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I went from a 2700 to a 5600x and had more than a few people telling me that I *downgraded* because I lost two cores. Hope those people are doing alright.
yep if anything you have the same all core performance as they score basicaly the same in synthetics. But you gain a bunch of single core performance. If you had come from a 3700 there may have been some loss of all core performance but not vs the 2700
Strangely enough the 5600x has a higher all core score than 2700. However 2 extra physical cores are cores that can't be used to partition tasks. As far as I can tell most games and productivity can utilise 6 cores fully now. Which means having the 2 others means your can add new tasks to your scheduler effortlessly.
its only a downgrade if you need the extra cores. like if you're doing virtual machines, you have less cores to assign to an OS. Depends on the use case but for gaming the IPC and clock gains obviously overcome the core differential. dont listen to randoms - always do your own research based on your own use case. Dilligent techtubers like Gamers Nexus and Harbor Unboxed are invaluable in this space.
@@badass6300 that's just not true. MSRPs went up after the 2000 series, but the performance did more so. The 3600 for example was incredible price/perf for gamers during its life time. Zen2 also absolutely redefined what multi-core perf you can get per $. You would have spend multiple thousands of dollars before for the performance you got with say a 16-core part since zen2.
You still paying a glorified low-end 6c for US$300, and longevity is false. You can't use 300 series board with the latest 5th gen CPU/APU NOR the other way around.
Recently upgraded from my 2700x to a 5800x for about 250. Updated BIOS, switched the CPUs and was getting much faster performance right away. The upgrade took 15 minutes. Gotta love the longevity of AM4.
was surprised when window shopping for new motherboard for a 5600-5800 that b450's boards popped up so i looked at my mobo cpu page yesterday and yaay. 2700 is struggling a bit lately but then this was a quick cheap emergency build that i've been using 18 months longer than intended
Not enough people do this sort of thing and it's really appreciated to see how well aging hardware still runs today. It really gives a nice perspective instead of the usual FOMO that comes with not having the latest and greatest. You should consider doing an 8th/9th gen intel revisit since those were around at a similar time.
I've had a 9700KF since launch and the 6900XT I just got still seems to be the bottle neck. Could get faster/ more RAM but at this point better off getting a 1000w PSU to replace my 750w... The new setup draws some crazy power and any amount of overclocking the 6900XT = crashes lol Edit - I also game @1440p with high - ultra settings in Metro: Exodus and get like 130-160+ fps lmfao RT makes it drop to 60s-80s but holy crap... Still faster than my 1060 6Gb and looks amazing! Well worth $670 new...
But what's the point? This video is about upgrading a system. You can't upgrade older Intel systems typically because people try to make a lot of money selling those CPUs or any parts they need, but if you have a MB that takes 9th gen and a 9th gen CPU, you're only upgrade is another 9th gen CPU and that won't get you much so not worth it.
I built an R5 1400 system for my parents way back when it first came out, and I was able to upgrade them to an R5 5600g recently with just a BIOS update. Really happy with the longevity of the AM4 platform. The motherboard is an Asus Prime A320M-K. I was pleasantly surprised to see that it supported the 5000 series.
@@Tagiau As I look on Amazon right now a 6600 is $239. A 5700G is 186.30. Also, I just don't have a need for a graphics card. I don't game, it's mostly productivity and far too much RUclips. I do run a VM and I don't think the extra cores would hurt. But, basically, there's no other real upgrade for me that makes any sense and the 5700G has fallen into my price range. Plus I could pretty easily get another mobo and ram at some point and have an extra computer.
Agreed not only the most honest reviewer but he actually goes in depth.. many times exposes many bad places and practicing and helps people. If you're going to buy something this is the channel to check first and pretty much only. Remember those little tidbits that he does it on his channel when he goes to an event he pays for his own expenses his own flight his own hotel his own everything. So no one has anything on him no special interest and that is the most admirable thing you can't be bought. And the fact that he's even doing live stream sometimes with the overclocking even though not really meant for some of us it's still good to see someone interacting with the people. You got someone who interacts with the people and someone who is for the people. Hope this was said correctly really no other channel besides something for emulation do you really need to go to. Because stats don't lie people do and Steve gives you all the stats.
Recently upgraded my early adopter 1600x and X370 setup with a 5800x and it has been running great! Bios upgrades to support the 5000 series five years after release were super suprising.
I am grateful that you included the 1700 in the 7000 series reviews. That let me see the benchmark difference between the 1700 and the *5800* and drove me to get a 5800 used as a drop in replacement. Totally worth it.
@@EkiToji It's a totally resonable upgrade TBH. It was more that I first got this rig during one of the first BitCoin mining crazes, so I had to make a lot of comprimizes. I wanted its final form to be the best it could be :D
@@EkiToji tbh thats a smarter upgrade than the x3d for most people. The extra cache is only used by certain applications. Some games don't even benefit from it at all. In fact it has a lower power limit and boost clock and cannot be overclocked. In almost every heavily threaed workload it actually performs worse than the 5800x. The extra $70-$100 isn't really worth it unless you regularly use a program that you know will benefit from the cache enough to justify the extra price.
same and makes me think I can still hold out a little longer, maybe OC, wait for prices to drop even more and then go for Zen 3 (5600 or 5800). Want to get as much live and mileage out of my AM4 platfor mas possible before doing a upgrade in 2,3, maybe 4 years when maybe a new am5 cpu generation is out. Then it is the same game: either go for a now last gen Zen 4 or a entry level new generation... at least, that is the plan lol. GPU is an entirely different beast. but would like to stick with team red for now, cause I do not care about ray tracing at all. Still I would love if amd would come up with something comparable to tensor cores, cause cuda is without competition so far.
I went from a R5 2600X to a R5 5600X. As much as I do slightly regret not upgrading to a 5700X or a 5800X3D, I am very happy with the results. AM4 was and still is a great longevity platform and I'm so glad I chose it for my first build. I genuinely expect that several years down the line when a 5800X3D's price goes way down, I will pick one up.
I went from a 1600x when it launched to a 5800x3D still using the same MB. AM4 was a great choice. Now this computer will last me a while before I finally have to upgrade. Hopefully AM5 will be similar for other folks.
@@MrVacicak You are exaggerating massively. Going from Zen2 to Zen3vcache will only get more than 30% extra frames in certain fringe heavily CPU limited games at 1080p. If you had close to double in one of your games it is likely some underlying compatibility problem which suddenly was gone, or it an outlier and at non real world resolutions (for a 3080 anyway). This kind of info gives passing laymen the wrong impression about how to upgrade, you should focus on GPU to get the big fps increases. It is a fine upgrade, but it is small and iterative (think 20% if you game at 1440p, and many games even 1080p will only see small 20%-30% gain).
@@Glen0cide I myself saw around 50% increases across games like path of exile and world of warcraft. I was on the 1600x and 3070 at 1080p. For people who play CPU intensive games such as these and/or use 1080p monitors it's so worth it. Couldn't believe a CPU could make such a difference.
I'm sticking with my $90 1600AF after seeing these benchmarks. I really only care about getting 60fps and nothing beyond that and I'm pretty happy with the video editing performance as well. I really lucked out in mid 2020 with it and my $145 RX 570 8GB, which now runs like an RX 580 after extensive modding(BIOS memory timing tweaks, Noctua fans, undervolting/overclocking).
I really appreciate and enjoy this kind of long-term coverage of older components. It is not just interesting in isolation but I think it is also a valuable reminder that you do not need to purchase every new part during every new release cycle.
Ryzen 5 2600 --> Ryzen 7 5700X is the upgrade I just made. Super happy with it. The 5700X isn't on your benchmarks, but it's $20 - $30 cheaper than a 5800x and more efficient, with almost the same performance. It has a lower TDP and doesn't get as hot as the 5800X, so if you've got a smaller cpu cooler and/or not much headroom in your PSU, it's an excellent option.
A 5700x is just a 5800x with lower power settings because it's not binned as well, it's not more efficient because the numbers are turned down,the numbers are turned down because it's less efficient.
This is exactly what I did. I upgraded my old A series board to a B550 and picked up a 5700x. It’s not the top of the line or anything but it’s leagues better than what I did have and will last me a good while
I upgraded from a 3600 to a 5800x. my hyper 212 evo couldn’t handle it. Only maintained 4.1 all core. Instantly hit 90C. I swapped the 5800x for a 5700x. Much better cpu for my scenario. Runs 10C cooler while clocking higher, 4.4 all core.
Today just upgraded my 1600 to a 5800X, and switched out my Vega 56 for a 6800XT, Can’t wait for the performance boost from these and to rock them for years to come.
@@UniverseGd in terms of gaming, it is basically doing 1440p max settings, 100fps+ 5600X runs at 4.7ghz all core(75-80w of power), the gpu is stock at the moment(its around 200w full load) , I upgraded only two days ago, haven't done much with it, but it is definitely big step up, everything is much snappier to move around and open in windows.
You can catch the 5600 non X on sale for $130 or less sometimes. It's at least as good a bargain as the 1600AF was years ago. Or you can max it out, whatever strategy suits you. I have a 5600 paired with an RX6800 non XT and I'm going to ride it until it drops.
I went from 3600 to 5600X few months back. And I remember I was going through gaming benchmarks. If this was worth the upgrade. And I clearly remember and I was thinking to myself "Man, I wonder if GN will ever make a video like this" now he finally has. This video, from GN will be such a treasure to people looking to upgrade their AM4 processor. And in my case 5600X was well worth the upgrade. Great video as always. 👍
Yea. But it probably is fair to just say 5900x=5600x in games. And 5950x=5800x. But why on earth in production benches you go with a Intel 'Upgrade' if your on a AM4 platform with say a 3000 Ryzen. 5900x has dropped almost to the price of a 7600x. And the core advantage and AM4 platform you already got should really be a alternative instead of getting a new Intel platform... (new mobo, new CPU and just as much of a dead end 'upgrade' compare to just getting a 5900x?)
Went from 1600AF to 5600 last summer. Was very happy with the uplift. Now the 1600AF is paired with an RX 580 in a kids pc. Still working great at 4.2ghz.
You can probably create an amazing NAS if you don't have anything else. I think putting it in a micro pc with a low power GPU and then utilising remote play with your faster system could go well. Its a good setup to replace consoles without needing to use a console.
i built my 2600 computer 2.5 years ago with this specific timeing in mind. i knew eventually the socket would change and id be able to get a very nice upgrade for cheap. the 5600x at 159 was a no brainer for me
I upgraded just a couple of days ago from the "first" Ryzen 5 x600 CPU (the OG 1600) to the last Ryzen 5 x600 (5600). I literally doubled my FPS in CPU bound games and, more importantly, frame times are so much more stable nowadays. Really happy with the upgrade path
Same Here ! I baught a 2600 when the 3000 series was around the corner in a sale for 120 incl. 20% vet ... Now i upgraded to a 5600 for 140 incl 20% vet ... Its crazy value AMD provides us with ... And the 5800x3D is still an option which would be a substatial upgrade ... Two months ago when i baught my 5600 the 3D was still 450-500 here and now its already at 350 ... So i guess next year when the 7000x3d comes out, there might be some good deals to get this upgrade together with a rx 7000, i will be looking forward to a 7800 non x xD , guess that would be a great combo
it's the best bang/buck upgrade, did a similar upgrade to the same CPU. No point paying the big dollars for the 5800x3D unless you have a super high end video card.
