I also don't think that there was an advanced super civilization in the same way I do not believe in the tooth fairy, Elvis is alive, Paul is dead, the world would end in 2012 and Hitler is still alive.
As a law student currently writing a dissertation centred on misinformation, I'm finding the single biggest problem to be a lack of empathetic engagement from academics and educators. It creates a void that the imagination can fill in the absence of a scientific mind. Often times, the goodwiled engagement that academics end up doing can be condescending and even counterproductive. By taking your time to do these videos in the way that you do, you do a great service to your field, even if it isn't the research that might interest you or your colleagues. Your doing for history what is sadly lacking in other fields. Thank you.
There are programs and channels that go over any aspect of academics that you can imagine. But there's differences in common understanding between subjects. My background is in genetics, I've gotten literally 1000s of questions over covid. First came "is it going to be like 1918 or just the flu," ignoring that 1918 WAS influenza. But the big one was "Is the vaccine safe?" Short answer is "yes." But going over all the checks and balances, statistics, legal requirements, chemistry, how immune responses work... it got to be a book. I really got to feel the old quote "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." At the end of all of it I'll admit I just started saying "take the damn vaccine." For history most people can see the tools. But mixing chemicals together... well people tend to be suspicious over what they cant see. I haven't found a nice way around that.
@@Evolver8484 I agree, I think thats where trust comes in. To some extent, for non-academics knowledge of science does just boil down to belief. Thats why tone is so important. As frustrating as it might be, if an ancient aliens conspiracy theorist is more engaging, accessible and less patronising then a lot of folks are going to be drawn in on that basis alone. Same for vaccines I suspect.
@@WorldofAntiquity It’s true! The ancient aliens Atlantis stuff is so pervasive, it’s refreshing to see someone present counterpoints to all that in a watchable and approachable way. Even for people who already know it’s bs, it’s nice to talk out the reasons why
I'm now a teacher for various subjects, of wich I all enjoy very much, at Highschool in Lower Saxonia; didn't plan or forsaw it but am very glad that my career developed this way. One of this subjects is history. Every new class I start with a timeline of humanity starting 300,000 years ago wich I draw on the blackboard. My students are always impressed about the fact how little of that is known history. There is always an engaged debate about the question why it took so long to build our civilisations and our technology. When I present how much we in fact know about the climate, the fauna, the population of different human species it never fails to be sufficient and convincing as an explanation. I myself am awestruck by the depth of time (and space) and hope I'm doing a good enough job in teaching facts not fiction. Sadly we rarely have time for antiquity. But for my private education I enjoy your work very much!
It's attractive to be "in on the secret knowledge", and much easier to accept these fanciful things than to accept civilization arose out of a very messy trial and error- with error being the norm more often than not.
@@oltch. how so? I don't believe there was a historical Atlantis, so what secret knowledge would I have? I apologize if I wrote something that offended you.
you write your name in greek, ok, can be interesting, science: energy cannot be created nor destructed you cannot create information out of nothing ...science ..that is what science says.....interesting contradictions of science
@FilthyDankWastemanFabuless mmmhhnoh, the enregy gets distributed does not get disintegrated cammon, man is the first anyone learns in science, now you are a conspiracy theorist ?? you believe in lost ancient tech? ;)
10:08 For those who are interested in the topic of polygonal masonry. A number of methods for obtaining the polygonal masonry are proposed. The basis of the proposed methods is the use of clay/gypsum replicas, reduced clay models of stone blocks and a 3D-pantograph, as well as a topography translator. The results are presented in the article: “Fabrication methods of the polygonal masonry of large tightly fitted stone blocks with curved surface interfaces in megalithic structures of Peru”. I do not provide a direct link, because RUclips does not allow a comment with this link. Search by the article title.
I have a couple of conceptual problems there, those people had no wheeland all that, but they first had the idea of building with those shapes..and sizes...for which they wouldn´t have tools...but they had that device for reproducing the shapes of the adjacent blocks....seems contradictory...is insisting on a certain idea a bit obssesively, and again and again not having any fisical improvement in the real world,with real materials and tools described plus, again the timing, using that method they would still starting to build tomorrow... this thing of massive texts assuring some theory, but no real practical tests...?...I donnou...that is supposed to be science, they want us to call it science...just a massive text with some photos of walls and drawings, if someone cares about ending with fake news and crazy theories, someone will have to provide real practical improvements with real tools and in real conditions, otherwise is just only text.
"The work provides a description of techniques, which apparently were used by builders who arrived from Europe." Are you saying the Peruvian polygonal masonry was done by Europeans??
@@airthrowDBT no, ivilizations of the past were connected, the knowledge was common and shared by all the origins ? who knows, not archeologists, for sure, here min 03:00, a dolmen built atop a pyramid..in china , Miano only says his own frustrations and fixations...ruclips.net/video/FpL5c3xRlEs/видео.html&lc=UgyOZDxwHU14eYuk3Dp4AaABAg.9aXVxyLjz_R9aY3YG95qab
@@airthrowDBT Yes, the theory is, in fact, race based because non-white people are considered too primitive and undeveloped to do anything. I was teaching an international class and one of the Hidalgos [white pure blood European Spaniard] from Latin America said, "The megalithic structures in Peru couldn't have been built by "Indios" because they were too primitive." I was shocked and was trying to decide how to correct him when it was, fortuitously, taken out of my hands by the students. The students from Mexico, India and the Middle East were incensed by this and basically pointed out that their non-white ancestors were building cities when Europeans were still living in caves. I only exerted authority by insisting that they had to be polite, take turns presenting and refuting factual evidence, not biased opinions. Their homework was to come up with a final fact based conclusion. The class actually went overtime, and the janitors had to throw us out to do their evening work. I tried to let the students work through the information as fact checker and referee rather than imposing my own views. Like Professor Miano, when the students demanded that I tell them my position, I gave them the professional consensus, that the earliest known civilizations were in China, Egypt, Mesopotamia, and possibly the Aegean. As far as known at the time, the civilizations in the Americas developed independently later, but their main cities sometimes were better and more populous than those in contemporary European civilizations. Many of the "Atlantis Theories" are an attempt to prove that White people, Aryans, were the source of all developments. The Nazis didn't invent this, it was already in circulation, but they did make it more virulent. Most unfortunately, such things still exist.
Even if a lot of people don’t agree with you, we must appreciate the "..yet" you added at the end of the video title. You didn’t need to add that. It makes you appear much more sincere and open minded. Thank you and stay well Mr. Antiquity.
What you are missing out is that some of the artifacts CANNOT be done in either the times claimed with the tools claimed, or AT ALL with the tools claimed. I suggest you read the Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt by Christopher Dunn. The ancient builders were certainly stellar at building. They just had more advanced machines than have been found and were not made with copper chisels and saws with sand like Egyptologists (who are not builders) would have you believe.
For example, you CANNOT quarry megalithic stones with the angles we have seen on abandoned stones, by bashing diorite balls against granite. The angles left do not match up to the stones we have seen that have been partially worked.
@@airthrowDBT So? Maybe they didn't use the diorite rocks for everything? Maybe they had the intelligence to use a variety of tools for a variety of tasks in hand. I think the ancient stonemasons were not the stupid ones here.
@@OldieBugger Again, I think the ancient stone masons were highly intelligent. I'm not sure how you can ask "SO?" to the possibility that they must've had MUCH more advanced tools than are in the historical record, it literally changes human history. It's worthy of a lot more than a "SO?"
@@OldieBugger And if you're trying to imply that I'm stupid, I build things for a living, what do you do with tools every day? It seems like you're out of your element or don't know much about megaliths...which is it?
For those who don't understand, he is not saying that he is certain that we already know everything and there is zero possibility that a technologically advanced civilization existed, he is saying that the proponents of those theories haven't presented credible evidence and their methods and retoric are flawed, I'm sure that any person that studies history like him would be the most excited about a discovery of that caliber but also knows that claims that important requires even more scrutiny
Well said. The nonsense that academics would hide or ignore evidence that proves a new theory, to maintain the status quo, or threaten their highly paid (lol) careers is so ludicrous! If the evidence is there, any academic would be thrilled to present an exciting new theory - but they’re not going jump on board without evidence! That would be a real risk to their careers!!
@@buttercxpdraws8101 while I absolutely agree, it is also true that stigmatizatiom of certain topics can create some friction in the evidence > conclusion > consensus chain of academia. Particulary where the stigma affects the funding of the very research necessary to evidence the stigmatised theories. An open but critical mind is what's required.
I get so sick and tired of people with fanciful theories that lack academic rigor who spend all their time whining about how "the establishment" won't take them seriously instead of actually trying to find evidence for their theories. I swear to god at a certain point that becomes 99% of their content and I just find it insufferable. I'm not in the market for apersecution complex lol. I'd rather know the truth.
@@buttercxpdraws8101 "but they’re not going jump on board without evidence! That would be a real risk to their careers" Depends what you mean by "jump on board". If you mean loudly proclaiming it is true without forming a convincing case and presenting a paper to properly put your point across I would say yes - even then as Dr Miano has stated before the paper would go through peer review and be brought to account if obvious errors where shown to be present, and I doubt that the good doctors career was in trouble for any of these occasions. I think a career would only be in trouble if you were essentially perceived as bringing the entire field into disrepute by completely side stepping peer review and going full PR mode on your own - that is when it becomes less about the science and more about the same kind of self aggrandizement and public exploitation which makes the likes of Foerster and Hancock so detestable.
i think a lot of us take the modern age technological advancements for granted because of how influential they have been on our lives to the point of shaping how we perceive the world. this means people are susceptible to look at historical technology in a condescending perspective (unconsciously) not being charitable enough to assume that ancient people are capable of building such ancient technology. it is an interesting behavior shown by our fellow people.
Yeah - it reminds me of Victorian attitudes to the 'barbarians' of Africa and other tribal nations. Needing to be saved because they are not as enlightened. Rather than people acknowledging we all have the same brains, that ancient people could work stuff out and become masters in using the tools and techniques they have to use. Look at people doing ice sculptures with chainsaws. I wouldn't believe that was possible if I hadn't seen videos on it. . . But I agree with your bias. People just think pre-history is full of stereo typical Neanderthal types until sudden industrial revolution. . . Not people learning, growing and making the knowledge we work off today. Heck - if something happened to technology - how many of the day to day things people take for granted can we continue to make.? How many people will be able to make toilet paper when we just run the machines that make our stuff. . .
@@sociallyferal4237 exactly, industrial revolution has changed our lives so much that we forgot that it takes gradual process to build a technology. It presumably took years to build a pyramid but its more easier to dismiss that notion and just presume that its impossible to build such a thing without something as advanced or even more than modern technology. Its a matter of how are attitude is towards the ancient world, hence its a bigger vindication that we understand more about ancient worlds because we know so little.
@@sociallyferal4237 Well, yes but no. The excuse was a charitable saving of the barbarians from themselves. The reality was exploitation of the resources of those nations and the populace to work them. Africa wasn't perfect when Europe returned to it - but it was in a far better place than it was when the various colonizing European states left those nations to their own devices within the last century. Point of fact the hunting of elephants and rhinos for their ivory used to be a somewhat tribal right of passage - and the coming of European colonizers turned it into a trade responsible for the extinction of some and the critically endangered state of others. We are quite easily indentifiable as the savages in this scenario.
@@nanoglitch6693 "This is actually the opposite of the perspective of the people that were found to be living amongst these ruins" Why assume that just because they live there that they have any accurate knowledge of those who came before? I live in England. Does that mean I somehow know everything pertinent about the Romans that once occupied the British Isles? About the Vikings? Even about the Anglo Saxons for whom England is named? Let alone about the Celtic and Druidic peoples that dominated before the Roman occupation? Of course not - you should acquire a bit of basic common sense before "exerting your uneducated assumptions until you actually know about some of this". There are places all over the world that have suffered various invasions and occupations which have diluted any history which was not lost simply from a lack of writing it down - assuming that a later invader did not simply destroy written historical records as the Catholic priests accompanying the conquistadors did in South America.
One thing I find people are very presentist about in this regard is patience. Just because they're used to a certain thing being done in X amount of time, they assume it was impossible that something that could have been done in a period-appropriate fashion was done that way just because... it would take a long time.
There were “advanced” ancient peoples, we call them Neolithic humans, and there is boat loads of archeological evidence for them. They had thousands of years of experience (and most certainly oral tradition) related to working with stone. They knew which stone was better for different things. They knew where to find this stone. The knew how to work it. They even developed all the technologies required for the Bronze Age to happen. It’s clear that non-academics tend to underestimate how “advanced” Neolithic humans were. But I also think academics haven’t done the best job communicating on this subject either. The gap between these two is a fertile valley for all kinds of pseudo-intellectuals to plant their seeds.
Indeed, also it is rather silly to assume that we dug up the last interesting thing from the neolithic era. Many people also overestimate the speed of evolutional change among human beings, genetically we hardly differ from these people.
They invented pitch. Holy sheep dip! Neandertal really blows me away man. Two egg shells, birch bark and a bed of glowing hot coals. BAM!! Pitch, mind blown. flying saucers indeed.
@@chriskelly6574 It's already amazing that Neanderthals hunted huge animals and lived in Europe during the ice age. You need some serious survival skills for that. Oh, and in terms of art and religion they also seemed to have some stuff going on. There is a structure built by Neanderthals in a cave in France, built from stalagmites and stalagtites and so deep within that cave that they needed artificial light (probably fatty bones) to be able to see in there. It didn't seem to have been a place to actually live, so the hypothesis is that they built it for some symbolic purpose, like for rituals or something.
@@johannageisel5390 Do you remember being a young child? Do you remember how the world and your imagination were joined 'differently' than today. We have so many byast that it is hard for us to relate now with all our soft living. It wasn't religion, that is modern cultural dogma, they were exploring the frontiers of earth and mind.
I want to note that the comet impact hypothesis has nothing to do with ancient advanced civilizations. Some people do try to tie it in to AAC theories, but it is completely independent. It is really more of a planetary science thing. I know that Dr. Miano isn't linking the YDIH with AAC generally, just pointing out that some people are trying to do that.
The problem becomes when you look at who is behind the bulk of the YDIH is in fact the same people pushing an ancient high tech lost civilization or at least tie themselves to such in their own work.
My point is that the two ideas exist independently of each other. People try to put them together for other purposes, but neither exists to serve the other. Further, the scientists who investigate the YDIH aren't doing it to support any AAC ideas. The geologists and chemists and planetary scientists studied physical geological and chemical evidence in the ground to support the conclusion that there was an impact around the time of the YD. Other people took that conclusion the same way they take any scientific result they don't fully comprehend in order to create support for their fringe ideas. Having said that, any real historian or scientist will look for ways new information affects our view of the world, and update the existing theories. It would be extremely unlikely for something to upset our beliefs in a way that calls for the complete rewrite of the existing worldview.
@@TheEricthefruitbat yes, they are separate topics. Nonetheless, the two are linked by the AAC crowd themselves. They also do their own research on the subject and as Dr. Miano pointed out even got to peer review where it didn't exactly achieve consensus. They are looking for an extinction event, which would be the right course of action if there was any evidence for an AAC being wiped out around that time. Funnily enough, their research was funded by a creationist university. Guess that crowd is also interested in some hot ancient stories of reset. I mean, they are so desperate they would be willing to trade God for aliens if it could be proven.
I honestly believe that the stone work done by our ancient ancestors was so remarkable is because they actually cared about their work and actually took pride in it , unlike the majority of people today that look down on jobs that require actual physical labor . The ancients were masters of stone working .
They didn't have machines to make things easier, which is why so many essential skills are now disparaged. That pile of bricks for sale at Lowe's came out of a factory full of machines: a few centuries ago, manual labor mixed and poured the clay into molds, then more manual labor transported the air-dried bricks to the kiln, where more laborers kept up the fire until they were baked. That took longer. The people of the past knew tricks we've forgotten because they had to.
“Pride” and “care” do not result in perfectly geometric shapes that align with mathematical perfection to astronomical pattern. I’m my opinion, at least.
Pride and care do not allow you to quarty and carry 70 ton perfectly carved ultra hard stone, to place it with surgical precision at a height higher than the Statue of Liberty in a building we have no real explanation for. While at the same time showing thousands of equally amazing works. Pride and care can help you do 1 or a few of such items. Not thousands of amazing precision. Thousands, at such precision... is more industry than it is artistry.
@@emartinezr if you're referring to the Giza pyramids: most of the stones they were built from were not of the "ultra hard" kind, granite was only used for the burial chambers and a few corridor linings and blocking stones, the rest of it was mostly made of rather soft lime stone, and for the parts not visible from the outside or the interior corridors they didn't go for "surgical precision" either, quite the contrary actually.
@@hartmutholzgraefe actually the massive granite blocks in the inner chambers of the great pyramid are a mystery. Blocks of 80tonnes, transported 900km, and then aligned together, and also in conjunction with other blocks as the structure was being built, so that corridors and shafts would perfectly align. Not so blocks were the same size either.... This actually makes it harder to make the whole thing align, got together, and create the whole structure. The only thing we know about how they were built, is that the best theories on how they were built are completely bogus.
The excitement on David's face in that "Conclusion" section is so infectious, and I totally see why. Discovering ancient lost settlements and cultures is still unbelievably cool without needing to be wrapped up in an extra layer of Atlantean magic-like fantasy.
These guys are consistently carrying out the fun activity of identifying patterns, with just enough research so they can feel smart but not enough to get bored, and coming up with great stories. And then getting paid millions of dollars to do so whilst earning the undying adulation of many. A part of me is kind of jealous to be honest. The lack of videos such as this great one where their terrible arguments are methodically debunked by anyone with an academic background or at least a somewhat cynicial mind is kind of mind boggling. Thanks for the video!
Not me i feel sorry for these RUclips fakers. I consider channels like this to anti education and should be illegal and the owners assets sold and the money put back into the education system to counter the rubbish this channel posts. I will even go as far as saying channels like this and religious channels are child abuse on global scale.
Well said. These people make lots of money and are being taken seriously by millions on Joe Rogan & Netflix viewers. So hundreds of grifters copy the same nonsense .Now there are thousands of lazy channels & tik tokers makin stupid claims to get those juicy views & likes.
