I mean, that should be pretty obvious. That's why secret shopper type series are incredibly valuable for actually seeing how companies actually treat their paying customers.
Im sorry but if you order this under a fake address and name than jay2cents the build will be different .. id bet even the packaging will be less .. thats what i wanna see .. not hey they sent us this and they put their best game face on 2 market it 2 the world
The rear fan set to intake, even if intentional, still bothers me. Beyond that, running a crap ton of custom cooling and it still hit 83*C is suspect at best. My air cooled workstation doesn't even get that high in the dead of summer when the ambient air temp is hovering around 80*F in my workshop and I'm running multi-hour long computations, renders and simulations at 5ghz.
Nearly $3000 in Origin tax? are there any actual people who would actually burn that much on a soft tube build? This just seems nuts... and this is excluding the fact that Corsair owns Origin and wont be paying market price for half of the parts. Gotta give it to them, they did fix all the fuck ups they had in their last pre-built GN reviewed and the cable management is a piece of art.
Some people just have the money man, I don't but if I was swimming in it like Scrooge McDuck I'd still build my own stuff and would definitely buy this just to check it out.
@@rocortega2064 I have the funds and I still wouldn't because I'm not Jay. Like others have said, your average customer still won't get the detailed checks like he does because he's "reviewing" it. Even after shelling out 6-8k people are still finding issues on these systems. It's ridiculous.
My first pre-built was a Origin. Top end at the time. 3090, 10900k. Fully loaded. Arrived with mismatched fans, backwards power cables. Cable combs un-installed. Etc etc. Never ever again.
They were absolute trash at QA a few years ago. JTC, GN etc all talked about it. They *seem* to have been taking things more seriously lately, but that's already a joke because they've been selling the most expensive prebuilts on the market the whole time and should have been doing actual QA the whole time
Always build your own. You can't trust companies. They will always put some terrible PSU which blows up and takes out the whole system or an el vheopo board which cannot overclock etc
Well if you know so much why would you buy a prebuilt to begin with? Literally the street bumb digging through restaurant trash and complaining about their Chef.
@@_iczyzy well the build quality on the Nexus PC was phenomenal. There was just some software configuration that was done incorrectly, but it was an immaculate hardline water cooling build with an amazing cable management job.
Remember though, this is made for gamers, the same people that believe that their computers need color changing flashing lights for their computers to even operate.
I bought my BLD NZXT pre-built AMD computer on Thanksgiving when the sale 1st launched online for Black Friday in 2019 with extremely high specs for around 2 thousand but I wanted something that would give me the option to upgrade in the future and this is exactly you are talking about sure I paid a little over 2,000 but I've had this computer since 2019 guys that's a lot of value and the only thing I had to upgrade was the GPU from a 2080 super which couldn't even play GTA V to purchasing a Zotac Trinity 4070 TI on Amazon September 1st 2023 and I've been rocking every game since with the prices oversaturated because of scalpers I tell you what I paid I shelled out 876.57 yes expensive for sure but as this card became more popular the prices as of today on Amazon is over a thousand dollars used & new. It will be another 5 yrs if I need to upgrade I love saving money
My wish is all these tech channels, gn included, stop doing all prebuilt reviews. The kinda people who buy these things don’t watch jays or other channels cause they would build their own. So you really just got these guys promoting what is basically just a 3k overcharge scam.
@@frankytanky5076not true a lot of people still don't feel confident to build a PC. but if someone was to spend 7 grand then that person would most likely be the type to build it themselves
I'm saying this before I've watched the video and am going to say at this point, NO, it's not worth it. It might be worth it if it can do things other computers can't, but, if it's Windows 11 then it's just a normal desktop PC.
@@Dexx1s If they would just put some LEDs in the pump/res and used clear cooling you could make the entire build any color you like. Now it's stuck to red.
7000 bucks and no solid chrome tube works. not impressed seriously, compare something of similar price range from 10+ years ago which dubbed as "million dollar pc builds" (not literally, costs under 10k usually)... this is... extremely boring.
@olebrumme6356 X670E Hero Motherboard: $700. 4090 FE: $1600. 9800X3D: $480. 64GB RAM: $300. 2x 4TB SSD: $600. 1200w PSU: $200. Case: $300. That's $5780 before watercooling and I bet there's over $1000 worth of watercooling hardware there too when you factor in the blocks, radiator, pump/reservoir combo, fans, and tubing, and while I was typing this out I heard that it has 96GB RAM as well as probably more storage than I listed. Then they build it with that meticulous cable management and crate it, and they provide post-purchase support. Also you can't get a lot of these parts too easily, specifically the CPU and GPU. All in all, not that bad of a deal for what you're getting, and as I rattled off all these parts I'm surprised there wasn't more markup actually.
you have to account for labor prices, not just parts. custom water cooling takes TIME, cable managing in a way that looks decent takes FOREVER. all of that adds in.
Jay, I understand the need for sponsorships to keep the channel running, but if you're 'revamping everything,' this 25-minute ad doesn't align with that vision. This PC is ridiculously overpriced. It's impressive how GN avoids sponsored prebuilds, operates with more employees, and still pays everyone. I really enjoy your videos, Jay, but let's focus more on the Steam Hardware Survey price range. 7k for a prebuilt PCs is why we build them ourselves-especially for a channel centered around DIY custom water cooling.
32gb ram was the best upgrade ever on my mid tier 2020 or so computer. Being able to have 20 tabs open and still play a game is a godsend, and games in general run better, never hit more than 85% usage or so with a game running.
if its just a basic pc for browsing id suggest 16gb, but if you do any games and dont close EVERYTHING out when youre done, just get the 32gb. ram is cheap these days. honestly thinking i shouldve done 64gb for mine just to not worry about it for a very like time
32GB system ram is definitely beneficial these days, but GPU ram is what I'm always short on. I've got a 4080, and playing the new Indiana Jones game, my system ram is at 17GB, or about half of what's available, while my GPU is maxed out at the full 16GB. That's with Ray Tracing on, but at its low setting, and all other settings at the very highest. Ray tracing just murders GPU ram. So I'm thinking that 32GB GPU ram is where I'd like to be, with 64GB system ram to be comfortable.
Top spec.. well built. This build is for people with more money than time to DIY a crazy build themselves. Your average Joe (myself included) wont buy this but you have to admit it is a near perfect build. Origin is showing off what that they can kick out for a top build; I get it.
I bought my BLD NZXT pre-built AMD computer on Thanksgiving when the sale 1st launched online for Black Friday in 2019 with extremely high specs for around 2 thousand but I wanted something that would give me the option to upgrade in the future and this is exactly you are talking about sure I paid a little over 2,000 but I've had this computer since 2019 guys that's a lot of value and the only thing I had to upgrade was the GPU from a 2080 super which couldn't even play GTA V to purchasing a Zotac Trinity 4070 TI on Amazon September 1st 2023 and I've been rocking every game since with the prices oversaturated because of scalpers I tell you what I paid I shelled out 876.57 yes expensive for sure but as this card became more popular the prices as of today on Amazon is over a thousand dollars used & new. It will be another 5 yrs if I need to upgrade I love saving money
Why does Origin use the CPU as the source for the fan curve rather than liquid temperature? Unless things have changed with ICUE in conjunction with the new LINK system, ICUE doesn't perform any hysteretic work so the fans could be varying wildly if left to follow the CPU temperature. I run custom loop (CPU & GPU with 3 x 360mm rads) with 9 x ML-120 RBG Pro fans off a Commander Pro via a Lampton SP105 PWM powered fan hub. Both of my rigs use a custom fan curve based off liquid temperature. None of that annoying fan ramping up and down all the time. In addition, as I have the liquid temperature using a 10kΩ temperature probe, the Commander Pro has access to it even when ICUE isn't running.
