I always figured "Cooler's Revenge" was a scenario where Goku came straight back to earth rather than spending the year on yardrat. Which explains why he can't go ssj at will, but still has acess to the form
FierceKicks what do you mean "still has access to the form"? that makes no sense. if he had access to it from before he would have used it a lot earlier.i'm sure he would have had to to at least train to turn into it at will if nothing else before cooler came no this was a first time transformation.
Chris Hall By access to the form i mean that in a do or die situation he is able to turn into a super saiyan (with aid from some intense emotion) similar to gohan's ssj2 transformation in bojack unbound
Theres NO way bojack unbound could fit into the same timeline which semi perfect cell was killed, bojack was unbound in the first place because cell self destructed on King Kai's planet via Goku's instant transmission
I know this sounds crazy but what if while piccolo was fighting android 17 ;18 decides to jump in of course piccolo gets overwhelm real quick so goku sees this and realize he has to help so he instants down there And evens it out. But android 16 then grabs him says hes detonating. goku realized he cant break grips and doesnt want piccolo to die too so he instants to king ki and that frees bojack.18 17 escapes giving piccolo and gohan a reason to train in time chamber. But for no reason because now thats gokus dead vegeta takes no chances. I didnt take time to think of details and i havent watch that saga in years so dont kill me
Keith Jones that wont work king ksi sid you set bojck free when take clel to my paltn he blwo it up nto 16 king kai said cell rewatch the mivekign said you set free bojack when take cell to my palnthe say cell
One thing to note is that While Trunks getting the Brave Sword from Tapion doesn't connect him to Future Trunks, it does make Wrath of the Dragon's place in the timeline connect to GT, as Trunks, who is the Trunks from the main timeline, does use the Brave Sword in that series
If you remember Trunks went back in time after defeating Cell to say that the future was saved. The way he talked to Bulma before he left also implies that he was probably staying there for a little time so Bojack Unbound causes absolutely no problems in the canon timeline
What if Broly-Second Coming took place in a scenario where Vegeta's sacrifice actually managed to defeat Buu? Both Goku and Vegeta would be dead,making sense of them missing,neither Trunks or Goten knows about Fusion,they're looking for the Dragon Balls (possibly to wish back the people Vegeta/Buu killed) and Gohan is just a regular Super Saiyan. And Goten wishing for his dad to return could be a hint towards him leaving to the after life after the fight with Buu.
I think when it said they defeated the androids it meant Gero and 19, then they either just left it alone or found Gero's lab and deactivated 17 and 18 for good.
But in the film 17 and 18 appear killing gero and then we see underground the supercomputer with the rest of androids. the only way this timeline could work in my opinion is by kami fusing with piccolo early and defeating 17 and 18.
The biggest inconsistency with Bojack Unbound is that Bojack and co. are only there because they were released from King Kai's planet when Cell blew it up. There's no way that could happen if Vegeta kills semi-perfect Cell.
They made dead zone split because they're implying that Raditz never CAME to earth. So, Goku didn't know about his saiyan heritage, Vegeta and Nappa never came, and they never went to Namek. It literally skipped EVERYTHING, up to the Garlic Jr. arc.
trever gray dude veegta was in galridc jr sgaa so he nappa had to dcome to earth evegta was in space looking fot goku you see him in garlic jr kill fireza soders so veegta did come ot earth
Here's how I see it: - Dead Zone takes place either in a timeline where Raditz never comes to earth, OR; Piccolo didn't miss Raditz with his first Makankosappo. - World's Strongest takes place in a timeline where Piccolo didn't die in the fight with the Saiyans. - Tree of Might takes place in a timeline where nobody died in the fight with the Saiyans. - Lord Slug takes place either a year after Tree of Might, OR; Takes place in a timeline where Goku kills Frieza with the Spirit Bomb. - Cooler's Revenge takes place either in a timeline where Trunks never time traveled, OR; takes place canon wise - Return of Cooler takes place in a timeline where Trunks never returned to the past after giving Goku the vaccine - Super Android 13 takes place in a timeline where Android 16 doesn't get activated and Piccolo fuses with Kami and destroys the Androids - Broly Legendary Super Saiyan takes places in a timeline where Vegeta or Trunks destroys semi perfect Cell before he gets Android 18 - Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans takes place a few days or weeks after Broly Legendary Super Saiyan. - Bojack's Unbound takes place canon wise - Broly Second Coming takes place in the same timeline as Legendary Super Saiyan 7 years later; Babidi never appears on earth to awaken Buu - Bio Broly takes place after the tournament in the same timeline as Broly Second Coming - Fusion Reborn takes place in a timeline where Gohan destroys Super Buu before he absorbs Gotenks and Piccolo - Wrath of the Dragon takes place either in a timeline where Good Buu gets destroyed with Kid Buu by Goku Spirit Bomb, OR; takes place canon wise.
Everything is summed up very well, really nice theories, but there is a small flaw, if, in the Broly 1st movie, Vegeta / Trunks killed 2nd form Cell, Gohan never reached SSJ2 properly, and in the broly 2nd movie, he turns SSJ2 so easily, since after the Cell saga, in the 7 year time gap, Gohan didn't have time to train since he studied a lot, which makes it difficult to believe that he unlocked SSJ2 in that gap while barely training. Also, I don't understand what you mean when you say "takes place canon-wise" could you explain that please ?
+HomeRun! Sure, what "cannon-wise" means is the movie could fit in with the main timeline Example: Cooler's Revenge could fit in with the main timeline because it takes place after goku achieves Super Saiyan and after he defeated frieza and after he got back to earth, also since there's a 3 year gap to the Android arc, "Cooler's Revenge" could actually take place at some point during that gap.
+Benjaomni I see, they can fit in canon wise but only by time, right ? the minor details in some movies make it hard to believe it could happen in the main timeline, Like in Cooler's Revenge, Goku can't become SSJ so easily, And neither can Gohan go SSJ2 in Bojack Unbound. Although what you say might make sense though. gg
I wanna see you make a giant timeline involving the original DB, DBZ, DBGT, DB Super, and every film. I would be really interested to see how you can explain the connection of the movies, and the connection of GT and Super.
First of all this question always hit me is HOW THE HELL DID FRIEZA SURVIVE THE SPIRIT BOMB ON NAMEK?it was at his face and he couldn't stop it? How did he survived it?
I had that in mind too but broly the Legendary ssj should occur before the cell fight thus goku and gohan enter the time chamber first while cell is in second form so when goku battles cell second form cell is dominated by goku so he is forced to blow himself up so goku instant transmissions him the king kais planet causing goku,cell,king kai etc to die but cell appears to be alive then comes back in perfect form but since gohan realises goku dies for nothing he goes ssj2 also 18 and krillin still have a chance and bojack unbound will make sense
Also gohan would defeat cell or bojack unbound would not make any sense so cell being killed by his explosion won't make sense for various reasons 1.gohan was stated to defeating cell in bojack 2.vegeta would have never cared for his family if he didn't see his son die in his face 3.future Trunks timeline would likely have cell stronger since Trunks wouldn't have experienced death
Silly Qaaman. Do you honestly believe Goku of all characters would use the remote control device to destroy the androids? It would be very out of character.
American Truthseeker Well considering the fact that he would have been too weak to make a difference fighting them the only way is through the HTC or the remote device. In Super Android 13 due to gohan's appearance along with trunks and their super saiyan status, it's implied that the didn't go into the htc.
Qaamans Land Yo Qaaman, how strong is Kibito Kai? You think he would be as strong as ssj 3 Goku? IDK that potara fusion seems pretty strong. It's is a shame we never got to see him fight.
You always have the spirit bomb though and lets be honest Akira Toriyama would probably find a way to write in how Goku and the z fighters beat them, it really isn't that far-fetched.
Qaamans Land Qaaman i believe this could happen because of Bulma. Remember when Trunks told the Z-Fighters about the androids and Bulma said she could just ask the dragon and make a wish to find Dr. Gero then Goku and Vegeta said that they wanted to fight. I believe that Bulma disobeys and makes a remote and gives it to Krillen. Remember the reason why Krillin didnt destroy android 18 was because she kissed him. In this timeline they're wouldnt be any time period for android 18 to kiss Krillin. I believe that Krillen wouldve used the remote and super android 13 would take place after
Maybe they went to Namek to explore Piccolo's heritage. It was during the saiyan invasion that he discovered he was an alien. And that aside, he also took care of Gohan by this point.
