We need more female representation in construction and sewage workers and mining business. Feminists not calling for gender equality in these industries?
*_Good observation Concerned Citizen! ---That just reminded me of a national broadcast radio talk show;_* *_the host is Rush Limbaugh. Have you heard of him? Anyway, he had mentioned some years ago, the same thing!_*
Concerned Citizen no actually men tody are lazy women are told to go do housework but sadly today women work hard di housework and biologically have more pain then men while men just work more often in the office and sgain men are seen as superior think one more time
What facts @@TooFarBeyond? Please present.. Please ensure that we're comparing apples to apples meaning the hourly rate of the woman employee is being paid less than their male counterpart.... Comparison male nurse who has x years experience and y qualifications is being paid more than a female nurse with the exact experience and qualifications at the same work conditions. If I was a business owner and the above is true then most likely I would hire only women as it makes economic sense.
@@joedartonthefenderbass he was saying that if the pay gap was real why wouldnt they do that, not that the pay gap is real and why arnt they doing that. Learn to read
I don't know whether to be happy that they got their facts straight, or sad that they felt they had to frame it all in language that sounds sympathetic to women. We need the push-back against feminist lies to be unapologetic.
But then they won't listen. We need to stop catering, placating, supplicating and overestimating their fucking feelings. The title is meant to draw them in; Then slap them with hard facts.
Jop thats their theory,if women stop doing "female jobs" men gotta do it,but what if men dont even want that? And who is gonna do all the phsyhically hard jobs with high death rates? Women? Sure. It all doesnt make sense 😐
And when it happens, completely switching the majority of people from their gender roles will be unsurprisingly unsuccessful, like trying to push a square peg into a round hole.
Yeah, I literally saw this video in an ad just to come back to find this video to say this exact point! What on earth does that even mean. Are they saying because men take up higher roles that they should instead step down to let women take them instead? That doesn't even make any sense. In a business, there is more incentive to maximize profit and therefore higher-skilled talent to fulfill those job roles. So if those men are getting those roles then logically speaking it makes sense. So asking men to step down from those roles just so women can have a chance to take on those roles just doesn't make any sense at all. A company is unlikely to debate over whether one gender will outperform the other. They will just choose who is more effective in the workplace...
@@catarina624 I guess youre missing a vital point... Men or Women dont have to do those jobs just because others dont want them... everyone chooses whatever they want to do, thats like a bsic thing of a democracy... freedom... not hard to get.
horsecrap. They say women are just as ambitious as men. Women lack the testosterone levels to have the kind of crazy, wild, mountain scaling ambition that men do. Most women i know expect the guy to do most of the work and I'm pretty sure its a solid pattern all across the globe. Also they dont mention other problems like women working less than men, women being physically unable to do some kinds of work and how the lack of testosterone makes your brain less suited for executve work. Oh just put a pr spin on the entire thing. "WAMEN ARENT GETTING EQUAL PAY CUZ THEY'RE TOO BUSY RAISING UP KIDS" oh right just shift it all to the motherhood and make men feel guilty. What kind of an imbecile would miss such obvious proopoganda
@@meghanachauhan9380 it's very common amongst feminist stans It's like they say, they're professional victims who constantly get gold medals at the oppression Olympics
@@meghanachauhan9380 like I do volleyball in my free time and even with a majority of female it’s always men who put like the fishnets and the heavy pole, they’re just looking and they’re also the first to leave when it’s the end of the game
Many women (and people in general) choose certain things because of societal pressures and demands, these ideas are fed to them at a young age based on existing examples, what they see on TV, what people tell them, etc. therefore many women "choose" these things because since adolescence they've been told that is what they should do, both directly and indirectly
it's based on expectations and standards for women. there's also (sub-conscious or conscious) bias based on stereotypes when it comes to employment. there needs to be government action that allows equal paternal and maternal leave benefits as well as a shift in societal attitude towards mothers. you're just being ignorant.
I work with women in the manufacturing/aerospace field and I'll tell you that there are few who actually work and are not afraid to get their hands dirty. Most women I've worked with in my field always complain about their hob but want equal pay when man do on average more than they do in a day.
Thank you The Economist, this takes a lot of guys to publish, this might receive a lot of blow back from all the reality denying leftist, but you did well.
phcmogh Fuck. Off. Calling everyone alt-right when you clearly have no idea what it means. The left are the groups of people (feminists, labour MPs, Democrats) who still believe that women are paid less based on sexism, that's what the left have to do with it.
False. She would say "that having a baby is a choice", and not a price women pay for motherhood. They are not held back, when it is a choice, they make that choice when they decided on the partner they would like to have a baby with. They could choose a career driven man, or a maternal stay at home man. No man can impose a baby on a woman, legally in the west, so saying they are held back would be false in my mind. If you disagree, please enlighten me.
Women are only "held back" if you consider power and money to be the ultimate goal. Thankfully, lots of people (to their credit, mostly women) are realizing the importance of family.
Agreed! These feminazis don't understand the concept of supply & demand! A company will pay X for the work. They don't care WHO does it, and they are NOT going to pay 2X are they! And only a lunatic would pay MORE for the work if a cheaper option was available! Also bear in mind women are far more likely to take sick days, and with the hatred towards men, schools prefer mothers to puck up their children (because vast majority of teachers also happen to be feminazis)! Education is trying to remove masculinity. And as we ALL know, the best teachers - well the most "respected" teachers were always male! Because they were taller, and with a deeper voice command more fear/respect! It's evolutionary, and one of the major reasons Trump won! NO ONE likes the sound of a screeching women - and men CANNOT screech!
Gloria Steinem was a paid stooge for big business and practiced division in order for there to be more single working women who would flood the labor force and reduce labor cost. Also single women would buy more consumer goods, like-houses, furniture, cars, work clothes, etc. Now the elites are worried about the declining birth rates, due to women choosing career over kids, so they are behind the overturning of Roe vs Wade.
This was all good until the last line. Most women aren't being 'held back' they are merely making choices that aren't primarily focused on money, which is absolutely fine.
I agree imo they don't focus on the higher paying jobs because they are usually relying on other forms of income such as a husband, child support, alimony, etc. If its a physically challenging non climate controlled environment you can basically count them out and when they do take any job they're usually last in and first to leave due to some never-ending issue with child care.
@@therealgrimreaper68 "Some are held back" Name these kidnap victims. "they are the ones expected to" Expected by whom? Why do they comply wunless they are mentally weak? If someone 'expected' me to do something I choose not to do I would tell that person to go jump in a lake. So it sounds like you're saying that women are not equal, they are actually weaker than men? You have to pick a lane here.
@@therealgrimreaper68 *Some are held back, they are the ones expected to do most of the childcare and household work even if they work the same hours as their husbands.* I don't think that holds true at all in many cases these days. Both men and women can work a job and then share the responsibility of raising kids and keeping the home running smoothly. Raising kids is no longer just women doing it now.
Women work less and have jobs that aren't as hard most of the time case closed if women want to be paid more they have to take on jobs that are harder to do.
Warrior Princess With Muscles okay I can tell you're sjw so let me make this simple if a woman was a firefighter, truck driver, underwater welder, fighter pilot, construction worker, tugboat captain or president of the United States would she really be paid less? I've never held a job where my female counterparts didn't have pay comprable or more than mine. If the girls want to play Lumberjack they have to lift their part of the log case closed #MGTOW #SYSBM
Patjersey3000 sorry but men are to lazy today did you know women who had all A's in school get the same job as men who had C's plus today women are told to go to the kitchen and do housework while they already do that they have jobs and also provide for the family thats why they dont have to submit to there husbands if they provide to also biologically women have more pain then men so women do 3 jobs while men only one plus they have more pain in pregnancy and periods so really men are lazy and they should submit to us not we to them
+Cory Sartin it's also illegal to take extra hours. and even if you have a good relationship with your boss and they allow you to take extra hours every now and then, they can't pay you. it's illegal. it's also illegal not to take breaks. maybe not in the west, but statistics from america say nothing about men in general. women also can't stay home with children even if they want to, if you don't count the first two years after the child's birth. the government won't just throw money at them because they're mothers. that's not an excuse. if they don't earn their own money, they'll be homeless
you stupid Hey dummy, grades are not the definitive factor of assessing intelligence. Females tend to obey school system far smoother than males, that's why they get higher grades in subjects that need no critical thinking and creativity. Memorize, memorize, memorize, don't need to analyze the fact just shove the information in my brain. That's how female students get high scores. But when tests get tougher and requires far more logic and application of information, female students panic while male students get pumped up with competitiveness. That's where the REAL difference kicks in. And that's why physics and mathematics are male dominant fields, because they need much more than just memorizing what you learned. You need critical thinking ability. And unfortunately these pathetic western school ststems never want students to make subjects more challenging. They only teach washed-down, incredibly easy informations that demands literally NO challenges. That's why you believe women are smarter and deserves the dominance. But, no, sorry kiddo, grades you get for obeying everything teachers say and sitting your ass off all fay to memorize the information to achieve high scores means jack shit.
Gender equality is already achieved! Both gender have equal opportunity to be what they want. If any gender is behind is based on their ability and choices!
"as more children choose non-traditional careers and men do more child care" - Be careful balancing equality vs the freedom to choose. I'd like it if we didn't force anyone into an unwanted position in the name of equality.
“Fewer working women will be held back” what does that even mean? Who’s holding them back? Video was spot on until you decided to go down the rabbit hole.
*_"Women are as ambitious as men. They earn the majority of university degrees."_* Break the data down further into the different TYPES of degree and you'll find that this statement doesn't quite hold true.
T w H I generally agree with this statement, but why does it seem that the man in the relationship always wants to continue their job while the woman goes on maternity leave and then on to be the primary caretaker for the child? Should men become more open to child-rearing? If not, does this mean women are not free to have ambitious careers in traditionally male-dominated fields/positions due to this major setback? I’m curious to hear your opinion on this.