You forget that AMD pushes clocks until it either A) hits the temperature limit or B) hits the voltage limits. I built a custom loop PC with a 7950X and when I did stability testing, about an hour-ish two times with a 20 minute break, it hit 90C both times. It never hits that during normal usage, obviously, but it can if I were to put a massive load on it. Edit: I forgot to mention that I was stress testing the GPU at the same time both times as a worst case scenario
That 8Pin PCIe power connector is not for PCIe power. It’s for the USB C header on the right side of the motherboard to provide PD3.0 60W capabilities…
A very chill 83°C on the CPU, with 720mm worth of radiator cooling. That doesn't make sense to me, there must be something wrong with it. A 9950X would thermal throttle for sure, if it can't keep a 9800X3D in the 60s. I'd like you to take that CPU block off, slap an air cooler and see what happens.
If I had to throw out a guess, it's probably the tiny reservoir that's in there, maybe not enough thermal capacity. Probably should have gone with a bigger one.
I don't think that's the issue. I've seen SFF systems with Barrow CPU blocks with pump that had basically milliliters of water to spare and cooled a CPU without issue. AIO don't have any reservoir and they cool perfectly fine. I think it's either a wrong setting in BIOS or an issue with the block, like poor mounting or the jet plate somehow moved.
@@TommyThousandFaces That's a more likely scenario, yeah. Edit: Still doesn't change the fact that if I spent $7500 on a PC like this and the CPU temps were 83c and I had to diagnose the issue myself, I'd be super pissed.
Thin radiators and the reservoir needs to be higher, the lower that is the more air bubbles will happen, it's a weird build but it's most likely just the Corsair crap. Like Corsair fans have some of the worst air transfer in the business. The 4090 is also insanely hot, so you've got those insanely hot demanding components being cooled by utter shite.
The trick to get great cable managing that tight and clean is you have to start from the motherboard side - your GPU/CPU/MoBo power terminatations, and tighten everything there and work back towards the PSU. I have done it before just because, and took some serious time on my first attempt.
Half of gpu sales are in prebuilts.. this is why nvidia gets away with low vram amounts. Ppl just buy "mid range" or "high end" and then never think about their parts again.
prebuilds also have amd gpu & they have enough vram. 99% of the users wont care about vram. like amd already showed, what does it matter to have 32gb vram when the gpu can only handle 10gb in a game because the bottleneck are the cuda cores or cu. even the 4090 cant use 24gb vram properly & ppl always have the "future" take. in future those cards are too weak to run those next gen games. a 16gb vram amd card that also use more vram compared to nvidia cards still has tons of room left, in the end on both cards u will have 60 fps with stutters & use only 12 out of 16gb vram.
@@Vss077 I'll never understand this defense of low vram gpus..Yes a 4090 can make use of 24gb in games. Indiana Jones at max settings reaches well over 16 gb. And runs amazingly for having path tracing The main reason you do not see games using over 16gb is not because GPUs cannot make use of it, they most certainly can. The reason is because most gpus have such low vram amounts, devs are forced into optimizing the vram and shifting data in and out of the vram buffer constantly in order to get games running smoothly. If devs knew that all gamers would have 16gb or more and over 24gb for high end ultra settings.. the games would both look and run better. Nvidias GPU (and of course consoles) is holding back progress. I want gpus with 32gb and I want devs to use it so we can progress visuals. This is the reality. It only takes a few milliseconds to access all data in a 16gb GPU.. a 4080 can access all 16gb at a rate of 45 times per second. You need but a fraction of that data in order to generate a frame as your fov contains a small portion of the assets. I am an electrical engineer so admittedly I do not know very much about GPU architectures and how games are programmed in practice but it does not take a genius to understand that having and using more vram is a good thing for image quality. All devs say the same things.. if only the average gamer had a lot more vram they would have more artistic freedom and would not need to optimize for vram usage and they can focus on keeping performance consistent instead. 🤷
@@Vss077 This is exactly what I've been trying to tell people for years. It's a cat and mouse game of speed and memory for those that want to game in high settings. Either, VRAM is waiting on GPU clock speed or GPU speed is waiting on VRAM. Sufficient VRAM has been with us for a relatively long time for those that are willing to pay (2080ti, etc.) but slow GPU clock speeds have always held that VRAM back, so it was kind of pointless to add more at the time for gaming purposes. GPU's are faster now, but still not fast enough to utilize 24 or 32 GB of VRAM efficiently in gaming. Might as well get a 16GB card so that memory and and clock speeds are closer to parity.
One thing I dislike about the Corsair RGB's (Other than the iCue software) is if you want them to be red, it's not an option, they look Pink because there is a white film between the light and the RGB
Its not just corsair. I have tforce delta rgb and they cant make white. Its yellow. They cant make blue without looking pink. Only reds and yellows look right for me.
To be honest, I find RGB is wildly different depending on the manufacturer as well. Like, even entering the same hex code will result in the colour looking different between two components, and often it's quite a big difference as well. And yeah, whites have a blue tint on my corsair fans. Glad I don't care about using white because that would really bother me.
I built my own 7800X 3D, 64gb 6400 corsair ram, Asus RTX4090, 4 x 2Tb M.2 Nvme drives, 7 Lian Li infinity uni-fans. Fractal Design Meshify 2 case. 360 AIO, EVGA 1300 watt platinum power supply. Gigabyte X670 Aorus Elite MB. Cost about 6K. I have been building PC's for over 30 years and enjoy the build process. I did not water cool my GPU so add another $450 and the Origin system is not really that expensive. Good review, I might have to go the Origin route on my next PC. But at 64 how many more PC's will I have left in me?
To get wires to look like that you would pull all of them through multiple combs at once and zip between the combs to form the bundle. Then trim to length and install connectors.
Lower noise is one of the benefits of water cooling and why I went overkill with my own, got a 520mm and a 480mm rad with the fans set to a static speed. Whisper quiet with both temps below 60c (gaming).
In my old build I had Corsair sp fans that were full blast all the time and I couldn’t hear it when gaming either.🤷🏻♂️ My headset volume completely washed out any sound my pc made😂😂
Gaming is not that intensive tbh. Went from full custom loop with three rads to all air-cooled and yeah it's a bit louder but totally fine. As long as you know how to tune the fans and don't mind the parts running a bit hotter, the difference in noise is small. Idle is dead silent compared to the pump noise of the custom loop. And when I game I put on headphones... So really my experience became even more silent than the old custom loop.
