Mystery of the Gobekli Tepe "Handbags"
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
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In many works of ancient art, one might find images of strange creatures carrying what appears to be a handbag. Some non-specialists have made videos on the subject, comparing similar images from around the globe, asking whether there might be a connection between them and wondering what the bags represent and what they contain. In this video, Professor Miano unravels the mystery and reveals the identity and purpose of these mysterious objects.
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Articles on the Coso petroglyphs:
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Actually, it was NOT the excavators who identified the Göbekli "handbags" as buildings, each marked with the animal symbol of a lineage or "house;" it was me, in a 2011 article published in Current Anthropology. I am gratified that my interpretation is gaining interest, including among the current excavators there.
Oh, sorry for not giving proper credit!
Has their been any speculation or theory about the 3 Göbekli “handbags” possibly being viewed as a portrayal of caves? Possibly a bird and goat/ram as the animals in between? I know it’s far fetched but I have a theory that GT is a memorial (or prophecy) to the post flood world where Noah releases all of these animals who dwell among them for years. And as God gave Noah instructions and specific measurements on how to build the ark, he also gave instructions to build this area to record this new/refreshed world. Which is an explanation of how a Hunter/gather civilization with no previous stone work or carving skills would be able to create such detailed pieces. Sticking with the cave idea, could represent prophecies of Christ being born in a stable (some believe the stable was a built in cave on the side of a hill), Ein Geidi where David hid from Saul or possibly a prophesy that the Dead Sea Scrolls could be found in 11 caves. I have no evidence or basis on this theory. PURE conjecture and an alternate theory!
the solely opening at the top (not floor level) and the lack of space (unable to walk around these 'houses' ) let me suggest you it are graves (houses of the dead) . Migratory birds as cranes and storks as announcers of death and birth just below them plus a vulture like bird (symbolic for mortality) plus a setting or dawning sun ( cyclus of life and death ).
@@willempasterkamp862 how do you know what they thought?
@@willempasterkamp862they started without any cult
why are you so sure these animal figures had any symbolic religious meaning at all
they could be a simple map of territories around pointing out geography
The perfect blend of debunking pseudoscience, fascinating discussions with actual expert and presenting information with humility, expertise and passion for understanding the past. This channel is a massive breath of fresh air. When channels like this outnumber the charlatans and skulduggery, the world will be a much better place. Thank you so much for all of the work you do.
I appreciate hearing that!
A balance is indeed good; but I still likes me cranks and stuff. (And sometimes the cranks make good points ... certainly often food for thought.) Anyway, without the odd crank or two we might still be keeping well clear of the edge of the world or enviously watching eagles soar whilst we hoof around on horses ... communicating by pigeon or tom-toms ...
Interesting and useful information. It's good to have someone haul me out of the rabbit hole every now and then.
Thank you. I'm glad it proved useful!
@@WorldofAntiquity You are very welcome. Your style is engaging to say the least!
However, I'm afraid your job is not yet done because half of me is still stuck in the Saqqara rabbit hole. I noted with interest your reference to the Serapeum boxes but I would like to know more. Have we any idea who, why, when and most of all, how?
After watching UNchartedX's many enjoyable offerings on the subject one could be persuaded that mainstream academia is refraining from further investigation for fear of the inexplicable. I'm sure you disagree with this conclusion (!) and I hope you could refer me to some reading to further my understanding. If you had the time or inclination , a video on the subject would be most welcome and a further service to the real achievements of those marvellous Ancient Egyptians!
I did a 3-part series on UnchartedX. Have you had a chance to see them yet? Lots of talk about Saqqara in Part 3. They are called Ancient High Technology, Ancient Advanced Machining, and Precision.
@@WorldofAntiquity Thank you. I'm now greatly looking forward to watching them and then checking out the rest of your videos. I'm almost free!
What did you think of AA's take on the expansion of the Great Pyramid? It was a long video which, owing to his previous work, I watched it with some trepidation. After about 35 minutes he was keeping my interest and in the end, i found his reasoning solid. Have you seen it? Also, in that video, he layed out some thoughts on the king's chamber which i found to be interesting and, in light of Hudin's work, actually plausible.
You're my go to channel for dispelling misinformation concerning antiquity. Credible work is invaluable. Well done. Thanks!
So I've been watching Ancient Architects for a few years now. And I've gradually watched him get more in line with official archeology and stop making wild claims. Especially with regard to his Egypt content. I always wondered why this happened. I'm positive now that his interactions with you had a great influence on his content production style and the claims he makes in the videos. This was a real "head scratcher" to me for some time so I'm glad I found your content.
