but don't Africans do the same thing in the us? because they sometimes isolate themselves from black Americans. Its normal for people to have a stronger connection to their fraternal ethnic group.
How do Africans segregate themselves? Do they invite Africans and Africans refuse to socialize. This is not true. African keep to themselves often bcos they are safer that way. How safe is the African with the BA when economics is involved? All over the World for safety African keep away and to themselves not be cos they want to segregate. There are communities in the UD like little Haiti Chinatowns Korean and various Asian communities, there are the Jewiah community or neighborhoods, name African towns or villages set aside by or for African immigrants in the US or anywhere in Europe and America. Are there even housing estates occupied solely by African immigrants i. e built and set up by and for themselves? Who knows I may be wrong kindly correct me. We have enough issues than to so seeds for future conflicts. Disaporans are welcomed as brothers and sisters and family and citizens not as separate gated tribes. They can form communities but not closed in. Let us not even go into the open hate and sabotage by the diasporans against African in streets and workplace etc by Diasporans for real. Yeah its there. Let's be sober about this. There are countless outstanding and excellent people amongst them diaaporans, never the less we need to prepare for harmony, joy and patriotism among the people. Come loving Africa and her people no matter how dirty, illiterate uneducated and backward you see us. If you do not prime up your love barometer for the people , fact is other races are lined up to come into Africa. Africa traditionally turns no one away bcos they are closest to God in nature bcos of high spirituality. I mean well by means. Tnx
It's not true. Africans in the United States do not separate themselves from African Americans. However, it could happen unintentionally or because of cheap accomodations or something else. Not because they create an elite community. Is there any elite community of Africans in the United States? I would like to know. Elitism, classicism, people respecting their personal spaces in public, individualism etc. are all American, European & western cultures. These things & many others do not exist in African societies. If African Americans or any other African diaspora go to Africa & create elite communities, individualism, classicism etc. they will have problems in Africa. They must destroy the American, European & western cultures & mentalities in them, visit Africa & learn how the people live, know more about the societies etc. before deciding to return to live in Africa. Do you know why the former Liberian president Samuel Doe plotted a coup against the African American president of Liberia? It's because when the freed slaves were taken to Liberia they started discriminating & looking down on the Liberian natives. The African Americans created elites communities only for African Americans, classicism, individualism etc. And they governed Liberia exclusively & refused Liberian natives from taking part in government & economy. This continued for a very long time & the native Liberians were extremely unhappy until a native Liberian Captain in the military called Samuel Doe plotted a coup, k***** the president, some of his family, members of his government etc. So African Americans must forget about the bad American cultures, go to Africa, learn about the societies before returning to live. If not they won't be able to live in Africa or they won't be happy in Africa. I can assure you that 100%. I know what l'm talking about. There's nothing like individualism, nothing like l'm standing here why are you standing so close to me? Stand a few metres away from me etc. because this is my personal space. In Africa anybody talks to anybody anywhere & can ask any questions personal or not even if they have never seen you before. People greet each other whether they know you or not & it doesn't matter if they are seeing you for the very first time. & If you don't respond, frown or ignore the greetings, you will be considered as a bad person, a badly educated person etc. & People could even hate you because of that. Good manners, respect, polite etc. are just a few of the characters of Africans. Men are always head of the family irrespective of whether the man & his wife are working or not or only the wife works. The woman must cook & serve food for the husband & family & husband never serves food for the wife & family with the wife sitting & watching as it could happen in America & other western countries. The wife respects the husband & would never send him to bring water, food etc. for her when she's not sick, not busy or if she can do it by herself but just decides to send the husband. It's not possible. It doesn't happen.
@@marysimpsons7545 no that's not true. The americo-liberians were not toppled because of (the so-called country people) They were toppled by the US government and there is proof that the CIA was involved in that coup d'etat, with that being said even if they didn't start an elite class. They were still different. And by the way, they did mixed in, most americo-liberians have indigenous bloodline because they married a lot of those people. You don't know the history of Liberia that very well... Dude I remember years ago there was this Nigerian function here in the San Fernando valley of a lot of Nigerians and they were very isolated, I waved and say hello, they say nothing. Coincidentally years ago I remember passing by in all Indian function. And they were so nice they were inviting, they wanted me to come in because I was curious about it, I declined, but they did offer me food. I got none of that from the Nigerians. Again, people have a need to be around other groups of people that they are ethnically close to, Africans are tribal and so are black Americans. Yoruba and Igbo only get along because they have to. It Doesn't mean that they get along, in fact, I think that they only tolerate each other. Of course black Americans are going to have their own community, and they going to have an elite class, something that's probably going to happen naturally.
Very good conversation by everyone but that Tina you actually made me think on a different level.Master Grabs is one smooth intellectual. Love this dialogue as there was a good representation of both sides.
Diasporans do not cause the prices to go up. It is the Ugandan owners of the properties that are raising the prices. Diasporans are not demanding to pay a higher price than Ugandans. Ugandans see that they can get more, so they charge more. So put the blame where it belongs, Ugandans are making it harder for other Ugandans due to their own price gouging.
Both the diaspora & the Ugandan owners of properties are responsible. If there's no crazy demand, no crazy willingness to pay higher or highest the Ugandan property owners will sell at low prices as usual. So l think the diaspora shouldn't be buying things with skyrocketing prices. They should pay as the Ugandans. Or the Ugandan government could establish some limits. Uganda & Africa as a whole shouldn't become New York or western nations with crazy prices.
This is a very real conversation that I think Africans the entire continent over should include themselves in. Lord knows I faced heavy backlash; corruption and exploitation moving to South Africa and operating in my industry more than 20 years ago. I was amazed at how people treated me, knowing that I am a fellow African versus how they treated me when they knew that I actually came from the West after being partly educated there. I got hatred from people from my own country that presented themselves to be friends but the truth is that they were envious and competitive simply because I was educated in the West and felt I had a degree of privilege.
@@WilliamWoolf-bs9uv probably because of the historical racism prevalent in American society. Gotta remember, Black American's have only recently been granted rights as actual citizens 50-60 years ago, prior to that they were relegated to the lowest caste of society and treated like 2nd class citizens. It's difficult to build in a society that doesn't want you, that's why it's so common for Black Americans to have an idealized view of Africa because they see a society where everyone is black so they want to contribute to that instead of the US
So many gems dropped here. The one liners, witty exchanges, top notch. Salute to this podcast. Informative and entertaining. Blk American from NYC representing. Much love to African diaspora globally.
I'm sorry I hope no one get offended, but the only thing she said it's that people from the diaspora is privileged, economically speaking, I think it is obvious, but that doesn't allow no one to take advantage as they do .
I thank you guys soooo much for getting together just to discuss how to bring our ppl together to make a better tomorrow. THIS is the important message because if we don't help ourselves as blk ppl NO ONE ELSE WILL.
Exactly...this is why when Africans come to America they're not very welcoming...very nasty towards us and they teach this in Africa to stay away from us when they come to America...wow...the division
They do not know better! The history of slavery is not properly and deeply taught!! We do not tell of story!! Look at the Jews, they literally sing the HOLOCAUST into the face of everyone!!
If we actually knew history, american negroe would know they aren't African in the first place, but some continue without any actual geological documents to prove this. One doesn't even know there is no proof that transatlantic slave trade happened with African slaves. As archives in America, Spain and Europe have absolutely no records in national archives.
This Podcast is killing the game. I've started a successful business in Uganda but only saw it flourish as I stepped back and let my locally born employee take the lead and be the face of the business, which I have no problem with at all because I had planned to eventually hand the business over anyway. Within the city I live in it has been a struggle to find electronics stores, appliance dealers, carpenters, electricians, or any skilled labor that is honest in business dealings or has any sense of integrity to provide the services that they claim to be able to. After DESPERATELY wanting to spend my money locally, I've found myself going to my Indian friend for televisions, phones, and home appliances. Even flaunting your purchases made somewhere else doesn't change the behavior of the local shop owners. I've grown tired of explaining that coming to your shop is not to bring you a GIFT, it is a business exchange. I still fail to understand how they become annoyed when they don't have what you want in their shop and almost insist that you buy some alternative junk and "give" them money. Great Podcast, keep doing the good work.
As a Ugandan, I have no beef with anyone doing business with indians, Chinese or European. I was never raised a separatist. I grew up at Mengo in the capital of the kingdom with so many indians they owned all the shops there. We shared the same public swimming pool and alot of their kids were my friends.
Podcast was so good I had to watch it again. Tina effectively said that diasporans cannot expect honesty and integrity in business just because that is what we are used to.. 😂..I'm going to move around with my laptop and watch this with my Ugandan friends in town . Thanks to KENGANDA for opening the conversation.
Essentially. Completely ignorant to defend dishonest, lack of integrity behavior. Black ppl are too far at the bottom to not have the tightest values system, ESPECIALLY amongst each other.
Thanks for these frank conversations. As a diaspora person who does business in Ug, I fully agree! It's the value system that leads to, as you called it "the short end of the stick" Keep up the good work Kenganda.
Excellent Conversation..And honestly I felt this way but couldn't articulate it. I've often wondered why the different African Immigrants here in the US tend to live among and do business specifically with each other vs in Black Community and it kinda pissed me off but listening to this I see why and what ur saying makes perfect sense.. 🖤💯
This was a really good conversation. I’m African American, but I would never expect to be treated any different than the locals if I ever visited Africa. I guess we African Americans aren’t used to that. Here in the U.S. it’s a hit or miss. My wife and I have many different experiences when we go places. We take pride in the way we dress and articulate ourselves. A lot of times we will go to establishments that are predominately white, and interact with people there. Most of the times were treated like a anyone else, but there have been rare cases where the people were almost shocked that we didn’t act “ghetto”.
Do you honestly believe Africans and Black Americans share the same culture? The answer is no , so why wouldn't I as an African want to hang out with people from my country or region. I'm from Liberia and I'd ignore an Ethiopian just the same as a black American. So don't take it personal, it's a culture thing . West Africans don't even eat cheese or sugar in our traditional foods . East Africans be eating all kinds of milk and weird stuff , the same way black Americans be making sugary candy yams and cheesy macaroni. We're different, and it's ok. I don't hate you , I just rather chill with people who "get me"
@@analyticalmindset True but we have to stop being mad when white people do the same . There is a reason why a lot of countries are closing their borders or decreasing the amount of immigrants allowed into their countries. They want to protect their culture , heritage, and history. If Africans like you want to hang with people “who get you” then perhaps Africans need to repair their own countries and stop running to the West and Asia for opportunities. Nothing personal, but if you did this you would be able to stay where you are and with the people who get you.
Black Americans and Africans are not the same people. Figi island black people are not the same as Africans. Australia aboriginals black people are not the same as Africans. You have different type black people world wide.
Wow the dude in the red was killing it. It’s so true. In the West we do have corruption but it’s on a higher level. Everyday common small business core practices are in fact basic, daily and taken for granted. It’s natural to want to navigate towards folks who have your same values, practice, services, and visions. This same issues exist from what I heard a lot in Ghana, some in Gambia, and in Kenya, Senegal, Ivory Coast , Zambia, Nigeria, Ethiopia and Rwanda. Black Americans an expats, blacks from Europe and Jamaica must work together!!!!!!