11:55 that chart would benefit from fluid temperature so much (I get it, it's most likely impossible without modifying the setup), cause that's what determines the temperature of the load-free parts, that is, if fluid is cooler than idle temperature of the device, the device won't heat up from fluid. People probably misjudge how hot the actual fluid is in the loop.
While I don't know for certain, the 13mhz stepping was probably because the crystals that were used for GSM(3G) cellular were 13mhz so they were readily available and therefor cheap.
20:02 - No Jay. They're overpriced by A LOT. Are you maybe a little out of touch at this point? No, seriously. People that have the newest stuff get used to it and forget that the majority of other people don't have the latest and greatest, nor the money to buy it. Just saying.
That cabling is clean. Beautiful work there. Something we did when building wind towers was use a cable as a template with several different color coded lengths which made quick clean lugging for the transformers. Granted there are a lot less high voltage wires in a transformer compared to all the wiring in a PC but they build this same box over and over. They could easily have a wiring harness template since they do so many of them. They could possibly manage/tie the wiring before it even goes in the box. A few changes here and there per order wouldnt hurt their efficiency to bad.
@-Devy- Friend, I think you misunderstood my comment. I meant that it was a masterful way to show why you want crate service. Especially for something this expensive and delicate.
You guys should look into removing the auto translation of your videos title into different languages. I'm french but watch a majority of english content and youtube is absolutely destroying any meaning your titles have when switching it to french. From what I understand, it's not something i can fix on my side as a viewer, and the channel owner has to change some settings on the video to prevent it from happening. Maybe you want it to happen thinking it might draw more views, either way i'm just expressing my opinion, and my opinion is that this google feature sucks. Sorry this comment wasn't related to the video.
I was just watching the GamersNexus video where they are tearing Origin apart. Then I see a recommended video on the side for Jay. Then I see the "Sponsor" logo 😭
Cable management is easy when you can do your own bespoke cables at your specified lengths... cable management challenges are from cables that are either too long, or too short...
I heard Corsair water cooling on their cards ends up not cooling the vram on the back. Just common sense if you try to do everything exhaust your fans will have to pull against negative pressure moving less air. The would need to be entirely made of mesh for that to work.
What’s the problem with that? The goal is to create a positive pressure environment, isn’t it? All the cooling is meant to be done by the 360 radiator anyway
as others have said - positive pressure... although with the other 3 intakes cooling a radiator the closer to neutral the better. Don't forget the PSU will be adding neg pressure too.
If they set those intake fans to stop at low temps, they are creating a dust magnet since the exhaust fans are sill running creating negative pressure. I would never set up a case like that. Intake fans should always be running.
Nah, let Steve buy one without them knowing so they don't spend extra time making sure it's not hot garbage. Sponsored videos don't jive with Steve's style.
You can’t configure icue to use GPU temp while in memory mode. Must have application running to use PC sensors. In memory mode it only allows you to pick from Coolant temp or the fan sensors.
Goes to show you can get differing qualities shipment to shipment. Usually I build my own pcs, but i had bought a Origin a few years ago and it was totally fine.
I just commented on that same thing. They installed it in the wrong direction unless these corsair fans have a reverse fan but I believe not because I have these fans in my rig!
$7000 is crazy. They didn't even put Corsair Dominators in there, you got some Vengeance model ram in there. That's wild af all that money for an open loop and some good cable management. The Asus board, 4090 and 9800x3d maybe come out to about a 1/3rd of that price all together.
@@vamparooo I know to make it all that pretty and neat it would require alot of planning and cutting wires to the correct length and it proven a hassle from time to time as some cables can't be hidden properly. What worries me is radio frequency interferences when all the cables are that close together as how I know when using cheap sata cables that weren't shielded properly causing all sort of weirdness along with data corruption and system lock up randomly.
Learn about PC's then make a stupid comment, rear intake is fine, especially with idiots using AIO's as the airflow is needed over the VRM's and other components. This case doesn't have front intake fans which would normally flow over said VRM's. Because of the 2 radiators which is complete nonsense, that restriction justifies the rear fan to intake and provide the much needed air flow.
@@animalyze7120woah calm down nerd. He said it was an exhaust and it’s not. It’s an intake. That case has 3 front/side intake. You can set your fans up however you want I’m just correcting what he said. Side intake, top exhaust and NORMALLY rears are always exhaust. I’m just correcting what he said.
nice looking build, that cable management is sick, much easier with Icue link. only nit-pick i have is that they could use reversed fans to hide those frames on back of the fans on the side and rear fan
The system looks excellent! I really like the black sleeved tubing, too. I believe the extra 8-pin PCIe power socket under the mobo's 24pin is for PD (power delivery) on the front panel USB ports. It's not supplying any additional power to the GPU, despite being keyed for PCIe power.
I wll never trust Origin to the same levels i did before the shambles. Corsair products themselves are also just bad in my opinion. iCue is a horror movie in its own too.
large protion of what you pay for with a prebuilt water cooled PC is that shipping. The crate, the packing, the freight shipping for all that weight. I'd estimate that 2 grand of that $6800 price tag covers those packing/shipping/handling fees.
It's not really 3k at this point. Have you looked at 4090 prices? They're all running close to $3k on NewEgg right now. 9800x3d is $500 -if you could find one at MSRP - x870E board is gonna run you another $400, the RAM will clock in for another $200, you've got $300 for the SSDs, another $400 for the cooling, etc. It's probably closer to a 1.5k premium. Which yes, that's a lot of money, but if you don't enjoy the building and troubleshooting process, and you're the kind of person that was going to spend $5k+ on a computer anyway, seems perfectly reasonable.
Jay you need to make an evaporative cooling system for fun, there is nothing like building an evaporative rain tube. It makes the sound of rain falling, and its actually using the water droplets surface evaporating as the droplets fall through the air, this phase change is removing heat from the CPU you are overclocking as the remaining water in fluid from is cooler after its surface evaporates slightly. Its so neat, yes its impractical, they need maintenance and almost daily filling and checking, but its very fun and you need this experience. Art tube that cares large artwork rolled up works for the rain tube, and a cheap shower head, and a bucket, and an aquarium submersible pump, its the weirdest form of water cooling and you know you want to try it.
My first whitebox PC (locally built in Oak Ridge, TN) with a 286 CPU, 287 coprocessor, 2.5 MB RAM, EGA graphics, 30 MB hard drive, MS-DOS 3.3 etc. cost $5,500 in 1987 dollars. That is roughly $15,050 in November 2024 dollars. My recent AMD 9900X build with 64 GB of RAM on an Asus motherboard, AIO cooler, 10 GB of NVMe drives, no graphics card (it's a compute box, not a gaming PC) and a low end LG 32" gaming monitor was just under $3,000 in October 2024 dollars.
Those sleeved tubes look so sick, I have that case and am running an AIO and have been thinking about going back to full custom loop. Might end up going that route next time I upgrade my gpu
Last NEW PC I bought OEM was when windows 95 came out, Packard Bell, webcrawler, and Netscape baby. LOL ever since then all my PC's have been built by me.
A single 360 rad for the CPU and GPU?! I had trouble cooling my 5950X and 3090 with two 360 rads. I mean, it was doable, but my fans had to be pretty loud to cool the rads. Now that I have 3 I love it, because the fans can be almost inaudible.
