Hidden Motorcycle Airbags in Backpacks and Jeans - Review
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- Опубликовано: 4 май 2024
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It’s in the bag - or is it? Or maybe it’s in the pants. And that’s the point really. The motorcycle airbag has been around for a few years now, but these new discrete airbags make safety more practical and less dorky.
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I’d boycott any motorcycle/clothing company that thinks forcing a subscription for gear or safety is acceptable.
They’re not forcing it. You can buy the software outright for $400 or subscribe for $12/month. After 3 years of subscribing, you can buy it for $99 and own it forever
vote with your money
@@quikboarder93 Or, go with the spirit of the original sentiment and tell *any* company that attempts to convince you that subscribing to your belongings rather than owning them can fuck right off.
@@quikboarder93 does the gear require the app to work or to periodically check in with the mothership, or will it work forever if you pay the outright price and never connect it to the internet ever again?
@@dirkmohrmann8960 If you pay the "outright" price (which is about as much as the other airbags cost), then it does not need to check in again. You may WANT to have it check in because it downloads algorithm updates to improve safety, but you don't have to. The subscription is just a method of getting an airbag with a much lower initial investment, in exchange for paying a little bit as you go.
Having to pay a subscription for your gear is actually insane
Klim deserves a massive middle finger for that one. That's incredibly money-grubbing on their part.
Even worse that it's SAFETY gear.
@@tonson5214totally agree. This is junk. $500 to "activate" ? Why does it need activation? Presumably it stops working when you dont keep your subscription going, and its SAFETY gear? wow. id never ever EVER even consider anything like this. Subscription models for almost anything suck.
@@ts757arse Trundling down the road, your phone dings an email notification that your credit card payment bounced and your subscription to "stayin alive airbag services" is paused. In the time it takes you to peek down at it a Nissan appears and turns you into a hood ornament. Sad pacman noises....
Not insane, just capitalism…
But yeah, pretty $hitty
I absolutely adore that Ryan is willing to shit on products in the name of safety. So many people are afraid to burn bridges in the review game that you end up with IGN type scores where an 8/10 is the worst game in existence
Not just in the name of safety but crazy expensive gear and accessories that aren’t worth it for most riders. 👍
Too many utubers suck up to freebies it’s sad esp motorcycles too scared of losing freebies
Hard agree.
It's rare in any industry to actually call out bad products.
Ryan (and Fortnine) is a gem!
@@roofaloof
He'd (they'd) be a gem by their cinematography alone but this makes a separation between goods and greats. 👌🏾
I don't agree with everything the channel does and certainly they go hard for the helite stuff, but I do think klim has taken a few seriously sketchy turns since Polaris bought them
Oh yeah... the suspense of whether your airbag service is active.
Klim seems to have taken "pay to not die" a bit too literally, making safety feel like a premium feature rather than a standard necessity. It's like they're saying, "Your protection is important to us, but continuous payments are even more so."
If you think your standard safety is a necessity then you better just drive a car.
@grantdubridge7995 or just get good gear.
It's like "your money, or your life". But that doesn't even work as a joke because that's literally what it is.
Im Almost tempted to buy one of these, just to figure out how to 'jailbreak' it.
@@grantdubridge7995what does that even mean??
Can we appreciate how good of an idea merging a proper backpack with a safety airbag is just awesome
Like really, we want to think less about our gear.
I am okay buying ultra durable Kevlar jeans, I need pants
Im okay spending 120$ on the ScorpionEXO, I need a jacket.
Gloves? sure why not.
boots? well I need them for work anyway
Helmet? This is the cost of riding
Airbag? dude how much do you want me to wear?
in a jacket? I still need to look good on my date.
on a backpack though, it gives me an excuse to have a backpack when I go to work. and because its something I use every day, I can justify a higher price.
I remember when all of the bike safety scolds were yelling at everyone not to wear backpacks, on the basis that they would inevitably cause spinal fractures and/or impalement by the contents in a crash.
Brilliant episode, as usual.
I’m taking my live into my own hands by only wearing a summer or winter riding suit, with insertable armor at the knees, shoulders, and elbows.
I’ve been down a couple of times. First one was when I was hit by an inattentive driver cutting across two lanes of traffic to make his exit from the freeway. He pegged me on the front tire, sending me sliding down the freeway with the bike doing likewise. I was scraped up, but basically O.K.
Second mishap was my own fault for trying to jump a curb at low speed, at an angle. The bike and I went down hard to the right, pretty much destroying my right shoulder as it hit the pavement with 450lbs of motorcycle pushing me down. Six months off work for rotator cuff surgery & recuperation.
I’m a daily freeway rider, and watch everything and everyone with a vengeance.
I've never been interested in airbags prior to this, but this is a product that intrigues me. I may have to invest.
Airbag backpacks have been a thing in avalanche safety for at least 10 years now probably longer. I'm surprised it took this long.
"The klim will get me sued"
I'll chip in for your legal fees, Ryan.
hell sign me up! Courage is so important; I love Ryan and a few other RUclipsrs for having the balls to call bullshit when its glaringly obvious!@@paigylou
We would all chip in to fund the mother of all counter-suits!
Great work on giving Klim a rev up, subscription service is a joke.
Get used to it because rumour has it that the whole automotive industry is heading that way. The bean counters like the idea.
@@robinwells8879 That's cool, it will give the aftermarket new niches to get into. Things like heated seats that some company was messing with subscriptions with? Yeah that's super easy to bypass with a $100 one time controller wired in.
if i pay for subscription i expect the hardware included AND a big old payout if it doesn't do its job (to go to either me or my next of kin)
@@John_Ridleyhadn’t thought about that. I like your thinking 😂
@@robinwells8879 Not if people choose products which don't require a sub. Don't be a bootlicker.
