Mirror Universe : The Terran Empire Government
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- We break down the Terran Empire itself in this video. The Terran Empire is a Fascist government from the Mirror Universe.
he Terran Empire was a repressive interstellar government dominated by the Terrans from Earth in the mirror universe. The Empire ruled by terror, its Imperial Starfleet acting as its iron fist. In Starfleet, officers promoted themselves by killing superiors that did not follow the rules of the Empire. Torture was a common form of interrogation.
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It seems that the Terran empire is the Roman empire that never fell. There are so many clues from the salutes to the gods to the attitudes that very much seem roman. It seems to be a good strong story line
Yea, I do think that's where they were going with that.
xchanticochulox The Klingons put Tyler's mind in a Klingon body and did surgery to make it look human!
Lore Reloaded. Nope it was from City. The Roman Alternate was a new story in the line of Miri stories. Alternate Earth coincidences in this universe and this reality that made different choices. Fictional device for a moral lesson.
Bread and Circuses shows that Uhura was a church lady in the 23rd Century. She schooled the three clueless white atheists on Christianity. Ohhhhhh SNAP. So religion isn't completely gone by 2267.
That's a different episode.
We can also assume if this the truth, then the "primarily" language of the Terrans might not even be "English" as we know it
Every Stellaris run in a Nutshell
JCDenton 2012 Let’s be Xenophobic it’s really in this year
Lets go and find a slimy alien to fear
There's no more cutesy stories about E.T. phoning home.
Let's learn to love our neighbours like the Christians learned in Rome
@@johnroach9026 we know we ought hate
I wonder what the Mirror Universe Borg are like? "We are the Borg. We only want to procreate with anybody who is willing". 5000 Seven OF Nine clones beam down. Good times.
Put me down for that. Might take me a while by 5000 seven clones. Damn. Death by snu snu 😂
And instead of machine implants, they don't wear anything, just biological tools to help them procreate
@@eatpoopoo jeesus, that was distubing but hella cool!
It`s hard to say anything about Borg. I`m pretty sure Q wasn`t interested in Terrans so he didn`t introduce them to Borg, but they might be the same in their Delta Quadrant. Eventually Mirror universe doesn`t mean everything should be 100% opposite to the Prime one😀
@@insertanynameyouwant5311 haha actually, i can't remember where i saw it, but apparently Q MADE the mirror universe... Completely as a troll to the federation and Picard in particular... That does seem like something he would do... X'D
1950's western hemisphere to me it all points to Walt Disney founder of the Terrain Empire.
+Kuldip Binning ......mother of God..
No it’s TRUMP who caused it
Or typical Americans thinking their the Centre of the universe
Hiel Mickey
hail mickey
"Where he dropped acid"
Exactly, lol
Straight trippin Bones!
The only way McCoy can get rid of his space sickness is by getting LIT
"DAMN IT MAN, I'M A DOCTOR, NOT A DRUG ADDICT!"
@@brickman940 Kirk: Bones, I am behind.
A facist government devoid of racism and xenophobia where any one could advance through hard work/obaying the law?
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Would you like to know more?
Hahah, We would need to define 'obeying the law' ..but that could be an interesting idea..
That's the tricky part isn't it.
The laws would determine whether this is a racist utopia or dystopia.
But either way you have to be a citizen to get the right to advance and vote...
So join the Mobile Intrantry today!
Yea, I got the reference there instantly as well ;) I need to do an ad for the terran empire in that style ;P
Are you talking about the book or movie.
sakuradl definitely the Paul Verhoeven film. Which was designed from the ground up to be satire
It's called the "mirror universe" because the TOS episode where we first saw it was called "mirror mirror."
It also likely has to do with the quote "for we see now through a glass darkly."
..ok
Human-centric racism? Sounds like the Star Wars Empire.
Except older (also holy crap someone who was a freshman when you posted this could've graduated by now that's crazy)
I know it's not canon, but I read a ST:TNG novel where Picard went to the mirror universe. The book was written before DS9's take on that universe, so they were still very much the Terran Empire. Anyhoo, Picard read their history and it turned out that there was never a World War 3 and that they'd never learned the lessons of mass genocide and come together peacefully afterwards. I wish that the show had gone this route with the story. The ships were more advanced, particularly the engines. The conquered territory of the Empire was 2 or 3 times the size of the Federation's explored space. Definitely find this book, it makes an interesting read.
Agreed
Does this novel have a title?
@@warriorking0723 Dark Mirror by Diane Duane
0:55 "pointing out a place where he dropped acid." Man, those trippy 60's.