Hi J2C any chance you could start doing a yearly event judging all the possible complete pc builds from people around the world for example here in the UK a PC magazine used to have a Dream PC yearly competition for our PC builders of the various PC parts/components/builders from Scan UK, Overclockers UK, and many others. They all had no limits on what you could fit or have done to cases like custom paint jobs lazer cutting etc? Cheers for the great work mate.
Yeah, Jay, the average consumer doesn't have 6 thousand plus dollars for this PC or, like you, a sponsorship, so you get to review this for free. With that said, excellent review. Keep up the great content. I'll keep my AMD 3900 , 16 gigs of ram my 1 terabyte hard drive & i only had to upgrade my GPU from a 2080 super which couldn't even run GTAV to a 4070TI & my BLD NZXT build from is from 2019 I had to be patient since the prices are so high in 2023 but I finally got a brand new ZOTAC Gaming GeForce 4070 TI Trinity for 876.54 in September 1st 2023 yes expensive but consider this im looking this up on Amazon as I'm writing this & prices are currently over 1 thousand dollars new & used & I can run everything . Example GTAV just name the game and it brings a whole other element the graphics come to life in a surreal way.
here's a counter to the tight wiring and cabling - our company prebuilt from Origin has had all of the sata cables replaced. there's a thing as too tight...these are plastic fitting housings in a heated environment...over time, they will yield to the pressures
My Origin PC was nowhere near as organized cable wise when I got it. I swear they only do it for you.
I mean, that should be pretty obvious. That's why secret shopper type series are incredibly valuable for actually seeing how companies actually treat their paying customers.
Because you give them money while sending it to Jay is a free ad.(which in turn makes money).
I for one would never over pay for stuff like this.
@@pieceofschmidtgamer Gamers Nexus always doing reviews on tech they buy anonymously is the only way someone should do reviews.
Im sorry but if you order this under a fake address and name than jay2cents the build will be different .. id bet even the packaging will be less .. thats what i wanna see .. not hey they sent us this and they put their best game face on 2 market it 2 the world
@@xyrolinx3533 when gamers next is buy some origin the cabling always looks perfect and it’s done anonymous
You also have to recognize that they knew they were sending it to Jay. Of course it will be double and triple checked.
That's a bingo
100%. Corsair is garbage
The rear fan set to intake, even if intentional, still bothers me. Beyond that, running a crap ton of custom cooling and it still hit 83*C is suspect at best. My air cooled workstation doesn't even get that high in the dead of summer when the ambient air temp is hovering around 80*F in my workshop and I'm running multi-hour long computations, renders and simulations at 5ghz.
100%
Where do you live at?@C-M-E
Nearly $3000 in Origin tax? are there any actual people who would actually burn that much on a soft tube build? This just seems nuts... and this is excluding the fact that Corsair owns Origin and wont be paying market price for half of the parts.
Gotta give it to them, they did fix all the fuck ups they had in their last pre-built GN reviewed and the cable management is a piece of art.
Is it actually fixed or is it looked over carefully for Jay specifically?
And they still don't have a T_water sensor...
Corsair is the Aston Martin of the pc world. Good, but over-priced.
In fairness, sleeved soft tubes is a pain in the ass.
@@Drunkenvalley They come pre-sleeved from corsair. It’s the exact same process as regular soft tubes.
Insanely overpriced.
Even on the lowest ripoff tier they overcharge you liek 800-1000. Absolutely crazy how stupid people are
@@frankytanky5076 Taking advantage of young people and their credit.
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Some people just have the money man, I don't but if I was swimming in it like Scrooge McDuck I'd still build my own stuff and would definitely buy this just to check it out.
@@rocortega2064 I have the funds and I still wouldn't because I'm not Jay. Like others have said, your average customer still won't get the detailed checks like he does because he's "reviewing" it. Even after shelling out 6-8k people are still finding issues on these systems. It's ridiculous.
My first pre-built was a Origin. Top end at the time. 3090, 10900k. Fully loaded. Arrived with mismatched fans, backwards power cables. Cable combs un-installed. Etc etc. Never ever again.
"Among the best at cable management" bro, just stop.
They were absolute trash at QA a few years ago. JTC, GN etc all talked about it. They *seem* to have been taking things more seriously lately, but that's already a joke because they've been selling the most expensive prebuilts on the market the whole time and should have been doing actual QA the whole time
Always build your own. You can't trust companies. They will always put some terrible PSU which blows up and takes out the whole system or an el vheopo board which cannot overclock etc
At the time lol... I'm still rocking 3060 ti + i5 10600K 🥲
Well if you know so much why would you buy a prebuilt to begin with? Literally the street bumb digging through restaurant trash and complaining about their Chef.
flashbacks of gamersnexus covering one of these and ripping it a new one
Nice . But rather to build a Gaming PC myself 😅😅😅😅
Thanks Steve
Funny how different a video may be when is sponsored and when they bought it themselves 😅
Gamernexus specializes in farming outrage. Don't blame them, but they make a ton of money by making gamers outraged at something that doesn't matter.
@@_iczyzy well the build quality on the Nexus PC was phenomenal. There was just some software configuration that was done incorrectly, but it was an immaculate hardline water cooling build with an amazing cable management job.
To be honest it a ripoff on the price
Shock horror as ridiculously priced ultra premium spec pc can play games
You'd think, right? A prebuilt working should be a given.
@@artyomsherwin648 it *should* be, but the GN prebuilt reviews have shown that it often is not the case.
ultra premium 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you mean shitty ricer corsair?
But can it run Crysis?
Remember though, this is made for gamers, the same people that believe that their computers need color changing flashing lights for their computers to even operate.
That price is a joke right?
Me watching a 25min ad
100% agree.
Yep origin is just insane thinking that's worth 7000
At least Jay is (mostly) honest about it and even refers to himself as "Jay Shillington." He knows, we know and everyone's here for it.
It is actually a 3 minute 45 second ad, just spread over those 25 minutes.
Trust me jay they don't cable manage or have a stable system like that send to consumers like us.
That is why I like how Gamersnexus do their unknown buyer Pre-PC Builds buyer reviews videos.
I'm honestly a little embarrassed for Jay that he would promote something so ludicriously overpriced.
He’s a sellout
No one is forcing you to buy it, he even counts it as a negative in a sponsored video.
I bought my BLD NZXT pre-built AMD computer on Thanksgiving when the sale 1st launched online for Black Friday in 2019 with extremely high specs for around 2 thousand but I wanted something that would give me the option to upgrade in the future and this is exactly you are talking about sure I paid a little over 2,000 but I've had this computer since 2019 guys that's a lot of value and the only thing I had to upgrade was the GPU from a 2080 super which couldn't even play GTA V to purchasing a Zotac Trinity 4070 TI on Amazon September 1st 2023 and I've been rocking every game since with the prices oversaturated because of scalpers I tell you what I paid I shelled out 876.57 yes expensive for sure but as this card became more popular the prices as of today on Amazon is over a thousand dollars used & new. It will be another 5 yrs if I need to upgrade I love saving money
My wish is all these tech channels, gn included, stop doing all prebuilt reviews. The kinda people who buy these things don’t watch jays or other channels cause they would build their own.