I about to do it too my 2600x served me well the past 3 years and it's starting to show its age (frame drops in BF 2042) and the 5600 is only 134$ these days and i'm bying it !
@@youssefakenkar459 i bought mine when it was 150, i should have waited i guess, but i felt like it was going away so better now than never, and seeing the x3d is out of stock now and might never return, not much regret here, the cpu runs cold and quiet and delivers great performance
I went from a 2700 to a 5800X when they were newer. It was totally worth it, I played a lot of MMOs that heavily depended on single core speed and the extra cores were great for running discord calls and RUclips open.
Upgraded from an FX8320 to a 5600G although I did get a GPU. Wasn't sure I would so I hedged with the G CPU. It's a fine system by I wish I had gone 5800x or x3D. Anyway, the biggest thing I learned from this upgrade is that I need a new heater. Because my old FX is no longer keeping my whole room warm by itself. Darn progress!
Uhhh the 8320 is a 125 TDP (~115 watts power consumption) CPU and the 5600G is 65 watts TDP (around 62 watts without the use of the iGPU or 72 watts with it.) So you had less than one (1) 60-watt lightbulb of difference in heat output. Given the fact that you upgraded to a GPU that almost-inevitably draws more power (unless you went from very high-end to low-end) your computer will output *more* heat than before. So, unless you're an ignoramus who thinks "hot CPU = hot room, DERP", your post makes less than no sense.
I didn't expect the 5800X3D to be such an improvement over the 5800X. Usually when a chip has some weird quirk, it's lopsided, but it's never been such a clear improvement to an entire category
I wouldn't get your hopes up just yet. AMDs record with am4 is good but that doesn't mean am5 will be the same. The prices of ryzen 5000 show that they're pushing to have the same positions as intel.
@@lonelyone69 yeah sadly. If AMD were the same as before, they would release AM4+ which would have made 5000 series CPU compatible with new mobos. That could have made budget buyers consider AMD in the lower end with a 5600x or similar with brand new mobos for upgrade path...
@@benjiderrick4590 what would that even achive? AM5 is ddr5 only, biggest thing the system has to manage - amd's memory controllers are moody at the best of times, I don't even want to think of the jank if they had to support two generation of ddr (intel always had a more stable base when it comes to memory controller stability)
AM5 certainly looks to be great for longevity, but to be fair, if your main focus is gaming, a 13th gen chip should do you fine for the next 4-5 years with no real need to upgrade. I recently upgraded from an 8700k, and it pushed my 3080ti far beyond anywhere from 200-400fps at 1080p, depending on the game and pushed 1440p and 4k, pretty much as high as the 3080ti could go. To be honest, I didn't really have any reason to get rid of it. The only reason I did was because I got a decent AM4 board and a 5900x for around $500 brand new on an Amazon Prime Day lightning deal, a massive productivity uplift from the 8700k. If you're into high productivity, then AM5 is probably the route you'd want to take, because being able to massively increase core counts every couple of years is going to be pretty beneficial.
@@aravindpallippara1577 Intel didn't always have better ram support. Core 2 duo era mobos are a nightmare with DDR3. While AMD did have 2 generations of memory support on AM2+.
@@snozbaries7652 I was also confused at the numbers people keep seeing so I just googled the cpu and apparently Adorama is selling them for 330 Edit: just checked again Best Buy does too
only problem is no one has it in stock for that price.. eBay and scalpers want 400$. I was gonna go the X3d way until I saw a 5900x was only 360$... so easy choice plus its actually more powerful all around...
@@queslife5641 adorama and best buy both sold out very quick at the 329.99. same thing with newegg and best buy even AMD had them in stock on their site for the same price for a bit . But if anyone was wanting to upgrade there's a good chance another 329.99 deal pops up
The point at the end with a fresh Windows install is so true! I have so many customers over the years moaning about a slow machine and its nearly always down to just bloat or them still using a HDD instead of an SSD. A clean install can make a whole world of difference and really does not take that long. Just backup your stuff, check its backed up and you have everything, then check again, and again, and again... Then make a backup of that backup. Then reinstall Windows and copy across any documents/photos and reinstall latest drivers and software. TIP: BACKUP TO AN EXTERNAL DRIVE! OR IF YOU HAVE 2 DRIVES FORMAT 1, PUT THE BACKUP STUFF ON IT, THEN PULL THE POWER TO THE DRIVE SO ITS SAFE. THEN INSTALL WINDOWS AND PLUG IT IN AFTER.
Good advice. Disconnect drives while doing a new install. I lost 3 drives and no recovery tool could fix it, except for one. "Testdisk" its open source program and a miracle. I've never had problems leaving drives connected but it all went sideways when I switched to an M.2 for OS drive. It was a nightmare to figure out. So disconnect your drives 🙂
Thank you!, lots of people are in the situation of having a 2000 series and we're all wondering what to do right now. This is a huge help for all of us!
There's a chunk of cruft of unused programs and updaters that you gather over the course of a few years, and a clean reinstall really does make a difference. I helped a roommate use a laptop for another few years with a clean reinstall on his engineering laptop. Much easier than spending hundreds of bucks for a new machine.
this videos is EXACTLY what I've been needing. Been running my 2700x for a few years now, and I've been looking for the best AM4 upgrade possible more recently. Big thanks for making my research step so much easier!
I think it would be beneficial to see results when in 1440p or even 4k. Yes, I understand 1080p shows the true improvements in performance over the years, but what you're not showing is just as important. Is it worth upgrading if i play in 1440p or 4k. The numbers will show whether it's worth the upgrade for what could be only a 5 fps difference in 4k as an example. We know the latest cpus are always going to be faster than previous gen, so showing 1080p doesn't tell us anything more than the obvious. Hypothetical Scenario: I have an amd 2600 and play at 4k with a 3080 ti. Is it worth the upgrade to 5600k? If it only nets me a small fps increase in my 4k gaming. Ive seen other channels do it, but your in- depth analysis and video quality is unmatched. If anyone is wondering.... if you game at 4k, you will see practically no difference in a 3600 and the brand new 7600.
my m8 borrowed me his 5950x mainly to check if rpcs3 performance would be that much better than with my 3600 (mainly crackling audio and frametimes did get better).i did briefly check with some of my SP games in 4k (forza,arkham knight,dark souls 3) and nope,it didn't matter both on 1080ti and 3060. he's got an 3080ti and although i didn't test his rig that extensively i wouldn't bet that there is even a drop of worthy performance even on that level of gpu. so,if you're on 4k and you're playing mostly SP games and you have 6+ haswell/ryzen or better cores you're all set,maybe if you want to invest that hard you can get faster memory but better gpu is always the pit to throw money in.
I'm looking to upgrade from a 2600x this Black Friday, and while I'm actually pretty happy with the performance overall for what I do, I feel like I need to upgrade now while the chips are readily available, if only to prolong the life of my system.
perfect timing, thanks guys! looking into upgrading my brothers 1600 build that he made in 2018 right after making money from his first job. incredible to think that there are in socket options that can continue to use his ram and motherboard, way quicker to drop in a cpu than rebuilding the whole system too! also upgrading my friends xeon x5660 build into probably a 5600x, which seems like a fitting way to reorganize those numbers! thanks for your content yall
I built a low-cost gaming PC to my daughter. Grabed a super cheap used Ryzen 5 2600, a used GTX 1660 Super, a new B450 mobo in great rebate on Newegg. Slamed 16gb 3200mhz ram, a new Kingston 480gb SSD, a used 640gb 7200 rpm HDD i had hanging around to provide more space (she's gonna install some games on the HDD). A used micro-atx case I also had. The price it cost me is hard to beat. That computer is still relevant. She's so happy. I locked the FPS at 60 in Nvidia control panel. It's a single-fan 1660 Super. I saw temps can go quite high, even though I replaced the thermal paste (85celcius). Once it is locked to 60fps max, temps never went above 58c in the games she plays. It's very smooth at 60 fps. That platform will last for at least 5 more years of 1080p gaming. Used Ryzen CPUs will flood the market. Great deals on the horizon. The difficulty will be to find cheap motherboards, because people are staying on AM4.
I like to see the data on these options. Really helps me as a builder. I think the community really appreciates all your hard work and dedication Gamers Nexus.
Thanks Steve! You talked me out of a CPU upgrade. the 1600AF looks like plenty to run the 6700XT in my lounge machine and the 3900X is barely worth an upgrade for the work i do.
Note about the sponsor - Built my most recent rig in the HYTE Y60 white/black, and I absolutely love this case. I am not at all surprised it won GN's Overall COTY award. I've been building PC's since the mid 90's, and this is my #1 favorite case I've built with, by far. Furthermore, I appreciate the entire GN crew for the work you do. Thanks Steve!
Because 5950 customers aren't 1700x customers. Not being snarky, it's just a different audience at more than double the cost of the considered upgrades.
@@WaterZer0 That's great, but you're replacing an $85 processor with a currently $342 processor. You are taking a large leap in performance and price. That's not the norm nor the point of this article. Take me for example. I paid about 200 for a 3600 two years ago. When I replace this, it will probably be replaced with something that cost a little more, due to inflation and growing income, etc. I think that's the normal route for most people.I would typically look in the 250 to three hundred range, so that 5900x would be at the high end of alternatives. In a few months, it will probably drop to around 300 or less, which is when I would consider an upgrade, as I don't have anything that pushes this hard enough. Anything less and it's not enough of a performance gain. I will probably make the jump to 1440 at that point, too, as video cards are getting back to reasonable prices. Work buys me a high end laptop workstation so this is just gaming and Office.
@@johnalt4792 The bigger problem here is the 7 and 8 do the exact same shit currently. I'd rather get a 5800x, but it's the same thing as the 5700x but getting more juice for no reason. I mean a 5700x for $200 or so sounds good, but a 5900x for $300 is 1 to 1 50% more price for 50% more performance*. *in all core applications only So yeah if you just game, 5600 is an easy pick and 5700x is a decent step up for cpu intensive applications. Maybe I'm coping too much, but I don't see myself replacing my entire PC to go to AM5 or Intel; and the 5900x will be way more than enough for most things for a long time.
I'm looking to replace 3400G with 5950X. Went with APU because of the GPU market, which makes me wonder how many more people did something like this: get something "for now" or "better than your old laptop" at inflated prices, then upgrade to something worthwhile when the circumstances get better. I'm thinking of setting up a T1 hypervisor as a hobby, for the sake of it, etc. Eventually, this AM4 system would be retired as a server. But in a way, I'm still not sure if I'll do/want that long-term. Most likely, but if not, a 5800X3D would make way more sense. I still have to think about it. Steve's input would've been helpful here.