I want to note that yes, hips may not be connected to FATAL crashes, but we also wear wear gloves, no? Yet I don't see hands being specified to being a cause of death.
So don't see the pants as a anti-death safety, but perhaps a anti-permanent leg injury that makes you never ride a bike again safety.
Safety gear is more than death prevention, it's for injury prevention as well.
My neighbour is three skin grafts in and has half a dozen pins in his leg thanks to a twat in a Prius. His lower leg might still be in trouble, but his upper might be doing a lot better right about now if he'd had a set of those pants.
Good input! more facts... 98% survive a motorcycle accident with injuries and most of the injuries occurs to the lower body.
@@aaronleverton4221 hope he is doing better!
Agreed. A friend of mine had a major pelvis fracture - that’s permanently life altering.
It's the motorcyclist problem. Yes if you want to you could be completely safe, but that's slightly inconvenient so a lot of riders just go out with nothing but a helmet.
I am a trauma physician and motorcyclist. Wearing airbag protection is something I always practice. Torso protection is more important than lower extremities. Crash absorbing materials decrease impacts. Heart, liver, spleen, are examples of tethered water balloons that bounce around and twist with impacts. Extremities are essentially bones and muscles which tolerate impacts with less issues vs chest.
I own the turtle airbag. Great product. I would be interested in the backpack
@@Starship007 would the omitted part of the airbag in the backpack be a concern or is that not significant?
I've worked in shock/trauma as well. Now in an ER. I wholeheartedly agree that torso protection is more important, however in my experience, lower extremities need some love too. I know too many people (myself included) who have severely injured lower limbs on a bike and have it drastically affect quality of life. From purely a clinician standpoint, yes you're less likely to die from a leg injury. But a shattered femur or tibial condyle is going to make life less than fun.
Ever hear anything about pelvic protection? I feel like it’s not talked about enough because it’s so hard of a body part to protect, but the reality is a pelvic fracture (from impacting the gas tank, or ground in a crash) is a relatively common and deadly cause of motorcycle fatalities. Because there’s so much important vessels in there.
Or at least that’s what I’ve read, I’m not a doctor. I’d be interested to hear your input.
@@Username-2 Even if you're not in the bush it may end fast.
Buddy internally bled to death from multiply crushed pelvis by a truck's tire in Genua harbour after returning from N-African bike rallye w/his son. He directed him in their truck, the killer had no one for his semi/truck manoeuvring backwards after ferry transfer.
R.I.P. Thomas ~25y ago
The point about the backpack working for petite pillion passengers is appreciated.
Agree. For me, it is still 3x what I’m willing to pay but a really great option if you don’t mind the spend.
@@docford3635hopefully more will come out at a cheaper price. I'm not saying they're over charging but man $800 feels a bit much.
@docford3635 Understand that, but just wanted to mention how fast you can spend $800 in the E R.
@@danweyant4909That's why I never go to the ER. It's worked out so far.
@@docford3635 I just want to share my experience. I race motorcycles on track. I spent 900 on the Helite GP with some extra tethers and cartridges. After my first crash with the airbag I was amazed at how much less it hurt than my previous crashes. It was worth every penny. I'll be getting one of these backpacks for the street.
After fifty five years in the saddle, I’ve had two significant accidents. The first one I had my backpack filled with foam that was going to be used as filter medium in my pond. This accident was surprisingly luxurious. The next one unfortunately was life changing. I still ride.
For the second accident your backpack was full of nails that you had bought to build a scorpion enclosure. And it also had a bunch of scorpions. And two kilogrammes of weapons-grade uranium that you just happened to be carrying around that day.
@@Dipeshgiri7 Well friend, I am in a lot of pain. It’s been fifteen years, so I assume I’m not going to heal. All the best to you.
@@AshleyPomeroy lol, I know. The odds are virtually zero.
I'd bet you're a Real G, grandpa
@@AshleyPomeroy you could have been anything in this world and you chose to be a C U Next Tuesday. Wild 😂
Any day a new F9 video drops is a good day.
Always!
Honesty is honesty. Calling out garbage, ESPECIALLY expensive garbage, is the right thing to do. The backpack makes perfect sense, and someone like myself with a bad back that still wants to ride would do well with the jeans too. And the tether is, in my opinion, the better way to go. No battery, no "subscription" and fancy garbage. Oh darn, have to get used to removing a tether.... make it part of a routine. Awesome work.
Getting used to removing the tether is not a problem. Remembering to put it on is a problem! This said, I also have an electronic one (Dainese D-Air) and it is active whenever it sense the motorcycle vibration. So it will protect at any speed and when stopped. But the idiots did not make it in dayglow color (except for the inner lining, which is invisible when worn) to avoid a collision in the first place. I use the tethered Turtle 95% of the time. I'll use the electronic for the city, stop-and-go-with-some-texting sort of situations and for a passenger.
Finally a proper Klim review.
That Klim business model is insane, like people want more subscription services. I swear, if I wasn’t too lazy to learn Davince Resolve, I’d quit Adobe in a heartbeat too. Great video as always Ryan and team!
The subscription model has been creeping into everything. Sad to see it in moto safety gear, but i suppose it was inevitable.
@@DarkArwen929 yeah i kinda get it as well, with updates you kinda need it nowadays and its not super expensive. However with the subscription i feel like you should get a new vest every 10y or however long theyll last.
To be fair, most people are idiots and will pay a sub fee for anything they like. Thankfully, there are at least some of us who aren't idiots.
cause of death: subscription expired yesterday 😂😪
I am SO lucky that I STARTED on Davince with video editing, never looked back!