So you really just got these guys promoting what is basically just a 3k overcharge scam.
@@frankytanky5076not true a lot of people still don't feel confident to build a PC. but if someone was to spend 7 grand then that person would most likely be the type to build it themselves
I'm saying this before I've watched the video and am going to say at this point, NO, it's not worth it.
It might be worth it if it can do things other computers can't, but, if it's Windows 11 then it's just a normal desktop PC.
what OS you want and win 11 debloated is great, yeah the Temps suck because there is only 1 360mm Radiator and no optmizatzons
Why bother with the downsides of colored coolant when the only place you see it is the res?
Same should have use distilled water otherwise clear hard tubing would have been sick
To have it match the LEDs. That's the only reason.
@@Dexx1s If they would just put some LEDs in the pump/res and used clear cooling you could make the entire build any color you like. Now it's stuck to red.
@@MeatNinja Yes, but that's still clearly why they did it.
@@Dexx1s You're right
7k is insane. You can get basically the same performance for 3500.
7000 bucks and no solid chrome tube works.
not impressed
seriously, compare something of similar price range from 10+ years ago which dubbed as "million dollar pc builds" (not literally, costs under 10k usually)...
this is... extremely boring.
You're paying $2000 for the shipping crate. Because $5000 is still too much for this PC.
For that kinda money it needs to have 9950x3d and RTX5090.
You can get that setup for like half the price. This is just beyond absurd.
For 2 of them 😂
Fr comments already said it. You could have 2 complete 4k gaming pc's for that price.
@olebrumme6356 X670E Hero Motherboard: $700. 4090 FE: $1600. 9800X3D: $480. 64GB RAM: $300. 2x 4TB SSD: $600. 1200w PSU: $200. Case: $300. That's $5780 before watercooling and I bet there's over $1000 worth of watercooling hardware there too when you factor in the blocks, radiator, pump/reservoir combo, fans, and tubing, and while I was typing this out I heard that it has 96GB RAM as well as probably more storage than I listed. Then they build it with that meticulous cable management and crate it, and they provide post-purchase support. Also you can't get a lot of these parts too easily, specifically the CPU and GPU. All in all, not that bad of a deal for what you're getting, and as I rattled off all these parts I'm surprised there wasn't more markup actually.
Idk about anyone else but if there's dyed coolant going through my system I want to see it.
Yeah, I don't get that
Even if it's clear Coolant I want to see it. I don't get those black sleeved hoses that make it look like an AIO.
If that's worth 7 grand, I need to start myself a new career
My first car cost about 7K.
@@Internet_Hobo and my car is still being sold for 7K by local dealers even after 8 years of inflation.
it's not worth that much by any stretch of the imagination unless the case is some one-of-a-kind handmade Inwin typething
you have to account for labor prices, not just parts. custom water cooling takes TIME, cable managing in a way that looks decent takes FOREVER. all of that adds in.
@@bradhaines3142 people always forget labor costs and more importantly what it really costs to retain said labor.
Jay, I understand the need for sponsorships to keep the channel running, but if you're 'revamping everything,' this 25-minute ad doesn't align with that vision. This PC is ridiculously overpriced. It's impressive how GN avoids sponsored prebuilds, operates with more employees, and still pays everyone. I really enjoy your videos, Jay, but let's focus more on the Steam Hardware Survey price range. 7k for a prebuilt PCs is why we build them ourselves-especially for a channel centered around DIY custom water cooling.
32gb ram was the best upgrade ever on my mid tier 2020 or so computer. Being able to have 20 tabs open and still play a game is a godsend, and games in general run better, never hit more than 85% usage or so with a game running.
so cheap to do that rn
if its just a basic pc for browsing id suggest 16gb, but if you do any games and dont close EVERYTHING out when youre done, just get the 32gb. ram is cheap these days. honestly thinking i shouldve done 64gb for mine just to not worry about it for a very like time
32GB system ram is definitely beneficial these days, but GPU ram is what I'm always short on. I've got a 4080, and playing the new Indiana Jones game, my system ram is at 17GB, or about half of what's available, while my GPU is maxed out at the full 16GB. That's with Ray Tracing on, but at its low setting, and all other settings at the very highest. Ray tracing just murders GPU ram. So I'm thinking that 32GB GPU ram is where I'd like to be, with 64GB system ram to be comfortable.
so what... like a $7000 PC that should be closer to $3500.
Easily hits 4.5k with the 4090 and all the water cooling parts in there
@@MeatNinjaif not a little more tbh
Top spec.. well built. This build is for people with more money than time to DIY a crazy build themselves. Your average Joe (myself included) wont buy this but you have to admit it is a near perfect build. Origin is showing off what that they can kick out for a top build; I get it.
If you build it yourself it'll be around $4.5k so a mark-up of $3k is insanely expensive.
I bought my BLD NZXT pre-built AMD computer on Thanksgiving when the sale 1st launched online for Black Friday in 2019 with extremely high specs for around 2 thousand but I wanted something that would give me the option to upgrade in the future and this is exactly you are talking about sure I paid a little over 2,000 but I've had this computer since 2019 guys that's a lot of value and the only thing I had to upgrade was the GPU from a 2080 super which couldn't even play GTA V to purchasing a Zotac Trinity 4070 TI on Amazon September 1st 2023 and I've been rocking every game since with the prices oversaturated because of scalpers I tell you what I paid I shelled out 876.57 yes expensive for sure but as this card became more popular the prices as of today on Amazon is over a thousand dollars used & new. It will be another 5 yrs if I need to upgrade I love saving money
Why does Origin use the CPU as the source for the fan curve rather than liquid temperature? Unless things have changed with ICUE in conjunction with the new LINK system, ICUE doesn't perform any hysteretic work so the fans could be varying wildly if left to follow the CPU temperature. I run custom loop (CPU & GPU with 3 x 360mm rads) with 9 x ML-120 RBG Pro fans off a Commander Pro via a Lampton SP105 PWM powered fan hub. Both of my rigs use a custom fan curve based off liquid temperature. None of that annoying fan ramping up and down all the time. In addition, as I have the liquid temperature using a 10kΩ temperature probe, the Commander Pro has access to it even when ICUE isn't running.
Then lets remember that the blocks themselves have temp probes built in IIRC, so they're really just being incompetent there.
Imagine running an 8core at full load with custom water cooling and still get 84c. To me thats absolutely insane.
Got rid of my AIO, rocking a Noctua NH-D15 G2, temps don't go above 71 Degree Celsius, and it's summer, it's cooling a 5900X
if I OC my 10900k even a little bit, its instantly 70 C under load
Indeed horrible. My 9800x3d runs at 5400mhz all cores on a 35 usd PS120 cooler at 75c max in a small ass jonsbo z20. Wtf. Sponsored crap
@@ycageLehT mine with a triple rad with 7900x staying cool at 60ish degrees. But I have 6 intake fans as well
You forget that AMD pushes clocks until it either A) hits the temperature limit or B) hits the voltage limits. I built a custom loop PC with a 7950X and when I did stability testing, about an hour-ish two times with a 20 minute break, it hit 90C both times. It never hits that during normal usage, obviously, but it can if I were to put a massive load on it.
