Intel Core i5-12500 vs. 12400 Differences, Benchmarks, & Review
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2024
- The Intel i5-12500 vs. i5-12400 differences are small on paper (other than the IGP), so we wanted to see whether it's worth buying the i5-12500 over the 12400, ft. benchmarks for games & IGP.
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The 12500 vs. 12400 comparison mostly boils down to the frequencies -- base and boost -- for CPU-bound performance; however, there is an IGP component difference in the UHD 770 vs. UHD 730 (and frequency differences there) as well. It's not as much our focus, but we previously tested these IGPs and can show those results to help you form an opinion on whether it's worth it.
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00:00 - Intel i5-12500 CPU Review
02:06 - Intel i3-12100F vs. 12400 vs. 12500 Specs
03:16 - UHD 770 vs. UHD 730 Benchmarks
05:24 - Frequency Validation
06:11 - CSGO at 1080p & 1440p (i5-12500 vs. i5-12400)
07:37 - Rainbow Six Siege at 1080p & 1440p
08:32 - F1 2021 CPU Benchmarks
09:03 - Red Dead Redemption 2 Best CPUs
09:21 - Grand Theft Auto V
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10:02 - Blender Cycles CPU Rendering
10:25 - Chromium Code Compile
10:50 - Power Consumption
11:13 - Conclusion
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Thanks, guys, this is exactly what I was thinking about lately.
Both IGPU:s are sucky, don't actually tell the whole story for anyone considering it.
If you care about IGP because GPU prices are high. The better one has 33% more flops than the worse one.
I would say that 33% faster is in a different class. And that faster one sucks also makes that difference even more noticeable.
And if I use the price difference to 12400f as GPU they both have about the same price/perf while beating 1030 in price/perf :D
There is just nothing I could actually recommend for anyone to get as GPU right now other than use what you already have.
On the other hand, waiting for GPU prices to drop and Zen4 to come to market is probably a more sensible option for anyone not NEEDING a new machine right now.
Were the bench done with DDR4 or DDR5?
I wanna see 12600 non-K vs12400
@@Dodara87 Huh? There is no point. Same "better" igpu as a 12500 and a couple more MHz. So, add another 1,5% to gaming performance, lol.
The 12500 is 100 better than the 12400. That's just science.
We could have made this video a lot shorter if we had known that science...
Exactly. That's why the 12900k is 7000 better than the 5900x -Intel's marketing
Dude this is how I write is exams. I will write in fancy words . Somehow graduated
Good call, won't watch the video now. Thanks!
@@GamersNexus git gud
One thing I love about GN is the amount of respect they have for the budgets of their viewers with lesser means.
Reviews like GN do help so much in order to stretch the budget to ensure you can get the best items for you buck. Helps figure out where the most money should be spent and on what part it is best to spend it on.
Also respect in general... though rage/drama puts it to the test. XD
@@TechyBen But, but... without that, what are we all supposed to yell at each other about? :} YT must have its interaction. All hail The Algorithm, hehe.
I do wish they'd mention other budget options sometimes, but I suppose GN's focus is more the new market. TechYesCity, Myconst, PhilsComputerLab, Craft Computing, RandomGamingInHD and others cover used XEONs and other options. Pricing for something basic can be crazy low, eg. the 6c/12t 2420 v2 is less than $10, while the 8c/16t 2650 v2 is about $15; they run surprisingly well, though one needs newer HW parts for some instruction set features that some games require these days.
Did you ever re-visit the issues with the higher end DDR5 on ASUS boards? Just like your 12900k review piece, I know a friend who is having severe problems with getting XMP to work on that platform period.
