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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- There have been a ton of reports and quotes coming out regarding the Toronto Raptors, and when we put it all together all signs are pointing to a Jakob Poeltl trade incoming. Ben Rogers breaks down all of the latest new and what it means for the Raptors moving forward
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I said we should trade Jak and draft Edey or whatever other center is available. I'd love that #9 pick and bring Kennard back. This is a move that has to be made, as we're not in win now mode for Jak to stick around here.
I love the idea, trading for yak was horrible in hindsight, but made some sense at the time. If we can leverage the 9th pick+a consistent floor spacer for Scottie, this is a success. Hell, we might even draft the same player we would’ve taken at 7 so we barely lost anything
Something was just off in the 2022-23 season. Look at this starting roster and tell they they shouldn't have competed in the east: Jak, Siakam, Barnes, OG, FVV. NN and FVV had their minds elsewhere. Hindsight is what it is though, shit got bad real quick. The trade suggested in this video makes the Raptors even worse though so that won't happen. A trade involving Aldama would make more sense, but the Grizz won't want that.
We don't have the 9th pick haha try 19th
@@chadarsenault6384 In the trade mentioned the Raps would receive the 9th pick for the 19th and 31st picks.
@@chadarsenault6384 No, the Grizzlies do.. hence us trading for it
@chadarsenault6384 the video was about trading Jakob for the 9th pick, did you even watch the video?
I'm a fan of Yak and he helped the team out when we had Siakam and OG. Thing is, if he wants to be with a competitive team (which I don't blame him), he's on the older side and can be taken advantage of with team that need that ASAP. Raptors need the size, but they're not a contending team. Lots of trades are going to happen on draft night I can guarantee it!
I can see Grizzlies making a play for Jak. They are in a win now position. He would fit in nicely there.
I been saying Jak is going to get traded for a first round pick we draft Edey or Clingan at 9 because he's falling in the draft and at 19 we take Keyshawn George plus the 31st pick we're gonna be competitive next year
Yeah, after going virtually centerless pre Poeltl trade the Raptors are once again looking to go centerless and put SB through what Siakam went through - make it make sense 🤦🏾♂. These type of reports are nothing more than facetious balderdash, unless a starting caliber center is coming back in any potential JP trade, like say a Jarrett Allen. IQ, RJ, SB, JP is a quality starting quartet and the Raptors need to find the starting piece that fits within that foursome. The Raptors can either go RJ at SG or SF and SB at SF or PF depending on what type of player the Raptors think can best maximize that aforementioned foursome's collective talents. Whether it's re-signing GTJ, signing a free agent like Patrick Williams or trading for someone else- time will tell.
raptors are in rebuild, dont need a center or jakob. means higher picks in next 2 years without one. thats where your disconnnect is thinking raptors need jakob in a rebuild where they are trying to get a bottom 5 pick next 2-3 years
They could always sign a spot center in free agency like we had with Khem Birch and Aron Baynes. A guy like a Goga Bitadze, James Wiseman or Jalen Smith would be really good pieces to pick up.
@@e1ic1i would take a flyer on wiseman, the tools are there maybe toronto can work on his game and he can be a passable center.
@@roblawton9944 Yes for sure. Has the build of a great center, just needs to get there
I would be incredibly surprised if they traded yak
Some ppl will call it tanking. I think they just want to try and win, but with young players. Trade any non future guys and lose by trying to win with young guys
Yep that’s what I’m saying let the young guys develop and gel see what that gets us in the 2025 draft which apparently is much better than this years. In the 25-26 season you begin to sign or trade for big name players that compliment the core.
Dont forget without Jak, we recorded 4W28L
some solid tanking statistics
@@ScottieDPOYY No. Even b4 we traded Pascal, we record 2w9l without Jak.
if the offer is right goodbye jakob
I like Yak, but this would be a solid deal for both sides. Then the question becomes, "How do the Raptors fill the void at Centre?" I'm assuming they would use the #9 to select Edey. I'm not crazy about Kennard, but with two more picks in the draft, the Raptors could strike gold elsewhere and really start to piece together an exciting new squad. Even if they aren't super competitive, I think the fan base will be pumped for the future.
Edey? Pick an actual top 10 with that pick (Holland, Buzelis...) and waste the 19th if you want in Edey or Kel'el (hopefully he's still available)
WE NEED EDEY
Tidjane salaun!!
Get edey for him
I would think Memphis waits to see Donovan Clingan falls if he goes top 3 or to Portland at 7 they could do this?
Jak + 31 pick + Jalen McD = Luke + 9th + Ziaire Williams if Salaun on board. At 19 you would have to go Missi or Ware. This also lets Gary go unless he signs for MLE
You might have to keep Chris and just have Darko get over himself. No reason you can’t keep Chris if he just adds PF depth or C in a pinch. Trade Chris for second pick at deadline if team is out of playin.
