What people miss about the gender wage gap
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2016
- It's more complex than women earning 79 cents for every dollar a man makes.
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When there is talk about the gender wage gap, often the statistic heard is, “Women earn 79 cents for every dollar a man makes.” While this is factually correct, it does not encompass the nuances of the wage gap. The answer is in the complexity of this problem. Career types and child-rearing duties are both in the equation to closing the gender wage gap.
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male stripers don't get paid as much as female stripers...
Nor pornstars...
Same with pornstars. Most of work is done by the male pornstar but female gets more money. ha ha ha.
Talk about that wage gap...
There's a Higher demand for female strippers
there is a higher demand for male workers
If they can pay women less, why don’t companies solely hire women?
if we assume the descrimination hypotisis to be true, that would happen because companies would believe women are less productive - they would pay according to what they believe women produce. So that argument isn't really valid
Gender pay gap is one those things were it’s not always about paying woman less. It’s about choices the woman makes. Take the MBA example, women earned less because they had children and had to put their career on hold whereas the men did not have to. Women with no children earn double than those who do. Sometimes it’s companies being shady and paying woman more. The gender pay issue is much bigger than companies choosing to pay woman less.
If everyone is pay equal that sounds like umm communism. And we all know what happen to people under communism. Gulag, great purge, lots and lots of famine, and the Cold War.
@@maketheeugreatagain1326 Its already the law to pay people equal pay for the same work same hours same education and experience the wage gap doesn't happen. Or when it does it's already illegal anyway so advocating for it doesn't do anything. The true answer for the wage gap is the choices of the women.
@@issstari954 I don't wanna start a full-on discussion about this - there is too many things to be said on a comment section. I was just saying that that argument doesn't make much sense.
1. Women work less hours on average.
2. Women are less likely to ask for a raise.
This explains the wage gap within same occupations.
LRN_News the thing is that, it’s not true, well mostly not true, if a person is good at a job, and another person isn’t, the person that is better will get more money while the person that isn’t good at it will get paid less. What you listed is not true, a woman has the chance to work more hours, a woman can also ask for a raise, there’s nothing stopping her, it depends on the person, and it doesn’t count the whole group
Das Kriegsmarine It does actually. There's such a thing that averages. Men and women are not the same. They are biologically different.
Equality does not exist and cannot be observed anywhere in nature. Some people are more talented than others, some people are smarter than others etc.
Another thing that explains women's unequal presentation in high level positions in modern developed societies is also the fact that they have a different brain and on average they happen to have less of the favourable personality traits required to attain high level positions. Men are on average more competitive, industrious and are less likely to suffer from chronic anxiety and stress.
Another thing is that women tend to have children which affects their availability or ability to compete with men in the work-place.
@@derfegelein4401 you know LRN news is right right, not all both males and females are not made equal and all people in the world aren't all made equal and especially aren't developed equally. People who work harder and in dangerous environments, people who speak up should be thought of more, and people who are smarter should be paid more. If I'm able to lift heavier stuff and put myself at risk you should not be paid as much as me.
@@derfegelein4401 in the same job, women and men can work the same amount of hours and also ask for a raise however, women, on average, are less likely to ask for a raise and also work less overtime. This is another large reason in the pay gap.
Tron the Miner look to what I said before, if what you say is correct, then women are the cause of their own misfortune, they should blame only themselves for being paid less, right?
Do a video on the gender death gap in the workplace.
Jay B they won’t. It’ll favour men and their narrative would fall flat on its face
Sounds like a matter of choices, they should just choose another career its not women's fault they choose those jobs.
@@dayrohan someone has to do the job, and women arent up for it
This video isn't really bad
They aren't really trying to push a false narrative
They pretty much just said females tend to earn less becuse they can't be as flexible due to family matters
@@catkook543 but they are claiming that it is real. When it's not. It's illegal to pay women less than men for the same work
"what people miss" You mean what feminists miss? Normal humans already knew this from the start. There is nothing surprising.
Are you serious? I've yet to see one of your strawman 'feminist' comment. The main comments are by people closing their eyes and complaining that there is no gap.
BiologyPhia I have to agree that alot of people here are disliking before the video starts, but thats because of the bias and history of vox.
This is their first unbiased video on the gender pay gap that actually explains the flaws of the statistics rather then accepting it as fact and gospel.
+robert karas
They are not explaining "flaws in the statistics", they are explaining why the statistics are as they is and they are explaining why it's a much more complicated issue than a lot of people, (on both sides of the debate), often portrai it as....
But I agree with you that it was nice to see a video where they cover the topic as something that's more nuanced and complicated! It would be great if more people took that approach to a lot of topics!
GorillaGuerilla The statistics was a failure... If you consider taking the average of 2 things and calling it a day then you need to go back to school and re-take statistics.
average of what 2 things?
If we really care about gender equality, then why focus only on the "wage gap"? There's an employment gap, a workplace fatality gap, an education gap, a mental health gap, and an incarceration gap.
Don't forget the homeless gap.
Wages affect everyone, though. Of course something that affects 50% of people will get more attention than something that affects 10% of people. But you're assuming we can only focus on one thing at the time. That's like saying we shouldn't talk about health care when we need to talk about infrastructure.
the age gap, suicide gap and custody gap too
+bluent
A wage gap effects 50% of the people in the same way the workplace fatality gap effects 50% of the people, through generalization. There exist women in higher paying positions just as there are men in safer jobs, but once you make it a generalization it can be considered to effect them all.
He isn't assuming we focus on one thing at a time, he is saying that you shouldn't consider each point in a vacuum. Complaining that women make less money while not acknowledging the benefits that come with their choice of work is dishonest. Money is only one measure of success.
Also a suicide gap
Making less money because you prioritize caring for your family is not a negative thing. We need to respect women's choices in life.
Edit: Another point to this discussion is the data on when women start to dominate a specific occupation rather than men, the wages go down without any distinct reason. There are a lot of moving parts in this debate, and I'm not sure there is an easy solution for everyone.
Ikr
Alan J what do you mean?
Alan J i just don’t understand what you mean.
hey hey why should a company pay you more if you work less? Of course, prioritizing family is a good thing but from a companies view it makes No sense to pay them more
true but then women can't complain that "ThEy EaRn 79ct FoR eAcH dOlLaR a MaN mAkEs"
It's not about "Paying women more" as much as it is about "men and women talking equal responsibilities in raising their children"
This is true in a lot of homes. Men feel like the majority of the financial responsibility lies in them. and that results in them having no hand in raising their kids. And women feeling like they have all the responsibility of raising their kids. And no opportunity to persue the career they want.
If we solve this issue, we both win
This
Actually, according to the statistics presented, about an equal amount of families share the work as compared to the families where women take on the majority. A minority of men take on the majority in their families. This is influenced by the fact that housewives still exist, especially among the older generation, househusbands are relatively new and are typically shamed for it, and that there is just a social role that women are more willing or otherwise feel pressured to fulfill.
Anyway, I agree that men should take more interest in child rearing, but disagree that women only rearing is what happens the majority of the time. It's statistically just as likely to be an equal share family (if I had to guess it's the newer generation splitting the work, and as the older generation dies off the percentage will increase).
Spot on bro!
How is this an issue?
Why is that an issue to begin with??? That is a natural course of the day: women get pregnant, have kids and take care of them, thus having no time for work. Men taking financial responsibility for his kids and a woman that takes care of them. Why is that an issue? Oh, I'm sorry, that's patriarchy? Well then, God bless patriarchy!
The question is "how do you make 100k straight out of college?!"
Spend 12 years in college
Or 12 years in the workforce to aquire skills to get you paid six figures.
win the lottery
@@samueljett7807 only to work on residency for another 3 years
Go into STEM fields
Sooo the wage gap is only a thing because women generally work less... Why was this even an issue then?
Because they are statistically expected to do more unpaid work: like housework and child care.
+Will Barclay damn you told her ass. phew
Then be honest about it, you want taxpayers, men and WOMEN to subsidize stay at home parents, including MEN.
The problem is, companies don't care if women do more unpaid work. Housework and child care doesn't help that business that you work for. The only way to really close the wage gap is for men to take care of their kids, and babies need their moms more than their dads.
+Rachel Foley Love how you use the word expected, it's a choice made within a household. Most women "choose" to be the caregiver. You can fight nature all you want, but hell it's natural.
We learn in grade 4 math we need to compare apples to apples. You need to compare men and women who work in the SAME job and who have made the same choices (e.g. no time off, same number of hours, etc.)