I upgraded from 2600 to 5600 which costing me like 40 bucks after selling my 2600, with a free game too, if i can sell it i could basically upgrade nearly for free. It is spectacular, games run a lot smoother than before and it practically cut my handbrake encoding time in half despite having the same number of cores, and i don't have to upgrade the entire platform, unlike what AMD 7000 series do.
You mentioned the 5950X multiple times, but it's absent from most of the charts. For the gaming charts, that's kind of understandable, but I would have liked to see it at least in the production benchmarks.
recently went from 2600 to 5600. Although I added more RAM as another upgrade, the performance difference (alongside a very reasonable increase in power consumption) was really awesome. If I had upgraded to focus on Content creation as well as gaming, IMO the 5800x3d is definitely the peak for sure, sales and such pending of course.
This is the kind of content that is really helpful and I love to see you covering it and I wish other reviewers would put that kind of effort into talking about upgrade paths. An in socket am4 upgrade can make a lot more sense than replacing your entire platform financially and also from an e-waste perspective.
I was an original R5 1600 guy. I went from that to the 2700x, then 8 months ago, to the 5900x. Absolutely worth it, as the cpu was over 100$ off on sale for me. Paired with my 3080ti, I'll be happy for a good few years
Thanks for championing the "you don't HAVE to upgrade" cause. For all the complaints about mining over the past few years, we still had many reviewers pushing single gen upgrades (via their affiliate links of course)
I upgraded my R5 2600 to a 5600x a few months ago. As an added bonus, the 5600x allows me to run my Adata XPG D60G memory at the rated XMP profile, rock solid! (I was getting 3-4 BSODs a day with XMP before the upgrade...hence I decided to just run stock memory speeds). I got a visible bump performance even just for browsing / office / general PC use. Very impressive and I can see me holding on to this PC for a good 3-4 years.
I feel like the 5800x3D is holding its price due to it stacking up extremely well with 7000 series and 13th gen in gaming. It's been sitting around 400 new for a while now despite the new gens being released.
That and the RAM question. If you got a ryzen 1000 or 2000 cpu, you likely have 'only' 3200 DDR4 ram or slower. Especialy if you got for a high end 5000series, you will be bottlenecked by RAM speeds then in a lot of cases. But the x3d basically stops gaining measurable performance increases for most things once you reach 3200 Mhz, and still barely takes a hit at 3000. One of the reasons I went with the x3d. Could have gotten a 5950 for 10 euros less, they sat less than 20 cm away from each other on the store shelf. But i would habe to repalce my ram to really use that extra raw CPU power. And while RAM isn't to expensive, replacing 32gigs of ram would still run me into triple digits in price.
Honestly, that suggests the bigger cache designs might be a more common thing in future generations - the fact it's stacking up so well in benchmarks and the fact that people are noticing enough to keep it in high demand despite being a generation behind should be a sign to AMD saying "yes, keep experimenting with this kind of thing"
@@rashkavar Hence why AMD basically confirmed in the intital launch anouncements for the 7000 series that first half of next year we'll see 7000x3d's. Funnily enought the x3d should even be well able to handle the heat and hight this iteration, since the current IHS on the 7000series is to overthick to make it compatible to old coolers anyways.
I waited until AM5 performance was out and decided to not build a new machine but simply upgrade my 1600x with the 5800x3D (and get faster/bigger RAM). I assumed everyone else saw the same graphs I did and wanted to get that CPU before it was out of stock or skyrocketed in price. I feel like even if the 7000 series x3D comes out next year and crushes it, I couldn't beat the price to performance from not buying a completely new machine.
I got a 5600x today on sale , upgrading from an overclocked r5 2600...what awesome CPU it is. Actually quite the performance boost in games that I didn't expect. On top of that I get better temps and the auto OC , voltage regulation out of the box is quite impressive. No more need to do a manual overclock unless for fun. :D Another big positive is that it was basically Plug&Play. Downloaded and installed newest Bios ( was using a 3 year old Bios lol ), swapped CPU, and it started as usual. Just had to change some Bios settings and get the Ram back up to speed. Lovely.
Well done guys. This is exactly the content I am looking for. I built a beginner rig for my son and I've been debating spending money on a new mobo and CPU, or just dropping in a new CPU...so this is so timely and REALLY helpful. Thank you!!!!
Now is a great time for budget building. There's a lot of great deals on good parts. Especially if you are just getting into pc gaming. Thanks for the breakdown. I'm hoping to upgrade to the 5800x3d soon!
Went from a 2600 to a 5600 about 2 months ago when the 5600 was on sale. The 2600 was a great CPU but I decided to utilise the upgrade path of AM4 having bought an X470 board originally. The 5600 is great too, and having seen the 7600x and the cost of the AM5 platform that was not a current option. I am sure by the time I upgrade again computers will be implanted into our brains! Also as a side note I would not have upgraded to Zen 2 as the 3000 models for some reason have a higher failure rate.
Currently considering this upgrade path myself. Currently rocking the 2600 and can get the 5600 for 150€. Don't actually need it as I currently hit 60fps on 1440p in Uncharted 4 (85fps with FSR2.0). So having a hard time to justify it.
This is perfect for me, thanks! I think I can hold with my 2600 easily until I decide what gpu I will get after rtx 4060/4070 and 7700 XT is launched and maybe upgrade at that point (or hold for the next cpu gen) for ddr5 ram now that is cheaper.
Many years ago someone at a computer junkyard told me to always buy parts that where one step below what was latest, greatest. Being the prudent person I was I totally disregarded this and bought the best I could! That was 2012, from NCIX of all places! Best thing I ever did! Cost me $3000.00 at the time but was worth ever penny. That machine is what I am using right now to post this comment. Starting with a Lian Li PC-9F case with 3 delta fans (2 intake and 1 exhaust) on a Lian Li fan controller. A modular corsair 850W platinum PSU Gigabyte P67A-UD4-B3 Ultra Durable motherboard with an Intel i7-2700K quad core CPU. Right from day one this processor was over volted and over clocked to 4.2 GHz (stock 3.5 GHz) and still is to this day! This machine is on 24/7 and is only shut off for cleaning and testing and I've got the power bills to prove it. The memory is 4 sticks of Mushkin Redline 999969 DDR-2 with 4 Gb each. I started at 1.500 volts for the first few years but started to have memory issues so naturally the solution was 'MORE POWER'! Jump the voltage to 1.770 and has been fine ever since. Now the heat got to the spreaders and the thermal adhesive let go so I removed the spreaders and reattached them with super glue! Still working to this day. The heat from this setup has 'Blued' all the metal covers on the power section of the motherboard but it is after all "ULTRA DURABLE" (the deltas' help alot). Surprisingly the weakest part of the whole system has been the graphics. I started with a GTX 580 which was a great card but fried after 4 years of hard gaming and overclocking. This was really disappointing to me so now I run a GTX 1660 ti at stock settings (can't have everything right). Storage has been an issue in this system since the start. A 2 Tb Seagate Barracuda was first but that died and I lost a lot of data (family pictures and videos) but I now run a 2 Tb WD Black along side another 2 Tb Seagate barracuda (always loved Seagate). Main drive is 1 Tb Adata S600 with a 256 Gb WD 860Pro as the second drive. I always use a UPS to filter out the voltage spikes that I get from the "dirty" local power grid. I think this is one of the best things any computer enthusiast should have. This machine is no slouch as I play RDR 2 all the time and get a decent 30FPS with 'max' settings. This rig proves that you don't need the "Latest Greatest" to enjoy our hobby. I've used many different OS'es during the life of this machine, from winblows XP to winblows 10 and many different distros of Linux (currently Manjaro}. I even had a 'Hackintosh' setup for a while on a triple boot! (what a nightmare!) I have a AMD 2700X in a box waiting for me to play with that I got from my son after he upgraded his current rig. Maybe a Gigabyte 570 'Master' board with some good memory. idk. Quality products are hard to find now a days! Just remember old equipment is just as good as the new stuff and maybe sometimes even better. This comment is way to long so....I digress.
I would consider going all the way to 5800x3d as a final upgrade for your platform (make sure update amd chipset driver first then bios then install cpu)
The entire point if cpu benchmarks is to see the cpu capability. If the cpu can get 400fps in a game, and a gpu can get 300 fps in a game, you can guess you are going to get around 300 fps. What if they dont test the same resolution for the cpu? Well cpu's are not that effected by resolution, more so render distance and FOV. So if you can get 400fps on a cpu at 1080p, it could hit around 400fps on 4k if you somehow had a gpu powerful enough. Testing with a 3070 would add a bottleneck and the info would only be useful to anyone with a 3070 or under. Using the best gpu on the other hand means ANYONE can extrapolate data to guess if said processor is good enough or not.
Recently ordered a 5800x3d to upgrade my 2600x, very excited to get it. My 2600x served well for 4 years, the 58x3d should do for another 4 (will probably go straight to AM6 at that point).
Intel may be the fastest, but AMD has always been fair price wise. To see them doing so well with Ryzen and now with Radeon makes me super happy. Nice to see some actual competition going on. Still have my old Ryzen 5 2600 packed away, ran it a long time before I was able to upgrade. I think my R7 5700X will do for me, for a long time to come.
I have an intel office PC with i3 10100 and the snappy ipc is great. AMD sells brute power for less and is okay if not fantastic for web browsing but I game on it.
I've been considering to upgrade my 3700X, but to be honest right now my main bottleneck is the GPU. My RX580 is really showing its age now. My problem is that both AMD and Nvidia presented only the high-end of their new lineups, for mid-range GPUs you would have to go to the previous gen, which had horrible price/performance ratio.
Ive got a 3800x / 5700xt... eventually wanting to move to a 5800x3d and 6000 or 7000 series.... but yeah Id be looking to upgrade that gpu long before the cpu. Even a used vega 56 would be a solid jump. In my old pc I went from a r9 390 to a rx590, saw almost nothing improved, then jumped to a vega 56 and saw 30%ish gains. They are cheaper now if you dont want a 6000 series card. Obviously would have to find a decent deal on used. The Sapphire pulse version has treated me well.
At its current pricing the R5 5600(X) will be a very popular drop-in option, however, most Zen+ systems are running with 2666 MHz RAM while the Zen3 "sweet spot" is something like 3200 MHz CL16, so a memory upgrade should be taken into consideration as well.
It's 3600 with a 1:1 Infinity Fabric clock ratio that is ideal. The performance difference is noticeable on benchmarks, but it is definitely not drastic enough to be felt in practical terms. A few FPS at most if you're a gamer. If the object is to get most bang for least buck, then a RAM replacement isn't even all that important, much less anywhere close to critical.
most zen+ systems run DDR4 3200 actually, because everyone was pointing out the importance of faster RAM back when these CPUs came out. My 2700x has absolutely no problems running DDR4 3200 CL14. The sweet spot on Zen3 would be 3600 CL16 or CL18.
Would be cool if you could do a 1080 ti since that's most likely the GPU most people on a 2000-series will be using to see how much the 5600 scales with a card twice as bad as a 3090 ti
My buddy and I grabbed the 1600 AF for $85 thanks to your post! We have enjoyed them for years and did not scalp them! Mine is currently Folding @ Home :)
I play a lot of FFXIV, went from an R5 2600X to a 5800X3D, I play at 1440p. I went from 35-45 FPS in Sharlyan, Radz-at-Han, and Limsa to 50-80 FPS after upgrading. That's a pretty massive upgrade - I'm now also 144fps + in duties/raids/in the world. Snagged it for $329, very happy with the purchase.