Memphis wants to stay below the lux tax. Trading Poetl to them means getting a guaranteed contract back like Clarke and probably Konchar. Even then they could view Edey or Missi being impactful enough bigs at 9 to not need Poetl.
Trade Jakob for 9th Pick (Tidjuan Salaun)
Trade BB + 19th Pick for a pick before 15 to get Edey
Tidjaun is falling lately, he might be available at 19... pick and actual top 10 in Holland/Buzelis
trade him asap
It's possible but unlikely Jak gets traded at the draft. If he does go to Memphis I'd rather Branden Clarke and Zaire Williams come back instead of Kennard. Raps need to keep 19th pick but maybe give up 31st pick. If Topic is available at 9 that would be worth it. Unlikely Castle at 9 but would be a steal. Then pick up Ware, Holmes or DaSiva at 19 rebuild complete.
topic tore his acl and is dropping on draft boards because of it. topic will likely be available at 9-10
@@giovanni-ed7zqAnd Topic's measureables came up short. It turns out he has a negative wingspan lol
@@scarboroboy topic has high basketball IQ and is the best passer in the draft. desmon bane also has a negative wingspan. topic if he is there at 9 is a top 4 pick and best talent available. also if topic is recovering from acl surgery in 2025 season then it helps the raptors get a higher pick as well.
It wont be Kennard, it would be Marcus Smart. And it would include a pick swap -
Jak and the 19th for Smart, another player and the 9th pick. Even if it is Kennard, it will be with a pick swap. Who they gonna get at 9, that is just as valuable as Edey at 19?
Knecht would be nice, but is another Kennard. There are a few nice picks at 9, but I cant see one being a better fit for T.O than Edey. So why make he move?
Cause Edey will likely be gone at 19
its luke kennard or raptors including gradey dick in the deal
because nicola topic who has an acl tear and needs surgery who was top 4 pick is now at 9-10 range.
I think Ben is bang on. Keeping Jak for next year is the difference between having a late lottery pick and potentially a top 5 pick in a much deeper draft. If the Raps want to return as a championship team they need to move on from Jak
Weaker draft but we want to move up. Smoke screen from darko
Take the 9th pick and take Devin Carter (we need him). (Topic can be a nice one too if he’s available)
take 9th pick and pick zach edey, he is worth it.
@@giovanni-ed7zq Edey is totally my first choice for sure, a big prospect. We can have a lot of opportunities with the 9th pick.
That's a straight up salary dump. I see Masai doing that if he's a big believer in Edey or any center available at 9. Doubtful Memphis does that even if you include 19+31. They are hovering over the lux tax. They are more likely to dump Kennard and draft a C. Unless you switch out Kennard for Brendan Clarke + filler (Konchar?). At least, Memphis gets out of a guaranteed contract. They can dump Kennard and draft Furphy or Scheierman as cheap replacements. This wouldn't be a salary dump for Raptors as they would be stuck with injury-prone Clarke for 3 years. Might be worth it if they believe in Edey and Clarke.
I’m starting to think it’s possible Kyle filipowski drops to us at 19. He’s literally a younger kelly O with higher upside and the same floor
filipowski is probably one of the last guys they pick at 19 if everyone else on their list is gone.
Filipowski is soft on defense Raps need a rim running shot blocker who can shoot. Ware first option Holmes next, Missi next, then...maybe Filipowski soft as Charmin.
Kyle and his negative wingspan would be nice pick up at 31. Prefer Missi at 19. He owned Kyle in their last matchup.
filipowski is underrated like jaime, prob be there at 19
@@cissem4025 properly rated at 25.
Just because they're rebuilding doesn't mean every player has to be the same age. Poeltl's only 28! Gasol was 34 when the raps won their chip.
ya but if they trying to get top 5 pick next 2 years, not having jakob helps them get that top lottery pick. end of the day jakob wont be around when they ready to compete. better to ship jakob out now, while his value the highest and still get a 1st round pick for him. as he ages and declines and slows down, likely have to give up assets to move him in his 3rd and 4th year.
I’m trading yak, Bruce and bouchier now.
I would be beyond happy if we traded Poeltl to Memphis for #9 pick to draft Cody Williams, then we draft a floor spacing big with the #19 pick like Holmes or Filipowski
Edey and salaun are in masais radar
@@charleson5918 I hope not, neither of them fit raptors
Guys are crazy. Lol. Ain’t no way Masai is trading Yak. It’s just not gonna happen for assets anyway. Masai simply doesn’t make those types of deals.
I can see Jak traded and it will mean a drafted big is coming in. Agreed that Masai will not go back to a team with no true 5. That was a brutal time.