Late thanks for your last airbag video. I got my friend the helite for christmas and a few months later he was in a nasty crash. Broken leg but he said the airbag probably saved him a spine injury. Thanks for covering safety equipment.
You are good friend! Glad he is ok :)
damn I would be in debt to your for the rest of my life, good gift.
I dont ride a motorcycle. I probably never will.
I love how competent and informative your channel is, and especially how willing you are to call out problematic things.
Keep doing what youre doing!
I am like this with mountain biking channels. Don't ride a mountain bike, probably never will. But a good video is a good video.
"I have a few petite pillions who's lives I value above my own."
We see what you did there.
Great video, Ryan and team.
I have two Helite Turtle 1's (the original tethered version). One for me and one for little pillion. Living in the back of beyond (Mongolia), it's hard to get service or spare parts. Airlines don't want to fly pressurized gas containers. I only got one each, no spares allowed by the shipper from the UK to Mongolia. So I get my replacement canisters overland from China. I pay $3 per canister in a quantity of 10. The nice thing about the CO2 canisters is they are a commodity product. Not proprietary.
Almost all the airbag manufacturers use polyurethane for the bladder. It's also a commodity and replaceable with some DIY skills. I think only Dainese and Alpinestars use the type with filaments and I don't think they last any longer than PU bladders.
Damn - $30 for 10 is a lot less than I'm paying! What's your source? ~RF9
Martin, check the $3 canister is compatible for a Helite vest? Don't want to have an off & it either not work or no pressure inside. Also Helite UK are not the distributor for Mongolia. Try Helite HQ in France for a local (ish) dealer!
I bought about 20 generic canisters and did several test inflations while recording with slow motion video. The inflation timings were exactly the same as with branded Helite canisters.
I weighed the generic canisters before and after to check for CO2 contents. It’s within spec.
I also cut open the canisters to check for construction. Same as Helite.
My conclusion is Helite buys the canisters from the same manufacturers and sticks a label on and charges 10x the cost.
No problem with that. It’s just business but I can do it too.
I made several RUclips videos on airbag tests including the generic CO2 canister tests.
this is genius. I was thinking about getting an airbag vest for the next season, but the airbag backpack looks perfect for me.
As a motorcycle commuter I agree. The backpack looks so much better
I've been contemplating what to get since not every place I go to has a place to hang my motorcycle jacket, and sometimes it's just too damn hot. Definitely looking at getting the back pack for a little more peace of mind and convenience
Got the h-MOOv two months ago, and while I haven't deployed it, I've been loving it. Being that I already wore a backpack on most rides the only change to my gear was wearing one on all rides. As Ryan says, it is super nice to be able to neglect some of your gear but if you bring the backpack, you still have the vital neck and spine protection provided by the backpack.
I went for the tethered version primarily due to the spare cannisters being about 1/3 the price, and that I can simply quickly unplug the tether and do some stupid supermoto thing where I don't want it deploying at low speeds, and then plug it back in.
If you ever deploy it for testing.
Id really like to know how it effects whats in the bag.
Will it break a phone screen if the bag is stuffed full. Is the engagement violent enough to destroy whats in the bag.
Granted w/e is in the bag prob gets destroyed when you the ground without it.
@@matthewbeaver5026
I don't think it would really be possible for the bag to break anything that is in it. The airbag is underneath the storage, and the backpack has expansion space for the airbag, so the storage compartment is simply pushed out on top of the inflated airbag.
I'll let you know if I do end up deploying it one way or another in any case!
@@djbmacdonald good to know. More wondered about accidental deployment causing problems.
Until they become more affordable it's not gonna be an issue for me 😅
@@matthewbeaver5026
On accidental deployments they're nearly impossible. I've stepped off the bike countless times but with the stretch in the tether and the 60lb deployment threshold I've never had an issue.
I've even done a pivot turn and dropped the bike and it didn't deploy because I managed to stay close to the tether.
It's also nice to see that it includes a helmet sheathe.
I wore my Turtle 2 in 105°heat coming back from Colorado. With a cooling vest underneath and staying hydrated, the extra bulk was ok. There was weight but when you're on your bike you never notice it. I was still doing 10 hr days. 👍👍5🏍🙋♂️
Would you go with a Turtle 2 or the backpack of you had to buy again?
@@sunnyvalejedi definitely the turtle 2
@@johnlenart597Just for the protection aspect?
Welcome back! I've missed listening to Ryan take the piss out of shady business practices
Your Video about the helite turtle absolutely changed my mindset in two ways. First I ride exclusively with an airbag and second I appreciate your approach regarding the tether, no batteries, no crash detection and 100% self serviceable. I try to use this mindset in more aspects of my life outside of motorcycling.
You are too scared to ride a motorcycle.
More scared of u tbh
@@grantdubridge7995 at least he will have a much greater chance of coming alive and not paralysed from an accident, but you (the absolute alpha male) have to gate keep riding a motorcycle safely. nobody is stopping you from riding with minimal protection and spending the rest of your days in a wheelchair/dead, but leave alone people who do not need to prove to the entire world they are a tough guy like you. cheers
@@grantdubridge7995 Did you even listen to the end of the video?
dude it's just an airbag, has nothing to do with how you ride@@grantdubridge7995
I took a shower, checked the phone and FortNine was on. After watching the Klim vest I went onto have another bath
No one tears down a bad piece of gear quite like Ryan F9. If only all motorcycle media was as real and honest as him, bike and gear makers would be forced to actually compete on innovation and quality, rather than just on marketing muscle.
Ryan is setting back time and refuses to support innovation here. Thetered airbags is old school tech. In@motion, alpinestars are way ahaid with their technology. Still Ryan is dangerously sending people towards old tech
@@gvybin NO , he isn't , useable tech is what you need , i don't need the stuff the klim does , NOR can i afford it. klim = lovely , but too costly for me.