When Dragonball Super is fully dubbed and released we will have 2 fucking big alternate timelines: one being Dragonball Super and the other one being Dragonball GT.
Eight years later, I'm surprised the idea that a healthy Goku defeating 19 and Vegeta showing up to kill Gero/20 in the Super Android 13 timeline isn't brought up. Like... 17 and 18 remaining deactivated does solve the issue of them being a threat entirely.
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Didn't Super Buu say he was holding back fighting Gotenks because he sensed Gohan and he was having fun fighting them. I think Fusion Reborn takes place in a timeline where Gohan defeated Super Buu because that makes more sense considering Buus statements
If you think, I truly believe that Bojack Unbound fits in as cannon. The fight with Cell got to the point that Goku had to take him to King Kai's planet, and it blew up. It released Bojack from his prison because of that. That is something that seems quite the same from what I see.
So, the movies take place in an alternate universe? Is that why they contradict the series. I've heard a theory that every time a decision is made, it creates a universe where the opposite decision is made. This would also mean that some of the movies are actually in a universe apart from each other as well as the main timeline.
A way that Goku and friends could've gone to Namek is that Slug mentions the dragon balls on a planet that Goku's never heard before, he goes to ask Kami and Kami is contacted by King Kai telling him what's happening to his planet. So Kami sends Goku, Krillin, Gohan and Piccolo (the only Z-Fighters in the Lord Slug movie) to try bring down Frieza. Bulma and Mr. Popo recover Kami's ship just like in the series and she travels with Gohan and Krillin to Planet Namek. Meanwhile, Dr. Briefs builds a gravity training ship for Goku and Piccolo which explains how they can easily take down the Ginyu Force. Frieza cannot get the Dragon Balls to work so he takes out his frustration on Goku and Company and when he is overpowered, aims to blow up the planet in his 1st form. While this is happening, Dende tells Bulma how to use the dragon balls and she summons the dragon. Goku uses all the remaining energy from a dying namek and surrounding planets to defeat Frieza in his first form. Vegeta is amazed at Goku's power and flies off in the ship that Goku came to Namek in to an unknown part of the universe which explains why he is never seen in Cooler's Revenge. Goku uses the 3 wishes to revive all the Namekians and for everyone on Namek to be sent back to Earth.
Just a theory as to why Bardock was sent back: What if after a certain threshold, if you get hit with energy, it causes your atoms to vibrate at such a rate that you go back in time. Nevermind, that's just as ridiculous as the special itself.
I know this vid is old. but the thing with the Androids seems legitimate. I mean, Goku and Vegeta could have defeated Gero, and 19, and it was Gero that started up 17, and 18. so 17, and 18 would've never been activated.
12:24 the reason it says this is because they wouldn’t have been actived by gero becuase he would’ve most definitely been killed if Goku didn’t drop down dying which he never activated the androids so they eventually find his lab and I assume trunks knows they’re strength so everyone puts in FULL power killing them while they’re in stasis 16:55 goku could’ve died in that movie and idk vegeta stops being a baby and kills him using gathered ki from all the other z fighters
The other problem, being the biggest problem, with Bojack Unbound being where it was is that Semi Perfect Cell was killed by Vegeta in that timeline. Then how would the events of Bojack Unbound take place? Semi Perfect Cell is the reason Bojack came back because he was trapped inside of King Kai's planet along with his crew and that being said, if Vegeta killed Cell that means Bojack wouldn't have been set free by Cell's explosion because Cell died prior to that.
The only way to connect Broly and Broly 2 is if Goku died for some reason not related to Cell (his illness is back? Or maybe he never had it in that time?). And of course Bojack would be on his own as an alternate timeline post Cell game.
I've never seen the problem with Broly, Cooler, and Bojack fitting into the timeline. With cooler you could say Goku just didn't want to go super saiyan until he needed it and in Broly 2nd Coming you can say it takes place during the training period for the tournament
What blows my mind in that scenario is that nappa, Vegeta, and raditz will most likely be working with freezia until Goku arrives and they see his power, and will stage a 4 sayin coup against Friza and his men
In the movie Turles, Yamcha wears a gi with the kaio symbol at the back meaning he died against the saiyans and ended up at kaio’s planet probably the same for tien and chiaozu meaning Goku arrived to save piccolo in that timeline
Maybe someone said this but I think the arrival of Future Trunks caused a singularity in the Z universe that allowed for the Garlic Jr Saga paradox to play out. I think that this ultimately brought Trunks to the attention of the Supreme Kai of Time which then chose an incarnation of the young half saiyan to become Time Partoller Trunks, who as we see in Xenoverse overseeing the many different timelines.
After watching this video multiple times, I've come up with a few theories of my own. First what if the villians in those three movies after the saiyans were defeated were henchmen of Frieza. In that case maybe Frieza would decide to come to Earth himself to find out what's going on that his henchmen keep getting defeated. But this time he'd come to Earth by himself rather than bringing King Cold with him. This could be how the movies lead up to the battle with Frieza. And if Vegeta was not there during this battle, say he was on another planet still healing or something, then the z fighters would never have found out that Frieza can transform. Which would mean that the spirit bomb would've been bearing down on a first form Frieza rather than a final form, explaining how the spirit bomb was enough to kill Frieza this time around. And that is why Goku does not know super saiyan at the beginning of the Cooler's Revenge movie. Second, I think the reason Goku taking the medicine early and being there during the fight with the androids impacted them to beat the androids because of instant transmission. I don't see how Goku could not have flown up really high and charged up a very very very powerful Kamehameha, and at the last second instant transmission to right in front of 17 and 18 and blew them away the same way he did to Cell in the Cell Games. And third, I don't think that anyone defeated Cell before the Cell Games. I think Broly took place during the ten days before the Cell Games and Bojack took place after the Cell Games, explaining why Goku is dead in both Bojack and Broly Second Coming. Anyway, that's my two cents.
in Bojack Unbound, Bojack was held prisoner by King Kais planet. King Kai explains that goku bringing cell to blow up his planet cause bojack to get free. thus making Bojack have to on the timeline with the cell games.
also it took place after Trunks killed 17, 18, and Cell. It's possible that Trunks goes back to tell the Z Fighters about destroying 17, 18, and Cell, stay and train for the tournament, and fought Bojack.
+JJoh4040 In Japanese "star" and "planet" are the same word. The context of the sentence and additional words determine if it is meant to be star or planet.
Your completely right that it make NO sense because obviously Goku defeated the saiyans after the buu saga. You saying this made no sense is arrogant obviously his opinion is different then qaaman's it only makes sense this was his version and a lot of it did make sense so don't judge his time line to qaamans and thinking that qaamans is the official correct one. The only correct timeline would only happen if toriama makes one because it is his series
Geekdom101 Well, I think calling it embarrassing goes to far. Of course the movies never were to fit in any timeline but in my opinion they've done a pretty good job in explaining how the movies could take place. Now you could argue that the main timeline is given by Toriyama and is found in the manga, but the whole timeline discussion as actually very urgent since Super, since Toriyama doesn't have a regular manga following it and first considered BoG and FnF canon and now making them uncanon again. So just referring to the manga wont completely explain the timeline anymore, which is why those discussions are sort of important I would say.
Ever since you posited what was canon and what wasn't, I tackled this partly * Universe 1-The "Canon" Garlic Jr ended with him being defeated differently. Here, Garlic Jr was defeated by Gohan. Raditz was stopped differently, resulting in him forced to peacefully leave...or the "what if Goku held onto his tail" theory comes to pass * Universe 2-World's Strongest. In this universe, Goku prevents any casualties. Thus the events of World's Strongest happen * Universe 3-Krillin or Piccolo manages to take out Frieza in his second form. Thus, explaining how a Frieza Saga-era movie like Tree of Might can happen. Of course, the downside is that Vegeta is still out there and a villain, and Goku may never achieve SSJ. On the plus side Cell is going to be weaker and possibly less evil without Frieza or King Cold's DNA * Universe 4-Frieza killed Gohan. The SSJ fight was much quicker, but Goku never got a hang of the SSJ form as a result and was forced to use the False Super Saiyan against Lord Slug. In the main timeline, Goku's friends dealt with Slug when he was offworld * Universe 5-The original manga timeline. Cell, in the manga, mentions in his timeline Trunks killed Frieza. Meaning his is not the original timeline like we thought. In this timeline, the Androids as we know them did not appear or were defeated, and some other matter came up. This must be the case, since if it was the same as Future Trunks the events of the Unseen Timeline would take place in Cell's. This may be the universe where "Cooler's Revenge" or a version of it took place * Universe 6-Cell's timeline. Almost identical to Future Trunks'. * Universe 7-The Unseen Timeline. The Cell saga wouldn't have happened. Because of this, Super Android 13 is possible here. * Universe 8-History of Trunks, created when Cell went back in time * Universe 9 and beyond-The Cell saga happens here. Broly is capable of being in the "main" timeline * Universe 9-Bio Broly and Fusion Reborn? What if Fusion Reborn is a reality where Vegeta killed Fat Buu? * Universe 10-The Buu Saga as we know it takes place
You guys criticized the Bojack Unbound placement because of a Gohan not being a SSJ2 yet. That's not necessarily an issue. It's clearly shown in the movie that Gohan can't just go SSJ2 whenever. He still needs a push. The way he transforms suggests this could be his first transformation in the timeline.