Edit: I forgot to mention that I was stress testing the GPU at the same time both times as a worst case scenario
That 8Pin PCIe power connector is not for PCIe power. It’s for the USB C header on the right side of the motherboard to provide PD3.0 60W capabilities…
Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."
Worth half of the asking price at the most is my thoughts.
I would love to see a breakdown of the component prices to see what the build markup is for this one.
A very chill 83°C on the CPU, with 720mm worth of radiator cooling. That doesn't make sense to me, there must be something wrong with it. A 9950X would thermal throttle for sure, if it can't keep a 9800X3D in the 60s. I'd like you to take that CPU block off, slap an air cooler and see what happens.
Yeah, I have a 9800X3D on a Arctic Freezer III 420, it has never gone beyond 60s.
If I had to throw out a guess, it's probably the tiny reservoir that's in there, maybe not enough thermal capacity. Probably should have gone with a bigger one.
I don't think that's the issue. I've seen SFF systems with Barrow CPU blocks with pump that had basically milliliters of water to spare and cooled a CPU without issue. AIO don't have any reservoir and they cool perfectly fine. I think it's either a wrong setting in BIOS or an issue with the block, like poor mounting or the jet plate somehow moved.
@@TommyThousandFaces That's a more likely scenario, yeah.
Edit: Still doesn't change the fact that if I spent $7500 on a PC like this and the CPU temps were 83c and I had to diagnose the issue myself, I'd be super pissed.
Thin radiators and the reservoir needs to be higher, the lower that is the more air bubbles will happen, it's a weird build but it's most likely just the Corsair crap.
Like Corsair fans have some of the worst air transfer in the business.
The 4090 is also insanely hot, so you've got those insanely hot demanding components being cooled by utter shite.
The trick to get great cable managing that tight and clean is you have to start from the motherboard side - your GPU/CPU/MoBo power terminatations, and tighten everything there and work back towards the PSU. I have done it before just because, and took some serious time on my first attempt.
Half of gpu sales are in prebuilts.. this is why nvidia gets away with low vram amounts. Ppl just buy "mid range" or "high end" and then never think about their parts again.
prebuilds also have amd gpu & they have enough vram. 99% of the users wont care about vram. like amd already showed, what does it matter to have 32gb vram when the gpu can only handle 10gb in a game because the bottleneck are the cuda cores or cu. even the 4090 cant use 24gb vram properly & ppl always have the "future" take. in future those cards are too weak to run those next gen games. a 16gb vram amd card that also use more vram compared to nvidia cards still has tons of room left, in the end on both cards u will have 60 fps with stutters & use only 12 out of 16gb vram.
Yeah vram means so little. My 4070 super with 12gb vram is doing far more than my 7800xt could with 16gb
@@Vss077 I'll never understand this defense of low vram gpus..Yes a 4090 can make use of 24gb in games. Indiana Jones at max settings reaches well over 16 gb. And runs amazingly for having path tracing The main reason you do not see games using over 16gb is not because GPUs cannot make use of it, they most certainly can. The reason is because most gpus have such low vram amounts, devs are forced into optimizing the vram and shifting data in and out of the vram buffer constantly in order to get games running smoothly. If devs knew that all gamers would have 16gb or more and over 24gb for high end ultra settings.. the games would both look and run better. Nvidias GPU (and of course consoles) is holding back progress. I want gpus with 32gb and I want devs to use it so we can progress visuals. This is the reality. It only takes a few milliseconds to access all data in a 16gb GPU.. a 4080 can access all 16gb at a rate of 45 times per second. You need but a fraction of that data in order to generate a frame as your fov contains a small portion of the assets. I am an electrical engineer so admittedly I do not know very much about GPU architectures and how games are programmed in practice but it does not take a genius to understand that having and using more vram is a good thing for image quality. All devs say the same things.. if only the average gamer had a lot more vram they would have more artistic freedom and would not need to optimize for vram usage and they can focus on keeping performance consistent instead. 🤷
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@@Vss077 This is exactly what I've been trying to tell people for years. It's a cat and mouse game of speed and memory for those that want to game in high settings. Either, VRAM is waiting on GPU clock speed or GPU speed is waiting on VRAM. Sufficient VRAM has been with us for a relatively long time for those that are willing to pay (2080ti, etc.) but slow GPU clock speeds have always held that VRAM back, so it was kind of pointless to add more at the time for gaming purposes. GPU's are faster now, but still not fast enough to utilize 24 or 32 GB of VRAM efficiently in gaming. Might as well get a 16GB card so that memory and and clock speeds are closer to parity.
Jay complaining he sucks with cable management....
Me looking at the spaghetti mess in and around my system...
Yeah Jay...you suck... sure you do xD
Custom cut cables
I love the straight 15 secs when he is just slowly wiggling the computer out of the crate 😂 1:40
I was like OMG just grab it! lmao
One thing I dislike about the Corsair RGB's (Other than the iCue software) is if you want them to be red, it's not an option, they look Pink because there is a white film between the light and the RGB
Its not just corsair. I have tforce delta rgb and they cant make white. Its yellow. They cant make blue without looking pink. Only reds and yellows look right for me.
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@@Odyssey636 yeah i got a razer keyboard with the pink red as well.
That's either fan specific or software related, though.
To be honest, I find RGB is wildly different depending on the manufacturer as well. Like, even entering the same hex code will result in the colour looking different between two components, and often it's quite a big difference as well. And yeah, whites have a blue tint on my corsair fans. Glad I don't care about using white because that would really bother me.
22:22 Yes, please, Jay... use a car radiator and fan for a pc build and pair it up with a sim-rig. I need a dirty performance based racecar PC.
You should not run fan curves for open loops on component temperature, it should be on coolant temperature.
but corsair doesnt offer water temp monitoring. even on this 7000 dollar system. LMAO.
that rear fan is also intake
Right, for 7000$ they should got that right
I built my own 7800X 3D, 64gb 6400 corsair ram, Asus RTX4090, 4 x 2Tb M.2 Nvme drives, 7 Lian Li infinity uni-fans. Fractal Design Meshify 2 case. 360 AIO, EVGA 1300 watt platinum power supply. Gigabyte X670 Aorus Elite MB. Cost about 6K. I have been building PC's for over 30 years and enjoy the build process. I did not water cool my GPU so add another $450 and the Origin system is not really that expensive. Good review, I might have to go the Origin route on my next PC. But at 64 how many more PC's will I have left in me?
Your age is showing.
Jay, Hear me out. Maybe ask for a tour in their build-shop so you can see how they build them (and steal with your eyes).
To get wires to look like that you would pull all of them through multiple combs at once and zip between the combs to form the bundle. Then trim to length and install connectors.
Lower noise is one of the benefits of water cooling and why I went overkill with my own, got a 520mm and a 480mm rad with the fans set to a static speed. Whisper quiet with both temps below 60c (gaming).
Eh i have 2 140mm and 5 120mm in my case and the case sits right beside me and you can barely hear it when playing something like elden ring.