I've brought motorcycles for less than the cost of the klim .
you need to cover , hips , back , neck and head , shoulders . ......trust me , I've fallen off ALOT ...in my youth.
and yes i know , got a $3 head .... wear a$3 helmet ...... armoured jacket and trousers , good helmet , good gloves and boots ...got them all.
part of motorcycling is ......will you make it home alive ? i have so far .
@@gvybinThere is a certain peace of mind some people can only achieve when their life and safety depends on something they can trust completely, even if it less convenient.
I like new stuff, but I like reliable stuff much more.
Take it from a software tester that proprietary software is the last thing I would trust to protect my life and privacy.
@@gvybinAlso "old tech" isn't necessarily worse tech. Ever heard of overengineering?
The convince of not having to tether is tempting af, but not at this price and not with this level of efficiency.
@@mortanes2 Hi , in this case old tech is what it is "old tech" and also "less good", but I admit way better then no airbag.
I own an IXON airbagvest with the in@motion tech ( identical on the KLIM airbag) since 2019. So I am well informed as an early customer. I have seen it being updated from 70% to over 95% coverage in all types of incidents....FOR FREE, unlike Ryan claims ( pure misinformation in this video). Each update is done automatically, without any intervention from myself needed and always with a clear explanation to the owner or leaser about what has been changed. Very professional. Together with the alpinestars system , In@motion is by far the most advanced system available and more importantly, a system capable of upgrading its performance even after the purchase, again without extra cost for the buyer.
About Buying or leasecontract....You decide, so people have to stop wining about that subscription model. You don't like that , just buy it , you have a choice , unlike all other brands. ANother misinformation from Ryan. PRICE : It is expensive BUT, if you buy it, it is in the same pricerange as an HELITE E-turtle system, an alpinestars tech air 5 or a dainese d-air. You can not compare the price with any tethered system. These are in another league technological. What would you say if a cars airbag was still controlled by a string on the front or rear bumper????
It is simply a fact that tethered airbags do not cover nearly most of the situations . Apart from not being separated from the bike, there are also a lot of situations that the tethered airbag will deploy to late to be usefull. That is especially the case in direct collisions. Ryan says that electronic airbags are more suited for the racetrack and not needed for street riding. Infact , the opposite is the truth.
It is also not true ( anymore) that the in&motion electronic airbags will not deploy at a standstill, when you are hit by a car. ( another misinformation) They will. Tethered airbags on the other hand.....not so.
I will end by saying that I am very well informed on the technical things regarding airbagtechnology and I have no links to any manufacturer ( other then owning one of the currently most advanced systems and testing different others). In this video I found at least 5 misinformations, leading people towards the wrong way in this. HELITE has the merit of bringing airbag technology towards a bigger public. They have good products, but they are behind in the evolution towards electronic airbags, so they keep on selling their old tech next to their e-turtle. I recently asked them how their HELITE e-turtle can be updated ( better algorythmes) after purchase. The answer : please contact your dealer to look if an update is needed....in other words, they just don't update unlike In&Motion or Alpinestars...
So if Ryan would be honnest or well informed, he would take that KLIM out of the dustbin and understand the integrated In&motion system ( also used in IXON,RST,HELD,Furygan.....gear) is very well engineered and a system designed to become better every year with every free update with all data collected of each mile done and each incident that happened shared by it's users every day (today 176.9 millions km) This is called , the power of mass data.
My 5 year old airbagvest is still up to date and has the same algorythmes (with much more coverage then in 2019 when I bought it) as the 2024 airbag and it did not cost me a penny for the updates al those years.
I absolutely love your honest reviews. Klim's methodology is completely broken.
In&Motion (Klim/ixon) subscription IS OPTIONAL. You can either pay full price (800$) and have it for life. OR buy the airbag halfprice (350$) and subscribe for a small amount (12$/month) that Can be stoped during whenever you want for any period of Time (eg wintertime when you dont ride).
It actually bring the cost of airbag down for people that have less Money to spend, or ride not much during the year but want an airbag anyway.
People freak out with the subscribtion but you should inform yourself on how it actually is before.
It is really clever, it is the only company that gives the consumer a choice, and people get mad.
Stop misinformation about this product please.
Helite electronic versions can be paired with the optional fork sensor. That one doesn’t require GPS and works from standstill. It detects crashes based on shocks.
Theoretically if you’re in a tunnel without a GPS signal and do a smooth lowside without any real shock it might not go off, but chances of that are very low. If you’re hit from behind while waiting at a traffic light, it’s probably more effective than the mechanical version, since you don’t actually have to fall of the bike.
I have the electronic one for that same reason
i thought i read the fork sensor is not available in the US ?
After taking an 18 year vacation from street riding I decided to purchase a new Bike this week. Saw this video and watched several others and decided to get the Helite backpack for many of the reasons you stated in this video. When I was 20 yeas old a car made a left turn into me while I was on my motorcycle and while I didn’t sustain major injuries I still have some knee pain from that 26 years later. Nothings 100% safe when doing dangerous activities, so you have to do the best to mitigate the danger and that’s what these do.
Thanks for all your work you do for the community and pushing the safety aspect hard.
As an hang glider pilot, I've the honor to meet the founder of Helite and flown with its son. Gerard Thevenot was a French competition pilot, engineer revolutionary to the sport. I've two La Moeutte wings , so my life was in Gerard hands . Helite brand was branded after it's last revolutionary glider design, the helite. Rigid carbon hang glider. Cheers ride/fly safe.