Bill Donoso. The essiantaily question is (and feel free to disagree with this) that the main thing that drives people (in the west) is meaning and what gives meaning to our lives. It could be that experiencing the growth of a new human being inside you is so meaningful that ones value structure is fundimentaly reorientated, the pursuit of a high end carrier might loose its motivating factor. But nothing negative has happened. You hear Farthers talk about that same reorientation but in different ways.
Thanks for the response! If I'm getting this right, you're saying that the average woman gets more meaning from giving birth to a child after 9 1/2 months than the average man gets from that birth. Because of that, it is more likely for women to prefer the newfound meaning of caring for their young child than the pursuit of their career. I'm not entirely familiar with the statistics, but what if women who don't get the average amount of meaning from childbirth DO wish to re-enter the workforce and face lower wages, cut hours, etc? Is it a case where you just can't get the best of both worlds? I think that's where my main concern lies. From the last bit about fathers, I think I get what you mean. If they're not already, they have to mature and start working really hard and long hours to provide for their young family instead of hanging out with the guys all the time.
@@jesuschrist5494 Yeah, they should either be able to hunt game and pick enough berries for the winter or just die. Survival of the fittest, arrrrr! Let me get guess, you're either severely over or underweight and have neither social nor professional skills. Correct? 😀
Until caring roles and motherhood are valued equally to other vital jobs, there will be no equality. And until the vast amount of unpaid essential caring work is acknowledged and appropriately valued, the imbalance will continue. The enormous pressures and resulting illnesses and criss fostered by the current neglect of caring roles is costing us millions and stifling entrepeneurship.
@@themensroom02 We know that care work is predominantly done by women. And that this care work is unpaid. By why is it unpaid? and why aren't more men trying to do more of it. I mean, if we don't think it should be paid AND men don't want to do it...why would we think its work that has value? No money and no demand?
What a ridiculous diatribe of nonsensical gibberish. Caring roles and motherhood ARE valued and always have been. There is no patriarchal societal structure, women are as vital to everyday function as men and every man on this planet has always known this to be true.
It's strange that caring for children and people in general is valued so low. Perhaps we take certain skills for granted, compared to those that take a bit of training, like caring for a car.
In Sweden mothers, and also fathers, actually get paid - funded by taxes - to stay at home with their newborn children. One at the time and not for five years, but it is better than nothing. A mother should definitely be able to stay with her baby when she is breastfeeding, that is just common sense.
I have no children and I got rid of my lazy husband. People that care of children when working people are at work are still important to me. The help to shape the next generation.
In my previous job i was working with a woman,we had the exact same obligations but because she was a woman I was the only one to carry 25kg bags of sugar and flour every day and heavy objects in general,we were getting paid the same $/hour.This was totally unfair for me.Its simple women getting paid less because they chose less paid and easier jobs...
*_Good observation Tomasz Bara!_* *_I recall that same thought on a national radio talk show. The majors that women take are as you_* *_stated. And there not a lucrative career choice! ---But its what she wants. She needs to realize the pay plan._*
Why are psychology and sociology paid less? Is mental health not important? Isn't it useful to have a clue about the society you live in? Without psychology and sociology, this video wouldn't even exist.
I don't mean to offend anyone, but I think you're ignoring other details. Sometimes when men choose a job like teaching or nursing, people seem judge them for being too feminine. While promoting the military, police, construction, and being a mechanic(amongst other jobs) as being more masculine. That could be a reason more men are in those positions.
I don't know whether to be happy that they got their facts straight, or sad that they felt they had to frame it all in language that sounds sympathetic to women. We need the push-back against feminist lies to be unapologetic.
When I applied for a management position at the company I work for, the bosses doing the hiring asked my fellow coworkers which of 'us' they would prefer to get the management position. By 'us', I mean, they asked about all the male applicants and none of the female applicants. None of my coworkers were even aware that I had actually applied. I had told them, but they had assumed that I meant I was planning to apply, but never did, as my name was not listed as an applicant. Afterwards, I spoke to my coworker who had been given the management position. He was shocked that my hourly pay was less than the state's max threshold for overtime pay. Even though he had 2 years less experience in the job, he had been paid above that threshold. After 5 raises, I am still making $1.75 per hour less than that threshold. This is against labor laws that are meant to guarantee pay parity for men and women working the same job with the same experience. There is a loophole to that law, though, as proof of violating the law needs to be shown on the company's pay records, and the company chose to 'not keep any records of that sort of information'. There is a pay gap, and it's not that women simply choose to be paid less. It's that many company's in the US have chosen to not record key pay information, the legal system relies on letting companies self-regulate and self-report violations of labor law (like allowing a child to rat themselves out if they have their hand in the cookie jar - kids aren't going to get themselves in trouble by ratting themselves out and neither are companies), and chalking it all up to women having babies or being overly emotional or just plain lying, even though that's not the case. I really do miss the military's payscale. Paygrade (basically, rank), time in service (basically, experience), allowances (annual set pay for purchasing new uniforms), and special pay (hazard pay for deployment to combat zones, etc.) were factored in; gender was not. Women with the same rank, time in service, and who were in the same situation (both located in a combat zone or both assigned to the same duty station, etc.) were paid the same amount that men were. It's not hard to set up a system like that civilian-side, but until it becomes mandatory for companies to track and report pay records or it becomes possible to admit worker's pay stubs as evidence of pay disparity when any group reports a company for labor law violations. As far as the MGTOW/men's rights denial that the pay gap exists when women demand fair and equal pay for equal work in the same job with the same experience, I find it odd that so many of them are upset about women in porn getting paid more than men. Honestly, using a pay system like the military pay system would fix that, too, yet the MGTOWs, men's rights advocates, top company executives, and shareholders who fight against admitting a pay gap exists in any other job have been against implementing any such system.
So whats stopping you from a lawsuit? I would imagine the amount of attorneys who would take this case for free would be vast. Or perhaps the people who make more than you do a better job? Or produce more/ higher work output? People sue regularly for discrimination, you could win a large amount of money.
Or much more likely to be convicted and be sentenced longer vs a women for the same crime. There are literally instances where men and women have been charged with theft and the woman is let off with a slap on the wrist and a man gets significant prison time. It's pretty diabolical - but feminists won't fight it or even call attention to it.
The gender pay gap is only real when the statistics take into account the gender, however those statistics don’t take into account the job,the time worked,how long you have been in the job or the experience of the profession. Woman and men are earning approximately an equal amount when you take into account the same jobs and time worked. Some people say even when those statistics are only taking the gender into account it’s because woman aren’t accepted into higher paying jobs,that is absolute bull, men and woman have equal opportunities, but there will never be an equal outcome,not because of sexism,because of the natural choices each sex makes. So in conclusion woman are pretty much equal to men in western culture.
@@ingeliuri13 Women, due to their nature, tend to work more nursing and empathy-related jobs, which are also less paid, like teachers, social workers etc. Men, due to their nature (more ambitious, stronger etc) chose higher-paid jobs, which are either more risky (policeman, firefighter), or have more possibility for climbing up in the hierarchy.
"So in conclusion woman are pretty much equal to men in western culture." This is where it gets reeeeeaalllll feckin dark - because it really isn't. The pay gap was nothing more than a massive red herring to distract from much bigger problems still plaguing the western world. Look up male vs female conviction and sentencing statistics for the same crimes and you realise that gender equality is not even close to where we are - because it's significantly biased towards positive outcomes for women even when they don't have children. When they do have children it gets even more biased towards women again. (admittedly I don't have statistics for male judges sentencing women and vice versa to compare to male judges sentencing men and female judges sentencing women) Not to mention that in many western nations the military draft was merely discontinued, not truly abolished in law - and guess what? Men are still the only gender on it for the most part (Israel is the only example I can think of with women called to duty, but not really the west). No surprise we don't see/hear feminists making an issue out of these points.
Factories also pay men more for working at evening and night. That's another reason why men who may not be educated out earn wormen. Idk, just my thoughts.
The conundrum here is that women wouldn't want to marry a guy less successful than herself. Once this changes, (But never will on a scale that would matter) fewer working women will stop holding THEMSELVES back.
Agreed. The fact that there exist men willing to bankroll a woman's lifestyle (and that the reverse seldom occurs) is a big contributing factor to their earning's disparity.
Holding themselves back/ If they had the wit or ability to succeed at the top jobs they wuld ALREADY be there! Let's look how INCOMPETENT women are - google - is going to drown itself in sexism lawsuits, is DELIBERATELY avoiding hiring the top men simply for diversity quotas! Kathleen Kennedy - RUINED a franchise that could literally print money! You tube boss - DELIBERATELY fucking content creators she doesn't agree with! COMICS - they've lost 30-40% readers in 4 years to cater for women entering the industry #comicsgate! EVERYTHING feminazis touch - turn to shit!
*_Ironically, if a man saw a gorgeous woman, whom would not be in his league; but he'd like to get to know her..._* *_They just happen to be in a famous city marathon run. And finds out she's a customer service (Mgr) one year_* _* later, possibly, marriage is proposed by him to her. But she's NOT a Fortune 500 EX-O like he is?!!*_ *_Is that "equality"?! Or something beyond and Better?!_*
"When an american woman goes back to work, her salary is on average lower than it would have been if she hadn't had a child." And....? Are you implying that if a man took the same time off of work to care for a child, that his salary would NOT be lower? THAT would be sexism. But the fact is: both women and men who take time off of work to raise children, help an ill family member, or care for aging parents will experience negative consequences (in the form of lowered wages, fewer advancement opportunities etc.) in the workplace.
This was a way more balance view of the Paygap than any other mainstream media. Explaining both causes and remedies. Its a pity it wasnt even more in depth.
"As more children choose non-traditional careers and men do more child care" Regarding the former, that would be optimal IF they indeed wanted non-traditional careers. The data suggests otherwise Regarding the latter, that would be fair if men got the same paid leave as women do for the same amount of child care. Something tells me certain businesses would collapse under having to support that many paid leaves, without men staying behind to take care of the unfinished work
The gender wage gap exists outside of dangerous jobs, so the "death gap" doesn't explain it. It's definitely an issue worth talking about, though - like inflation, the housing crisis, the war in Ukraine, etc. Just a different topic.