If The Dragon Ball Z movies were the series. Garlick Jr Saga (season 1)-Dr.Willow Saga (season 2)-Turles Saga (seasons 3 and 4) -Lord Slug Saga (seasons 5 and 6)-Cooler Saga (seasons 7 and 8)-Meta Cooler (seasons 9 and 10)-Broly Saga (Seasons 11 and 12),etc Changes Goku goes Super Saiyan for the first time against Lord Slug. Goku goes Super Saiyan 2 for the first time against Broly. Goku goes Super Saiyan 3 for the first time against Janemba. Vegeta goes Super Saiyan for the first time against Cooler. Vegeta goes Super Saiyan 2 for the first time against Broly. Gohan goes Super Saiyan for the first time against Broly Gohan goes Super Saiyan 2 against Broly (From Second Coming.) so yeah it's now after Goku).
I always saw the movies as little "What If" stories akin to the old Marvel comic series. They aren't connected in one universe (with the exception of the Broly movies), rather they are all little one-offs, as in they are the same as the main universe until the period when the movie takes place.
+Kole Williams it was a full fledged movie about 50 minutes long but was never released like one. Later they did shortened it greatly and released it with Raging Blast 2. It still doesn't have an official English dub :(
The only two movies that fit into the story (apart from Battle of Gods and Resurrection F which are apart of the canon storyline) are Coolers Revenge which is set in the three year gap after Future Trunks killed Frieza and King Cold but before the Androids arrived and Bojack Unbound which is only like a couple of days after the end of the Cell Games.
To explain how the Androids lost to Goku and the others in the Super Android 13 timeline, one must remember that Trunks was very confused as to why the Androids were so much stronger in the DBZ timeline than they were in Trunk's Ruined World (TRW) timeline. The explanation could be that in the TRW timeline, the androids succeeded in their initial coupe and killed Dr Gero earlier (before he became an android himself). Dr Gero in the DBZ timeline was however able to shut them down and make upgrades (as well as Android 16) trying to remove their rebellious behaviour at the same time, but was unsuccessful and resorted to making Android 19, who then helped Dr Gero become an Android. In the Super Android 13 timeline, it follows similarly to the TRW timeline with the exception that Goku and the others manage to get to Gero before he could make those upgrades to 17 and 18, making them similar in power to the ones in TRW timeline and weak enough that Goku would make a big difference in a showdown with them.
When it comes to the "Super Android 13" I think that when Goku took the antidote in time he killed 19 and 20 so that 17 and 18 were never activated so they didn't have to be strong enough to fight them cause they didn't have to.
17 and 18 are activated in that movie and they are deactivated by Original Future Trunks ( who killed by Imperfect Cell ) and then, Androids 13, 14 and 15 appears
_Wrath of the Dragon doesn't tie in very well with the History of Trunks, due to the fact Goku died of a heart disease and the Androids wreaked habit._ _It ties in better with either the GT or BoG. Yet the sword is nowhere to be found in either. GT is non canon too-_ _So Wrath of the Dragon can't be canon. Lel._
The problem with this list is that it starts to feel crazier the further you go down the line. Considering the ripple effects that would have in between each individual movie storyline, I can't believe the original story would have continued. It is fun to think about these things though. I have tried very hard to figure out which movies I'm okay with watching when it comes to the series in general, but I do think it is important to know that they are basically side stories.
There's no way Cooler takes place with Goku killing Frieza with the Spirit Bomb. Cooler pretty much states that it had to be Goku's Super Saiyan powers that defeated Frieza. Its also stated in Daizenshuu 7 that Cooler's Revenge takes place during the training for the Androids. Bojack Unbound has to take place after the Cell Games because it was Cell's self destruction that released Bojack in the first place. There's a ton of bits of info this timeline does not take into account.
Did u guys notice that in movie 9 bojack unbound trunks knew bojacks name without ever hearing it... if u guys remember the scene where trunks appears in front of bojack and says BOJACK YOU WILL NOT TAKE THIS PLANET and then u watch the rest of the movie u realize that the only person that ever referred bojack as bojack is king kai and goku... even bojacks minions don't say bojack they say OUR LEADER OR OUR MASTER so how does trunks know bojack? Was there possibly a bojack in trunks future or trunks just know?
Broly: second coming takes place when goten and trunks are collecting the dragonballs to bring back the people fat buu killed, before he becomes super buu. Haven't you guys played buu's fury?
yes the video game buu's fury, but it plays out there almost exactly like in the movie, and it just fits well there. It might not necessarily be canon but its as good a place (or better) than any other option
Yeah it could fit in a scenario where Gotenks defeated Fat Buu but the only change and contradiction/plot hole I see is Gohan comes back to Earth after Fat Buu's defeat therefore now Mystic Gohan(Change) and Goten and Trunks for some reason don't use the Fusion Dance(Contradiction/Plot hole)
That’s a video game and even then bulma and Yamcha already collected the dragon balls.Then they make there first wish and goku calls of shenron and when they instant transmission back to kamis lookout goten and trunks started there training for fusion.So there’s really no time where goten and trunks would look for the dragon balls in the middle of the buu saga.Also gohan wouldn’t be on earth because he should be in the supreme kais world.
But wait, wouldn't Goku be a lot weaker in the timeline where lord slug showed up because he didn't get as much training as he did where Goku showed up late?
So a few things 1. I don't think gotenks defeating super buu makes much sense cause Goku got his life restored about the same time, unless you mean inside the hyperbolic time Chamber. 2. Goku may have defeated 17 and 18 with spirit bomb, but that could be hard to pull off. 3. WTF! No love for Eradicate the Sayains? 4. Lord Slug I thought was mentioned to be banished from Namek nothing more, but could be wrong haven't seen that movie in awhile, I should watch it.
Also 5. hahaha Also if Goku deafeted Frieza with spirit bomb I assume he left namek with everyone else on the the ship. So how the hell does he know Instant Transmission fighting cooler lol
Super late to this, but to touch on the Broly/Cell/How is Goku dying etc, Would it be possible/ideal that since Cell is already dead, Goku would instead die during the fight with Broly (checks off that box) and that is what then triggers Gohan to achieve SSJ2? (Also checking off that box). There are probably other variables I’m ignoring here, but just a thought/idea 🙂
The irony here is: if the video is irrelevant (despite being your opinion) that immediately makes your comment irrelevant since there was no reason to make it.
MetroidLord1 The Broly movies fit. The first one is a bit of a stretch as it takes place during the 10 day waiting period until the Cell Games, The second one takes place before the Martial Arts Tournament in the Buu Saga and the third takes place after the Buu Saga.
Chris Hall He would be a lot more reasonable and intelligent if he hadnt been deprived from sleeping as a baby because of Gokus crying. But he would still be a Saiyan,which would still make him aggressive and give him a natural fighting instinct.
TheStormmast3r broly as a good guy: he would train with the other Z fighters until the buu saga: lets pretend he doesnt kill spopovich and yamu at the tournament and all events happen normally: as soon as vegeta turns majin broly would put him down and then kill babidi. what if buu got released: broly snaps his neck like a twig ( assuming he trained)
Sandro Guzelj You cant kill Buu by snapping his neck. I dont think he even has bones. Also,there are two reasons why Broly is evil: 1.: Psychic trauma due to the fact that he couldnt sleep as a baby because of Gokus crying 2.: He is a Saiyan.
I'm not wholly convinced by this whole timeline but it's an explanation. As people have said the whole Bojack Unbound placement has to be wrong because the trigger for that was King Kai's planet being destroyed by Perfect Cell self-destruct. I have an idea in regards to Wrath of the Dragon and Goku and Friends Return, I would have a time split after Kid Buu with Wrath of the Dragon leading on to Dragon Ball GT (Showing why Adult Trunks has a sword in that) and Goku Returns continuing the main timeline into Super, Battle of Gods and F.