That would shatter the gap myth. Cant have that.
Yeah, I’ve heard women do quite well there, but can still be slowed by maternity leave only applying for moms, instead of having paternity leave that can be used for either parent post recovery
That’s not the point. The point is women are struggling to balance a career and childcare, and they shouldn’t be punished for choosing the latter (most important role in society) because it is no longer possible to survive on one income. Edit I’m not a third wave feminist I just want to have an honest discussion that leads to good outcomes. And answers like it’s women’s fault for being promiscuous and getting pregnant before having a man are unhelpful because again, 1 income isn’t enough anymore for most and 2 it’s a two way street, men are unwilling to settle down also. Life is unpredictable, there’s many reasons why women have to raise kids alone but also when there are 2 parents 1 income isn’t enough idk why that’s so hard for so many people.
@@GG-kn2se company’s like money not family and that’s just how they work
@@GG-kn2se then nature is sexist, because bad news : women bear the children. And they are predestined to be better at parenting than males
What I learned from this video: go to business school
They went to uchicago, one of the top business schools in the nation. You’re not earning that same type of money going to just any mba school
Get a trade... do something you enjoy... or go into debt for a price of paper up to you
@@GrubbyPaddler If you are going to a top business school, you will out earn any labour job within the first year
Or medical and computer engeneering
So, in other words, if a woman wants to make the same as a man, she should earn the same education, get the same job, and work the same hours? Got it.
That's not what the video said.
dont forget that she shouldnt have kids
If your point here was to miss the point then you are on point.
That is precisely what it was implying, yes. It is saying that there is a smaller wage gap at jobs where women work the same amount. What is YOUR interpretation of the data presented?
I won't leave
My interpretation was what I just said, but what many people won't admit. People who earn different degrees, get different jobs, work different hours, and negotiate differently will obviously make different amounts of money. If you get an English degree and work as a kindergarten teacher around the schedules of your hideous shrieking spawn, then that's kinda your fault if you make less than an electrician who works overtime every week, no matter which one of you has a Y chromosome.
It should be called the _earnings_ gap, not wage gap.
To be fair, it is still a wage gap. They earn lower wages.
mr7wi Am I wrong?
mr7wi I agree. It should be called an earnings gap, but it is still technically a wage gap.
What? He literally JUST explained how it's not a wage gap, and has nothing to do with the actual wages of people, and you still think it's "technically" a wage gap?
No.... It's technically not.
Helldog6 They're the same damn thing! Someone EARNS a WAGE.
I know woman who purposefully took lower paying jobs to have more time with their kids. That's OK, its their choice.
I think the issue comes with women being hired for less due to the employer anticipating them having children. For instance, you're less likely to be hired as a woman if they ask you in an interview if you are planning to have kids and say yes than if you say no.
@@joewood5757 it's illegal to ask that though
@@ruthiemuqatach5942 true but it does happen
@@joewood5757 Nah, its showed that woman that have no children are payed more than the ones that have
@@bebedor_de_cafe3272 yeah, same point
average salary of 400,000 after 9 years out of business school? I'm jealous…
They probably factored in billionaires from multinational corporations
@@bazil4146 it's salary, most billionaires who went to business school don't have very high salaries. When Bezos was CEO of Amazon his salary was 70k
@@bn0113 well
taxes
it's because they graduated from the chicago school of business. it's considered the best business school in the world.
what i like about this is that its fairly neutral on what it presents
Except it isn't.
Nope
It presents the nuanced facts, which is better than a lot of sources, but it still paints this issue as a problem that needs solving. If it was truly neutral, this video would at least talk about how all of these differences between men and women's choices may be natural. Considering what we know about how testosterone affects behavior, it shouldn't be far fetched.
but you have to agree they aren't promoting or suppressing any opinions
+George Cataloni So basically, if it were truly neutral, it would agree with you.
Company A (a large company) hires six men and four women, all with equal qualifications, and pays them each $65,000 a year.
Company B (a medium company) hires five men and five women, all with the same exact qualifications of those newbies at
Company A, and pays them $55,000 a year.
Company C (a small company) hires six women and four men, all with the same exact qualifications as the newbies at Company A, but only pays them $45,000.
Men: [(6 * $65K) + (5 * $55K) + (4 * $45K)] / 15 = $56,333 average salary
Women: [(4 * $65K) + (5 * $55K) + (6 * $45K)] / 15 = $53,667 average salary
Difference: (56,333 - 53,667) / 56,333 = 0.0473
There exists a 4.7% gender pay gap, yet no woman is paid less than the men with the same qualifications working in the same company.
[The math works in reverse too--give Company A 6 women/4 men and Company C 4 women/6 men--and the men will collectively be paid less than the women.]
Numbers can be skewed simply by altering which companies are chosen to compare.
Never has a RUclips comment been so thoughtful. Thank you for actually contributing something intellectual.
More people should "like" your comment, but I think there is too much math for most of them to understand. So sad.
Thanks :)
bump
This is beautiful.
Somthing tells me vox doesn't factor in certain facts for certain reasons.
such as?
@@ventner5654 The fact that men are more likely to work overtime than women, and men are also less likely to take sick days off of work. Men also on average retire at a later age.
Dr. Shaym's video on 36 feminist questions answers and a bunch of his other videos show his sources up on screen.
@@tolo4762 Could you have just link them here, why a middle man?
@@yurimikhail6907 Because if you took 10 seconds to send a link to everyone lied to about the wage gap myth you'd spend your whole life sending links
Imagine making a wage gap video in 2017/2018 with statistics from the 70’s 🤦🏼♂️
It worked in their favour
Since if the wage gap aint that big and was caused of external factors (ex : children ) and not internal factors (ex : company policy)
That means it must be better in the free-er 21st century america, since in the early 70s the culture is abit more sexist than today.
But yeah i agree
They should give some more newer stats so we can see how the "wage gap" evolved over years.
Where did you see that the statistics were in the 70’s
"But why do men still earn more?"
Because, on average, men are a lot more aggressive/assertive with their wages than women. They are more likely to ask for raises, demand promotions, and tend to work in less favorable conditions to better their professional lives. While that's not saying that some women do not do that, many more men on average tend to than women. Also, that bit on women being primary care providers for children goes much deeper than this video can explain. I'll mainly summarize with "Maternity leave hurts a woman's professional life, while raising those children does so even more".
Sonu lol the entire point of that video is that it's silly to ask the same of men and women when they have to deal with more chores and family matters. So no men shouldn't get the same amount of time as men and women. Men are not women. Men don't bear children. Men don't breastfeed.
Raise honestly depends on how much value a persons skill has as well as the position you have. In case you are working in a field which doesn't have high specialist qualifications you will be unlikely to get a raise. Chef's, are a workforce where the individual's skills and experience have a direct connection to the quality of food, if they ask for a raise it's highly likely they'll get it (In case they do a good work.). Same with the IT techs. If you work as an accountant or on a "misc" job which does not have a direct connection to the success of the company or quality of service, it's unlikely for you to get a raise. I am working in a company where everyone (Men AND women) get a blanket salary, which increases for everyone after the first 4 months of work. There are bonuses and all of that, but unless you get a promotion, your salary will largely stay the same.
I honestly think that this video should be a bit more specific in regards to different work places and statistics that they researched. What companies pay less for the same qualifications? Because if it's simply a "work fields" like it was mentioned in the video, it ignores the differences between companies, which can be quite large. The thing with the IT field is because of the value of their skillset and the intelligence of their work force. They need to make sure that their offer is comparable to other places, because in case there is a different company with a better wage offer, it's likely that people would be aware of it (Because of the internet.) some of the people working for that IT company would simply go work somewhere else with a better wage. It's not the same case in business and other such places.. Not to mention it has also been looked into that women are more likely to change jobs as their priorities are usually on the social circle at the work place, not the wage.
BNot to mention that men on average work longer.
Or that younger women earn more than men right now.
Which is why we need better paternity leave times and more social encouragement for working women! *That's* how you fix the wage gap. You fix societal standards, since not every equality issue is a legal issue.
The wage gap has always been comparing apples to oranges to come up with the gap number. People need to learn how to do correct statistics
comparing people to people doesnt make sense to you?
It's not that they don't know how to do correct statistics; one feminist advocacy group after another keeps publishing skewed research with manufactured statistics. It's not that they don't know how to conduct research, or that they don't know how to provide correct statistics, or how to abide by scientific integrity - it's that they specifically choose not to.