A few years ago an Male Actor was paid quite a lot more for his performance than his co-star female counterpart and the reason apparently was because the male actor apparently asked for more money. I am male but there are all sorts of rumors circulated by someone that I don't want money, did not go to college to earn more money, accusations that I have radical political views and I have even been told people think I want to be a woman. Basically my income has been a lot lower than most males or females because people are accusing me essentially of being weird despite the fact that I majored in Economics which is a relatively high paying, management field. There are a lot of issues such as religion and preferences for High School and College study that separate men from women but I have the sense that women often ask for less money or believe they will not earn as much as males so they expect less. I know in my own case the income/money gap has been horrible my entire life and being accused of wanting to be or become a woman... well, how many friends does anyone believe I have?
They're not. The gender wage gap is a myth. The difference in pay has to do with a number of factors such as men are willing to work longer hours, more willing to relocate, take less sick leave. Women have ambitions such as having a child that requires them to take time off.
In Australia this mythical gap is 14% yet the average full time working man works 10% longer. So the "gap" is 4%, NOT accounting for different jobs. If women want to get paid more, maybe they should stop working in air-conditioned offices and do hard physical labour which may pays 4% more.
@@johncrow5552 the gender wage gap is manufactured lie. There are very specific reasons for the difference in overall salary. Men are more likely to relocate, to work longer hours and take a job below the targeted career then work their way up. Men do not take maternity leave or choose family life over occupation. For men, providing for the family is their top concern.
The question the needs to be asked is why are industries which are female dominated paid less than industries that are male dominated? Why have we decided this as a society? Why have we decided that caring roles are less important? Also why have we decided that children are women's responsibility primarily and that women must sacrifice their careers? Why don't men parent equally?
It doesn’t happen in the US because it’s against the law. Name one company, business, etc. that pays a male more than a female working the same position. It just doesn’t happen or that business would get blasted in the news.
so the solution is 'it was shit sure but now it's not bad, if a little annoying but sure it'll work itself out' Now that's a movement we can all support!
The Economist is hardly some partisan right-wing mouthpiece for the patriarchy, and yet even it acknowledges the reality about the so-called gender pay gap. At the end of the video of course it makes some rather unreasonable suggestions as to how to solve this non-existent problem, but I at least give them credit for being honest rather than towing the feminist line.
*So... by your irksome thought of "partisan right-wing mouthpiece"... Your either a Hilary-ite?! Or your a* *Bernie Sander-ian, left-wing mouthpiece?! B **_Ha ha ha!_*
This is basicaly the most accurate comment made by anyone who's "progressive" about the gender wage pay gap ! I wish I found more of stuff like this in my life.
When I was working in a restaurant, women constantly had us guys get on the 12 foot ladder to grab heavy boxes from shelves. Which I never cared about it until my co worker split his knee open because the women there and any other restaurant I’ve worked at always had the men do those things. He was out for a month. Yes men deserve more
I feel for your friend, but if being asked to climb up a ladder because of your gender drives you mad, try being sexually harrassed, getting paid less for the same work, fired for having kids, or never getting promoted. I think most women would prefer climbing up a f***ing ladder, splitting their knee and being out for a month, tbh.
Can't be doing with women saying they should be paid same as men. Yet women don't work in construction,mining,window cleaning,window fitting,sewage works,builder,joiner, untill it's equal with jobs shared between both genders
Women and especially mothers are not held back! They are free in making decisions. The most times it’s the women’s choice! My sister in law stay at home even without kids, she just hated her job. And that I see with more of my female friends!
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe the men in your life would also enjoy working less, but they don't because they feel like it's their duty as men to provide for women and they're scared of being regarded as weak, inferior men if they don't? Also: most women do not have the choice to stay home. It takes a lot of money and risk, and most men cannot afford to be the sole breadwinner. And a woman will be more likely to stay at home if her husband feels threatened by her having a career.
@@evacookie913 The men I know want to stop work don’t care about seen inferior it’s only about what life somebody can and will and can afford. My reason to want to stop work is that the bureaucracy getting crazy. I know many couples with kids where both want to stay home and who ever makes more money has to work.
Burdened with family care, hidden bias and societal norms are some of the reasons why women are paid less than men. Safe workplaces, provision of paternal leaves and structural obstacles need to be removed for the pay parity to be restored but the studies say it would take 257 years to realise it.
Not working in the most dangerous, dirtiest and hardest jobs on the planet is also why women get paid less than men. Without men doing those jobs modern, civilized society could not be built and maintained. Women ALWAYS want the jobs that pay the best and gives them the most prestige and power and they rarely if ever want the jobs that are the most toughest and backbreaking that are required to keep society running that may pay very well, but have little to no prestige or fame.
@@ingeliuri13 you are dumb, and you should feel bad. Feminists push this narrative all the time and it is clearly wrong. Do you really think that toy companies try and socially engineer children or they adapting to what they can sell? They sell whatever they can to whoever will buy it. They wont take a loss and not try and sell cars to girls.
@@ingeliuri13 Girls toys: doctor Barbie, biologist Barbie, lawyer Barbie, scientist Barbie, president Barbie. Boys toys: Zombie killer space soliders, monster truck vampires and dino-ghosts busters I can't see the kids getting into those jobs.
@@ingeliuri13 i dunno i moslty got what i asked for. Never a football ball (i dunno, thats what its called?) or a solider figure, simply because i didn't liked that stuff.
'Held back', as if what you earn in a year is representative as your value as a human being. You should be able to support yourself, anything beyond that depends entirely on what you value most in life.
People need to remember that having the same job doesn't mean it's the same work. For example my brother has the same job as his work mate yet does more work, more hours and so on so it's only right he earns more. Companies would only employ women if they are truly paid less for the same "WORK"
Some may argue that women are naturally attracted to jobs like nurses, teachers etc due to a difference in brain makeup, often women, and this is a broad stereotype, are more attracted teaching jobs because it is a safe and enjoyable profession whereas men are more impulsive and prefer high risk or exciting jobs (stockbroker, business exec) where many things can go wrong, this is also why you see more men with gambling addictions. There is a difference in the genetic makeup of men and women and although this is changing the women who want the same jobs have slightly different brain functions and think all women want the same as them. Obviously, some men don't trust women to work in an important position inside their business due to how society has programmed us to view women but many women are happy with the job they do but they just want a higher pay for it. The problem is not just with men!
Men do not take maternity leave. Men do not call in sick during their period. Men do not call in sick when their boyfriend breaks up wit them. Men don't go home crying when "someone said something mean."
If women choose to enter into low paying jobs or raise children, who is it exactly that is "holding them back". Should we encourage people to CHOOSE differently against their will?
"Will be held back" as if to say a woman's biological maternal preference compared to a man, causing more women on average than men to choose spending more time at home with children, is a burden. Nonsense.
This is a British video and therefore British salaries. To understand the difference between the USA and UK for these two jobs is simple. In the UK. Both jobs are funded by tax payers (public sector). Whereas in the USA the health sector is private and profit run therefore higher salaries for nurses and the police officers are (mostly) funded by tax payers. Nurses are pretty well paid though in the UK with most nurses able to earn £28k (current exchange rate $40k) per year and higher with promotion to Sister grades. Base level Police Officers earn £40k ($56k) after about 15yrs service.
This is a bit off topic but I always found it Bull shitt when I work in different labourers jobs and women been given the light easy tasks and getting paid the same. For example I worked a few years in banana farms doing very hard work in the field carrying banana bunches from the tree to the trailer 90 kg banana bunches all day. Then getting to the shed and lifting them up onto the chains to hang them then de-hand each Bunch which was quite physical as well. Now I never met a woman in the 6 years, working on all different banana farms, a single woman doing these physical jobs. They get guven the easiest jobs , at most lift 2 kilos, work slower, complain more, scream about insects and get paid the fucking same.
Give more men child custody and child support. Pay for them just as women are paid for. Don't simply take away their jobs and call it equality. As it is, you just want the cake and eat it.
Sorry, but it hasn't anything to do with what I said, and you propose a bad idea, too. I know that it is much more difficult to work as, or even become, a lawyer than a teacher. But to return to the actual topic: you cannot achieve equality if the only thing you feminists do is to demand more rights, more privileges, and do not concern about the ones you already have.
@ms wpwm You said everyone should be paid equally. That's not possible. If everyone was paid equally, no one would work high stress, high specialization, more complex, high risk jobs. Everyone would prefer be a cashier. That's not sustainable. Sorry, but average teachers is just not as important as average doctor. We need to reward high performing people more than low performing ones to sustain civilization
@ms wpwm 1. Obviously, some people will pursue jobs only due to interests, but not in numbers required to meet the needs and wants of human civilization. There's a reason money was created. 2. With introduction of patents, scientific discovery grew exponentially. That's because scientists and inventors were finally getting paid more for their jobs. If we pay good scientists more we will get much better results than we currently get. 3. Lawyers earn little if they don't graduate from top law schools. Not so in case of doctors. That's why many people study medicine instead of law. 4. I never said teachers were unimportant. They are important, but less than doctors. Teaching is much easier and stress free than being a doctor. 5. Altruistic motivational indeed works as you gave examples, but profit motive works much better.
I swear whenever a woman talks about their life and experiences men will lose their minds. Like are women not allowed to express their feelings/ tell their stories?
There is a positive side to all this: With more than 7 billion of us on the planet, it might actually be a good thing to discourage people from having more children.
problem is that people in countries like Iceland, Switzerland and Denmark are being told to have fewer children while people in africa, muslim countries and latin america are encouraged to have more.
why does no one ever talk about men being paid less when you compaire the under 30s? if women stopped having children then they would out earn men. women get more degrees, why isn't there an outcry on the degree gap?
the reason for women being paid less after returning to their job with a child is due to the company not being able to definitively know whether the woman will move on or continue
Also because the women make less time for the job once they have children. Men with children make more time for work on average vs women and that gives them higher credo in the eyes of employers when asking for a raise/promotion. The video says that women are asking for a raise/promotion as much as men now - it doesn't say if they are getting it as much, I'd say no.