The Australian myth of the entity carrying "children" around in a bag would maybe be inspired more by all the marsupial animals in Australia than a (not very similar) myth from Sumeria/Babylon/wherever in the ANE! I just found your channel…and subscribed! Thank you for taking the time to apply current historical/archeological/scientific understanding to some of these popular, but badly researched and formulated, hypotheses wrt aliens/super ancient advanced civilizations. Your work is greatly appreciated.
Welcome!
They're not buckets or bags, they're car doors
They were used for cooling, when it got hot out they rolled down the windows.
Thanks for the videos.
To me they looked like the symbol for Android OS. Now THAT would be some youtube awesomeness! Linking THAT to the ancient Australians & Sumerians.
Göbekli Tepe was a restaurant, those animals were just the menu. the figure of a man with his hands around his stomach means 'good eats', those "bags" are doggy bags and take outs.
@@rdwwdr3520 It was an ancient lost MEME meant to trigger the snowflake mainstream NPCs
Im, thinking 1948 Hudson doors.
_Damn_ that's funny. Actually, The Problem is kind of built into human nature. While children certainly _like_ the idea of some Great Force rewarding them, most aren't seriously married to the idea that Santa is or has to be real.
It's just that before age eight, children can't separate the notion of their parents *lying* to them from contemplating that there could be a good reason *why* they lie.
That's a bigger deal than it first appears for two reasons. First, if they can't separate those things, then knowing their parents lied for any reason would be too much for children to bear. There's No Possible Reason For the lie, so their emotional world is shattered.
The *second reason is* that the vast majority of people do _NOT_ outgrow the desire to view Great Forces as being Perfect Entities who Protect Them.
Thus when some people realize that *politicians* lie & can't separate politicians from their notion of what 'Government' is, then they start screaming inwardly like children. Then to them, they see _everything_ 'Government' says as a lie. Flat-Earthers are the best example of this. You can't have the sun rising over different parts of a flat surface at different times.
The end, right? No. It's not _about_ facts. The urge to associate Truth with some Great Force that Provides It is greater than one's patience to figure things out. So much so in fact that most people can't live without ascribing this benevolence to some easily-identifiable *representation* of force, hence why politicians have become modern day's Unquestionable Priests.
Also, the Unknown is a very disturbing concept to the insecure, which is most people. They have to fill any mental files marked 'Unknown,'
I meant that exactly as said. They don't require Truth to fill those files: they require only that those files are filled. This is why ideas requiring little or no thought will always have more adherents to them. & once a notion fills a file previously marked 'Unknown, the subconscious, always uneasy with that term feels a wave of relief & endorphins, so it becomes very attached to that notion.
Who do those people concerned about the effects lobbying have on the decisions of their decision-makers appeal to to end lobbying? The very politicians who take the lobbying $. The notion that 'politicians' = 'Government' & 'Government' = Benevolent Protector moved into those files of uncertainty, gave superficial comfort, & now supposedly rational adults approach politicians as if they are extensions of some Benevolent Being concerned for their welfare.
_Not_ as funny.
I don't even understand how the concept of carrying seeds (or anything else) in bags should even be a "thing."
We've been carrying crap in bags for teens of thousands of years... why would it be more than casually linked over all that time?
if you are the first culture to develop agriculture than seeds will ofc be prominent
I have read something by Samuel Noah Kramer discussing the pine cones, dipped in water, sprinkled on those that enter the temple was what those are depicting. Why have folks at the door when you can have permanent deities doing it. Protection, fertility, and cleansing for worshippers both coming in and exiting. Its more believable than once living slave masters doing who knows what 🤷♀️
This is a very tidy presentation of the Scientific Method, as applied to Historical & Anthropological research; kudos to you, Ser!
Once again, you have produced a video that is not only informative but a true voice of reason and sanity (so needed when others try to deliberately mislead, or, sadly, actually believe, the nonsense that springs from lack of understanding - or from some kind of psychological insecurity). Also, your knowledge of the cultures and archaeology of the ancient world is impressive. Thanks for your postings on RUclips!
My simple answer to why depictions of bags look the same or similar over a great timespan is quite obvious to me.
It's because with the same types of material (generally grasses), a standard pattern develops over a great timespan, determining what works and what doesn't, and eventually, the various designs all across the globe coalesce into a design which appears close to identical, without the requirement for cross-community knowledge transfer.
It's the same way that tools become a standardised size for the same task, i.e. bronze chisels for carving caverns.
Human biomechanics are roughly the same across the globe, meaning it takes most people the same effort to strike a chisel with an average strength, using a standardised mallet to be able to work for extended periods.
A chisel with a wide edge won't work as efficiently as one that directs more force on a specific area, and so the chisels across the globe will eventually reach similar sizes and shapes to perform the same or similar function.