They specifically choose to manufacture false statistics with skewed research papers because it's the conclusion they want to publish. The reason these advocacy groups research consistently excludes relevant factors like job experience, hours worked, relevant education (etc) is because those factors provide a result they simply don't want to accept.
The reality is there's a lot of people who've based their entire careers upon the feminist movement - authors, writers, editors, bloggers, professors, teachers, advocacy group members - a whole spectrum of people who simply can't afford to admit that the wage gap doesn't exist. Their career is specifically dependent on the existence of such things as the wage gap - it would be career suicide for them to admit the truth.
+Jex134 well what is the truth? you cannot just tell me that all of the statistics are manufactured and fake without anything to prove it. you arent convincing me at all. How about we compare the wages between men and women in othee countries. Maybe places that have medical leave for pregnancy (which we still havent cought up with) or places that have free college education to factor out the issue of having a family. That would be the biggest issue skewing these results.
+greatgallade again, prove that to me before spouting it out of your shithole
TylerACE93 *_"well what is the truth? you cannot just tell me that all of the statistics are manufactured and fake without anything to prove it."_*
There's literally too many for me to cite. Basically every statistic citing 68-89 cents on the dollar relies on manufactured results by excluding relevant factors; they simply compare average earnings by gender, occupation, and age - they deliberately exclude relevant factors like job experience, relevant education, hours worked, sick leave, vacation time etc.
*_"you arent convincing me at all."_*
I don't care. Your feelings are irrelevant to me.
*_"How about we compare the wages between men and women in othee countries."_*
For the same reason we don't compare apples to oranges.
*_"Maybe places that have medical leave for pregnancy (which we still havent cought up with) or places that have free college education to factor out the issue of having a family."_*
We do in my country. We still have an earnings gap on par with the U.S.
*_"That would be the biggest issue skewing these results."_*
No it isn't. Excluding how many hours the two groups actually worked is by far the single most important factor that is consistently and deliberately left out. Whether or not you paid for your own college isn't remotely as relevant as how many hours you actually worked in comparison to the other group.
4:38 did she really just say that nobody get rewarded for long hours. ever heard of overtime
Right? I thought I was the only one who had noticed - even without overtime pay... they aren’t still paid per hour? I don’t get it.
@@nattr6102 Salaried jobs tend to pay more, and provide far more benefits for employees than hourly jobs.
OK - women pharmacist are exploited when they’re not paid for overtime - and when the same thing happens to men, that’s a reward?
@@marteung huh? she was talking about pharmacists at that point, and 'long hours' meaning being the sole employee of your own business. If you can stay open all day, you get all the customers possible = the max profit (the reward). But now pharmacists don't get rewarded for that because there shifts are determined by the company they work for.
Jarrett Montgomery my whole point is ... the reality you’re describing is the same for both men and women!
1:00 - men earn $400,000 but women earn 60% less at $250,000%... that’s 62.5% as much, not 60% less (which would be $160,000)
An obvious misspeak
@@joshmuir8058 A person wrote it, another checked it, and then another said it. Either it's astonishing incompetence, or deliberate misinformation.
With math skills like that, maybe that's why they're making less.
250 x 1.6 = 400,000
@MrLogic Guy 60% more and 60% less isn't the same thing
I watched the whole thing before I consider disliking, and this seems interesting. It's not a blatant feminist video saying that discrimination exists against women in the work place, but the video shows actual research and studies as to how the pay gap widens in strict, inflexible jobs because of how women bear children.
This video doesn't assume that women get paid less than men for the same job because of sexism
Thanks for that, lots of kneejerk reactionary comments from people who didnt even bother watching the video
Yep, that's what I realised.
Omg, the denial in this comment.
Even with all these facts and you still don't believe in the gender wage gap. Ridiculous.
+Bobo Jojo hey it's his opinion
If women make 79 per dollar a man makes, why don't businesses ONLY hire women because they don't need to pay them as much?
The stat is real, you just think it's bs because you don't actually understand what the stat is saying and you're taking it for something it is not. The stat is NOT "on the same job, every woman is paid 21 cents less than a man would be". The stat is that when comparing the MEDIAN income of men and women, a woman makes 79 cents for every dollar a man makes. It's a very general and irrefutable stat that isn't very hard to calculate (economists are CONSTANTLY finding the medians of everything), but it leaves a lot of room for interpretation when discussing what causes it and what should be done (if anything).
Yeah, that's one hell of an assumption you're making there Trey Roy.
Ambidextrous voter If you watched the video...
The stat is NOT "on the same job, every woman is paid 21 cents less than a man would be"
Agreed! This video actually dug into the reality of the situation. But the politicians and talking heads that complain about the wage gap very often DO talk about the stat in a very misleading manner.
Do you even understand what the debate is about?
Women earn less as a whole than men. On the job, they earn the same as their peers. The problem is that they take time off to raise a family and work lower paying jobs that have more flexible hours so as to help be there for their family.
The problem is that, culturally, we as a society disproportionately foist the burden of raising children upon women rather than men.
Kinda funny. She literally highlighted the issue, and yet totally missed it:
Women trade pay for flexibility.
Men trade flexibility for pay.
So her solution is.. make everything flexible so everyone makes the same.
Men don’t want flexible, nor the lower pay that involves. They just want the money.
You cant dictate flexibility by law, its your personal choice, thats why you cant change it systematically but culturally
Even when adjusted for all these variables, there is a 4% wage gap that even Prager U admits to
Theres no such thing as wage gap only people asking for days off, or overtime etc
4:55 “…there will also be particular jobs where you have to work specific hours”
Clearly, she’d solution is not “make everything flexible”
@@syedrehanalikhan7677 That 4 % is probably bonus for doing more. You literally get more when you put more hours and for better products. If you do less and complain alot about working hours to make it more flexible for you, you think that person should get same treatment?
Interesting the way gap appears to occurr during child bearing years.
surprised pikachu face
Yea not like they addressed that exact claim in the video
yeah the video mentioned that...
omg, babies are stealing all the jobs!!
@@dtester fr we need to cancel babies
*Men make up 94% of workplace deaths and suicides.* But we aren’t arguing to close that gargantuan gap are we?
In addition, *the wage gap is irrelevant*, as despite ‘earning’ less, women control more money than men.
Men earn 61.5% of all income, but only account for 25% of domestic spending. Men only spend 40% of what they earn after tax. In contrast, women make up 38.5% of all income, but control 75% of domestic spending, meaning women *on average spend 90% more money than they earn*.
3rd wave feminism is a joke..
3rd Wave Feminists don't know what it's like to have men spend money for them.
You got sources for that? and duh women spend more because obviously a part time working housewife is going to spend her days buying all the stuff the family needs. If they control for that and find women spend more on personal unnecessary expenses more than the men that would be actually interesting
+Jeff Albertson Wait, you don't count your rent/mortgage, electricity, water and gas bills? What about groceries (laundry detergent, cleaning supplies, paper toilet, shampoo, family meals, etc)? Leisure? Vacation? Food for your child? Clothes and toys and school supplies? Is that supposed to be your wife's share?
You cant force wage equality in a society that expects men to be the primary providers.
78% of US women said a partner with a steady job was the most important trait in a future spouse. Furthermore, 75% said they’d have a problem with dating someone without a job. Only 4% would go out with an unemployed man.
Even with spending on children accounted for, women still spend more money on themselves than the combined spending for men and children. This can even be observed in the floor space allocated to women's products in most shopping centres.
I appreciate that this video acknowledges that the wage gap is not caused by discrimination. However, it still maintains that women choosing lower paying jobs on average is a problem. Since when has making a choice that impact nobody but yourself been a bad thing?
it is not, shes just saying that women choose low paying jobs with short hours because of children.
Still not a problem or an injustice.
Oscar Binning
read.
ArcDuc Ah, I took your meaning to be that is not what she is saying.
You think there isn't a societal problem that hurts women more than men, when almost half of all households have the majority of childcare responsibilities put on the mother? (That's for both parents working full time!!!) While the analysis was good, I think they actually cop out in this video. Yes more flexible hours would help, but if men and women took a more equal share in taking care of children, then more flexible hours would benefit both men and women equally.
I understand this argument and think it's valid at a lot of points, but dang you missed the major point that the wage gap DOES NOT take into account anything but the MEDIAN WAGES. That's it. Not job, economic status, work time and hours. Literally just the median wage. Sigh
There’s been other studies that look at gaps within the same exact job, or even down to one specific company. And they all still find women are payed less, even if you control for per hour, education, and the exact job. These inequalities tend to get bigger when it comes to higher end jobs.