I love how you articulate everything around measurements and weight. I’m an experienced stonemason, I can literally move a half ton stone with nothing more than a trowel. I saw once something about how we can’t get something within a certain point of a degree to the square even today yet they managed it with the pyramids as if it’s mega difficult to get square. All it takes is a straight edge and a compass to bisect a line to make a square within said tolerance. These guys prey on the uneducated and/or gullible to believe their own narratives. We learnt in the first month of college what half of these guys are preaching is insanely difficult. You only need to look at the cathedrals of Europe, which I can assure you are a far greater technical feat than a pyramid regardless of when they were built
As measurement lab worker I would also like like to add: did they used up to date calibrated and certified tools? Are they trained in proper use of precision measurement tools - like letting tool to get acclimated to surrounding and than recalibrate with etalon? Were those tools properly stored or did they had them in backpack while riding jeep through rocky landscape?
I find this channel to be a big relief. Does it contain the whole truth? No. And it doesn’t claim to. It’s just a big vote in a big voice in the direction of logic and rationality. The wonderful thing that it does is to put me in the position of really marveling at what mankind has been able to accomplish using brain power and manpower.
Kurzgesagt has a video entitled Are there lost alien civilizations in our... Your opinion on the subject matter would be awesome to hear, and the video is only 11 minutes long. As always, quality content on a top tier channel. Thank you for your time Dr.Miano.
I just watched a video that showed how a hole was "drilled" in granite. I think they were from Indonesia??? It wasn't done with a drill bit, but with a dull chisel and two workers. One handles the chisel (rotating it with each strike) and the other handles the sledge hammer. They work as a team and crush the granite. They remove the pulverized granite dust out of the hole and continue. They couldn't "drill" all the way through, so they flipped it and matched the hole from the other side. I was totally impressed. I never thought to crush granite to make a hole." It is not in my experience " as you said. I am use to drill bits. Anyway this project is to hang a granite bell in Hawaii.... I believe.... it might be for a temple complex?? I am not sure. I just thought I would share.
@@WorldofAntiquity I watch the video within the last week or so. It is titled, "Stone Bell Hole Drilling," it was actually made 13 years ago. It was work done for an Iraivan Temple for Kauai's Hindu Monastery. I think you'll like it...... it is granite. Best regards.
The problem is that everyone rushes to make a "discovery" for their own personal motives, monetary gains and the sort. Most of the proponents of these theories have spent ZERO days in the field and some have ZERO expertises in what they are talking about. They spent most of the times giving interviews while scientists are digging trenches and analysing artefacts up close using the scientific method. Freedom of speech is one thing but not all opinions are equal. Educators like yourself should make it clear to students/audience on what it takes in terms of actual work before you can open your mouth and talk about a scientific field. I hope that credible theories do not receive less funding because of how popular these alternative theories have become with the mainstream.
Well, anyone can make a claim about something, but in the end, they will be asked to "Prove it". While new hypnosis always sound exciting and cool, there has to be some kinda proof that these new ideas are valid. So until someone produces even a little evidence that some as of yet unknown civilization once existed, the claim is just that, an unproven theory.
"Advanced civilisations were on the coast". But, as you said, people settled near supplies of fresh water. Paris, Brussels, Berlin, Warsaw, Vienna, Munich, Prague, Kyiv...they're inland. Are they not part of our "advanced" civilisation? I grew out of von Daniken and his ilk. Obviously, others didn't.
I think major changes in society like the fall of the Bronze Age, impacted a lot of the myth stories that today people associate with things like Atlantis. I mean if I was an Athenian in 400 BCE, I would have been in awe of the stories of Minoan civilizations 1000 years earlier.
@@speedwagon1824- There were some Bronze Age civilizations that fell out of power, but the era itself didn't fall apart. People outside of those civilizations still used bronze and had many of the same skills: the problems would have been obtaining resources and labor.
@@speedwagon1824 the "bronze age collapse" wasn't the fall of the bronze age. The first is the name given to a bunch of people moving around and attacking some of the major cities at the time in a certain area. The bronze age is just an era that has a different time frame all over the world for when people were using bronze, before they widely used iron.
Excellent video. I remember, before my round the world backpacking trip in 2003 and 2004 reading about the precise and incredibly accurate "moulded" stone blocks of the ancient Inca and in particular a surviving wall in Cusco that was so well built something as thin as a credit card could not fit between the stones. Firstly a credit card isn't that thin so not being able to fit one in doesn't really point to high precision. However I was disappointed when I discovered at many points along said wall, I could indeed comfortably fit a credit card in! The meaning of high precision seems to be very subjective amongst pseudo archaeologists.
@@jamisojo I've subconsciously been doing that exact same appraisal every time I hear the overstated significance of this "I couldn't slide a (insert thin object here) between some blocks" trope, though mine was in the form of a non-verbal eyeroll every time I heard that regurgitation of this beloved, yet increasingly underwhelming platitude (wasn't it originally a razor blade?) from atop the pseudo-skeptic's greatest hits of uncritically parroted conspiracy hymns and pointless experiments, but you just articulated it for me more concisely
I recently learned that there were burnt limestone mortar based terrazzo floors in the Tepes -- Göbleki and Karahan -- plus a few other sites with Turkish names that I am unable to verbalize. That's pretty impressive for a pre-pottery culture. There was an image of a doorway in your video, from some Indian (artificial) caves whose name I can't remember, but their extreme precision is awesome, and often cited as "proof of concept" for an ancient advanced civilization. However, I am unable to imagine what kind of technology that could have been used manufacture the glass polished surfaces, etc. All I can see is a gruelling amount of hand work that must have required an even more gruelling amount of planning, for no obvious reason, so I associate it with Indian philosophy -- hermits, yogis, sadhus, that sort of thing -- who venerated the simplicity of mathematical form manifest in art work. It seems to me that the concept of "primitive tools" is based in a fundamental misunderstanding of stone work. Generally speaking, there's nothing a machine can do that the hand can't do by far better. It only takes more time and effort.
"I am unable to imagine what kind of technology that could have been used manufacture the glass polished surfaces" A standard circular sanding/polishing power tool could polish it up a treat for sure - but as you say there is nothing a machine could do that human hands cannot do given the appropriate skill, time, effort and engineering knowledge. That being said it does not preclude the use of some kind of power tool relying on a source of energy other than electricity such as diverted water driving a wheel and machinery, or some other kind of similar machinery based on harnessing a windmill to do much the same. Obviously such machines would not easily be made viable inside a cave, but for the works on the Old Kingdom ancient Egyptian pyramids it does bare consideration at least.
Check out the polished jade axes of the Neolithic in NW Europe. These were sourced from a specific quarry in the Alps and distributed as probably high status, sacred items (from a beautiful Alpine mountain top where divinities dwell) across NW Europe. They are cut out (with wood wedges and antler picks) and polished for hours at a time until they are shiny and smooth and incredibly beautiful. Archaeology has been mapping their distribution across France, Rhineland, the British Isles, Ireland. These are hand made precision objects of great beauty! They precede the introduction of metallurgy. They were made by skilled Neolithic craftsmen.
@@mnomadvfx Sorry about that, I see now that my comment was misleading. Polishing a surface is of course possible with a range of various tools, what I meant to say is that it's hard to imagine what power tools that could have been used to create the spaces (lest you want to go down the "magical" rabbit hole).
@@beurksman "Stone age" isn't a very precise time denomination. The Tepes can be said to be late Mesolithic or early Neolithic, depending on what definition you prefer, but either way I am more impressed by the plaster than by the rock carvings. Professionally speaking I am a pensioner now but I used to be a stone mason so on account of that I'm particularly interested in ancient historical (and pre-historical) stone work.
🤭Yes. As an aside. Many people - usually those who have never actually been to college - try to mischaracterize it as simply "pounding facts into the heads" of the students. That of course is facile logic. Yes in higher education there is a lot of emphasis upon classroom interaction. Instructors tend to impart what are critical concepts they desire their students to understand. Yet a considerable amount of work in college is actually completed = outside the classroom. So things like writing papers and projects which require the individual to do research are the really important takeaway. Rather than being viewed as "makework" exercises they serve a more important purpose. They compel the student = to learn how to "teach themselves" + how to impart that in an intelligent manner. Moral of the story: once upon a time I went to college like many others and there I learned much. The biggest thing I learned however as alluded to above was how to do research so as to be able to answer my own questions in a structured manner so as to arrive at plausible evidence-based results. Unlike those who today "self-research" online to usually end up with poor assumptive results which are a reflection of their own confirmation bias - research conclusions in college must be supported by compelling evidence. Further that is as as noted presented in a cogent manner. These are the lifeskills one takes away as they are employed for the rest of your life - whereas given facts of a time can change when new more compelling understanding comes to light. 🤔 _"Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for the rest of his life"_ _"Teach a person to teach themselves = and they will likely never fall prey to willful ignorance and misdirection."_
Great video as usual. But, as usual also, the comments section can be very depressing... I for one wouldn't have the courage and commitment to go on with this battle, I would certainly feel helpless. Which makes me want to thank you even more, I guess. And give a pat on the shoulder.
Thank you for making videos on this topic. Like many, I was quick to become fascinated with the idea of an advanced ancient civilisation. But while all the theorising and speculation made me very curious, I wanted to know whether or not there was any actual, undeniable evidence to the existence of such a civilisation, even if it was just a small number of things, or even just one instance of proof that could not be explained any other way. Your channel takes on that angle, looking at proposed evidence in good faith, but with a much needed critical approach.
Yes there is evidence in the form of more and more ancient archeological finds that are pushing humanity further and further back in time. Recently there have been some finds pushing that date back to 2.2 million years. As incredible as this is, it is in fact true. So this goes along with what the ancient civilization group theorizes. Some of these structures were built long before the Egyptians and there is no doubt that the Egyptians worked on top of an already existing structure of some type. It is about the same as the Romans built on top of Baalbek. As always some folks HAVE to claim, NO, we built it just like some folks had to insist that the sun revolved around the Earth.
Ancient societies had different building techniques that appear incredible to modern observers because those techniques were lost as technology changed. Even between different ancient societies there are different techniques needed, for example when the labor is man power or beast power, and this can give different resulting structures.
A voice of sanity. It's make me happy listening to you. I do try to explain to people. the same things your talking about but it's difficult. When most people understand very little about history or science .
Lucky students.. You are EXACTLY the kind of teacher any student should have!!! You know, you alter, you adapt, you teach... Your classes must be very VERY interesting. Thank you for posting your knowledge on the internet, so that old farts like me, can gain what knowledge you have and teach!
It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a notion without accepting it. You sir are.a treasure. Im so grateful for your videos. You fill that void with good debate. I hope more find your channel as i did.
I don’t like this video, I love it. Dr. Miano, this was the most thorough, interesting, and non-condescending “lost ancient civilizations” debunking video I’ve ever seen. You included excellent points alive never heard or even thought about before, and I’m certain it will stimulate some productive discussions and critical thinking about this often decisive topic. Thank you for all you do!
Yeah, I love this fair and analytical style of rebuttal. Non-condescending is very important. Thats also why I love Stefan Milo’s videos on the subject. When I was briefly brainwashed by Graham Hancock for a few days, I’d come across videos that felt very condescending and “looking down their nose at you” and it would put me off. God I was stupid for letting what turned out to be pseudoscience actually convince me. I always laughed at people who believed in psychics, astrology, and homeopathy. I always envisioned myself to be beyond that stuff. I actually thought Graham Hancock was an expert historian and archaeologist until I decided to Google him beyond what I’ve seen from uncontested one-sided RUclips shorts. It’s the biggest lesson for me to learn to never turn off the skeptic in my head. Edit: And my god, I had no idea Graham Hancock argued the ancients used telekinesis to move blocks. Holy shit. I’m now even more embarrassed for falling for him.
I think this channel is definitely underselling how stairs ~had to be~ developed once and then hyper- diffused out to the rest of the world. Maybe from the Azores, or maybe Mars or something. Because stairs are simply too weirdly peculiar to have been invented more than once, by disparate cultures over long swaths of time. Stands to reason. And yeah, from blond or red haired master craftsmen, of course. Because of... reasons. Sarcasm filter "off". New subscriber btw. Love the channel, please keep up this indispensable work.
Petra is a good lost civilization They don’t have a clue .. These Miles of tombs ...in a desert Need a lot of water to carve up so much Thirsty work .. But some tribe of Merchants or Rich traders just built Thousands of Houses of Stone Inyo Mountains.. Can we solve that one Then go on from there Other wise we’re just playing around
Petra is there now ... Why are these realities not admitted We don’t know s damm thing about it If the Romans didn’t know about it Then it is a lost civilization.. They would have found it Known .. Somebody would have Told them the architecture Looks like Roman but not Roman Who invented them the Greeks Who else .. How could it not be Known till recent times..The civilization in Turkey the temple of Jupiter .thats lost in plain sight The Romans again ?
I don't agree that the invention of stairs independently in different regions at different times 'defies logic'. The simplest way to facilitate moving up a grade would be an inclined plane or ramp. The problem is, the steeper the incline, the more readily one could slip and fall while attempting to walk up it. It would seem intuitive to place ridges at the approximate distance of the average footstep to help facilitate safe climbing, which would have evolved over time into the steps that we are familiar with today. You can see this precursor today on nature trails where there is a steep grade and logs are placed across the trail at intervals to prevent erosion and ease walking up the trail.
we have divine blood without any need for made up stories to prove that but it got dirtier since normally it was spreading everywhere and growing in numbers rapidly when food supply was increasing but maybe we aren't eating real food anymore it would explain a lot
So the sea level didn't rise following the end of the ice age? And coastal settlements cities weren't lost? Perhaps not the lost Atlantis empire, but a civilization at least as advanced as the city states of Greece or Sumer. I admire Dr. Miano's scientific skepticism, but just as with Carlson or Hancock, he has found his own niche, and he appears to turn a blind eye to any contradictions to maintain it.
As a geodetic engineer, thank you for pointing out that exact measurements do not exist, but always contain an indication of accuracy, i.e. a combination of mean result, reliability and precision. As an example, there are two people standing on a roof in Paris looking at the Eiffel Tower. They both guess the distance between them and the landmark. One says between 5 and 10km, the other says between 7 and 8km. They each look it up on Google Maps and both find a distance of 7.5km. Both guesses or eyeball measurements had the same accuracy, their guessed mean distance was the same as their measurements in Maps. But the first one had the best reliability and poorest precision. The second one had the poorest reliability and the best precision. But here's the kicker: the measurements they chose as a decider measurement, they made in Google Maps, potentially far more accurate (more reliable and precise) than their eyeball guesses could ever be. However, their results were supposedly exactly the same, 7.5km and e.g. not 7.495 and 7.528, but probably between 7.4 and 7.6km, or a precision of 200 metres. It could also have been that one measured 7.8km and the other 7.2km and that they averaged their Maps results to end up with 7.5km. The unit resolution of their guesses determined the precision they needed from Google Maps to decide their bet, which was only needed in kilometres, pius or minus a half. So in reality their guesses were neither exactly right, but simultaneously both were 'exactly right'. The first guesser had a much higher probability of getting it right. The second guesser was far more precise.
There is a mancala game hollowed out on one of the blocks that either built the Pyramids, or was discarded in the process. Something was bolloxed up up ahead, and the workers got themselves an extended "smoke break." But since tobacco wasn't discovered, they had to settle for mancala.
Great video, I think it’s always important to have both sides of the evidence shown in a proper professional manner. With no toxic debates, this can help spread knowledge the right way, once again, great video.
I like to think that it might be possible that there were ancient advanced civilizations. However, I also understand that they are most likely confined to the realm of stories and legends.
We have developed almost all modern science in a few hundred years. If just the higher tech aspects stopped now, certain elements would be stories in a few hundred years and pure legends in about a thousand. Name one person you know that can manufacture a cell phone despite knowing all about one... Or better yet just imagine the circle of people in your life and ask yourself honestly which ones can even live without the modern grid.
I've been following the theories of Ancient Astronauts, Lost Civilizations, and Ancient High Technology for a while. Even from the start, I didn't literally believe most of it, but I did find some of it interesting or entertaining. But in time, I grew frustrated, because it seemed like some parties weren't even trying to find the truth but just making stuff up. Like, that one guy - some know - who used to point out everything circular as a space helmet. The theories have shifted over time. I mean back in the space age it was more focused on ancient flying chariots and astronauts. Then in information age it's seemed to shift to academic cover-ups are to blame. (In part this was true, but not often in the extent suggested.) Now when modern people are focused on issues like climate change, the theories about the past focus on ancient climate change caused by cataclysms. So, the theories of the past, especially fringe ones, seem to be a mirror of our present and speak to what we are concerned with in our age. For example, there is and was in the past bigotry and racial bias and that led to Euro-centric academics and theorists buying into the linear progressive view of history in which the more ancient peoples must be more primitive even - disparagingly - "savages". This has meant that when artifacts that exhibit human craft and cleverness and engineering are found "the primitives" can't have made it, thus these aliens and dynastic races appear to be advanced and do things primitives that must exist in the past can't. But that's like the bigoted bandage on the bigoted worldview. We should have just been declaring that ancient peoples were not "primitive" in the sense often applied. They had *different* technologies, including different ways of thinking and communicating, but were physically and mentally just like us today. They had their own geniuses and their own average people. They could adapt and problem solve. And I am certain some people who are into the idea of ancient civilizations do understand this. Their "lost civilization" was only lost in the sense that it wasn't being perceived and acknowledged. Like, when we were *not* taught that any Native Americans had cities due to various political and racial biases. But they had cities and towns and monuments and trade and astronomy, etc. But there are also those who make claims of "lost ancient high technology" which confusingly seem to be saying that clever feats of engineering and craft were accomplished in the past but that because they were told it was a primitive time with primitive people then it must mean that they somehow had access to advanced tools or technologies. And it's not always clear from one theorist to the next whether they are thinking the people were also more advanced than previously taught (true in cases where the linear progression was formerly asserted to exist) or whether they are just replacing the "dynastic race" or "aliens" concept with "a more ancient people from before an apocalypse". Surely humans did survive some climate changes and disasters. Not sure we *need* an ancient civilization to understand rise and fall of various cultures over time as events made it necessary to adapt. But we probably should acknowledge that people in ancient times whether 2000 or 10000 or 40000 years ago were people with their own intelligence and creativity and weren't necessarily any more "savages" than we are right now.
In 1949 we did not have the tech neccessary for space travel.... When a society decides something is important things can get done fairly quickly. Be it going to the moon or constructing monumental architecture.
@@joewilliams4153 Think you might need to read the original comment again he said Vincan not Incan look up the Vinca culture in Europe their prime was around 6500 BC
@@joewilliams4153 Do you mean the Caral-Supe civilization? the Inca weren't that old and many civilizations came before them. It's also very likely that the Caral-Supe civilization had some form of proto-writing.