They've just found some cave art that links the Australian Aborigine's to the Sumerians.... it's a painting of a huge ' Sydney Harbour Bridge ', that spans across the ocean.
And evidence of that ancient Aboriginal spirit - "Kilroy-was-here"...
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There are literally tribes of people in South America that have been there since before it was called America that are related to the aboriginals. Proven with DNA. Joke that away.
Made by aliens. 👽 Or maybe Mexicans.
You would think archaeologists were in a furious battle over it but it looks like it's just handbags
Your videos are very impressive and extremely well argued. Thank you for injecting reason into these discussions. You explain some basic archaeological logic extremely well.
I'm Maori from NZ and we have stories of the first man Tanenui-a-Rangi climbing a tree into the seven heavens and coming back with three baskets of knowledge
Interesting! Yes, I expect baskets and bags can be found in many mythologies They are such universally useful items.
Exactly how can other cultures have the same story if they weren't interconnected somehow
Another explanation could be many cultures share a common set of narrations-Crecganfort‘ Channel searches this pathes with a scientific method, phylogenetics, to discover earlier versions of narrations.
This 3Bag thing could be something for him.
While 2 cultures might not be directly connected, they are all relatives. I expext similarities. I just wonder why some motives (like Snakes) are so dominant over other motives-I would expect more random differentiation over time. But may be the ancient cultures where in frequent exchange, that would explain it partially.
No conventional archaeologist admits that thousands of years ago, there might have been on earth some type of other beings, not necessarily humans. Relevant proofs can be seen on buildings, pictures and ancient artifacts. My view is that as long as this stereotype mindset is not changing and all are unwilling to see thinks on a broader horizon of existence then no body can claim that is aware of the truth. There are ancient buildings all around the world and mainly in uninhabited jungles and deserted areas. We are all aware that human beings could not be the architects of those structures. Mesopotamians Egyptians, Greeks etc are carriers of ancient oral knowledge considered by contemporary archaeologists as myths.
I was in Gobeklitepe a few months ago and it was stunning! It made me question everything we learnt about human history. Your video was helpful too, love from Belgium :)
Sounds like a fantastic trip! I hope to visit there some day soon.
@@WorldofAntiquity I have a doubt but not related to this video can you please respond?
@@themaskedman5954 On what topic?
@@WorldofAntiquity About Bell Beaker culture
David Reich in an interview said something like skeletons from central european part of the beaker complex harbored 50% yamnaya ancestry but we have no evidence of yamnaya entering there (beaker complex) archaeologically
Is that true?
I don't know much about archaeology of bell beaker culture
50% of ancestry but no trace in archaeological records is strange
So this is my question
@@themaskedman5954 This might be a good one to post on my Did Civilization Begin in India video.
I played this at a playback speed of 1.5 and it still took forever for him to make a point.
Yeah, this first major point starts at 1:54, so that would have taken you 90 seconds. Who has the patience for that??
@@WorldofAntiquity the first "major" point isn't made until around the 5 min mark.
Another great video. You should add chapters to this. Might help the algorithm pick it up and get it out there more. Great work I like your style.
Not only do they have handbags, they also are wearing Rolexes.
As an artist with a weakness in representing musculature, Assyrian reliefs are especially gorgeous to me for their near immaculate detail
Gobekli Tepe could have been a building developer selling estates in neighbouring settlements that mimic the master plan at Gobekli Tepe. No seriously, great video. I'm slowly working my way around your entire repertoire. It's been very helpful.
You mean it was a show home?
@@StoutProper, lol... Exactly! For the skull cult that existed there. Creepy arse home buyers.
@15:03 my grandson says it looks like the Easter Bunny and they are definitely baskets for the eggs. he also said the hands symbols are a mystery.
I love when you zoom out of the Sumarian prayer sculptures image, only to show he cropped out the Bird-looking one! 💙 lol. Your explanations are always revealing, whereas the "alternate theories" have to tread lightly through the facts & are always stronger with LESS information! Very interesting!!!
Just watched Parts 1 and 2. I appreciate both sides of the issues. More knowledge and opinion helps the realities of the ancient world to become clearer and clearer. The point is to keep searching and asking the questions. Thank you for your input.
It’s me - who recently left a comment on part one.
This stuff is fascinating.
I will say this, the comparison between the South American “bag” relief and the Assyrian relief is extremely close in their presentation.
But, I buy the basic logic that a pot is a pot no matter where and when you are on earth. A pot is not a terribly complex concept to birth.
It seems like that logic can also be applied to the reliefs in South America. What always astounds me is the classic “side profile” depictions in these reliefs, present in Egypt and Assyria
and also South America - but again, it seems like ultimately this “style” just made the most sense for creating the illusion of 3 dimensional space on a 2 dimensional rock or clay.