@@opal5149 cite them u primitive human being
@@opal5149 never cited 😭
@@opal5149 also waiting for source
@@opal5149 Really? Where can one find these studies?
Illogical individuals are always leaning towards the idea that “Correlation is Causation”; that is not always true. I find it ironic how the only prominent causation they linked the pay-gap towards was discrimination rather than the fact they simply don’t work as much + additional factors 😂
“The more people eat ice cream the more they drown”
@@Djnightmare14 what kind of ice cream?
@@danthaman03 it is a study that shows that ice cream sales and drowning have a high correlation, does it mean that ice cream causes drowning?… no it means that in the summer time, both are more likely to happen. A good look at the idea of causation and correlation.
@@Djnightmare14 ok thanks for clearing that up.
I was actually wondering if there was a particular flavor of ice cream in question.
They didnt compare actual jobs. Just years after they graduate.
Years after graduation is better example than jobs
@Undead EAS Productions But that is the point. Why are women not in those jobs that are payed more? What is the reason? Biology? Or could it be their socialization?
smoothy no that’s dumb
@@blimeygirl4357 that's a woman personal choice.....cmon
@@blimeygirl4357 because women are too busy making sandwiches to get a good job
I would suggest staying out of the comment section, fellow video viewer. Lot's of fuckery going on down there.
I'd suggest that too, feminists everywhere with dumb conclusions...
Feminism 101: If someone says something you don't like, just complain about it until someone censors their freedom to say things you don't like.
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You mean "down here". People can't read your comment if they aren't in the comment section.
the wage gap is a myth because it's just the median wage of men and women.
- every anti-fem in the comments.
What I understood from this:
1. The gap decrease when women get older.
2. Gap is more when women are in late 20s and 30s.
3. Gap is more for women with kids. Mostly because of addition of family responsibilities.
4. Jobs in different sections have different results. Gaps in science and tech very small and men and women earn almost equal.
Business shows more gap.
Three types of works are there, one, flexible times, two, fixed times and three availability at particular times. The first two does not cause any problem, the 3rd one makes a section of women to choose between family and work.
Conclusion:
wage gap exists but between a certain age period and a type of work and work requirements.
Family and work life balance and sharing of responsibility and choices plays a role in the gap.
Possible Solutions:
Making working hours more flexible or fixed if and wherever possible.
(I think, choosing career where it compliments ones personal life choices also seems important but obviously it depends on what someone gives or in some cases feels pressured to give more importance to)
Sharing family responsibilities more equally with more mutual understanding and family support.
Seems nice💕.
Did I miss anything?🤔
Thanks, was looking for this
Business world is competitive , just in one Week one of the biggest German Companies went from "everything is ok to Bankruptcy". How do you expect a flexible or fixed working hour model to solve that sudden change? 2008 Financial crisis in a matter of a month everything were upside down. Only that month the meetings in every company to plan a strategy were more than 8 hours. Tell me how you expect that kind of Mass in working hours can be just like that distributed?
Pay gap theory would be a fact if you had for the same hours, for the same Qualifications different Incomes. But your Solution is just ......Fairy Tale
@@erwtokritoskornaros1787 did you miss "if and wherever possible"? There are many business fields, so solutions may depend on that, there can be other solutions which govt, experts and employers can work out. Anyway it's not my solutions, watch the video again for details. Btw, many things that exist today was a fairy tale in past.
Thanks, was looking for this out the thousands comments of people who didn’t even bother watching the video.
Woah!! Thanks lot. Simply and crisply explained 🙂
Equal pay act of 1963 has entered the chat
all the dislikes are those who dont like hearing facts
word
Cant wait for all the cry babies to downvoted
All of the comments saying it doesn't exist when the video literally explains how and why it exists
just the way she speaks, makes me wanna slap that bitch's mouth shut.
It exists, but it's mostly because of women halting career progression by choosing to have kids, or by choosing lower paying jobs. That isn't to say that discrimination doesn't occur, but it's an incredibly small effect on the issue.
Until the age of 35, women are payed more than men on average and have a 2:1 chance compared to men of getting a job in STEM fields. Totally equal right? No.
Sadly its true
Don't forget women are more likely to get into college.
mobile.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/science/bias-persists-against-women-of-science-a-study-says.html?_r=0
Do you have academic sources for this?
I guess you all didn't hear about the experiment in sweden where the govt actively tried to get more women in STEM. Didn't work. Why? They didn't want STEM jobs, they wanted jobs that made them happy, money wasn't the issue.
I like how this video doesn’t just blame the gap on “oppression” or the “patriarchy.” Rather, it gives a few examples of the natural circumstances that lead to the gap. By identifying the real, practical reasons for the gap we can fix it better, instead of getting into a heated political debate.
Yes beside from the simple fact that the very phrase "wage gap" itself is a blatant lie. By the admission of this video itself it is an earnings gap. The very idea that it somehow needs fixing is also rooted in an egalitarian ideological framework.
Women getting payed less shouldn't be questioned anyways tho.
They live in our world they go with our rules.
@@N.I.A23 no they don't.
Patriarchy is real though....it was only in 1974 in the US that a woman was able to have a bank account of her own ! 1974 !
@@peterparker9954 yes and we don't live in 1974. You mean it WAS real
Doesn't anyone realise that the fact that more women would refuse to date a man who earns less than her, pushes him to earn more? Men tend to have different preferences towards women
Pickle juice They can get pregnant and be out of work, thats shy
I wonder what kind of woman you are dating, or have dated. 🤔
All women have dated a least one broke guy in her life, loved him unconditionally, and was left empty handed by him. Mistakes = Lesson learned.
If men weren't deadbeat about taking household and domestic duties, then women would not have divorced their husbands breaking families apart and putting more pressure on single moms
@@FIyingDumplingMen love women unconditionally. Not women. Also women don't love Men with less money.
So the wage gap is not a women issue really it's a working hours and flexibility of particular jobs issue.
As well as an imbalance in who looks after kids :)
its not a issue at all. if you want to make more dont get kids. if you want to make more work more, negotiate more....
adding flexible hours in some works cant be done and would add extra cost so doesnt work
its not a issue at all. if you want to make more dont get kids. if you want to make more work more, negotiate more....
adding flexible hours in some works cant be done and would add extra cost so doesnt work
Tuomas Hirvonen its an issue that women do more parenting than the men
This is Kai is it? women naturally are more towards parenting its in their genes. like i get that men who want parenting are allowed it that`s a problem but women who want more parenting and if you have a man who doesn`t want the parenting then its fine, isn`t it?
This is literally what Milo Yiannopolous has been saying for sooooo long...
Yiannopoulos*
You didn't need to correct that. No one would've known anyways
so true
+brad garza you just took his words out of context, why he was just completing milo and made it to be a full rant, damn your an idiot
+AKAMrWobbels Agreed. most people pride themselves on being right about at least something. Even hateful negative people can be right about a thing or two.
You legit debunked your own video
Woman pay more attention to kids
And males are more likely to do overtime because they are seen as the provider
I don't think they did. They simply argue that the gap exists for reasons other than straightforward, outright legally defined discrimination. That a gap exists for a different reason does not make it not exist.
I think there was a Harvard study that people use a lot when they want to "debunk" the wage gap that points this out pretty well, dunno if it's the same one referenced in the video. In it, it's mentioned that men tend to take up longer hours and more dangerous jobs, and more women in labor fields with fluctuating hours tend to be given/take less overtime and so on. Or they tend to stay at home to raise the chill'uns and such, which is, of course, not going to make money usually.
This doesn't debunk the wage gap, and it's silly to say it does. It just means that the wage gap exists for other reasons than legally defined discrimination. if I would hazard a guess, i would point to toxic social prescriptions placed upon both men and women, like being expected to "win the bread" for the family unit, or being expected to stay at home and raise the chilluns, which isn't usually a money earner. If we want to combat said gap, we as people need to examine those reasons at large and see what can be done, rather than sticking to factually incorrect arguments. Gendered expectations are, after all, something we grow up expected to live by, and they shape how we see the world pretty strongly.
Doge Guy and then boys get an attitude
You know stay-at-home dads are a thing right? It depends on the person's relationship and beliefs on who is going to care for the child/children and who is going to work and provide for the family
@@rigojr3935 Men work overtime and woman take care of kids. Quite simple really
@@rigojr3935 can you point me to these studies?