I mostly enjoy your videos, including this one. I would enjoy seeing you do a comparison of the polygonal stonework from the different continents. Unfortunately the only videos I find on it are by the usual cast of characters. It fascinates me and others because it is so unique and certainly seems to be a distinct "style" that spans continents. It's not just stacking rocks, it is a very deliberate effort that also seems to leave a signature of some lost culture. Another big question I have regards the claims that evidence of tobacco and cocoa leaf use has been found in the tissues of mummies in Egypt. Both are New World plants. Would love to see you do videos on these.
While the mummy thing is intriguing, the test was all made on old mummies that was around for long in privat collections, then came to the museum. Contamination is a big issue when doing such analyses. Without finds on "new found mummies it's hard to tell this a truth. Also the used mummies are no more allowed to get new further analyses... so. For example tabacco was used a time to preserve mummies, the cocaine is an other problem, but it was largely used end 19th, and beginning 20th, without problems, so again, contamination is a hight possibility.
@@jamescromer550 he ? - i have read a full paper recently on Academia treating about these mummies, there was enought controversies about them and the analysis, but like said, without further analyses on them, and new cases found on other more recently found mummies, we will never be able to tell.
Can you please debunk the latest UnchartedX video? It's absolute rubbish as usual. I feel bad I used to believe that guy. Once he went on Joe Rogan I realized how disorganized he is with no hypothesis except everyone else is wrong. His latest video is a 3d scan of an old granite vase that he predictably says is too advanced and too perfect to have been made by Egyptians that we found them buried with.
We found all these objects buried with all these people.... but they are soooo pretty .... *sparkle sparkle* so shiny ... me no understand... me jealous ... how could someone in ancient times know how to do something I can't figure out😫😭😭.... impossible... Im so smart... I can see that there's no way the stuff buried with the people surrounded by the tools they used to make the stuff, could have been made by those people with those tools! Impossible I say. Aliens ARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHĤH. The irony of them so often using sheeple teem, Im sure is far from lost on you. As hilarious as their idiocy is, the alternative history conspiracy nonsense is catching on at an alarming rate and it's adhérants are zealous... I know I'm preaching to the choir. Good day, sir.
@@SeanMahoneyfitnessandartI very much appreciated your comment. Sadly yes they are zealous. It's funny how the people who claim to be so scientific are in fact the least scientific.
@JonnoPlays thankyou. And yes. 💯 exactly. You really want to take a dive down the rabbit hole of insanity.... check out the flat earth scene these days... yikes... SciManDan has a pretty good flat earth debunking channel that's pretty funny. He has flat earth Fridays and tinfoil Tuesdays. Professor Dave also does a lot of good debunking on religious stuff as well as hot button topics like the science of intersex people for example.. and of course Forest Valkai ... check them all out for entertaining debunking... but also be prepared to get frustrated by the insanity of the people they debunk... have fun.
Ancient lost civilization I believe in is that the early European farmers from anatolia that spread throughout the Mediterranean were much more advanced than we think. Not spaceships and lazers but much more interconnected, with larger cities and closer to or slightly more advanced than the Fertile crescent. That Monolithic builders of England, Sardinia and Caucasus were connected through complex trade networks. Only one from that continental civilization we studied well are the Minians, but think that there were more such cities and cultures all over Europe, especially around the black, Agean and Adriatic seas, A.K.A. where we actually find advanced civilizations already.
Great stuff David. Yes, I wonder about flood myths and the Black Sea inundation argument in the 6th millennium...there were some impressive settlements going on already in this time frame...wonder if any were on the coast of a giant freshwater lake at the time the Mediterranean came to visit the basin...
when I saw historical geographic changes of that region it really got my attention it for sure created Indoeuropean creation myths Slavs much later on were choosing to settle on islands surrounded by water or swamps it was a religious custom not only practicality
Just a great video. I know I'm not alone in really appreciating the knowledge and insight you share with us. I feel like I'm getting a free education and actually enjoying it. So again, well done.
"There are pyramids here and pyraminds there. It can't be a coincidence!" It's not. It's a really stable way to build something with ancient tools and resources.
Absolutely! ... and while we're building this lets make the 13 acre foundation perfect to 1/2 on one inch level. Mind as well line it up near perfect to cardinal points. How about we make some line up to winter/summer solstice? Here's another good idea, let's use 2 ton stones because they are so easy to excavate and transport. The only think left is to decide how many bedrooms to install. Never mind, let's just make one room and just bury people in it. Woah that's one hell of a tomb stone.
@@stevene9785 I would love to see evidence of the precision that you claim. That being said, I think I could pull a string tight to create a very straight line. Or, I could have someone put up markers between two points I'm staring at. That would also be a straight line. You didn't use the often quoted "can't fit a piece of paper or a credit card between those blocks" argument? Could that be due to everyday people walking up and sticking anything and everything between the blocks? 😉
@@jamisojo "That being said, I think I could pull a string tight to create a very straight line." Across 13 acres? LOL You think that because you do not understand engineering. They probably used a laser level to achieve a straight line over that distance. lol
I always struggle with the argument that mainstream historians/archaeologists etc couldn't acknowledge lost civilisations or changes to the current norm.....as if that's not what the vast majority of them dream of discovering.....
Great video! I have friends among the "alternative history" crowd, and, as an historian, it makes me a little batty! I have much more faith in humanity than to rely on aliens, etc. I also have a sense of certainty that there were advanced (for their time) civilizations, but also that they are younger than 12 thousand years. I look at neolithic settlements that were truly huge in population, but are dismissed because they lack centralized government and worship centers, and I think "that looks pretty advanced, 2000- 3000 years before Uruk..." but no flying cars or lightsabers (damnit!). Thank you for pointing out the improbabilities, while still keeping an open mind for lowered expectations.
I just found your channel and I've been binge-watching it. I'm so grateful for your videos debunking these myths. I used to believe them but my logic is running in the background of my mind. Again, thank you!
I know you are right, but I can’t get those ”bumbs” out of my mind… What are they and why do they appear in so many different places? Gives me a headache…
While I believe it’s quite possible that some myths were created from legends (which were in turn based on real events), they’ve become so derived that it’s (near) impossible to tell what (if anything) within them is true.
Unfortunately some of the conspiracies are motivated by bigotry, assumptions that certain civilisations were too primitive to have created monolithic artifacts.
I don't care if it's lost or not. I just want to know how they did it. How did they transport the stones, especially so fast . How did they cut them and lift them. Don't care about conspiracies
I always enjoy your videos which bring a measure of that valuable commodity common sense to an argument. Regarding misinformation (or, perhaps, misinterpretation) there was the case of 3 sets of humanoid footprints found in (then) Tanganyika during the early 19660s. They were considered by one commentator to be those of a family group and stretched for about 400 yards. He added that they were not tool-users as no tools had been found in association with the tracks. Actually, all that indicates is that, if they did possess tools, they could walk a quarter mile without dropping them. Regarding manufacturing accuracy with ‘crude’ tools, I have a slate disc of diameter approximately 25 cm. I have measured it’s diameter at 5 degree intervals and the variation is less than half of one percent. It was measured and scribed on a rough, rectangular blank using a stone scribes attached to a leather strap with the free end held under the maker’s thumb. The surrounding material was then gradually chipped away using a beach pebble. I know this because I watched it being done. Keep up the good work.
(For Context I wrote this before I finish the video) My biggest thing is: It depends how we are quantify “advanced”. Is this civilization advanced to me (As a 21st century westerner) or Is this advanced to a culture still foraging and napping flint? - What is the civilization advanced for the time period in comparison to its neighbors, or what we know of them. - What quantifies it as lost? Does the civilization itself have to be discovered? Or literally physically or lost to history/myth. - Because in my more “grounded” definition of a lost advanced civilization, we’ve discovered a few. Like the Nok civilization, Which by my metric could fit that classification as they were smelting iron centuries before we have any evidence of other cultures doing so. I would consider that sufficiently advanced. - I don’t think it’s inconceivable of a cultural site that was lost/abandoned during the desertification of the Sahara. (The Soninke left Dhar Tichitt and other cities in such an event.)
Respect for debunking common misconceptions of our ancient ancestors. These ancient people deserve respect. I find a lot of these conspiracies have some kind of racism rooted in their theories. They ask “how could these ancient people in Africa or Asian or Americas create such amazing things? Oh it must be tall white people from Atlantis or Aliens”. Not saying that all ancient advanced technology believe this, just seems to be a trend I’ve noticed.
Or tall white aliens from Atlantis. Yet they can never explain why their only evidence consists of over-interpreted artwork, ruins, and myths (aside from handwaving and invoking super-advanced technology that doesn't look like technology). Future archaeologists will be digging our stuff up and either wondering what it is because they're at the equivalent of the 19th Century, or wondering what it is because they're so advanced they can only be certain that we knew how to make synthetic materials.
Pretty sure everyone is aware that nations like Japan and China were just as competent as other high civilizations. Egypt is also a really good example.
@@jclive2860- Ancient Egyptians were seen as white for too long. Heirs to Atlantis. Asians were advanced, but.... Anything to keep the fantasy of white superiority alive.
It is really great to have someone with a scientific background speaking about this topic here on yt. I think it is really important to pass knowledge in a digestible way, as you do. Thank you for doing it. There is one good thing about those alternative theories, they draw the attention of average people, who have never had a chance to study this topic in detail at school. As a result they extend their knowledge even when they start with alternative views. Just by watching content with people travelling to ancient sites it is very educational. I also think questions like “did aliens (helped to) build it” or “did Atlantis exist?” are legit questions to ask. Because there is a chance that it might have happened - for now not really a big chance, but that chance exists. And I think it should not be ridiculed because "we are all astronauts on Spaceship called Earth" who are exploring this world and still have tons to learn.
Thanks for posting this content. I love ancient history and speculation about what could have existed in the distant past that we haven't discovered yet, and am loving this fact and evidence-based analysis of it.
Only recently i worked with a carpenter who did not know what a Stanley,Yankee screw driver was.thirty years ago they were the thing before drill drivers.
Hi, I was going to put this in one of your videos about Egypt, but here seems just as good. It concerns your comment about how you're open to a form of advanced -for-its-time ancient civilization before those currently known. I would assume that Upper and Lower Egypt wouldn't be too different from Egypt when it was unified a bit over 3000 BCE-they would have just been smaller versions of a united Egypt. That means they must have had writing for however many centuries before then, so writing must go back considerably further than a bit over 5,000 years ago. What are your thoughts? BTW, many years ago I read a book that posited a civilization that spread around the world about 4,000 BCE. Thor Heyerdahl's research was used as evidence for a culture that spread over much of the world,. IIRC, it was from Mesopotamia and it colonized places as far afield as Manila and Managua. In fact, it argued that similar "man" sounding names of coastal cities was another sign of this lost civilization.
I hate the Atlantis stuff- it's just really dumb and offensive. Real life archaeology is just so fascinating. All these strange civilisations arising in different parts of the world, all the differences between them, and all the similarities as well, the endlessly diverse, inventive responses to the challenges of getting through life that different cultures and eras have thrown up- it's utterly amazing. The Atlantis fans just seem to want to throw most of it out the window and to attribute all that variety and creativity to some unknowable monolithic culture that's either been carefully deleted from existence or was created by aliens. Despite the fact that they love to think of themselves as the open-minded ones, their vision of ancient history is stupid, devoid of interest in the human experience, and completely lacking in imagination. A lot of it's borderline racist as well- they generally seem a lot more invested in claiming that non-Europeans couldn't have created their architectural marvels than they are in denying the wonders created by Greece or Rome.
I've seen a bit of evidence of a lost advanced ancient civilization but when I say advanced I mean comparatively not necessarily modern levels of advance like the fact that during a time that was supposed to be even pre-agriculture people created gunung padang an 24,000 year old pyramid the size of a mountain granted it does have several layers that were believed to be made thousands of years apart from each other b different people groups but it's still impressive that they were able to create something so advanced so early on
I think (hopefully by not sounding too insulting) that people genuinely want to believe in a hidden history, in the process rejecting all serious scholarship and, frankly, the accomplishments of our ancestors, simply because it's too hard to accept that this is it. There has to be more to the life we see plainly in front of our eyes. There has to be more to our history than the simple narrative of one generation after the other making gradual, back breaking additions to civilization before mortality catches up and snuffs them out forever. I think that's where the beauty really lies. That human beings, all cultures and ethnicities, contributed like worker bees toward the betterment of life on this planet. It's a much more captivating story than aliens and giants and lost civilizations. Humans are amazing (well most of the time).
Very good point. Understanding and empathizing with what leads anyone to endorse such enchanting yet pseudoscientific, unsupported theories might be a big part of addressing their root causes, ultimately cessating the demand for such (almost certain) falsehoods.
I also think that people want to be entertained and certainly don't want to read a textbook. They clearly don't run around trying to disprove their own opinions. Once they have formed an opinion that satisfies their needs, changing it is not easy.
I am very interested in the idea of an ancient civilitzation and have had an interest on what mainstream historians had to say. I find your point of view very realistic and honest and has reduced the hype I had about the topic. I believe there were many attemps at civilitzation through several tens of thousands of years, attempts that most likely did not make it that far. With your expertise about the findingd of the time would you consider it realistic that several cultures tried at some point to had an established civilitzation and attempted to use agriculture but did not manage to get to the point of a grand civilitzation? Buildings most likely made out of wood with a such a low yield for their 'agriculture' that they would not have lasted long enough to flouridh and expand the attemps at proper agriculture. Seems to me very realistic that before the first successes there should have been many many failed attempts through several thousands of years. Even more so if there was huge animals that made life more dangerous and the changes in weather/temperature were way more aggressive than now. That may explain the myths of destruction of civilization, since for many generarions many small villages (considered civilitzations for the time) may have been destroyed in different manners, and with every year they may have exagerated some aspects
Another good video....shukran! I will continue to hold out hope for the discovery of a "lost, ice age civilization" if only because, as you state in your video..."it makes me appreciate their (ancients) capabilities even more." After all, if modern homo sapiens like us, with the same brain capacity as us, have been around for 150,000 years (perhaps 200K), surely there must've been an Archimedes, Pythagoras, Da Vinci, or Einstein that popped up during that long interval...? That said, your perspective is needed on here (are you on Rumble and/ or Odysee?). I look forward to more. Finally, though you've critiqued Randall Carlson in the past, I think you'd be a great "guest star" on their Kosmographia channel given your extensive knowledge of ancient history. I hope they reach out to you (or you to them) so you all can pool your knowledge & see where it takes all of us. Stay safe!
Imho the approach "ancient cultures could never make such a flat surface /exact angle" is insulting and shows a real lack of knowledge about how such tasks can be done. They calculated the whole construction of pyramids and similar buildings but they had no chance to make some rock shiny by rubbing sand on it or by putting an angle on it? Really? And those ancient supercultures (aka aliens) had the huge advantage of "having power tools" and were able to make a perfect angle? Why could they do that and not the ones that we know of?has anyone seen the cathedrals in Europe? They had better tools but for sure no better "angle technology" or power tools but somehow managed to get those tasks done. Once you know how to do it you can replicate it and the ancient civilizations has a LOT of time on their side so I don't see any need for some godlike creatures that differ only so far as to be good at doing great angles.
"and the ancient civilizations has a LOT of time on their side" Oh absolutely. After they spent the day dragging around 2 ton blocks of lime stone and of course rubbing sand on the surface they simply stopped in the walmart for that silly stuff like food and clothes. They had a lot less time on this planet then we have now.
@@stevene9785 why would the people pulling limestone blocks be the same people who do measurements and are craftsman? And they didn't go to Walmart. Other people brought them food. The Egyptians weren't cavemen.
@@jamisojo " The Egyptians weren't cavemen." You are displaying your lack of understanding of the current time line of human development as currently proposed by Egyptologists. That is because this is what is being proposed. Egyptians pretty much stepped out of a cave and built the Great Pyramid. Amazing folks for sure.
The fact that the history of Mycenaean Greece wasn’t passed down to the “Dorian” Greeks in a 500 year timespan, really shows how laughable ANY recollection of the younger dryas comet would be seeing that its 10K years ago or 20x the length.
Oh yeah, the other thing these people miss is biogeography stuff (wrote this before you brought up human genetics), i.e. humans spread food plants, domestic animals and rats. So any advanced ancient civilisation would have spread organisms to all sorts of places if it had been wide spread. Not to forget either they'd have developed domesticated plants earlier and the rather comprehensive stone age trade networks that would have spread them everywhere. And frankly, any civilisation in contact with Central and South America would have totally spread chillies everywhere, as humanity seems addicted to these fiery fruits. Also, ancient mining for metals etc would have left significant traces, and yet there's none cited. As would rubbish piles, even stone age societies produced significant middens that have lasted centuries and provided a wealth of extremely useful information. And yet, these are strangely missing from the "evidence" produced for ancient advanced civilisations as well. And one last thing on teh rats - there's a tiny section in NZ that believes for completely batshit reasons that somehow the Celts made it to NZ and were wiped out by Maori settlers. And yet the only rat found in NZ before europeans arrived is the kiore (Rattus exulans) with no signs of european rats until after european ships started making landfall for whaling.
That's a very compelling argument. Even a wholly vegan culture would move plants...and definitely chilis, tomatoes, potatoes, cocoa, corn, all count among foods one would definitely transplant.
You have articulated the truth that has been obvious all along. I have come to the same conclusion that earlier civilizations were skillful and efficient enough to produce monuments defining their existence and achievements. We would rather romanticize and believe in advanced civilizations or aliens for our inability to duplicate their way of expression.
Outstanding work once again. I really appreciate how concise and eloquent this is. Much alternate history or pseudoarchaeology is so ponderous and schizophrenic in its reasoning and sometimes I think purposely so, that any counter argument is forced into being the same level of ponderous and schizophrenic. Or maybe it’s just an easy intellectual pratfall.
It’s fun to wonder about but far too many people believe things without sufficient reason to. I used to be one of them. About a decade ago, when I was in my twenties, I started down the conspiracy rabbit hole. After a few years of arguing with people about everything, I evaluated why I was believing such things despite the fact that they had little to no evidence. I never believed everything (some were obviously nonsense), but I still held ridiculous beliefs because it was interesting to me. I believed in Bigfoot. I believed in some sort of lost civilization. I believed in several alien accounts that have either been proven hoaxes or have no evidence to support them. It’s fun, to think you know something others don’t. But when you mature you will look back on it all and feel nothing but embarrassment. Don’t embarrass yourself. Study and think yo your hearts content, but do not promote ideas that are not based on reality…. And remember that people LIE! The same people telling these conspiracies are getting rich off books, documentaries and conferences. It’s a racket. Graham Hancock is famous, and sells a ton of books. Far more than a rational archeologist who writes about reality. Would someone like Graham Hancock ever admit they are wrong? When they are getting rich off of this stuff?