Women have a choice, career or family. It's extremely difficult to have both. If you do have both, the family will hinder your career advancement because of the time off.
How do you explain childless women who are in exactly same position as their male counterparts, have slightly more experience and slightly more responsibility, equal education, equal age, work equal hours but still earn less? Are they not demanding enough? Just thinking, because i know quite a few and would like to know why that is.
Well, yes. They are either not demanding enough, or they are not as talented as they think. Sure, there is a chance there is promotion bias - but that card gets played so often, its difficult to accept.
In the West, women generally chose the job they want. Nobody is stopping them from studying engineering. Companies are so keen to be diverse they hire every female engineer who applies and quickly promote them to management positions. But, many women simply don’t want these jobs. The proposed solution is to reverse the gender roles and make men responsible for child care. Many women don’t want that either. All current solutions are doomed to fail.
If "equality" mean the outcome/ benefit had to the same.. then how bout all of the advantages female had? They are most likely not be given the riskier work even in the same job like police or army.. they dont have the social pressure to be superior (income, size, position, etc) to get sex n companionship.. n the list goes on n on.. the reason why so many man had to work so damn hard.. is because once man were falling behind economically, their spouse would lose respect n possibilities of divorce is significantly higher.. n when getting divorce, man are essentially enslave by the goverment. Lots of man dont care if the wife dont want to work, but most woman not happy having man that earn less than them.. Sure there is always be exception.. so dont tell me not everyone is like that, or you n your friend is not like that.. please... Balance of power between man n woman is always assymetrical, if you force it to balance only by one side, the other would suffer..
Homo Quantum Sapiens there is "inequality" on bothside n that make assymetrical equality. The analogy is just like two different branches of goverment, neither one is equally powerfull at one side. if we focuses our attention to make one equal with other in one specifict measurement. then it become unequal. Can congress said they are less than executive branch? Same with woman n man, all this focuses on woman earning less. failed to see the other kind of measurement like who controlled family spending or how much social pressure for man to provide..
see.. you dont have any logical coherent argument, so you rely on shaming tactic.. too bad, i am not insecure man to fall for such. hahaha... you JUST shame men, in fact that is your only respond. so did man get shamed for everything? yes.. i am not saying the word "discrimination", i am saying unequal outcome or in your terminology "inequality". i dont actually believe inequality should be judge by outcome. but hey, whatever that make you understand my point right. like i said, the balance is asymmetrical, by only focusing one side a million time, the balance would be tilt. and it already are.. woman everywhere is unhappy, my best friend just got divorce with her husband and among my 30`s years old peers, nearly 1/4 of them is in the mess.. men or woman.. that is my concern, i am fortunate to understand realities n how to deal with it. lots of people are not.
few years ago, i had a young consumer that is attracted to me, but i dont attracted to her.. so, i asked her, why she dont try to date the dude that trying to court her, then she tell me everything bout her life n her complain about men that trying to court her. i am kinda sad, that dude is really love her. but she felt like he cant provide enough for her. its really ironic right.. lots of young woman in their 20`s that make more money than man, still dont want to be with man that earn less. so what happen? lots of dude, work really2 hard.. i am owner of few small enterprise, n i gave extra love to employee that willing to gave extra effort.. plus in latter age, like in 30`s man voice get much rounder n bass.. the naturally had advantages in leadership. cus they had easier time to complain n lead without causing less discomfort, than comparatively less masculine man or woman, with higher pitch voice.
hahaha... i never once shame you in this whole debate, but that is the only thing you can respond to me.. that show the difference in intelligent between us (and yes, this time i counter back). XD who i am is irrelevant to the argument. but if you were so damn curious.. then let me assured you, i had no problem with woman. i love them n they love me.. infact i often treat woman better than i treat men.. the only thing, they hated me for, is exposing the truth.. people like you are the norm in my life, they also dont like my word, until i prove how accurate i can be in predicting their gf/wife reaction, reasoning n future choices. how about you try to answer my argument point by point using logic n fact instead of acting mad n resorting to shaming all the time.. do you even understand what is "asymmetrical balance" at all?
do you know why overseas chinese/indian/jews/javanese/etc are much more richer than their peers in their own origin country? cus they got discriminated in many ways.. so they band up together, work harder, study harder to even the playing field.. when they get so much richer, the majority would then felt economy inequality.. how come a small portion of those minority had so much more money than the majority? then gave rise to either racist bigot like Hitler.. that only willing to focus on one side with constant propaganda, disregarding all other relevant information. and your pattern of argument is the similar, you just replace racism with sexism.. but with equally dishonest n narrow minded focus..
I laugh when i see such stuff. Most of these analysts Tend To Exclude Nature from the picture in the bid to sound politically Correct, Naturally Men are drawn to more intense work, even Riskier work, And the Economy Does Not See Gender It Sees results.....
Here’s something most men would say. I’d rather never have kids, vs spending the next 18 years as a stay at home dad. Every man can also say, “I’d love a leave from work that’s paid because I just had a baby, then that man would be called a pansie”
Maybe taking care of their own child should not be seen as "being held back". Maybe taking care of their own baby is more fulfilling and gratifying than a mid management job in a big corporation. The eEconomist and many journalists present these careers as the only decent way to live their life. It's not.
I have been working all my life in a factory. Both with men and women. Men do the hardest jobs: standing, lifting, walking, assembling. Women get the lightest jobs: sewing and paperwork. The same factory, the same money, but sorry: as a man I don't get the pleasure of sitting all day on my ass.
Yes there's a supermarket in the UK (Tesco) and the women bitched about not getting the same money as the warehousemen. Yet funny enough they don't bitch about only having to work in the nice warm / dry indoors or not having to lift heavy crates. Must be hard for a woman realising they can EASILY be replaced by a sex doll!
Salamander it's possible that we all have the same freedom's and that of you're not happy with the decisions you make then only you can change that. If women are driven to live in certain ways, who is stopping them?
I thought equal paternity/maternity leave would go some way to solving this. Employers can't discriminate if they know both men and women will potentially take the same amount of leave after dropping a baby.
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I thought this is gonna be another feminist propaganda
it has a hint of feminist propaganda
It is feminist, but it isn't propaganda.
Mee too
same
Succ It is... Ever heard of the Equal pay act???
We need more female representation in construction and sewage workers and mining business. Feminists not calling for gender equality in these industries?
Ah you forget women want the money and the power NOT the effort or responsibility!
Feminists don't care about facts and never will. We need to fight them or they won't go away.
*_Good observation Concerned Citizen! ---That just reminded me of a national broadcast radio talk show;_*
*_the host is Rush Limbaugh. Have you heard of him? Anyway, he had mentioned some years ago, the same thing!_*
DonnyV Modus_Operandi your font is the only thing I care about
Concerned Citizen no actually men tody are lazy women are told to go do housework but sadly today women work hard di housework and biologically have more pain then men while men just work more often in the office and sgain men are seen as superior think one more time
If women were being paid less than men, why haven't companies employed only women as it would have made more bottom line profit for them.
If you actually watched the video you would know for the same job they're paid the same it's just the jobs are different
@sonycans FACTS
What facts @@TooFarBeyond? Please present..
Please ensure that we're comparing apples to apples meaning the hourly rate of the woman employee is being paid less than their male counterpart....
Comparison male nurse who has x years experience and y qualifications is being paid more than a female nurse with the exact experience and qualifications at the same work conditions.
If I was a business owner and the above is true then most likely I would hire only women as it makes economic sense.
@@joedartonthefenderbass im pretty sure they know but they are responding to the feminists who do say there is a pay gap
@@joedartonthefenderbass he was saying that if the pay gap was real why wouldnt they do that, not that the pay gap is real and why arnt they doing that. Learn to read
The title seems bit misleading. Even though you got the right info. Odd.
Viktor Helander it’s almost like they’re trying to educate those who spout misleading, intellectually dishonest statistics
Seems pretty neutrally phrased to me.
Gordon, it's classic bait and switch of the stupid. It's for the greater good.
I don't know whether to be happy that they got their facts straight, or sad that they felt they had to frame it all in language that sounds sympathetic to women. We need the push-back against feminist lies to be unapologetic.
But then they won't listen. We need to stop catering, placating, supplicating and overestimating their fucking feelings. The title is meant to draw them in; Then slap them with hard facts.
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I don't get this. You're saying men should go into lower earning jobs so women can take the top spots for gender equality????
Kinda 😄
Jop thats their theory,if women stop doing "female jobs" men gotta do it,but what if men dont even want that? And who is gonna do all the phsyhically hard jobs with high death rates? Women? Sure. It all doesnt make sense 😐
And when it happens, completely switching the majority of people from their gender roles will be unsurprisingly unsuccessful, like trying to push a square peg into a round hole.
Yeah, I literally saw this video in an ad just to come back to find this video to say this exact point! What on earth does that even mean. Are they saying because men take up higher roles that they should instead step down to let women take them instead? That doesn't even make any sense. In a business, there is more incentive to maximize profit and therefore higher-skilled talent to fulfill those job roles. So if those men are getting those roles then logically speaking it makes sense. So asking men to step down from those roles just so women can have a chance to take on those roles just doesn't make any sense at all. A company is unlikely to debate over whether one gender will outperform the other. They will just choose who is more effective in the workplace...
@@catarina624 I guess youre missing a vital point... Men or Women dont have to do those jobs just because others dont want them... everyone chooses whatever they want to do, thats like a bsic thing of a democracy... freedom... not hard to get.