The company doesn't care what extra efforts you do at home they pay you for what you can get for them
How to join the STEM field (as a woman):
1.) Be a woman
2.) Be interested in STEM
3.) Get into STEM
How to join the STEM field (as a man):
1.) Be a man
2.) Be interested in STEM
3.) Get into STEM
you missed the fact that many colleges/universities are almost begging women to go into STEM. offering huge grants or scholarships as an incentive and after college the affirmative action issue arises. Hiring a woman for a job can lead to tax breaks instead of hiring a man. If you are a minority woman and a veteran than you can almost be guaranteed a job since you are a jackpot of check boxes that needs to be marked off for things like government incentives or tax breaks. Basically if you are a straight white male than you are starting from a point of disadvantage.
+Archangel Gaming But as a straight white male you could still get into the field with the right qualifications. So my earlier comment still stands
Not as easily as minorities or women. My resume must stand head and shoulders above an affirmative action hire to justify hiring me instead of getting a tax break. I know this since my ex was a hiring rep and worked HR for the better part of 12 years. So it's not just anecdotal
Did you know that in the Stem field, 71 percent of women are sexually harassed?
Blurry Birb what does that have to do with his point
Please notice how the graph has three categories, "business, science, technology"
No physical labor.
Because they don't care that 90% of workplace deaths are men.
Close that gap.
The reason it's so high is because us women have been told we can't or shouldn't do those jobs
Jolie Shultz no one says women shouldn’t go for those jobs, just women don’t go for those jobs
Jolie Shultz show me one person who has said that DIRECTLY TO SOMEONE.
Hurlz it’s more social factors that contribute to that. It may not feel that way or directly be stated, but that doesn’t mean it’s not happening. Society is still a very big part of inequality or equal opportunity. To say that being equal under the law is to fix everything would be childish at best. Also women still aren’t technically equal as we, the U.S., still haven’t passed the ERA.
Theo Hall I’m sure it’s been said by someone. You can’t disprove or prove her argument here. Not sure why you commented what you did. Also it’s not really a blatant sexist thing, but rather a cultural norm. It would be kind of strange for people who have been following traditions and cultures to suddenly do a 180 on everything they know because of equality under the law. Which of course isn’t even equality. We still haven’t passed the ERA...
there’s literally only one thing people miss. if women got paid less, consistently, nobody would hire men. ever
A little known thing as subconscious discrimination and sexism
@@kehindehopkins6933 well that's not really viable since its literally illegal to pay women different than men just because they are woman
@@CarTM it’s not a new concept buddy
@@kehindehopkins6933 there isn't 🤣
From most studies I’ve read through, the data seems to always point towards childbirth. Most women have to take quite a few weeks off because of this phenomena, so when they return, their income tends to lessen compared to if they didn’t. Therefore, one of the easier ways to end the wage gap, is to give paid family leave to the mothers and fathers, so the wages don’t decrease upon the parents return to work. This will also add a much healthier relationship between fathers and their children, and take the edge off of the average working class wife, who has to return to their job after giving birth, to realize her salary has just dropped compared to their coworkers.
While that is true, it isn't fair to pay someone to have a child and not work, and not only that, pay them just as much as someone who IS working. At some point, I think people need to understand that the wage gap isn't going to change, an that it doesn't even need to change as there is no gap between a man and a women in the EXACT SAME circumstance. The true wage gap doesn't exist, and the one where it takes the median incomes of men and women is simply not an issue.
@@2006_HondaCivic well it's that or giving out mother bonuses to everyone. Either way the only way you lose is if you dont
@@2006_HondaCivic wow this makes so much sense
@@2006_HondaCivic well than people will stop to have children that’s exactly what’s happening to youth of today in Europe for example, if people can’t provide for their kids and if having kids will make them earn less or not earn at all society will crumble after all elderlies will be the majority
@@ifinallyfoundoutaname6656 Worker-Class-Struggles were amazingly covered by Second Thought and Some More News.
I will spam-this-comment-here in the hope to reach more people; hope im understood and not ignored for this practice.
Who the hell makes 400k $ in a year? That were over 30k a month! And why am I the only one in the comments asking this?
That can’t be everyone who goes to business school I highly doubt it. Of course I could be wrong. Anyway I’m hopping on this comment kinda late lol
Dan Schmidt oh yeah I believe that for sure. But I think the video was referring to ppl only a few years out of college.
@@chevywoods6084 Actually a Managing Director at an investment bank (which is the position before Partner and then Executive Team) can make that amount. Even a VP if they are at an elite highly productive and industrious can take home total 400k including bonus. You don't have to be a Partner or CEO at a corporate firm to make mid to high six figures. The levels for those Partner and CEO jobs are in the millions.
Fake news, most can't even get jobs
People who use correct grammar.
Maybe the fact that it doesn't exist?
How about you maybe watch the video and try to learn something ?
so you just choose to ignore all research that has been done?
+awe1507 yes but the people that argue on this talk about American wage.
It does exist, but not because of "patriarchal oppression of female employees", but rather because of other factors that the video laid out pretty well. Plus, the 79 Cents on the Dollar figure is very misleading and shouldn't be used as a catchphrase without further explanation (as it unfortunately is most of the time)
+awe1507 don't worry he's just a troll who almost certainly did not watch this video nor was he looking to engage in conversation. It exists in all societies but you're right, its so much harsher in countries like India, particularly when coupled with slow bureaucracy, poverty and sometimes corruption.
Flexible hours also help with mental health and stress! This is a great goal to work towards for everyone.
good lets use big government to force every company to give flexible hours. and when the company goes bankrupt lets all blame men
"which makes sense considering what happens to women in their 20s and 30s" - they literally spelled out right there what is going on...
And then completely ignored it.
Yep. That was kind of the whole point of the video. Glad you caught that.
If I was a business manager and/or owner, I would set an hourly wage, and pay everyone based on the hours they worked. Wait, I think thats how it already works...
Thx for summarising thins video
Except single people regardless of sex have some of or all of the same issues so your point is still pointless
NPC# 5626718304839 pretty much...
@Michelle Le Music Its not always about how many hours they work; I could sit down and do nothing for 6 hours and then someone can do double that and get paid the same, productivity is also a factor
@Michelle Le Music I would love to see the difference in productivity between able and disabled people
1:11 unless I need to retake basic mathematics, I believe that 250,000 is not 60% less than 400,000 but okay
Probably meant 60% of 400k.
You need to find a calculator.
@@VV-cy3nw yep, seems like a simple mistake in the script that went unnoticed.
Yeah, it's 60% of, not 60% less (which would be 40% of)
Danification
Nah pretty sure 0.6x4x10^5=
240000. 62.5% of 4x10^5= 250000.
Google tried doing a study for its own employees and found out women make 106¢ for every $1 a man makes
This video used the basic flaw of the wage gape statistic that debunks it and used it to try to prove the wage gap. Not surprised tbh.
what's the flaw?
Women on average work less hours and less paying jobs and put their family first its not the mens fault women would rather care for their family their whole logic is flawed
Its vox
@@parsathagreat8933 it sounds like you are saying caring is bad
@@aperson3951 from a companys perpective it is. The less time your employes work, the less money you make, so you have to pay them less to make up for it
Am I the only one who is rather confused why the fact that the U.S. is the only developed nation that doesn't mandate paid maternity leave, wasn't included in this video?
Because pay gap myth and maternity leave are completely different things. If anything, paid maternity leave would raise a woman's earnings overall and close the earnings gap a little.
But you did not address his comment that why should society be forced to pay for a woman's choice? I would like to read your opinion on that.
Slippery Stairs A. Having a child is a choice. Being pregnant isn't. That's biology and until we can literally grow babies in beakers that's going to stay that way. This system penalizes women for their biology. Men don't absolutely have to take of time from work if they decide to procreate. Women do. It's a medical necessity. Not to mention how the babies food source is literally attached to a woman's body and that whole crazy scientific fact that bonding in infancy with your mother is tantamount to developing a healthy psyche as an adult.
B. Again, literally all other developed nations have paid maternity leave. If you want me to accept the narrative that paid maternity leave hurts women, please link me some data. Even if that was the case, here's a solution; a policy many countries have already implemented: Mandated paid paternity leave. Doesn't matter who you hire, if they have a kid, they have the right to take those days.
D. Society already de facto pays for women's choice not to reproduce. It's not a situation where have a kid or don't nothing changes, but now we want to subsidize one of the two choices. Women in the U.S., especially women who are poor or just middle class, are very clearly being penalized for having kids. And holy hell some of the stories floating around out there. Some women go back to work the day after delivering so they can spend time with their newborns after they get out of the ICU. That's insane.