Usually one grows wider and broader with age and experience, you have proven this to be the opposite. So yes I guess you are correct, people grow old and believe their age equals some form of credence.
I've watched this a few times now. It's a remarkable video and presentation by the good Professor; a sober overview of a complex topic. Thanks to David for this engaging summation.
Genetic evidence alone makes the idea of an early civilization completely untenable. In many ways, it's the slam dunk argument against any such hypotheses.
Thank you so much for bothering to make these podcasts in a time when the world around us is so crazy. You wouldn't believe how many people around me believe in Woo. It frightens me. Now I've got ammo.😊
How do you explain the ancient copper mines of Lake Superior, some of that copper has been found on ship wreaks off the coast of Europe. Go to "Petroglyphs Provincial Park" , Ontario, you will see it.
@@WorldofAntiquity You've heard of the copper mines of lake superior, you know what I'm talking about. Stop ignoring it. Start there. Its of course a national park, you will start to see that as a common factor. ( Isle Royale National Park) Science America wrote : "These-an-cient mines extended over a tract of country 100 miles long, running from N. E. .to S. W". >The only way for the copper to get to the St Lawrence river and sea bound is across land in Ontario. Look at a map, , Niagara falls was in the way. It came as far as it could by boat/ship, then across land in Ontario. Go to "Petroglyphs Provincial Park" with an opened mind. It was discovered in the 1950's by a white man mineral prospector, then soon claimed by the indigenous, all the stories have been authored since claimed. . This was when kids were taught Christopher Columbus discovered america, etc. It is now run and managed by indigenous no more digging, no more more studies. It's sacred land, now. In the book, Gateway to Oblivion, the author speaks of an obelisk that once stood in the waters of lake Ont, coincidentally in the protected waters of now, Presqu'ile Provincial Park. I'm older, ive studied this for years. Has nothing to do with ancient aliens or any youtuber etc. I first visited PPP, in 1997 and right away knew something was odd. I was almost attacked for getting my camera out!. Go to PPP, you will see, "they" will not allow you to take photos to prove what you've just witnessed. The "teaching rock" is waiting for you. lol. . Be sure to check out the rare lake on site and "nanabush" ..kinda looks like (kufu's graffitti). There's a few videos on YT,,,but you will not see the "teaching rock". There's a few BW photos from the 50s online. Hidden under "Peterborough petroglyphs" Last known photos....and they are very selected. Notice the ship?....that's not a canoe. Check my story out, I would love your opinion. Don't automatically jump to "indigenous" created this. There is also other connections with the mounds in Ohio (serpent), and south america, I think its all connected. Burial mounds with mummified bob cats, etc.
As far as the weight of objects and moving them, you should see the work of Wally Wallington, who moves and erects multi-ton "megaliths" (OK, cast concrete megaliths) by himself.
@@stevene9785 Wally Wallington makes, moves and erects multi-ton "megaliths" by himself. One man. He's moved a pole barn over 300 yards, by himself. Just because you don't like the answer (that humans are more than capable of erecting megastructures without the assistance of AlIeNs) doesn't mean it isn't true.
@@boomanchu2 Here is what we can be absolutely sure of.... A force of men, dressed in sandals, with levers, copper chisels and stone pounders did NOT excavate, transport and stack 200+ million stones to a height of 450 feet in 20 years. period. Should we even discuss moving a 100 ton stone "bull coffin" into the Seripum? Needless to say, these things exist. That means "someone" had to do it. Sorry you don't like the answer but the Egyptians did not do this. Get your head out of the clouds.
Can you please share a link to these tools you spoke of when mentioning the tools they used in Egypt to make those holes? Im not a power tool proponent but you didn't share much info on the tools you mentioned
Well essentially I think we don't give the earlier people as much credit as we should in terms of art and textiles. The recent findings in China desert burials with pants, hats, jackets, shirts, etc. help me appreciate a different kind of "Advanced" in our past than what is often discussed. The use of buttons and needles certainly seem to go back much further in the past than I grew up appreciating. Buttons and needles were a thing I grew up with interacting with Grandma but time and time again I see stories of just how far back this tradition goes in time and I'm amazed. We seem to have been dressed to our nines for a very long time. It seems if the YD impact was as horrific as evidence is mounting it seems more likely that those weather conditions played a larger role in motivating mankind into creating more advanced society out of a survival instinct to address limited resource constraints brought about by an "endless winter". Perhaps focusing at least briefly on whether man hunted megafauna to extinction or whether the entire ecosystem melted down would be useful in understanding just how far the resource constraints had gone to encourage technological advancement to substitute for resource availability. So instead of trying to find the advanced civ, we could try to appreciate just how such a near-extinction event could have helped encourage us into developing responses that led us to where we are today. I'm also intrigued by the years without summer in the 6th century paired with the Justinian Plague and the subsequent enlightenment, although not as horrific as the endless winter the global impacts seem immense. Which then begs the question just how horrific European volcanic events were in the previous 40k years in terms of human development worldwide... even if the folk weren't that advanced did these climatic events encourage major population migrations or for that matter just outright spell the end to various cultures (less advanced)? Even if there wasn't an advanced civ prior to Younger D, I think it would behoove the world to appreciate the potential for such an impact in the future on our advanced civ and strive to create a planetary defense system capable of blocking further asteroid strikes from such major impacts. Not so sure I know how we can address the volcanic events but those too should perhaps be studied enough to prevent magma chambers from exploding too violently and also setting civ back to the days of only cool hats. While the cost of developing a catastrophic volcanic mitigation approach may seem staggering , the cost of not doing it to me seems even more staggering in the long run.
Exactly!!! Anyone can easily see that in Egypt they had a problem. Of course the problem was how to burry a dead man. So they can up with a brilliant idea to move 1000's of tons of stone from far away and stack it up to a pyramid shape for stability in the most difficult manner. Problem solved. But wait! Can you believe that the guys in Peru, China, Australia, Africa, Russia (and who knows where else) had that same identical bury problem? Needless to say, they all came up with nearly the same solution. Got to hand it to the ancient man for such innovative thinking.
I think "ancient aliens" and other ideas are essentially colonialism/racism. Thinking that no 'primative' people could do great works really is bigoted. I also think pulp fantasy/horror/scifi/weird fiction from the early 20th century really cemented the belief in forgotten advanced ancient cultures. RE Howard, HP Lovecraft, CA Smith, et al. all wrote and published such work. Thank you for this video, though. And helping to end the plague of ignorance.
Your a horrible person and il would like to meet u. Those words are terrible. I live in England I hope u do so we can meet up for a chat. Terrible let me know if u would like a coffee together
It might come off that way. More likely it is simply exploitative con artistry of lazy people out to make money from the ignorant by using archaeological evidence to weave a somewhat plausible fantasy, and then denigrating the very people who actually discovered and documented it to prevent the con victims from ever realizing that they have been duped. Think about it - the likes of Brien Foerster, UnchartedX, Graham Hancock and others are constantly pushing something that costs you something one way or another. Be it tours, books, lecture tickets, or merchandise bearing their names, even TV appearances. It's all a business to them, and likely most of them make far more money annually than the average well respected veteran archaeologist as a result, at a cost of very little time and energy spent by comparison to achieve that wealth. The archaeology based fantasy is a hook to keep you watching/reading long enough to click on their merchandise store, or to book tickets for their next tour of ancient sites - this last one makes me laugh to be honest, how people can ever take Foerster seriously when he's basically getting to travel all over the world for free all the time (well, almost certainly making money on it) on the backs of his spellbound audience is beyond my limited understanding of human folly, even the tour videos he takes on those travels feeds back into his RUclips channel to dupe yet more suckers into it. Mark my words each and every one of those people will retire very wealthy - some may even just hire someone to keep running their business if it remains profitable to do so.
@@Endle185 I live in England myself, and without a doubt I can say that our civilisation is responsible for some of the most horrible acts of colonial oppression and racism of any in the modern world. Our history doesn't even attempt to hide it - we just don't teach it so much in schools, but the records are there plain as day for anyone to research and see for themselves. The same outlook that made it easy for the British Empire to commit these atrocities is what caused Brexit more recently - aka nationalist exceptionalism. The Americans have it themselves, either by inheritance from colonial times, or homegrown in the time since they became independent of us.
@@mnomadvfx dear Kenny, do you blame the dains for invading England for centuries, or blame Italy for the actions of the Roman invasion of England, do you also blame the Ottoman Empire for the slave raid of the British isles, the list goes on and on , that life it’s a cruel world .Your a clown , and immature, sad really .
I'm starting to question sir if your more against the procedures that SOME of these alternative historians have taken than the reasonably questionable anomalies of the past. With all due respect there are many missing chapters in our history. As we try to fill these chapters in we can use critical thinking of course to make educated guesses of what our past was like but in no way does it absolutely discredit the possibility of an advanced civilization... the truth is we need more people to question the mainstream timeline of ancient history, we need more imaginative thinkers to make connections that straight forward thinkers don't.
Of course there could have been an advanced super civilization in the past, just like last week a check for a million dollars to me could have been written, mailed and then lost. However until there is evidence it is simply an amusing speculation not to be taken very seriously. We of course have had vast numbers of fantasists who have speculated all sorts of weird fantasies, history and archaeology have attracted vast hordes of these people. So there is absolutely no shortage of such people. So many of them do however have a couple of unpleasant traits. 1), They frequently are astoundingly ignorant about what they speculate about. 2), They frequently turn into mysteries non-mysteries. 3), They frequently have an hysterical over the top conspiratorial view about "orthodox" "fill in the blank". 4), They all too often engage in distortion and falsification. 5) They forget the whole burden of proof thing. 6), They are the great majority of the time simply wrong. 7), They often have a persecution / martyr complex. For every 10,000 cranks, at best one maybe right about something. I simply find these people amusing and only rarely thought provoking.
@@makinapacal Sure. People who lack critical thinking and intuition concern me too. I agree with the overall scientific procedure when it comes to what we deem as fact in archaeology (I won't say I'm absolutely fond of certain procedures) however the last thing I want is for mis information to be spread in mass. You seem like a logical guy so tell me would you not consider it advanced that many ancient civilizations from around 2,000 - 4,000bc understood large cycles of time as well as events that took place THOUSANDS of years before their time. Example, in many great civilizations like the mayans, hebrews, hindus, and sumerians you'll see repetitive calculations of time (with slight variation in magnitude) some of these sacred numbers we used today on a EVERYDAY basis. Mayan Calendar: 1 Baktun = 20 K'atun = 144,000 Days (There is 1,440 minutes in a 24 hour day) 1 K'atun = 20 Tun = 7,200 Days 1 Tun = 18 Winal = 360 Days 1 Winal = 20 K'in = 20 Days 1 K'in = 1 day Pre Diluvian Sumerian Kings Aloros | 36,000 Years Alaporos | 10,800 Years Amelon | 46,800 Years Ammenon |43,200 Years Megaloros | 64,800 Years Amempsinos | 36,000 Years Opartes |28,800 Years Xlsuhtros |64,800 Years Danos | Danos | 36,000 Years Eudoroches | 64,800 Years total = 432,000 years… Vedic Calendar: (Divya Span) Kali Yuga = 432,000 Years (True radius of our sun) Dwarpa Yuga = 864,000 Years (True diameter of our sun) Treta Yuga 1,296,000 Satya Yuga 1,728,000 Total May'ayuga = 4,320,000 years Now the hebraic calendar mainly consists around sevens, it is highly contradicting so I'll approach it from a different angle. In reference to the Cherubim (Ezikiel 10:14) The man (Aquarius), The Ox (Taurus), The lion (Leo), The eagle (Scorpio); Is the complete model for a span of time call the "Great Year." This span of time in total is 25,920 years, it is the same span of time which the earth with our solar sun slowly transitions through the 12 zodiacs (representative of the number 12 consistently throughout the bible!) this is called a "Precession" Each age or completion of one constellation is 2160 years, it can be broken down into 3 phases (Going in, progressing, going out), divide 2160 by 3 and you get 720 years; that is consistent with 1 K'atun or 7,200 days regardless of the order of magnitude. Even still you can see the Mayan use of the wheel (360 degrees) created by the Sumerians. They even use it to a degree where they use a four sign system associated with the four directions…
@@makinapacal I know you probably won't take the time to read or even look into all of this but my point is our ancient ancestors were definitely more advanced than we give them credit for. Some of the accomplishments we are achieving today our ancestors have records of already achieving such features! I can go on alllll day about anomalies. In fact I'm actually looking for different groups where I can be proactive about such things... The intriguing part about it is mainstream consensus will make speculations about such anomalies alot of times with not much solid proof. The truth is humans are faulty, professionals make rookie mistakes sometimes. Regardless of our views we can all pose as helpful to eachother if we take our ego out of the picture!
@@claudiaxander yes indeed. We also need creative thinkers! Mysteries are not only solved by critical thinking, mysteries are also solved by creative thinking. Example before the classification "Homo Bodoensis" was made public I have LITERAL PROOF in my dream journal thats a couple weeks before I dreamed of a hominid species that started with the letter B but couldn't find anything on it until an article appeared weeks later in the same context it was shared with me in my dream... I've dreamed of events in the past that I was able to wake up and find actual facts on. I've dreamed of events that have taken place the same day, I also have dreamed of events that have taken place in the future. To science this is subjective and unexplainable. To my ancestors it's pretty normal and called priesthood. What I find most intriguing are those who try to bridge the gap between spirituality and physical reality because spiritual abilities can be explained by science. Maybe not basic science.
Thanks for this rational explanation as to why we are not seeing any signs of the so called lost civilizations or advanced societies that mysteriously disappeared 12,000 years ago because of some cataclysm. Your video validates in more specific terms what I have felt for many years.
Difficult to see = what never really existed....... Think the planet Mars. In truth it is just another dead planet whose only "value" is its proximity to Earth. Yet over the past century thanks to the entertainment genre - specifically science fiction = an obsession over the planet has taken hold. Years back people believed there were "canals" on Mars and hence fabricated all manner of now silly assumptions about the planet - assumptions which Hollywood built upon via movies and television in the ensuing decades. Moral of the story: the whole "lost civilizations and advanced cultures" narrative = is identical....... It is fiction built upon what Hollywood etc. has pushed in the largely entertainment-based culture for decades. Sometimes we allow our flights of imagination to get the better of us. This is why we need to follow the actual evidence rather than our assumptions. 🤔
The temples or ruins at Göbekli Tepe in Turkey do show that thier were organized societies 11,000 years ago. So their were probably other potential groups maybe even early city-states that have long vanished in time.
"Too impressive for known civilizations..." Read, Africans couldn't have done that. Thank you for keeping to truth and justice. Ma'at would be pleased.
I'd love for an offshoot of this series tailored towards JUST the pseudo-history shows on History Channel. I think that is another driving force behind the popularity. Shows like "Ancient Aliens" and "Search for the Lost Giants" have become mainstream to the point that people believe that if it is on the History channel, there must be some shred of truth to them, despite them being made for viewership and ratings. I love Pseudo-History also but again, for entertainment purposes and inspiration for my D&D games I run lol. My other beef with the community is the forum it has given to white supremacists that reduce ancient non-European accomplishments down to that of aliens or giants.
@@samw.6876 so a common construction method among civilizations that had no contact. And you don't see an issue with this. The problem is that you're all sheep and lack even a simple critical thought process.
And look forward to my video "Why I don't believe in oxygen". Lmfao xD
I also don't think that there was an advanced super civilization in the same way I do not believe in the tooth fairy, Elvis is alive, Paul is dead, the world would end in 2012 and Hitler is still alive.
@NEAR TERM EXTINCTION - HUMAN Poopoo peepee
@NEAR TERM EXTINCTION - HUMAN wtf are you on about
@@makinapacal how do you feel about leprechauns?
Jean Michel Jarre would care to differ😉
As a law student currently writing a dissertation centred on misinformation, I'm finding the single biggest problem to be a lack of empathetic engagement from academics and educators. It creates a void that the imagination can fill in the absence of a scientific mind. Often times, the goodwiled engagement that academics end up doing can be condescending and even counterproductive. By taking your time to do these videos in the way that you do, you do a great service to your field, even if it isn't the research that might interest you or your colleagues. Your doing for history what is sadly lacking in other fields. Thank you.
Thanks. I appreciate hearing that!
@@WorldofAntiquity Great video. Awesome stuff.
There are programs and channels that go over any aspect of academics that you can imagine. But there's differences in common understanding between subjects. My background is in genetics, I've gotten literally 1000s of questions over covid. First came "is it going to be like 1918 or just the flu," ignoring that 1918 WAS influenza. But the big one was "Is the vaccine safe?" Short answer is "yes." But going over all the checks and balances, statistics, legal requirements, chemistry, how immune responses work... it got to be a book. I really got to feel the old quote "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." At the end of all of it I'll admit I just started saying "take the damn vaccine." For history most people can see the tools. But mixing chemicals together... well people tend to be suspicious over what they cant see. I haven't found a nice way around that.
@@Evolver8484 I agree, I think thats where trust comes in. To some extent, for non-academics knowledge of science does just boil down to belief. Thats why tone is so important. As frustrating as it might be, if an ancient aliens conspiracy theorist is more engaging, accessible and less patronising then a lot of folks are going to be drawn in on that basis alone. Same for vaccines I suspect.
@@WorldofAntiquity It’s true! The ancient aliens Atlantis stuff is so pervasive, it’s refreshing to see someone present counterpoints to all that in a watchable and approachable way. Even for people who already know it’s bs, it’s nice to talk out the reasons why
I'm now a teacher for various subjects, of wich I all enjoy very much, at Highschool in Lower Saxonia; didn't plan or forsaw it but am very glad that my career developed this way. One of this subjects is history. Every new class I start with a timeline of humanity starting 300,000 years ago wich I draw on the blackboard. My students are always impressed about the fact how little of that is known history. There is always an engaged debate about the question why it took so long to build our civilisations and our technology. When I present how much we in fact know about the climate, the fauna, the population of different human species it never fails to be sufficient and convincing as an explanation.
I myself am awestruck by the depth of time (and space) and hope I'm doing a good enough job in teaching facts not fiction.
Sadly we rarely have time for antiquity. But for my private education I enjoy your work very much!
It's attractive to be "in on the secret knowledge", and much easier to accept these fanciful things than to accept civilization arose out of a very messy trial and error- with error being the norm more often than not.
No think about it. YOU'RE THE ONE WITH THE SECRET KNOWLEDGE, THAT IS GATEKEEPING .