I always liked the Mirror Universe. They tried to have the opposite of the Federations as the Dominion but it didnt really work. Having this Terran Empire that conquered and ruled the stars over the Federation that united the stars is a very good counter story
For every success the Federation made threw peace you have the Empire do the exact same thing threw war
In some ways its a shame in DS9 they had the empire become broken and beaten, it could have been a fun story arc to have the Federation and the Empire come into conflict
GodReapersX I'd love to see s successful Terran Empire! Maybe have them square off a "Mirror Dominion" that values freedom and coexistence between races.
Well, the Dominion does favour co-existence, but only between the "solids", because of genuine distrust they have for them, it just that you lack total freedom, it was more a smiling face version of Fascism, I know, people have hard time seeing other forms of it.
In the Mirror Gamma Quadrant, when the Founders originally left to explore the galaxy they found that "the Solids" reacted to them with wonder and delight. As a result of this experience the mirror Founders developed the philosophy that all races should be free to chose their own destiny.
They believe this so strongly that they will often intervene to aid smaller races threatened by larger empires. This makes them natural enemies of the Terran Empire.
there is one that is successful Terran Empire
If you think thats bad think about the Mirror Dominion and whats known on them thus far...make our version of them look like wimps!
Long live the Empire
#fortheemperor
Long live the Empire!!
I agree but I feel you have the wrong one
All hail, Emperor Tiberius!
Terra Firma!
What I like about the Terran Empire: dose crazy dudes with beards and dem sexy midriff bad babes.
The best part about the Terran Empire was all the hot woman!
I glad that you add that the Vulcans join the Terran empire later. Look on as equal status as the humans later.
Sophia Wilson The Klingons put Tyler's mind in a Klingon body and did surgery to make it look human!
no I am talking about the other subject.
Carl M. No, they modified a klingon body to look human using Tylers body, then used tylers mind to mask the klingons.
Sophia Wilson i say theres two different timelines here. The one from TOS and DS9 with different races in the empire, perhaps after years of fighting after first contact.
Then another timeline was created when the Defiant appeared, it changed the ballance of power from that point and the humans never needed to ally with Vulcans and the like. Leading to the mirror verse seen in DSC.
Interestingly, if its not the case that means the Spock and his father are on opposing sides of a major conflict🤔 so typical of them!
Hey that is good point thanks but I read that the over years the Vulcans was had equal statues thanks to T-pol (there rebels Vulcans against Terran Empire in the early days of ENT) There is non canon stories that T-pol and Empress Hosi work together to bring Vulcans to fold.
Have you ever read the TNG Novel "Dark Mirror"? If not, I can highly recommend it.
Also, the Mirror Spock book, Sorrows of Empire?
The book is excellent and while I wont spoil it for anyone, it does get more into the roots of the Terran Empire and many of the parallels of it versus the Federation. Also from this and other novels, the Terran Empire comic books are also in circulation and are well written and as for the Imperial Picard, well you will be suprised at how ruthless he really is.
Oh yes, Diane Duane delivers a book that really makes the Terran Empire a vicious ruling power that makes the Romans and Nazis seem like puppy dogs. Every species is enslaved and conquered without remorse. She has written quite a few Star Trek books, including "Ship of the Line," which describes Picard's first mission on the Enterprise E. It also explains that Picard was not the Enterprise E's first commander. It was Morgan Bateson. That's right, the captain of the Soyuz class USS Bozeman from "Cause and Effect (TNG)"
I've read it. It's very good. I also highly recommend it.
Dark age of technology my old friend.
HERESY!!!! THE INQUISITION SHALL EXTERMINATUS YOUR PLANET NOW WARP SPAWN!!
Use tachyon pulse and seal the Warhammer 40k universe in their home universe.
Barry Bend problem is that 40k is in the far future.
Why do you think I said tachyon as it's the go to in star trek for temporal disturbances.
Your best bet is isolating the warp.
I always thought it was pretty lazy of them to use the exact same ship models for the Terran Empire ships, like come on, at least throw some big canons on the thing or something like they did in Voyager "Living Witness". The idea that, in an alternate universe where humanity is very authoritarian and militaristic that the ships would be the exact same the peaceful Federation built for exploration is pretty silly.
I think the TOS gets a pass because the show was pretty low-budget campy but shows like Enterprise where they just paint the hull yellow (some combination of red, white and blue, or if you really want to go full evil, a black and red motiff, would probably make a lot more sense, yellow/gold is usually associated with economic wealth, not political and military power). A missed opportunity to make some badass weaponized versions of the NX or Enterprise D (which I guess they kinda eventually did with the Galaxy X).
2:10 The possibility that is just propaganda has to be accounted for. Of course the empire would exaggerate how long it's been around.
One thing though, the Terran Empire was resting on very shaky ground as its command hierarchy was in theory in constant flux as a way for advancement was to assasinate anyone above making every Terran with any kind of position probably extremely paranoid.
SO calling it an "Odd hirerarchy" is obvious.