And btw, think about the long term ramifications of this: Poverty always leads to more kids. The only people you're discouraging from reproducing is well educated, successful women and those are the exact people you want reproducing.
Jacob Star I just got around to it, enjoy the read.
Jacob Star
While women having children is a choice, if women don't do it then our society will literally fall apart. Consider federally paid maternity leave a form of investment. The investment is in a 'growing resource' that will one day become a valuable asset to whatever business you run or work for that would otherwise inevitable fail due to the lack of this resource.
Now if people would just start calling the gap what it is. EARNINGS gap. not wage. earnings is how much you earn in a period. wage is how much you make per hour.
Chris Smith but how would that suit the propaganda
So THERE IS a wage gap, just not one that came from discrimination... dude, if you are going to make an analysis, go all the way.
Joseph CroenianGamer Are you assuming that women were willing to move just as far as men to find work? Are you assuming women are equally willing to be alone in a new city that they know nothing about and know no one? Further, are we assuming in this study, that women and men made equal grades at college? I just feel like you are assuming allot. And I think you should look at this issue from another angle.
i agree the entire argument around the wage gap is stupid it's an insane stat that means absolutely nothing and only gets trotted out when a snowflake notices they are losing an argument the saddest thing is everyone just takes it as fact cause were taught it in school i remember thinking thank god i was born a man i was actually surprised when i applied for jobs and there wasn't a different rate of pay for both genders
Sorry to burst your bubble but it's not even an earnings gap. It's a nonexistent gap.
If only feminism hadn't bullied women into believing that working for family who love you is demeaning - but working for corporations who couldn't care less about you is empowering.
Couldnt agree more. It’s like if a Women now a days decides to spend her life raising her kids it’s wrong.
This is why paternal leave is important 👍🏾
Maternal leaves more important.
Nah they bring in no revanue they get no pay
@@htoodoh5770 why is maternal leave more important
Scientists have flexible hours...?
Are you insane..?
Most scientists work their asses off over hours, they barely have time to do anything else.
Just because we work a lot doesn't mean our hours aren't flexible.
@@elliotkamper they really aren’t . I don’t know where you work but if your hrs are flexible clearly there isn’t much work
Dude fr I work in a science field and I’ll see emails from my higher ups at like 2 in the morning asking me to check on something. One of my coworkers was even criticized by a higher up for daring to take a week long vacation when results were needed, even when said coworker had been working without any breaks for 2 years...
In short, the field can be brutal.
i think they meant that their hours were inconsistent, sometimes working a lot in a day and sometimes working A LOT
Thank you. I worked as a Chemist for 4 years. On average I put in 70hrs/week in my lab. I earned salary. No free time to speak of.
I quit and left science entirely. I teach now (private lessons) and have so much free time compared to what I used to.
Soooo the pay gap doesn’t exist.
David Nall Basically. It just boils down to hours worked and choice of job.
David Nall it exists, becausemany women focus more on family
The video points out that a wage gap **does** exist tho. Right out the gate from business school women are taxed 15K during their first year, compared to men. And even women pharmacists make 8% less than men for no good reason. Both those are less severe than the 72/100 gap that's talked about, but they're both still real (and there are real dumb reasons why women-dominated professions are under-valued).
Miguel Valencia It has been my experience that most women, never go out by themselves. Let alone move someplace where they know no one, and nothing about.
roy romano no, women also migrate, at last in Europe
Women don't want to work the long hours that men work. Women don't make the same choices when it comes to careers as men make. I know so many women who qualify as doctors, lawyers, accountants, architects, city planners, etc work hard for 10 or so years then get married and freely choose to stop working and have kids. They're sick of the long hours and the total commitment needed. Not criticizing them for that, it's freedom of choice but you need to train far more people in these fields to make up for the fact that women do this. One story from a hospital: an operation needed to be performed but couldn't go ahead because the anaesthetist was a woman and had to collect her kids from day care and her shift had ended anyway so she was going home. So someone missed out on their operation because she was 'inflexible' about her hours.
So...why didn't you include other factors such as:
1. Men on average work 5-6 hours more a week them women.
2. Men on average work more overtime or stay late.
3. Men take less time off.
4. Men are much more likely to ask for a promotion/raise.
Also I like how you kinda glossed over the fact that women get pregnant...but ya thats a thing. A pretty major one at that.
"Also I like how you kinda glossed over the fact that women get pregnant...but ya thats a thing. A pretty major one at that." Right. That's why countries that provide paid parental leave have a smaller wage gap
@@AmaliaKZ the feminist is here
@@AmaliaKZ I'm not sure if paid parental leave is within the definition of a "Wage"
"both worked full time"
full time could mean anything from 35 to 80 hours per week
No, working 35 and 80 hours a week is not the same. Feminists complain women make "79 cents per dollar.' However, they remain mum on the fact that men work more hours. When you complain about that and demand that it is illegal for men to work more than women, then I will get behind your "wage gap" fantasy.
Joel Perez Kristy's point was that 35 hours and 80 hours are both categorized as "full time", one of which is probably making OT.
You make wage Gap debunking look tribalistic and inconsiderate.
EXAMPLE:Suzie & Brad both have a wage of $30/hr. Both worked 8 hours however Brad worked an extra 2 hours over time (Australian overtime rate 1.5) where as Suzie went home to tender to her family. For working 10 Hours Brad was payed $330, Suzie however was payed $240. Brad EARNT an extra $90 but both have the same wage of $30/hr.DOES EVERYONE UNDERSTAND NOW>?
Phoenix Brothers Gaming learn English. And btw that makes no sense, you just pulled numbers out your arse buddy.
9-5. It's not a hard concept.
Wow finally a video designed to make *everyone* mad
Jason Castro-Revoredo ehh I’m not mad. Guess their design failed huh? Why does this video make, or at least try to make you mad?
Caden CeeW Incels would be upset at the acknowledgement of any wage gap, feminists would be upset at this data reflecting that the wage gap is exaggerated
@@jasoncastro-revoredo6407 you're just speaking facts. lol
It’s all fun and games till the ships start sinking.. Equality goes right out of the window.
Haha Bill Burr?
😂 ayo these women probably don’t know what you meant
its easy to be a strong and independent woman, in a world built by men
Bill burr
Wait icecream testing is a job
Im in
Nicholas Ananda
jellyfish flavored icecream
Nicholas Ananda I did it for 5 years. It gets old fast
At what age are we allowed to test ice cream and get pay?
Sounds like a cool job.... sorry, lol.
My wife was an icecream tester. It does get old fast.
Wow I am actually really glad to see a left wing media outlet producing a story with a balanced view. It makes me sad to see how often the news is polarized by either being liberally biased or conservatively biased. Politics haven't always been so polarized. When my parents were kids people couldn't always see the difference between a Republican and a Democrat. But if we start taking a bipartisan look at things, the way as I feel this video has, then I think problems can begin to be solved.
Jiminy Christmas To be honest...wages and earnings by definition have no veritable differences..
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Jiminy Christmas a wage gap doesn’t exist, but you are more likely to be promoted if your a man, which explains the statistic. Also getting hired to do the job that pays more adds to it. There is of course still discrimination, and we need to work on fixing it, but it’s not how it’s described.
A. W. Or it’s a possibility that it’s easier to hire a man to do more because women are more than likely to have children than men. It’s like if the promotion requires long hours and you rarely get to see your family, unless the woman is overqualified for the position than they’re more likely going with the man
Sorry, I’m a small child from Canada, so I don’t know what the term “left winged” means, if somebody could define it for me it would be greatly appreciated, I’m too fat and lazy to google it
Wouldn’t companies only just hire women if they could pay them less than men
Efficiency. Then again that loses some value when you don't pay as much evening it all out
There's stats that proves women are likely to be more compassionate and obedient because society taught them to be and there's men in power who want to continue this cycle of obedient women towards men and choose other men to rule over them, an example of something similar are inmigrants, they earn less but companies Will never hire just inmigrants, because they want someone to rule over them, and for sure inmigrants are most obedient
I mean with the system that we have it's impossible to ever get to a discussion about the wage gap. I'm not a woman, I don't know what it's like in the workplace as a woman, I'm still a student I haven't even worked before. If you go on the internet and look for studies you will find what satisfies your agenda, but you won't necessarily find things that accurately show the practical lives of women in the workplace unless you actually go through women to women telling everyone that they are experiencing all sorts of discrimination which are relatively unique to women. Men have their own problems, they're treated awfully in dangerous work, they don't even get the proper care they need when injured, they work longer hours and are even pressured at times to do so to the point where they want to do so. A system in place to ensure that both men and women are paid the same for the same positions of the same jobs with the same level of commitment should be in place everywhere and there is really no denying that. I couldn't care less about labels such as Feminists or Mens Rights Activists, I care about the truth whether or not it challenges my own deeply held beliefs. It's really hard to face them, but you have to do it or others and yourself will suffer.
this is facts. people in the comments want to massively over simplify a very complicated and multi-faceted issue that isnt as simple as saying "its an earnings gap not a wage gap".
i know i’m late but i don’t even know what to argue anymore.
isn't it illegal to pay women less than men ?