Is your friend using G.SKILL 5600 C36? I’ve found a few people with that exact kit on ASUS DDR5 where it is is essentially unusable with XMP. For whatever reason, the faster G.SKILL 6000 C36 worked at XMP I out of the box on an ASUS Z690-I STRIX.
woah hi castlers
Not a solution, but people should manually overclock. It's not as hard as people let on it is, it's just really time consuming. There's a great guide by integralfx on github about DDR4. The same general philosophy still applies. Find your highest frequency with very loose timings, once frequency is found, find your tightest primaries, then find your tightest secondaries, and if you're a glutton, find the tertiaries. Just make sure to test the hell out of your ram. Run 6-8 hours worth of testing before you consider it stable and move on, otherwise you'll get deeper in to the process, only to find that the error is coming from frequency or something. My XMP settings work, but they're far from what my ram is actually capable of. With ASUS not working with XMP, it's probably because one of the XMP settings is too tight, by manually overclocking you'll be able to find out which setting is throwing it off.
Just re-watched GN’s i9-12900K review: their issue was G.SKILL DDR5-6000 on ASUS! I updated to a newer BIOS (1003 vs GN’s launch BIOS of 0503 or 0702) and used a similar kit (mine is 6000 / C36) without a problem. Hit XMP I, reboot, done in 20 seconds. GN also tried Gear 1 which I assume your friend isn’t using-ADL IMC won’t run any DDR5 at Gear 1 (not without extreme coaxing / instability).
My thoughts so far: could be that really tricky 5600 / C36 kit (I’d try a refund or selling it 😭), an older BIOS (update; 1003 has many DDR5 fixes), 4x sticks (ADL IMC can only do 3600 or 4000 w/ 4 sticks-very tough), or Gear 1 (all DDR5 is essentially Gear 2 by definition). It could also just be a bad stick / mobo / IMC, but trying JEDEC first may help rule those out.
Apologies; the tricky 5600 / C36 kit. Don’t understand how a faster set is more compatible, but OCN (Overclock.net ASUS Z690 megathread) is littered with people having trouble even booting with that kit on ASUS DDR5 (even 1003!). G.SKILL seemingly fucked that one up beyond repair: perhaps G.SKILL can also RMA it for a better revision? That kit alone has-unfortunately IMO-turned people against Samsung ICs even though they clock relatively well + have tight timings.
I'd be really interested in seeing 12600 non-k added to this comparison, also maybe comparing the 12600 and the 12600K. Wonder how much the +4 E cores add to the performance.
This! There is also another dimension in the 12600 being the fastest chip you can get with no e-cores which does have a certain appeal for people who want to stick to windows 10 as long as possible.
@@catriona_drummond it's like 200 mhz extra out of 4600 which is a tiny %, so not worth a whole lot....
Yep, the 12600 is only 30 euros more than the 12400.
You gotta remember, you gain unlocked cpu, + 2mb more lv3 cache + 4extra cores(all tho e-cores, they seem to matter in some games from hub/nexus earlier tests).
+ the extra mhz out of the box as well. I think it all depends on your use case, and how much you spend on the other pc parts.
@@AdaaDK but still most people will not take advantage of the fact that the cpu is unlocked. At most will just enable xmp and performance power profile thats it. as for the base case of people who don't care about e cores (and people on Win10 who don't have a system for it anyways) the 12600 does seem to be left behind in most reviews - just like the 12700
When the raptor lake i3 comes out I'm just gonna slap that plus a low(ish) end alchemist card on my home pc. I at least want it to be good enough to beat the 7400 and 1060 3GB currently in it. I'm grateful to have you guys here benchmarking this stuff
I doubt the low end intel cards will match or exceed a 1060
@@BA-oy9uo lmao bruh the lowest end card is gonna compete with the 1650 super
@@mineatomtr 1650 super is basically the same performance as a 1060. Wong should definitely upgrade though since they have the 3GB model.
@@Evan-sl4dt incorrect. even the base gtx 1650 is slightly faster than the 1060. The 1650 super is considerably faster than the 1060. Since the entry level Intel card is going to have 6gb of VRAM it could be a good upgrade if pricing is good
You’d be better off with a next gen AMD APU. The RDNA2 IGP is amazing.
hello, thanks for the video. (leaving out the benchmarks) While using the processor, have you noticed any particular area where you can exploit it and take advantage of its computing power at 100% (or a little less)? being a very powerful CPU that in general use makes no difference even compared to a 12400 or even cheaper CPU, in what can you feel the difference more? even with regard to some type of programs where the performance difference is more marked eg : programming: text editor; 3D design: gaming.
was literally looking for any videos like this and you came thru!!! 10/10!