Your channel rocks man, lots to consider on these. Ultimately it seems humans of antiquity simply are not afforded as much credit as they deserve. People essentially assume that their artistic and architectural feats were impossible, or required some sort of global cross-culture communication. People are attracted to the mystery of it all, and so they let their imagination run wild.
I’ve seen alot of videos on these subjects and they all seem to be missing things, or provide explanations that aren’t really supported by much evidence.
This channel however is both the remedy to faulty scientific views, and the medication to provide a proper understanding of the ancient past.
You obviously know what you’re talking about man I will definitely continue to watch and I have subscribed 😎
I actually started to watch that ancient architect video, believing it to be a video about ancient architecture, and I have enormous respect for the fact that you managed to watch the whole thing. The worst thing is I get the impression that he doesn’t actually believe any of it himself.
He has since changed his mind.
@@WorldofAntiquity thx for the update, I have avoided the channel since then so I wouldn’t know. Anyone willing toadmit they’re wrong deserves a second chance though.
I really like your review of an opposing presentation. This subject is Very important to me for some unknown reason .
In the past none of the explanations rang true, until yours .
ThankYou for not being just another yt channel parroting others that seem to have a suspicious style of wording things and uses a triangular style of reasoning that tricks most unaware researchers - just like you pointed out that Enki was not represented by snakes ! The snake is shiny and cautious and stood for wisdom. The Truth is much less convoluted than the lie.
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You're so right, Natasha! It is less convoluted. I'm glad you liked the video, and thank you for the kind words.
Why don't you ask the British Queen Elizabeth who ALWAYS meets the new Prime minister carrying ,,,,, A HAND BAG..
Google the pics....!!!!!!
The royal family also travels around planting trees. Coincidence? I don’t think so.
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So you have an explanation of the "handbags" in Gobleki Tepe but how do you explain the absolutely identical images in at least 20 widely diverse places in the world?😮
Why are you asking a question that is answered in detail in the video?
This is great, well done indeed. I've been down a week long rabbit hole of Pseudo Archeology videos and I'm now binge watching yours. I can't wait to see what you have to say about the Pyramids of Giza and the claims that they are power stations or something.
A video topic I'd love you to cover is to debunk the idea that ancient rock art from Australia shows depictions of aliens. I think there are other global examples, but I can't remember them off the top of my head. Thank you for your hard work!!!
You should try to avoid the "debunker" label. People that debunk, are not concerned with proving something wrong, but excusing it away, or intentionally misrepresenting people's views via straw man. an example of this is people want to "debunk" the aliens built the pyramids, by claiming they say the pyramids are perfectly square, then disprove that by showing the dimensions are not a prefect square. No one buys this because the argument in not perfect square, but trapezoidal with the 4 edges pointing to the 4 directions of the compass, but since that is what the dimensions show, they have to misrepresent the opponents arguments.
Gerald Cote, What word would you suggest for Dr. Mieno use in place of debunk? He is carefully debunking pseudo archeology by explaining the impossibleity of there being a connection between the Australian aborigines and the Surmmarians. Real debunked don't make mistakes as you suggested. In your example both are not real archeologists!
I have enjoyed this series, I continue to enjoy your factual review of these items that are so often used by alternative researchers. The topic I would really like to hear is Cusco and other places in Peru being much older then Incans. Unchartedx and others have many videos on it. You have earned my sub.
Look up the sound chamber at Chavin, Peru. Everything is vibrational in nature, and that science is worldwide amongst the Ancients. Megalithomania 'Before the Olmec and Quetzalcoatl' sheds a lot of light on this. Also, energy lines of the earth, following mineral deposits was known in past times (@ 30 min).
The problem with objects and art is always: even if 2 cultures have essentially nothing in common it can happen that some cultures in one region used a certain motive. Now, a small masterwork Art piece made of stone might travel a long way over the centuries. Being robbed, taken along on a migration, sold to one ruler and gifted to another. And then, one day, 1000 years later, an artist or ruler sees this artwork that might have traveled from Asia to Africa over those 1000 years even though the two cultures never had anything to do with each other. And the artist or ruler likes the shape, or a symbol, or the style, despite the fact that they have no idea what the object was for or what the symbol means.
Or maybe 2 people come up with very similar designs based on something they saw in nature.
There might be 5 ways a culture draws birds and one happens to be very similar to one of the 5 ways another culture draws birds.
Having one single thing that's similar means very little.
Dr. Miano, thank you for this enlightening video. I've been disturbed by this handbag question for some time and your effort here has resolved most of the mystery for me. Gobekli Tepe is still a mystery, it may well always be, but I understand there are some ongoing archaeological excavations at nearby similar sites that may provide more answers.
Glad it was helpful!