It's not a factor of being paid less but a factor of earning less. Two separate topics all together.
+Aden Journée It's illegal to pay a woman less JUST because she is a woman.
Also, If it was true, bosses would only employ women as they would save money by doing that. That would result on lots of men being unemployed.
Less men employed but being paid more and more women employed but being paid less so the statistics of what both sexes earn would tend to an equilibrium.... in a free market
If you legislate it the whole equilibrium falls apart, and it would have the same effect that minimum wage laws, unemployent
***** any reasonment backing your afirmation?
And... maybe what you say is true, I didnt deny it, but it´s reasonable to expect that as freer the market, smaller the gap.
Its also illegal to rape a person. If you do a quick google search you will see that rapes still occur.
For a wage gap to exist you have to look at specific data. Same job, same work ethic, same hours, same tasks, same everything. Jobs are not all the same, jobs do not demand the same anything, people will not put in the same effort into there jobs. These will all create differences in pay. Woman choose to take the jobs they choose, woman choose to work the amount they choose to work, woman choose to work or not to work. Just the same as men.
No, no. They do exactly the same work hours with exactly the same qualifications.
Companies are just patriarched into to paying men 33% extra for no benefit.
Keep telling yourself that
Dude...
Why would companies pay men an additional 33% extra for no benefit
Vio then they would ONLY hire women
Wage gap in ten seconds:
John worked 10 hours and got $100
Sally worked 8 hours and got $80
Go to war, that's what I'm counting on.
@@Dimitris_Half Because she is taking care of a child.
@@Dimitris_Half It's a choice between a married couple to decide who will spend more time to help raise the child. On average, it's the mother. You can't blame a mother's love for a child.
@@Dimitris_Half James is single and Sally wants to get married when here age cross 25 because she is more insecure
@Requiem Real mature.
@@Dimitris_Half if she has so much problem then she should not married or should chose a man who are ready to quit job and take care of children
Wage gap: *exists*
Debunking statistics: how many times do we have to teach this lesson, old man?
The future is now, old man
he was probably working
Earnings =/= wage
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This isn't discrete structures...you dont need to pretend to be pedantic to create imaginary missing details based on word choices...
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... there are multiple things wrong with that.
So name one of them.
Earnings which is a SUM does not equal the PAY RATE is what you failed to understand with that simple phrase. @Jackson Joestar
They forgot about taking into account different job positions, as well as the fact that it's illegal to pay a woman less.
Yeah, because nobody would break the *law*!
they definitely take into account positions, each dot on that graph of jobs had to be to represent women and men of the same position or the wage gap wouldnt have lessened. Unless you mean the fact that women take different jobs than men but that shouldn't affect the point of this video. They also dont need to mention the illegality of paying women less because they show the pays getting closer so it's implied that steps are being taken to solve this issue, and that just happens to be one of them.
What is odd (and sad) is that the bimbo in this video stated that women do take lesser payi8ng jobs by choice. And still has the gaul to call it a wage gap
@@wumbology8421 laws are typically enforced though...
It's illegal to hire undocumented immigrants, but here we are ! We have a lot of illegal immigrants working all around us !
Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it isn't practiced
*Does the NBA pay black players more than white players? If Yes, is the NBA racist, or are the black players doing a much better job? It is really not that complicated.*
facts
What
So because I work 40 hours and my sister works 32 hours I'm an evil person because I make more?
Where in the video does it imply that...?
@@communityEsc everywhere bruh just watch it
No, you're evil for entirely different reasons.
@Syed Shah no its not you are so ignorant!!
@@mishelshepelevsky4372 Depends a lot, feminism as in the original movement was not like that. But the interpretation of many modern feminists would be exactly like that
I don't think there is any problem with a wage gap, as long as yhr choices that lead to that wage gap are free choices made by workers.
I'd agree. The problem is, in some cases it's *not* a free choice.
korppi164 Women's wages also pan out equal to men's getting smaller later in life due to an increase in - Divorce!
A Stand Statistics for that?
To use just one example: single mothers abandoned by their partners. Childcare requirements hinder careers, and as the video explains, industries which have more flexible working arrangements are better for women and have a lower gap.
PavarottiAardvark But yeah, that is true.
first year out of college making 130k a yr on average, especially for business majors, where the hell does that come from lol
Women also negotiate a lot less.
Business majors make bank if you go to the right school.
You didn't go to the right college, lol.
I didn't either *CryEmoji*
MBA graduates from University of Chicago - sounds about right
What school can I go to and make that much after graduating from?
so women should find jobs can work flexible hours instead of asking men to take their own responsibility for the family?
Apparently. The responsibility gap is still a serious problem. Women can't spend more time at work, therefore doing a "better job" as the detractors love to point out, if they have virtually all the responsibility at home. So what if he's tired from working all day. So is she. He pays the bills, the taxes, the mortgage, puts food on the table. Big deal. So does she. If she's paying the rent, it's her castle as well. Valar dohaeris. No one is an exception. :)
I've had this conversation with many young mothers and 9 out of 10 would not trust the fathers (perfectly capable men) to take care of the kids, at least not better than they would. So it's not just a matter of taking responsibility if one is not willing to entrust that responsibility to another.
BillyViBritannia seems more like a social thing than blaming one side of another. This is a society that many people have grown up in, and experienced before and after equality under the law. Even when they have, many societal and economical things still translate over from later time periods. I would like to assume that this video is hoping to point out that there are cultural biases that are affecting men and women on both sides. It just seems that women, as has been historically true, are taking the brunt of that conventional tradition.
Edit: forgot to say women still aren’t totally equal under the law yet. Still haven’t passed the ERA. One day though!
Maybe women see men need to work more hours
It's really depends on what each woman wants. If u wanna focus on raising kids find flexible jobs, if you prefer having your husband raising them as well, just demand it to him.
If women were really payed less, then why dont employers employ more women because they’re cheaper
Men should take on more "mothering roles" and they also should get the same rights as a woman in custody disputes.
preach it!
If men are expected to take on the mothering roles then women should paint the house, shift roof tiles, fix the car and do mens part. :-)
Except most men do not want to take on "mothering roles" and most women do.
+Enclave Soldier is that supposed to be hard? I'm a college students and I'm doing all that for my mom. So pretty sure I'll have no problem doing those for myself in the future.
+CapTrainT Exactly. And women do not want to work as hard as men when it comes to jobs. Hence they make less
The wage gap is simply the difference in behavior and interest among men and women in very wide population samples. Unless the individual is discriminated against, or limited, I don't see why we should try to fix something which is only a result of peoples' free choices.
The "solution" would be to trade individual freedom for a 50-50 equity number that looks good on paper, but doesn't actually make anyone happier. Sounds like a double loss for everyone.
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No problem is that those free choices are not made purely because women want such things, women are pressured to do unpaid work and prioritize their family! Also there is the biological difference which makes women lose their careers (pregnancy) so it is better to do something, but that something is certainly not forcing businesses to pay women more
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Honestly I think the wage gap takes away the conversation about actual antifeminist problems because we’re focusing on a non-problem that was already fixed when the law made it illegal to pay women and children less.
If we wanna talk about antifeminist problems in work like societal expectations, mistreatment, maternity leave, we should just talk about that.
hi cliccy
I’m about to end this video
Men work longer hours
Women's hours: only 60 minutes
Men's hours: 80 minutes
Yup, men do work in longer hours
Skull Crusade343 where u got them numbers from
@@mazuki7602 Well, being a man myself, I concluded that I do work longer hours. I timed myself with two phones, one set to ring after an hour, and one counting up. Then when the timer rang I checked and saw it was 80 min, turns out men are in a hyperbolic-time-chamber.
Well on average there are going to be outliers
@@skullcrusade3436 nearly 25% more and that is the wage gap's porcentage
Men get jailed 4.5 times more than women. Time to put more women in jail.