I know that was a lot but that’s all the proof you need to confirm that those are most definitely one in the same Broly, but confirms that SOME OF the movie characters are quite real in the main timeline, they just haven’t met most of them yet. Cooler will eventually circle the universe hearing of his brothers defeat, resurrection and new power. Slug and Turles as well. My only hope is when or if they do Turles, he’s mega amped off the tree of might already so that would be just a small sub point. Make it so he’s eaten enough to be At least as strong as . Then have him go Ozaru and then eat the tree of might. My head cannon. I’d hate for them to just let him get super.
Actually the first 2 broly movies are 100% consistent with the main time line. Look at this, Goku and Gohan train for nearly a year in the time chamber and when they emerge Cell calls for the Cell games and gives them 10 days. During these 10 days only filler material was put into place, so it could be that Broly LSS could take place then. Now, second coming would be after the seven year gap, and Goku was killed by Cell and Gohan is a super saiyan 2 and this takes place just before the next tournament. The only inconsistency I can think of for this is why were they hunting the dragon balls? Maybe it was Trunk's idea or Gotens as they were the ones looking, but I digress, it still fits in perfectly, as for Goten saying, I wish dad were here, he could say that because of how highly Gohan and the others speak of him, and maybe they told him that Goku beat Broly before. As for Bio Broly, this movies fits in perfectly but only if Vegeta survives, so I can agree with the timeline they gave for that.
The problem is, during the 10 days gap, Goku and Gohan wanted to stay Super Saiyan until the Cell Games begin and in LSSJ Broly you didn't see them both being Super Saiyans.
You're wrong about Second coming taking place in the seven years for two reason. Gohan knows Videl and Goten can fly. Gohan and Videl met and Goten learned to fly after the 7 years
Livrax Ooh good point then maybe in the time where they were training for the tournament then? The kids were always mischievous so seeing them look for the dragonballs wouldn't be so far-fetched.
With the Android 13 time line, Piccolo-Kami's fusion showed he could have been able to kill weak Cell, and then with further help handled the other Androids - with the odd possible twist of 18 and Krillin.
The way it seemed to work out is that whoever made the movies was taking elements of DBZ and using them to make films. Later on, I don't know which movie it was, but then they started making the movies line up with the timeline. The exercise here seems to be, we're trying to make this make sense with our own logic. Trying to get around the fact, consistency with the timeline wasn't the point of the movies at the beginning. Like we're trying to unearth the secret of how the timeline and movies work out when there is none. That's how it comes off. I don't mind the exercise of trying to make it make sense, but let's at least know the black and white facts of the movies and how and why they were made in the first place.
There is also an inconsistency with where "cooler's revenge" fell in the time line. The reason being is that after Goku defeated Frieza, trunks arrived on earth and it wasn't until that point that he returned back to the earth. So if Goku was on earth after defeating frieza, Cooler's revenge would have had to have taken place after Trunks arrived.
I reckon that it's a timeline where Goku didn't spend as long on Yardrat thus arriving on Earth much earlier, so he at least gets the hang of Instant Transmission but he doesn't master the SSJ form and so can't access it at will.
I feel that a dead zone timeline should just branch into the battle with raditz except everyone knows who gohan is, which wouldn't make any difference in the timeline from my point of view.
You could fit Lord Slug better by placing it right before Cooler's Revenge in the "Frieza dies by the Spirit Bomb" timeline. That would explain that fake super saiyan form
I always figured "Cooler's Revenge" was a scenario where Goku came straight back to earth rather than spending the year on yardrat. Which explains why he can't go ssj at will, but still has acess to the form
FierceKicks what do you mean "still has access to the form"? that makes no sense. if he had access to it from before he would have used it a lot earlier.i'm sure he would have had to to at least train to turn into it at will if nothing else before cooler came no this was a first time transformation.
Chris Hall By access to the form i mean that in a do or die situation he is able to turn into a super saiyan (with aid from some intense emotion) similar to gohan's ssj2 transformation in bojack unbound
***** exactly you explained it alot better than i did thanks!
Well said
@@seanred6031 wrong
That was the second cooler movie
Not the first
So, you're saiyan that if Kakarot defeated Friezer with the Spirit Bomb, the timeline would be......Cooler?
Ha nice
Were and weren't*
Tip of the hat to you, my friend. ~_~
Shall I give you your cookie good sir?
MedicFilms I bow to you sir
Theres NO way bojack unbound could fit into the same timeline which semi perfect cell was killed, bojack was unbound in the first place because cell self destructed on King Kai's planet via Goku's instant transmission
my point exactly. i just got to that part.
***** He's sealed inside King Kai's planet... He can only be free'd if the planet blew up
I know this sounds crazy but what if while piccolo was fighting android 17 ;18 decides to jump in of course piccolo gets overwhelm real quick so goku sees this and realize he has to help so he instants down there And evens it out. But android 16 then grabs him says hes detonating. goku realized he cant break grips and doesnt want piccolo to die too so he instants to king ki and that frees bojack.18 17 escapes giving piccolo and gohan a reason to train in time chamber. But for no reason because now thats gokus dead vegeta takes no chances. I didnt take time to think of details and i havent watch that saga in years so dont kill me
Keith Jones that wont work king ksi sid you set bojck free when take clel to my paltn he blwo it up nto 16 king kai said cell rewatch the mivekign said you set free bojack when take cell to my palnthe say cell
signerleo snyder Dawg what??
One thing to note is that While Trunks getting the Brave Sword from Tapion doesn't connect him to Future Trunks, it does make Wrath of the Dragon's place in the timeline connect to GT, as Trunks, who is the Trunks from the main timeline, does use the Brave Sword in that series
Really? When? Because I watched GT, and I never really saw him use the sword.
He doesn't no what he's talking about @@keatonendler8202
@@keatonendler8202GT trunks only use a sword in a opening, not in the series itself 😂😂😂😂.
If you remember Trunks went back in time after defeating Cell to say that the future was saved. The way he talked to Bulma before he left also implies that he was probably staying there for a little time so Bojack Unbound causes absolutely no problems in the canon timeline
What if Broly-Second Coming took place in a scenario where Vegeta's sacrifice actually managed to defeat Buu?
Both Goku and Vegeta would be dead,making sense of them missing,neither Trunks or Goten knows about Fusion,they're looking for the Dragon Balls (possibly to wish back the people Vegeta/Buu killed) and Gohan is just a regular Super Saiyan.
And Goten wishing for his dad to return could be a hint towards him leaving to the after life after the fight with Buu.
It was confirmed Gohan went Super Saiyan 2 against Broly
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I think when it said they defeated the androids it meant Gero and 19, then they either just left it alone or found Gero's lab and deactivated 17 and 18 for good.
Lol ur profile pic
Piccolo Junior i agreeeee
+Piccolo Junior that happen... tottally agree
But in the film 17 and 18 appear killing gero and then we see underground the supercomputer with the rest of androids. the only way this timeline could work in my opinion is by kami fusing with piccolo early and defeating 17 and 18.
The biggest inconsistency with Bojack Unbound is that Bojack and co. are only there because they were released from King Kai's planet when Cell blew it up. There's no way that could happen if Vegeta kills semi-perfect Cell.
They made dead zone split because they're implying that Raditz never CAME to earth. So, Goku didn't know about his saiyan heritage, Vegeta and Nappa never came, and they never went to Namek. It literally skipped EVERYTHING, up to the Garlic Jr. arc.
trever gray dude veegta was in galridc jr sgaa so he nappa had to dcome to earth evegta was in space looking fot goku you see him in garlic jr kill fireza soders so veegta did come ot earth
+signerleo Snyder
Are you the same "leo" that's on dragonball multiverse? I recognize that terrible typing anywhere
trever gray Dead Zone is pre DBZ
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I know.
trever gray you do know that vegeta is in garlic jr saga so your worng about vegeta nappa nto coming to earth
I can go to sleep to any of Qaaman’s 40 min+ vids. Idk why but they’re just sooooo soothing
Here's how I see it:
- Dead Zone takes place either in a timeline where Raditz never comes to earth, OR; Piccolo didn't miss Raditz with his first Makankosappo.
- World's Strongest takes place in a timeline where Piccolo didn't die in the fight with the Saiyans.