@@WorldofAntiquity Hello Dr. Miano. I don't know if you'll ever read this comment but I don't think Ancient Architects is trying to imply that the aboriginals influenced the Sumerians. Instead he is insinuating that some ancient race of ALIENS, reptilian aliens most likely, influenced the aboriginals, the Sumerians, all cultures, I mean that's the Chariots of the Gods shtick, the Anunnaki were Ancient Aliens and all that. So it seems a bit moot to try to argue that there is no connection between ancient Australians and Sumerians and others because I'm pretty sure that's not his point anyway.
Pretty much all these alternative history guys are all obsessed with aliens, and they are trying to create a link all the way to present showing how these "aliens" have ruled over us, and still are "as deep state reptilians". And most of their ideas are subliminally influenced by Hollywood films they saw as kids and have consciously forgotten like various episodes of OS Star Trek, Outer Limits, V, They Live, Stargate, etc. and are linking them to history by subconscious confirmation bias.
I'm really glad that both of you spoke.
Excellent video.
Next subject: the infamous wrist watches the 'Anunnaki' sport.
I admit, I really enjoy the ancient aliens/architects type videos, and find it enjoyable to try and puzzle out secret or lost meanings. I also enjoy more grounded and skeptical explanations, like yours, that, while deconstructing arguments, don't resort to heaping scorn upon anyone for considering out-there possibilities. After all, NOTHING can be more out there than the (assumed) reality of quantum mechanics, entangled particles and the process of probabilities becoming the reality we interact with! We need people making the most outrageous claims (the cat in the box is both alive and dead until it's opened), and we also need people answering those questions with mundane answers when mundane answers are available. :)
Ancient Johnny Appleseed handbags.
The only positive thing about Ancient Architects are Dr Miano’s videos debunking them.
Excellent video. I learned a lot and will be looking at artifacts, carvings, etc from ancient history much more carefully from now on. Cheers.
quite impressed with the explanation of the bags ........very helpful
The carvings in Gobekli Teppe, i think that is a good interpretation especially because the middle one has the wolf carving facing downwords just like one of the more popular pillars that is shown often, so that is a theory that does make sense.
The first thing i thought when i saw them again was a kind of shovel or hand scoop, maybe tools for digging when they built the place. Not sure if they would carve that in stone, or if their tools even looked anything like that but its just the first thing that popped in my head.
You're so good at this. Amazing, polite debunking of pseudo archeology coupled with a very interesting lesson in the archaeological method. Are you planning on debunking the new netflix Graham Hancock show " ancient apocalypse"?
The guy that owns this channel is clueless.
Enjoyed another great video, your clearing it all up, thanks
"Bro Bags". contents: half eaten Milky Way bar, comb with missing teeth, one lambskin prophyllactic, ticket stub from Metallica concert, Jenny's phone number inscribed on clay tablet.
fUNNY!
Thank you!! Thank you!! This channel (I just discovered) is an oasis cool and bright flowing with rationality and gorgeous, clean, empirical data .. Thank You !!!!!!!!!!!!!! So awesome !!!!
Welcome aboard!
These bags are Time Travelers Bag's...
I thought they looked like cars in a traffic jam in LA. Learned some interesting things. Interesting mesolithic flint points are similar cross cultural intercontinental. I think simple cross cultural ancient correlations are sop for humans been around for a few years and climate changes tectonic shifts and astrological aspects kinda shared experiences. You made some good points. Thanks for your research and knowledge.
what type of climate changes?
You mean 4 seasons?
As a Tradesman you could tell a journeyman when he came in with what he was carrying and years ago the suitcases were called turkeys they were really just a leather bag that resembled a turkey if you can imagine but the Tradesmen always had his personal tools now these carvings are obviously of Tradesmen carrying the tools or the weapons that they need to to ensure that proper completion ones that would come without bags were obviously beginners
There is an old joke that a Christian comedian once said on tour which I find comical. He said, "Women carry purses. Guys wear SHOULDER BAGS." But I find the carving humorous because the ancient alien "king" was carrying the bag in his hand like a woman's purse. LMAO. The bag could be symbolic for anything. The "experts" could be guessing what the dude's bag is for until the cows come home. LMAO. Could be a medicine bag as far as we know? LMAO. Maybe it is a bucket he is carrying, to give the dude the benefit of the doubt. LMAO.
This is matt's old video, while he was under the influence of the "ancient astronauts", now he has completely changed his mind xD What's more, I think he is going to Egypt soon, that will be interesting to see. And it's even more interesting that im watching your tour of Egypt these days, you did great job xD
I don't buy into this idea that coincidentally buckets just happens to be shown on artwork all around the world.
Quality work, thank you 🙏🏼
My pleasure!