I'd say that if you consider the whole audience of the channel as uninterested in any IGP at all, then the obvious choice is the 12400F. But if they're considering the need for an iGP almost at all, then the value of the UHD 770 does justify it.
So in which case, I'd say my recommendations would be (considering prices to be generally proportional to today, not considering sales): 12400F for no-iGP, 12500 for iGP.
there's a benefit in having a IGP at all. you can repurpose hardware down the road without a seperate gpu, and it's also useful for testing purpose's.
The repurposing old hardware thing alone has me wishing i'd gone for a cpu with a igp (it hadn't crossed my mind at the time of purchase)
Oh thanks
What are some other benefits of igpus? I heard you need quicktime codecs for video editing, but does 730 vs 770 make any difference? Do you need igpu for 3D modelling as well?
@@animefreak5757 only benefit is if your gpu breaks so you can watch youtube
if you need a IGP then surely the 5600g is the better option.
The iGPU is quite handy for video production (and for the CPU at hand at a budget).
I think Tech Notice made a video about the Intel iGPUs being the only ones that support all variants of the H265 codec.
Something no discrete GPU does at the moment.
Just what I needed before going to bed, a newly uploaded GN video😁 Thanks for all you guys do!
Back to you, Steve, for the i5-12600 non K review!
@ТеIерurtе 🅥 its so weird coming from your latest video to this and seeing your comment. also i didnt know you were into soaps
I fully understand not really diving into the codec stuff as gaming is very much a focal point of your channel and your audience. The 12500 is already kind of a niche part when the 12400 exists (and I'd argue that for your audience, the non-F SKUs are already niche parts so it's a niche within a niche), so why not go into those niche areas where the 12500 might make a meaningful difference over the 12400, rather than just rolling out another set of standard benchmarks which mostly tell us what we already know?
For example, does the extra codec engine meaningfully increase the number of simultaneous 10-bit 4K HEVC streams a 12500 can transcode to 8-bit 1080p AVC for something like a Plex server that someone is running on their main PC? Plex also supports hardware HDR tonemapping using the GPU for acceleration, is the UHD 770 more performant here than the UHD 730?
Or perhaps is the quality of Quick Sync Video high enough that it provides a meaningful alternative to NVENC, especially for those who pair this with say a 6700 XT where AMD's AVC encoder is not particularly great for low-bit rate live-streaming on Twitch by comparison. Does the 12500 retain higher gaming performance than the 12400 in that scenario?
I also understand that your desire for a rigorous testing methodology in all things would make pieces like that much more work than something like this (i.e. research, design, development, and testing of that methodology all for the sake of one content piece), but even an exploratory piece that's deliberately not a review and therefore not as rigorous could be useful.
Again, totally respect that's well beyond what you were going for here, and not to take away anything from the work you already do (and we appreciate it!), but I feel like there might actually be something meaningful for a small sliver of users where the few bucks extra the 12500 might cost could make sense (PCs being used for business vs gaming, Plex/Jellyfin/Emby servers, and streaming with an AMD GPU is all I can really think of though).
the liquid nitrogen canisters look so good in the background. I haven't been subscribed long but I love that I was around for the liquid nitrogen OC videos and now they are in the background of the set. I can see a vein there of adding past video subject material to the background set....maybe theres a 500mm fan lying around?? with test specs??????
Hey GN, in your last graph, is it meant to say 12T for the 12500? Or was power consumption tested with SMT disabled?
Might look at one of those to replace my aging i5-4590 at work. Mainly for web/mobile app development with Visual Studio, Photoshop/Illustrator and some video transcoding (Handbrake), looks like a decent sweet spot if not going with discrete graphics.
This review didn't cover what I was actually wondering about the UHD 770 vs. the UHD 730 - how they differ in terms of video encoding with QSV, if they differ at all.
Check 12900k review...