I like these types of discussions. It is better to talk about it together, then to keep it hidden while harboring negative feelings and thoughts about Africans on the continent and those in the diaspora.
Do the diasporans drive prices up, or do the owners of those businesses and real estate drive prices up? Don't foreigners get overcharged in general in [insert African country]?
I have been watching ODJ for several years now and he seems to be successfully working with indigenous Africans and Diasporans. And the indigenous brothers and sisters are having a chance to benefit from his drive, knowledge, and business acumen. Keep up the good work! Wishing you peace and blessings from Southern California.
There is no such thing as Indigenous Africans...Indigenous are the Native American Indians(Negroes)…knock it off! Indigenous Africans...two different people.
Sir we are still talking about native Africans living overseas and coming back for decades now 😂. AA are just starting to trickle in - it’s still very much a trend and they’re yet to make a lasting impact. You seem to assume it’s only AA.
@@africanglobalnomad when did AA become responsible for making ANY impact in countries they choose to move to. They come with their own money and resources and don't absorb any social benefits provided by foreign governments, and usually only CONTRIBUTE to the economy by spending money and starting businesses with ZERO government or local support, So who do they owe anything to?
But the FBAs African hating spokespersons say African immigrants "don't like them" when they form own communities in the US - hence the African Carribean immigrants catch hell from so called FBAs!
@@lemungagenu5103 Black Americans don't have a "spokesperson" is that ignorant older Ugandan man from the earlier street interviews the spokesperson for Uganda? And I don't believe the person you're referring to actually hates Africans, although he is a Black American and we tend to give what we get, in attitude, respect, courtesy, service, and value. It's called transparency.
@@Silverbackugx What part of "FBA African hating spokespersons" against African/Carribean immigrants, do you choose not to understand? You argue like a woman. Red herrings all over, like Kevin Samuele showed his audience. Shame on you. You wouldn't last 2 minutes against Tina in this podcast! It's simple, compare your welcome experience in that Uganda (Africa) where you claim to be, against the experience of any African immigrant you may know in America (if you even know or met any), as relates to "Black Americans". Be truthful. We'll wait here! "Give back in kind"? African/Carribean immigrants in America have no where near the power, or numbers, to cause you soy boy FBAs any meaningful problems. All non black American blacks make up only about 10% of the black population. Yet look at how angry and mean y'all behave towards them (mean mugging and talking shit against them often). Look how the Haitian immigrants were treated, and not a peep from the black Americans, some of whom work in law enforcement giving those poor refugees hell. Shame! You Bryant, as a travelling grown ass man, needs to have a more nuanced, smarter position on these issues. Not be just like these 12 yr old Tariq Nasheed influenced fba kids on here. Be like Tina! Smart and substantive, not simp-like, like a biatch! Shame in you Bryant!
It's funny how she was quick to not allow excuses against the idea of having privilege when it came to someone else. But as soon as it came to him pointing out a Ugandan's privilege then it suddenly wasn't comparing apps to apples. And was different and not truly privilege. We all have our unique type of privilege.
The energy doesn't feel healthy. I've definitely changed my mind and no longer see Africa the way I used to. We can all just stay where we are and be abused. It's a real nasty energy between people. I can't even say our people since we not the same. They want your funds and ideas, nothing else.
Yes its very deceptive and jealous…they can come to the States check black and get everything we have including us fighting for them. We go there and them niggas taxin and scammin
They do the same between themselves too, it's one of the negative aspect of the black culture and I think it's a lot more prominent in African countries. In France, they have a saying "I'm gonna make people back home rage" because they go back home during the holidays with a lot of goods and giveaway money to flash their supposed success. Overall it just contribute to jealousy and unrealistic expectation. We should obviously work together to overcome our shortcomings and suppress the negative aspect of our different cultures but realistically that's wishful thinking. We can can easily segregate ourselves because of our differences and in end the diaspora going back to Africa can just be another form of colonisation.
Nah. Dont let that stop you. It doesnt stop Asian and European people from taking from your ancestral homeland. Figure out how to play the game better. Africa is rich and has a very young population.
Every other nationality has setup shop in African countries, African Americans, as well as the diaspora, may want to compare notes. The time will come when strategic execution, will be necessary to maintain and grow your business. Again, at the end of the day, it's not just what you can set up but what you can keep. Thanks for the post.
If Africans can come into America and seperate, the Diaspora should do the same in Africa. As these new communities build up the local Africans can always be apart. We need unity not uniformity. We are the most diverse group on the earth, that want never change
If this is the type of mindset you have , sorry. You will have a long way to go. Because there is a country in Africa where black Americans were dropped in the 1800s by a shop , and guess what , they took over the government by getting in governmental positions in that country, mild treated the indigenous for years. They robbed them, used them and abused their children and didn't develop that country. The natives got them from power.. So all other African born citizens are aware . And that will NOT ever be allow to happen again. History of such is not forgotten. Working together for development that will benefit everyone , is the best.
@@lovettesmith8196 Liberia was a experiment backed by the American Government but I do not see that in the communities the Diaspora is operating themselves. Speak on the Africans who come to the Americas and separate
@@TheCounselOfNigritia Africans have their communities as they aren't accepted by black Americans therefore they need to distance themselves. Secondly the word Africans is bogus as u have 54 countries who are very different from each other so therefore none of them even live in the same communities anyway.
I greatly appreciated listening to this young panel with African and African Americans. Ive been trying to figure out why we were so against each other and now I have better insight on what we all have to do to get along with ourselves.
I think it's a culture thing. Values, culture, etc. You know what I think, if we want any semblance of unity and good vibes 😂 we need to have places where we can join together and be with one another and learn about and from one another. There needs to be COMMUNITY led projects that facilitate this. Because long term, it is SO SO SO SOOOOO important! So important! So important.
@@musical_lolu4811 yeah definitely. And whilst I'm listening to them, I understand it from the ground better. The way countries are set up in Africa due to colonialism and elitism by "leaders" definitely is having an effect here. Sadly. I just hope there are ways to get together more and rub off on each other so we can create our own culture and ways of being together - that respects and considers each other.
And the Chinese have straight up said You, y'all need bug lamps,A/C and trains in this b_tch!!!! But oh btw, you will accept the new Global Currency 💲 when it all goes down type B.R.I.C.S. in the RUclips search bar and learn about it.
That is what every group do when they come to America and I'm sure Europe. There's a reason for that you don't have to explain anything you all know where you want to go and you have the same mindset on how to get there. Trust is very important in any relationship you have to be a man of your word. A man that stands for nothing will fall for anything
They should leave if they can't find means and ways to help people out of their suffering. It's sad to see the so called diaspora want to replicate their negative experiences on our lands, they should just leave, but we will never ask them to leave but they are us.
As an African American who has gone to Africa, I can relate with how African Americans would decide to form associations within themselves. It is not what I would call elitism. It would make logical sense to me for that kind of situation to develop to help increase your chance at having ethics in your business or organization with the ethics we have grew up on and received from the USA. No the USA is not perfect. However there are general ways that businesses and organizations are taken care of in America. Such strategies I would expect are important towards. having trust from the local community, public, clients, customers or what have you in gaining success in your business. But hopefully these kind of strategies could be fostered towards the locals so that they can be a part of the success too.
@47:36 spoken like a true queen! She has defended her people and hasn’t taken a shit on her people. Regardless of what we face we should never take down to ourselves! Real Queen Right here!
Great great conversation and sister Tina was right about rebutting the accountability statement. If your people have been in poverty for over three generations, pulling yourself out is slim in any sub Saharan African nations. Great conversation and we all go through these transitions trying to repatriate in Africa. Love all of you all for the conversation.
Why?. Americans are going to west Africa so let them discuss with their people or let alone from the place they were taken during slavery. How is South African opinion needed here? Aibo yoh
@@livingfaith9189 at the end of the day we’re all black and we’re all on the African continent. If as a people we’re truly trying to build Africa and take it to heights we’ve never seen before we’re going to need to work together to achieve that goal. For the continent to prosper we’re going to need one another, hence having a Southern African perspective would have also added value to this discussion, especially since the Different Diaspora’s are watching and learning too. And we need them if we want to build Africa together.
Guy relax ur trying to speak for us when you don’t. We are coming back home all over Africa i for one love South Africa ive coke for months and I’ve been to Uganda and I also love it there so don’t just think we are coming to only ghana and nigeria eventho I love both places.
OKAY! I would never trust living in Africa versus America. There is a reason so many flee their countries for European countries. Their governments are corrupt too, and infrastructure not as good as any European country......so many reasons not to live in Africa.
I just came from Ghana I was trying to work with the locals but they keep reminding me to be careful instead of us actually working together. They want me to help them financially instead and they want to do their own stuff lol the mentality there is different. Guys we can't grow if we don't work together this mentality of working extremely hard to make it to the top by yourself is not worth it.
@@jayajaya788 Fuck that “we there” and let’s build up our own. with our own police and prosecutor attorneys, schools Im talking everything. we can do it, no white people allowed tho 😂
Oshay, great video!. This Podcast is soooo much on the money about my brothas and sistas worldwide. When I was in Jamaica for vacation I noticed that the locals expected me to buy from them just because I'm a Black American. Even though they said, welcome to Jamacia, it didn't feel real. The sad thing about all of this is these same Jamaicans were jumping hoops to provide excellent customer service to White Americans shopping in stores standing 10 feet away from me.
You hear this all over the developing world. This is Uganda, this is India this Jamaica, this is Ghana, this is Nigeria. If Africa is going to develop quickly for the sake of the youth you must do business correctly and on time.
afrika is a continent not a country. plenty of people come here and do business all the time and cry baby black americans who dont own any significant business complain all the time
@@kennykross3306 In America if you are not on time your will have no business. America is 365 business place. Africa have long way to go to encourage people to run business successfully. Some of this criticism of the way business is done in Africa are actually constructive criticism. Use your critical thinking.
@@sophiemclarke6556 first of all shut the fuck up with ur comment. The are successful business all across afrika from morocco to South afrika u comment is uncalled for an sound little arrogant. Black Americans do not own any business here in afrika. I repeat again yall don't own shit. Alike dangote has nearly finished a £15 billion pounds oil refinery which is the biggest oil refinery in the world as well as having one biggest cement factory in Africa and in the world. What successful business Black American have that is outside America nothing. Ur comment right away disrespect the million of successful business owner across afrika. In addition to this, u last person to give constructive criticism in work place trust me.
@@kennykross3306 You guys do hate Black Americans, which is why they tell among them to not trust you. For instance, in the above statement, she never stated Black Americans; you automatically assume it and started attacking her. She gave some legit advice about constructive criticism, which in turn made you write an whole condescending paragraph. I’m not American, but this user name doesn’t seem Black to me either. So, it could be any other race/ethnicity.
I think you're kidding. Morals, values ethics are not really fine qualities associated with AAs brothers and sisters,judging by the unfortunate stereotypes spread around the world. Also, Africans usually value families, hierarchy ( in families) , fathers, and grandparents are a central part within the nucleus family. An aspect AAs aren't familiar with, or known for , generally.