- Tree of Might takes place in a timeline where nobody died in the fight with the Saiyans.
- Lord Slug takes place either a year after Tree of Might, OR; Takes place in a timeline where Goku kills Frieza with the Spirit Bomb.
- Cooler's Revenge takes place either in a timeline where Trunks never time traveled, OR; takes place canon wise
- Return of Cooler takes place in a timeline where Trunks never returned to the past after giving Goku the vaccine
- Super Android 13 takes place in a timeline where Android 16 doesn't get activated and Piccolo fuses with Kami and destroys the Androids
- Broly Legendary Super Saiyan takes places in a timeline where Vegeta or Trunks destroys semi perfect Cell before he gets Android 18
- Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans takes place a few days or weeks after Broly Legendary Super Saiyan.
- Bojack's Unbound takes place canon wise
- Broly Second Coming takes place in the same timeline as Legendary Super Saiyan 7 years later; Babidi never appears on earth to awaken Buu
- Bio Broly takes place after the tournament in the same timeline as Broly Second Coming
- Fusion Reborn takes place in a timeline where Gohan destroys Super Buu before he absorbs Gotenks and Piccolo
- Wrath of the Dragon takes place either in a timeline where Good Buu gets destroyed with Kid Buu by Goku Spirit Bomb, OR; takes place canon wise.
Dynasty Of The Dragon Why, Thank you
Everything is summed up very well, really nice theories, but there is a small flaw, if, in the Broly 1st movie, Vegeta / Trunks killed 2nd form Cell, Gohan never reached SSJ2 properly, and in the broly 2nd movie, he turns SSJ2 so easily, since after the Cell saga, in the 7 year time gap, Gohan didn't have time to train since he studied a lot, which makes it difficult to believe that he unlocked SSJ2 in that gap while barely training.
Also, I don't understand what you mean when you say "takes place canon-wise" could you explain that please ?
+HomeRun! Sure, what "cannon-wise" means is the movie could fit in with the main timeline
Example: Cooler's Revenge could fit in with the main timeline because it takes place after goku achieves Super Saiyan and after he defeated frieza and after he got back to earth, also since there's a 3 year gap to the Android arc, "Cooler's Revenge" could actually take place at some point during that gap.
+Benjaomni I see, they can fit in canon wise but only by time, right ? the minor details in some movies make it hard to believe it could happen in the main timeline, Like in Cooler's Revenge, Goku can't become SSJ so easily, And neither can Gohan go SSJ2 in Bojack Unbound. Although what you say might make sense though. gg
Benjaomni if piccolo fused with kami to destroybthe androids in super android 13 then ahouldnt he be strong enough to take down andrpid 13 himself?
I wanna see you make a giant timeline involving the original DB, DBZ, DBGT, DB Super, and every film. I would be really interested to see how you can explain the connection of the movies, and the connection of GT and Super.
I'm interested
I know 6 years later but I’ve still been looking for this. A reconned timeline with all filler, movie, and series combined into one.
This^
It could be Gohan OR Gotenks killing Super Buu. Goku and Vegeta were still dead when Gohan came to Earth and laid down the smackdown.
First of all this question always hit me is
HOW THE HELL DID FRIEZA SURVIVE THE SPIRIT BOMB ON NAMEK?it was at his face and he couldn't stop it? How did he survived it?
Instead of Vegeta defeating Cell, have Cell die when he explodes on King Kai's planet.
DarkSupression101 great idea. it makes sense, especially since king kai talked about how cell blew up his planet in the bojack movie,
DarkSupression101 Well done, so simple that's its genius
I had that in mind too but broly the Legendary ssj should occur before the cell fight thus goku and gohan enter the time chamber first while cell is in second form so when goku battles cell second form cell is dominated by goku so he is forced to blow himself up so goku instant transmissions him the king kais planet causing goku,cell,king kai etc to die but cell appears to be alive then comes back in perfect form but since gohan realises goku dies for nothing he goes ssj2 also 18 and krillin still have a chance and bojack unbound will make sense
Also gohan would defeat cell or bojack unbound would not make any sense so cell being killed by his explosion won't make sense for various reasons 1.gohan was stated to defeating cell in bojack 2.vegeta would have never cared for his family if he didn't see his son die in his face 3.future Trunks timeline would likely have cell stronger since Trunks wouldn't have experienced death
No because gohan would of been Super Saiyan 2
Goku wasn't in "Broly Second Coming" because he had been betrayed and locked in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber
Aww shit, i'm early, think of a joke quickly.
Piccolo knocked out by chopsticks.
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Qaaman my favorite DragonBall youtuber
Silly Qaaman. Do you honestly believe Goku of all characters would use the remote control device to destroy the androids? It would be very out of character.
American Truthseeker Well considering the fact that he would have been too weak to make a difference fighting them the only way is through the HTC or the remote device. In Super Android 13 due to gohan's appearance along with trunks and their super saiyan status, it's implied that the didn't go into the htc.
Qaamans Land Yo Qaaman, how strong is Kibito Kai? You think he would be as strong as ssj 3 Goku? IDK that potara fusion seems pretty strong. It's is a shame we never got to see him fight.
You always have the spirit bomb though and lets be honest Akira Toriyama would probably find a way to write in how Goku and the z fighters beat them, it really isn't that far-fetched.
Qaamans Land Qaaman i believe this could happen because of Bulma. Remember when Trunks told the Z-Fighters about the androids and Bulma said she could just ask the dragon and make a wish to find Dr. Gero then Goku and Vegeta said that they wanted to fight. I believe that Bulma disobeys and makes a remote and gives it to Krillen. Remember the reason why Krillin didnt destroy android 18 was because she kissed him. In this timeline they're wouldnt be any time period for android 18 to kiss Krillin. I believe that Krillen wouldve used the remote and super android 13 would take place after
American Truthseeker Nobody in DBZ does anything the easy way.
Finally a discussion on your channel I can watch without getting Super spoiled
cool vid
Maybe they went to Namek to explore Piccolo's heritage. It was during the saiyan invasion that he discovered he was an alien. And that aside, he also took care of Gohan by this point.
I'm so used to fullscreening your videos I almost did it even though I didn't want to.
When Dragonball Super is fully dubbed and released we will have 2 fucking big alternate timelines: one being Dragonball Super and the other one being Dragonball GT.
Gt will just still be non canon shit
LN2233 I never questioned that GT was non canon.
BenniRoR how about it being shit?
PickledWolverine Whatever you mean by that,sir.
BenniRoR gt is after dragon ball super
Eight years later, I'm surprised the idea that a healthy Goku defeating 19 and Vegeta showing up to kill Gero/20 in the Super Android 13 timeline isn't brought up. Like... 17 and 18 remaining deactivated does solve the issue of them being a threat entirely.
Brolly movie takes place during pre cell game. Bojack after cell dies. What's hard about that?
It's probably the minor details of clothing
Goku and Gohan arent Super Sayains in the movie when they should be.
I have a great way to incorporate the movies into the series with as little amount of plotholes as possible. I'll be sure to make a response video.
You didn't say"What the fuck are you doing"
Dante Masamune This isn't my video. I used part of qaamans intro. I might get copyrighted if he finds out...
Oh. That was the funniest pary
I know. I love the intro. I'll use it for now on in DBS related videos.
It's Over 9000 Productions If I found out part of what intro?
bardock father of goku, the history of trunks, and coolers revenge my top 3 DBZ movies
shang tsung A.K.A soulja boy Those first two are tv specials not movies
Maximum Over Saiyan who cares?
Greek gamer 123 1 airs on tv in place of a dbz episode that week, the other airs in movie theater's
Maximum Over Saiyan so? The specials were in episodes place and were about an hour long they might as well be movies
Hey qamman I have Been Watching you're videos since you started, and I gotta say I genuinely love all the segments you make, Last year I showed all my buddies you're channel and we have watched all you're videos. We always try to show as much support as we can. Keep up the awesome work
Didn't Super Buu say he was holding back fighting Gotenks because he sensed Gohan and he was having fun fighting them. I think Fusion Reborn takes place in a timeline where Gohan defeated Super Buu because that makes more sense considering Buus statements
I thought it was a timeline where vegeta or goku killed fat buu
@@PhilFromFlint
Then goku wouldn't have thought Goten and trunks fusion nor would Gohan had trained with elder kai
If you think, I truly believe that Bojack Unbound fits in as cannon. The fight with Cell got to the point that Goku had to take him to King Kai's planet, and it blew up. It released Bojack from his prison because of that. That is something that seems quite the same from what I see.