@@bartekowca666 Where in his 12900K review does he evaluate QSV performance?
@@mscheese000 It's in the 5600G/5700G iGPU testing.
@@TheKazragore thank you.
@@TheKazragore Where? Which video specifically and what timestamp? I only see CPU benchmarks for Premiere. They're not relevant to my question.
Thanks for the heads up. ❤️👍
One thing I've seen over the years: The more obscure intel CPU SKUs are usually a bit overlooked during demand surges, so there will occasionally be, for example, at 10500 available for less than a 10400. So, I would say treat them as mostly equivalent *other than* the fact that availability and susceptibility to inflated prices may be different, so the 500 SKU gives you a chance to nab *something* at MSRP when the 400 SKU is overpriced. Maybe.
Indeed. People tend to look for the small and the big i5 and totally forget the one in the middle.
During the power consumption table, the 12500 is shown as using only 6 threads as opposed to 12 used by the 12400. Is this correct? Would that change the power usage?
saw it too, Datasheet says 12T so i assume its a Typo
would you mind checking the QS differences? what's the time with the same target quality and quality with on the fly streaming?
I was wondering this too, but I think I might ask EposVox. EposVox has dive amazing reviews of this in the past, so I think he'd be there best one to ask.
Good morning, Gamers Nexus !
Enjoying your content since i discovered the chanel :)
Since you test the 12th gen celeron adn i3, maybe you could test the i3 9100(F) and / or 10100(F) , and the Ryzen 3 3100 and 3300X, and the previous gen pentium (6400 i believe?).
Kind regards
Hey man thank you for the videos. I have been asking around for an answer which is somewhat related to this video, but with no luck. I have heard that the 12700 performs almost the same as the 12700k if you upgrade the cooler and disable power limits in the bios, is this true? If so can you make a video explaining how to do that. Thanks in advance
I'd love to see the 12700 vs 12700k do battle. Your probably right - they both have E cores and the same amount of threads I believe, so when sufficiently cooled (and without overclocking the K model), they probably do perform really closely.
Like you, I'm not totally sure though. If it is true, the 12700 could be the silent hero of Alder Lake, especially with a H670 💭
@@joshuastedford1670 Yh exactly
What about the different in the IGP in the 12400 vs. the 12500 for office application use?
I'm thinking about building a new HTPC, is it wise to go for I5-12500 because of the UHD 770? (for like future proving, codecs stuff, being able to stream/cast everything incl. things like RUclips/Netflix/Prime Video 4K/Twitch)
Or is UHD 730, or maybe even UHD 630 enough for all of that for now/foreseeable futere?
Going with a lower spec integrated graphics opens up possibilities for (much) cheapers build, but i don't want to have regrets and no opportunity to upgrade because i went for cheapest option/already outdated platform (like i3-10100 with UHD 630)
Just out of curiosity for the CSGO 'CPU bound' test, how come you are running the settings on high? Would it not be better to run everything as low as possible to generate as many frames.
Great videos thanks.
Also wondering this, plus CS:GO competitive settings are almost all on Low.
@@popcorny007 cuz steve doesn't play cs go
uhd 770 is very good option for low budget editing rig, when combined with a discrete GPU
Just the comparison I was looking for. I was thinking there would be a bigger difference but now I know to invest in a better motherboard instead. Thanks
Please don't call it an "investment" unless you're making money with it.
How do you guys log FPS for your reports? It's been surprisingly difficult to find a program that logs FPS throughout a game session. Something that can export a CSV file or something I can convert into a nice graph.
A thought on future videos... maybe get a teleprompter. I know Steve loves his sheets to read off of but maybe a teleprompter with his notes will allow him to keep his eyes on the camera versus on the paper. Add a bit of production and presentation value. Love the info regardless but this crossed my mind so I thought I would pass on the feedback.