In my old build I had Corsair sp fans that were full blast all the time and I couldn’t hear it when gaming either.🤷🏻♂️ My headset volume completely washed out any sound my pc made😂😂
Gaming is not that intensive tbh. Went from full custom loop with three rads to all air-cooled and yeah it's a bit louder but totally fine. As long as you know how to tune the fans and don't mind the parts running a bit hotter, the difference in noise is small. Idle is dead silent compared to the pump noise of the custom loop. And when I game I put on headphones... So really my experience became even more silent than the old custom loop.
11:55 that chart would benefit from fluid temperature so much (I get it, it's most likely impossible without modifying the setup), cause that's what determines the temperature of the load-free parts, that is, if fluid is cooler than idle temperature of the device, the device won't heat up from fluid. People probably misjudge how hot the actual fluid is in the loop.
Sorry, the prices are too high now.
It's upcharged by around 3 or more thousand
While I don't know for certain, the 13mhz stepping was probably because the crystals that were used for GSM(3G) cellular were 13mhz so they were readily available and therefor cheap.
20:02 - No Jay. They're overpriced by A LOT. Are you maybe a little out of touch at this point? No, seriously. People that have the newest stuff get used to it and forget that the majority of other people don't have the latest and greatest, nor the money to buy it. Just saying.
That cabling is clean. Beautiful work there. Something we did when building wind towers was use a cable as a template with several different color coded lengths which made quick clean lugging for the transformers. Granted there are a lot less high voltage wires in a transformer compared to all the wiring in a PC but they build this same box over and over. They could easily have a wiring harness template since they do so many of them. They could possibly manage/tie the wiring before it even goes in the box. A few changes here and there per order wouldnt hurt their efficiency to bad.
Needs "In the Air tonight" as a theme song ;)
That song was Phil Collins solo, perhaps 'Land of confusion' would work for you :)
Telling us how great having crate service is while showing us the side of the crate with a humongous boot print on it. Excellent 👌
A boot print makes crate service not worth it? That's some 0 IQ logic.
@-Devy- Friend, I think you misunderstood my comment. I meant that it was a masterful way to show why you want crate service. Especially for something this expensive and delicate.
0:08 "Y'all know the drill."
Yes, he goes by Dewalt, thank you for introducing him!
You guys should look into removing the auto translation of your videos title into different languages. I'm french but watch a majority of english content and youtube is absolutely destroying any meaning your titles have when switching it to french.
From what I understand, it's not something i can fix on my side as a viewer, and the channel owner has to change some settings on the video to prevent it from happening.
Maybe you want it to happen thinking it might draw more views, either way i'm just expressing my opinion, and my opinion is that this google feature sucks.
Sorry this comment wasn't related to the video.
And it talks to me in Italian when casting on TV with no option to change back to English.
Well done auto translation!
I doubt the difference between a $3500 pc and a $7000 pc is worth double
I was just watching the GamersNexus video where they are tearing Origin apart. Then I see a recommended video on the side for Jay. Then I see the "Sponsor" logo 😭
He is an honest guy so the sponsorship doesn't make a difference.
@@xpodxbro what u smoking gamersnexus showed what a real costumer would get not like Jays sponsored build
@vamparooo maybe they updated there practices and learned from there mistakes?
@@xpodx Uhm you don't think they would put extra effort into a sponsorship build I think you might be a bit delusional
@vamparooo it's possible for sure. Maybe he should buy one anonymously. Then sell both ha
I love the sleeved tubing, it does make it a little too similar to AIO's, but honestly it looks cleaner and sleek because of it
Cable management is easy when you can do your own bespoke cables at your specified lengths...
cable management challenges are from cables that are either too long, or too short...
I heard Corsair water cooling on their cards ends up not cooling the vram on the back.
Just common sense if you try to do everything exhaust your fans will have to pull against negative pressure moving less air. The would need to be entirely made of mesh for that to work.
Is no one gonna talk about how that rear fan appears to be set up as intake instead of exhaust?
I was thinking the same thing.
is a good thing. no tower cooler, it's supplying cold air straight to the 360 rad.
i dont think it matters much, it probably helps for positive pressure inside the case also
What’s the problem with that? The goal is to create a positive pressure environment, isn’t it? All the cooling is meant to be done by the 360 radiator anyway
as others have said - positive pressure... although with the other 3 intakes cooling a radiator the closer to neutral the better. Don't forget the PSU will be adding neg pressure too.
I‘m using Liquid Temp in iCue to control the Fan Speed.
The Pump res combo should provide coolant temp. The older generation did.
Now Jay you know these young bucks don't know anything about Phil Collins lol
You missed the marker 14:08
4:45 Congratulations, it's a boy!
lmao
I paused this video to talk to my coworker, I start it, he drops the drain, and your comment rotates to the top 😅😅😅😅
If they set those intake fans to stop at low temps, they are creating a dust magnet since the exhaust fans are sill running creating negative pressure. I would never set up a case like that. Intake fans should always be running.
the best youtuber for Cable management is a guy in Philipines called Declassified systems.
Correct me if I'm wrong(I really don't know.) 7,000 for tubed water cooling? Is it wrong at that price to expect hardline?
pass it over to steve from gamer nexus
Now back to you, Steve
@@screwthisin Thanks, Steve.
Nah, let Steve buy one without them knowing so they don't spend extra time making sure it's not hot garbage. Sponsored videos don't jive with Steve's style.
You can’t configure icue to use GPU temp while in memory mode. Must have application running to use PC sensors. In memory mode it only allows you to pick from Coolant temp or the fan sensors.
Wow, how confident do you need to be to ship a PC with liquid in it? That’s some next-level trust in their engineering
Well every aio has liquid in it, granted one of them busting open is far harder in shipping than a reservoir
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Confident? Stupidity you mean.
Spending over 1 thousand dollars on shipping should make you confident enough
Goes to show you can get differing qualities shipment to shipment. Usually I build my own pcs, but i had bought a Origin a few years ago and it was totally fine.
Though I'd imagine they would be extra careful if they knew they were shipping to Jay!
Wouldn't you want the back case fan to be an intake so there is positive pressure so you minimize the amount of dust getting in?
Agreed! 4 intake, 3 exhaust, positive pressure absolutely makes sense.
I just commented on that same thing. They installed it in the wrong direction unless these corsair fans have a reverse fan but I believe not because I have these fans in my rig!
No filter on the back case fan. You'd be pumping dust in.
@@Silarous seems like a design flaw
@@allu7112 I've honestly never seen a case with a filter on the rear fan. They are typically considered an exhaust fan.
$7000 is crazy. They didn't even put Corsair Dominators in there, you got some Vengeance model ram in there. That's wild af all that money for an open loop and some good cable management. The Asus board, 4090 and 9800x3d maybe come out to about a 1/3rd of that price all together.
That cable management caused my brain to release endorphins
@@williamstewart1883 Mine would be like a massive shortcircuit 🤣
If you bought one it probably would look worse they make sure it's perfect for people who they know are gonna make a video about it
@@vamparooo I know to make it all that pretty and neat it would require alot of planning and cutting wires to the correct length and it proven a hassle from time to time as some cables can't be hidden properly. What worries me is radio frequency interferences when all the cables are that close together as how I know when using cheap sata cables that weren't shielded properly causing all sort of weirdness along with data corruption and system lock up randomly.