Yep, good video. I'm running R7 3700X and considering an upgrade to a 5800X or sth along those lines. AM5 (or Intel) would require a whole new platform/build so yeah... expensive and tricky. A simple AM4 upgrade would be nice, moar power. But my 3700X is no slouch, it's still good. Mainly looking for a new GPU to replace my 1080.
I reckon it would make more sense to upgrade to 5900x. I did it myself this week. This way you could really feel the performance boost and pricing is alright. It costs me the same exact money I spent on 3700x in the beginning of 2021.
You could even sidegrade at virtually no cost. The Ryzen 5 5600 will give you 20% more performances in all scenarios exception made of a 100% CPU usage. You sell the 3700x, get the 5600 and everything will feel snappier. The 5800x is awesome. I have it. Put a good cooler with that. A double-tower air cooler or an AIO.
idk brother but i upgraded to 2080ti witih same cpu and im hella bottlenecked in a couple games (edit: but you could look at bottleneck calculator and find a GPU with the lowest bottleneck)
Well my 3600 barely manages not to constrain my 3070 at 1080p. So the 2600 should pair fine with a 6600XT/2070 super/3060. Although none of these are a significant upgrade over the 1660Ti. I'd recommend getting a 5600 first before upgrading to something like a 6700xt / 3060ti or higher.
Just upgraded my r7 1700 to a 5600x, super happy with it! Nice to see these benchmarks, and with the b350 boards getting zen 3, I'm very happy with my choice to move to Ryzen in 2017.
Same, AMD really locked in a userbase just based on platform longevity, support and great price/perf. Many doubters in 2017 said it was a horrible decision but that thought aged poorly!
nice. and yea -30 all core pbo tuner 2 helps the 5800x3d alot. It seems almost every 5800x3d ive heard of or helped with can do the full -30 pbo curve It may have to do with the very minimal single core bost and lower all core. Or they are just binned higher then other 5000 chips.
Not that it matters much tho. The cache design and the fact that the CCD is quite small makes it hard to cool, down (SRAM chip isn't a good heat transfer medium and the area is also very small, yet hot). Without any performance drop, the best way is, if you're on AIO is to get an offset bracket so you can get the cold plate optimally positioned. Managed to get an average drop of 3-5ºC that way tho. Not much. The point is, don't worry if it goes up to 80-90 degrees. Have an h115i and depending on the LLC settings, it can go from 70 to 85 degrees under a 4k gaming load, so try to tune up the LLC on the bios.
@@GrimpakTheMook with -30 all cores Mine hits 79c in cb23 max after the full run. pbo tuner 2 helps a ton with temps and even gains some performance on all core load situations and this is on a noctua u12a so not even as good as your cooler
@@GrimpakTheMook llc will just give you a minor change. As it's just adjusting the load line calibration and allowing voltage to drop underload. Pbo tuner will let you statically drop the load voltage when set to -30 on all cores. It can't be done on the bios for the x3d but their is a program in windows for it . If your hitting 70c in games with your aio what temps do you hit max after a full cb23 run?
Just upgraded to a 5800X3D from a 2700X as a drop in upgrade when the AMD made the 5000 series go on sale. So glad I went with AM4 and still have upgrades all these years later.
Something I've found worth trying before even resorting to a clean Windows install: create a new user on the machine. Swap to that, disable all the garbage you don't feel like you need, and try it out. I do it more often with browser profiles. They get cluttered with crap that slows them down.
My 1600x was over 5 years old... several months ago I jumped to a 5600x with only an MSI x370 bios update and less than $200. Excellent performance boost across the board. At the time, the 5800x3d was over $400 iirc, and I just couldn't justify it. Kudos to AMD by continuing the support. Intel would really have to do something amazing to make me leave the AMD camp.
Awesome video, gives a great overview of all build ranges, my 8600K is still going strong but due an upgrade. Videos like this help give both me and other consumers a great tool for deciding what options we have.
I've recently taken the plunge on a cheap upgrade from my stalwart Ryzen 5 1600x, up to a Ryzen 5 5500. For the motherboard, graphics, RAM, etc that I have (and rising electricity costs) it was a no brainer for $110. My 1600x is a golden chip, it overclocks to 4.1ghz on all cores at 1.37v and draws up to around 125w fully loaded. It's snappy, stable, strong enough to max out the GPU to 100% in the games I play, but the sad fact is that it's getting expensive to run for what it is. At my current usage I'll have paid off the cost of the new CPU in six months with reduced power draw
I went from 2700 & 1660 Ti to 5600 & 6700XT. Just new CPU and a used GPU (from mining rig). This was about $400 upgrade for me and now I play everything on Ultra.
Can confirm a clean windows install does wonders for how fast the system feels. Also some tips for anyone looking for more performance: - If you have an Nvidia GPU with GeForce Experience, then the shortcut alt+r opens the performance overlay (also in games). Check your CPU and GPU usage to see which one is the limiting factor before blindly buying an upgrade. The AMD backup is running Taskmanager on a seconds screen or in the background with updates set to slow, simply alt+tab in-game and check temperatures and the performance graphs to get an idea where you're limited. - windows gets really slow when there's too many files on the system. So to combat this, store documents and music on an external drive and disconnect it before a gaming session. - you can tell windows to move your downloads, music, documents and image folders to another drive. For example put those folders on an HDD and keep the fast (NVME) SSD with windows on it available for that game you play daily. - when installing drivers you often get to choose a folder, usually an unpack folder which is then left there on your system after installing. There is no disadvantage other than time to selecting an HDD or external drive where it doesn't take up SSD space for games. - I never use the windows hybernate feature, nor their quick boot. Disabling it causes the system too boot slower, but saves about your system's ram size in terms of disk space... That's up to around half the space required for a modern AAA game like Cyberpunk if you're running 32GB of memory. Even with 16Gb of memory that's still up to almost a third of the Darktide installation size.
I upgraded from my 2600 to a 5600j when I found a 5600 for $130, I noticed a pretty significant jump in some games. I had been mulling over it for a while now, and just jumped on it due to the deal I caught. Definitely a great CPU if you're on an AM4 platform. I don't game above 1440p, so paired with a 5700 XT I have a pretty capable machine now that'll be good for years to come.
If you don't need PCIe gen 4, the 5600g looks like a really good option. I'm looking at upgrading from a 1600x given the drop in option. Especially because I need to reinstall the OS anyways after a bad upgrade.
Some reason I kept thinking I got the year wrong in the title. Hard to believe that Ryzen 2000 is about 4 years old now!
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under 300 dollar best graphics card to pair with 5600x for 1080p gaming??
@@abirsaha3498, You can get a 6650xt in that price range.
Wow...this explaisn why I ahd such a MASSIVE noticeable improvement when goign from 2600 to 5600x
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What was the memory configuration on the 2000 series cpus tested in this video?
I went from a 2700 to a 5600x and had more than a few people telling me that I *downgraded* because I lost two cores. Hope those people are doing alright.
yep if anything you have the same all core performance as they score basicaly the same in synthetics. But you gain a bunch of single core performance. If you had come from a 3700 there may have been some loss of all core performance but not vs the 2700
Strangely enough the 5600x has a higher all core score than 2700. However 2 extra physical cores are cores that can't be used to partition tasks. As far as I can tell most games and productivity can utilise 6 cores fully now. Which means having the 2 others means your can add new tasks to your scheduler effortlessly.
its only a downgrade if you need the extra cores. like if you're doing virtual machines, you have less cores to assign to an OS.
Depends on the use case but for gaming the IPC and clock gains obviously overcome the core differential.
dont listen to randoms - always do your own research based on your own use case. Dilligent techtubers like Gamers Nexus and Harbor Unboxed are invaluable in this space.
@@Demon09-_- even the 3700X is roughly same multi core performance than the 5600X
@@warlordwossman5722 that's why I said some the 3700x is slightly higher multi core. But for gaming the 5600x would still blow it away
AM4 is truly wonderful. Here’s hoping to AM5 equaling the longevity and price/performance.
Even AM4 didn't improve price/performance after zen+(Ryzen 2000) at MSRP.
AM5 boards are going to get cheaper
@@badass6300 that's just not true. MSRPs went up after the 2000 series, but the performance did more so. The 3600 for example was incredible price/perf for gamers during its life time. Zen2 also absolutely redefined what multi-core perf you can get per $. You would have spend multiple thousands of dollars before for the performance you got with say a 16-core part since zen2.
@@Hugh_I this man speaks the gospel
You still paying a glorified low-end 6c for US$300, and longevity is false. You can't use 300 series board with the latest 5th gen CPU/APU NOR the other way around.
Recently upgraded from my 2700x to a 5800x for about 250. Updated BIOS, switched the CPUs and was getting much faster performance right away. The upgrade took 15 minutes. Gotta love the longevity of AM4.
was surprised when window shopping for new motherboard for a 5600-5800 that b450's boards popped up so i looked at my mobo cpu page yesterday and yaay. 2700 is struggling a bit lately but then this was a quick cheap emergency build that i've been using 18 months longer than intended
Same! I was please my non-MAX MSI X470 Gaming Plus supported it.
Upgrading from a 1700 to a 5600. But I am looking forward to a new build and move into AM5 when prices settle, hopefully with the launch of zen5.
Did the same, but with the 5700x instead.
I just did the exact same thing. 2700x->5800x. Microcenter has them for $199 usd. Dollars per performance, the best upgrade I've ever done!
Not enough people do this sort of thing and it's really appreciated to see how well aging hardware still runs today. It really gives a nice perspective instead of the usual FOMO that comes with not having the latest and greatest.
You should consider doing an 8th/9th gen intel revisit since those were around at a similar time.
Hmm, comparing the i7 7700K to the R7 1700X would be interesting.
I've had a 9700KF since launch and the 6900XT I just got still seems to be the bottle neck. Could get faster/ more RAM but at this point better off getting a 1000w PSU to replace my 750w... The new setup draws some crazy power and any amount of overclocking the 6900XT = crashes lol
Edit - I also game @1440p with high - ultra settings in Metro: Exodus and get like 130-160+ fps lmfao RT makes it drop to 60s-80s but holy crap... Still faster than my 1060 6Gb and looks amazing! Well worth $670 new...
But what's the point? This video is about upgrading a system. You can't upgrade older Intel systems typically because people try to make a lot of money selling those CPUs or any parts they need, but if you have a MB that takes 9th gen and a 9th gen CPU, you're only upgrade is another 9th gen CPU and that won't get you much so not worth it.
@@johndoh5182 shut up, John. Thank you.
@@Bry.89 nah
I built an R5 1400 system for my parents way back when it first came out, and I was able to upgrade them to an R5 5600g recently with just a BIOS update. Really happy with the longevity of the AM4 platform.
The motherboard is an Asus Prime A320M-K. I was pleasantly surprised to see that it supported the 5000 series.