In addition to QuickSync like you mentioned, I could see the improved IGP being helpful to game streamers who use a DGPU. It could help a lot to offload the video encoding from the CPU and DGPU while a heavy-duty AAA title is running, particularly for a twitchy first-person shooter who needs _all_ the FPS. I'd still buy the 12500 instead of the 12400 because I've been burned before by cheaping out on the 100 MHz difference. 😅 (It was 2002 and 100 MHz increase meant a lot more then, but once bitten, twice shy, right?) 👍️
i seriously doubt the difference is meaningful though since the 12400 already has a single quicksync, since most of those who really need every last fps have a 12900k anyways, and since nvenc has barely any performance impact beyond effectively placebo
If those 100 MHz are important, there is also the 12600, and after that the 12600K, and after that the chaos that is i7
i'm actually interested in this over the 12400 for the quicksync capabilities for a new plex server! wonder it's just a waste to have the extra video codec
The big difference is ECC memory support imho. That's the only reason why I bought the 12500, but I do not use it for gaming.
Cheers, thank you for the actual work.
Would be interesting to see iGPU performance in settings they might do well in, like 720p medium or low. I use iGPUs for a secondary monitor and backup, so if my dGPU dies or what I still have something to fall back on.
This is really an honest hard work.. Thanks a lot buddy for your amazing job
Great Steve but if somebody use Pc for emulation specifically for RPCS3 maybe it will make difference on fps?
I have a plex server that I plan to upgrade. Would 12500 perform a lot better at transcoding multiple videos at the same time than 12400 because of better iGPU? Or will the difference be not insignificant?
no one(including this channel) ever actually tests the hardware video decoding abilities of igpu's, like how high a resolution can it decode vp9, hevc or the newest av1 format without dropping frames etc.
Is there an error in the listing for Power @ 11:00? Says the 12500 has 6T should it be 12T?
So I'm guessing 12400 vs 12500 is a similar situation to AMD's Ryzen 'X' vs 'XT'?
Even less somehow
If you don't care about the iGPU
@@cromefire_ IGP* Integrated Graphics Processor
@@GoodnotGreat88 Well it's still it own unit, so iGPU is still correct.
@@GoodnotGreat88 it's not that pedantic...
iGPU is mostly a general designation the public uses,
IGP is intel marketing for it,
APU is AMD marketing for it....
Just quick suggestion: please include a few key e-sports games benchmarks with these IGPUs, as people building 'budget gaming PCs' or SSFX builds that choose this solution without a dedicated GPU will likely want to play games like LoL, DotA, Valorant, Apex, etc. It would be really useful for a lot of players on a budget to know if a certain IGPU is enough for 120fps, for example, in those games.
Perhaps, in a game like LoL, there would really be a useful difference between the 730 and 770 in terms of FPS.
The extra video processing could be useful for some multi monitor business applications, and the second codec engine could be useful for streamers to offload work to from their main GPU. Very niche cases though.
I'm willing to bet they're making 12500/770 silicon and downgrading some to 12400/730 on imperfect chips based on silicon lottery.
I fully agree, depending on use case, iGPU come into play. Also in cases where running more applications/system benchmarking would probably show more difference.
Obviously all i5 share the actual silicon, it's all a matter of binning and yield. Usually Intel only have 2 silicon designs for the entire generation from which to harvest all of the SKUs.
Steve n coffee, what a start to the day 👌thanks as always to you n the crew!
Haven't checked this with the 12500 or 12400, but with the 12600 I'll *have* to buy the K version over the KF if prices stay as they currently are. Weirdly enough, all the KFs I can find (if I can find them at all) are actually a little more expensive than the K. Which is understandable from a supply/demand POV, but still weird.
What's the reason you didn't compare it to the 12600 too? It's a super weird CPU because it doesn't actually have the E-cores of the 12600K, while the 12700 does. So weird
I have been waiting for this. The two chips cost the same in my country.
Thanks!
Planning on using it in my plex server. So the extra eus and the second stream is perfect 12500 with quicksync is gonna be a difference in this use case won’t it?
It might, especially if you're using multiple streams. So if you're not on too tight of a budget I'd say why not. (Although the CPU will be strong enough it could probably also do software encoding)
@@cromefire_ yea. So would be perfect. I am sure I can take $10 off the case or a fan in order to purchase it and buy a fan later.