Ancient Architect during the last few years seem to have quite improved his research, reasoning. Actually was quite surprised that this video was debunking his material :)
I have to say some of the Assyrian artwork is amazing -- the detail on the beaks, the sinewy forearms with the wristwatches, 3/4 views of snake heads on the vases...
Yes it's really unique isn't it? If you look at any of the 6 original civilizations ( I have a feeling there may be a 7th according to the myths of these same 6 cultures writings) mentioned by the professor, they are all unique and quite incredibly good!
How do you know that they are wristwatches? Just because they "look like" something doesn't mean that it is that thing. Don't fall into the rabbit hole of pseudo science.
I really like your videos because you’re actually realistic
Thanks. I try to be!
Love when ideas and theories are confroted by data and findings, thanks for creating this amazing video
ruclips.net/video/Ipad1xkpcyU/видео.html he’s wrong
You're doing great work man. You make great videos.
Nice one! Gday from Australia 👍🏻
G’day!
Just found you. Loving your work. More please. x
Thank you, and welcome!
The title should be something like "disputing someone else's claims from another video, regarding the 'handbags'"
20:45 this seems a bit far fetched. For humans to move around and not bring culture is just weird. And we did move around ... a lot! We commonly underestimate the abilities of people in ancient times.
Are you familiar with Gabi Plums work?
Indeed, we did move around, and that is why there are so few pristine civilizations. No, I haven't heard of Gabi Plum. What has she written?
@@WorldofAntiquity Frosty is probably refering to Gabi Plumm of Plumtree productions. A version of part 1 of a 3 part series she produced can (at the time of me writing this comment) be found on the youtube channel of Peter Marsh: Redheads. Part 1 of Skeletons in the Cupboard. A well made film, I found it interesting.
NOT BUYING YOUR SIMPLIFICATION OF THE SYMBOLS ON THOSE RUINS....YOU ACTUALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY MEAN....FACTS😎🤭
At 7:18 the video clearly depicts a bag not a bucket. The artist was excellent and by comparing other portions of the carving one can clearly tell its a flat container, not a bucket
You missed Part 1.
The 3 handbags are visual tribute to the Anunnaki and are symbols of the three types of knowledge and expertise which were given to humans to encourage progress and civilization. The first bag represents agriculture and plant farming. The second bag represents animal domestication from birds to horses. The third bag represents human culture and civilization. This third bag of knowledge was essential for humans as it taught men that cooperation was the only way to create sustainable human progress. The third bag was the blueprint for human culture as they were shown how to make shelters, markets, religion, laws, health practices and many more teachings for human progress especially cooperation. I don’t believe Göbekli Tepe was buried by its residents but by adversaries who wanted to hide their social progress and steel their technology. The history of humans suggests this is most likely what occurred.
If you say so. Seems funny, though, that if the people that built Gobekli Tepe had all the knowledge you claim they did, why is there no evidence advanced technology, or other evidence of the knowledge of agriculture, domestication of animals, the use of metals, a system of writing, or even how to make pottery?
And how do you connect the Anunnaki from Akkadian mythology c. 2250 BCE with this structure from the prepottery neolithic age of around 7000 years earlier?
If they were bags this still wouldn't be an accurate comment. But they aren't bags... 🛍
Ancient Architects is hilarious. He has absolutely no qualification in archaeology, nor history, nor epistemology. He demonstrates classic Dunning-Kruger Effect, or "just enough knowledge to be dangerous". His connections are garbage, his conjectures are ridiculous, and his assessments are fanciful.
The danger of him and his ilk (scammers such as Brien Foerster, UnchartedX et al) is they adopt a pseudoscientific approach that can appear logical to a poorly educated and easily manipulated mind.
I appreciate your ultra-low-level approach to debunking this stuff - thank you. You and SGD and Scientists Against Myths and others are doing great work. Sadly, the people who need to see it, are not interested in it, for the most part. Because the truth about the people who believe these conspiracy theories have a vested interest in that belief. These people are so fragile mentally that they must believe they are superior to you. They are superior because they have the truth on their side, and all of us viewers, and you, and all of science has been deluded by this conspiracy - and we are merely echoing the delusional claims science and archaeology have always made.
It is obvious you understand the truism that it is much easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they have been fooled. To accept you've been fooled is very difficult indeed - and the more rampantly a person has adopted the conspiracy theories the more emotionally invested they become. It is extremely traumatic for these people to accept they have been fooled, and to discover the true nature of the ancient astronauts/lost high-technology promoters as being scammers and con-artists who are so despicable they'll actually take you on a guided tour in another country! They're happy to lie to your very face, while they take a big pile of your money - and smile the whole time.