Wow! Totally forgot about the R5 1400. That's a great upgrade path, though!
I've got a 5600G and am pretty much a non-gamer at this point in life. I'm toying with the 5700G because it's been plummeting in price.
@@dizzy_derps Why though? The extra cores? I know it's not for graphics power, because you'd be saving money buying a 6600 instead of a 5700g.
Yep! Upgrading one of my r3 1200 to a 5600x, and it's a HUGE increase in performance. Super happy with how AM4 has turned out.
@@Tagiau As I look on Amazon right now a 6600 is $239. A 5700G is 186.30. Also, I just don't have a need for a graphics card. I don't game, it's mostly productivity and far too much RUclips. I do run a VM and I don't think the extra cores would hurt. But, basically, there's no other real upgrade for me that makes any sense and the 5700G has fallen into my price range. Plus I could pretty easily get another mobo and ram at some point and have an extra computer.
Good to see content like this to help people navigate in-platform upgrades. I wonder where we’ll be when there’ll be videos like this about AM5.
Mate gamers nexus is the one
Agreed not only the most honest reviewer but he actually goes in depth.. many times exposes many bad places and practicing and helps people.
If you're going to buy something this is the channel to check first and pretty much only.
Remember those little tidbits that he does it on his channel when he goes to an event he pays for his own expenses his own flight his own hotel his own everything.
So no one has anything on him no special interest and that is the most admirable thing you can't be bought.
And the fact that he's even doing live stream sometimes with the overclocking even though not really meant for some of us it's still good to see someone interacting with the people.
You got someone who interacts with the people and someone who is for the people.
Hope this was said correctly really no other channel besides something for emulation do you really need to go to.
Because stats don't lie people do and Steve gives you all the stats.
I don't think AM5 will age as well.
Recently upgraded my early adopter 1600x and X370 setup with a 5800x and it has been running great! Bios upgrades to support the 5000 series five years after release were super suprising.
the perks of a high end mobo. My B350 won't allow that, but a 3600x is also quite nice
@@jayhill2193 You better check that. My b350 mobo has had a bios patch since May. Im running a 5700x on it.
@@jayhill2193 even a friend's a320m from Gigabyte got a bios upgrade that supports up to Vermeer CPUs. You should totally check it again.
Wanna sell me your old 1600x??
I am grateful that you included the 1700 in the 7000 series reviews. That let me see the benchmark difference between the 1700 and the *5800* and drove me to get a 5800 used as a drop in replacement.
Totally worth it.
I went from a 1600 to a 5800x3D...AM4 was such an amazing platform.
I thought about doing that due to the savings but figured I was doing just fine with the 1600 for so long that I went to a 5600.
@@EkiToji It's a totally resonable upgrade TBH. It was more that I first got this rig during one of the first BitCoin mining crazes, so I had to make a lot of comprimizes. I wanted its final form to be the best it could be :D
@@EkiToji tbh thats a smarter upgrade than the x3d for most people. The extra cache is only used by certain applications. Some games don't even benefit from it at all. In fact it has a lower power limit and boost clock and cannot be overclocked. In almost every heavily threaed workload it actually performs worse than the 5800x. The extra $70-$100 isn't really worth it unless you regularly use a program that you know will benefit from the cache enough to justify the extra price.
I have a Ryzen 5 2600, I've been waiting for a video like this to see which one should I get as an upgrade. Thank you GN!
Same here thanks GN!
same and makes me think I can still hold out a little longer, maybe OC, wait for prices to drop even more and then go for Zen 3 (5600 or 5800). Want to get as much live and mileage out of my AM4 platfor mas possible before doing a upgrade in 2,3, maybe 4 years when maybe a new am5 cpu generation is out. Then it is the same game: either go for a now last gen Zen 4 or a entry level new generation... at least, that is the plan lol. GPU is an entirely different beast. but would like to stick with team red for now, cause I do not care about ray tracing at all. Still I would love if amd would come up with something comparable to tensor cores, cause cuda is without competition so far.
I went from a R5 2600X to a R5 5600X. As much as I do slightly regret not upgrading to a 5700X or a 5800X3D, I am very happy with the results. AM4 was and still is a great longevity platform and I'm so glad I chose it for my first build. I genuinely expect that several years down the line when a 5800X3D's price goes way down, I will pick one up.
Moved from 3600 to 5800x3d a couple months back and the changes were dramatic in gaming. Great platform and happy I bought into it a few years back.
How dramatic? How big was the difference?
Thinking about doing that too, since I think my VR performance in DCS could greatly improve…
Man I have a 5800x and want the 5800x3d really bad
@@aless7125they’re kinda cheap now
I went from a 1600x when it launched to a 5800x3D still using the same MB. AM4 was a great choice. Now this computer will last me a while before I finally have to upgrade. Hopefully AM5 will be similar for other folks.
I went from 3600 to 5800x3d and my fps doubled in games (rtx3080) its a night and day difference
@@MrVacicak You are exaggerating massively. Going from Zen2 to Zen3vcache will only get more than 30% extra frames in certain fringe heavily CPU limited games at 1080p. If you had close to double in one of your games it is likely some underlying compatibility problem which suddenly was gone, or it an outlier and at non real world resolutions (for a 3080 anyway). This kind of info gives passing laymen the wrong impression about how to upgrade, you should focus on GPU to get the big fps increases. It is a fine upgrade, but it is small and iterative (think 20% if you game at 1440p, and many games even 1080p will only see small 20%-30% gain).
@@Glen0cide lol did you not watch? the difference is more like 75% avg according to the benches.
@@Glen0cide I myself saw around 50% increases across games like path of exile and world of warcraft. I was on the 1600x and 3070 at 1080p. For people who play CPU intensive games such as these and/or use 1080p monitors it's so worth it. Couldn't believe a CPU could make such a difference.
what mb are you using?
I'm sticking with my $90 1600AF after seeing these benchmarks. I really only care about getting 60fps and nothing beyond that and I'm pretty happy with the video editing performance as well. I really lucked out in mid 2020 with it and my $145 RX 570 8GB, which now runs like an RX 580 after extensive modding(BIOS memory timing tweaks, Noctua fans, undervolting/overclocking).
Absolutely true those of us who were able to buy the 1600 AF in 2020 and snag a decent graphics card are truly praising the Lord in today’s market
1600af gang. (On asrock b450m pro4 r2.0 w/ 16gb 3200 cl16 lpx and sapphire rx 480 8gb)
I really appreciate and enjoy this kind of long-term coverage of older components. It is not just interesting in isolation but I think it is also a valuable reminder that you do not need to purchase every new part during every new release cycle.
Ryzen 5 2600 --> Ryzen 7 5700X is the upgrade I just made. Super happy with it. The 5700X isn't on your benchmarks, but it's $20 - $30 cheaper than a 5800x and more efficient, with almost the same performance. It has a lower TDP and doesn't get as hot as the 5800X, so if you've got a smaller cpu cooler and/or not much headroom in your PSU, it's an excellent option.
You should have gone for 5800x3d
@@MrVacicak not everyone has that cash or even needs that power
A 5700x is just a 5800x with lower power settings because it's not binned as well, it's not more efficient because the numbers are turned down,the numbers are turned down because it's less efficient.
This is exactly what I did. I upgraded my old A series board to a B550 and picked up a 5700x. It’s not the top of the line or anything but it’s leagues better than what I did have and will last me a good while
I upgraded from a 3600 to a 5800x. my hyper 212 evo couldn’t handle it. Only maintained 4.1 all core. Instantly hit 90C. I swapped the 5800x for a 5700x. Much better cpu for my scenario. Runs 10C cooler while clocking higher, 4.4 all core.
Today just upgraded my 1600 to a 5800X, and switched out my Vega 56 for a 6800XT, Can’t wait for the performance boost from these and to rock them for years to come.
Congrats bro, that's a nice setup.
I went from 1600af to 5600X and rx570 to rx6700 xt, am4 platform is truly amazing.
@@dagnisnierlins188 Can you please tell me your increases in % (Fps, Power, Productivity)? You've got my current specs before upgrading.
@@UniverseGd in terms of gaming, it is basically doing 1440p max settings, 100fps+
5600X runs at 4.7ghz all core(75-80w of power), the gpu is stock at the moment(its around 200w full load) , I upgraded only two days ago, haven't done much with it, but it is definitely big step up, everything is much snappier to move around and open in windows.
@@dagnisnierlins188 Nice, thanks. I'm still at 1080p so I'd rather save more on GPU like 6600 xt.
I've been contemplating upgrading my 1600AF with a drop-in upgrade - and then this came along! Very insightful, thanks for the work put into this.
You can catch the 5600 non X on sale for $130 or less sometimes. It's at least as good a bargain as the 1600AF was years ago. Or you can max it out, whatever strategy suits you. I have a 5600 paired with an RX6800 non XT and I'm going to ride it until it drops.
I went from 3600 to 5600X few months back. And I remember I was going through gaming benchmarks. If this was worth the upgrade. And I clearly remember and I was thinking to myself "Man, I wonder if GN will ever make a video like this" now he finally has. This video, from GN will be such a treasure to people looking to upgrade their AM4 processor. And in my case 5600X was well worth the upgrade. Great video as always. 👍
still happy? looking at the same upgrade.
Yay old ryzen comparisons in 2022
This is literally the perfect video for me right now dude lol thx buddy
I really wish the 5900 and 5950 were on the charts since you're talking about upgrades within the AM4 socket vs newer sockets.
Yea. But it probably is fair to just say 5900x=5600x in games. And 5950x=5800x. But why on earth in production benches you go with a Intel 'Upgrade' if your on a AM4 platform with say a 3000 Ryzen. 5900x has dropped almost to the price of a 7600x. And the core advantage and AM4 platform you already got should really be a alternative instead of getting a new Intel platform... (new mobo, new CPU and just as much of a dead end 'upgrade' compare to just getting a 5900x?)
For most games the 5800x3d outperforms the 59xx - But if you are actually doing productivity it wins!
Went from 1600AF to 5600 last summer. Was very happy with the uplift. Now the 1600AF is paired with an RX 580 in a kids pc. Still working great at 4.2ghz.
I just upgraded my 1600AF to a 5700X and I love it. Now I’m trying to figure out what I want to build with the 1600AF.
I went from a fx8350 to a 5800x3d
@@nou8257 I had a 2700 in between my fx and 5000 series and the difference was already pretty nice.