@@xena6894 many people think they know what we are and are mot familiar with as American Indians and or ADOS but they are not. We will not discuss the African continent stereo types. Your ignorance is showing.
@Ashia49 I think you may have comprehension issues. Stereotypes go both ways. Africans living in the USA have long reported being mistreated by AAs , due to ....stereotypes these AAs may have towards Africans. You don't need to discuss them, we both know them. But you and AAs aren't familiar with Stereotypes Africans hold against your people. Was doing you a favor and letting you know what you weren't aware of. But you chose the infantile" your ignorance is showing " 😀 That being said, I wouldn't mind at all AAs staying together in a community, in those countries that have been calling for the " year of return " . Why not? The're China Towns, Little Jamaica, Little Senegal, Somali boroughs throughout western Europe or North America. So why not AAs can't stay together , where it's easier to communicate between them ,share their culture, especially when it's so different from the locals.
I love this conversation and it's something that the entire "black" community needs to be a part of. I want to shout out @Quest2UniteAfrika because they are approaching this topic head on with their work connecting the diaspora to the continent. I see that this is an issue that all of us Diaspora that repatriate will have to face at least in the present and near future.
This is a serious issue for the people from the diaspora to consider. When Idi Amin kicked out Asians from Uganda, he was actually supported by so many Ugandans. Idi Amin was in fact congratulated by students from Makerere University. Ordinary Ugandans were even speaking the language of Idi Amin--- these foreigners are milking Uganda. Yes, people from the diaspora have significant advantage over the Ugandans who have not travelled anywhere. Exposure to different social, political, economic environment's is very important. People in the US for example, are exposed to so many things. They have access to internet and library. Libraries contain all knowledge, skills, practices that the world has generated. This is rare in Africa. In Kampala I could not read my e-mail because there was no electricity. Today, in the county I live in children are encouraged to read 1000 books before kindergarten. Is this happening in Uganda? And by the way the Kicking out of foreigners in East Africa was planned by the all the countries. So, it's important for the people from the diaspora to think about to how with together with the Ugandans.
That's y'all fault! Why haven't you built anything yet??? African Americans were FORCED to build Anerica! That was not by choice. African Americans fought for EVERY right they have in that country. YOU have the privilege of being born and raised in your native land but haven't built shit due to constant fighting amongst each other.......Do better and stop looking to the very people who were snatched from everything they knew to build another country.....
It's happening. The staff in the library are eagerly waiting to help but families have to be willing to do it. It can be impossible for single parents who have to be at work all the time. And that is why single parents households are always a problem.
The local continental Africans work/operate on a go slow, lackadaisical, substandard when it comes to other black people from the diaspora but they work at a fast pase, with the swiftness/on schedule when it comes to people of other ethnicity!!!
I enjoy the program. I understand everything that happens in Ghana fuzz business and why the black diaspora separates. From the native people they look at you like a 🏧. I have known a person in Ghana had his entire business stolen by someone from Ghana because he had to partner up with them. Also the young lady on the show was very toasty.
This is a good podcast. I am learning a lot about "the diaspora." What the sister (w/ headwrap) said about "they don't care" is very telling... Capitalism rules the world and dictates who will be poor... Africans need to start caring.
Let me just throw this out there. That conversation about people not paying, or not doing what they're supposed to do in business. It was my entire experience working in the clothing business in New York and New Jersey. It was just normal and typical that nobody did what they said they were going to do. Nobody. Nobody shipped goods on time. People shipped goods that you didn't order and they hoped that you would just take it. They shipped the wrong quantities and hope that you would just take it. They didn't pay, certainly not on time. One standard operating procedure that I experienced as a norm was people would not pay until they needed something else. You deliver the goods or services. They don't pay. Then, they ask for new goods or services, and they pay at that time. This is America I'm talking about. That experience was so terrible and so stressful. Your goods arrive, and you have no idea what you're going to find when you open those boxes. It's extra cost, extra time, etc. Ya'll got me stressed just remembering that experience. LOL And it gets worse. A lot of people won't tell you anything if they don't have good news. You ordered goods but they didn't arrive. That's because they never shipped them. You call and try to find out where your goods are, but the contact person won't answer the phone. You call over and over, but the contact person never answers and never responds. And suddenly, 2 weeks later, the contact person calls you like nothing is wrong with good news, your goods are on the way! I had people who were mad because they found out that I was making a ton of money on the goods that they had sold to me. Suddenly, they decided that their own wholesale prices were not enough. They wanted to get a piece of my action! Like, how do you fix your mouth to question how much I sell the goods for? You have a wholesale price. I pay it. That's the end of our conversation. But, I will say that what I'm describing is the what it's like in the North East. It's not necessarily like that elsewhere in America.
I been living in Tanzania for 2 1/2 yrs. The same things happen with the diasporas here. It is a trust issue here with us as well. Of course we prefer to do business with the locals but it is difficult to trust some of the locals. There have been horror stories of those diaspora who have gotten beat badly and had to run back to America because they ran out of money
@@Kenganda hi Duke, I think people need to stop thinking they know too much and are better than the locals when they come to Africa. You mentioned Liberia and this is this exactly what is happening and from your speech it's not only about elitism but they want to be superior to the local Africans. With the issue of businesses and people scamming people out of their businesses and running down businesses is not about diaspora, this happens amongst the locals too. Go out there and speak to most business owners and see what they go through and what others trying to start-up have been through. Black people are literally born like this. like the lady said the fact you are here doesn't mean the people must change for you or do things your way. O'shea do you know how many diaspora are scamming their own than Africans. Not all locals are the same. The best solution is for brothers and sisters to calm down and learn the culture and ways and understand the people in order to blend in and also to know how and who to deal with. There are bad people everywhere but you need the right people to deal with. Some diaspora come to Africa with the colonizers mentality and that's why they fail because people will not allow that. The brother made a point but that was for those individuals at the top from what I understood because he didn't want to say it clearly. Which is corruption at it's best but same thing in the west they call it lobbying. This sort of corruption affects the locals out there because if your initiative doesn't succeed some people miss out on jobs. I noticed that a lot diaspora accuse the local Africans that they are scammers but they are the ones scamming their own more because you guys get to trust your fellow diaspora than the locals you are there to live with and want to behave like slave masters and the people wouldn't like that. But we do not hate any diaspora. It's the diaspora who are thought to hate each other and they bring that mentality over because they are paranoid. The issue also in Africa is the trading standards and laws which does favour anyone. O'shea no foreigners can do anything without an African right from opening business to buying houses and a lot more. This was policies they did put in place for foreigners not to come in with their money to take advantage of the system and people. Regardless of being a diaspora not all black people are black if you get my point because a lot would work for the slave master to finish his own black people. Same as an African cannot just go to the west either British or American or wherever but you must go through the process just as the policies setup and the Africans going abroad to struggle before being able to achieve some standard. Remember the west is also interfering in African issues too. She said everything has gone up except alcohol what does that tell you in Uganda?
The systems are designed to prevent unity. But the local Africans regardless are welcoming to the diaspora and with no hate but the diaspora feel they are hated. You know sometimes even though we all speak English sometimes the locals prefer to speak their local languages and would keep them away or shy away from indulging in the conversation. Diaspora need to try to learn the unity of African because the diaspora are thought division. I'm Ghana land was donated freely by a chief for all diaspora and when the diaspora arrived most wanted to turn it into a diaspora only town with a fence wall and their own formed police not the Ghanaian state police but their own with armed police and no locals coming around. Meanwhile the chief that gave this land wanted the diaspora to come and live there together in harmony with the locals and learn from each other and knowing the diaspora would create jobs and businesses which would benefit all. I am talking about Asebu Freeland for diaspora in Ghana at Cape Coast. Guess what, the land is free for every diaspora but you have to pay to get your land registration documents like everywhere else but the land allocated is free. Some diaspora who came and keep coming, I said some are using this to scam their own fellow diaspora because they keep telling the diaspora not to trust the locals and they would handle everything but scam them in the end or too them off. Mostly without the idea of the locals. Some come and look around and then go back and form a tourism business bringing people to scam them. They take them top places and scam them after the fun and exciting trips. Then after They get scammed by their own they start to blame the locals out of anger. But most successful diaspora were all helped by locals. Africans are kind welcoming people. Diaspora need to leave what they are told and taught there when coming. A lot also come to Africa wanting things to be like telling west they came from forgetting they are in the motherland. Have you asked yourself why is that any most diaspora that come to visit and see opportunity go back and come with a tourism group of people or organise tours with all inclusive using well bargained hotels to cut themselves deals so that they make more money on their own into their pockets. Look at most of them that have been accused? Are the locals? Mostly diaspora. We need to watch some of them because they don't come with good intentions. This is why some countries are reluctant in giving their passports to diaspora because some may use it badly.
@@yungheat84 what do you call America? Land of opportunity right? And I disagree with your point because the masses that come there are In search for greener pastures and barely have enough to start businesses that can employ most black American's or black European or Caribbean. But the ones who are fortunate to open businesses that can employ a lot do employ everyone. I bare witness to this because I know Ghanaians in America that have employed black American's and same in Europe as black Europeans. In fact some even do businesses with black American's and European and some are even business partners. The issue black American's mostly have is they look down on Africans when they come abroad and make fun of them. The jobs get take you black American's wouldn't take or do it because you feel entitled but they do it and make money and all they get in return like you just said is hate and envy because they do well over there. Remember when you see any African abroad they have a huge responsibility to feed themselves and family members back home. Unlike the black American's who have been westernized and know only their nucleus family, we Africans have the responsibility of the extended. So if you see them chasing that money it isn't just for them but for their entire family. Plus the lifestyle they live abroad is different from most black American's or black European, they live very humble lifestyle unlike most black American's make your money just for yourselves and think of some special grooming gear and expensive jewellery and all that money for that jewellery could start a business or even but a home but a brother would live in the mothers basement and buy those things and not own a business. And African would only get what is necessary at the time with regards to their pockets. I wouldn't say too much but keep your eyes open and see the difference in lifestyle abroad between the two. Plus we struggle a lot to even make it there just to live and work of study. And after all that huddle even an African gets there you want him to hang out with brothers and sisters in the hood just spending most of the time doing nothing or their own things, what does the African brother gain from hanging out with them wasting time that could make them money to pay bills. But they do hang out with you guys but sometimes you guys also disassociate with them because you feel you are better than them because they are from Africa and you are not. But here you are now trooping to Africa. There are favourable and good systems in place abroad that you guys are born into that people born in Africa don't have. So there is a big difference in lifestyle people are brought up with. The little things you take for granted is a big thing for the African.
The sister makes a good point. but we as black people have to fight for our rights and some will die, we are the only race of people who keep saying only God knows. Every other race fights.
Thank God for yt. I really thought I wanted to go to Africa, but after watching yt videos about it, no way. It sounds like I would be dealing with a similar mess as in the US. Then it sounds like just because you are a blk American, they want to get over on you.