Better that than regretting getting that one over 2 cups of coffee.
@@Antwerp87 Well if you're so tight on a budget it's a another story, I'd say proper fans are more important, especially for a server running 24/7. I'd consider it more like an upgrade if you got the 10 bucks to spend anyway.
Unfortunately, the 12500 is currently $325.00 on Amazon, out of stock at Best Buy, and doesn't appear to exist anywhere on Newegg. Luckily, the 12400 and 12500 are very similar in performance, so the increased base clock of the 12500 is basically the only thing I'm losing out on by being on the 12400. Whatever the case, I'm very pleased with my 12400 purchase. It's a very nice upgrade over my aging i5-9600K. 😄
Probably sips power compared to it too
@@astaldo instead of giving the power supply head and tonguing its capacitors
Not nitpicking - genuine question! In the power consumption section, you list the 12500 as 6T compared to the 12400's 12T. There's not some weird version of the 12500 without hyperthreading is there? Given it's always 12T in the other benchmarks, I'm guessing that's a typo! (Also thank you for the brilliant content, it's exactly what I was looking for and you did some really rigorous testing)
It would be interesting to see a i5 12400 vs i5 1260K vs i7 12700/F comparision for gaming, productivity and rendering. I would argue that going for the i7 12700F is better than the i5 12600K+CPU Cooler for anyone that wants someting a bit better than a i5 12400. Getting a CPU cooler for the i7 12700F later on would be beneficial too so you can run the i7 at PL1=PL2 (~180W iirc)
How do you test the fps in csgo? Like, what method if i want to replicate with my setup
Any difference in Quicksync feature and performance?
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For those who would use the iGPU for lets say Intel QSV? Would there be a substantial difference between the 12400 and the 12500?
What I would like to know is, if I use a dedicated GPU, but also have a igpu with drivers installed active in my system, will the igpu help for hardware acceleration so my dgpu doesn't have to spare resources for it? Also can I set up wallpaper engine to use my igpu instead of dgpu?
Thanks Steve
Back to you Steve
I upgraded from FX 6300 to i5 8400 when 8th generation of Intel came out. It gave me high FPS, removed all the stutters and horrible fps drops in games + it was dirt cheap. Right now its struggling to keep high FPS on many CPU intensive games so its probably time to upgrade. Not sure if i should go again with super cheap option (i5-12400) or spend a bit more (i5-12600k) just to be more future proof.
the chart shows 6 threads for the 12500 on the power tests and 12 threads in previous charts, is there a reason for that ?
Gracias por la comparativa, tenia la duda entre estos procesadores, y había visto que las diferencias estaban en la gpu integrada y la velocidad base, lo que me faltaba era esta comparativa y por lo visto no hay una diferencia significativa, con eso ya puedo decidir por cual procesador ir , y mas adelante si es necesario mas rendimiento optar por algo mas avanzado. Saludos.
Hello I have an i5 12500 with RTX 3070ti with 32GB ram and I only play warzone. Do you have any test about this CPU in warzone, because I have bottleneck in 1080p or so. The GPU usage is 60% but in 1440p its fine.
Hi , i5 12th gen 12500T coupled with 2060 super....is that a good combo??. I am not much into the infernal figures.
What is going on with 12th gen lows vs 11th gen lows? Seems like something worth discussing further.
I'm a little disappointed that there wasn't an attempt to find software that uses a feature of the IGP just to show if there is a reason or difference (such as for video editing) or not. *ONLY* focusing on gaming on *any* IGP is pointless. Obviously with nearly identical specs, they're going to perform nearly identically at most tasks. It's the edge-cases that exist, or not, that is the only relevant information. That said, personally, the only reason to specifically care about an IGP in my use is to run the IGP on Linux as the main OS and VGA passthrough a DGPU for Windows gaming in a VM. Something that Intel's 12th gen CPUs should? be able to do well with e cores dedicated for Linux and p cores for Windows.