Product researcher and tester over here at RevZilla and just wanted to send my compliments to the chef, well shot and researched Ryan / Team. I personally still dig algorithm airbags, but can’t go wrong with the old trust rusty tethered systems. Either way, well shot. Curious how airbags neck coverage will evolve with recent Dakar deaths and neck injuries. The industry is always advancing and it’s rad. Also, I can’t help but think a buddy is going to pull the cord on those instant-Kardashian jeans when you’re standing in line at the gas station. Well worth the cost of a new co2 system for the laughs. 🤙✌️
@FortNine The only thing I’d add to that is that Helite make an electronic turtle airbag that has a fork sensor so it can detect additional crash scenarios such as being rear ended while stationary. Something that the tethered version can’t cover and it doesn’t require a subscription or additional purchase of the “brain”. Same benefits as the tethered version without the tether plus being able to detect additional crash scenarios makes it another choice to consider, the only downside being that you have to remember to charge it.
Ryan doing what he does best, educating in an amusing way, giving us the insight we need on gear, and Motorcycles. Thanks Ryan and Crew, you are the best. I don't even mind the bicycle, e-cycle insights as well.
Holy crap. That backpack/airbag combo is exactly what I was holding out getting an airbag for. That's genius. Thanks for sharing.
I bought the Helite in black mostly due to your review. Yeah I can feel I’m wearing it but it’s literally a life saver. The amount of review of people talking about their crash with one and how lack of injury was attributed to them was amazing to read. Tether length is a funny thing did a lot of research and trail for that. And in the summer it’s a bit warm but found the Revit sand 4 works best as the veneration works around the Helite, so now I don’t sweat..
Thanks again
Hey ! A video on all kind of airbag availble with an in-depth comparaison with data (protections, non inflation, ...) would be a banger !
Elite tethered, elite gps, in&motion, Alpinestar....
You rock, keep it up !
I had an accident in August wearing my helite turtle. Just had a broken pelvis. Imagine if I had these pants.
I guess the question is now; would you have bought and used the pants had you known about them?
Do you think the pants would have helped? Would they have been worth the cost?
I would bet it would not have helped. I am guessing you hit the tank breaking it before that ripcord would have pulled tight. Thats the normal cause of a pelvis break in a motorcycle crash anyway.
@@RebelCowboysRVs it depends on how short you make the tether length. You should have a short tether length if you ride a sports bike, you can make it so short that movements of your leg can trigger the airbag (no need to be separated for triggering the airbag).
Sorry to hear that, I don't know if the airbag jeans would have helped you but it would definitely increase your chances, prevent or at least reduced the injuries
God I love this channel. The trashcan with the vest in it at the end is just superb.
Top quality, as usual. Good luck with Kilm and their lawyers, they're going to be extra salty after this one. :)
What do you mean? What could they possibly do?
You can't really restrict free speech with lawyers lol. Criticism is part of it and can't be taken down - since it's not defamation or lying about them.
@TinyTJ04
I think, Ryan and FortNine should be more worried about In & Motion (the airbag company, responsible for said disgusting business practice) threatening legal action; since, Klim is more of a licensee for their dog-shit product.
Granted, any company who works with In & Motion (not just Klim) deserves the same amount of backlash; but, the optimistic side of me hopes some of the companies that work with them are willing to switch to a company (hopefully Alpinestars), who makes competent electronic airbags without a scummy subscription service that's tied with it.
F'em if the can't take a joke.
Klim’s lawyers have no ground to stand on - it’s an honest review. And would they actually want to add to the shitstorm of bad publicity that this business model is legitimately going to attract? They’d be better off keeping their pens in their accidentally inflated pockets.
I have an Alpinestar techair airbag jacket, purchased about 4 years ago. It only activates when the jacket is zipped and a Velcro closure closed so no chance of activation when thrown to the ground, but it did activate in a slow speed fall while out on a gravel road, clearly it recognised that being horizontal and travelling downwards was not a normal riding state.
I also have a techair (5). I really like it, it's not heavy and doesn't have a stupid subscription. Only downside is that you have to send it to alpine for a check after a crash but its actually a good thing imo for safety and that little extra cash you pay then is nothing in exchange for not having broken ribs or worse
@@mdv4190 because there are two gas cylinders, if there is no evidence of damage there is no need to send it off on every crash.
@@mdv4190 In&Motion has no subscribtion either if you choose their classic formula. Price is about the same as the ALpinestars. Both are great systems. I have the IXON airbag since 2019 with in&motion tech. All updates come over WIFI for free. With the In&Motion system I can change the canister myself. There is also a procedure to check the airbag yourself after a deployement
@@iallso1 I also heard that Alpine has the Tech Air Offroad. Despite this vest being marketed towards offroad use, you can put it in street mode and use it like any other vest. The big benefits of this vest is that it is user reloadable and can be deployed up to 4 times before needing to be sent in. Additionally it seems to have a bigger protection area on the body and especially the neck area compared to other Alpine Air Tech models. But in general, Alpine is the best in my opinion, as they have the best electronic airbags hands down whilst protecting the shoulders.
RyanF9! Pillions which we value their well being above our own… you’re a true hero. Respect!
Pull no punches. Stellar video, as always.
Thank you guys so much for the safety videos.
I bought a Helite Turtle because of this channel, and always feel safer on my bike. I'm looking into the Mo'cycle pants, and this is a great review.
Shouts out to Ryan and the Fortnine crew, this is the best motorcycle channel on RUclips!
The backpack is sort of a brilliant solution since for those of us without top cases or saddle bags, we’re frequently tossing a backpack on anyways. It would also make me feel a little better for those painfully rare occasions where I’ve got a pretty little lady riding along.
Great honest review as always ! Stay Calm and Ride On !