I ask people to always take a look at the money. Who is trying to sell a DVD, or a book, or a special audience/talk in an auditorium, or a guided tour, or Patreon - the list goes on and on. None of the debunkers have books to sell, and they aren't trying to sell you on a guided tour - or anything in fact. All they have for sale are facts. And it's free.
One thing which makes me very sad in 2021 is the extreme number of people who do not have the ability to distinguish fact from fantasy. These same people believe their ignorance is superior to actual knowledge, and study, and research. The tragedy of the situation is that such people are a tremendous drain on their own societies, dragging them ever downward; away from science and technology, away from glorifying intellect and reason.
They create a country where 40% of the population reject evolution, believe vaccinations harm children, and vote for an obvious conman and a criminal to become their president. Truly tragic times indeed.
Calm down Karen
part 2 cleared it up for me, cheers subbed
Love your presentation. If this guy from ancient arquitects give this lecture to a group of regular people will surely found a lot of followers. History is a topic that you don’t use for daily work. This ancient civilizations myth is becoming more of a religious cult where these guys are their pastors or ministers. They keep coming back with the same set of lies only to be debunked again. Thanks professor for an excellent work.
True. good point. That part creeps me out.
Ancient architects sure gets a lot of ad space from this channel lol.
The bags are abstract representatives of valuables. Otherwise it is difficult to carve gold or diamonds in stone.
-Different ancient civilizations develop hand held containers and depict them in art.
-The "enlightened" few: Hold my bear, bro, this clearly shows traces of an anciet true religion that the elites don't want us to know about!
The funny thing is that in ~1980 a fossilised beer can was discovered by Professor John Fraser on a trackway at Lake Mungo in NSW. Stratigraphy and radiocarbon dating put the age of this can at somewhere between 60ka - 100ka. The tracks, although a little unsteady, were headed to the North West.
I propose that these mysterious 'buckets' and 'bags' are, in fact, beer cans. They did indeed originate in Australia. And hence, civilisation, impossible without beer, spread from ancient Australia to the rest of the world.
TIL: Flying snakes invented bags and then distributed them around the ancient world, for which we worship them as gods.
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It is good to hear your pushback on things we are seeing talked about these days about these ancient artifacts .
I looked over here on your recommendation from seeing part one about handbags .
You do provide valuable insights.
I dont really agree with the water bucket theory . The Olmec 19 art , the handbag is too much like the Summarion depictions to just think coincidence , and while i respect your observation on the images at Tepi , i dont agree yet .
I do value your observations and insights , we need all sides to cime to the truth.
Keep doing good wirk
You are taking half of the fun out of the ancient lost civilization and origin hypotheses. Dammit! Truly superior logic and rhetoric!! I’m actually learning.
Thank you for your service. 🖖
To me the bags are a clear fashion statement.
Hi David, I stumbled across your content a couple of days ago, brilliant work btw, thank you for these - hope this finds you well!
Can I ask, what do you make of Robert Sepehr & his work?
I have heard his name before, but I haven't really investigated any of his stuff yet. I will check him out.
@@WorldofAntiquity great, thank you, would be interested to get your take on his findings & interpretations.
If I was a Sumerian god and somebody referred to me as a snake, I might be offended.
The 'bags' at Gobekli Tepi are not held and protrude at the front. I made this assessment before this channel brought it up and I think to anyone even remotely informed it is quite clear that they are cars.
I think you are wrong about your interpretation about big eyed figurines and images. As a professional artist more than 20 years I suggest you reiterate your approach to study ancient artworks. There is a clear connection, which I don't know how, between those images from different cultures. Each of hose sumerian figures have different details but all of them have oversized eyes. At this point one might assume that maybe that is the dominant art style of that culture but we know that is not the case. When you look at those images the first thing that strikes attention is their eyes. It is a common practice among character artists. When we create a family of different characters the first thing to achieve is to design the same characteristic that strikes the attention first even on different individual character designs which have more differences than similarities. When I look at those sumerian figures and australian aboriginal paintings I see the same or related family.
If they are not images of the same object, and they are not being held by the same creatures, how is there a connection?
@@WorldofAntiquity I am talking about the visual connection. Final images might be from different cultures, artists and timelines. However, people often think visual arts as purely imaginary or purely from observation. It is not the case. Instead, it is bit of both most of the time. Observation of the same or similar references, personal or thought experience might be in role in those images. I can not pinpoint the connection between those images from different cultures but dismissing the idea of connection makes little sense, at least from the point of visual arts. Despite the numerical differences are abundant, the most prominent characteristics are almost identical.
@@buffwarriors We humans like to see patterns in things and draw connections. This happens sometimes even when there is no pattern or connection. This is one of those cases, which is evidenced by the fact that these are depictions of different things, held by different people, are from different parts of the world, and are from different time periods.