You can probably create an amazing NAS if you don't have anything else. I think putting it in a micro pc with a low power GPU and then utilising remote play with your faster system could go well. Its a good setup to replace consoles without needing to use a console.
pfsense router?
i would sell it, because a plan b 6 cores cpu will need a gpu, so would mean a new build for a cpu you don't need anymore
i built my 2600 computer 2.5 years ago with this specific timeing in mind. i knew eventually the socket would change and id be able to get a very nice upgrade for cheap. the 5600x at 159 was a no brainer for me
I upgraded just a couple of days ago from the "first" Ryzen 5 x600 CPU (the OG 1600) to the last Ryzen 5 x600 (5600). I literally doubled my FPS in CPU bound games and, more importantly, frame times are so much more stable nowadays. Really happy with the upgrade path
same, helped in vr a decent bit
2700x to 5800x 3D here. It's an amazing upgrade for AM4. MMOs run so good on the 3D chip
I recently upgraded from a 2600 to a 5600, very happy with am4 and AMD platform support as a whole
Same Here ! I baught a 2600 when the 3000 series was around the corner in a sale for 120 incl. 20% vet ... Now i upgraded to a 5600 for 140 incl 20% vet ... Its crazy value AMD provides us with ... And the 5800x3D is still an option which would be a substatial upgrade ... Two months ago when i baught my 5600 the 3D was still 450-500 here and now its already at 350 ... So i guess next year when the 7000x3d comes out, there might be some good deals to get this upgrade together with a rx 7000, i will be looking forward to a 7800 non x xD , guess that would be a great combo
it's the best bang/buck upgrade, did a similar upgrade to the same CPU. No point paying the big dollars for the 5800x3D unless you have a super high end video card.
I about to do it too my 2600x served me well the past 3 years and it's starting to show its age (frame drops in BF 2042) and the 5600 is only 134$ these days and i'm bying it !
@@youssefakenkar459 i bought mine when it was 150, i should have waited i guess, but i felt like it was going away so better now than never, and seeing the x3d is out of stock now and might never return, not much regret here, the cpu runs cold and quiet and delivers great performance
@@arch1107 Cool ! that's what i m looking for you can overclock it to get extra performance tho
I went from a 2700 to a 5800X when they were newer. It was totally worth it, I played a lot of MMOs that heavily depended on single core speed and the extra cores were great for running discord calls and RUclips open.
Upgraded from an FX8320 to a 5600G although I did get a GPU. Wasn't sure I would so I hedged with the G CPU. It's a fine system by I wish I had gone 5800x or x3D. Anyway, the biggest thing I learned from this upgrade is that I need a new heater. Because my old FX is no longer keeping my whole room warm by itself. Darn progress!
Which Gpu did you get
Uhhh the 8320 is a 125 TDP (~115 watts power consumption) CPU and the 5600G is 65 watts TDP (around 62 watts without the use of the iGPU or 72 watts with it.)
So you had less than one (1) 60-watt lightbulb of difference in heat output.
Given the fact that you upgraded to a GPU that almost-inevitably draws more power (unless you went from very high-end to low-end) your computer will output *more* heat than before.
So, unless you're an ignoramus who thinks "hot CPU = hot room, DERP", your post makes less than no sense.
I didn't expect the 5800X3D to be such an improvement over the 5800X. Usually when a chip has some weird quirk, it's lopsided, but it's never been such a clear improvement to an entire category
it's even crazier, as it clocks slower, it even uses less power
but yeah the cache has some giga effect in many games
This is the main reason why I built a AM5 build instead of 13th gen. Platform longevity is the most important at least for normal users
I wouldn't get your hopes up just yet. AMDs record with am4 is good but that doesn't mean am5 will be the same. The prices of ryzen 5000 show that they're pushing to have the same positions as intel.
@@lonelyone69 yeah sadly. If AMD were the same as before, they would release AM4+ which would have made 5000 series CPU compatible with new mobos. That could have made budget buyers consider AMD in the lower end with a 5600x or similar with brand new mobos for upgrade path...
@@benjiderrick4590 what would that even achive?
AM5 is ddr5 only, biggest thing the system has to manage - amd's memory controllers are moody at the best of times, I don't even want to think of the jank if they had to support two generation of ddr (intel always had a more stable base when it comes to memory controller stability)
AM5 certainly looks to be great for longevity, but to be fair, if your main focus is gaming, a 13th gen chip should do you fine for the next 4-5 years with no real need to upgrade. I recently upgraded from an 8700k, and it pushed my 3080ti far beyond anywhere from 200-400fps at 1080p, depending on the game and pushed 1440p and 4k, pretty much as high as the 3080ti could go. To be honest, I didn't really have any reason to get rid of it. The only reason I did was because I got a decent AM4 board and a 5900x for around $500 brand new on an Amazon Prime Day lightning deal, a massive productivity uplift from the 8700k. If you're into high productivity, then AM5 is probably the route you'd want to take, because being able to massively increase core counts every couple of years is going to be pretty beneficial.
@@aravindpallippara1577 Intel didn't always have better ram support. Core 2 duo era mobos are a nightmare with DDR3. While AMD did have 2 generations of memory support on AM2+.
5800x3d is a pretty crazy drop in upgrade at the 329.99 sales that show up here and there
idk where he came up with that number. it's 400 at the Microcenter near me
@@snozbaries7652 it sure varies on location, vendors and time frame, huh?
@@snozbaries7652 I was also confused at the numbers people keep seeing so I just googled the cpu and apparently Adorama is selling them for 330
Edit: just checked again Best Buy does too
only problem is no one has it in stock for that price.. eBay and scalpers want 400$. I was gonna go the X3d way until I saw a 5900x was only 360$... so easy choice plus its actually more powerful all around...
@@queslife5641 adorama and best buy both sold out very quick at the 329.99. same thing with newegg and best buy even AMD had them in stock on their site for the same price for a bit . But if anyone was wanting to upgrade there's a good chance another 329.99 deal pops up
The point at the end with a fresh Windows install is so true! I have so many customers over the years moaning about a slow machine and its nearly always down to just bloat or them still using a HDD instead of an SSD. A clean install can make a whole world of difference and really does not take that long. Just backup your stuff, check its backed up and you have everything, then check again, and again, and again... Then make a backup of that backup. Then reinstall Windows and copy across any documents/photos and reinstall latest drivers and software. TIP: BACKUP TO AN EXTERNAL DRIVE! OR IF YOU HAVE 2 DRIVES FORMAT 1, PUT THE BACKUP STUFF ON IT, THEN PULL THE POWER TO THE DRIVE SO ITS SAFE. THEN INSTALL WINDOWS AND PLUG IT IN AFTER.
Good advice. Disconnect drives while doing a new install. I lost 3 drives and no recovery tool could fix it, except for one. "Testdisk" its open source program and a miracle.
I've never had problems leaving drives connected but it all went sideways when I switched to an M.2 for OS drive. It was a nightmare to figure out. So disconnect your drives 🙂
Thank you!, lots of people are in the situation of having a 2000 series and we're all wondering what to do right now. This is a huge help for all of us!
Love the message to keep existing systems alive via drop in upgrades or new clean OS installs.
There's a chunk of cruft of unused programs and updaters that you gather over the course of a few years, and a clean reinstall really does make a difference. I helped a roommate use a laptop for another few years with a clean reinstall on his engineering laptop. Much easier than spending hundreds of bucks for a new machine.
Yeah ditch that windows bloatware and install linux. 🙏
My 1600 AF been running undervolted at -150mV since 2019.
5600 giving me almost 100% increase to FPS in some games looks really juicy
this videos is EXACTLY what I've been needing. Been running my 2700x for a few years now, and I've been looking for the best AM4 upgrade possible more recently. Big thanks for making my research step so much easier!
I think it would be beneficial to see results when in 1440p or even 4k. Yes, I understand 1080p shows the true improvements in performance over the years, but what you're not showing is just as important. Is it worth upgrading if i play in 1440p or 4k. The numbers will show whether it's worth the upgrade for what could be only a 5 fps difference in 4k as an example.
We know the latest cpus are always going to be faster than previous gen, so showing 1080p doesn't tell us anything more than the obvious.
Hypothetical Scenario: I have an amd 2600 and play at 4k with a 3080 ti.
Is it worth the upgrade to 5600k? If it only nets me a small fps increase in my 4k gaming.
Ive seen other channels do it, but your in- depth analysis and video quality is unmatched. If anyone is wondering.... if you game at 4k, you will see practically no difference in a 3600 and the brand new 7600.
my m8 borrowed me his 5950x mainly to check if rpcs3 performance would be that much better than with my 3600 (mainly crackling audio and frametimes did get better).i did briefly check with some of my SP games in 4k (forza,arkham knight,dark souls 3) and nope,it didn't matter both on 1080ti and 3060. he's got an 3080ti and although i didn't test his rig that extensively i wouldn't bet that there is even a drop of worthy performance even on that level of gpu. so,if you're on 4k and you're playing mostly SP games and you have 6+ haswell/ryzen or better cores you're all set,maybe if you want to invest that hard you can get faster memory but better gpu is always the pit to throw money in.
I'm looking to upgrade from a 2600x this Black Friday, and while I'm actually pretty happy with the performance overall for what I do, I feel like I need to upgrade now while the chips are readily available, if only to prolong the life of my system.
if you mostly game watch for 5800x3d if you do more then gaming the 5900x is good
perfect timing, thanks guys! looking into upgrading my brothers 1600 build that he made in 2018 right after making money from his first job. incredible to think that there are in socket options that can continue to use his ram and motherboard, way quicker to drop in a cpu than rebuilding the whole system too! also upgrading my friends xeon x5660 build into probably a 5600x, which seems like a fitting way to reorganize those numbers! thanks for your content yall
My first initial build was with a 1600AF and my god was that thing a trooper. Good to see it's still retained its value even all this time later.
I built a low-cost gaming PC to my daughter.
Grabed a super cheap used Ryzen 5 2600, a used GTX 1660 Super, a new B450 mobo in great rebate on Newegg. Slamed 16gb 3200mhz ram, a new Kingston 480gb SSD, a used 640gb 7200 rpm HDD i had hanging around to provide more space (she's gonna install some games on the HDD). A used micro-atx case I also had.
The price it cost me is hard to beat. That computer is still relevant. She's so happy.
I locked the FPS at 60 in Nvidia control panel. It's a single-fan 1660 Super. I saw temps can go quite high, even though I replaced the thermal paste (85celcius). Once it is locked to 60fps max, temps never went above 58c in the games she plays. It's very smooth at 60 fps.
That platform will last for at least 5 more years of 1080p gaming.
Used Ryzen CPUs will flood the market. Great deals on the horizon. The difficulty will be to find cheap motherboards, because people are staying on AM4.
I like to see the data on these options. Really helps me as a builder. I think the community really appreciates all your hard work and dedication Gamers Nexus.
Thanks Steve! You talked me out of a CPU upgrade. the 1600AF looks like plenty to run the 6700XT in my lounge machine and the 3900X is barely worth an upgrade for the work i do.
Note about the sponsor - Built my most recent rig in the HYTE Y60 white/black, and I absolutely love this case. I am not at all surprised it won GN's Overall COTY award. I've been building PC's since the mid 90's, and this is my #1 favorite case I've built with, by far.
Furthermore, I appreciate the entire GN crew for the work you do. Thanks Steve!
I bought a 3600 for $80 last week. Paired it with a B550-F. It's my first experience on AM4 and it's pretty good. Will upgrade to a 5800X3D next year.
@A Z I certainly won't be buying it new. I'll try finding one on eBay or Facebook marketplace.
How did you manage to skip the 5900X/5950X in production benchmarks? They are still hold the efficiency crown and deliver top performance.