Putting Masai in a box based on how he operated under completely different circumstances is a fool’s errand
True
jakobs value declines and his value likely the highest its gonna be right now. raptors going into rebuild for top 5 picks next 3 years, dont need yak. not having him actually helps the rebuild
@giovanni-ed7zq
Looking for top 5 picks the next 3 years? So you may as well scrap the 'build around Barnes' thing because he will want out asap.
Congrats, you've made the Toronto Pistons.
I hope the get rid of yak he's to slow and not a floor spacer he just clogs lanes and that's not what we need
At 7 foot tall, he isn't that slow at all compared to many. Your kind acts like ELITE 7 footers fall off trees, yet they don't. Most Centers clog up lanes yep, many teams win with that type of Center. In fact, almost every team that ever won had that. Dallas's two solid Centers do not space the floor. Minesota's didn't either yet they faced off in WCF..
Just put some thought into this stuff ya know?
@@ScottieDPOYY jak cant shoot the 3 so he isnt a good fit, and on older side also.
Why trade Yak? Otherwise we'll be looking for the next Alex len, aaron baynes or khem birth hello?
because nicola topic who is top 4 pick, had injury and needs surgery and is now in the 9-10 range
Ayeee
Gotta fire coach Darko first!!! That's a start!!!
Yeah trade Poetl for number 9 and draft Holland or Williams at 9 and at 19 take Edey or Tyler Smith! Get your Nic Claxton in FA!
I miss the boys...
I'd trade Jakob and a future 2nd rounder,
for
#9,
Clarke, if they're looking to get off his 3 years.
And cap filler
I would say they should trade him
rip Jerry West
Yak can’t catch lobs, can’t shoot, slow and can’t defend multiple positions, can’t score without an assisted basket, can’t make FT. All he is good at tbh is being tall and standing in the paint…
This take is so laughable, I will just laugh rather than actually debate it. I guess It is safe to assume you have never watched Yak play? Cool cool
one of the highest fg% despite not dunking much, his touch is incredible
@@ScottieDPOYY Cause you have 0 knowledge to substantiate your claims. You are just emotional over the truth and want my attention. So you resort to school grade insults and typical defeated responses. Something like 80 plus percent of his FG are assisted baskets. He can’t post up, face up, put the ball down on the floor, make contested shots, create his own offense, can’t even hit a FT to be playable in close out games, no mid range game whatsoever. All he can do consistently is standing layups off wide open dish passes, stand in the paint and be tall, no switch ability or lateral quickness whatsoever. You know nothing about basketball if you think this guy is worth his 20 million a season contract, as an aging player who destroys all floor spacing when he’s on the court.
@@tough3600 He only takes wide open standing layups, doesn’t even dunk.. It’s not hard to maintain a high FG percentage when almost all your baskets are assisted like that right at the rim and you are 7’1. Makes it a lot harder for his teammates to get to the basket with the lack of spacing though. The guy can’t shoot, not even FT. Unplayable in the 4th quarter. Not worth it for 20 plus million dollar player.
@@ScottieDPOYY Almost all his baskets are assisted FG and he makes the court spacing bad. He can’t spot up, no low post up, no high post game, no mid range, no lobs, can’t shoot FT, can’t switch defend. You know nothing about basketball and are just a raptors super fan in denial. You can’t even Substantiate your opinion but still want my attention. So you leave weak reply, pretending as if you are knowledgeable about hoops and resorting to school grade banter cause you are upset about the truth. 😂
Get Edey
Trade him for the 9 th pick
The salary cap is going up to. So yaks contract will look even better. No way in hell we trade any of our picks for the number nine pick.
Honestly there’s not a massive drop off in skill from 9 to 19th pick in this draft. So that would be hella stupid to do
Why would u even pay him 20 still tho just cause the cap going up?? I love jak but the trade never made sense even at the time and we need youth that can grow not a player thats already a finished product. We also need to be worse next year cause the drafts are going to be amazing
@@andrei4617 We had no Center at the time, so we traded for one. How did that not make sense? Team was in win mode and we needed a center. Not sure there was a better trade to be made at the time
@@ScottieDPOYY come on man.. win mode with pascal as our best player. No diss to spicy p but we were never gonna get past the first round even with jak at C. Not a jak hater at all but we were simply never going to be good enough
They needed more than a center. I don’t hate the Poeltl trade, given the fact he was a solid acquisition and solved the team’s rebounding and rim-protection, but the lack of shooting and depth still remained problems. The shooting didn’t improve until they got Quickley and Barrett (also helps that Gradey started to shoot well around that time). The depth is still weak, although with guys like Gradey and Kelly, plus a potential backup PG, backup SF, and a backup rim-protector, I’m optimistic that it will improve over time. But for a win-now team back then, there were simply too many problems to address.
dont worry jaks gone because jak said he dont want to be on a rebuilding team
Masai, Just get our draft pick back from San Antonio! Fix what was one of the dumbest moves ever in the NBA! Then resign!