@@oltch. how so?
I don't believe there was a historical Atlantis, so what secret knowledge would I have?
I apologize if I wrote something that offended you.
@@SobekLOTFC you are the most polite person I've seen on a youtube thread in a long time
you write your name in greek, ok, can be interesting, science:
energy cannot be created nor destructed
you cannot create information out of nothing
...science
..that is what science says.....interesting contradictions of science
@FilthyDankWastemanFabuless mmmhhnoh, the enregy gets distributed does not get disintegrated cammon, man is the first anyone learns in science, now you are a conspiracy theorist ?? you believe in lost ancient tech? ;)
10:08 For those who are interested in the topic of polygonal masonry. A number of methods for obtaining the polygonal masonry are proposed. The basis of the proposed methods is the use of clay/gypsum replicas, reduced clay models of stone blocks and a 3D-pantograph, as well as a topography translator. The results are presented in the article: “Fabrication methods of the polygonal masonry of large tightly fitted stone blocks with curved surface interfaces in megalithic structures of Peru”. I do not provide a direct link, because RUclips does not allow a comment with this link. Search by the article title.
I have a couple of conceptual problems there, those people had no wheeland all that, but they first had the idea of building with those shapes..and sizes...for which they wouldn´t have tools...but they had that device for reproducing the shapes of the adjacent blocks....seems contradictory...is insisting on a certain idea a bit obssesively, and again and again not having any fisical improvement in the real world,with real materials and tools described plus, again the timing, using that method they would still starting to build tomorrow...
this thing of massive texts assuring some theory, but no real practical tests...?...I donnou...that is supposed to be science, they want us to call it science...just a massive text with some photos of walls and drawings, if someone cares about ending with fake news and crazy theories, someone will have to provide real practical improvements with real tools and in real conditions, otherwise is just only text.
"The work provides a description of techniques, which apparently were used by builders who arrived from Europe." Are you saying the Peruvian polygonal masonry was done by Europeans??
@@airthrowDBT no, ivilizations of the past were connected, the knowledge was common and shared by all
the origins ? who knows, not archeologists, for sure, here min 03:00, a dolmen built atop a pyramid..in china , Miano only says his own frustrations and fixations...ruclips.net/video/FpL5c3xRlEs/видео.html&lc=UgyOZDxwHU14eYuk3Dp4AaABAg.9aXVxyLjz_R9aY3YG95qab
Ancient architects channel does video on report made by group restoring and preserving Sassca humam . Really changed my mind on how it was built .
@@airthrowDBT Yes, the theory is, in fact, race based because non-white people are considered too primitive and undeveloped to do anything. I was teaching an international class and one of the Hidalgos [white pure blood European Spaniard] from Latin America said, "The megalithic structures in Peru couldn't have been built by "Indios" because they were too primitive."
I was shocked and was trying to decide how to correct him when it was, fortuitously, taken out of my hands by the students.
The students from Mexico, India and the Middle East were incensed by this and basically pointed out that their non-white ancestors were building cities when Europeans were still living in caves. I only exerted authority by insisting that they had to be polite, take turns presenting and refuting factual evidence, not biased opinions. Their homework was to come up with a final fact based conclusion. The class actually went overtime, and the janitors had to throw us out to do their evening work.
I tried to let the students work through the information as fact checker and referee rather than imposing my own views. Like Professor Miano, when the students demanded that I tell them my position, I gave them the professional consensus, that the earliest known civilizations were in China, Egypt, Mesopotamia, and possibly the Aegean. As far as known at the time, the civilizations in the Americas developed independently later, but their main cities sometimes were better and more populous than those in contemporary European civilizations. Many of the "Atlantis Theories" are an attempt to prove that White people, Aryans, were the source of all developments. The Nazis didn't invent this, it was already in circulation, but they did make it more virulent. Most unfortunately, such things still exist.
Even if a lot of people don’t agree with you, we must appreciate the "..yet" you added at the end of the video title. You didn’t need to add that. It makes you appear much more sincere and open minded. Thank you and stay well Mr. Antiquity.
Anyway, all those "wonderous" artifacts of ancient times tell me is that the ancient stonemasons were pretty darn good at their job. Respect.
What you are missing out is that some of the artifacts CANNOT be done in either the times claimed with the tools claimed, or AT ALL with the tools claimed. I suggest you read the Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt by Christopher Dunn. The ancient builders were certainly stellar at building. They just had more advanced machines than have been found and were not made with copper chisels and saws with sand like Egyptologists (who are not builders) would have you believe.
For example, you CANNOT quarry megalithic stones with the angles we have seen on abandoned stones, by bashing diorite balls against granite. The angles left do not match up to the stones we have seen that have been partially worked.
@@airthrowDBT So? Maybe they didn't use the diorite rocks for everything? Maybe they had the intelligence to use a variety of tools for a variety of tasks in hand. I think the ancient stonemasons were not the stupid ones here.
@@OldieBugger Again, I think the ancient stone masons were highly intelligent. I'm not sure how you can ask "SO?" to the possibility that they must've had MUCH more advanced tools than are in the historical record, it literally changes human history. It's worthy of a lot more than a "SO?"
@@OldieBugger And if you're trying to imply that I'm stupid, I build things for a living, what do you do with tools every day? It seems like you're out of your element or don't know much about megaliths...which is it?
For those who don't understand, he is not saying that he is certain that we already know everything and there is zero possibility that a technologically advanced civilization existed, he is saying that the proponents of those theories haven't presented credible evidence and their methods and retoric are flawed, I'm sure that any person that studies history like him would be the most excited about a discovery of that caliber but also knows that claims that important requires even more scrutiny
Absolutely!
Well said. The nonsense that academics would hide or ignore evidence that proves a new theory, to maintain the status quo, or threaten their highly paid (lol) careers is so ludicrous! If the evidence is there, any academic would be thrilled to present an exciting new theory - but they’re not going jump on board without evidence! That would be a real risk to their careers!!
@@buttercxpdraws8101 while I absolutely agree, it is also true that stigmatizatiom of certain topics can create some friction in the evidence > conclusion > consensus chain of academia. Particulary where the stigma affects the funding of the very research necessary to evidence the stigmatised theories. An open but critical mind is what's required.
I get so sick and tired of people with fanciful theories that lack academic rigor who spend all their time whining about how "the establishment" won't take them seriously instead of actually trying to find evidence for their theories. I swear to god at a certain point that becomes 99% of their content and I just find it insufferable. I'm not in the market for apersecution complex lol. I'd rather know the truth.
@@buttercxpdraws8101 "but they’re not going jump on board without evidence! That would be a real risk to their careers"
Depends what you mean by "jump on board".
If you mean loudly proclaiming it is true without forming a convincing case and presenting a paper to properly put your point across I would say yes - even then as Dr Miano has stated before the paper would go through peer review and be brought to account if obvious errors where shown to be present, and I doubt that the good doctors career was in trouble for any of these occasions.
I think a career would only be in trouble if you were essentially perceived as bringing the entire field into disrepute by completely side stepping peer review and going full PR mode on your own - that is when it becomes less about the science and more about the same kind of self aggrandizement and public exploitation which makes the likes of Foerster and Hancock so detestable.
i think a lot of us take the modern age technological advancements for granted because of how influential they have been on our lives to the point of shaping how we perceive the world. this means people are susceptible to look at historical technology in a condescending perspective (unconsciously) not being charitable enough to assume that ancient people are capable of building such ancient technology. it is an interesting behavior shown by our fellow people.
Yeah - it reminds me of Victorian attitudes to the 'barbarians' of Africa and other tribal nations. Needing to be saved because they are not as enlightened. Rather than people acknowledging we all have the same brains, that ancient people could work stuff out and become masters in using the tools and techniques they have to use. Look at people doing ice sculptures with chainsaws. I wouldn't believe that was possible if I hadn't seen videos on it. . . But I agree with your bias. People just think pre-history is full of stereo typical Neanderthal types until sudden industrial revolution. . . Not people learning, growing and making the knowledge we work off today. Heck - if something happened to technology - how many of the day to day things people take for granted can we continue to make.? How many people will be able to make toilet paper when we just run the machines that make our stuff. . .
@@sociallyferal4237 exactly, industrial revolution has changed our lives so much that we forgot that it takes gradual process to build a technology. It presumably took years to build a pyramid but its more easier to dismiss that notion and just presume that its impossible to build such a thing without something as advanced or even more than modern technology. Its a matter of how are attitude is towards the ancient world, hence its a bigger vindication that we understand more about ancient worlds because we know so little.
@@sociallyferal4237 Well, yes but no.
The excuse was a charitable saving of the barbarians from themselves.
The reality was exploitation of the resources of those nations and the populace to work them.
Africa wasn't perfect when Europe returned to it - but it was in a far better place than it was when the various colonizing European states left those nations to their own devices within the last century.
Point of fact the hunting of elephants and rhinos for their ivory used to be a somewhat tribal right of passage - and the coming of European colonizers turned it into a trade responsible for the extinction of some and the critically endangered state of others.
We are quite easily indentifiable as the savages in this scenario.
@@nanoglitch6693 "This is actually the opposite of the perspective of the people that were found to be living amongst these ruins"
Why assume that just because they live there that they have any accurate knowledge of those who came before?
I live in England.
Does that mean I somehow know everything pertinent about the Romans that once occupied the British Isles?
About the Vikings?
Even about the Anglo Saxons for whom England is named?
Let alone about the Celtic and Druidic peoples that dominated before the Roman occupation?
Of course not - you should acquire a bit of basic common sense before "exerting your uneducated assumptions until you actually know about some of this".
There are places all over the world that have suffered various invasions and occupations which have diluted any history which was not lost simply from a lack of writing it down - assuming that a later invader did not simply destroy written historical records as the Catholic priests accompanying the conquistadors did in South America.
One thing I find people are very presentist about in this regard is patience. Just because they're used to a certain thing being done in X amount of time, they assume it was impossible that something that could have been done in a period-appropriate fashion was done that way just because... it would take a long time.
A clear minded thorough walk-through of all the claims and foggy ancient civilization videos
Thank you very much
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There were “advanced” ancient peoples, we call them Neolithic humans, and there is boat loads of archeological evidence for them.
They had thousands of years of experience (and most certainly oral tradition) related to working with stone. They knew which stone was better for different things. They knew where to find this stone. The knew how to work it. They even developed all the technologies required for the Bronze Age to happen.
It’s clear that non-academics tend to underestimate how “advanced” Neolithic humans were. But I also think academics haven’t done the best job communicating on this subject either. The gap between these two is a fertile valley for all kinds of pseudo-intellectuals to plant their seeds.
Indeed, also it is rather silly to assume that we dug up the last interesting thing from the neolithic era.
Many people also overestimate the speed of evolutional change among human beings, genetically we hardly differ from these people.
Yup. Just look at all the cool gear that Ötzi had with him. It's awesome!
They invented pitch. Holy sheep dip! Neandertal really blows me away man. Two egg shells, birch bark and a bed of glowing hot coals. BAM!! Pitch, mind blown. flying saucers indeed.
@@chriskelly6574 It's already amazing that Neanderthals hunted huge animals and lived in Europe during the ice age. You need some serious survival skills for that.
Oh, and in terms of art and religion they also seemed to have some stuff going on. There is a structure built by Neanderthals in a cave in France, built from stalagmites and stalagtites and so deep within that cave that they needed artificial light (probably fatty bones) to be able to see in there.
It didn't seem to have been a place to actually live, so the hypothesis is that they built it for some symbolic purpose, like for rituals or something.
@@johannageisel5390 Do you remember being a young child? Do you remember how the world and your imagination were joined 'differently' than today. We have so many byast that it is hard for us to relate now with all our soft living. It wasn't religion, that is modern cultural dogma, they were exploring the frontiers of earth and mind.
I want to note that the comet impact hypothesis has nothing to do with ancient advanced civilizations. Some people do try to tie it in to AAC theories, but it is completely independent. It is really more of a planetary science thing. I know that Dr. Miano isn't linking the YDIH with AAC generally, just pointing out that some people are trying to do that.
@@nanoglitch6693 Logically speaking, the impact hypothesis cannot be used as an argument. All those who do, are committing a logical fallacy.
The problem becomes when you look at who is behind the bulk of the YDIH is in fact the same people pushing an ancient high tech lost civilization or at least tie themselves to such in their own work.
My point is that the two ideas exist independently of each other. People try to put them together for other purposes, but neither exists to serve the other. Further, the scientists who investigate the YDIH aren't doing it to support any AAC ideas. The geologists and chemists and planetary scientists studied physical geological and chemical evidence in the ground to support the conclusion that there was an impact around the time of the YD. Other people took that conclusion the same way they take any scientific result they don't fully comprehend in order to create support for their fringe ideas. Having said that, any real historian or scientist will look for ways new information affects our view of the world, and update the existing theories. It would be extremely unlikely for something to upset our beliefs in a way that calls for the complete rewrite of the existing worldview.
@@TheEricthefruitbat yes, they are separate topics. Nonetheless, the two are linked by the AAC crowd themselves. They also do their own research on the subject and as Dr. Miano pointed out even got to peer review where it didn't exactly achieve consensus. They are looking for an extinction event, which would be the right course of action if there was any evidence for an AAC being wiped out around that time. Funnily enough, their research was funded by a creationist university. Guess that crowd is also interested in some hot ancient stories of reset. I mean, they are so desperate they would be willing to trade God for aliens if it could be proven.
I honestly believe that the stone work done by our ancient ancestors was so remarkable is because they actually cared about their work and actually took pride in it , unlike the majority of people today that look down on jobs that require actual physical labor .
The ancients were masters of stone working .
They didn't have machines to make things easier, which is why so many essential skills are now disparaged. That pile of bricks for sale at Lowe's came out of a factory full of machines: a few centuries ago, manual labor mixed and poured the clay into molds, then more manual labor transported the air-dried bricks to the kiln, where more laborers kept up the fire until they were baked. That took longer.
The people of the past knew tricks we've forgotten because they had to.
“Pride” and “care” do not result in perfectly geometric shapes that align with mathematical perfection to astronomical pattern. I’m my opinion, at least.
Pride and care do not allow you to quarty and carry 70 ton perfectly carved ultra hard stone, to place it with surgical precision at a height higher than the Statue of Liberty in a building we have no real explanation for. While at the same time showing thousands of equally amazing works. Pride and care can help you do 1 or a few of such items. Not thousands of amazing precision. Thousands, at such precision... is more industry than it is artistry.
@@emartinezr if you're referring to the Giza pyramids: most of the stones they were built from were not of the "ultra hard" kind, granite was only used for the burial chambers and a few corridor linings and blocking stones, the rest of it was mostly made of rather soft lime stone, and for the parts not visible from the outside or the interior corridors they didn't go for "surgical precision" either, quite the contrary actually.
@@hartmutholzgraefe actually the massive granite blocks in the inner chambers of the great pyramid are a mystery. Blocks of 80tonnes, transported 900km, and then aligned together, and also in conjunction with other blocks as the structure was being built, so that corridors and shafts would perfectly align.
Not so blocks were the same size either.... This actually makes it harder to make the whole thing align, got together, and create the whole structure. The only thing we know about how they were built, is that the best theories on how they were built are completely bogus.
The excitement on David's face in that "Conclusion" section is so infectious, and I totally see why. Discovering ancient lost settlements and cultures is still unbelievably cool without needing to be wrapped up in an extra layer of Atlantean magic-like fantasy.
These guys are consistently carrying out the fun activity of identifying patterns, with just enough research so they can feel smart but not enough to get bored, and coming up with great stories. And then getting paid millions of dollars to do so whilst earning the undying adulation of many.
A part of me is kind of jealous to be honest.
The lack of videos such as this great one where their terrible arguments are methodically debunked by anyone with an academic background or at least a somewhat cynicial mind is kind of mind boggling.
Thanks for the video!
Ah yes, pattern recognition, a known folly of idiots.
Not me i feel sorry for these RUclips fakers.
I consider channels like this to anti education and should be illegal and the owners assets sold and the money put back into the education system to counter the rubbish this channel posts.
I will even go as far as saying channels like this and religious channels are child abuse on global scale.
Well said. These people make lots of money and are being taken seriously by millions on Joe Rogan & Netflix viewers. So hundreds of grifters copy the same nonsense .Now there are thousands of lazy channels & tik tokers makin stupid claims to get those juicy views & likes.
Respect for the ancient architects, engineers, craftsmen. Thanks Dr. Really enjoy your channel.
I love how you articulate everything around measurements and weight. I’m an experienced stonemason, I can literally move a half ton stone with nothing more than a trowel.
I saw once something about how we can’t get something within a certain point of a degree to the square even today yet they managed it with the pyramids as if it’s mega difficult to get square. All it takes is a straight edge and a compass to bisect a line to make a square within said tolerance.
These guys prey on the uneducated and/or gullible to believe their own narratives. We learnt in the first month of college what half of these guys are preaching is insanely difficult. You only need to look at the cathedrals of Europe, which I can assure you are a far greater technical feat than a pyramid regardless of when they were built
As measurement lab worker I would also like like to add: did they used up to date calibrated and certified tools? Are they trained in proper use of precision measurement tools - like letting tool to get acclimated to surrounding and than recalibrate with etalon? Were those tools properly stored or did they had them in backpack while riding jeep through rocky landscape?
Good points.
Don’t call me Shirley!!! 😂😂😂😂
I find this channel to be a big relief. Does it contain the whole truth? No. And it doesn’t claim to. It’s just a big vote in a big voice in the direction of logic and rationality. The wonderful thing that it does is to put me in the position of really marveling at what mankind has been able to accomplish using brain power and manpower.
Kurzgesagt has a video entitled Are there lost alien civilizations in our... Your opinion on the subject matter would be awesome to hear, and the video is only 11 minutes long. As always, quality content on a top tier channel. Thank you for your time Dr.Miano.
I just watched a video that showed how a hole was "drilled" in granite. I think they were from Indonesia??? It wasn't done with a drill bit, but with a dull chisel and two workers. One handles the chisel (rotating it with each strike) and the other handles the sledge hammer. They work as a team and crush the granite. They remove the pulverized granite dust out of the hole and continue. They couldn't "drill" all the way through, so they flipped it and matched the hole from the other side. I was totally impressed. I never thought to crush granite to make a hole." It is not in my experience " as you said. I am use to drill bits. Anyway this project is to hang a granite bell in Hawaii.... I believe.... it might be for a temple complex?? I am not sure. I just thought I would share.
What's the title of the video?