Bojack unbound supposedly takes place after the perfect cell fight
So, the movies take place in an alternate universe? Is that why they contradict the series. I've heard a theory that every time a decision is made, it creates a universe where the opposite decision is made. This would also mean that some of the movies are actually in a universe apart from each other as well as the main timeline.
Super Android 13 is the original timeline that Trunks went to before being killed by Cell upon his return to the future.
And depressing lol
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i find it funny when mike laughs at qaaman for including piccolo in the killing of semi perfect cell lmaooo
Because ads have great timing "Krillen is alive with Mexican flavor"
A way that Goku and friends could've gone to Namek is that Slug mentions the dragon balls on a planet that Goku's never heard before, he goes to ask Kami and Kami is contacted by King Kai telling him what's happening to his planet. So Kami sends Goku, Krillin, Gohan and Piccolo (the only Z-Fighters in the Lord Slug movie) to try bring down Frieza. Bulma and Mr. Popo recover Kami's ship just like in the series and she travels with Gohan and Krillin to Planet Namek. Meanwhile, Dr. Briefs builds a gravity training ship for Goku and Piccolo which explains how they can easily take down the Ginyu Force.
Frieza cannot get the Dragon Balls to work so he takes out his frustration on Goku and Company and when he is overpowered, aims to blow up the planet in his 1st form. While this is happening, Dende tells Bulma how to use the dragon balls and she summons the dragon. Goku uses all the remaining energy from a dying namek and surrounding planets to defeat Frieza in his first form. Vegeta is amazed at Goku's power and flies off in the ship that Goku came to Namek in to an unknown part of the universe which explains why he is never seen in Cooler's Revenge. Goku uses the 3 wishes to revive all the Namekians and for everyone on Namek to be sent back to Earth.
Man I'm gonna have a good time watching this one! Thoughts after I'm done.
It's not that long bro
@@Lyposucc I left another comment bro. Lol..
Just a theory as to why Bardock was sent back: What if after a certain threshold, if you get hit with energy, it causes your atoms to vibrate at such a rate that you go back in time.
Nevermind, that's just as ridiculous as the special itself.
I know this vid is old.
but the thing with the Androids seems legitimate.
I mean, Goku and Vegeta could have defeated Gero, and 19, and it was Gero that started up 17, and 18. so 17, and 18 would've never been activated.
Floris Gaming exactly they don't think
Floris Gaming The only problem with that is that 17 and 18 were showed right at the start of the movie
Just say that picolo fused beforehand with kami
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@@GreatSwordLoverwhat's up
12:24 the reason it says this is because they wouldn’t have been actived by gero becuase he would’ve most definitely been killed if Goku didn’t drop down dying which he never activated the androids so they eventually find his lab and I assume trunks knows they’re strength so everyone puts in FULL power killing them while they’re in stasis
16:55 goku could’ve died in that movie and idk vegeta stops being a baby and kills him using gathered ki from all the other z fighters
The other problem, being the biggest problem, with Bojack Unbound being where it was is that Semi Perfect Cell was killed by Vegeta in that timeline. Then how would the events of Bojack Unbound take place? Semi Perfect Cell is the reason Bojack came back because he was trapped inside of King Kai's planet along with his crew and that being said, if Vegeta killed Cell that means Bojack wouldn't have been set free by Cell's explosion because Cell died prior to that.
Perfect cell blew up on king kai
@jameshollister8294 Nope. It was Semi-Perfect Cell.
@@jameshollister8294 Gohan punched Perfect Cell so hard he threw up No. 18 and reverted to Semi-Perfect.
@@FriezaDBZKing69 and he regenerated from a cell in his perfect form
@@jameshollister8294 He regenerated and became Super Perfect Cell.
The only way to connect Broly and Broly 2 is if Goku died for some reason not related to Cell (his illness is back? Or maybe he never had it in that time?). And of course Bojack would be on his own as an alternate timeline post Cell game.
I've never seen the problem with Broly, Cooler, and Bojack fitting into the timeline. With cooler you could say Goku just didn't want to go super saiyan until he needed it and in Broly 2nd Coming you can say it takes place during the training period for the tournament
T-Dub Also the Tapion movie fits perfectly after the buu saga.
The first Broly could fit imo, just during the break before the Cell Games
David Barrios Cell was chill for that whole break.
David Barrios Based on those episodes in between it didn’t seem like it. They threw a god damn birthday party and went fishing.
Well not anymore because of the new Broly movie
Maybe they just went to Namek because Piccolo got curious about his home planet in that timeline, not that anyone died.
What blows my mind in that scenario is that nappa, Vegeta, and raditz will most likely be working with freezia until Goku arrives and they see his power, and will stage a 4 sayin coup against Friza and his men
Richard Hurtz Reminds me of what happens in xenoverse except its Nappa, Radditz and your character
In the movie Turles, Yamcha wears a gi with the kaio symbol at the back meaning he died against the saiyans and ended up at kaio’s planet probably the same for tien and chiaozu meaning Goku arrived to save piccolo in that timeline
Maybe someone said this but I think the arrival of Future Trunks caused a singularity in the Z universe that allowed for the Garlic Jr Saga paradox to play out. I think that this ultimately brought Trunks to the attention of the Supreme Kai of Time which then chose an incarnation of the young half saiyan to become Time Partoller Trunks, who as we see in Xenoverse overseeing the many different timelines.
After watching this video multiple times, I've come up with a few theories of my own. First what if the villians in those three movies after the saiyans were defeated were henchmen of Frieza. In that case maybe Frieza would decide to come to Earth himself to find out what's going on that his henchmen keep getting defeated. But this time he'd come to Earth by himself rather than bringing King Cold with him. This could be how the movies lead up to the battle with Frieza. And if Vegeta was not there during this battle, say he was on another planet still healing or something, then the z fighters would never have found out that Frieza can transform. Which would mean that the spirit bomb would've been bearing down on a first form Frieza rather than a final form, explaining how the spirit bomb was enough to kill Frieza this time around. And that is why Goku does not know super saiyan at the beginning of the Cooler's Revenge movie.
Second, I think the reason Goku taking the medicine early and being there during the fight with the androids impacted them to beat the androids because of instant transmission. I don't see how Goku could not have flown up really high and charged up a very very very powerful Kamehameha, and at the last second instant transmission to right in front of 17 and 18 and blew them away the same way he did to Cell in the Cell Games.
And third, I don't think that anyone defeated Cell before the Cell Games. I think Broly took place during the ten days before the Cell Games and Bojack took place after the Cell Games, explaining why Goku is dead in both Bojack and Broly Second Coming.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
in Bojack Unbound, Bojack was held prisoner by King Kais planet. King Kai explains that goku bringing cell to blow up his planet cause bojack to get free. thus making Bojack have to on the timeline with the cell games.
true
also it took place after Trunks killed 17, 18, and Cell. It's possible that Trunks goes back to tell the Z Fighters about destroying 17, 18, and Cell, stay and train for the tournament, and fought Bojack.
bojack was inside a star
+JJoh4040 In Japanese "star" and "planet" are the same word. The context of the sentence and additional words determine if it is meant to be star or planet.
Bojack should be canon
That intro 🥲 good times good times 😌
That timeline is embarrassing and makes no sense :/
Geekdom101 I was thinking the same thing. I feel I could have made a better timeline.
***** Watch Qaaman's other video about movies fitting with the story.
Your completely right that it make NO sense because obviously Goku defeated the saiyans after the buu saga. You saying this made no sense is arrogant obviously his opinion is different then qaaman's it only makes sense this was his version and a lot of it did make sense so don't judge his time line to qaamans and thinking that qaamans is the official correct one. The only correct timeline would only happen if toriama makes one because it is his series
Joseph Martinez the correct timeline is in the manga
Geekdom101 Well, I think calling it embarrassing goes to far. Of course the movies never were to fit in any timeline but in my opinion they've done a pretty good job in explaining how the movies could take place. Now you could argue that the main timeline is given by Toriyama and is found in the manga, but the whole timeline discussion as actually very urgent since Super, since Toriyama doesn't have a regular manga following it and first considered BoG and FnF canon and now making them uncanon again. So just referring to the manga wont completely explain the timeline anymore, which is why those discussions are sort of important I would say.