Boy, that darn biology getting in the way of my ideologically driven utopia!
horsecrap. They say women are just as ambitious as men. Women lack the testosterone levels to have the kind of crazy, wild, mountain scaling ambition that men do. Most women i know expect the guy to do most of the work and I'm pretty sure its a solid pattern all across the globe. Also they dont mention other problems like women working less than men, women being physically unable to do some kinds of work and how the lack of testosterone makes your brain less suited for executve work. Oh just put a pr spin on the entire thing. "WAMEN ARENT GETTING EQUAL PAY CUZ THEY'RE TOO BUSY RAISING UP KIDS" oh right just shift it all to the motherhood and make men feel guilty. What kind of an imbecile would miss such obvious proopoganda
@@meghanachauhan9380 it's very common amongst feminist stans
It's like they say, they're professional victims who constantly get gold medals at the oppression Olympics
al dajjal shah-e-dunya Is it weird that I want to see a toxic feminist trying to tell you that you are wrong?
@@meghanachauhan9380 like I do volleyball in my free time and even with a majority of female it’s always men who put like the fishnets and the heavy pole, they’re just looking and they’re also the first to leave when it’s the end of the game
This video: “Women choose women choose women choose”
Also this video: “women are held back”
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By themselves duh!
They are brainwash by the EVIL SEXIST PATRIARCHY to not work as hard as men
There is a thing known as society idiot
Many women (and people in general) choose certain things because of societal pressures and demands, these ideas are fed to them at a young age based on existing examples, what they see on TV, what people tell them, etc. therefore many women "choose" these things because since adolescence they've been told that is what they should do, both directly and indirectly
it's based on expectations and standards for women. there's also (sub-conscious or conscious) bias based on stereotypes when it comes to employment. there needs to be government action that allows equal paternal and maternal leave benefits as well as a shift in societal attitude towards mothers. you're just being ignorant.
I work with women in the manufacturing/aerospace field and I'll tell you that there are few who actually work and are not afraid to get their hands dirty. Most women I've worked with in my field always complain about their hob but want equal pay when man do on average more than they do in a day.
Thank you The Economist, this takes a lot of guys to publish, this might receive a lot of blow back from all the reality denying leftist, but you did well.
Wah wah only I can be right, everyone else are loonies.
What do you mean? All those points that were said in the video leftists agree, me included.
IndianaJones 99 what's it got to do with the left. reign in your alt right mindset
phcmogh Fuck. Off. Calling everyone alt-right when you clearly have no idea what it means. The left are the groups of people (feminists, labour MPs, Democrats) who still believe that women are paid less based on sexism, that's what the left have to do with it.
Reality denying leftist. Haha u got that right
We need to call Shoe0nHead to press that damn button again
Evilsamar This video basically confirms what she would say.
Evilsamar this is the content of her button
False. She would say "that having a baby is a choice", and not a price women pay for motherhood.
They are not held back, when it is a choice, they make that choice when they decided on the partner they would like to have a baby with. They could choose a career driven man, or a maternal stay at home man.
No man can impose a baby on a woman, legally in the west, so saying they are held back would be false in my mind. If you disagree, please enlighten me.
Chew0nHead does NOT know what she is talking about. See my video called The Adjusted Gender Wage Gap
De wey
Women are only "held back" if you consider power and money to be the ultimate goal. Thankfully, lots of people (to their credit, mostly women) are realizing the importance of family.
well said, thomas
Homo Quantum Sapiens The only insecure person in this thread is you
If you dig deep enough you'll find the entire social justice movement is absolutely OBSESSED with power and money...
Agreed! These feminazis don't understand the concept of supply & demand! A company will pay X for the work. They don't care WHO does it, and they are NOT going to pay 2X are they! And only a lunatic would pay MORE for the work if a cheaper option was available!
Also bear in mind women are far more likely to take sick days, and with the hatred towards men, schools prefer mothers to puck up their children (because vast majority of teachers also happen to be feminazis)!
Education is trying to remove masculinity. And as we ALL know, the best teachers - well the most "respected" teachers were always male! Because they were taller, and with a deeper voice command more fear/respect! It's evolutionary, and one of the major reasons Trump won! NO ONE likes the sound of a screeching women - and men CANNOT screech!
Seems like the answer is no. Fairly random question though.
Are you a kangaroo?
“Gender equality” is a very fuzzy term and used to divide
Yes.
Gloria Steinem was a paid stooge for big business and practiced division in order for there to be more single working women who would flood the labor force and reduce labor cost. Also single women would buy more consumer goods, like-houses, furniture, cars, work clothes, etc.
Now the elites are worried about the declining birth rates, due to women choosing career over kids, so they are behind the overturning of Roe vs Wade.
This was all good until the last line. Most women aren't being 'held back' they are merely making choices that aren't primarily focused on money, which is absolutely fine.
I agree imo they don't focus on the higher paying jobs because they are usually relying on other forms of income such as a husband, child support, alimony, etc. If its a physically challenging non climate controlled environment you can basically count them out and when they do take any job they're usually last in and first to leave due to some never-ending issue with child care.
Some are held back, they are the ones expected to do most of the childcare and household work even if they work the same hours as their husbands.
@@therealgrimreaper68 "Some are held back"
Name these kidnap victims.
"they are the ones expected to"
Expected by whom? Why do they comply wunless they are mentally weak? If someone 'expected' me to do something I choose not to do I would tell that person to go jump in a lake. So it sounds like you're saying that women are not equal, they are actually weaker than men?
You have to pick a lane here.
@@therealgrimreaper68
*Some are held back, they are the ones expected to do most of the childcare and household work even if they work the same hours as their husbands.*
I don't think that holds true at all in many cases these days. Both men and women can work a job and then share the responsibility of raising kids and keeping the home running smoothly. Raising kids is no longer just women doing it now.
@@UzumakiNaruto_ it's not the case for everyone which is why I said 'some'
Women work less and have jobs that aren't as hard most of the time case closed if women want to be paid more they have to take on jobs that are harder to do.
Warrior Princess With Muscles okay I can tell you're sjw so let me make this simple if a woman was a firefighter, truck driver, underwater welder, fighter pilot, construction worker, tugboat captain or president of the United States would she really be paid less? I've never held a job where my female counterparts didn't have pay comprable or more than mine. If the girls want to play Lumberjack they have to lift their part of the log case closed #MGTOW #SYSBM
Patjersey3000 sorry but men are to lazy today did you know women who had all A's in school get the same job as men who had C's plus today women are told to go to the kitchen and do housework while they already do that they have jobs and also provide for the family thats why they dont have to submit to there husbands if they provide to also biologically women have more pain then men so women do 3 jobs while men only one plus they have more pain in pregnancy and periods so really men are lazy and they should submit to us not we to them
+Cory Sartin it's also illegal to take extra hours. and even if you have a good relationship with your boss and they allow you to take extra hours every now and then, they can't pay you. it's illegal. it's also illegal not to take breaks. maybe not in the west, but statistics from america say nothing about men in general. women also can't stay home with children even if they want to, if you don't count the first two years after the child's birth. the government won't just throw money at them because they're mothers. that's not an excuse. if they don't earn their own money, they'll be homeless
you stupid Hey dummy, grades are not the definitive factor of assessing intelligence. Females tend to obey school system far smoother than males, that's why they get higher grades in subjects that need no critical thinking and creativity. Memorize, memorize, memorize, don't need to analyze the fact just shove the information in my brain. That's how female students get high scores. But when tests get tougher and requires far more logic and application of information, female students panic while male students get pumped up with competitiveness. That's where the REAL difference kicks in. And that's why physics and mathematics are male dominant fields, because they need much more than just memorizing what you learned. You need critical thinking ability. And unfortunately these pathetic western school ststems never want students to make subjects more challenging. They only teach washed-down, incredibly easy informations that demands literally NO challenges. That's why you believe women are smarter and deserves the dominance. But, no, sorry kiddo, grades you get for obeying everything teachers say and sitting your ass off all fay to memorize the information to achieve high scores means jack shit.
most women dont have time for work bc most men make them clean or take care of the children.
Gender equality is already achieved! Both gender have equal opportunity to be what they want. If any gender is behind is based on their ability and choices!
100%
"as more children choose non-traditional careers and men do more child care" - Be careful balancing equality vs the freedom to choose. I'd like it if we didn't force anyone into an unwanted position in the name of equality.
doesn't mean every woman out there CHOOSES to do the work of raising a child!
Nobody's forcing anyone to do anything.
“Fewer working women will be held back” what does that even mean? Who’s holding them back? Video was spot on until you decided to go down the rabbit hole.
*_"Women are as ambitious as men. They earn the majority of university degrees."_*
Break the data down further into the different TYPES of degree and you'll find that this statement doesn't quite hold true.
Yah exactly.
Gender studies vs engineering degree.
Which could possibly pay out better? 😂😂😂
Or why the overwhelming majority of companies are opened by men. They didn't think for a second before making this statement
True! It doesn’t matter how many degrees you get if the actual degree is usless like a Gender Studies degree.
If companies could get away with paying women less, they would just employ more women.
What's wrong with financial imbalance if you can trace it back to people making free choices?
T w H I generally agree with this statement, but why does it seem that the man in the relationship always wants to continue their job while the woman goes on maternity leave and then on to be the primary caretaker for the child? Should men become more open to child-rearing? If not, does this mean women are not free to have ambitious careers in traditionally male-dominated fields/positions due to this major setback? I’m curious to hear your opinion on this.
Bill Donoso. The essiantaily question is (and feel free to disagree with this) that the main thing that drives people (in the west) is meaning and what gives meaning to our lives.
It could be that experiencing the growth of a new human being inside you is so meaningful that ones value structure is fundimentaly reorientated, the pursuit of a high end carrier might loose its motivating factor. But nothing negative has happened.
You hear Farthers talk about that same reorientation but in different ways.
Thanks for the response! If I'm getting this right, you're saying that the average woman gets more meaning from giving birth to a child after 9 1/2 months than the average man gets from that birth. Because of that, it is more likely for women to prefer the newfound meaning of caring for their young child than the pursuit of their career.
I'm not entirely familiar with the statistics, but what if women who don't get the average amount of meaning from childbirth DO wish to re-enter the workforce and face lower wages, cut hours, etc? Is it a case where you just can't get the best of both worlds? I think that's where my main concern lies.
From the last bit about fathers, I think I get what you mean. If they're not already, they have to mature and start working really hard and long hours to provide for their young family instead of hanging out with the guys all the time.