@@WorldofAntiquity I watch the video within the last week or so. It is titled, "Stone Bell Hole Drilling," it was actually made 13 years ago. It was work done for an Iraivan Temple for Kauai's Hindu Monastery. I think you'll like it...... it is granite. Best regards.
@@beeg693 Man, I watched that ages ago and haven't been able to remember or find it since. lol thanks.
@@AveragePicker man, you're very welcome. I am glad I could assist....
The problem is that everyone rushes to make a "discovery" for their own personal motives, monetary gains and the sort. Most of the proponents of these theories have spent ZERO days in the field and some have ZERO expertises in what they are talking about. They spent most of the times giving interviews while scientists are digging trenches and analysing artefacts up close using the scientific method.
Freedom of speech is one thing but not all opinions are equal. Educators like yourself should make it clear to students/audience on what it takes in terms of actual work before you can open your mouth and talk about a scientific field.
I hope that credible theories do not receive less funding because of how popular these alternative theories have become with the mainstream.
Your ignorance is showing.
Well, anyone can make a claim about something, but in the end, they will be asked to "Prove it".
While new hypnosis always sound exciting and cool, there has to be some kinda proof that these new ideas are valid.
So until someone produces even a little evidence that some as of yet unknown civilization once existed, the claim is just that, an unproven theory.
Yeah they lack any prior knowledge and make assumptions out a bias or misunderstanding.
A very good RUclips. Pages which practically shows how ancients could easily do these works as we could now.
"Advanced civilisations were on the coast". But, as you said, people settled near supplies of fresh water. Paris, Brussels, Berlin, Warsaw, Vienna, Munich, Prague, Kyiv...they're inland. Are they not part of our "advanced" civilisation? I grew out of von Daniken and his ilk. Obviously, others didn't.
I think major changes in society like the fall of the Bronze Age, impacted a lot of the myth stories that today people associate with things like Atlantis. I mean if I was an Athenian in 400 BCE, I would have been in awe of the stories of Minoan civilizations 1000 years earlier.
Thr bronze age didn't fall. It moved on to the iron age. What fell was th structure of society.
@@Spectre-wd9dl , much like society shifts today when technology advancements upend the social order.
@@floridaman4073 it wasn't technological advancements that caused the bronze Age collapse
@@speedwagon1824- There were some Bronze Age civilizations that fell out of power, but the era itself didn't fall apart. People outside of those civilizations still used bronze and had many of the same skills: the problems would have been obtaining resources and labor.
@@speedwagon1824 the "bronze age collapse" wasn't the fall of the bronze age.
The first is the name given to a bunch of people moving around and attacking some of the major cities at the time in a certain area.
The bronze age is just an era that has a different time frame all over the world for when people were using bronze, before they widely used iron.
Excellent video. I remember, before my round the world backpacking trip in 2003 and 2004 reading about the precise and incredibly accurate "moulded" stone blocks of the ancient Inca and in particular a surviving wall in Cusco that was so well built something as thin as a credit card could not fit between the stones. Firstly a credit card isn't that thin so not being able to fit one in doesn't really point to high precision. However I was disappointed when I discovered at many points along said wall, I could indeed comfortably fit a credit card in! The meaning of high precision seems to be very subjective amongst pseudo archaeologists.
Yeah, I find that example a code word for someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. 😁
@@jamisojo Yes indeed! You got that right! 😁
@@jamisojo I've subconsciously been doing that exact same appraisal every time I hear the overstated significance of this "I couldn't slide a (insert thin object here) between some blocks" trope, though mine was in the form of a non-verbal eyeroll every time I heard that regurgitation of this beloved, yet increasingly underwhelming platitude (wasn't it originally a razor blade?) from atop the pseudo-skeptic's greatest hits of uncritically parroted conspiracy hymns and pointless experiments, but you just articulated it for me more concisely
I recently learned that there were burnt limestone mortar based terrazzo floors in the Tepes -- Göbleki and Karahan -- plus a few other sites with Turkish names that I am unable to verbalize. That's pretty impressive for a pre-pottery culture. There was an image of a doorway in your video, from some Indian (artificial) caves whose name I can't remember, but their extreme precision is awesome, and often cited as "proof of concept" for an ancient advanced civilization. However, I am unable to imagine what kind of technology that could have been used manufacture the glass polished surfaces, etc. All I can see is a gruelling amount of hand work that must have required an even more gruelling amount of planning, for no obvious reason, so I associate it with Indian philosophy -- hermits, yogis, sadhus, that sort of thing -- who venerated the simplicity of mathematical form manifest in art work. It seems to me that the concept of "primitive tools" is based in a fundamental misunderstanding of stone work. Generally speaking, there's nothing a machine can do that the hand can't do by far better. It only takes more time and effort.
Plastered floors have been made since the stone age and precision doesn't prove anything
"I am unable to imagine what kind of technology that could have been used manufacture the glass polished surfaces"
A standard circular sanding/polishing power tool could polish it up a treat for sure - but as you say there is nothing a machine could do that human hands cannot do given the appropriate skill, time, effort and engineering knowledge.
That being said it does not preclude the use of some kind of power tool relying on a source of energy other than electricity such as diverted water driving a wheel and machinery, or some other kind of similar machinery based on harnessing a windmill to do much the same.
Obviously such machines would not easily be made viable inside a cave, but for the works on the Old Kingdom ancient Egyptian pyramids it does bare consideration at least.
Check out the polished jade axes of the Neolithic in NW Europe. These were sourced from a specific quarry in the Alps and distributed as probably high status, sacred items (from a beautiful Alpine mountain top where divinities dwell) across NW Europe. They are cut out (with wood wedges and antler picks) and polished for hours at a time until they are shiny and smooth and incredibly beautiful. Archaeology has been mapping their distribution across France, Rhineland, the British Isles, Ireland. These are hand made precision objects of great beauty! They precede the introduction of metallurgy. They were made by skilled Neolithic craftsmen.
@@mnomadvfx Sorry about that, I see now that my comment was misleading. Polishing a surface is of course possible with a range of various tools, what I meant to say is that it's hard to imagine what power tools that could have been used to create the spaces (lest you want to go down the "magical" rabbit hole).
@@beurksman "Stone age" isn't a very precise time denomination. The Tepes can be said to be late Mesolithic or early Neolithic, depending on what definition you prefer, but either way I am more impressed by the plaster than by the rock carvings. Professionally speaking I am a pensioner now but I used to be a stone mason so on account of that I'm particularly interested in ancient historical (and pre-historical) stone work.
As one of my science teachers was fond of saying."You enter my class naive, you leave it informed or belligerently stupid". Well done sir.
🤭Yes. As an aside. Many people - usually those who have never actually been to college - try to mischaracterize it as simply "pounding facts into the heads" of the students. That of course is facile logic. Yes in higher education there is a lot of emphasis upon classroom interaction. Instructors tend to impart what are critical concepts they desire their students to understand.
Yet a considerable amount of work in college is actually completed = outside the classroom. So things like writing papers and projects which require the individual to do research are the really important takeaway. Rather than being viewed as "makework" exercises they serve a more important purpose. They compel the student = to learn how to "teach themselves" + how to impart that in an intelligent manner.
Moral of the story: once upon a time I went to college like many others and there I learned much. The biggest thing I learned however as alluded to above was how to do research so as to be able to answer my own questions in a structured manner so as to arrive at plausible evidence-based results.
Unlike those who today "self-research" online to usually end up with poor assumptive results which are a reflection of their own confirmation bias - research conclusions in college must be supported by compelling evidence. Further that is as as noted presented in a cogent manner. These are the lifeskills one takes away as they are employed for the rest of your life - whereas given facts of a time can change when new more compelling understanding comes to light. 🤔
_"Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for the rest of his life"_
_"Teach a person to teach themselves = and they will likely never fall prey to willful ignorance and misdirection."_
Great video as usual. But, as usual also, the comments section can be very depressing... I for one wouldn't have the courage and commitment to go on with this battle, I would certainly feel helpless. Which makes me want to thank you even more, I guess. And give a pat on the shoulder.
It would be fun to hear what are the positions/beliefs that you have had to alter in the past and what evidence caused those changes.
Thank you for making videos on this topic. Like many, I was quick to become fascinated with the idea of an advanced ancient civilisation. But while all the theorising and speculation made me very curious, I wanted to know whether or not there was any actual, undeniable evidence to the existence of such a civilisation, even if it was just a small number of things, or even just one instance of proof that could not be explained any other way. Your channel takes on that angle, looking at proposed evidence in good faith, but with a much needed critical approach.
Yes there is evidence in the form of more and more ancient archeological finds that are pushing humanity further and further back in time. Recently there have been some finds pushing that date back to 2.2 million years. As incredible as this is, it is in fact true. So this goes along with what the ancient civilization group theorizes. Some of these structures were built long before the Egyptians and there is no doubt that the Egyptians worked on top of an already existing structure of some type. It is about the same as the Romans built on top of Baalbek. As always some folks HAVE to claim, NO, we built it just like some folks had to insist that the sun revolved around the Earth.
Ancient societies had different building techniques that appear incredible to modern observers because those techniques were lost as technology changed. Even between different ancient societies there are different techniques needed, for example when the labor is man power or beast power, and this can give different resulting structures.
A voice of sanity. It's make me happy listening to you. I do try to explain to people. the same things your talking about but it's difficult. When most people understand very little about history or science .
Lucky students.. You are EXACTLY the kind of teacher any student should have!!! You know, you alter, you adapt, you teach... Your classes must be very VERY interesting. Thank you for posting your knowledge on the internet, so that old farts like me, can gain what knowledge you have and teach!
It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a notion without accepting it. You sir are.a treasure. Im so grateful for your videos. You fill that void with good debate. I hope more find your channel as i did.
I don’t like this video, I love it. Dr. Miano, this was the most thorough, interesting, and non-condescending “lost ancient civilizations” debunking video I’ve ever seen. You included excellent points alive never heard or even thought about before, and I’m certain it will stimulate some productive discussions and critical thinking about this often decisive topic. Thank you for all you do!
Glad you enjoyed it, Brenda!
@@WorldofAntiquity thanks! :)
@@WorldofAntiquityhave you seen Ben of UnchartedX? He is doing precision measurements and publishing 3d scans of ancient artifacts.
@@decentralizeddemocracy8335 I've got a video on this coming out in the next day or two.
Yeah, I love this fair and analytical style of rebuttal. Non-condescending is very important. Thats also why I love Stefan Milo’s videos on the subject. When I was briefly brainwashed by Graham Hancock for a few days, I’d come across videos that felt very condescending and “looking down their nose at you” and it would put me off. God I was stupid for letting what turned out to be pseudoscience actually convince me. I always laughed at people who believed in psychics, astrology, and homeopathy. I always envisioned myself to be beyond that stuff. I actually thought Graham Hancock was an expert historian and archaeologist until I decided to Google him beyond what I’ve seen from uncontested one-sided RUclips shorts. It’s the biggest lesson for me to learn to never turn off the skeptic in my head.
Edit: And my god, I had no idea Graham Hancock argued the ancients used telekinesis to move blocks. Holy shit. I’m now even more embarrassed for falling for him.
I think this channel is definitely underselling how stairs ~had to be~ developed once and then hyper- diffused out to the rest of the world. Maybe from the Azores, or maybe Mars or something. Because stairs are simply too weirdly peculiar to have been invented more than once, by disparate cultures over long swaths of time. Stands to reason. And yeah, from blond or red haired master craftsmen, of course. Because of... reasons.
Sarcasm filter "off". New subscriber btw. Love the channel, please keep up this indispensable work.
Petra is a good lost civilization
They don’t have a clue ..
These Miles of tombs ...in a desert
Need a lot of water to carve up so much
Thirsty work .. But some tribe of
Merchants or Rich traders just built
Thousands of Houses of Stone Inyo
Mountains.. Can we solve that one
Then go on from there
Other wise we’re just playing around
Petra is there now ...
Why are these realities not admitted
We don’t know s damm thing about it
If the Romans didn’t know about it
Then it is a lost civilization..
They would have found it
Known .. Somebody would have
Told them the architecture
Looks like Roman but not Roman
Who invented them the Greeks
Who else .. How could it not be
Known till recent times..The civilization in Turkey the temple of Jupiter .thats lost in plain sight
The Romans again ?
@@carlosdiaz2688 lol, there's lots on Petra.
I don't agree that the invention of stairs independently in different regions at different times 'defies logic'. The simplest way to facilitate moving up a grade would be an inclined plane or ramp. The problem is, the steeper the incline, the more readily one could slip and fall while attempting to walk up it. It would seem intuitive to place ridges at the approximate distance of the average footstep to help facilitate safe climbing, which would have evolved over time into the steps that we are familiar with today. You can see this precursor today on nature trails where there is a steep grade and logs are placed across the trail at intervals to prevent erosion and ease walking up the trail.
we have divine blood without any need for made up stories to prove that
but it got dirtier since normally it was spreading everywhere and growing in numbers rapidly when food supply was increasing
but maybe we aren't eating real food anymore it would explain a lot
So the sea level didn't rise following the end of the ice age? And coastal settlements cities weren't lost? Perhaps not the lost Atlantis empire, but a civilization at least as advanced as the city states of Greece or Sumer. I admire Dr. Miano's scientific skepticism, but just as with Carlson or Hancock, he has found his own niche, and he appears to turn a blind eye to any contradictions to maintain it.
As a geodetic engineer, thank you for pointing out that exact measurements do not exist, but always contain an indication of accuracy, i.e. a combination of mean result, reliability and precision.
As an example, there are two people standing on a roof in Paris looking at the Eiffel Tower. They both guess the distance between them and the landmark. One says between 5 and 10km, the other says between 7 and 8km. They each look it up on Google Maps and both find a distance of 7.5km.
Both guesses or eyeball measurements had the same accuracy, their guessed mean distance was the same as their measurements in Maps. But the first one had the best reliability and poorest precision. The second one had the poorest reliability and the best precision.
But here's the kicker: the measurements they chose as a decider measurement, they made in Google Maps, potentially far more accurate (more reliable and precise) than their eyeball guesses could ever be. However, their results were supposedly exactly the same, 7.5km and e.g. not 7.495 and 7.528, but probably between 7.4 and 7.6km, or a precision of 200 metres. It could also have been that one measured 7.8km and the other 7.2km and that they averaged their Maps results to end up with 7.5km. The unit resolution of their guesses determined the precision they needed from Google Maps to decide their bet, which was only needed in kilometres, pius or minus a half.
So in reality their guesses were neither exactly right, but simultaneously both were 'exactly right'. The first guesser had a much higher probability of getting it right. The second guesser was far more precise.
There is a mancala game hollowed out on one of the blocks that either built the Pyramids, or was discarded in the process. Something was bolloxed up up ahead, and the workers got themselves an extended "smoke break." But since tobacco wasn't discovered, they had to settle for mancala.
Proof these workers were humans not that unlike ourselves. "Oh, they'll clear it up, so you can't go home yet!" I can hear the foreman say.
Great video, I think it’s always important to have both sides of the evidence shown in a proper professional manner. With no toxic debates, this can help spread knowledge the right way, once again, great video.
I like to think that it might be possible that there were ancient advanced civilizations. However, I also understand that they are most likely confined to the realm of stories and legends.
We have developed almost all modern science in a few hundred years. If just the higher tech aspects stopped now, certain elements would be stories in a few hundred years and pure legends in about a thousand. Name one person you know that can manufacture a cell phone despite knowing all about one... Or better yet just imagine the circle of people in your life and ask yourself honestly which ones can even live without the modern grid.
I've been following the theories of Ancient Astronauts, Lost Civilizations, and Ancient High Technology for a while. Even from the start, I didn't literally believe most of it, but I did find some of it interesting or entertaining. But in time, I grew frustrated, because it seemed like some parties weren't even trying to find the truth but just making stuff up. Like, that one guy - some know - who used to point out everything circular as a space helmet.
The theories have shifted over time. I mean back in the space age it was more focused on ancient flying chariots and astronauts.
Then in information age it's seemed to shift to academic cover-ups are to blame. (In part this was true, but not often in the extent suggested.)
Now when modern people are focused on issues like climate change, the theories about the past focus on ancient climate change caused by cataclysms.
So, the theories of the past, especially fringe ones, seem to be a mirror of our present and speak to what we are concerned with in our age.
For example, there is and was in the past bigotry and racial bias and that led to Euro-centric academics and theorists buying into the linear progressive view of history in which the more ancient peoples must be more primitive even - disparagingly - "savages". This has meant that when artifacts that exhibit human craft and cleverness and engineering are found "the primitives" can't have made it, thus these aliens and dynastic races appear to be advanced and do things primitives that must exist in the past can't.
But that's like the bigoted bandage on the bigoted worldview. We should have just been declaring that ancient peoples were not "primitive" in the sense often applied. They had *different* technologies, including different ways of thinking and communicating, but were physically and mentally just like us today. They had their own geniuses and their own average people. They could adapt and problem solve.
And I am certain some people who are into the idea of ancient civilizations do understand this. Their "lost civilization" was only lost in the sense that it wasn't being perceived and acknowledged. Like, when we were *not* taught that any Native Americans had cities due to various political and racial biases. But they had cities and towns and monuments and trade and astronomy, etc.
But there are also those who make claims of "lost ancient high technology" which confusingly seem to be saying that clever feats of engineering and craft were accomplished in the past but that because they were told it was a primitive time with primitive people then it must mean that they somehow had access to advanced tools or technologies. And it's not always clear from one theorist to the next whether they are thinking the people were also more advanced than previously taught (true in cases where the linear progression was formerly asserted to exist) or whether they are just replacing the "dynastic race" or "aliens" concept with "a more ancient people from before an apocalypse".
Surely humans did survive some climate changes and disasters. Not sure we *need* an ancient civilization to understand rise and fall of various cultures over time as events made it necessary to adapt.
But we probably should acknowledge that people in ancient times whether 2000 or 10000 or 40000 years ago were people with their own intelligence and creativity and weren't necessarily any more "savages" than we are right now.
Halo sort of represent sun and some images they claimed were flying saucers also represented the sun.
Excellent five star response: ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
they were more capable because they ate real food
especially before inventing farming and consuming inhumane food
In 1949 we did not have the tech neccessary for space travel....
When a society decides something is important things can get done fairly quickly. Be it going to the moon or constructing monumental architecture.
Absolute gem of a video. Putting rational and scientific arguments would always help the field positively.
The Vincan civilization has an undeciphered writing system older than the Sumerian script. Would love to see you do a video on them.