Ever since you posited what was canon and what wasn't, I tackled this partly
* Universe 1-The "Canon" Garlic Jr ended with him being defeated differently. Here, Garlic Jr was defeated by Gohan. Raditz was stopped differently, resulting in him forced to peacefully leave...or the "what if Goku held onto his tail" theory comes to pass
* Universe 2-World's Strongest. In this universe, Goku prevents any casualties. Thus the events of World's Strongest happen
* Universe 3-Krillin or Piccolo manages to take out Frieza in his second form. Thus, explaining how a Frieza Saga-era movie like Tree of Might can happen. Of course, the downside is that Vegeta is still out there and a villain, and Goku may never achieve SSJ. On the plus side Cell is going to be weaker and possibly less evil without Frieza or King Cold's DNA
* Universe 4-Frieza killed Gohan. The SSJ fight was much quicker, but Goku never got a hang of the SSJ form as a result and was forced to use the False Super Saiyan against Lord Slug. In the main timeline, Goku's friends dealt with Slug when he was offworld
* Universe 5-The original manga timeline. Cell, in the manga, mentions in his timeline Trunks killed Frieza. Meaning his is not the original timeline like we thought. In this timeline, the Androids as we know them did not appear or were defeated, and some other matter came up. This must be the case, since if it was the same as Future Trunks the events of the Unseen Timeline would take place in Cell's. This may be the universe where "Cooler's Revenge" or a version of it took place
* Universe 6-Cell's timeline. Almost identical to Future Trunks'.
* Universe 7-The Unseen Timeline. The Cell saga wouldn't have happened. Because of this, Super Android 13 is possible here.
* Universe 8-History of Trunks, created when Cell went back in time
* Universe 9 and beyond-The Cell saga happens here. Broly is capable of being in the "main" timeline
* Universe 9-Bio Broly and Fusion Reborn? What if Fusion Reborn is a reality where Vegeta killed Fat Buu?
* Universe 10-The Buu Saga as we know it takes place
You guys criticized the Bojack Unbound placement because of a Gohan not being a SSJ2 yet. That's not necessarily an issue. It's clearly shown in the movie that Gohan can't just go SSJ2 whenever. He still needs a push. The way he transforms suggests this could be his first transformation in the timeline.
If The Dragon Ball Z movies were the series.
Garlick Jr Saga (season 1)-Dr.Willow Saga (season 2)-Turles Saga (seasons 3 and 4) -Lord Slug Saga (seasons 5 and 6)-Cooler Saga (seasons 7 and 8)-Meta Cooler (seasons 9 and 10)-Broly Saga (Seasons 11 and 12),etc
Changes
Goku goes Super Saiyan for the first time against Lord Slug.
Goku goes Super Saiyan 2 for the first time against Broly.
Goku goes Super Saiyan 3 for the first time against Janemba.
Vegeta goes Super Saiyan for the first time against Cooler.
Vegeta goes Super Saiyan 2 for the first time against Broly.
Gohan goes Super Saiyan for the first time against Broly
Gohan goes Super Saiyan 2 against Broly (From Second Coming.) so yeah it's now after Goku).
Broly is so powerful he can ever break timelines
@Qaaman,
How/when does Goku learn Instant Transmission, if he killed Frieza with the Spirit Bomb ?
I always saw the movies as little "What If" stories akin to the old Marvel comic series. They aren't connected in one universe (with the exception of the Broly movies), rather they are all little one-offs, as in they are the same as the main universe until the period when the movie takes place.
I always wondered why Gohan never become ssj2 in Broly first movie, now I understand why...
Bojack one of those movies that almost fit in perfectly
I think Bio Broly takes place after the 25th World Tournament while the other z fighters are busy dealing with majin buu.
Krillin was a statue during that time.
Favorite movie has to be Cooler's Revenge. Damn I wish he was canon
You can consider it canon no one can stop you bro
This video actually makes me like your modern voice now 😅, but then again you were also 7 years younger
What about plan to eradicate the super sayians?
Yes it was a special. I think it took place after the 1st broly movie.
+Kole Williams it was a full fledged movie about 50 minutes long but was never released like one. Later they did shortened it greatly and released it with Raging Blast 2. It still doesn't have an official English dub :(
Yeah I know:(
Personally I think Goku in GT flew away on Shenron creating a new timeline. We come back to "Path of Power" and the timeline starts over again.
The only two movies that fit into the story (apart from Battle of Gods and Resurrection F which are apart of the canon storyline) are Coolers Revenge which is set in the three year gap after Future Trunks killed Frieza and King Cold but before the Androids arrived and Bojack Unbound which is only like a couple of days after the end of the Cell Games.
Dillon Haggett BoG is being retconned.
what
***** no it's not.
It's Over 9000 Productions
Yes it is. Just wait.
***** Have you seen episode 2? It fits perfectly.
To explain how the Androids lost to Goku and the others in the Super Android 13 timeline, one must remember that Trunks was very confused as to why the Androids were so much stronger in the DBZ timeline than they were in Trunk's Ruined World (TRW) timeline. The explanation could be that in the TRW timeline, the androids succeeded in their initial coupe and killed Dr Gero earlier (before he became an android himself). Dr Gero in the DBZ timeline was however able to shut them down and make upgrades (as well as Android 16) trying to remove their rebellious behaviour at the same time, but was unsuccessful and resorted to making Android 19, who then helped Dr Gero become an Android. In the Super Android 13 timeline, it follows similarly to the TRW timeline with the exception that Goku and the others manage to get to Gero before he could make those upgrades to 17 and 18, making them similar in power to the ones in TRW timeline and weak enough that Goku would make a big difference in a showdown with them.
Aodhan Drain but dr gero was android in super 13 the opening show he was
Pretty sure Akira Toriyama has mentioned that the Bardock special IS canon
Did you see the date?
@@QaamansLand tbh I genuinely didn’t notice 🤣 I was playing the video for something to listen to while I’m at work
When it comes to the "Super Android 13" I think that when Goku took the antidote in time he killed 19 and 20 so that 17 and 18 were never activated so they didn't have to be strong enough to fight them cause they didn't have to.
Unseen Timeline 😂
17 and 18 are activated in that movie and they are deactivated by Original Future Trunks ( who killed by Imperfect Cell ) and then, Androids 13, 14 and 15 appears
Qaaman i got a question what race do you think recoome is??
Spermese
Ethan Cheng oh my god that's too funny
Ethan Cheng lmao
Aniel Arce I think recoome was an mutant android.
The Random Saiyan Well Jeice is a Space Australian idk about the others
I don't think you could take the antidote before his symptoms appears as trunks instructions.
_Wrath of the Dragon doesn't tie in very well with the History of Trunks, due to the fact Goku died of a heart disease and the Androids wreaked habit._
_It ties in better with either the GT or BoG. Yet the sword is nowhere to be found in either. GT is non canon too-_
_So Wrath of the Dragon can't be canon. Lel._
History of trunks and the dbz timeline are not the same.
The problem with this list is that it starts to feel crazier the further you go down the line. Considering the ripple effects that would have in between each individual movie storyline, I can't believe the original story would have continued. It is fun to think about these things though. I have tried very hard to figure out which movies I'm okay with watching when it comes to the series in general, but I do think it is important to know that they are basically side stories.
I always envision Tree of Might , Lord Slug, and Cooler's revenge taking place in the three years before the Androids attack.
Then how was Goku not a ssj for Tree of Might and Lord slug (false ssj does not count…)
@@thenotoriousone8404 good point.
There's no way Cooler takes place with Goku killing Frieza with the Spirit Bomb. Cooler pretty much states that it had to be Goku's Super Saiyan powers that defeated Frieza. Its also stated in Daizenshuu 7 that Cooler's Revenge takes place during the training for the Androids. Bojack Unbound has to take place after the Cell Games because it was Cell's self destruction that released Bojack in the first place. There's a ton of bits of info this timeline does not take into account.
But if cell dint blow op king kais planet how did bojac Get free from The planet
What if Cell blew king kais planet and died.
Did u guys notice that in movie 9 bojack unbound trunks knew bojacks name without ever hearing it... if u guys remember the scene where trunks appears in front of bojack and says BOJACK YOU WILL NOT TAKE THIS PLANET and then u watch the rest of the movie u realize that the only person that ever referred bojack as bojack is king kai and goku... even bojacks minions don't say bojack they say OUR LEADER OR OUR MASTER so how does trunks know bojack? Was there possibly a bojack in trunks future or trunks just know?