Because 5950 customers aren't 1700x customers. Not being snarky, it's just a different audience at more than double the cost of the considered upgrades.
@@johnalt4792 I have a 1700x and am looking to buy a 5900x...
@@WaterZer0 That's great, but you're replacing an $85 processor with a currently $342 processor. You are taking a large leap in performance and price. That's not the norm nor the point of this article. Take me for example. I paid about 200 for a 3600 two years ago. When I replace this, it will probably be replaced with something that cost a little more, due to inflation and growing income, etc. I think that's the normal route for most people.I would typically look in the 250 to three hundred range, so that 5900x would be at the high end of alternatives. In a few months, it will probably drop to around 300 or less, which is when I would consider an upgrade, as I don't have anything that pushes this hard enough. Anything less and it's not enough of a performance gain. I will probably make the jump to 1440 at that point, too, as video cards are getting back to reasonable prices. Work buys me a high end laptop workstation so this is just gaming and Office.
@@johnalt4792 The bigger problem here is the 7 and 8 do the exact same shit currently. I'd rather get a 5800x, but it's the same thing as the 5700x but getting more juice for no reason.
I mean a 5700x for $200 or so sounds good, but a 5900x for $300 is 1 to 1 50% more price for 50% more performance*.
*in all core applications only
So yeah if you just game, 5600 is an easy pick and 5700x is a decent step up for cpu intensive applications.
Maybe I'm coping too much, but I don't see myself replacing my entire PC to go to AM5 or Intel; and the 5900x will be way more than enough for most things for a long time.
I'm looking to replace 3400G with 5950X. Went with APU because of the GPU market, which makes me wonder how many more people did something like this: get something "for now" or "better than your old laptop" at inflated prices, then upgrade to something worthwhile when the circumstances get better.
I'm thinking of setting up a T1 hypervisor as a hobby, for the sake of it, etc. Eventually, this AM4 system would be retired as a server. But in a way, I'm still not sure if I'll do/want that long-term. Most likely, but if not, a 5800X3D would make way more sense. I still have to think about it. Steve's input would've been helpful here.
I upgraded from 2600 to 5600 which costing me like 40 bucks after selling my 2600, with a free game too, if i can sell it i could basically upgrade nearly for free. It is spectacular, games run a lot smoother than before and it practically cut my handbrake encoding time in half despite having the same number of cores, and i don't have to upgrade the entire platform, unlike what AMD 7000 series do.
Had my ryzen 9 pc for 3 years now? Never felt like slowing down. Love it.
You mentioned the 5950X multiple times, but it's absent from most of the charts.
For the gaming charts, that's kind of understandable, but I would have liked to see it at least in the production benchmarks.
recently went from 2600 to 5600. Although I added more RAM as another upgrade, the performance difference (alongside a very reasonable increase in power consumption) was really awesome. If I had upgraded to focus on Content creation as well as gaming, IMO the 5800x3d is definitely the peak for sure, sales and such pending of course.
What was Ur GPU? I have a 2600 with gtx 1070, still wondering if upgrading to a 5600x or non X will really benefit me
This is the kind of content that is really helpful and I love to see you covering it and I wish other reviewers would put that kind of effort into talking about upgrade paths. An in socket am4 upgrade can make a lot more sense than replacing your entire platform financially and also from an e-waste perspective.
Thank you for including the 3700x. Looking at the 5800x because it's $200 for me and actually available unlike the x3d
I was an original R5 1600 guy. I went from that to the 2700x, then 8 months ago, to the 5900x. Absolutely worth it, as the cpu was over 100$ off on sale for me. Paired with my 3080ti, I'll be happy for a good few years
2700x still going strong
Thanks for championing the "you don't HAVE to upgrade" cause. For all the complaints about mining over the past few years, we still had many reviewers pushing single gen upgrades (via their affiliate links of course)
I upgraded my R5 2600 to a 5600x a few months ago. As an added bonus, the 5600x allows me to run my Adata XPG D60G memory at the rated XMP profile, rock solid! (I was getting 3-4 BSODs a day with XMP before the upgrade...hence I decided to just run stock memory speeds). I got a visible bump performance even just for browsing / office / general PC use. Very impressive and I can see me holding on to this PC for a good 3-4 years.
I feel like the 5800x3D is holding its price due to it stacking up extremely well with 7000 series and 13th gen in gaming. It's been sitting around 400 new for a while now despite the new gens being released.
That and the RAM question. If you got a ryzen 1000 or 2000 cpu, you likely have 'only' 3200 DDR4 ram or slower. Especialy if you got for a high end 5000series, you will be bottlenecked by RAM speeds then in a lot of cases. But the x3d basically stops gaining measurable performance increases for most things once you reach 3200 Mhz, and still barely takes a hit at 3000.
One of the reasons I went with the x3d. Could have gotten a 5950 for 10 euros less, they sat less than 20 cm away from each other on the store shelf. But i would habe to repalce my ram to really use that extra raw CPU power. And while RAM isn't to expensive, replacing 32gigs of ram would still run me into triple digits in price.
Honestly, that suggests the bigger cache designs might be a more common thing in future generations - the fact it's stacking up so well in benchmarks and the fact that people are noticing enough to keep it in high demand despite being a generation behind should be a sign to AMD saying "yes, keep experimenting with this kind of thing"
@@rashkavar Hence why AMD basically confirmed in the intital launch anouncements for the 7000 series that first half of next year we'll see 7000x3d's.
Funnily enought the x3d should even be well able to handle the heat and hight this iteration, since the current IHS on the 7000series is to overthick to make it compatible to old coolers anyways.
I waited until AM5 performance was out and decided to not build a new machine but simply upgrade my 1600x with the 5800x3D (and get faster/bigger RAM). I assumed everyone else saw the same graphs I did and wanted to get that CPU before it was out of stock or skyrocketed in price.
I feel like even if the 7000 series x3D comes out next year and crushes it, I couldn't beat the price to performance from not buying a completely new machine.
Biggest take away from all of this to me - the 1600AF remains an great gaming CPU. Too many people get caught up in the upgrade cycle.
I got a 5600x today on sale , upgrading from an overclocked r5 2600...what awesome CPU it is. Actually quite the performance boost in games that I didn't expect.
On top of that I get better temps and the auto OC , voltage regulation out of the box is quite impressive. No more need to do a manual overclock unless for fun. :D
Another big positive is that it was basically Plug&Play. Downloaded and installed newest Bios ( was using a 3 year old Bios lol ), swapped CPU, and it started as usual. Just had to change some Bios settings and get the Ram back up to speed. Lovely.
Well done guys. This is exactly the content I am looking for. I built a beginner rig for my son and I've been debating spending money on a new mobo and CPU, or just dropping in a new CPU...so this is so timely and REALLY helpful. Thank you!!!!
Now is a great time for budget building. There's a lot of great deals on good parts. Especially if you are just getting into pc gaming. Thanks for the breakdown. I'm hoping to upgrade to the 5800x3d soon!
Went from a 2600 to a 5600 about 2 months ago when the 5600 was on sale. The 2600 was a great CPU but I decided to utilise the upgrade path of AM4 having bought an X470 board originally. The 5600 is great too, and having seen the 7600x and the cost of the AM5 platform that was not a current option. I am sure by the time I upgrade again computers will be implanted into our brains! Also as a side note I would not have upgraded to Zen 2 as the 3000 models for some reason have a higher failure rate.
Currently considering this upgrade path myself. Currently rocking the 2600 and can get the 5600 for 150€. Don't actually need it as I currently hit 60fps on 1440p in Uncharted 4 (85fps with FSR2.0). So having a hard time to justify it.
This is perfect for me, thanks! I think I can hold with my 2600 easily until I decide what gpu I will get after rtx 4060/4070 and 7700 XT is launched and maybe upgrade at that point (or hold for the next cpu gen) for ddr5 ram now that is cheaper.
Many years ago someone at a computer junkyard told me to always buy parts that where one step below what was latest, greatest. Being the prudent person I was I totally disregarded this and bought the best I could! That was 2012, from NCIX of all places! Best thing I ever did! Cost me $3000.00 at the time but was worth ever penny. That machine is what I am using right now to post this comment. Starting with a Lian Li PC-9F case with 3 delta fans (2 intake and 1 exhaust) on a Lian Li fan controller. A modular corsair 850W platinum PSU Gigabyte P67A-UD4-B3 Ultra Durable motherboard with an Intel i7-2700K quad core CPU. Right from day one this processor was over volted and over clocked to 4.2 GHz (stock 3.5 GHz) and still is to this day! This machine is on 24/7 and is only shut off for cleaning and testing and I've got the power bills to prove it. The memory is 4 sticks of Mushkin Redline 999969 DDR-2 with 4 Gb each. I started at 1.500 volts for the first few years but started to have memory issues so naturally the solution was 'MORE POWER'! Jump the voltage to 1.770 and has been fine ever since. Now the heat got to the spreaders and the thermal adhesive let go so I removed the spreaders and reattached them with super glue! Still working to this day. The heat from this setup has 'Blued' all the metal covers on the power section of the motherboard but it is after all "ULTRA DURABLE" (the deltas' help alot). Surprisingly the weakest part of the whole system has been the graphics. I started with a GTX 580 which was a great card but fried after 4 years of hard gaming and overclocking. This was really disappointing to me so now I run a GTX 1660 ti at stock settings (can't have everything right). Storage has been an issue in this system since the start. A 2 Tb Seagate Barracuda was first but that died and I lost a lot of data (family pictures and videos) but I now run a 2 Tb WD Black along side another 2 Tb Seagate barracuda (always loved Seagate). Main drive is 1 Tb Adata S600 with a 256 Gb WD 860Pro as the second drive. I always use a UPS to filter out the voltage spikes that I get from the "dirty" local power grid. I think this is one of the best things any computer enthusiast should have. This machine is no slouch as I play RDR 2 all the time and get a decent 30FPS with 'max' settings. This rig proves that you don't need the "Latest Greatest" to enjoy our hobby. I've used many different OS'es during the life of this machine, from winblows XP to winblows 10 and many different distros of Linux (currently Manjaro}. I even had a 'Hackintosh' setup for a while on a triple boot! (what a nightmare!) I have a AMD 2700X in a box waiting for me to play with that I got from my son after he upgraded his current rig. Maybe a Gigabyte 570 'Master' board with some good memory. idk. Quality products are hard to find now a days! Just remember old equipment is just as good as the new stuff and maybe sometimes even better.
This comment is way to long so....I digress.
Still on a 1700x, pretty happy with the performance. But very tempting to upgrade to a 5800x after seeing those blender benchmarks
I would consider going all the way to 5800x3d as a final upgrade for your platform (make sure update amd chipset driver first then bios then install cpu)
Would love to see these results with a more realistic GPU. Something like a 3070 or 6800xt
The entire point if cpu benchmarks is to see the cpu capability. If the cpu can get 400fps in a game, and a gpu can get 300 fps in a game, you can guess you are going to get around 300 fps. What if they dont test the same resolution for the cpu? Well cpu's are not that effected by resolution, more so render distance and FOV. So if you can get 400fps on a cpu at 1080p, it could hit around 400fps on 4k if you somehow had a gpu powerful enough.