+DonnyV Modus_Operandi i can't believe women are allowed to stay at home in america and get paid by the government if they have children as an excuse
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Yeah, they should either be able to hunt game and pick enough berries for the winter or just die.
Survival of the fittest, arrrrr!
Let me get guess, you're either severely over or underweight and have neither social nor professional skills.
Correct? 😀
Until caring roles and motherhood are valued equally to other vital jobs, there will be no equality. And until the vast amount of unpaid essential caring work is acknowledged and appropriately valued, the imbalance will continue. The enormous pressures and resulting illnesses and criss fostered by the current neglect of caring roles is costing us millions and stifling entrepeneurship.
Katherine Venes
You want parenting to be paid?
Katherine Venes
I wasn't agreeing.
How are these roles not valued?
@@themensroom02 We know that care work is predominantly done by women. And that this care work is unpaid. By why is it unpaid? and why aren't more men trying to do more of it. I mean, if we don't think it should be paid AND men don't want to do it...why would we think its work that has value? No money and no demand?
What a ridiculous diatribe of nonsensical gibberish. Caring roles and motherhood ARE valued and always have been. There is no patriarchal societal structure, women are as vital to everyday function as men and every man on this planet has always known this to be true.
It's strange that caring for children and people in general is valued so low. Perhaps we take certain skills for granted, compared to those that take a bit of training, like caring for a car.
In Sweden mothers, and also fathers, actually get paid - funded by taxes - to stay at home with their newborn children. One at the time and not for five years, but it is better than nothing. A mother should definitely be able to stay with her baby when she is breastfeeding, that is just common sense.
I have no children and I got rid of my lazy husband. People that care of children when working people are at work are still important to me. The help to shape the next generation.
I can afford one, but I don't want one. Still good if other people have kids, to make sure the human race DESTROYS! Meant that with a smile.
Stupid people and poor people have more children.
Yes! Educated women have less children. Educate more, save the planet!
In my previous job i was working with a woman,we had the exact same obligations but because she was a woman I was the only one to carry 25kg bags of sugar and flour every day and heavy objects in general,we were getting paid the same $/hour.This was totally unfair for me.Its simple women getting paid less because they chose less paid and easier jobs...
Then dont do a degree in psychology or sociology and do well paid stuff instead.
*_Good observation Tomasz Bara!_*
*_I recall that same thought on a national radio talk show. The majors that women take are as you_*
*_stated. And there not a lucrative career choice! ---But its what she wants. She needs to realize the pay plan._*
Why are psychology and sociology paid less? Is mental health not important? Isn't it useful to have a clue about the society you live in? Without psychology and sociology, this video wouldn't even exist.
@@evacookie913 Answer: market forces.
I don't mean to offend anyone, but I think you're ignoring other details. Sometimes when men choose a job like teaching or nursing, people seem judge them for being too feminine. While promoting the military, police, construction, and being a mechanic(amongst other jobs) as being more masculine. That could be a reason more men are in those positions.
"Nurses earn less than police officers"
*PRESS X TO DOUBT*
I don't know whether to be happy that they got their facts straight, or sad that they felt they had to frame it all in language that sounds sympathetic to women. We need the push-back against feminist lies to be unapologetic.
When I applied for a management position at the company I work for, the bosses doing the hiring asked my fellow coworkers which of 'us' they would prefer to get the management position. By 'us', I mean, they asked about all the male applicants and none of the female applicants. None of my coworkers were even aware that I had actually applied. I had told them, but they had assumed that I meant I was planning to apply, but never did, as my name was not listed as an applicant.
Afterwards, I spoke to my coworker who had been given the management position. He was shocked that my hourly pay was less than the state's max threshold for overtime pay. Even though he had 2 years less experience in the job, he had been paid above that threshold. After 5 raises, I am still making $1.75 per hour less than that threshold. This is against labor laws that are meant to guarantee pay parity for men and women working the same job with the same experience. There is a loophole to that law, though, as proof of violating the law needs to be shown on the company's pay records, and the company chose to 'not keep any records of that sort of information'.
There is a pay gap, and it's not that women simply choose to be paid less. It's that many company's in the US have chosen to not record key pay information, the legal system relies on letting companies self-regulate and self-report violations of labor law (like allowing a child to rat themselves out if they have their hand in the cookie jar - kids aren't going to get themselves in trouble by ratting themselves out and neither are companies), and chalking it all up to women having babies or being overly emotional or just plain lying, even though that's not the case.
I really do miss the military's payscale. Paygrade (basically, rank), time in service (basically, experience), allowances (annual set pay for purchasing new uniforms), and special pay (hazard pay for deployment to combat zones, etc.) were factored in; gender was not. Women with the same rank, time in service, and who were in the same situation (both located in a combat zone or both assigned to the same duty station, etc.) were paid the same amount that men were. It's not hard to set up a system like that civilian-side, but until it becomes mandatory for companies to track and report pay records or it becomes possible to admit worker's pay stubs as evidence of pay disparity when any group reports a company for labor law violations.
As far as the MGTOW/men's rights denial that the pay gap exists when women demand fair and equal pay for equal work in the same job with the same experience, I find it odd that so many of them are upset about women in porn getting paid more than men. Honestly, using a pay system like the military pay system would fix that, too, yet the MGTOWs, men's rights advocates, top company executives, and shareholders who fight against admitting a pay gap exists in any other job have been against implementing any such system.
So whats stopping you from a lawsuit? I would imagine the amount of attorneys who would take this case for free would be vast.
Or perhaps the people who make more than you do a better job? Or produce more/ higher work output?
People sue regularly for discrimination, you could win a large amount of money.
@@themensroom02 "I would imagine the amount of attorneys who would take this case for free would be vast." - you on drugs, son?
@@evacookie913 Do you plan to provide a rebuttal to this argument of mine or just give an ad hominem?
“On the unlikely situation if we’re on a titanic and it starts to sink, you get to go with the kids while us men get to sink.” -Bill Burr
Or much more likely to be convicted and be sentenced longer vs a women for the same crime.
There are literally instances where men and women have been charged with theft and the woman is let off with a slap on the wrist and a man gets significant prison time.
It's pretty diabolical - but feminists won't fight it or even call attention to it.
This is exactly what's happening in Ukraine rn
Men works longer hours, women do not
Men work hard labor jobs, women work easy jobs
Men know a how to save and budget their money, women spends a lot.
The gender pay gap is only real when the statistics take into account the gender, however those statistics don’t take into account the job,the time worked,how long you have been in the job or the experience of the profession. Woman and men are earning approximately an equal amount when you take into account the same jobs and time worked. Some people say even when those statistics are only taking the gender into account it’s because woman aren’t accepted into higher paying jobs,that is absolute bull, men and woman have equal opportunities, but there will never be an equal outcome,not because of sexism,because of the natural choices each sex makes. So in conclusion woman are pretty much equal to men in western culture.
@@ingeliuri13 Women, due to their nature, tend to work more nursing and empathy-related jobs, which are also less paid, like teachers, social workers etc. Men, due to their nature (more ambitious, stronger etc) chose higher-paid jobs, which are either more risky (policeman, firefighter), or have more possibility for climbing up in the hierarchy.
"So in conclusion woman are pretty much equal to men in western culture."
This is where it gets reeeeeaalllll feckin dark - because it really isn't.
The pay gap was nothing more than a massive red herring to distract from much bigger problems still plaguing the western world.
Look up male vs female conviction and sentencing statistics for the same crimes and you realise that gender equality is not even close to where we are - because it's significantly biased towards positive outcomes for women even when they don't have children. When they do have children it gets even more biased towards women again.
(admittedly I don't have statistics for male judges sentencing women and vice versa to compare to male judges sentencing men and female judges sentencing women)
Not to mention that in many western nations the military draft was merely discontinued, not truly abolished in law - and guess what?
Men are still the only gender on it for the most part (Israel is the only example I can think of with women called to duty, but not really the west).
No surprise we don't see/hear feminists making an issue out of these points.
Factories also pay men more for working at evening and night. That's another reason why men who may not be educated out earn wormen. Idk, just my thoughts.
Facts are for mysoginists
The conundrum here is that women wouldn't want to marry a guy less successful than herself. Once this changes, (But never will on a scale that would matter) fewer working women will stop holding THEMSELVES back.
damn right... all the focus is always finding a way to blame man.. when would the view shifted to see the other side of the stories.
Agreed. The fact that there exist men willing to bankroll a woman's lifestyle (and that the reverse seldom occurs) is a big contributing factor to their earning's disparity.
Holding themselves back/ If they had the wit or ability to succeed at the top jobs they wuld ALREADY be there! Let's look how INCOMPETENT women are - google - is going to drown itself in sexism lawsuits, is DELIBERATELY avoiding hiring the top men simply for diversity quotas! Kathleen Kennedy - RUINED a franchise that could literally print money! You tube boss - DELIBERATELY fucking content creators she doesn't agree with! COMICS - they've lost 30-40% readers in 4 years to cater for women entering the industry #comicsgate! EVERYTHING feminazis touch - turn to shit!
*_Ironically, if a man saw a gorgeous woman, whom would not be in his league; but he'd like to get to know her..._*
*_They just happen to be in a famous city marathon run. And finds out she's a customer service (Mgr) one year_*
_* later, possibly, marriage is proposed by him to her. But she's NOT a Fortune 500 EX-O like he is?!!*_
*_Is that "equality"?! Or something beyond and Better?!_*
You can't reverse female hypergamy. You can't violate Briffault's law.
"When an american woman goes back to work, her salary is on average lower than it would have been if she hadn't had a child." And....?
Are you implying that if a man took the same time off of work to care for a child, that his salary would NOT be lower? THAT would be sexism. But the fact is: both women and men who take time off of work to raise children, help an ill family member, or care for aging parents will experience negative consequences (in the form of lowered wages, fewer advancement opportunities etc.) in the workplace.
This was a way more balance view of the Paygap than any other mainstream media. Explaining both causes and remedies. Its a pity it wasnt even more in depth.