@@WorldofAntiquity Also, we humans like to dismiss plain sight occurrences to preserve status quo. When you look at those artifacts you see big eyed figures from different cultures and different timelines and say so what. When I look at them I say they are by design, artist do not present things by accident especially when they wanna tell a story. I say those artists were exposed to the same or similar feedback circumstances hence the similarities between outputs.
@@buffwarriors What similarities?
I believe the 'bags' in Gobelki tepe are actual depiction of houses, with curved roofs representing the community around the temples.
At first I found it odd that you have picked Ancient Architects to criticise, since Matt's core approach is mostly hard science based, but yeah, he will put out a well thought out supported argument then suddenly leap sideways to something only vaguely related full of assumptions.
Yeah, this was one of his earlier videos. He definitely has come a long way since those days.
Wonderful video. And I truly appreciate your debunking unreasonable claims. I also enjoyed your explaining the process of how to critically think about what archaeology evidence means and what makes a convincing connection to other archaeology evidence. You rock. Thanks.🤗🤘
Thanks, Damien!
Its interesting I recently found that channel and they did a video on the bags and in it he mentions how he was wrong in the past and people corrected him. Its funny now seeing that correction
Yes, he changed his mind about it. We are on friendly terms.
Actually the depictions of the bags in Tepi are showing a train. Those are the cabs or cars linked together. This society was far more advanced than we are acknowledging
Looking at the Gobekli Tepe pillar the V and inverted V shaped lines above and below the "bags" are blocked by the objects in the opening between the handle and the "bag". So whatever they are that area is opaque. Where as if it were just a rope the lines would continue to be seen in that area.
If these “handbags” are actually buckets, possibly filled with water, why would people just walk around carrying buckets of water with them? It appears these handbags or buckets were found in cultures all over the known world. That scenario strikes me as odd, to say the least.
It seems these buckets were carried in the left hand. I assume there was a reason for that. Then there are the bracelets worn on the left wrist that are also present in all the pictures I’ve seen. What’s their significance?
I’m not challenging the theory these handbags were actually buckets, and they may have been water buckets, I’m just wondering why they carried them around with them all the time…….or at least a lot of the time?
They are not “people” and they don’t carry them around all the time.
I've seen to many "myths" turn out to be facts
What percentage of the myths you’ve heard have turned out to be facts?
Old hindu saints carry these types of pot like structures..they have water or some liquid substance(soma or homa drink) to drink while they do yogic breathing for days or months
This guy is just roasting this dude lmfaooo
As my old Rasta friend would say: “vicious!”.
Haha but in a fair way, I hope.
12:10 "same iconology"? Confusing iconology with iconography speaks volumes on amateurishness of the whole undertaking
ancient architects has said a lot of stupid stuff on his channel.....he's a geologist
So what are you thinking the so called Gobekli "handbags" might actually represent? You NEVER said what they pictured. I'm confused about what you never saying their purpose
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They aren't "handbags", they represent the animal pit tramps used by the people's living in that area in that time. They show the animals falling down into pits making it easier to dispatch them for food. Look up "animal pit traps".
@@michaeldrasic7587 That's a feasible interpretation.
That pit trap idea is something to think about, especially with the carved animals on top, it's strange they made the top of the pit trap opening smaller than the bottom "bag" area. I came here to poopoo on the explanation of homes with 7/8 roofs and animals crawling inside, but gave me something to think about, COOL! Besides the new trap idea, they likely arent 7/8 roof homes or water buckets with handles half attached, they look like bags, bags dont need a handle running the whole length like a rigid bucket naturally does, and theres animals crawling from the bags....
Thank you, doctor! 🙏
My pleasure!
Mans wearing a watch and were all looking at his bag🤦♂️
Answering the title cold: There is a very convincing evidence that the 'handbags' actually represent pits dug to trap animals... And supported by actual pits contemporary with GT discovered in the surrounding landscape.
Id still like to know why the buckets/bags are being held exactly the same way
They are held the same way today
@@WorldofAntiquity
I don't carry a bucket of water that way I have my thumb down around my hand not sticking out
@@mgman6000 You don't put your thumb on the handle? I do.
@@WorldofAntiquity interesting, why?
@@mgman6000 It's easier. Less stress on the thumb.
What this has inspired in my desire is a more comprehensive cross cultural comparison of what common inventions the world over have been used to symbolize in art: a comparison of the similarities, differences and connections or exclusive originations of symbols, like the swastika, cross in a circle, clubs, spears, bows, and animal symbols. I think this would be an really good video topic. Also noticed than none of the North American city building cultures were considered pristine. Is there not enough, or evidence known of contact from outside the mississippian culture or pueblo culture to consider them pristine?
I think simply because they come so late in history. But I don't know enough about them to say for sure.