Awesome conversations. Great points made by everyone. Oshay is leading the wave of this African unity. Sone of us diasporas are on board and want to help bring the change we need for all African descendants. It’s the only way to end white supremacy.
Oshay seems to have a passion for our people and doesn't mind kicking butts. I think we as blacks in the diaspora need it. After 400 years we ought to be ready and qualified to return home and be a real help.
Amazing discussion. I see we of the diaspora must first earn trust of demonstrated inclusion and intent for shared wealth with the people who are native to the country into which we immigrate and of which we would like to be a part. This stance being taken while recognizing and utilizing the positive progression of long standing traditions.
@@JasNakira-bs5nx No. That is partly the reason for the disunity between African Americans and African immigrants in the US. Africans seem to come here to tske advantage of US prosperity, not to participate in cultural exchange or integration. In fact, I heard from an African associate that they are told by Europeans and media that we AAs are poor, savage, and criminals, much like many if us AAs were previously told of them. Racist 'prefrence' in the US is that middle class Africans not be involved with AAs or our domestic struggles with racism. I've noticed that the tech industry in which I've worked employs many African men and almost no African American men. African men in that industry have even shunned me as an AA woman. Ivreceived more acknowledgement from Arabs and Intians in the tech workplace than Africans. An African associate in the workplace once told me their saying is, "Don't fool with American blacks. You will be poor." My inital comment assumed that tge diaspora retutning to Africa wanted to eventually become part of its economy, which is very much intertwined with its culture. I've heard that Africa is economically intertwined with socializing. For the diaspora to have economic prosperity in Africa, it seems being exclusive is not the way.
Some Africans love and value the white man! I have heard some things that are going on in Africa, especially with Africa Americans...we must understand that all skin folks aren't kin folks...
Without self accountability, nothing gets done. There’s no growth. Self accountability is key in order to get better. Without it, you remain a failure, and not even the government can help you.
Of course its the government that has to instill the culture of accountability in its citizens. It starts from the top. But it has systematically closed one eye so that they can exploit the system themselves. They are the biggest beneficiaries of the system
Thanks for this conversation. Watching this channel now makes me wonder where can we go as a diaspora to get things done? We are greatly damaged across this planet or so it seems.
@@Ntegritty Interact with AA this side and ask them about their experiences here then compare it to the experince of those in West Africa for example. It will be better coming from them
Wow there might be at least 1.3billiion black people in the continent . Most of them would represent what percentage . What would be the percentage of those without common sense out of over a billion . Black in America at least 45 million Michelle Obama seems like she has common sense but some in Chicago might not . Afro Brazilian over 120 million . Brazilian soccer star Pele 3 wives multiple mistresses . I would assume Paul Kagame in Rwanda has common sense . Life expectancy in Rwanda was 26 in 1994 today almost 70 the highest in East Africa . Black women life expectancy in US 71 and declining . Black men 68 and declining .
@@pplopde4437 Well, the perfect example of most don't have common sense when it comes to business is when the diaspora spend their money with businesses on the continent always get scammed or over priced will cause the diaspora not to return to continue doing business with them, but the local businesses are always loyal to locals with the pricing and "MOST" locals don't have money. So who played who?
Both guests are very knowledgeable and I must say Tina knows her stuff this is the second video I watched her on the show and I learn something every time
Lathe brotha articulated himself very well. Left no confusion. I only wish that a business person from Ghana could be there to rebut or push back on some of his points.
Oshay we need Kenganda clips or shorts or something. The opening preview will be good for sharing. Not everyone has 30+ min all the time to plug in. A little here or there can go a long way and will be great for sharing among my peers. Thank you for listening or not 🤣
I love the way the narrator Osha / Kenganda directed his podcast, and the ladies as well articulating themselves. However, the brother Master Gabs in checkered Red shirt for his articulation as a speaker bc it's not easy to speak so well in front of others listening & watching. All on the panel really got their point across. However, the lady in the jeans Tina done well speaking up for the people too. Thanks for sharing this video.
Tina truly lives in LaLa Land. The privilege that immigrants enjoy in America is backed by the GOVERNMENT, and a CULTURE of Work Ethics. There is zero support system from the government or local community for diasporans in Uganda. I don't recognize or experience any "privilege" in Uganda that extends beyond what I have in my wallet. How is she actually making diasporans responsible for the conditions in Uganda that were already there . Petrol trucks and also trains run through developed countries everyday, that is also a risk to enable that DEVELOPMENT..I suggest she swallow a dose of "This is Uganda".
@@tinaw463 please explain if you meant something other than immigrants shouldn't expect fairness, transparency, and professionalism from people in business in Uganda, and if they do it's because of some type of privilege. I admit that I was never labeled a genius and Mensa is not looking for me, but I certainly don't live in the same neighborhood as stupid...even here in Uganda.
@@Silverbackugx we can work Towards change but my point was you’re gonna get super frustrated thinking that change will take effect any time soon in the meantime I accept uganda for what it is and it’s love hate but definitely more love. Not once did I say diasporas were responsible for the way uganda was the only people responsible are those in power right? I just said there are benefits to coming over here from abroad so I can understand where the locals might be resentful. Acknowledging your privilege does not take away from any struggles you might have. Both things can be true
@@tinaw463 both things cannot be true. Privilege does not require monetary compensation. Whites have privilege, they get served first, they get left in the hotel room in peace until check out time and beyond, they get served HOT food in a timely manner. NONE of that cost them a schilling. However...this privilege you think Black Americans experience DOES NOT extend beyond their spending capacity. I intentionally don't iron my clothes before going shopping in these streets and never ask what anything cost, I simply point to or pick up what I want and give it to the vendor. That saves me a lot of BS from the local culture. My friends have always told me that Black Americans are their own tribe, I never understood why they would say that until I realized they only understand things in tribalistic routines. When they ask why I haven't learned the local language, I respectfully reply that if I travel 40-50Km nobody speaks your local language, if I travel 40-50 more nobody speaks that language, and since the world that I live and move in is much larger than your tribal territory, I respectfully decline from wasting my time. The arrogance and stubbornness of traditional Africans will hold them behind the ever changing world if they don't wake up.
All Tina was speaking were straight facts🔥🔥🔥🔥 and the fact that she has grown up in Uganda and in the UK, I guess she has first-hand knowledge on the topic. I totally agree with her, the systems in place in LDCs are not apt enough to elevate the average Ugandan. The existing systems only favour the rich families, and the well-connected people. That is why there is a ceaseless exodus of Ugandans to "greener pastures", and the diametrical influx of "foreigners" into Ug. Until the systems are bettered to benefit their citizens, this will remain the status quo. Love your show.
Kudos to Tina for checking my privileged brother on the question of self-accountability. It's easy to tell people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, forgetting that some people have no bootstraps at all to pull. When you have never walked in another man's shoes for an hour, don't be too quick to judge or think less of him. We are what we are by God's grace, people, it's not all the result of our hard work and creativity.
People will stay POOR if they keep NOT delivering the goods and services they promised. Your word and integrity is how you'll be able to build a SUCCESSFUL business.
O'Shay is showing us that the defeatist mindset exist in other places. Using people's perceived privilege as a club to beat them down to your level. While dwelling in your weak minded victimhood. For all of the people who overcome all odds as if they never existed. Here's to you. Stay focused.
but don't Africans do the same thing in the us? because they sometimes isolate themselves from black Americans. Its normal for people to have a stronger connection to their fraternal ethnic group.
How do Africans segregate themselves? Do they invite Africans and Africans refuse to socialize. This is not true. African keep to themselves often bcos they are safer that way. How safe is the African with the BA when economics is involved? All over the World for safety African keep away and to themselves not be cos they want to segregate. There are communities in the UD like little Haiti Chinatowns Korean and various Asian communities, there are the Jewiah community or neighborhoods, name African towns or villages set aside by or for African immigrants in the US or anywhere in Europe and America. Are there even housing estates occupied solely by African immigrants i. e built and set up by and for themselves? Who knows I may be wrong kindly correct me. We have enough issues than to so seeds for future conflicts. Disaporans are welcomed as brothers and sisters and family and citizens not as separate gated tribes. They can form communities but not closed in. Let us not even go into the open hate and sabotage by the diasporans against African in streets and workplace etc by Diasporans for real. Yeah its there. Let's be sober about this. There are countless outstanding and excellent people amongst them diaaporans, never the less we need to prepare for harmony, joy and patriotism among the people. Come loving Africa and her people no matter how dirty, illiterate uneducated and backward you see us. If you do not prime up your love barometer for the people , fact is other races are lined up to come into Africa. Africa traditionally turns no one away bcos they are closest to God in nature bcos of high spirituality. I mean well by means. Tnx
It's not true. Africans in the United States do not separate themselves from African Americans. However, it could happen unintentionally or because of cheap accomodations or something else. Not because they create an elite community. Is there any elite community of Africans in the United States? I would like to know. Elitism, classicism, people respecting their personal spaces in public, individualism etc. are all American, European & western cultures. These things & many others do not exist in African societies. If African Americans or any other African diaspora go to Africa & create elite communities, individualism, classicism etc. they will have problems in Africa. They must destroy the American, European & western cultures & mentalities in them, visit Africa & learn how the people live, know more about the societies etc. before deciding to return to live in Africa. Do you know why the former Liberian president Samuel Doe plotted a coup against the African American president of Liberia? It's because when the freed slaves were taken to Liberia they started discriminating & looking down on the Liberian natives. The African Americans created elites communities only for African Americans, classicism, individualism etc. And they governed Liberia exclusively & refused Liberian natives from taking part in government & economy. This continued for a very long time & the native Liberians were extremely unhappy until a native Liberian Captain in the military called Samuel Doe plotted a coup, k***** the president, some of his family, members of his government etc. So African Americans must forget about the bad American cultures, go to Africa, learn about the societies before returning to live. If not they won't be able to live in Africa or they won't be happy in Africa. I can assure you that 100%. I know what l'm talking about. There's nothing like individualism, nothing like l'm standing here why are you standing so close to me? Stand a few metres away from me etc. because this is my personal space. In Africa anybody talks to anybody anywhere & can ask any questions personal or not even if they have never seen you before. People greet each other whether they know you or not & it doesn't matter if they are seeing you for the very first time. & If you don't respond, frown or ignore the greetings, you will be considered as a bad person, a badly educated person etc. & People could even hate you because of that. Good manners, respect, polite etc. are just a few of the characters of Africans. Men are always head of the family irrespective of whether the man & his wife are working or not or only the wife works. The woman must cook & serve food for the husband & family & husband never serves food for the wife & family with the wife sitting & watching as it could happen in America & other western countries. The wife respects the husband & would never send him to bring water, food etc. for her when she's not sick, not busy or if she can do it by herself but just decides to send the husband. It's not possible. It doesn't happen.
They have to make blk Americans the face of Dysfunctional situations …. Pan Africanist can’t survive without a blk boogie man
@@marysimpsons7545 no that's not true. The americo-liberians were not toppled because of (the so-called country people)
They were toppled by the US government and there is proof that the CIA was involved in that coup d'etat, with that being said even if they didn't start an elite class. They were still different.