This means nothing since you didnt buy it anonymously
That rear fan unless it’s spinning backwards is an intake.I run the white versions of those fans and that rear is in taking air into the case
Learn about PC's then make a stupid comment, rear intake is fine, especially with idiots using AIO's as the airflow is needed over the VRM's and other components. This case doesn't have front intake fans which would normally flow over said VRM's. Because of the 2 radiators which is complete nonsense, that restriction justifies the rear fan to intake and provide the much needed air flow.
@@animalyze7120woah calm down nerd. He said it was an exhaust and it’s not. It’s an intake. That case has 3 front/side intake. You can set your fans up however you want I’m just correcting what he said. Side intake, top exhaust and NORMALLY rears are always exhaust. I’m just correcting what he said.
@@animalyze7120literally never said rear as intake was wrong or right.
You can see the pitch of the side and rear fans if you look closely, the rear spins in the opposite airflow direction from the side fans.
@@animalyze7120first of all, relax and reread what they said, second, modern good aios have vram fans and some mobos do too.
nice looking build, that cable management is sick, much easier with Icue link. only nit-pick i have is that they could use reversed fans to hide those frames on back of the fans on the side and rear fan
The packaging cost as much as the computer.
The system looks excellent! I really like the black sleeved tubing, too. I believe the extra 8-pin PCIe power socket under the mobo's 24pin is for PD (power delivery) on the front panel USB ports. It's not supplying any additional power to the GPU, despite being keyed for PCIe power.
I wll never trust Origin to the same levels i did before the shambles. Corsair products themselves are also just bad in my opinion. iCue is a horror movie in its own too.
The cable management is stunning. Mine is tidy on the motherboard side, but behind the motherboard it's a mess because I give up after 5 minutes.
That much money and they couldn't put in reverse fans?!
Do they give you the original heatsink for the GPU? Because if not, it really limits the ability to sell just the GPU if you want to upgrade one day.
4°c is actuality a substantial difference...
Yes, indeed - just under 40 degrees Fahrenheit.
large protion of what you pay for with a prebuilt water cooled PC is that shipping. The crate, the packing, the freight shipping for all that weight. I'd estimate that 2 grand of that $6800 price tag covers those packing/shipping/handling fees.
This is a very easy build to DIY. Do NOT pay an extra 3 grand for someone to do it. My lord.. all you need is a screwdriver lol
It's not really 3k at this point. Have you looked at 4090 prices? They're all running close to $3k on NewEgg right now. 9800x3d is $500 -if you could find one at MSRP - x870E board is gonna run you another $400, the RAM will clock in for another $200, you've got $300 for the SSDs, another $400 for the cooling, etc. It's probably closer to a 1.5k premium. Which yes, that's a lot of money, but if you don't enjoy the building and troubleshooting process, and you're the kind of person that was going to spend $5k+ on a computer anyway, seems perfectly reasonable.
They may be re-terminating the power cables. I did that when I made custom systems.
RGB lights on pc tower are the most ridiculous things that happen those last 15 years.
Jay you need to make an evaporative cooling system for fun, there is nothing like building an evaporative rain tube. It makes the sound of rain falling, and its actually using the water droplets surface evaporating as the droplets fall through the air, this phase change is removing heat from the CPU you are overclocking as the remaining water in fluid from is cooler after its surface evaporates slightly. Its so neat, yes its impractical, they need maintenance and almost daily filling and checking, but its very fun and you need this experience. Art tube that cares large artwork rolled up works for the rain tube, and a cheap shower head, and a bucket, and an aquarium submersible pump, its the weirdest form of water cooling and you know you want to try it.
High end expensive PC videos are becoming like supercar reviews. Most people watching will never have one.
As opposed to what mythical time when everyone owned top of the line computers?
It's like watching a review for a $100,000 Lexus, never in a million years will I own one.
With some saving and a job you can afford one of these especially if you build yourself. The question is it is worth it.
@@Spetsnazty I'm retired and don't game very much at all, so no, it wouldn't be worth it. I will put $1500 into a build but no more.
If anyone is having trouble finding a 9800x3d and live in the Missouri area The Brentwood Microcenter has over 25+ in stock Right now
Insane CPU temp
Not sold on the covered tubing. One of the coolest things about water cooling is the awesome colours of the liquids in the pipes!
That CPU temperature is way too high for that cooling system.
My first whitebox PC (locally built in Oak Ridge, TN) with a 286 CPU, 287 coprocessor, 2.5 MB RAM, EGA graphics, 30 MB hard drive, MS-DOS 3.3 etc. cost $5,500 in 1987 dollars. That is roughly $15,050 in November 2024 dollars. My recent AMD 9900X build with 64 GB of RAM on an Asus motherboard, AIO cooler, 10 GB of NVMe drives, no graphics card (it's a compute box, not a gaming PC) and a low end LG 32" gaming monitor was just under $3,000 in October 2024 dollars.
Those sleeved tubes look so sick, I have that case and am running an AIO and have been thinking about going back to full custom loop. Might end up going that route next time I upgrade my gpu
Last NEW PC I bought OEM was when windows 95 came out, Packard Bell, webcrawler, and Netscape baby. LOL
ever since then all my PC's have been built by me.
My first PC as well and all my systems after were built by me.
A single 360 rad for the CPU and GPU?! I had trouble cooling my 5950X and 3090 with two 360 rads. I mean, it was doable, but my fans had to be pretty loud to cool the rads. Now that I have 3 I love it, because the fans can be almost inaudible.
that seems pretty hot for a 9800x3D o.o
Hi J2C any chance you could start doing a yearly event judging all the possible complete pc builds from people around the world for example here in the UK a PC magazine used to have a Dream PC yearly competition for our PC builders of the various PC parts/components/builders from Scan UK, Overclockers UK, and many others. They all had no limits on what you could fit or have done to cases like custom paint jobs lazer cutting etc? Cheers for the great work mate.
Yeah, Jay, the average consumer doesn't have 6 thousand plus dollars for this PC or, like you, a sponsorship, so you get to review this for free.
With that said, excellent review. Keep up the great content.
I'll keep my AMD 3900 , 16 gigs of ram my 1 terabyte hard drive & i only had to upgrade my GPU from a 2080 super which couldn't even run GTAV to a 4070TI & my BLD NZXT build from is from 2019
I had to be patient since the prices are so high in 2023 but I finally got a brand new ZOTAC Gaming GeForce 4070 TI Trinity for 876.54 in September 1st 2023 yes expensive but consider this im looking this up on Amazon as I'm writing this & prices are currently over 1 thousand dollars new & used & I can run everything . Example GTAV just name the game and it brings a whole other element the graphics come to life in a surreal way.
here's a counter to the tight wiring and cabling - our company prebuilt from Origin has had all of the sata cables replaced. there's a thing as too tight...these are plastic fitting housings in a heated environment...over time, they will yield to the pressures
Bro i love your stuff jay but origin is just shitbag insane thinking thats worth 7000 no way in helll