"As more children choose non-traditional careers and men do more child care"
Regarding the former, that would be optimal IF they indeed wanted non-traditional careers. The data suggests otherwise
Regarding the latter, that would be fair if men got the same paid leave as women do for the same amount of child care. Something tells me certain businesses would collapse under having to support that many paid leaves, without men staying behind to take care of the unfinished work
"Women are as ambitious as men" A blanket claim, with no evidence.
I don't know if they're "being held back". It sounds like they just make different choices, and no choice is necessarily "better" than the other.
The debate rages over a 15% gender earnings gap but no one talks about the 1305% gender workplace death gap
The gender wage gap exists outside of dangerous jobs, so the "death gap" doesn't explain it. It's definitely an issue worth talking about, though - like inflation, the housing crisis, the war in Ukraine, etc. Just a different topic.
@@evacookie913 The gender wage gap is based on a comparison of median pay across all jobs in society, and as such is not worth discussion.
A few years ago an Male Actor was paid quite a lot more for his performance than his co-star female counterpart and the reason apparently was because the male actor apparently asked for more money. I am male but there are all sorts of rumors circulated by someone that I don't want money, did not go to college to earn more money, accusations that I have radical political views and I have even been told people think I want to be a woman. Basically my income has been a lot lower than most males or females because people are accusing me essentially of being weird despite the fact that I majored in Economics which is a relatively high paying, management field. There are a lot of issues such as religion and preferences for High School and College study that separate men from women but I have the sense that women often ask for less money or believe they will not earn as much as males so they expect less. I know in my own case the income/money gap has been horrible my entire life and being accused of wanting to be or become a woman... well, how many friends does anyone believe I have?
They're not. The gender wage gap is a myth. The difference in pay has to do with a number of factors such as men are willing to work longer hours, more willing to relocate, take less sick leave. Women have ambitions such as having a child that requires them to take time off.
In Australia this mythical gap is 14% yet the average full time working man works 10% longer. So the "gap" is 4%, NOT accounting for different jobs. If women want to get paid more, maybe they should stop working in air-conditioned offices and do hard physical labour which may pays 4% more.
@@johncrow5552 the gender wage gap is manufactured lie. There are very specific reasons for the difference in overall salary. Men are more likely to relocate, to work longer hours and take a job below the targeted career then work their way up. Men do not take maternity leave or choose family life over occupation. For men, providing for the family is their top concern.
@@johnwelch615 Yes, 100% agree with you. Anyone who talks about the wage gap these days is not un informed, they are lying.
The question the needs to be asked is why are industries which are female dominated paid less than industries that are male dominated? Why have we decided this as a society? Why have we decided that caring roles are less important? Also why have we decided that children are women's responsibility primarily and that women must sacrifice their careers? Why don't men parent equally?
It doesn’t happen in the US because it’s against the law. Name one company, business, etc. that pays a male more than a female working the same position. It just doesn’t happen or that business would get blasted in the news.
This video is about the average wage not the pay for the same job
But, patriarchy! Waaaaah!
so the solution is 'it was shit sure but now it's not bad, if a little annoying but sure it'll work itself out'
Now that's a movement we can all support!
The Economist is hardly some partisan right-wing mouthpiece for the patriarchy, and yet even it acknowledges the reality about the so-called gender pay gap. At the end of the video of course it makes some rather unreasonable suggestions as to how to solve this non-existent problem, but I at least give them credit for being honest rather than towing the feminist line.
*So... by your irksome thought of "partisan right-wing mouthpiece"... Your either a Hilary-ite?! Or your a*
*Bernie Sander-ian, left-wing mouthpiece?! B **_Ha ha ha!_*
@@donnyvmodus_operandi4034
Don't make fun of people for their one-dimensional political belief system 😏
It's not nice. Also he's right.
@@donnyvmodus_operandi4034 I guess it's because everyone who doesn't agree with feminists is labelled as right-winger by them and their dogsbodies.
This is basicaly the most accurate comment made by anyone who's "progressive" about the gender wage pay gap ! I wish I found more of stuff like this in my life.
When I was working in a restaurant, women constantly had us guys get on the 12 foot ladder to grab heavy boxes from shelves. Which I never cared about it until my co worker split his knee open because the women there and any other restaurant I’ve worked at always had the men do those things. He was out for a month. Yes men deserve more
ouch
I feel for your friend, but if being asked to climb up a ladder because of your gender drives you mad, try being sexually harrassed, getting paid less for the same work, fired for having kids, or never getting promoted.
I think most women would prefer climbing up a f***ing ladder, splitting their knee and being out for a month, tbh.
thanks for someone saying the truth im so sick of being called sexist for disagreeing with people my god
Can't be doing with women saying they should be paid same as men. Yet women don't work in construction,mining,window cleaning,window fitting,sewage works,builder,joiner, untill it's equal with jobs shared between both genders
Women and especially mothers are not held back! They are free in making decisions. The most times it’s the women’s choice!
My sister in law stay at home even without kids, she just hated her job.
And that I see with more of my female friends!
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe the men in your life would also enjoy working less, but they don't because they feel like it's their duty as men to provide for women and they're scared of being regarded as weak, inferior men if they don't? Also: most women do not have the choice to stay home. It takes a lot of money and risk, and most men cannot afford to be the sole breadwinner. And a woman will be more likely to stay at home if her husband feels threatened by her having a career.
@@evacookie913 The men I know want to stop work don’t care about seen inferior it’s only about what life somebody can and will and can afford.
My reason to want to stop work is that the bureaucracy getting crazy.
I know many couples with kids where both want to stay home and who ever makes more money has to work.
Burdened with family care, hidden bias and societal norms are some of the reasons why women are paid less than men. Safe workplaces, provision of paternal leaves and structural obstacles need to be removed for the pay parity to be restored but the studies say it would take 257 years to realise it.
Not working in the most dangerous, dirtiest and hardest jobs on the planet is also why women get paid less than men. Without men doing those jobs modern, civilized society could not be built and maintained. Women ALWAYS want the jobs that pay the best and gives them the most prestige and power and they rarely if ever want the jobs that are the most toughest and backbreaking that are required to keep society running that may pay very well, but have little to no prestige or fame.
TL:DR women are held back by their own choices
@@ingeliuri13 you are dumb, and you should feel bad. Feminists push this narrative all the time and it is clearly wrong. Do you really think that toy companies try and socially engineer children or they adapting to what they can sell? They sell whatever they can to whoever will buy it. They wont take a loss and not try and sell cars to girls.
@@ingeliuri13 Girls toys: doctor Barbie, biologist Barbie, lawyer Barbie, scientist Barbie, president Barbie.
Boys toys: Zombie killer space soliders, monster truck vampires and dino-ghosts busters
I can't see the kids getting into those jobs.
@@ingeliuri13 i dunno i moslty got what i asked for. Never a football ball (i dunno, thats what its called?) or a solider figure, simply because i didn't liked that stuff.
mothers get the money coming in from their partner, so to say they are held back is misleading.
'Held back', as if what you earn in a year is representative as your value as a human being. You should be able to support yourself, anything beyond that depends entirely on what you value most in life.
People need to remember that having the same job doesn't mean it's the same work. For example my brother has the same job as his work mate yet does more work, more hours and so on so it's only right he earns more.
Companies would only employ women if they are truly paid less for the same "WORK"
Some may argue that women are naturally attracted to jobs like nurses, teachers etc due to a difference in brain makeup, often women, and this is a broad stereotype, are more attracted teaching jobs because it is a safe and enjoyable profession whereas men are more impulsive and prefer high risk or exciting jobs (stockbroker, business exec) where many things can go wrong, this is also why you see more men with gambling addictions. There is a difference in the genetic makeup of men and women and although this is changing the women who want the same jobs have slightly different brain functions and think all women want the same as them. Obviously, some men don't trust women to work in an important position inside their business due to how society has programmed us to view women but many women are happy with the job they do but they just want a higher pay for it. The problem is not just with men!
Men do not take maternity leave. Men do not call in sick during their
period. Men do not call in sick when their boyfriend breaks up wit
them. Men don't go home crying when "someone said something mean."
I personally love a woman always on top who takes control.
@Jacqueline Filo True.
If women choose to enter into low paying jobs or raise children, who is it exactly that is "holding them back". Should we encourage people to CHOOSE differently against their will?
"The race for gender equality"
No no no, you meant the race for *gender equity*
If women are paid less than wouldn’t companies hire women more often
This is a good video that actually shows the truth, props
"Will be held back" as if to say a woman's biological maternal preference compared to a man, causing more women on average than men to choose spending more time at home with children, is a burden. Nonsense.
Jordan Peterson Intensified
I wonder why they didn't ask women to fight for Ukraine, but they let them leave the country....
Wait, police dont make more then nurses (at least not in the US) and i thought the pay gap is for the same job.
This is a British video and therefore British salaries. To understand the difference between the USA and UK for these two jobs is simple. In the UK. Both jobs are funded by tax payers (public sector). Whereas in the USA the health sector is private and profit run therefore higher salaries for nurses and the police officers are (mostly) funded by tax payers. Nurses are pretty well paid though in the UK with most nurses able to earn £28k (current exchange rate $40k) per year and higher with promotion to Sister grades. Base level Police Officers earn £40k ($56k) after about 15yrs service.
True - but then again nurses don't face being shot of assaulted by gangs!
nurses in the US will earn $50k or more, easily.
*_Good observation Cristobal Borromeo!_*
@Homo Quantum Sapiens actually no they are not I'm also a retired firefighter and McDonald's employees made more then me idiot
If women expect more equal treatment at work, they should no longer rely on their men to pay their bills
This is a bit off topic but I always found it Bull shitt when I work in different labourers jobs and women been given the light easy tasks and getting paid the same. For example I worked a few years in banana farms doing very hard work in the field carrying banana bunches from the tree to the trailer 90 kg banana bunches all day. Then getting to the shed and lifting them up onto the chains to hang them then de-hand each Bunch which was quite physical as well. Now I never met a woman in the 6 years, working on all different banana farms, a single woman doing these physical jobs. They get guven the easiest jobs , at most lift 2 kilos, work slower, complain more, scream about insects and get paid the fucking same.