And by the way, they did mixed in,
most americo-liberians have indigenous bloodline because they married a lot of those people. You don't know the history of Liberia that very well...
Dude I remember years ago there was this Nigerian function here in the San Fernando valley of a lot of Nigerians and they were very isolated, I waved and say hello, they say nothing. Coincidentally years ago I remember passing by in all Indian function.
And they were so nice they were inviting, they wanted me to come in because I was curious about it,
I declined, but they did offer me food. I got none of that from the Nigerians.
Again, people have a need to be around other groups of people that they are ethnically close to, Africans are tribal and so are black Americans. Yoruba and Igbo only get along because they have to.
It Doesn't mean that they get along, in fact, I think that they only tolerate each other.
Of course black Americans are going to have their own community, and they going to have an elite class, something that's probably going to happen naturally.
Who wouldn't separate themselves from black Americans?
Brotha in the red shirt is so well spoken and organized in his thought process. Listening to him is worth every second of my time.
AGREE
Thank you for the compliment! I feel privileged for the opportunity to speak on this platform.
@@mastergabs what kind of opportunities are there for a brother ???
Yep
Very good conversation by everyone but that Tina you actually made me think on a different level.Master Grabs is one smooth intellectual. Love this dialogue as there was a good representation of both sides.
Diasporans do not cause the prices to go up. It is the Ugandan owners of the properties that are raising the prices. Diasporans are not demanding to pay a higher price than Ugandans. Ugandans see that they can get more, so they charge more. So put the blame where it belongs, Ugandans are making it harder for other Ugandans due to their own price gouging.
Both the diaspora & the Ugandan owners of properties are responsible. If there's no crazy demand, no crazy willingness to pay higher or highest the Ugandan property owners will sell at low prices as usual. So l think the diaspora shouldn't be buying things with skyrocketing prices. They should pay as the Ugandans. Or the Ugandan government could establish some limits. Uganda & Africa as a whole shouldn't become New York or western nations with crazy prices.
@@marysimpsons7545 Do you have the same sentiments to the Asians and Europeans in Uganda?
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Greedy people
Is that your position to the gentrification going on in historically black communities ? I bet it isn’t.
GOOD VALUES are NOT a Privilege. You're either a trustworthy person or You're Not and Everyone knows Right from Wrong!
This is a very real conversation that I think Africans the entire continent over should include themselves in. Lord knows I faced heavy backlash; corruption and exploitation moving to South Africa and operating in my industry more than 20 years ago. I was amazed at how people treated me, knowing that I am a fellow African versus how they treated me when they knew that I actually came from the West after being partly educated there. I got hatred from people from my own country that presented themselves to be friends but the truth is that they were envious and competitive simply because I was educated in the West and felt I had a degree of privilege.
I could be wrong, but those from the diaspora understand the importance of trust a little more than our African family.
In a nutshell
If that’s the case. Why aren’t they using their trust in the USA?
@@WilliamWoolf-bs9uv probably because of the historical racism prevalent in American society. Gotta remember, Black American's have only recently been granted rights as actual citizens 50-60 years ago, prior to that they were relegated to the lowest caste of society and treated like 2nd class citizens. It's difficult to build in a society that doesn't want you, that's why it's so common for Black Americans to have an idealized view of Africa because they see a society where everyone is black so they want to contribute to that instead of the US
@@WilliamWoolf-bs9uv same reason why Africans come to the US and look down on black Americans but couldn’t seem to be successful back home in Africa.
That's interesting.
So many gems dropped here. The one liners, witty exchanges, top notch. Salute to this podcast. Informative and entertaining. Blk American from NYC representing. Much love to African diaspora globally.
I enjoy Tina's presence because she doesn't tolerate nonsense and speaks her mind, even if she holds back at times.
I'm sorry I hope no one get offended, but the only thing she said it's that people from the diaspora is privileged, economically speaking, I think it is obvious, but that doesn't allow no one to take advantage as they do .
Good job guys! I’m a Sierra Leonean based in Los Angeles and I’m totally loving your show, Ohsay. These are long awaited conversations to be had
Much love from a Sierra Leonean from London!
Oshay is right! Whoever delivers should earn the job, doesn't matter local or diaspora.
I thank you guys soooo much for getting together just to discuss how to bring our ppl together to make a better tomorrow. THIS is the important message because if we don't help ourselves as blk ppl NO ONE ELSE WILL.
Im stuck and struck at the idea of descendants of African slaves being viewed as privileged. That really sickens me.
Exactly...this is why when Africans come to America they're not very welcoming...very nasty towards us and they teach this in Africa to stay away from us when they come to America...wow...the division
Wait until you find out they don't come from Africa but are indigenous to America and Europe and were to sent to Africa ln slave markets
They do not know better! The history of slavery is not properly and deeply taught!! We do not tell of story!! Look at the Jews, they literally sing the HOLOCAUST into the face of everyone!!
Yeah , seems like the big green eyed devil to me. Shame
If we actually knew history, american negroe would know they aren't African in the first place, but some continue without any actual geological documents to prove this. One doesn't even know there is no proof that transatlantic slave trade happened with African slaves. As archives in America, Spain and Europe have absolutely no records in national archives.
This Podcast is killing the game. I've started a successful business in Uganda but only saw it flourish as I stepped back and let my locally born employee take the lead and be the face of the business, which I have no problem with at all because I had planned to eventually hand the business over anyway. Within the city I live in it has been a struggle to find electronics stores, appliance dealers, carpenters, electricians, or any skilled labor that is honest in business dealings or has any sense of integrity to provide the services that they claim to be able to. After DESPERATELY wanting to spend my money locally, I've found myself going to my Indian friend for televisions, phones, and home appliances. Even flaunting your purchases made somewhere else doesn't change the behavior of the local shop owners. I've grown tired of explaining that coming to your shop is not to bring you a GIFT, it is a business exchange. I still fail to understand how they become annoyed when they don't have what you want in their shop and almost insist that you buy some alternative junk and "give" them money. Great Podcast, keep doing the good work.
As a Ugandan, I have no beef with anyone doing business with indians, Chinese or European. I was never raised a separatist. I grew up at Mengo in the capital of the kingdom with so many indians they owned all the shops there. We shared the same public swimming pool and alot of their kids were my friends.
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Just like the Africans in their country right.
Absolutely the same as in Tanzania
My cousin has a decent electronics business in Kampala, could have hooked you up.
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The Lebanese, Asians and whites work together in their respective communities in Africa. They help each other so that together they grow.
When I was enrolled at Howard U in the 1990s, the African undergrad students kept their distance, had their own parties etc.
Tina is why I came here to comment. "Accountability" well said! I am so very proud.
Just discovered this Channel today, the convo is healthy and lit. Much love from Kenya.
Thanks so much!
I actually agree with Tina on the issue of accountability.. Good Conversation y'all..🖤💯
Podcast was so good I had to watch it again. Tina effectively said that diasporans cannot expect honesty and integrity in business just because that is what we are used to.. 😂..I'm going to move around with my laptop and watch this with my Ugandan friends in town . Thanks to KENGANDA for opening the conversation.
Essentially. Completely ignorant to defend dishonest, lack of integrity behavior. Black ppl are too far at the bottom to not have the tightest values system, ESPECIALLY amongst each other.
The transition is indeed complex but i appreciate these conversations. Thank you for excellent content #Afrikansuperstar ✊🏿
Loved your live today. Watched the whole hour plus. Yes Ghanians are ungrateful but you know they say you don't appreciate what u have till its lost
A lot of our people are not feeling Africa.
Thanks for these frank conversations. As a diaspora person who does business in Ug, I fully agree! It's the value system that leads to, as you called it "the short end of the stick" Keep up the good work Kenganda.
@ Joanita...Teena complements you very well and she is able to distinguish quickly between fact and fiction.
Excellent Conversation..And honestly I felt this way but couldn't articulate it. I've often wondered why the different African Immigrants here in the US tend to live among and do business specifically with each other vs in Black Community and it kinda pissed me off but listening to this I see why and what ur saying makes perfect sense.. 🖤💯
This was a really good conversation. I’m African American, but I would never expect to be treated any different than the locals if I ever visited Africa. I guess we African Americans aren’t used to that. Here in the U.S. it’s a hit or miss. My wife and I have many different experiences when we go places. We take pride in the way we dress and articulate ourselves. A lot of times we will go to establishments that are predominately white, and interact with people there. Most of the times were treated like a anyone else, but there have been rare cases where the people were almost shocked that we didn’t act “ghetto”.
Do you honestly believe Africans and Black Americans share the same culture? The answer is no , so why wouldn't I as an African want to hang out with people from my country or region. I'm from Liberia and I'd ignore an Ethiopian just the same as a black American. So don't take it personal, it's a culture thing . West Africans don't even eat cheese or sugar in our traditional foods . East Africans be eating all kinds of milk and weird stuff , the same way black Americans be making sugary candy yams and cheesy macaroni. We're different, and it's ok. I don't hate you , I just rather chill with people who "get me"
@@analyticalmindset True but we have to stop being mad when white people do the same . There is a reason why a lot of countries are closing their borders or decreasing the amount of immigrants allowed into their countries. They want to protect their culture , heritage, and history. If Africans like you want to hang with people “who get you” then perhaps Africans need to repair their own countries and stop running to the West and Asia for opportunities. Nothing personal, but if you did this you would be able to stay where you are and with the people who get you.
Thanks for the explanation, na.
Black Americans and Africans are not the same people. Figi island black people are not the same as Africans. Australia aboriginals black people are not the same as Africans. You have different type black people world wide.
We need more conversations like this,excellent podcast
Wow the dude in the red was killing it. It’s so true. In the West we do have corruption but it’s on a higher level. Everyday common small business core practices are in fact basic, daily and taken for granted. It’s natural to want to navigate towards folks who have your same values, practice, services, and visions. This same issues exist from what I heard a lot in Ghana, some in Gambia, and in Kenya, Senegal, Ivory Coast , Zambia, Nigeria, Ethiopia and Rwanda. Black Americans an expats, blacks from Europe and Jamaica must work together!!!!!!
First time here. Love the guy in Red. He made so many great points. Very interesting.
I like these types of discussions. It is better to talk about it together, then to keep it hidden while harboring negative feelings and thoughts about Africans on the continent and those in the diaspora.
Good selection of people to give an insight into the topic, really widened my view on it as I'm planning to move to Ghana this year
Do the diasporans drive prices up, or do the owners of those businesses and real estate drive prices up? Don't foreigners get overcharged in general in [insert African country]?
I have been watching ODJ for several years now and he seems to be successfully working with indigenous Africans and Diasporans. And the indigenous brothers and sisters are having a chance to benefit from his drive, knowledge, and business acumen. Keep up the good work! Wishing you peace and blessings from Southern California.
There is no such thing as Indigenous Africans...Indigenous are the Native American Indians(Negroes)…knock it off! Indigenous Africans...two different people.
I love the way you guys challenge each other in a respectful manner.