Fair critique but I don’t think the audience of this channel “Gamers” Nexus will care about this test or difference.. I honestly would skip or not listen to the video if he spoke about a software that I don’t use or know anything about.. I just care about gaming difference and I come here expecting to see that. Maybe that’s why they didn’t include any other testing
iGPU also useful for multiple monitors. Especially if they're mismatching refreshrates. Say yourp Primary is 144hz and your Secondary is 60hz. Put the 60hz on iGPU and your 144hz on your dGPU and watch Twitch while you game with no weird autistic Windows refreshrate issues (primary display feels less like 144 and more like 60 then) OR performance degradation in your game. same GPU with mismatching refreshrates lead to some issues when you have something like Twitch on your lesser display. An issue thats been around for a decade now. It only applies to heavier content like Twitch, youtube is unaffected mostly.
@@fantxa Yet you're watching a review on two CPUs that are nearly identical, but for a couple of useless MHz. So of course they're going to perform identically. So ... what's the point? Oh, right, the point is that their only real difference is the IGP. Which begs many questions like why are you watching this video? What do you hope to learn that isn't blatantly obvious when comparing two nearly identical CPUs? And why did GN even make this video if they're not going to actually go into what edge cases might actually be other than obvious? Their review, this discussion, the whole thing just makes no sense. The one and only differing factor between them is the one and only thing *NOT* evaluated. What is the point of that?
@@justsomeperson5110 I don’t disagree with you.. But this review really helped me solidify the choice to not spend the extra $ for the one with the IGP if I am looking to buy a cpu for gaming purposes only. If GN didn’t make this comparison, specifically for gaming, I woulda said fuck it and spent the extra $ just because I would think it is much better.. so I don’t think it was completely pointless from my perspective.
Something I noticed looking through the various vendor cpu support lists and Intel ark, the 12600 and 12500 are only on the H0 die, meanwhile the 12400 can be C0 or H0, whether this makes any meaningful difference is yet to be seen, but theoretically the H0 die should perform marginally better
lower votages
can review those old white case will it get yellow?
Finally 12400 looks a worth succesor to my 2500k. It might seem funny but I was eyeing 12500 to level my upgrade to whooping 10000 intel points 😎
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...Oh, I see what you did there.
Unless I'm misreading things, there's an error in the first paragraph when you're saying if it's worth buying the i5-12400 over the 12400
Fixed. Thanks.
Hey guys. I actually brought a 12500 just recently. With the plan to upgrade it later... When opening cpu-id or task manager... Both seem to only report the chip running @ 4.09ghz. If I open cpu-id the instant that Windows boots I do see it hit 4.6 for a few seconds then once Windows is fully loaded a few seconds later I'm bk down to 4.09 for the entire up time from what I can tell
Just picked up a 12900k to do some sli 3DMark. Coming after Jayz score first.
Got my shirt today.. WOOT.. Thank you @GN!
Typo at 10:50? (graph shows the 12500 with only 6 threads)
Sir, for i5 12600 processor, which GPU is best. Rtx 2060 super or rtx 3050. For 3ds max.
Thank you
What would YOU choose Steve? For your personal CPU on a new system. Intel? AMD? Mid-range or flagship?
I'd also be interested to see Steve's personal computing needs
Steve says he uses an FX processor (8350 if memory serves) in his home rig. He said he doesn't really want super good hardware at home because, for his use cases, he doesn't NEED any more than what he's got now. Gun to my head, and this is full speculation about someone I have never met nor have any idea about other than stuff he's said in the past on his youtube channel, I'm guessing he would just get something like a 12100F unless he started doing rendering or more intense gaming at home.
Steve/GN already gave his recommendations a few months ago. He recommends Intel 12th gen now over AMD due to lower prices and better performance. Steve uses an old PC in his personal rig because he doesn't have time to play games anymore.
@11:00 supposed to be 12T?
Just scooped up a Asus Z690 mb & 12400 for under $400 at microcenter. I love the value that the 12400 ($169 on sale!!) brings to the CPU market.
why do you need a $230 mobo?