Testing with a 3070 would add a bottleneck and the info would only be useful to anyone with a 3070 or under. Using the best gpu on the other hand means ANYONE can extrapolate data to guess if said processor is good enough or not.
'Upgraded' my old i7 2600 to a R5 2600 only last week. Happy with it so far, but yeah, didn't realise the 2000 series was as old as that
Recently ordered a 5800x3d to upgrade my 2600x, very excited to get it. My 2600x served well for 4 years, the 58x3d should do for another 4 (will probably go straight to AM6 at that point).
Intel may be the fastest, but AMD has always been fair price wise. To see them doing so well with Ryzen and now with Radeon makes me super happy. Nice to see some actual competition going on. Still have my old Ryzen 5 2600 packed away, ran it a long time before I was able to upgrade. I think my R7 5700X will do for me, for a long time to come.
I have an intel office PC with i3 10100 and the snappy ipc is great. AMD sells brute power for less and is okay if not fantastic for web browsing but I game on it.
I've been considering to upgrade my 3700X, but to be honest right now my main bottleneck is the GPU. My RX580 is really showing its age now. My problem is that both AMD and Nvidia presented only the high-end of their new lineups, for mid-range GPUs you would have to go to the previous gen, which had horrible price/performance ratio.
Ive got a 3800x / 5700xt... eventually wanting to move to a 5800x3d and 6000 or 7000 series.... but yeah Id be looking to upgrade that gpu long before the cpu. Even a used vega 56 would be a solid jump. In my old pc I went from a r9 390 to a rx590, saw almost nothing improved, then jumped to a vega 56 and saw 30%ish gains. They are cheaper now if you dont want a 6000 series card. Obviously would have to find a decent deal on used. The Sapphire pulse version has treated me well.
I'm not ready to put my 1600AF out to pasture quite yet. It's been the best bargain purchase of any of my gaming PCs.
21:11 - I appreciate the honesty and lack of sensationalism.
At its current pricing the R5 5600(X) will be a very popular drop-in option, however, most Zen+ systems are running with 2666 MHz RAM while the Zen3 "sweet spot" is something like 3200 MHz CL16, so a memory upgrade should be taken into consideration as well.
It's 3600 with a 1:1 Infinity Fabric clock ratio that is ideal. The performance difference is noticeable on benchmarks, but it is definitely not drastic enough to be felt in practical terms. A few FPS at most if you're a gamer. If the object is to get most bang for least buck, then a RAM replacement isn't even all that important, much less anywhere close to critical.
most zen+ systems run DDR4 3200 actually, because everyone was pointing out the importance of faster RAM back when these CPUs came out. My 2700x has absolutely no problems running DDR4 3200 CL14. The sweet spot on Zen3 would be 3600 CL16 or CL18.
@@markokojicic I'd take 3200 CL14 over 3600 CL16 any day. ;)
Would be cool if you could do a 1080 ti since that's most likely the GPU most people on a 2000-series will be using to see how much the 5600 scales with a card twice as bad as a 3090 ti
My buddy and I grabbed the 1600 AF for $85 thanks to your post! We have enjoyed them for years and did not scalp them! Mine is currently Folding @ Home :)
I play a lot of FFXIV, went from an R5 2600X to a 5800X3D, I play at 1440p. I went from 35-45 FPS in Sharlyan, Radz-at-Han, and Limsa to 50-80 FPS after upgrading. That's a pretty massive upgrade - I'm now also 144fps + in duties/raids/in the world. Snagged it for $329, very happy with the purchase.
Yep, good video. I'm running R7 3700X and considering an upgrade to a 5800X or sth along those lines. AM5 (or Intel) would require a whole new platform/build so yeah... expensive and tricky. A simple AM4 upgrade would be nice, moar power. But my 3700X is no slouch, it's still good. Mainly looking for a new GPU to replace my 1080.
I reckon it would make more sense to upgrade to 5900x. I did it myself this week. This way you could really feel the performance boost and pricing is alright. It costs me the same exact money I spent on 3700x in the beginning of 2021.
You could even sidegrade at virtually no cost. The Ryzen 5 5600 will give you 20% more performances in all scenarios exception made of a 100% CPU usage. You sell the 3700x, get the 5600 and everything will feel snappier.
The 5800x is awesome. I have it. Put a good cooler with that. A double-tower air cooler or an AIO.
What's the best gpu upgrade to not be bottlenecked with an r5 2600? Coming from a 1660ti
idk brother but i upgraded to 2080ti witih same cpu and im hella bottlenecked in a couple games (edit: but you could look at bottleneck calculator and find a GPU with the lowest bottleneck)
Well my 3600 barely manages not to constrain my 3070 at 1080p. So the 2600 should pair fine with a 6600XT/2070 super/3060. Although none of these are a significant upgrade over the 1660Ti.
I'd recommend getting a 5600 first before upgrading to something like a 6700xt / 3060ti or higher.
Ryzen 5 5600.
Just upgraded my r7 1700 to a 5600x, super happy with it! Nice to see these benchmarks, and with the b350 boards getting zen 3, I'm very happy with my choice to move to Ryzen in 2017.
Same, AMD really locked in a userbase just based on platform longevity, support and great price/perf. Many doubters in 2017 said it was a horrible decision but that thought aged poorly!
Always love to see these content pieces! Still rocking a 1700x and considering to upgrade! Thanks GN for another one!
Went from a 3700x to a 5800x3d in order to make my PC last longer but am undervolting it for making it cool and quiet
nice. and yea -30 all core pbo tuner 2 helps the 5800x3d alot. It seems almost every 5800x3d ive heard of or helped with can do the full -30 pbo curve It may have to do with the very minimal single core bost and lower all core. Or they are just binned higher then other 5000 chips.
Not that it matters much tho. The cache design and the fact that the CCD is quite small makes it hard to cool, down (SRAM chip isn't a good heat transfer medium and the area is also very small, yet hot). Without any performance drop, the best way is, if you're on AIO is to get an offset bracket so you can get the cold plate optimally positioned. Managed to get an average drop of 3-5ºC that way tho. Not much.
The point is, don't worry if it goes up to 80-90 degrees. Have an h115i and depending on the LLC settings, it can go from 70 to 85 degrees under a 4k gaming load, so try to tune up the LLC on the bios.
@@GrimpakTheMook with -30 all cores Mine hits 79c in cb23 max after the full run. pbo tuner 2 helps a ton with temps and even gains some performance on all core load situations and this is on a noctua u12a so not even as good as your cooler
@@Demon09-_- hmm, try to play with the LLC (load line calibration). Usually it's at auto, but there is a point where it can drop temperatures a bit.
@@GrimpakTheMook llc will just give you a minor change. As it's just adjusting the load line calibration and allowing voltage to drop underload. Pbo tuner will let you statically drop the load voltage when set to -30 on all cores. It can't be done on the bios for the x3d but their is a program in windows for it . If your hitting 70c in games with your aio what temps do you hit max after a full cb23 run?
Did a drop in upgrade about three weeks ago for my wife's pc from a 2700 to 5600. And we are pleased with it.
Just upgraded to a 5800X3D from a 2700X as a drop in upgrade when the AMD made the 5000 series go on sale. So glad I went with AM4 and still have upgrades all these years later.
Something I've found worth trying before even resorting to a clean Windows install: create a new user on the machine. Swap to that, disable all the garbage you don't feel like you need, and try it out. I do it more often with browser profiles. They get cluttered with crap that slows them down.
My 1600x was over 5 years old... several months ago I jumped to a 5600x with only an MSI x370 bios update and less than $200. Excellent performance boost across the board. At the time, the 5800x3d was over $400 iirc, and I just couldn't justify it. Kudos to AMD by continuing the support. Intel would really have to do something amazing to make me leave the AMD camp.
Awesome video, gives a great overview of all build ranges, my 8600K is still going strong but due an upgrade.
Videos like this help give both me and other consumers a great tool for deciding what options we have.
I've recently taken the plunge on a cheap upgrade from my stalwart Ryzen 5 1600x, up to a Ryzen 5 5500.
For the motherboard, graphics, RAM, etc that I have (and rising electricity costs) it was a no brainer for $110.
My 1600x is a golden chip, it overclocks to 4.1ghz on all cores at 1.37v and draws up to around 125w fully loaded. It's snappy, stable, strong enough to max out the GPU to 100% in the games I play, but the sad fact is that it's getting expensive to run for what it is. At my current usage I'll have paid off the cost of the new CPU in six months with reduced power draw
Still rocking the 1600 AF, was able to grab it for $85 back when I bought it. The best value piece of hardware in my entire PC. Was such a nice deal
Love the upgrade support! Thanks guys!
I went from 2700 & 1660 Ti to 5600 & 6700XT. Just new CPU and a used GPU (from mining rig). This was about $400 upgrade for me and now I play everything on Ultra.
Yay! Tech content right before an embargo lift! You guys really work hard!
I like the GN skill bar at the start
Can confirm a clean windows install does wonders for how fast the system feels.
Also some tips for anyone looking for more performance:
- If you have an Nvidia GPU with GeForce Experience, then the shortcut alt+r opens the performance overlay (also in games). Check your CPU and GPU usage to see which one is the limiting factor before blindly buying an upgrade. The AMD backup is running Taskmanager on a seconds screen or in the background with updates set to slow, simply alt+tab in-game and check temperatures and the performance graphs to get an idea where you're limited.
- windows gets really slow when there's too many files on the system. So to combat this, store documents and music on an external drive and disconnect it before a gaming session.
- you can tell windows to move your downloads, music, documents and image folders to another drive. For example put those folders on an HDD and keep the fast (NVME) SSD with windows on it available for that game you play daily.
- when installing drivers you often get to choose a folder, usually an unpack folder which is then left there on your system after installing. There is no disadvantage other than time to selecting an HDD or external drive where it doesn't take up SSD space for games.
- I never use the windows hybernate feature, nor their quick boot. Disabling it causes the system too boot slower, but saves about your system's ram size in terms of disk space... That's up to around half the space required for a modern AAA game like Cyberpunk if you're running 32GB of memory. Even with 16Gb of memory that's still up to almost a third of the Darktide installation size.
I bought a R7 1700 in 2017, upgraded to R9 3900X in 2019 and upgraded again last week to a 5800X3D. Love AM4.
This is helpful and timely. Soon these parts might stop being sold as the 5000 series dies out. AM4 was such a great platform.
I upgraded from my 2600 to a 5600j when I found a 5600 for $130, I noticed a pretty significant jump in some games. I had been mulling over it for a while now, and just jumped on it due to the deal I caught. Definitely a great CPU if you're on an AM4 platform. I don't game above 1440p, so paired with a 5700 XT I have a pretty capable machine now that'll be good for years to come.
If you don't need PCIe gen 4, the 5600g looks like a really good option. I'm looking at upgrading from a 1600x given the drop in option. Especially because I need to reinstall the OS anyways after a bad upgrade.
Just yesterday I went from a 1600AF to a 5600x and from a rx580 to a 6700xt