Great conversation. It’s going to happen the more black Americans go to Africa. It’s a lifeline
Sir we are still talking about native Africans living overseas and coming back for decades now 😂. AA are just starting to trickle in - it’s still very much a trend and they’re yet to make a lasting impact. You seem to assume it’s only AA.
@@africanglobalnomad when did AA become responsible for making ANY impact in countries they choose to move to. They come with their own money and resources and don't absorb any social benefits provided by foreign governments, and usually only CONTRIBUTE to the economy by spending money and starting businesses with ZERO government or local support, So who do they owe anything to?
But the FBAs African hating spokespersons say African immigrants "don't like them" when they form own communities in the US - hence the African Carribean immigrants catch hell from so called FBAs!
@@lemungagenu5103 Black Americans don't have a "spokesperson" is that ignorant older Ugandan man from the earlier street interviews the spokesperson for Uganda? And I don't believe the person you're referring to actually hates Africans, although he is a Black American and we tend to give what we get, in attitude, respect, courtesy, service, and value. It's called transparency.
@@Silverbackugx What part of "FBA African hating spokespersons" against African/Carribean immigrants, do you choose not to understand? You argue like a woman. Red herrings all over, like Kevin Samuele showed his audience. Shame on you. You wouldn't last 2 minutes against Tina in this podcast!
It's simple, compare your welcome experience in that Uganda (Africa) where you claim to be, against the experience of any African immigrant you may know in America (if you even know or met any), as relates to "Black Americans". Be truthful. We'll wait here!
"Give back in kind"? African/Carribean immigrants in America have no where near the power, or numbers, to cause you soy boy FBAs any meaningful problems. All non black American blacks make up only about 10% of the black population. Yet look at how angry and mean y'all behave towards them (mean mugging and talking shit against them often).
Look how the Haitian immigrants were treated, and not a peep from the black Americans, some of whom work in law enforcement giving those poor refugees hell. Shame!
You Bryant, as a travelling grown ass man, needs to have a more nuanced, smarter position on these issues. Not be just like these 12 yr old Tariq Nasheed influenced fba kids on here.
Be like Tina! Smart and substantive, not simp-like, like a biatch! Shame in you Bryant!
It's funny how she was quick to not allow excuses against the idea of having privilege when it came to someone else. But as soon as it came to him pointing out a Ugandan's privilege then it suddenly wasn't comparing apps to apples. And was different and not truly privilege.
We all have our unique type of privilege.
The energy doesn't feel healthy. I've definitely changed my mind and no longer see Africa the way I used to. We can all just stay where we are and be abused. It's a real nasty energy between people. I can't even say our people since we not the same. They want your funds and ideas, nothing else.
Yup. Extraction. Chinese are the exact same way to non-Chinese. Just like America treats the rest of the world! Extraction from non-Americans.
Yes its very deceptive and jealous…they can come to the States check black and get everything we have including us fighting for them. We go there and them niggas taxin and scammin
They do the same between themselves too, it's one of the negative aspect of the black culture and I think it's a lot more prominent in African countries. In France, they have a saying "I'm gonna make people back home rage" because they go back home during the holidays with a lot of goods and giveaway money to flash their supposed success. Overall it just contribute to jealousy and unrealistic expectation.
We should obviously work together to overcome our shortcomings and suppress the negative aspect of our different cultures but realistically that's wishful thinking. We can can easily segregate ourselves because of our differences and in end the diaspora going back to Africa can just be another form of colonisation.
Nah. Dont let that stop you. It doesnt stop Asian and European people from taking from your ancestral homeland. Figure out how to play the game better. Africa is rich and has a very young population.
@@thezu9250Rich in resources many countries are but it is not this that make the country great, powerful or prosperous.
Every other nationality has setup shop in African countries, African Americans, as well as the diaspora, may want to compare notes. The time will come when strategic execution, will be necessary to maintain and grow your business.
Again, at the end of the day, it's not just what you can set up but what you can keep.
Thanks for the post.
If Africans can come into America and seperate, the Diaspora should do the same in Africa. As these new communities build up the local Africans can always be apart. We need unity not uniformity. We are the most diverse group on the earth, that want never change
If this is the type of mindset you have , sorry. You will have a long way to go. Because there is a country in Africa where black Americans were dropped in the 1800s by a shop , and guess what , they took over the government by getting in governmental positions in that country, mild treated the indigenous for years. They robbed them, used them and abused their children and didn't develop that country. The natives got them from power.. So all other African born citizens are aware . And that will NOT ever be allow to happen again. History of such is not forgotten. Working together for development that will benefit everyone , is the best.
@@lovettesmith8196 Liberia was a experiment backed by the American Government but I do not see that in the communities the Diaspora is operating themselves. Speak on the Africans who come to the Americas and separate
the local africans dont need no black americans . At the end of the day black americans are the one who need locals in order to move on
@@kennykross3306 On truth we need eachother. Address what I said, with Africans having there own communities in America
@@TheCounselOfNigritia Africans have their communities as they aren't accepted by black Americans therefore they need to distance themselves. Secondly the word Africans is bogus as u have 54 countries who are very different from each other so therefore none of them even live in the same communities anyway.
I greatly appreciated listening to this young panel with African and African Americans. Ive been trying to figure out why we were so against each other and now I have better insight on what we all have to do to get along with ourselves.
Brilliant conversation, please continue the dialogue as the bridge between locals and the diaspora need to be strengthened.
This is a greatly needed conversation and I'm very happy to see it happening.
I am getting so much from watching these podcasts. Thanks to Kenganda for this.
We all need healing. That is the truth of things. We cannot forget that the same damage by the same enemies were done to us all. We all need help.
So true. Colonizers have done a number on our way of life and spirits.
I love the chic in jeans. She is on point with insight and knowledge. Impartial and respectful. 10/10 👏🏾 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I think it's a culture thing. Values, culture, etc. You know what I think, if we want any semblance of unity and good vibes 😂 we need to have places where we can join together and be with one another and learn about and from one another. There needs to be COMMUNITY led projects that facilitate this. Because long term, it is SO SO SO SOOOOO important! So important! So important.
Culture plus the effects of colonialism.
@@musical_lolu4811 yeah definitely. And whilst I'm listening to them, I understand it from the ground better. The way countries are set up in Africa due to colonialism and elitism by "leaders" definitely is having an effect here. Sadly. I just hope there are ways to get together more and rub off on each other so we can create our own culture and ways of being together - that respects and considers each other.
Dam Oshay this is a good conversation can’t believed I missed this one
The Americans are doing it right. Get powerful in business in Africa as a group first, then you could employee locals and invest in local businesses.
And the Chinese have straight up said You, y'all need bug lamps,A/C and trains in this b_tch!!!!
But oh btw, you will accept the new Global Currency 💲 when it all goes down
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Those Africa Americans most of them are broke
That is what every group do when they come to America and I'm sure Europe. There's a reason for that you don't have to explain anything you all know where you want to go and you have the same mindset on how to get there. Trust is very important in any relationship you have to be a man of your word. A man that stands for nothing will fall for anything
Very true. Diaspora must separate themselves from locals in business. U can't deal with untrustworthy pipo.
That's everything you grasped from this entire session? Ha ha ha
I agree.
Exactly, since when did it become OK to not stand by your word because 'I'm privileged?' lol
They should leave if they can't find means and ways to help people out of their suffering. It's sad to see the so called diaspora want to replicate their negative experiences on our lands, they should just leave, but we will never ask them to leave but they are us.
As an African American who has gone to Africa, I can relate with how African Americans would decide to form associations within themselves. It is not what I would call elitism. It would make logical sense to me for that kind of situation to develop to help increase your chance at having ethics in your business or organization with the ethics we have grew up on and received from the USA. No the USA is not perfect. However there are general ways that businesses and organizations are taken care of in America. Such strategies I would expect are important towards. having trust from the local community, public, clients, customers or what have you in gaining success in your business. But hopefully these kind of strategies could be fostered towards the locals so that they can be a part of the success too.
@47:36 spoken like a true queen!
She has defended her people and hasn’t taken a shit on her people. Regardless of what we face we should never take down to ourselves!
Real Queen Right here!
Great great conversation and sister Tina was right about rebutting the accountability statement. If your people have been in poverty for over three generations, pulling yourself out is slim in any sub Saharan African nations. Great conversation and we all go through these transitions trying to repatriate in Africa. Love all of you all for the conversation.
not everyone is poor . the majority are rather middle class
One of Kenganda's best so far! We're slowly crossing that bridge. Lead de wae ODJ!💪🏾👁
I would have loved to hear a South Africans perspective on this topic, but this was great I learned so much as a South African. Well done guys ❤
Why?. Americans are going to west Africa so let them discuss with their people or let alone from the place they were taken during slavery. How is South African opinion needed here? Aibo yoh
@@livingfaith9189 at the end of the day we’re all black and we’re all on the African continent. If as a people we’re truly trying to build Africa and take it to heights we’ve never seen before we’re going to need to work together to achieve that goal. For the continent to prosper we’re going to need one another, hence having a Southern African perspective would have also added value to this discussion, especially since the Different Diaspora’s are watching and learning too. And we need them if we want to build Africa together.
Guy relax ur trying to speak for us when you don’t. We are coming back home all over Africa i for one love South Africa ive coke for months and I’ve been to Uganda and I also love it there so don’t just think we are coming to only ghana and nigeria eventho I love both places.
A part 2 to this video will be nice. Shout out to the panel and the views shared!
History repeats itself. AA's should be careful to not let that happen again.
OKAY! I would never trust living in Africa versus America. There is a reason so many flee their countries for European countries. Their governments are corrupt too, and infrastructure not as good as any European country......so many reasons not to live in Africa.
AA is two continents... not a race!
@@daphneytennard3267 Their forebears were from one race.
My man did an excellent job explaining his point....I salute you Sir 👍
Thank you, sir!
That's so TRUE! This guy is right!
I just came from Ghana I was trying to work with the locals but they keep reminding me to be careful instead of us actually working together. They want me to help them financially instead and they want to do their own stuff lol the mentality there is different. Guys we can't grow if we don't work together this mentality of working extremely hard to make it to the top by yourself is not worth it.
Honestly lol. They don’t want to work this us but are happy to take your money
@@victoriaogunsanya9074 Absolutely...my opinion is that they really don't want us there
@@jayajaya788 Fuck that “we there” and let’s build up our own. with our own police and prosecutor attorneys, schools Im talking everything. we can do it, no white people allowed tho 😂
They only care about dollars
If I'm working with black Africans and they don't a togetherness mentality I'm not helping.
Oshay, great video!. This Podcast is soooo much on the money about my brothas and sistas worldwide. When I was in Jamaica for vacation I noticed that the locals expected me to buy from them just because I'm a Black American. Even though they said, welcome to Jamacia, it didn't feel real. The sad thing about all of this is these same Jamaicans were jumping hoops to provide excellent customer service to White Americans shopping in stores standing 10 feet away from me.
Very interesting discussion! Thank you so much.