Give more men child custody and child support. Pay for them just as women are paid for. Don't simply take away their jobs and call it equality. As it is, you just want the cake and eat it.
Sorry, but it hasn't anything to do with what I said, and you propose a bad idea, too. I know that it is much more difficult to work as, or even become, a lawyer than a teacher. But to return to the actual topic: you cannot achieve equality if the only thing you feminists do is to demand more rights, more privileges, and do not concern about the ones you already have.
@ms wpwm Are you a socialist/communist? Ever heard of supply, demand and price?
@ms wpwm You said everyone should be paid equally. That's not possible. If everyone was paid equally, no one would work high stress, high specialization, more complex, high risk jobs. Everyone would prefer be a cashier. That's not sustainable. Sorry, but average teachers is just not as important as average doctor. We need to reward high performing people more than low performing ones to sustain civilization
@ms wpwm
1. Obviously, some people will pursue jobs only due to interests, but not in numbers required to meet the needs and wants of human civilization. There's a reason money was created.
2. With introduction of patents, scientific discovery grew exponentially. That's because scientists and inventors were finally getting paid more for their jobs. If we pay good scientists more we will get much better results than we currently get.
3. Lawyers earn little if they don't graduate from top law schools. Not so in case of doctors. That's why many people study medicine instead of law.
4. I never said teachers were unimportant. They are important, but less than doctors. Teaching is much easier and stress free than being a doctor.
5. Altruistic motivational indeed works as you gave examples, but profit motive works much better.
Here we go again.
watch the vid
Greg Ibara what?
*_I KNOW! ---RIGHT?!_*
Who is holding them back?
Their own, free will, choices?
:/
I thought it was because of sexism and the patriarchy. Who would’ve known?? 🤷🏽♂️
I feel like a lot of the dislikes are from people who saw the title but didn’t watch the video
more like they watched the video regardless of the title
I swear whenever a woman talks about their life and experiences men will lose their minds. Like are women not allowed to express their feelings/ tell their stories?
As long as they don't trample all over facts with their emotions when making a false argument.
"Men invade, women invite, and no amount of wishfulness can overcome it."
-Donald Trump
There is a positive side to all this: With more than 7 billion of us on the planet, it might actually be a good thing to discourage people from having more children.
problem is that people in countries like Iceland, Switzerland and Denmark are being told to have fewer children while people in africa, muslim countries and latin america are encouraged to have more.
why does no one ever talk about men being paid less when you compaire the under 30s? if women stopped having children then they would out earn men. women get more degrees, why isn't there an outcry on the degree gap?
the reason for women being paid less after returning to their job with a child is due to the company not being able to definitively know whether the woman will move on or continue
Also because the women make less time for the job once they have children.
Men with children make more time for work on average vs women and that gives them higher credo in the eyes of employers when asking for a raise/promotion.
The video says that women are asking for a raise/promotion as much as men now - it doesn't say if they are getting it as much, I'd say no.
Women have a choice, career or family. It's extremely difficult to have both. If you do have both, the family will hinder your career advancement because of the time off.
How do you explain childless women who are in exactly same position as their male counterparts, have slightly more experience and slightly more responsibility, equal education, equal age, work equal hours but still earn less? Are they not demanding enough? Just thinking, because i know quite a few and would like to know why that is.
Well, yes. They are either not demanding enough, or they are not as talented as they think. Sure, there is a chance there is promotion bias - but that card gets played so often, its difficult to accept.
that's messesd up
In the West, women generally chose the job they want. Nobody is stopping them from studying engineering. Companies are so keen to be diverse they hire every female engineer who applies and quickly promote them to management positions. But, many women simply don’t want these jobs. The proposed solution is to reverse the gender roles and make men responsible for child care. Many women don’t want that either. All current solutions are doomed to fail.
If "equality" mean the outcome/ benefit had to the same.. then how bout all of the advantages female had? They are most likely not be given the riskier work even in the same job like police or army.. they dont have the social pressure to be superior (income, size, position, etc) to get sex n companionship.. n the list goes on n on..
the reason why so many man had to work so damn hard.. is because once man were falling behind economically, their spouse would lose respect n possibilities of divorce is significantly higher.. n when getting divorce, man are essentially enslave by the goverment.
Lots of man dont care if the wife dont want to work, but most woman not happy having man that earn less than them..
Sure there is always be exception.. so dont tell me not everyone is like that, or you n your friend is not like that.. please...
Balance of power between man n woman is always assymetrical, if you force it to balance only by one side, the other would suffer..
Homo Quantum Sapiens there is "inequality" on bothside n that make assymetrical equality. The analogy is just like two different branches of goverment, neither one is equally powerfull at one side. if we focuses our attention to make one equal with other in one specifict measurement. then it become unequal.
Can congress said they are less than executive branch?
Same with woman n man, all this focuses on woman earning less. failed to see the other kind of measurement like who controlled family spending or how much social pressure for man to provide..
see.. you dont have any logical coherent argument, so you rely on shaming tactic.. too bad, i am not insecure man to fall for such. hahaha... you JUST shame men, in fact that is your only respond. so did man get shamed for everything? yes..
i am not saying the word "discrimination", i am saying unequal outcome or in your terminology "inequality". i dont actually believe inequality should be judge by outcome. but hey, whatever that make you understand my point right.
like i said, the balance is asymmetrical, by only focusing one side a million time, the balance would be tilt. and it already are.. woman everywhere is unhappy, my best friend just got divorce with her husband and among my 30`s years old peers, nearly 1/4 of them is in the mess.. men or woman.. that is my concern, i am fortunate to understand realities n how to deal with it. lots of people are not.
few years ago, i had a young consumer that is attracted to me, but i dont attracted to her.. so, i asked her, why she dont try to date the dude that trying to court her, then she tell me everything bout her life n her complain about men that trying to court her.
i am kinda sad, that dude is really love her. but she felt like he cant provide enough for her. its really ironic right.. lots of young woman in their 20`s that make more money than man, still dont want to be with man that earn less. so what happen? lots of dude, work really2 hard.. i am owner of few small enterprise, n i gave extra love to employee that willing to gave extra effort..
plus in latter age, like in 30`s man voice get much rounder n bass.. the naturally had advantages in leadership. cus they had easier time to complain n lead without causing less discomfort, than comparatively less masculine man or woman, with higher pitch voice.
hahaha... i never once shame you in this whole debate, but that is the only thing you can respond to me.. that show the difference in intelligent between us (and yes, this time i counter back). XD
who i am is irrelevant to the argument. but if you were so damn curious.. then let me assured you, i had no problem with woman. i love them n they love me.. infact i often treat woman better than i treat men.. the only thing, they hated me for, is exposing the truth.. people like you are the norm in my life, they also dont like my word, until i prove how accurate i can be in predicting their gf/wife reaction, reasoning n future choices.
how about you try to answer my argument point by point using logic n fact instead of acting mad n resorting to shaming all the time.. do you even understand what is "asymmetrical balance" at all?
do you know why overseas chinese/indian/jews/javanese/etc are much more richer than their peers in their own origin country? cus they got discriminated in many ways.. so they band up together, work harder, study harder to even the playing field.. when they get so much richer, the majority would then felt economy inequality.. how come a small portion of those minority had so much more money than the majority? then gave rise to either racist bigot like Hitler.. that only willing to focus on one side with constant propaganda, disregarding all other relevant information.
and your pattern of argument is the similar, you just replace racism with sexism.. but with equally dishonest n narrow minded focus..
We live in a an era where you can pick your jobs. I don’t see the point in this argument
Money is not everything. Keep calm and care your family.
Avraham Yeuda ironic that your profile picture represent something..
*_Truism... But still a fair point!_*
You need money to care for a family
Women chose to have children.
That they make 4% less compared to not taking time off makes sense, no one gets a raise or bonus if you’re not working.
I laugh when i see such stuff. Most of these analysts Tend To Exclude Nature from the picture in the bid to sound politically Correct, Naturally Men are drawn to more intense work, even Riskier work, And the Economy Does Not See Gender It Sees results.....
Occupation, hours worked, men in more dangerous jobs, men are more likely to be in jobs that work evenings and weekends
was expecting this to be sexist, was pleasantly surprised that it wasn't
Women arent held back. They make different choices with different rewards.
Because of their choices!
Here’s something most men would say. I’d rather never have kids, vs spending the next 18 years as a stay at home dad. Every man can also say, “I’d love a leave from work that’s paid because I just had a baby, then that man would be called a pansie”
Maybe taking care of their own child should not be seen as "being held back". Maybe taking care of their own baby is more fulfilling and gratifying than a mid management job in a big corporation. The eEconomist and many journalists present these careers as the only decent way to live their life. It's not.
There is no gender pay gap.
I have been working all my life in a factory. Both with men and women. Men do the hardest jobs: standing, lifting, walking,
assembling.
Women get the lightest jobs: sewing and paperwork.
The same factory, the same money, but sorry: as a man I don't get the pleasure of sitting all day on my ass.
Yes there's a supermarket in the UK (Tesco) and the women bitched about not getting the same money as the warehousemen. Yet funny enough they don't bitch about only having to work in the nice warm / dry indoors or not having to lift heavy crates. Must be hard for a woman realising they can EASILY be replaced by a sex doll!
Thank you Economist, very cool
It's possible men and women are treated differently at work, in their school lives, and this leads to the sort of decision making women do.
Salamander it's possible that we all have the same freedom's and that of you're not happy with the decisions you make then only you can change that. If women are driven to live in certain ways, who is stopping them?
I thought equal paternity/maternity leave would go some way to solving this. Employers can't discriminate if they know both men and women will potentially take the same amount of leave after dropping a baby.
So what?
Is it men's fault?
*_I'd say, in this day and age, and for the most part NO. Now, that doesn't mean, it doesn't happen!_*
The price paid for motherhood is well paid! Hugely paid by the children they raise. Case closed.