So glad I've never given Klim a dollar of mine, and now I plan to keep it that way. 🖕greedy bastards, literally mafia style like F9 said. Thanks for exposing these slimy bastards, GOATs for a reason 💙
Ryan is not right here. I have an In@motion airbag system since 2019. I own it since I have choosen the classic formula. So I don't have to pay a subscription monthly or yearly. It is a fantastic product and unlike what Ryan suggests, it is updated for life. I get the newest algorythmes as soon as they are available over wifi and I don't have to pay for it. How about that? What company does that? I am kind of frustrated that so many people just don't realise that you can choose between a subscription (lease) or a buy formula, both with free updates. In&Motion is doing a better job then most others here
As always great technical summary of what’s what with airbag gear. I have seen the mo’cycle jeans advertised on FB and wondered how good they were, so thanks for your view of them. The back back looks interesting too. Keep up the good work Ryan and team.
Thanks for honest review.
I bought a ~100$ aliexpress airbag vest. I walked away from a ~50 mph crash after being forced off the road with only scratches and bruises. For a one time 100$ purchase and a 30$ CO2 cart I can’t complain.
I should also mention that this vest is triggered by a pull cable.
Love it!
Nice. Seems infinitely more safe than no airbag vest.
You got lucky. AFAIK airbag doesn’t protect legs, or internal organs. Otherwise car fatalities would not be a thing.
@@leonidfro8302 Ryan literally says in this vid that of a study of 5000 fatal motorcycle crashes, 0% were from leg injuries.
Again, he shows that airbags disperse force among a wider area and timeframe, greatly protecting internal organs.. did you actually watch this before posting?
can you drop the name? and Ryan need to review that airbag 😀
Gyat DAYUM Ryan where you been hiding that cake!? 0:10.
haha😂
Ah the good ol' columbian airbuttlift
7:43 how long before we see a lawsuit because a company de-activated a ‘feature’ which resulted in injury or death? 🤔
Helite want $105 ($70USD) a pop for their Co2 cartridges in Australia... I'll buy one of these vests/bags/jackets when I can replace the cartridge with a standard 45g cartridge available over the counter in a 3 pack for $50.
You can! I've set mine off with aftermarket 45g cartridges with no change in inflation characteristics, I also weighed them against each other and they were identical. Just make sure it has the same thread size
@@timothyer2447 I too have found some identical cartridges available in bulk from the pet store (I think aquariums use 'em?) - Helite probably can't recommend this, but it seems to work identically. ~RF9
Sweeeet!
@@timothyer2447 where did you get yours from Tim?
@@paulstevenconyngham7880 I was part of the indiegogo campaign and bought this back in March. It came in October and I've been wearing it to the office basically everyday. While not as comfy as my regular Klim jeans, I can't complain for the protection
You stopped the fuel graphic when doing sponsored spots. I don't know how to feel about it
Oops - it's not so much a choice as that I just forgot. We'll try to remember next time. ~RF9
Hey, that’s us!👖💨👀
Another PERFECT honest review!!!!
I just want to say this on one of your motorcycling videos! Please keep the MTB content coming. People seem to talk down to anything that isn't powered by internal combustion on this channel but I think that expanding to other topics that people can find common ground on is a great idea and should be expanded upon. Mountain biking is great and often more accessible to people than motorcycling or dirt-biking. In my state, a lot more trails and parks are designed for mountain bikes rather than dirt bikes, so getting that audience involved and advocating for that activity is nothing to be ignored.
The anxiety of waiting for that to go off is palpable
Hi, a small error slipped in, 5000% = 50X, not 5000X like shown on screen. Aside that, great video.
Oops - my bad. I should have caught that. ~RF9
Love it! This is what we need to know and why riders love your channel. Excellent work.
I just cant get over the quality of F9 videos. Comical, informative, entertaining. I have made several purchases based off of F9 reviews and have yet to be unhappy.
Bought myself a Helite turtle when I started riding, because of F9's recommendation. Hi vis makes me feel like a dork but I'd rather be a visible dork than have someone pull out into me. I've yet to deploy the airbag, but not once have I regretted wearing it.
I bought a tethered Turtle last year after window-shopping them for a while, but Ryan's video pushed me over the edge. I got rear-ended at the end of the season (was sitting at a red light) and it cushioned my landing so well I didn't even have bruises (I was also wearing a full armored leather jacket, armored Trilobite jeans, boots, gloves, and helmet). I was very happy to have it, and re-setting it with a new CO2 cartridge was straightforward.
@@sethhoffman8149 I do like how easy it is to reset - carry a hex key and a spare canister under the saddle and you can do it by the roadside
As usual, outstanding and truthfull analysis
Thank God for the honesty of a good reviewer.
Love the true friend at the end
Great video, but I think you're a little harsh on electronic systems. In&motion, AlpineStars & Dainese use the same tech as onboard ABS & TC systems of modern bikes - the 5/6-axis IMU. It's very well-proven, and there's a vast database of road use. Every time I put my vest on charge, it connects to In&motion - uploads all my dynamic data, downloads the latest crash detection algorithms.
Nothing wrong with a simple rope tether, and best wishes to anyone who chooses that option, but electronic systems fire sooner and inflate faster - before you're off the bike and flying through the air. The extra cost & complexity brings extra benefit.
I think he likes the system, he's grudge was with the subscription model.
Agreed, remember, this is 80% entertainment, 20% informative. (My estimations). Ryan’s comments regarding beginner ADV riders setting it off frequently doesn’t have any basis, as far as I can tell. Especially when the ADV mode is supposed to reduce sensitivity to low speed bumps and falls.