You hear this all over the developing world. This is Uganda, this is India this Jamaica, this is Ghana, this is Nigeria. If Africa is going to develop quickly for the sake of the youth you must do business correctly and on time.
afrika is a continent not a country. plenty of people come here and do business all the time and cry baby black americans who dont own any significant business complain all the time
@@kennykross3306 In America if you are not on time your will have no business. America is 365 business place. Africa have long way to go to encourage people to run business successfully. Some of this criticism of the way business is done in Africa are actually constructive criticism. Use your critical thinking.
@@sophiemclarke6556 first of all shut the fuck up with ur comment. The are successful business all across afrika from morocco to South afrika u comment is uncalled for an sound little arrogant. Black Americans do not own any business here in afrika. I repeat again yall don't own shit. Alike dangote has nearly finished a £15 billion pounds oil refinery which is the biggest oil refinery in the world as well as having one biggest cement factory in Africa and in the world. What successful business Black American have that is outside America nothing. Ur comment right away disrespect the million of successful business owner across afrika. In addition to this, u last person to give constructive criticism in work place trust me.
@@kennykross3306 You guys do hate Black Americans, which is why they tell among them to not trust you. For instance, in the above statement, she never stated Black Americans; you automatically assume it and started attacking her. She gave some legit advice about constructive criticism, which in turn made you write an whole condescending paragraph. I’m not American, but this user name doesn’t seem Black to me either. So, it could be any other race/ethnicity.
@@XRTSDFA u are out ur mind. Black Americans are last people who should open their mouth and make constructive criticism about anything.
This convo is intelligent and hot. Highly appreciated from both sides
It is not privilege. It is about morals, values, and personal ethics. If you know you don’t want it done to you, then you know better.
I think you're kidding. Morals, values ethics are not really fine qualities associated with AAs brothers and sisters,judging by the unfortunate stereotypes spread around the world. Also, Africans usually value families, hierarchy ( in families) , fathers, and grandparents are a central part within the nucleus family. An aspect AAs aren't familiar with, or known for , generally.
@@xena6894 many people think they know what we are and are mot familiar with as American Indians and or ADOS but they are not. We will not discuss the African continent stereo types. Your ignorance is showing.
Your are deflecting from the real issue.
@Ashia49 I think you may have comprehension issues. Stereotypes go both ways. Africans living in the USA have long reported being mistreated by AAs , due to ....stereotypes these AAs may have towards Africans. You don't need to discuss them, we both know them. But you and AAs aren't familiar with Stereotypes Africans hold against your people. Was doing you a favor and letting you know what you weren't aware of. But you chose the infantile" your ignorance is showing " 😀 That being said, I wouldn't mind at all AAs staying together in a community, in those countries that have been calling for the " year of return " . Why not? The're China Towns, Little Jamaica, Little Senegal, Somali boroughs throughout western Europe or North America. So why not AAs can't stay together , where it's easier to communicate between them ,share their culture, especially when it's so different from the locals.
@@xena6894 you are funny😂😂😂
I love this conversation and it's something that the entire "black" community needs to be a part of. I want to shout out @Quest2UniteAfrika because they are approaching this topic head on with their work connecting the diaspora to the continent. I see that this is an issue that all of us Diaspora that repatriate will have to face at least in the present and near future.
This is a serious issue for the people from the diaspora to consider. When Idi Amin kicked out Asians from Uganda, he was actually supported by so many Ugandans. Idi Amin was in fact congratulated by students from Makerere University. Ordinary Ugandans were even speaking the language of Idi Amin--- these foreigners are milking Uganda. Yes, people from the diaspora have significant advantage over the Ugandans who have not travelled anywhere. Exposure to different social, political, economic environment's is very important. People in the US for example, are exposed to so many things. They have access to internet and library. Libraries contain all knowledge, skills, practices that the world has generated. This is rare in Africa. In Kampala I could not read my e-mail because there was no electricity. Today, in the county I live in children are encouraged to read 1000 books before kindergarten. Is this happening in Uganda? And by the way the Kicking out of foreigners in East Africa was planned by the all the countries. So, it's important for the people from the diaspora to think about to how with together with the Ugandans.
You are still brainwashed if you are comparing the Black diasporan direct children of Africa to Indians.
Idi Amin kicked the Indians out and in 2023 Indians control more of Uganda economy than Ugandans
That's y'all fault! Why haven't you built anything yet??? African Americans were FORCED to build Anerica! That was not by choice. African Americans fought for EVERY right they have in that country. YOU have the privilege of being born and raised in your native land but haven't built shit due to constant fighting amongst each other.......Do better and stop looking to the very people who were snatched from everything they knew to build another country.....
1000s books before grade school. Really
It's happening. The staff in the library are eagerly waiting to help but families have to be willing to do it. It can be impossible for single parents who have to be at work all the time. And that is why single parents households are always a problem.
My first episode and I'm glad I found the channel. Great episode, even better topic and respectful dialogue. Good job guys👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
The local continental Africans work/operate on a go slow, lackadaisical, substandard when it comes to other black people from the diaspora but they work at a fast pase, with the swiftness/on schedule when it comes to people of other ethnicity!!!
completely nonsense .
@39:00 'Everything else has raised in price, but the price of alcohol in this country'. WOW! 😳🤔
I enjoy the program. I understand everything that happens in Ghana fuzz business and why the black diaspora separates. From the native people they look at you like a 🏧. I have known a person in Ghana had his entire business stolen by someone from Ghana because he had to partner up with them. Also the young lady on the show was very toasty.
This is spot on!
Truth!
This is a good podcast. I am learning a lot about "the diaspora." What the sister (w/ headwrap) said about "they don't care" is very telling... Capitalism rules the world and dictates who will be poor... Africans need to start caring.
Let me just throw this out there. That conversation about people not paying, or not doing what they're supposed to do in business. It was my entire experience working in the clothing business in New York and New Jersey. It was just normal and typical that nobody did what they said they were going to do. Nobody. Nobody shipped goods on time. People shipped goods that you didn't order and they hoped that you would just take it. They shipped the wrong quantities and hope that you would just take it. They didn't pay, certainly not on time. One standard operating procedure that I experienced as a norm was people would not pay until they needed something else. You deliver the goods or services. They don't pay. Then, they ask for new goods or services, and they pay at that time. This is America I'm talking about. That experience was so terrible and so stressful. Your goods arrive, and you have no idea what you're going to find when you open those boxes. It's extra cost, extra time, etc. Ya'll got me stressed just remembering that experience. LOL And it gets worse. A lot of people won't tell you anything if they don't have good news. You ordered goods but they didn't arrive. That's because they never shipped them. You call and try to find out where your goods are, but the contact person won't answer the phone. You call over and over, but the contact person never answers and never responds. And suddenly, 2 weeks later, the contact person calls you like nothing is wrong with good news, your goods are on the way! I had people who were mad because they found out that I was making a ton of money on the goods that they had sold to me. Suddenly, they decided that their own wholesale prices were not enough. They wanted to get a piece of my action! Like, how do you fix your mouth to question how much I sell the goods for? You have a wholesale price. I pay it. That's the end of our conversation. But, I will say that what I'm describing is the what it's like in the North East. It's not necessarily like that elsewhere in America.
I been living in Tanzania for 2 1/2 yrs. The same things happen with the diasporas here. It is a trust issue here with us as well. Of course we prefer to do business with the locals but it is difficult to trust some of the locals. There have been horror stories of those diaspora who have gotten beat badly and had to run back to America because they ran out of money
Wow we need to link
@@Kenganda hi Duke, I think people need to stop thinking they know too much and are better than the locals when they come to Africa. You mentioned Liberia and this is this exactly what is happening and from your speech it's not only about elitism but they want to be superior to the local Africans.
With the issue of businesses and people scamming people out of their businesses and running down businesses is not about diaspora, this happens amongst the locals too. Go out there and speak to most business owners and see what they go through and what others trying to start-up have been through. Black people are literally born like this. like the lady said the fact you are here doesn't mean the people must change for you or do things your way. O'shea do you know how many diaspora are scamming their own than Africans. Not all locals are the same. The best solution is for brothers and sisters to calm down and learn the culture and ways and understand the people in order to blend in and also to know how and who to deal with. There are bad people everywhere but you need the right people to deal with. Some diaspora come to Africa with the colonizers mentality and that's why they fail because people will not allow that.
The brother made a point but that was for those individuals at the top from what I understood because he didn't want to say it clearly. Which is corruption at it's best but same thing in the west they call it lobbying. This sort of corruption affects the locals out there because if your initiative doesn't succeed some people miss out on jobs.
I noticed that a lot diaspora accuse the local Africans that they are scammers but they are the ones scamming their own more because you guys get to trust your fellow diaspora than the locals you are there to live with and want to behave like slave masters and the people wouldn't like that. But we do not hate any diaspora. It's the diaspora who are thought to hate each other and they bring that mentality over because they are paranoid. The issue also in Africa is the trading standards and laws which does favour anyone.
O'shea no foreigners can do anything without an African right from opening business to buying houses and a lot more. This was policies they did put in place for foreigners not to come in with their money to take advantage of the system and people. Regardless of being a diaspora not all black people are black if you get my point because a lot would work for the slave master to finish his own black people. Same as an African cannot just go to the west either British or American or wherever but you must go through the process just as the policies setup and the Africans going abroad to struggle before being able to achieve some standard. Remember the west is also interfering in African issues too. She said everything has gone up except alcohol what does that tell you in Uganda?
The systems are designed to prevent unity. But the local Africans regardless are welcoming to the diaspora and with no hate but the diaspora feel they are hated. You know sometimes even though we all speak English sometimes the locals prefer to speak their local languages and would keep them away or shy away from indulging in the conversation. Diaspora need to try to learn the unity of African because the diaspora are thought division.
I'm Ghana land was donated freely by a chief for all diaspora and when the diaspora arrived most wanted to turn it into a diaspora only town with a fence wall and their own formed police not the Ghanaian state police but their own with armed police and no locals coming around. Meanwhile the chief that gave this land wanted the diaspora to come and live there together in harmony with the locals and learn from each other and knowing the diaspora would create jobs and businesses which would benefit all. I am talking about Asebu Freeland for diaspora in Ghana at Cape Coast. Guess what, the land is free for every diaspora but you have to pay to get your land registration documents like everywhere else but the land allocated is free. Some diaspora who came and keep coming, I said some are using this to scam their own fellow diaspora because they keep telling the diaspora not to trust the locals and they would handle everything but scam them in the end or too them off. Mostly without the idea of the locals. Some come and look around and then go back and form a tourism business bringing people to scam them. They take them top places and scam them after the fun and exciting trips. Then after They get scammed by their own they start to blame the locals out of anger. But most successful diaspora were all helped by locals. Africans are kind welcoming people. Diaspora need to leave what they are told and taught there when coming. A lot also come to Africa wanting things to be like telling west they came from forgetting they are in the motherland.
Have you asked yourself why is that any most diaspora that come to visit and see opportunity go back and come with a tourism group of people or organise tours with all inclusive using well bargained hotels to cut themselves deals so that they make more money on their own into their pockets. Look at most of them that have been accused? Are the locals? Mostly diaspora. We need to watch some of them because they don't come with good intentions. This is why some countries are reluctant in giving their passports to diaspora because some may use it badly.