Get claxton and it’s a done deal
What’s the obsession with Claxton from this fan base ? He can’t do anything other than run the floor and dunk. Also he’s not a good free throw shooter. Might as well just draft Missi who will do the same but cheaper.
Why not just draft a younger, much cheaper 5 instead of overpaying for Claxton?
there will be enough interest for claxton that he wont choose toronto unless they offer him 45 million a year for 5 years.
Stupid!!! Raps don’t need Like Kinnard. That is worst the Bruce Brown debacle
The point of the trade is to get younger. And get a good player in a stacked draft next year
i agree no way any team is offering a 9th pick for bruce brown, would have to include gradey dick in the deal to get the 9th for bruce brown.
Shouldn’t of used a 1st for Yak in the first place.. fans were far too clingy to Siakam and Fred..
This is what accountability looks like after betting on role players to carry a franchise.
Siakim was arguably the best player for Indiana during the playoffs. They went to the ECF
@@JPHolling I would say nembhard was their best player, but that’s up for debate.
However, context is everything.. who did Indiana beat to get to ECF? Struggled with bucks without Giannis.. struggled with Knicks without Randle, OG and Robinson, then got swept in ECF.
If you ask me, Siakam was gift wrapped the ECF appearance, not so much off skill.
@@rulz2663 Nembhard had some really good games. But I'd recommend looking at his playoff stats. Definitely not even close to as good as Siakims. I also really wanted him in the Siakim trade.
And yea I agree. They had an easy road. But I think you are really undervaluing the skill set of players like Siakim, Fred, and OG ( I know you didn't mention OG but he was a core guy) all very talented players, just didn't fit together
@@JPHolling I don’t mention OG because he was sacrificed to speed up our rebuild because we lost Fred and Siakam for nearly nothing.. Most fans wanted OG to stay.
I don’t undervalue Siakam, I just know he’s not a supermax or max player. He’s a good third option on a championship team.
Next year will tell us if Indiana’s ECF was a fluke or not.
@@rulz2663 fair enough. He isn't your ideal first option max player. But he definitely is a max player and likely a 3rd option on a championship team.
But let's face it, there's only maybe 7 to 10 first option players in this league. Almost impossible to get. And then you need to build a proper team around them.
#9 in this draft aint great. I know everyone wants a top pick bc it looks good but its not. Id rather young players like clarke so u know what ur getting. Otherwise yak n brown will go wont go. Raps rarely do what "reports" say. Otherwise wed of drafted suggs lol
you only getting clarke if you including gradey dick and 19th back to memphis. thats the whole point in that you are getting filler and 9th pick for jakob poeltl is likely overpay anyways.
also you kind of clueless, the reason why raptors are doing this is because nicola topic who is top 4 pick tore his acl and needs surgery so he is falling in the draft ranks so the raptors can likely get him at 9. but he wont play next season as he will be recovering form surgery likely. that is fine because raptors are in a 3-4 year rebuild.
@@giovanni-ed7zq not clueless lol literally EVERYONE is saying that. Everyone hears the same rumors n its common knowledge. Will it play out? No not a chance lol its not a secret lol yak n brown wont get u it. Keep dreaming bc nba organiz arnt stupid. Its the same bs year after year n if it was up to u guys we would have suggs at #4 lmao. Raps dont let info slip ur just geussing lol
@@cayl5066 the grizzlies greatest need is a 7 ft defensive center who protects the rim.
i am being realistic in you are not getting a brandon clark and 9th pick in a trade for jakob poeltl. if raptors get the 9th pick for jakob poeltl, its because they are eating salary in players the grizzlies dont want. it creates 500k in cap space also for grizzlies who will then have 1 million cap space under the luxury tax. with yuta watanabe declining his player option and going to japan, grizzlies will have about 4 million in cap space.
regardless its well known from jakob poeltl statements last summer that he didnt leave the spurs to come to another rebuilding situation as he said openly. jakob wants to compete for championships on playoff teams, and raptors wont be that for a good 3-4 years. so you know based on that, jakob poeltl is quietly asking for a trade out of toronto. its why bobby webster in his interview didnt include jakob poeltl as part of the core or name him as part of the veteran leadership moving forward. bobby only mentioned garett temple and kelly olynyk as veteran leadership moving forward.
Yet theyve made no moves. No trades. Not contact optio s. Theyve sat on the dildo and still enjoying themselves and not the job at hand. The minnesota timberwolves just got dillingham for milk and cookies. That could have been us. Or trade jacob to memphis. Now they got edey. This is pathetic. Im ok with walter. But the raptors have done nothing to make you think they are interested. They should have already resigned i.q. im embarassed.