You are so right. The In@Motion, Alpinestars and Dainese systems are the way forward. They are so much better then the oldschool thetered airbags that have no place in modern airbag tech anymore. I hate what he is doing here as an influencer
So appreciate your honesty. You are right. Not OK to sell safety equipment by subscription
Ryan is not right here. I have an In@motion airbag system since 2019. I own it since I have choosen the classic formula. So I don't have to pay a subscription monthly or yearly. It is a fantastic product and unlike what Ryan suggests, it is updated for life. I get the newest algorythmes as soon as they are available over wifi and I don't have to pay for it. How about that? What company does that? I am kind of frustrated that so many people just don't realise that you can choose between a subscription (lease) or a buy formula, both with free updates. In&Motion is doing a better job then most others here
The Best Educational & Entertaining Motorcycle Channel! I Always Refer To Your Videos For Product Information, Thank You.
Well worth the wait for this one as always exceptional production value !
I ride with a Hit-Air vest. I bought it at the height of the pandemic when there were zero hospital beds so falling off meant competing with the dying for the attention of healthcare pros. I got to try it out the other day when I dropped my bike at slow speed turning a corner up a hill. The bike stalled and down I went since it was cold outside and I hadn't warmed it up. The vest went off as I was separated from the bike. I may have been injured but I wasn't. Not a scratch. The Hit-Air is just like the Helite but only cost $500. They sell mostly to horseback riders. I also broke both femurs 48 years ago in a motorcycle wreck and have pins in both legs and hips thanks to a 1976 genius surgeon. I still don't even limp. These pants would have probably saved my legs so there is more to consider than whether you die or not with leg injuries. I may have to look into these since I am not willing to park my bikes yet.
I own a In&Motion Airbag suit and I have a couple of things I would like to add to Ryan's observations.
1) The entry cost is much lower than a regular airbag without subscription. I got my suit at a much, much lower price than any other airbag suit around. All I had to do is pay 12 euros for the monthly subscription and I was ready to go for the next trackday. If you're strapped for cash this is still the fastest way to get protection.
2) You can use a single subscription on multiple jackets, suits or vests. On top of my RST track suit I now own a Furygan Airbag Vest as well that I use for commuting and offroading, both on the same subscription.
3) I can vouch for the system as it has saved my bacon twice already. Once on a highside on track and again on a offroad crash on my dirtbike. On both occasions I was able to purchase the replaceable cartridges at a discount. Instalation is super easy and there is a method for testing for yourself the integrity of the system after the crash.
4) If you're not happy with the product you can cancel the monthly subscription at anytime.
All this being said I understand the frustration of having to pay a monthly or yearly subscription which on the long run is going to cost you about as much as an airbag system without subscription. I just wanted to show that if you cannot afford a "regular" airbag system this is a cheaper (initially) option and then you can pay as you go while already being protected.
Ditto on that. Let's revisit Ryan's costs for an A1 Rally (in USD): $470 for vest and hardware. $400 for activation purchase = $800, about the same as the Helite Turtle 2. Want a lower initial cost? Subscription option on same setup: $470+$12/month to subscribe. $470+$432 at the end of 3-year subscription, then you have option of staying with monthly or buy it for $100. Total at end of 3 years with purchase = $1,000. Klim's costs over the long run are higher, typical of Klim's stuff.
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I don't own any Klim gear as it's too rich for my blood but as Ryan mentioned there are other cheaper brands that sell the exact same In&Motion hardware.
Thank you for that disclaimer at the end.
Top tier content as always. I love watching your safety product reviews! Your actually the reason that I'm buying an airbag vest!
I will Seriously consider the Helite backpack. That's just plain brilliant.
That sucks, my father in law passed away in a biking accident because his handle bar (or something on it) punctured his main artery in his groin. It looks like these pants would have saved his life.
I ride the racetrack, road touring, offroad, adv and city. The turtle is usable everywhere. It can go over aby gear and under a backpack, doesn't restrict air flow too badly and is quick to put on. And since in most EU countries, it is mandatory to have a safety west with you, this also saves on storage space.
This backpack also looks great. If you haven't already, I'd definitely advice you to get a tethered airbag, it's not too expensive, not too much hassle and can be a big help during a mishap.
Amazing stuff! I will always be astounded by the honesty of your videos
At this point Body armor still seems like the best way to go but weight and price could be changing soon. That backpack does look like an option now.
Nice. I'm a big fan of the Helite; my wife and I both wear them, though she rides but rarely. I know they are an extra, and expensive, thing to wear and carry around, and not the height of fashion. But if it saves your life (or spine) once, it's worth ti.
I run the Dainese Smart Jacket long sleeve. It activates with your bike vibrations so it’s sti protecting you if you get rear ended. It’s a great piece of kit. I used to do the tether but I’m just going to roll the dice with the Dainese
I bought a turtle 2 immediately after seeing the first video, only gripe is it occasionally turns the volume on my sena either up or down when I'm not looking at the road. Back pack looks amazing! Great reviews from a great host!
@0:45 you say the airbag energy absorption is 5,000% safer, but the caption reads 5,000X, which would be 500,000%. pretty major oversight bro
Oops - my bad. I should have caught that. ~RF9
I have a Dainese vest which is optimised for street use and can detect stationary shunts. You register with the company to activate it but no subscription. They also update the algorythm with data the vests collect via the updates. Pretty pleased with it so far. Riding a scooter it is hard to find a safe tether point which is why I sold my Helite. Also other riders don't tease me any more!
I have the dianese too. Great vest, but the cylinders are bulky/noticeable.
@@harleycross4170 I don't find that to be a problem but I think a lot depends on the gear people wear. I'd recommend anyone interested to try one on with their regular riding kit before buying.