@@nanabrimpong3485but Africans don’t come to america to do business with black America, they look pass that and focus on their education and money
@@yungheat84 what do you call America? Land of opportunity right? And I disagree with your point because the masses that come there are In search for greener pastures and barely have enough to start businesses that can employ most black American's or black European or Caribbean. But the ones who are fortunate to open businesses that can employ a lot do employ everyone. I bare witness to this because I know Ghanaians in America that have employed black American's and same in Europe as black Europeans. In fact some even do businesses with black American's and European and some are even business partners. The issue black American's mostly have is they look down on Africans when they come abroad and make fun of them. The jobs get take you black American's wouldn't take or do it because you feel entitled but they do it and make money and all they get in return like you just said is hate and envy because they do well over there. Remember when you see any African abroad they have a huge responsibility to feed themselves and family members back home. Unlike the black American's who have been westernized and know only their nucleus family, we Africans have the responsibility of the extended. So if you see them chasing that money it isn't just for them but for their entire family. Plus the lifestyle they live abroad is different from most black American's or black European, they live very humble lifestyle unlike most black American's make your money just for yourselves and think of some special grooming gear and expensive jewellery and all that money for that jewellery could start a business or even but a home but a brother would live in the mothers basement and buy those things and not own a business. And African would only get what is necessary at the time with regards to their pockets. I wouldn't say too much but keep your eyes open and see the difference in lifestyle abroad between the two. Plus we struggle a lot to even make it there just to live and work of study. And after all that huddle even an African gets there you want him to hang out with brothers and sisters in the hood just spending most of the time doing nothing or their own things, what does the African brother gain from hanging out with them wasting time that could make them money to pay bills. But they do hang out with you guys but sometimes you guys also disassociate with them because you feel you are better than them because they are from Africa and you are not. But here you are now trooping to Africa. There are favourable and good systems in place abroad that you guys are born into that people born in Africa don't have. So there is a big difference in lifestyle people are brought up with. The little things you take for granted is a big thing for the African.
The sister makes a good point. but we as black people have to fight for our rights and some will die, we are the only race of people who keep saying only God knows. Every other race fights.
Thank God for yt. I really thought I wanted to go to Africa, but after watching yt videos about it, no way. It sounds like I would be dealing with a similar mess as in the US. Then it sounds like just because you are a blk American, they want to get over on you.
Awesome conversations. Great points made by everyone. Oshay is leading the wave of this African unity. Sone of us diasporas are on board and want to help bring the change we need for all African descendants. It’s the only way to end white supremacy.
Oshay seems to have a passion for our people and doesn't mind kicking butts. I think we as blacks in the diaspora need it. After 400 years we ought to be ready and qualified to return home and be a real help.
@@JPayne-uo8ti agreed 👌🏾
Amazing discussion. I see we of the diaspora must first earn trust of demonstrated inclusion and intent for shared wealth with the people who are native to the country into which we immigrate and of which we would like to be a part. This stance being taken while recognizing and utilizing the positive progression of long standing traditions.
Do African immigrants do that in the US?
@@JasNakira-bs5nx No. That is partly the reason for the disunity between African Americans and African immigrants in the US. Africans seem to come here to tske advantage of US prosperity, not to participate in cultural exchange or integration. In fact, I heard from an African associate that they are told by Europeans and media that we AAs are poor, savage, and criminals, much like many if us AAs were previously told of them. Racist 'prefrence' in the US is that middle class Africans not be involved with AAs or our domestic struggles with racism.
I've noticed that the tech industry in which I've worked employs many African men and almost no African American men. African men in that industry have even shunned me as an AA woman. Ivreceived more acknowledgement from Arabs and Intians in the tech workplace than Africans. An African associate in the workplace once told me their saying is, "Don't fool with American blacks. You will be poor."
My inital comment assumed that tge diaspora retutning to Africa wanted to eventually become part of its economy, which is very much intertwined with its culture. I've heard that Africa is economically intertwined with socializing. For the diaspora to have economic prosperity in Africa, it seems being exclusive is not the way.
Cold heart reality based discussions! 💯
REAL TALK! Taking notes. I truly appreciate this guidance.
Respect for this episode 👍🏾
Some Africans love and value the white man! I have heard some things that are going on in Africa, especially with Africa Americans...we must understand that all skin folks aren't kin folks...
A person defends what they relate to the most.
It's amazing how this conversation parallels that between white and black Americans. Privilege. Bootstrap. Accountability within failed systems. Etc.
Without self accountability, nothing gets done. There’s no growth. Self accountability is key in order to get better. Without it, you remain a failure, and not even the government can help you.
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Facts
Of course its the government that has to instill the culture of accountability in its citizens. It starts from the top. But it has systematically closed one eye so that they can exploit the system themselves. They are the biggest beneficiaries of the system
@pepe it’s actually the complete opposite it’s the people from the ground that sets the standard for values and principles not a dam government wth
@@LosAngelesMade I see you have bad understanding, that’s what I said!
I'll NEVER RESPECT anyone who LEANS on EXCUSES! PERIODT!
Thanks for this conversation. Watching this channel now makes me wonder where can we go as a diaspora to get things done? We are greatly damaged across this planet or so it seems.
Southern Africa is much better
@@pmambongwe8640 Can you elaborate on why SA is much better?
@@Ntegritty Interact with AA this side and ask them about their experiences here then compare it to the experince of those in West Africa for example. It will be better coming from them
Bottom line is it's about honesty being a person of your word, that's all and that's it.
True
That is a problem they are having..😢
Common sense is a privilege and that is something most continental Africans don't have where business is concerned.
Wow there might be at least 1.3billiion black people in the continent . Most of them would represent what percentage . What would be the percentage of those without common sense out of over a billion . Black in America at least 45 million Michelle Obama seems like she has common sense but some in Chicago might not . Afro Brazilian over 120 million . Brazilian soccer star Pele 3 wives multiple mistresses . I would assume Paul Kagame in Rwanda has common sense . Life expectancy in Rwanda was 26 in 1994 today almost 70 the highest in East Africa . Black women life expectancy in US 71 and declining . Black men 68 and declining .
@@pplopde4437 Well, the perfect example of most don't have common sense when it comes to business is when the diaspora spend their money with businesses on the continent always get scammed or over priced will cause the diaspora not to return to continue doing business with them, but the local businesses are always loyal to locals with the pricing and "MOST" locals don't have money. So who played who?
Loving this podcast Already!❤️🌹🔥
Joanita is a spectator just like the rest of us in these Repat podcasts...
I'm loving the revamp of this channel having these conversations. Powerful.
Both guests are very knowledgeable and I must say Tina knows her stuff this is the second video I watched her on the show and I learn something every time
Lathe brotha articulated himself very well. Left no confusion. I only wish that a business person from Ghana could be there to rebut or push back on some of his points.
Oshay we need Kenganda clips or shorts or something. The opening preview will be good for sharing. Not everyone has 30+ min all the time to plug in. A little here or there can go a long way and will be great for sharing among my peers. Thank you for listening or not 🤣
Yes we will bro sorry about that!
I love the way the narrator Osha / Kenganda directed his podcast, and the ladies as well articulating themselves. However, the brother Master Gabs in checkered Red shirt for his articulation as a speaker bc it's not easy to speak so well in front of others listening & watching. All on the panel really got their point across. However, the lady in the jeans Tina done well speaking up for the people too. Thanks for sharing this video.
Tina truly lives in LaLa Land. The privilege that immigrants enjoy in America is backed by the GOVERNMENT, and a CULTURE of Work Ethics. There is zero support system from the government or local community for diasporans in Uganda. I don't recognize or experience any "privilege" in Uganda that extends beyond what I have in my wallet. How is she actually making diasporans responsible for the conditions in Uganda that were already there . Petrol trucks and also trains run through developed countries everyday, that is also a risk to enable that DEVELOPMENT..I suggest she swallow a dose of "This is Uganda".
Is that what you got from this? 😂
@@tinaw463 please explain if you meant something other than immigrants shouldn't expect fairness, transparency, and professionalism from people in business in Uganda, and if they do it's because of some type of privilege. I admit that I was never labeled a genius and Mensa is not looking for me, but I certainly don't live in the same neighborhood as stupid...even here in Uganda.
@@Silverbackugx we can work Towards change but my point was you’re gonna get super frustrated thinking that change will take effect any time soon in the meantime I accept uganda for what it is and it’s love hate but definitely more love. Not once did I say diasporas were responsible for the way uganda was the only people responsible are those in power right? I just said there are benefits to coming over here from abroad so I can understand where the locals might be resentful. Acknowledging your privilege does not take away from any struggles you might have. Both things can be true
@@tinaw463 both things cannot be true. Privilege does not require monetary compensation. Whites have privilege, they get served first, they get left in the hotel room in peace until check out time and beyond, they get served HOT food in a timely manner. NONE of that cost them a schilling. However...this privilege you think Black Americans experience DOES NOT extend beyond their spending capacity. I intentionally don't iron my clothes before going shopping in these streets and never ask what anything cost, I simply point to or pick up what I want and give it to the vendor. That saves me a lot of BS from the local culture. My friends have always told me that Black Americans are their own tribe, I never understood why they would say that until I realized they only understand things in tribalistic routines. When they ask why I haven't learned the local language, I respectfully reply that if I travel 40-50Km nobody speaks your local language, if I travel 40-50 more nobody speaks that language, and since the world that I live and move in is much larger than your tribal territory, I respectfully decline from wasting my time. The arrogance and stubbornness of traditional Africans will hold them behind the ever changing world if they don't wake up.
what u wrote is nonsense . An immigrant need indeed a culture of work ethics but if u are new in usa u dont get help from usa government.
All Tina was speaking were straight facts🔥🔥🔥🔥 and the fact that she has grown up in Uganda and in the UK, I guess she has first-hand knowledge on the topic. I totally agree with her, the systems in place in LDCs are not apt enough to elevate the average Ugandan. The existing systems only favour the rich families, and the well-connected people. That is why there is a ceaseless exodus of Ugandans to "greener pastures", and the diametrical influx of "foreigners" into Ug. Until the systems are bettered to benefit their citizens, this will remain the status quo. Love your show.
Kudos to Tina for checking my privileged brother on the question of self-accountability. It's easy to tell people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, forgetting that some people have no bootstraps at all to pull. When you have never walked in another man's shoes for an hour, don't be too quick to judge or think less of him. We are what we are by God's grace, people, it's not all the result of our hard work and creativity.
There's no way an African American can be privileged.... y'all sound like 🤡
This is what the Lebanese do throughout West Africa
People will stay POOR if they keep NOT delivering the goods and services they promised. Your word and integrity is how you'll be able to build a SUCCESSFUL business.
O'Shay is showing us that the defeatist mindset exist in other places. Using people's perceived privilege as a club to beat them down to your level. While dwelling in your weak minded victimhood. For all of the people who overcome all odds as if they never existed. Here's to you. Stay focused.
Is it me, or is Tina a hater? If not then when is she not a hater.
@Tina W Nah, you just a straight up hater! 😆
Tinaaa! ❤🔥Build it up Tina! Accountability is a privilege.