Yeah, I've noticed that the wage gap only seems to exist in more high paying jobs. Like, a female barista and a male barista both likely make a standard wage set by the company. But, once they start climbing the ladder and things start getting more subjective - that's when women tend to get short changed. Part of it is I think women are often afraid to negotiate for a better deal for worry that they'll be perceived as bossy greedy and/or entitled or fear of being fired. I think employers take advantage of that and give women a lower standard rate for men. I know my aunt went for a job her male friend had turned down over wage disagreements - and she was offered thousands of pounds less from the offset for the same position. It was still a promotion from her previous position so she took it, but she should have pushed at least until she reached the initial offer made to her male colleague. She didn't find out until after she took the job that she had been shortchanged though.
So it's not discrimination and it's not my gender's fault, is what you're saying.
generic human well, it was discrimination that my aunt was offered less in the first place and it's men that are in the position to solve the problem but choose not to to save money - but no, it's not men as a whole.
Sounds like a clear cut case of discrimination to me, why didn't you take it to court? There are PLENTY of lawyers that would work for free on a case like that.
+RL Gill I don't think they are obligated to offer your aunt the same amount as another candidate. Their qualifications may have been different, and there are countless other variables to consider when it comes to salary.
Fundamentally money is less central to a woman's self and public perception. Hence they often choose not to push as hard for higher salaries. They are often more interested in landing the job. I find that women also often take fewer risks and are less willing to face rejection (hence why fewer women ask for promotions/raises or run for office).
At the end of the day men and women are more often partners as opposed to adversaries. They work together and support each other.
Neither party is a victim of the other by default.
It's less companies taking advantage of it, and more women not taking advantage of it. For example, say you apply to a job. You should research the average pay, and ask for a proper pay, not just take what they give you, they're going to give you a low amount. They'll usually give you a higher pay if you ask for it too, because it means you did your research without being asked to, and shows initiative. It's been shown that women don't do this, they're not aggressive with asking for pay raises, promotions, etc... There's also maternal leaves. Men are three times as likely to work overtime, and women are twice as likely to work part-time. Adds up to men making a bit more.
If employers could get away with paying women less for doing the exact same job no one would ever hire men. People make exactly what they earn.
Employers might think that men have better skill set for the job. or they might even think that married women might take maternity leaves.
so that argument really depends.
+John Paul Samonte And who would know better than the employer who has that experience? Have you considered the possibility that they're right?
+MrFreeGman - Also, women supposedly underestimate themselves in the workplace. But what if THEY are right? The notion that women consistently underestimate themselves suggests that they are incapable to assess their own competence. Sounds pretty sexist to me.
+John Paul Samonte What +MrFreeGman said is true, but it's also true that the marketplace is full of mistaken assumptions that need rectification. However, the market also builds in a mechanism for correcting those misconceptions: profit.
If you believe that you've identified an industry where the employers have *mistakenly* assessed that men are preferable to women, well then you have an arbitrage opportunity that will make you money. Even better is that your discovery, if true, will make the world a better place for women *and men* alike!
Go for it!
This assumes we have an efficient market. If we had an efficient market and the correct people got the correct pay and the correct jobs. Donald Trump would not be president, Enes Kanter wouldn't make 10+ million a year, Jim Harbaugh would still coach the 49ers, Steve Jobs would not have been fired from Apple the first time, Yahoo would figure find a good CEO for the millions they pay instead of flipping them every year, baseball wouldn't have rated average higher than obp for 100 years, the EPA transition team leader would have a science degree. Do I have to go on?
i like how they always just show higher paying jobs .. and never ever just regular normal jobs ..
Some women literally think that they make less with the same job...
So there's no wage gap. Just an earnings gap. Employers aren't sexist. Maybe people will finally listen.
Brian Mbogo There was a Social Studies sub that was talking all about how we should all be worried about the wage gap and nobody in the class believed her bullshit
'Maybe people will finally listen' yeah good luck with that...
The wage gap doesn't tell us how long they've been working there, what they've done, or their productivity. It just tells us their wages.
Then the conversation should be about why women don't want to work in risky jobs like coal mining or construction. When the wage gap argument came around it was because of a super general study looking at raw wages. If one sex puts their life at risk more often then another they will get paid more to do so simple as that.
Another cause is that women tend to choose similar jobs and careers, meanwhile men are way more diversify, these creates a lot more workers that are needed in certain jobs, so the competence in those jobs rise and the salary of all those professionals is reduced.
Why women choose the same hobbies and careers? the answer is easy.. Culture inertia since religión times. Most religions did not allow women to do the same things that men did, they could not study, work in some jobs, or do almost nothing more than take care of their childs.. That is the gap you are looking for.
@jesse spence - Most men DO NOT work dangerous jobs and not all dangerous jobs habe danger pay (like roofers, ditch diggers, etc.). So, danger pay doesnt explain the gap in most cases. Also, this is dealing with gaps within the same job.
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But modern society is the very opposite and women are encouraged.
Alternative explainations; BIOLOGY, men are (on average) better at certain things because of their physiology and that includes certain brain functions. Women are better at other things, we are different by nature. This should not limit any individual but will show differences at a statistical level. Science should not be politically incorrect. Giving credit for men for something should not be politically incorrect either.
Other perspective: why would you choose harder, more dangerous jobs when you can have it easier because others will provide for you and not look at you primarily as you are your career achievements? Sounds like a colossal privilege.
Women were allowed to do almost any jobs. They most often didnt have to. Opression was no doubtedly a result of a strict society, but how we look at history from our modern comfortable perpective is incredibly one sided. Lots of things were inappropriate for women out of concern for them. Yet there were female rulers, scientists, blacksmiths, traders always, because when they had what it takes, they did it.
What you said has some truth on it , religions were/are restrictive to women, but to really look at who we are you need an evolutionary perspective, and also an emphasis on responsiblity and not just rights.
No women can be coal miners quite easily
In business if you're not available at those hours you're not doing a good job. It isn't as if the boss just gets that into his/her head. Part of your performance is to not drop the ball like not being there when needed.
Thing people don’t always consider:
- Women normally become SAHM, typically working less hours to accommodate this
- It assumed men would be more efficient and better at manual labour work
- Men are more likely to apply to jobs, knowing there not fully qualified for the position
I think it more as a earning gap than wage gap, and more people having to put themselves in position to earn more.
Women work less, take lower paying occupations, choose lower paying specialties, and have to raise kids. It makes sense, and nothing to change.
Exactly. There is nothing to fix.
There is a wage gap in between EVERYONE... the reason there is a gap is because everyone has different performances, different shifts and different attendances..... you can't be making the exact same amount of money as your coworker... if equal pay was actually a thing, people that have bad performances are going to be paid as much as a person that has good performance would get.... and I'm not necessarily saying that women have worse performance than men. One more thing.... I know a couple that worked in the same workplace, different shifts but were the same hours and in the same department, the lady makes about 200$ more than her spouse and I guess it's because he doesn't get things done sooooo.... yeah...
The pay gap is based on how much you're "promised" to earn in a year.
If you work less hours than somone else, that promise will not happen for you. Put that in a graph and it sure looks like someone is making 25 % less of what the promised . You're only going to make the promised top amount if you put you're all in.
42% of women out-earn their husbands/partners.
There are tree possible scenarios:
-both earning the same (33,33% chance)
-man earns more (33,33% chance)
-woman earns more (33,33% chance)
42% of women out-earn their husbands/partners.
I see what you are trying to say here but I think you made some bold assumptions.
What do you think is the margin that would make people answer this question with "we make about the same".
I doubt you would get this answer 33,33% of the time in a perfectly random and equally paying world.
To elaborate with an example:
You assume that in a world where the possibilities go from "men make 100% more" to "women make 100% more" those who have up to a 33,33% difference would say they make the same.
I doubt that.
If you can prove that women are underpaid even though they have: same job, same task, same employer, same hours, same years of experiences, same efficiency, same company, and the same productions, then I will believe in wage gap
But nobody can because it is illegal for a very long time.
Indeed, illegal things never happen. That's why no-one takes any illegal drugs and no-one ever gets a speeding ticket.
You don't get it. There is no gain for companies. They would get so huge fine and so big backslash from media and people, that it would ruin the company. It's not worth the risk
In december 2017 the UK Tax office named and shamed 260 companies that were illegally underpaying their staff. These things still happen.
260 companies don't create a 18% (or whatever the height in the UK) wage gap, for that to happen, ALL companies must underpaying (only) their female employees