Broly: second coming takes place when goten and trunks are collecting the dragonballs to bring back the people fat buu killed, before he becomes super buu. Haven't you guys played buu's fury?
yes the video game buu's fury, but it plays out there almost exactly like in the movie, and it just fits well there. It might not necessarily be canon but its as good a place (or better) than any other option
Yeah it could fit in a scenario where Gotenks defeated Fat Buu but the only change and contradiction/plot hole I see is Gohan comes back to Earth after Fat Buu's defeat therefore now Mystic Gohan(Change) and Goten and Trunks for some reason don't use the Fusion Dance(Contradiction/Plot hole)
That’s a video game and even then bulma and Yamcha already collected the dragon balls.Then they make there first wish and goku calls of shenron and when they instant transmission back to kamis lookout goten and trunks started there training for fusion.So there’s really no time where goten and trunks would look for the dragon balls in the middle of the buu saga.Also gohan wouldn’t be on earth because he should be in the supreme kais world.
But wait, wouldn't Goku be a lot weaker in the timeline where lord slug showed up because he didn't get as much training as he did where Goku showed up late?
So a few things
1. I don't think gotenks defeating super buu makes much sense cause Goku got his life restored about the same time, unless you mean inside the hyperbolic time Chamber.
2. Goku may have defeated 17 and 18 with spirit bomb, but that could be hard to pull off.
3. WTF! No love for Eradicate the Sayains?
4. Lord Slug I thought was mentioned to be banished from Namek nothing more, but could be wrong haven't seen that movie in awhile, I should watch it.
Also 5. hahaha Also if Goku deafeted Frieza with spirit bomb I assume he left namek with everyone else on the the ship. So how the hell does he know Instant Transmission fighting cooler lol
Super late to this, but to touch on the Broly/Cell/How is Goku dying etc,
Would it be possible/ideal that since Cell is already dead, Goku would instead die during the fight with Broly (checks off that box) and that is what then triggers Gohan to achieve SSJ2? (Also checking off that box).
There are probably other variables I’m ignoring here, but just a thought/idea 🙂
I would of preferred Gohan defeating Buu more than Gotenks.
Couldn't you have placed history of trunks after the garlic Junior saga though? It would explain why he shows up and set it up better
My favorite DBZ movie is Broly hands down.
Demetri Anderson true
Agreed
I just wish they had a better reason for him hating goku.
Demetri Anderson For me it's History Of Trunks :3
Battle of Gods was decent at best. But we all know it's not the best DBZ movie.
Sounds like vegeta killed 19
Gero never got away , instead he got caught androids 17,18 never activated.
But 13 did
None of this movies make sense timeline wise so this video is pointless in my opinion
MetroidLord1 if you actually watch the video you'll understand that there are connection between them
That doesn't matter they are non-canon either way
MetroidLord1 it was just an interesting theory I wanted to share
The irony here is: if the video is irrelevant (despite being your opinion) that immediately makes your comment irrelevant since there was no reason to make it.
MetroidLord1 The Broly movies fit. The first one is a bit of a stretch as it takes place during the 10 day waiting period until the Cell Games, The second one takes place before the Martial Arts Tournament in the Buu Saga and the third takes place after the Buu Saga.
The video game Buus Fury put a pretty good placement on when Fusion Reborn happened
Broly becomes good because of Goku and becomes a Z fighter and lives in Earth with everyone lol big change
TheStormmast3r what? broly could never be a good guy
Chris Hall He would be a lot more reasonable and intelligent if he hadnt been deprived from sleeping as a baby because of Gokus crying.
But he would still be a Saiyan,which would still make him aggressive and give him a natural fighting instinct.
TheStormmast3r he's too strong the writers would never let him do that
TheStormmast3r broly as a good guy: he would train with the other Z fighters until the buu saga: lets pretend he doesnt kill spopovich and yamu at the tournament and all events happen normally: as soon as vegeta turns majin broly would put him down and then kill babidi. what if buu got released: broly snaps his neck like a twig ( assuming he trained)
Sandro Guzelj You cant kill Buu by snapping his neck.
I dont think he even has bones.
Also,there are two reasons why Broly is evil:
1.: Psychic trauma due to the fact that he couldnt sleep as a baby because of Gokus crying
2.: He is a Saiyan.
I like the movies making up the events of the Unseen Timeline
ERMERGERD ANERTHER QUERMERN VERDIO
roflmao
I'm not wholly convinced by this whole timeline but it's an explanation. As people have said the whole Bojack Unbound placement has to be wrong because the trigger for that was King Kai's planet being destroyed by Perfect Cell self-destruct. I have an idea in regards to Wrath of the Dragon and Goku and Friends Return, I would have a time split after Kid Buu with Wrath of the Dragon leading on to Dragon Ball GT (Showing why Adult Trunks has a sword in that) and Goku Returns continuing the main timeline into Super, Battle of Gods and F.
Fusion Reborn movie actually makes sense in the DBZ timeline
not exactly. goku and vegeta aren't dead at the same time gohan is still on earth
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I know that was a lot but that’s all the proof you need to confirm that those are most definitely one in the same Broly, but confirms that SOME OF the movie characters are quite real in the main timeline, they just haven’t met most of them yet. Cooler will eventually circle the universe hearing of his brothers defeat, resurrection and new power. Slug and Turles as well. My only hope is when or if they do Turles, he’s mega amped off the tree of might already so that would be just a small sub point. Make it so he’s eaten enough to be At least as strong as . Then have him go Ozaru and then eat the tree of might. My head cannon. I’d hate for them to just let him get super.
Actually the first 2 broly movies are 100% consistent with the main time line. Look at this, Goku and Gohan train for nearly a year in the time chamber and when they emerge Cell calls for the Cell games and gives them 10 days. During these 10 days only filler material was put into place, so it could be that Broly LSS could take place then. Now, second coming would be after the seven year gap, and Goku was killed by Cell and Gohan is a super saiyan 2 and this takes place just before the next tournament. The only inconsistency I can think of for this is why were they hunting the dragon balls? Maybe it was Trunk's idea or Gotens as they were the ones looking, but I digress, it still fits in perfectly, as for Goten saying, I wish dad were here, he could say that because of how highly Gohan and the others speak of him, and maybe they told him that Goku beat Broly before. As for Bio Broly, this movies fits in perfectly but only if Vegeta survives, so I can agree with the timeline they gave for that.
The problem is, during the 10 days gap, Goku and Gohan wanted to stay Super Saiyan until the Cell Games begin and in LSSJ Broly you didn't see them both being Super Saiyans.
Lightning I agree completely, but like I said, that 10 day gap was 100% filler so it could easily be over written.
You're wrong about Second coming taking place in the seven years for two reason. Gohan knows Videl and Goten can fly. Gohan and Videl met and Goten learned to fly after the 7 years
Livrax Ooh good point then maybe in the time where they were training for the tournament then? The kids were always mischievous so seeing them look for the dragonballs wouldn't be so far-fetched.
+33jedi maybe
the DBZ timeline making the Zelda timeline look like it makes sense
With the Android 13 time line, Piccolo-Kami's fusion showed he could have been able to kill weak Cell, and then with further help handled the other Androids - with the odd possible twist of 18 and Krillin.
The way it seemed to work out is that whoever made the movies was taking elements of DBZ and using them to make films. Later on, I don't know which movie it was, but then they started making the movies line up with the timeline. The exercise here seems to be, we're trying to make this make sense with our own logic. Trying to get around the fact, consistency with the timeline wasn't the point of the movies at the beginning. Like we're trying to unearth the secret of how the timeline and movies work out when there is none. That's how it comes off.
I don't mind the exercise of trying to make it make sense, but let's at least know the black and white facts of the movies and how and why they were made in the first place.
There is also an inconsistency with where "cooler's revenge" fell in the time line. The reason being is that after Goku defeated Frieza, trunks arrived on earth and it wasn't until that point that he returned back to the earth. So if Goku was on earth after defeating frieza, Cooler's revenge would have had to have taken place after Trunks arrived.
I reckon that it's a timeline where Goku didn't spend as long on Yardrat thus arriving on Earth much earlier, so he at least gets the hang of Instant Transmission but he doesn't master the SSJ form and so can't access it at will.
I think Bojack Unbound would fit perfectly after the Cell saga. There's no reason why it couldn't. It and the 13th movie fit perfectly.
Same
I feel that a dead zone timeline should just branch into the battle with raditz except everyone knows who gohan is, which wouldn't make any difference in the timeline from my point of view.
You could fit Lord Slug better by placing it right before Cooler's Revenge in the "Frieza dies by the Spirit Bomb" timeline. That would explain that fake super saiyan form