Think you might be wrong here the Incan civilisation started like 4,000 years later than the Sumerian civilisation did
@@joewilliams4153 Think you might need to read the original comment again he said Vincan not Incan look up the Vinca culture in Europe their prime was around 6500 BC
@@p.mrtynjy wrong, the neolithic culture was around 5k and 4k years ago
@@joewilliams4153 Do you mean the Caral-Supe civilization? the Inca weren't that old and many civilizations came before them. It's also very likely that the Caral-Supe civilization had some form of proto-writing.
I appreciate you tenacious little heel biters. This is interesting and I'll enjoy digging into it later.
I mostly enjoy your videos, including this one. I would enjoy seeing you do a comparison of the polygonal stonework from the different continents. Unfortunately the only videos I find on it are by the usual cast of characters. It fascinates me and others because it is so unique and certainly seems to be a distinct "style" that spans continents. It's not just stacking rocks, it is a very deliberate effort that also seems to leave a signature of some lost culture. Another big question I have regards the claims that evidence of tobacco and cocoa leaf use has been found in the tissues of mummies in Egypt. Both are New World plants. Would love to see you do videos on these.
While the mummy thing is intriguing, the test was all made on old mummies that was around for long in privat collections, then came to the museum. Contamination is a big issue when doing such analyses. Without finds on "new found mummies it's hard to tell this a truth. Also the used mummies are no more allowed to get new further analyses... so.
For example tabacco was used a time to preserve mummies, the cocaine is an other problem, but it was largely used end 19th, and beginning 20th, without problems, so again, contamination is a hight possibility.
@@DakiniDream he did a video about the mummies, and it's excellent. Addresses everything in detail. You'll find it in his video list. 👍
@@jamescromer550 he ? - i have read a full paper recently on Academia treating about these mummies, there was enought controversies about them and the analysis, but like said, without further analyses on them, and new cases found on other more recently found mummies, we will never be able to tell.
Can you please debunk the latest UnchartedX video? It's absolute rubbish as usual. I feel bad I used to believe that guy. Once he went on Joe Rogan I realized how disorganized he is with no hypothesis except everyone else is wrong. His latest video is a 3d scan of an old granite vase that he predictably says is too advanced and too perfect to have been made by Egyptians that we found them buried with.
We found all these objects buried with all these people.... but they are soooo pretty .... *sparkle sparkle* so shiny ... me no understand... me jealous ... how could someone in ancient times know how to do something I can't figure out😫😭😭.... impossible... Im so smart... I can see that there's no way the stuff buried with the people surrounded by the tools they used to make the stuff, could have been made by those people with those tools! Impossible I say. Aliens
ARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHĤH. The irony of them so often using sheeple teem, Im sure is far from lost on you. As hilarious as their idiocy is, the alternative history conspiracy nonsense is catching on at an alarming rate and it's adhérants are zealous... I know I'm preaching to the choir. Good day, sir.
@@SeanMahoneyfitnessandartI very much appreciated your comment. Sadly yes they are zealous. It's funny how the people who claim to be so scientific are in fact the least scientific.
@JonnoPlays thankyou.
And yes. 💯 exactly. You really want to take a dive down the rabbit hole of insanity.... check out the flat earth scene these days... yikes... SciManDan has a pretty good flat earth debunking channel that's pretty funny. He has flat earth Fridays and tinfoil Tuesdays. Professor Dave also does a lot of good debunking on religious stuff as well as hot button topics like the science of intersex people for example.. and of course Forest Valkai ... check them all out for entertaining debunking... but also be prepared to get frustrated by the insanity of the people they debunk... have fun.
i'm happy to hear him say he's capable of changing his mind when presented with more information.
Ancient lost civilization I believe in is that the early European farmers from anatolia that spread throughout the Mediterranean were much more advanced than we think.
Not spaceships and lazers but much more interconnected, with larger cities and closer to or slightly more advanced than the Fertile crescent.
That Monolithic builders of England, Sardinia and Caucasus were connected through complex trade networks.
Only one from that continental civilization we studied well are the Minians, but think that there were more such cities and cultures all over Europe, especially around the black, Agean and Adriatic seas, A.K.A. where we actually find advanced civilizations already.
Great stuff David. Yes, I wonder about flood myths and the Black Sea inundation argument in the 6th millennium...there were some impressive settlements going on already in this time frame...wonder if any were on the coast of a giant freshwater lake at the time the Mediterranean came to visit the basin...
when I saw historical geographic changes of that region it really got my attention
it for sure created Indoeuropean creation myths
Slavs much later on were choosing to settle on islands surrounded by water or swamps
it was a religious custom not only practicality
Just a great video. I know I'm not alone in really appreciating the knowledge and insight you share with us. I feel like I'm getting a free education and actually enjoying it. So again, well done.
"There are pyramids here and pyraminds there. It can't be a coincidence!"
It's not. It's a really stable way to build something with ancient tools and resources.
Absolutely! ... and while we're building this lets make the 13 acre foundation perfect to 1/2 on one inch level. Mind as well line it up near perfect to cardinal points. How about we make some line up to winter/summer solstice? Here's another good idea, let's use 2 ton stones because they are so easy to excavate and transport. The only think left is to decide how many bedrooms to install. Never mind, let's just make one room and just bury people in it. Woah that's one hell of a tomb stone.
@@stevene9785 I would love to see evidence of the precision that you claim.
That being said, I think I could pull a string tight to create a very straight line. Or, I could have someone put up markers between two points I'm staring at. That would also be a straight line.
You didn't use the often quoted "can't fit a piece of paper or a credit card between those blocks" argument? Could that be due to everyday people walking up and sticking anything and everything between the blocks? 😉
@@jamisojo "That being said, I think I could pull a string tight to create a very straight line." Across 13 acres? LOL You think that because you do not understand engineering. They probably used a laser level to achieve a straight line over that distance. lol
Yeah those ancient tools that helped lift 70 tonne blocks of granite over 200 ft in the air. Those ancient tools must have come in handy
@@jamisojoyour an embarrassment asking for the evidence of the pyramids alignment. Take your head for a wobble
I always struggle with the argument that mainstream historians/archaeologists etc couldn't acknowledge lost civilisations or changes to the current norm.....as if that's not what the vast majority of them dream of discovering.....
Great video! I have friends among the "alternative history" crowd, and, as an historian, it makes me a little batty! I have much more faith in humanity than to rely on aliens, etc. I also have a sense of certainty that there were advanced (for their time) civilizations, but also that they are younger than 12 thousand years. I look at neolithic settlements that were truly huge in population, but are dismissed because they lack centralized government and worship centers, and I think "that looks pretty advanced, 2000- 3000 years before Uruk..." but no flying cars or lightsabers (damnit!).
Thank you for pointing out the improbabilities, while still keeping an open mind for lowered expectations.
my dad had a flying lightsaber and he was born in the year 54456 by *our* reckoning, which would be ~24 000 BP for you.
I just found your channel and I've been binge-watching it. I'm so grateful for your videos debunking these myths. I used to believe them but my logic is running in the background of my mind. Again, thank you!
Me: (watches this and also Bright Insight)
I know you are right, but I can’t get those ”bumbs” out of my mind… What are they and why do they appear in so many different places? Gives me a headache…
I always use the old adage "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
While I believe it’s quite possible that some myths were created from legends (which were in turn based on real events), they’ve become so derived that it’s (near) impossible to tell what (if anything) within them is true.
It's even hard with modern pop culture mythology and we have the history right there.
I never understood the Ancient Technology conspiracy, if it was true what would it change?
It would make the Bible correct
Unfortunately some of the conspiracies are motivated by bigotry, assumptions that certain civilisations were too primitive to have created monolithic artifacts.
@@BigDaddy-vr2ut How?
@@waveygravey3575 it would implicate the space Hebrews
@@andybeans5790 Judging by the comment from George, yeah I think you are right.
I don't care if it's lost or not. I just want to know how they did it. How did they transport the stones, especially so fast . How did they cut them and lift them. Don't care about conspiracies
Don't expect our historian host to even attempt to answer your questions. This is what people with a hidden agenda do.
Lots if videos out there showing methods of moving big rocks that don't involve spaceships
I always enjoy your videos which bring a measure of that valuable commodity common sense to an argument.
Regarding misinformation (or, perhaps, misinterpretation) there was the case of 3 sets of humanoid footprints found in (then) Tanganyika during the early 19660s. They were considered by one commentator to be those of a family group and stretched for about 400 yards. He added that they were not tool-users as no tools had been found in association with the tracks. Actually, all that indicates is that, if they did possess tools, they could walk a quarter mile without dropping them.
Regarding manufacturing accuracy with ‘crude’ tools, I have a slate disc of diameter approximately 25 cm. I have measured it’s diameter at 5 degree intervals and the variation is less than half of one percent. It was measured and scribed on a rough, rectangular blank using a stone scribes attached to a leather strap with the free end held under the maker’s thumb. The surrounding material was then gradually chipped away using a beach pebble. I know this because I watched it being done.
Keep up the good work.
(For Context I wrote this before I finish the video)
My biggest thing is: It depends how we are quantify “advanced”. Is this civilization advanced to me (As a 21st century westerner) or Is this advanced to a culture still foraging and napping flint?
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What is the civilization advanced for the time period in comparison to its neighbors, or what we know of them.
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What quantifies it as lost? Does the civilization itself have to be discovered? Or literally physically or lost to history/myth.
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Because in my more “grounded” definition of a lost advanced civilization, we’ve discovered a few. Like the Nok civilization, Which by my metric could fit that classification as they were smelting iron centuries before we have any evidence of other cultures doing so. I would consider that sufficiently advanced.
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I don’t think it’s inconceivable of a cultural site that was lost/abandoned during the desertification of the Sahara. (The Soninke left Dhar Tichitt and other cities in such an event.)
Respect for debunking common misconceptions of our ancient ancestors. These ancient people deserve respect. I find a lot of these conspiracies have some kind of racism rooted in their theories. They ask “how could these ancient people in Africa or Asian or Americas create such amazing things? Oh it must be tall white people from Atlantis or Aliens”. Not saying that all ancient advanced technology believe this, just seems to be a trend I’ve noticed.
Or tall white aliens from Atlantis. Yet they can never explain why their only evidence consists of over-interpreted artwork, ruins, and myths (aside from handwaving and invoking super-advanced technology that doesn't look like technology). Future archaeologists will be digging our stuff up and either wondering what it is because they're at the equivalent of the 19th Century, or wondering what it is because they're so advanced they can only be certain that we knew how to make synthetic materials.
Uh oh not the race card here too 😂
@@TheVeillin- Racism is usually the underlying reason for ancient supercultures.
Pretty sure everyone is aware that nations like Japan and China were just as competent as other high civilizations. Egypt is also a really good example.
@@jclive2860- Ancient Egyptians were seen as white for too long. Heirs to Atlantis.
Asians were advanced, but....
Anything to keep the fantasy of white superiority alive.
It is really great to have someone with a scientific background speaking about this topic here on yt. I think it is really important to pass knowledge in a digestible way, as you do. Thank you for doing it.
There is one good thing about those alternative theories, they draw the attention of average people, who have never had a chance to study this topic in detail at school. As a result they extend their knowledge even when they start with alternative views. Just by watching content with people travelling to ancient sites it is very educational.
I also think questions like “did aliens (helped to) build it” or “did Atlantis exist?” are legit questions to ask. Because there is a chance that it might have happened - for now not really a big chance, but that chance exists. And I think it should not be ridiculed because "we are all astronauts on Spaceship called Earth" who are exploring this world and still have tons to learn.
Thanks for posting this content. I love ancient history and speculation about what could have existed in the distant past that we haven't discovered yet, and am loving this fact and evidence-based analysis of it.
@bchristian85 - Dr Miano is also EXCELLENT at identifying and correcting logical fallacies.
Only recently i worked with a carpenter who did not know what a Stanley,Yankee screw driver was.thirty years ago they were the thing before drill drivers.
Hi, I was going to put this in one of your videos about Egypt, but here seems just as good. It concerns your comment about how you're open to a form of advanced -for-its-time ancient civilization before those currently known. I would assume that Upper and Lower Egypt wouldn't be too different from Egypt when it was unified a bit over 3000 BCE-they would have just been smaller versions of a united Egypt. That means they must have had writing for however many centuries before then, so writing must go back considerably further than a bit over 5,000 years ago. What are your thoughts?
BTW, many years ago I read a book that posited a civilization that spread around the world about 4,000 BCE. Thor Heyerdahl's research was used as evidence for a culture that spread over much of the world,. IIRC, it was from Mesopotamia and it colonized places as far afield as Manila and Managua. In fact, it argued that similar "man" sounding names of coastal cities was another sign of this lost civilization.
I hate the Atlantis stuff- it's just really dumb and offensive. Real life archaeology is just so fascinating. All these strange civilisations arising in different parts of the world, all the differences between them, and all the similarities as well, the endlessly diverse, inventive responses to the challenges of getting through life that different cultures and eras have thrown up- it's utterly amazing. The Atlantis fans just seem to want to throw most of it out the window and to attribute all that variety and creativity to some unknowable monolithic culture that's either been carefully deleted from existence or was created by aliens. Despite the fact that they love to think of themselves as the open-minded ones, their vision of ancient history is stupid, devoid of interest in the human experience, and completely lacking in imagination. A lot of it's borderline racist as well- they generally seem a lot more invested in claiming that non-Europeans couldn't have created their architectural marvels than they are in denying the wonders created by Greece or Rome.
I've seen a bit of evidence of a lost advanced ancient civilization but when I say advanced I mean comparatively not necessarily modern levels of advance like the fact that during a time that was supposed to be even pre-agriculture people created gunung padang an 24,000 year old pyramid the size of a mountain granted it does have several layers that were believed to be made thousands of years apart from each other b different people groups but it's still impressive that they were able to create something so advanced so early on
I think (hopefully by not sounding too insulting) that people genuinely want to believe in a hidden history, in the process rejecting all serious scholarship and, frankly, the accomplishments of our ancestors, simply because it's too hard to accept that this is it. There has to be more to the life we see plainly in front of our eyes. There has to be more to our history than the simple narrative of one generation after the other making gradual, back breaking additions to civilization before mortality catches up and snuffs them out forever.
I think that's where the beauty really lies. That human beings, all cultures and ethnicities, contributed like worker bees toward the betterment of life on this planet. It's a much more captivating story than aliens and giants and lost civilizations. Humans are amazing (well most of the time).
Very good point. Understanding and empathizing with what leads anyone to endorse such enchanting yet pseudoscientific, unsupported theories might be a big part of addressing their root causes, ultimately cessating the demand for such (almost certain) falsehoods.
I also think that people want to be entertained and certainly don't want to read a textbook.
They clearly don't run around trying to disprove their own opinions. Once they have formed an opinion that satisfies their needs, changing it is not easy.
I am very interested in the idea of an ancient civilitzation and have had an interest on what mainstream historians had to say. I find your point of view very realistic and honest and has reduced the hype I had about the topic. I believe there were many attemps at civilitzation through several tens of thousands of years, attempts that most likely did not make it that far. With your expertise about the findingd of the time would you consider it realistic that several cultures tried at some point to had an established civilitzation and attempted to use agriculture but did not manage to get to the point of a grand civilitzation? Buildings most likely made out of wood with a such a low yield for their 'agriculture' that they would not have lasted long enough to flouridh and expand the attemps at proper agriculture. Seems to me very realistic that before the first successes there should have been many many failed attempts through several thousands of years. Even more so if there was huge animals that made life more dangerous and the changes in weather/temperature were way more aggressive than now. That may explain the myths of destruction of civilization, since for many generarions many small villages (considered civilitzations for the time) may have been destroyed in different manners, and with every year they may have exagerated some aspects
Another good video....shukran! I will continue to hold out hope for the discovery of a "lost, ice age civilization" if only because, as you state in your video..."it makes me appreciate their (ancients) capabilities even more." After all, if modern homo sapiens like us, with the same brain capacity as us, have been around for 150,000 years (perhaps 200K), surely there must've been an Archimedes, Pythagoras, Da Vinci, or Einstein that popped up during that long interval...?
That said, your perspective is needed on here (are you on Rumble and/ or Odysee?). I look forward to more. Finally, though you've critiqued Randall Carlson in the past, I think you'd be a great "guest star" on their Kosmographia channel given your extensive knowledge of ancient history. I hope they reach out to you (or you to them) so you all can pool your knowledge & see where it takes all of us.
Stay safe!
Imho the approach "ancient cultures could never make such a flat surface /exact angle" is insulting and shows a real lack of knowledge about how such tasks can be done. They calculated the whole construction of pyramids and similar buildings but they had no chance to make some rock shiny by rubbing sand on it or by putting an angle on it? Really?
And those ancient supercultures (aka aliens) had the huge advantage of "having power tools" and were able to make a perfect angle? Why could they do that and not the ones that we know of?has anyone seen the cathedrals in Europe? They had better tools but for sure no better "angle technology" or power tools but somehow managed to get those tasks done. Once you know how to do it you can replicate it and the ancient civilizations has a LOT of time on their side so I don't see any need for some godlike creatures that differ only so far as to be good at doing great angles.
"and the ancient civilizations has a LOT of time on their side" Oh absolutely. After they spent the day dragging around 2 ton blocks of lime stone and of course rubbing sand on the surface they simply stopped in the walmart for that silly stuff like food and clothes. They had a lot less time on this planet then we have now.
@@stevene9785 why would the people pulling limestone blocks be the same people who do measurements and are craftsman?
And they didn't go to Walmart. Other people brought them food. The Egyptians weren't cavemen.
@@jamisojo " The Egyptians weren't cavemen." You are displaying your lack of understanding of the current time line of human development as currently proposed by Egyptologists. That is because this is what is being proposed. Egyptians pretty much stepped out of a cave and built the Great Pyramid. Amazing folks for sure.
The fact that the history of Mycenaean Greece wasn’t passed down to the “Dorian” Greeks in a 500 year timespan, really shows how laughable ANY recollection of the younger dryas comet would be seeing that its 10K years ago or 20x the length.
Yes, but aren't there Native American stories in the Pacific North West passed down from the Ice Age floods 16K years ago?
Well there was a history. It was the Greek myths.
Oh yeah, the other thing these people miss is biogeography stuff (wrote this before you brought up human genetics), i.e. humans spread food plants, domestic animals and rats. So any advanced ancient civilisation would have spread organisms to all sorts of places if it had been wide spread. Not to forget either they'd have developed domesticated plants earlier and the rather comprehensive stone age trade networks that would have spread them everywhere. And frankly, any civilisation in contact with Central and South America would have totally spread chillies everywhere, as humanity seems addicted to these fiery fruits.