Dainese detects rumbles to activate, right?
@@kenjikenjikenj That's right - like magic. totally reliable so far as I can see.
best product reviews on the tube. Seeing as how we don't have universal health insurance in the states, I will take my chances with doctor bills rather than the Klim- or a KTM with demo mode.
Great presentation as always! Thanks
The Klim business model = We’ll make the cost so insane people will think our gear is Top Tier.
That does work for their clothing, but even I think that vest is absurdly expensive.
Their gear is top tier, I don't see any other brands with CE AAA non-leather jackets.
literally every "luxury" brand exploits it. In most cases when you check it carefully they are just average in quality.
Me: sad and unhappy
Fortnine: new video uploads
Me:🥺😍🥳
gonna look more into the backpack thanks!!
Loved this episode. Classic F9 like years ago when I subscribed.
I still think the Alpinestars Tech 5 has the best design because it also covers the shoulders. Collarbone fractures are pretty common.
But I dislike that you can only deploy it once, so it is not realistically usable on a long adventure trip.
I wish someone would come up with a vest with a similar design that is rugged and self-serviceable in the middle of nowhere.
AlpineStars is coming out with an upgraded one in April that will have dual deployment(two deployments on one ride), self serviceable and added tailbone protection.
You are right Alpinestars covers shoulders and is the only one protecting the collarbones, but they did choose not to protect the neck area. There is an article where they explain why. So as a customer , everyone should choose what they think is the better solution . I went with in@motion/Ixon. Still think Alpinestars has an excellent product though, but I prefer beter protection round the neck area
I've been using japanese hit-air bag for 6-7 years, now switched to a* electronic one. Sad thing, new bags provide way less protection than my old hit-air, especially for head movement restriction. And tech 5 is quite bad in hot climate.
Fun fact: Alpine stars tech air does not protect your neck
I have the Ixon which is effectively the same as the Klim. I bought the track algorithm instead of the off road one. It was £25 per year which is pretty different to $10 a month.
Subscriptions work if you are a summer only rider ir maybe only do track days during a couple of days per month.
I wear mine all the time ... which is different to friends who bought Helite. Since the Helite is external it has to be covered in abrasion resistant material. This makes it heavy and another thick layer meaning its hot and bulky. The result is my friends are reluctant to wear it every ride. An airbag in a waredrobe isnt very effective.
We all have opinions on these products. Id recommend people to do their homework in this area rather than just accepting the opinion expressed in one youtube video.
I own 3 airbags; an RST adventure integrated jacket, a Klim vest, and a Helite mechanical vest. I’ll now be checking over the air bladders of the Klim and RST products for sure! I also didn’t know that Helite had their electronic models available in the US now and will check those out for sure.
I will say that I highly prefer either integrated airbags or ones that can go under a jacket reasonably. I commute daily and have been wearing an airbag over the last 2 years and 20,000 miles and am a huge advocate of them!
I love the idea of airbag pants but, for commuting, I really wish I there was an overpant option so I could wear it over my office clothes.
I wear a backpack on my daily commute to work everyday, so I may actually take a look at the Helite. Thanks again for another educating video.
I continue to follow these videos with an unabated ardour for the simple truth of Ryan’s uncompromising fairness when he shits on things that screw the consumer. Brave. Direct. Unwilling to toe the corporate line. Long may you run, F9.
Ryan mocking Jimmy Fallon was completely warranted!
I spent £500 on a Helite GP Vest, the tethered one. It has activated 6 times, exactly when it should have, and I have it serviced at the end of the year by Helite where they check that it is functioning correctly after it has been triggered. So far it hasn't needed any repairs except for cosmetic damage. Top bit of kit.
Another excellent video as always. Informative yet entertaining. 👍👍
The pants would be a great idea for a road trip
you will have a superman feeling when riding in the airbag jeans and airbag vest/jacket...it's great feeling and piece of mind
@@mocycle Damn right, I am especially considering the Alpine Air Tech Offroad being used in street mode as it has reloadable canisters that can be done yourself up to 4 deployments, and the Helite Airbag jeans, full protection. Put some leathers over it and you got insane protection.
That subscription by Klim infuriates me sooo much, like what in the actual f*** man!!!
You don't have to subscribe. Choose the in@motion classic formula and you pay ones (subscription for life), just like Alpinestars or Helite or other brands. Nothing different here. And unlike Ryan says, the algorythm is updated for life. I know, because I have an In@motion for over 5 years. Infact Klim (In@Motion) are the only brand that give their customers a choice to buy at ones or to take a yearly subscription
Ryan is not right here. I have an In@motion airbag system since 2019. I own it since I have choosen the classic formula. So I don't have to pay a subscription monthly or yearly. It is a fantastic product and unlike what Ryan suggests, it is updated for life. I get the newest algorythmes as soon as they are available over wifi and I don't have to pay for it. How about that? What company does that? I am kind of frustrated that so many people just don't realise that you can choose between a subscription (lease) or a buy formula, both with free updates. In&Motion is doing a better job then most others here
In&Motion (Klim/ixon) subscription IS OPTIONAL. You can either pay full price (800$) and have it for life. OR buy the airbag halfprice (350$) and subscribe for a small amount (12$/month) that Can be stoped during whenever you want for any period of Time (eg wintertime when you dont ride).
It actually bring the cost of airbag down for people that have less Money to spend, or ride not much during the year but want an airbag anyway.
People freak out with the subscribtion but you should inform yourself on how it actually is before.
It is really clever, it is the only company that gives the consumer a choice, and people get mad.
Stop misinformation about this product please.
Digging the silver wing cameo❤
I was hoping for a review on the airbag jeans since they've popped up so much on my IG feeds. And Ryan delivered!