Unless you need the iGPU just get a 12700f and B660 mobo. Extra cores, 4.8-4.9 ish clocks out of the box, and was $315 on B&H/Newegg the last I checked. I almost bought one, but I would have needed a bigger cooler, and bigger power supply. I found out MSI has beta bios for their X370 boards so I am hopeful the 5600x I ordered works. The beta bios is not listed on the main compatibility page, but it is under the download page (the Win 11 ready version supposedly).
but the 12500 is hard to find because its bein distributed mostly as an oem processor
Can we do a non-k overclock comparison on these two?
What about 12600k vs 12700k for primarily music and video production, and a little bit of gaming?
doesnt the 12500 have a more powerful igpu than the 12400? uhd 730 vs 770?
Great timing for this as I'm looking into building my daughter her first PC for school work and Minecraft. Lol
Small typo in the power consumption test? 6 threads?
Got a 12400 coming tomorrow. It was 200 bucks. I only needed the 12100 but it was at 150, and the price difference of 50 dollars seemed worth it. Both would go great with my 3050 but I’m excited to upgrade my 7100 anyways :)
Its 100% worth it to get 2 more cores and 4 threads for 50 dollars. Many games are already utilizing more than 4 cores and that trend is just going to be more and more frequient. Not the mention the fact that you will be free to multitask while playing games without being forced to close literally everything except the game.
Your power consumption chart lists the 12500 as 6P/6T, this is an error, exactly like the 12400 it is 6P/12T.
Are you guys based in US or Canada?
Well, it seems that there will always be the tradeoffs. With Intel 12400/12500 you get the same with every CPUs, L3 Cache size, "game-uncapable" iGPU, PCIE 4.0 for dGPU, etc. With AMD APUs you get the strong iGPU, but, compared to 5600X, halved L3 cache, and only PCIE 3.0 for dGPU.
5600G, not 5600X, isn't it?
PCIE 4.0 for dGPU is kinda pointless tbh
@@SviatoslavDamaschin not in the case of 6500 XT sadly
@@zhila5958 Yeah, that's an exception because it's x4 :/ On a pci-e 3.0 platform it has the bandwidth of pci-e gen 1x16 xDD
@@SviatoslavDamaschin ikr. who in their right mind thought that x4 PCIe 4.0 would be a good idea on a budget GPU?
I know the Pentium is really difficult but there are quite a few people waiting for that review.
As much as I loved your reviews over the years (going back to the website), these benchmarks are getting a bit antiquated. Gamers nowadays live-stream, and game at the same time. A CPU that can't multitask will be put at a disadvantage, and new streamers find this out the hard way when their new (insert low core count CPU) is stressed is such a way. Is it possible to update your benchmarks taking this into account?
A lot of people (not me) say anything 6 core 12 thread from a 3600 onward can stream.
@@mixit2413 Yeah, just showing the difference in fps, between a 4,6,8 etc cores, would help buyers make a better choice. I am not making any sense?
Может кто подсказать, а как этот проц использовать с видеокартой? У него отключена возможность использования дискретки....
The 12500 sounds good for a pure office PC for my dad. I am planning it wothout a dedicated graphics card, since he only uses office programms and watches videos and pictures. Rarely he works on pictures but just holiday editing nothing fancy. And for such a system the "extra" on the 12500 sounds good. Or is it even in this case unnecessary?
U can buy an Optiplex SFF 9XNWD with a i5-12500 for about $700 now. Compact supercomputer! May buy used in 5 years for Distributed Computing
dedicated gpu ?? so is gt710 better than uhd730 ?
Can you overclock integrated graphics?
I would love to see your team custom build a PC. But build everything yourself. From the CPU and motherboard to the GPU and ram
Perhaps the 12500 has potentially higher overclock potential from BCLK due to the higher multiplier?
Slight error in Power Consumption charts - the 12500 is listed at 6P/0E/6T here while the 12400 is 6P/0E/12T...unless HT was really intentionally disabled for the test.
12500 has 6P cores and 6 threads on your power consumption graphs, the rest appear to be correct
So what should i take the best for gaming and performance
Core i5 12400
Or Core i5 12400f
Or Core i5 12500
?????????