Also, ancient mining for metals etc would have left significant traces, and yet there's none cited. As would rubbish piles, even stone age societies produced significant middens that have lasted centuries and provided a wealth of extremely useful information. And yet, these are strangely missing from the "evidence" produced for ancient advanced civilisations as well.
And one last thing on teh rats - there's a tiny section in NZ that believes for completely batshit reasons that somehow the Celts made it to NZ and were wiped out by Maori settlers. And yet the only rat found in NZ before europeans arrived is the kiore (Rattus exulans) with no signs of european rats until after european ships started making landfall for whaling.
That's a very compelling argument. Even a wholly vegan culture would move plants...and definitely chilis, tomatoes, potatoes, cocoa, corn, all count among foods one would definitely transplant.
@@crhu319 You forgot coffee. And all the drugs.
You have articulated the truth that has been obvious all along. I have come to the same conclusion that earlier civilizations were skillful and efficient enough to produce monuments defining their existence and achievements. We would rather romanticize and believe in advanced civilizations or aliens for our inability to duplicate their way of expression.
Good video. I appreciate that you focus on the evidence. I think people are capable of amazing things given enough planning, resources, and time.
Outstanding work once again. I really appreciate how concise and eloquent this is. Much alternate history or pseudoarchaeology is so ponderous and schizophrenic in its reasoning and sometimes I think purposely so, that any counter argument is forced into being the same level of ponderous and schizophrenic. Or maybe it’s just an easy intellectual pratfall.
It’s fun to wonder about but far too many people believe things without sufficient reason to. I used to be one of them. About a decade ago, when I was in my twenties, I started down the conspiracy rabbit hole. After a few years of arguing with people about everything, I evaluated why I was believing such things despite the fact that they had little to no evidence. I never believed everything (some were obviously nonsense), but I still held ridiculous beliefs because it was interesting to me. I believed in Bigfoot. I believed in some sort of lost civilization. I believed in several alien accounts that have either been proven hoaxes or have no evidence to support them. It’s fun, to think you know something others don’t. But when you mature you will look back on it all and feel nothing but embarrassment. Don’t embarrass yourself. Study and think yo your hearts content, but do not promote ideas that are not based on reality…. And remember that people LIE! The same people telling these conspiracies are getting rich off books, documentaries and conferences. It’s a racket. Graham Hancock is famous, and sells a ton of books. Far more than a rational archeologist who writes about reality. Would someone like Graham Hancock ever admit they are wrong? When they are getting rich off of this stuff?
Usually one grows wider and broader with age and experience, you have proven this to be the opposite. So yes I guess you are correct, people grow old and believe their age equals some form of credence.
I've watched this a few times now. It's a remarkable video and presentation by the good Professor; a sober overview of a complex topic. Thanks to David for this engaging summation.
Genetic evidence alone makes the idea of an early civilization completely untenable. In many ways, it's the slam dunk argument against any such hypotheses.
Thank you so much for bothering to make these podcasts in a time when the world around us is so crazy. You wouldn't believe how many people around me believe in Woo. It frightens me. Now I've got ammo.😊
You are a superb teacher Dr Miano! 💙
How do you explain the ancient copper mines of Lake Superior, some of that copper has been found on ship wreaks off the coast of Europe. Go to "Petroglyphs Provincial Park" , Ontario, you will see it.
Where are you getting this information from?
@@WorldofAntiquity You've heard of the copper mines of lake superior, you know what I'm talking about. Stop ignoring it. Start there. Its of course a national park, you will start to see that as a common factor. ( Isle Royale National Park) Science America wrote : "These-an-cient mines extended over a tract of country 100 miles long, running from N. E. .to S. W". >The only way for the copper to get to the St Lawrence river and sea bound is across land in Ontario. Look at a map, , Niagara falls was in the way. It came as far as it could by boat/ship, then across land in Ontario. Go to "Petroglyphs Provincial Park" with an opened mind. It was discovered in the 1950's by a white man mineral prospector, then soon claimed by the indigenous, all the stories have been authored since claimed. . This was when kids were taught Christopher Columbus discovered america, etc. It is now run and managed by indigenous no more digging, no more more studies. It's sacred land, now. In the book, Gateway to Oblivion, the author speaks of an obelisk that once stood in the waters of lake Ont, coincidentally in the protected waters of now, Presqu'ile Provincial Park. I'm older, ive studied this for years. Has nothing to do with ancient aliens or any youtuber etc. I first visited PPP, in 1997 and right away knew something was odd. I was almost attacked for getting my camera out!. Go to PPP, you will see, "they" will not allow you to take photos to prove what you've just witnessed. The "teaching rock" is waiting for you. lol. . Be sure to check out the rare lake on site and "nanabush" ..kinda looks like (kufu's graffitti). There's a few videos on YT,,,but you will not see the "teaching rock". There's a few BW photos from the 50s online. Hidden under "Peterborough petroglyphs" Last known photos....and they are very selected. Notice the ship?....that's not a canoe. Check my story out, I would love your opinion. Don't automatically jump to "indigenous" created this. There is also other connections with the mounds in Ohio (serpent), and south america, I think its all connected. Burial mounds with mummified bob cats, etc.
"""Michigan copper in the Mediterranean""""
As far as the weight of objects and moving them, you should see the work of Wally Wallington, who moves and erects multi-ton "megaliths" (OK, cast concrete megaliths) by himself.
I can hardly wait till Wally excavates, cuts, transports, and lifts a 70 ton stone to a height of 200 feet. Can we say apples and oranges?
@@stevene9785 Wally Wallington makes, moves and erects multi-ton "megaliths" by himself. One man. He's moved a pole barn over 300 yards, by himself.
Just because you don't like the answer (that humans are more than capable of erecting megastructures without the assistance of AlIeNs) doesn't mean it isn't true.
@@boomanchu2 Here is what we can be absolutely sure of.... A force of men, dressed in sandals, with levers, copper chisels and stone pounders did NOT excavate, transport and stack 200+ million stones to a height of 450 feet in 20 years. period. Should we even discuss moving a 100 ton stone "bull coffin" into the Seripum? Needless to say, these things exist. That means "someone" had to do it. Sorry you don't like the answer but the Egyptians did not do this. Get your head out of the clouds.
Can you please share a link to these tools you spoke of when mentioning the tools they used in Egypt to make those holes? Im not a power tool proponent but you didn't share much info on the tools you mentioned
See the references below my Historian Reacts video.
Well essentially I think we don't give the earlier people as much credit as we should in terms of art and textiles. The recent findings in China desert burials with pants, hats, jackets, shirts, etc. help me appreciate a different kind of "Advanced" in our past than what is often discussed. The use of buttons and needles certainly seem to go back much further in the past than I grew up appreciating. Buttons and needles were a thing I grew up with interacting with Grandma but time and time again I see stories of just how far back this tradition goes in time and I'm amazed. We seem to have been dressed to our nines for a very long time. It seems if the YD impact was as horrific as evidence is mounting it seems more likely that those weather conditions played a larger role in motivating mankind into creating more advanced society out of a survival instinct to address limited resource constraints brought about by an "endless winter". Perhaps focusing at least briefly on whether man hunted megafauna to extinction or whether the entire ecosystem melted down would be useful in understanding just how far the resource constraints had gone to encourage technological advancement to substitute for resource availability. So instead of trying to find the advanced civ, we could try to appreciate just how such a near-extinction event could have helped encourage us into developing responses that led us to where we are today. I'm also intrigued by the years without summer in the 6th century paired with the Justinian Plague and the subsequent enlightenment, although not as horrific as the endless winter the global impacts seem immense. Which then begs the question just how horrific European volcanic events were in the previous 40k years in terms of human development worldwide... even if the folk weren't that advanced did these climatic events encourage major population migrations or for that matter just outright spell the end to various cultures (less advanced)? Even if there wasn't an advanced civ prior to Younger D, I think it would behoove the world to appreciate the potential for such an impact in the future on our advanced civ and strive to create a planetary defense system capable of blocking further asteroid strikes from such major impacts. Not so sure I know how we can address the volcanic events but those too should perhaps be studied enough to prevent magma chambers from exploding too violently and also setting civ back to the days of only cool hats. While the cost of developing a catastrophic volcanic mitigation approach may seem staggering , the cost of not doing it to me seems even more staggering in the long run.
I concur, alot of these similarities are just universal solutions to the same problems. Cheers .
Exactly!!! Anyone can easily see that in Egypt they had a problem. Of course the problem was how to burry a dead man. So they can up with a brilliant idea to move 1000's of tons of stone from far away and stack it up to a pyramid shape for stability in the most difficult manner. Problem solved. But wait! Can you believe that the guys in Peru, China, Australia, Africa, Russia (and who knows where else) had that same identical bury problem? Needless to say, they all came up with nearly the same solution. Got to hand it to the ancient man for such innovative thinking.
I think "ancient aliens" and other ideas are essentially colonialism/racism. Thinking that no 'primative' people could do great works really is bigoted.
I also think pulp fantasy/horror/scifi/weird fiction from the early 20th century really cemented the belief in forgotten advanced ancient cultures. RE Howard, HP Lovecraft, CA Smith, et al. all wrote and published such work.
Thank you for this video, though. And helping to end the plague of ignorance.
Your a horrible person and il would like to meet u. Those words are terrible. I live in England I hope u do so we can meet up for a chat. Terrible let me know if u would like a coffee together
Colonialism and racism, your a tool
It might come off that way.
More likely it is simply exploitative con artistry of lazy people out to make money from the ignorant by using archaeological evidence to weave a somewhat plausible fantasy, and then denigrating the very people who actually discovered and documented it to prevent the con victims from ever realizing that they have been duped.
Think about it - the likes of Brien Foerster, UnchartedX, Graham Hancock and others are constantly pushing something that costs you something one way or another.
Be it tours, books, lecture tickets, or merchandise bearing their names, even TV appearances.
It's all a business to them, and likely most of them make far more money annually than the average well respected veteran archaeologist as a result, at a cost of very little time and energy spent by comparison to achieve that wealth.
The archaeology based fantasy is a hook to keep you watching/reading long enough to click on their merchandise store, or to book tickets for their next tour of ancient sites - this last one makes me laugh to be honest, how people can ever take Foerster seriously when he's basically getting to travel all over the world for free all the time (well, almost certainly making money on it) on the backs of his spellbound audience is beyond my limited understanding of human folly, even the tour videos he takes on those travels feeds back into his RUclips channel to dupe yet more suckers into it.
Mark my words each and every one of those people will retire very wealthy - some may even just hire someone to keep running their business if it remains profitable to do so.
@@Endle185 I live in England myself, and without a doubt I can say that our civilisation is responsible for some of the most horrible acts of colonial oppression and racism of any in the modern world.
Our history doesn't even attempt to hide it - we just don't teach it so much in schools, but the records are there plain as day for anyone to research and see for themselves.
The same outlook that made it easy for the British Empire to commit these atrocities is what caused Brexit more recently - aka nationalist exceptionalism.
The Americans have it themselves, either by inheritance from colonial times, or homegrown in the time since they became independent of us.
@@mnomadvfx dear Kenny, do you blame the dains for invading England for centuries, or blame Italy for the actions of the Roman invasion of England, do you also blame the Ottoman Empire for the slave raid of the British isles, the list goes on and on , that life it’s a cruel world .Your a clown , and immature, sad really .
I'm starting to question sir if your more against the procedures that SOME of these alternative historians have taken than the reasonably questionable anomalies of the past.
With all due respect there are many missing chapters in our history. As we try to fill these chapters in we can use critical thinking of course to make educated guesses of what our past was like but in no way does it absolutely discredit the possibility of an advanced civilization...
the truth is we need more people to question the mainstream timeline of ancient history, we need more imaginative thinkers to make connections that straight forward thinkers don't.
We need evidence, not dot to dot practitioners.
Of course there could have been an advanced super civilization in the past, just like last week a check for a million dollars to me could have been written, mailed and then lost. However until there is evidence it is simply an amusing speculation not to be taken very seriously.
We of course have had vast numbers of fantasists who have speculated all sorts of weird fantasies, history and archaeology have attracted vast hordes of these people. So there is absolutely no shortage of such people. So many of them do however have a couple of unpleasant traits.
1), They frequently are astoundingly ignorant about what they speculate about.
2), They frequently turn into mysteries non-mysteries.
3), They frequently have an hysterical over the top conspiratorial view about "orthodox" "fill in the blank".
4), They all too often engage in distortion and falsification.
5) They forget the whole burden of proof thing.
6), They are the great majority of the time simply wrong.
7), They often have a persecution / martyr complex.
For every 10,000 cranks, at best one maybe right about something.
I simply find these people amusing and only rarely thought provoking.
@@makinapacal Sure. People who lack critical thinking and intuition concern me too. I agree with the overall scientific procedure when it comes to what we deem as fact in archaeology (I won't say I'm absolutely fond of certain procedures) however the last thing I want is for mis information to be spread in mass.
You seem like a logical guy so tell me would you not consider it advanced that many ancient civilizations from around 2,000 - 4,000bc understood large cycles of time as well as events that took place THOUSANDS of years before their time.
Example, in many great civilizations like the mayans, hebrews, hindus, and sumerians you'll see repetitive calculations of time (with slight variation in magnitude) some of these sacred numbers we used today on a EVERYDAY basis.
Mayan Calendar:
1 Baktun = 20 K'atun = 144,000 Days
(There is 1,440 minutes in a 24 hour day)
1 K'atun = 20 Tun = 7,200 Days
1 Tun = 18 Winal = 360 Days
1 Winal = 20 K'in = 20 Days
1 K'in = 1 day
Pre Diluvian Sumerian Kings
Aloros | 36,000 Years
Alaporos | 10,800 Years
Amelon | 46,800 Years
Ammenon |43,200 Years
Megaloros | 64,800 Years
Amempsinos | 36,000 Years
Opartes |28,800 Years
Xlsuhtros |64,800 Years
Danos | Danos | 36,000 Years
Eudoroches | 64,800 Years
total = 432,000 years…
Vedic Calendar:
(Divya Span)
Kali Yuga = 432,000 Years
(True radius of our sun)
Dwarpa Yuga = 864,000 Years
(True diameter of our sun)
Treta Yuga 1,296,000
Satya Yuga 1,728,000
Total May'ayuga = 4,320,000 years
Now the hebraic calendar mainly consists around sevens, it is highly contradicting so I'll approach it from a different angle. In reference to the Cherubim (Ezikiel 10:14) The man (Aquarius), The Ox (Taurus), The lion (Leo), The eagle (Scorpio); Is the complete model for a span of time call the "Great Year." This span of time in total is 25,920 years, it is the same span of time which the earth with our solar sun slowly transitions through the 12 zodiacs (representative of the number 12 consistently throughout the bible!) this is called a "Precession" Each age or completion of one constellation is 2160 years, it can be broken down into 3 phases (Going in, progressing, going out), divide 2160 by 3 and you get 720 years; that is consistent with 1 K'atun or 7,200 days regardless of the order of magnitude. Even still you can see the Mayan use of the wheel (360 degrees) created by the Sumerians. They even use it to a degree where they use a four sign system associated with the four directions…
@@makinapacal I know you probably won't take the time to read or even look into all of this but my point is our ancient ancestors were definitely more advanced than we give them credit for. Some of the accomplishments we are achieving today our ancestors have records of already achieving such features!
I can go on alllll day about anomalies. In fact I'm actually looking for different groups where I can be proactive about such things...
The intriguing part about it is mainstream consensus will make speculations about such anomalies alot of times with not much solid proof.
The truth is humans are faulty, professionals make rookie mistakes sometimes. Regardless of our views we can all pose as helpful to eachother if we take our ego out of the picture!
@@claudiaxander yes indeed. We also need creative thinkers! Mysteries are not only solved by critical thinking, mysteries are also solved by creative thinking.
Example before the classification "Homo Bodoensis" was made public I have LITERAL PROOF in my dream journal thats a couple weeks before I dreamed of a hominid species that started with the letter B but couldn't find anything on it until an article appeared weeks later in the same context it was shared with me in my dream...
I've dreamed of events in the past that I was able to wake up and find actual facts on. I've dreamed of events that have taken place the same day, I also have dreamed of events that have taken place in the future.
To science this is subjective and unexplainable. To my ancestors it's pretty normal and called priesthood.
What I find most intriguing are those who try to bridge the gap between spirituality and physical reality because spiritual abilities can be explained by science. Maybe not basic science.
Thanks for this rational explanation as to why we are not seeing any signs of the so called lost civilizations or advanced societies that mysteriously disappeared 12,000 years ago because of some cataclysm. Your video validates in more specific terms what I have felt for many years.
Difficult to see = what never really existed....... Think the planet Mars. In truth it is just another dead planet whose only "value" is its proximity to Earth. Yet over the past century thanks to the entertainment genre - specifically science fiction = an obsession over the planet has taken hold. Years back people believed there were "canals" on Mars and hence fabricated all manner of now silly assumptions about the planet - assumptions which Hollywood built upon via movies and television in the ensuing decades.
Moral of the story: the whole "lost civilizations and advanced cultures" narrative = is identical....... It is fiction built upon what Hollywood etc. has pushed in the largely entertainment-based culture for decades. Sometimes we allow our flights of imagination to get the better of us. This is why we need to follow the actual evidence rather than our assumptions. 🤔
The temples or ruins at Göbekli Tepe in Turkey do show that thier were organized societies 11,000 years ago. So their were probably other potential groups maybe even early city-states that have long vanished in time.
An organized society and a city-state are two very different things, but yes, who knows what might be found.
"Too impressive for known civilizations..."
Read, Africans couldn't have done that.
Thank you for keeping to truth and justice. Ma'at would be pleased.
I'd love for an offshoot of this series tailored towards JUST the pseudo-history shows on History Channel. I think that is another driving force behind the popularity. Shows like "Ancient Aliens" and "Search for the Lost Giants" have become mainstream to the point that people believe that if it is on the History channel, there must be some shred of truth to them, despite them being made for viewership and ratings. I love Pseudo-History also but again, for entertainment purposes and inspiration for my D&D games I run lol. My other beef with the community is the forum it has given to white supremacists that reduce ancient non-European accomplishments down to that of aliens or giants.
"Over here we have bumps on stones, and over HERE we have bumps on stones!" Lol that cracked me up
@@samw.6876 so a common construction method among civilizations that had no contact. And you don't see an issue with this. The problem is that you're all sheep and lack even a simple critical thought process.
This is very cool. Very sober and very respectful to the people that basically call you a narrow-minded-lying-fool.
Calling this respectful is hilarious
Thanks for keeping it real.
appreciate you treating it respectfully