But Mirror universe Spock's reforms was also the reason for the Empire's/Terran Republic's downfall due to the scrapping of its military.
The assassination method only worked if you didn't get caught. But even so, you're not wrong.
Empires like the Klingons and Romulans, and even Terran Empire, require substantial manpower and resources dedicated to internal policing of their subjugated races. Both the Klingons and Romulans boast 'empires' essentially subduing and ruling over other species within their territories. To what extent these subject species are involved in their societies is never made made entirely clear, as far as I know. However, it's made pretty clear that they persevere through conquest and military intimidation of their subject species.
The Federation has the advantages of the combined knowledge, personnel, and resources of all their member worlds and don't have to police themselves internally with their fleet.
The Klingons and Romulans presumably would not have their advantages. Never have we seen non-Klingon or non-Romulan scientists or officers of any significance or number in their ranks. And to maintain these subject species would require considerable internal policing and monitoring of their technological development, I would think.
With so much of their attention and resources, not to mention single-species manpower, needed internally, the fact that they can still manage to rival the Federation externally speaks very highly of their military might.
PathsUnwritten. Thats not how it worked for the Spartans.
Mind explaining?
PathsUnwritten. The spartan society was built on slavery, the majority of people were slaves with sometimes as few as a thousand actual Spartans at any one time. While they were said to be in constant fear of rebellion it never seemed to be a real threat to them and its not how they fell.
That a multicultural, multispecies entity would not need to allocate significant rescources to internal policing is a naive dream and nothing more. If Roddenberry wrote it, sure, but only because of word of god. Otherwise there are simply too many conflicting interests, differences in ethics and wordviews to the point that a militaristic entity ruling by fear has better chance of remaining stable as one who relies on compromise after compromise.
I agree. If we use the UN on earth today as an example of The Federation, we can clearly see how fast things go south.
I think Discovery I mean STD should be left out of the conversation as they are not part of the Prime Time Line in the first place.
My theory is that a Group or someone went back time introduce a lot advance teleology way too early the humans meet the Vulcans in the 1900's or early in the 20th. In the STO they meet the Vulcans in 2063 but it is suggest the Vulcans knew about the humans way before that.
Edith Keillor didn't die in the 1930s. She convinces the US to be world pacifists and they lead a world movement to avoid WWII. Hitler and the Nazis had time to develop their nuclear program and with their V2 rockets they captured the world.
~Lt Cmdr Spock 2267 (1967+300 years)
that is alter time line not the Mirror Universe.
Tangled with my mirror counterpart the ISS Normandy. He’s just as aggressive as me and it makes a far more difficult opponent then I ever faced before. It’s 50/50 right now with our fights and SFC knows to get me if he ever comes back
I always saw the Vulcan invasion referenced by archer was a “history is written by the victors” situation.
I think it's implied as well with the way Archer responded. Humans either lied and indoctrinated the future generations to truly believe the Vulcans were invading or Terrans are so warped they can't fathom mutual exchange (though in the context of Enterprise it's interesting that there distrust in the prime timeline as well just not extreme)
I would assume that the mirror universe began with a victory for Nazi Germany. Just with the timeline and everything, that makes the most sense for me personally.
Mirror Mirror 1967/68 season was taken from the edited out material of City on the Edge of Forever. The Pirate Marauder Enterprise, in the original Ellison screenplay was what they beamed up to after the crewman that saved Edith in the past had changed the future. GR and DF took that out to shorten the story to one hour. They liked it so they saved it for an episode next season. Ellison originally wrote a two parter, but since GR had reworked The Cage footage as the two parter, the network didn't want another one. In 1967 there were NO season ending cliff hangers either in US TV.
So this Mirror Mirror, as fiction, is produced by the Guardian due to free will, as an alternate universe or otherwise there is only one universe and one reality. Kirk comes to realign them back onto a Logical GR utopia path, but keep the adultery. GR liked the adultery.
Every Mirror Mirror since then was fan service, and nothing more. Bizarro Superman Comics. Fun time for the actors, not having to play such still paragons every week.
It could be less of a mirror than a parrel universe! Say, if the library of Alexandra was never destroyed & even developed the printing press. Earth would have been thousands of years more advanced technology!
We are the borg resistance is preferred
Fascism is not inherently racist. It is statist, authoritarian and typically nationalist. The extreme racialism of the National Socialist movement was something of an aberration within the far right regimes of the interwar period. Dropping the nationalism and conceding the obvious differences in economic theory, there is little else to distinguish the repressive regimes of the extreme right from those of the extreme left.
I think it's something appealing with how the Terran Empire operated. In a lot of ways, it was what the idealized Klingon Empire is about. A very brutal but effective power. You don't adapt to other cultures, you conquer them and they become part of the empire, which is why it made sense with the first TOS episode of no racism from within humans and other races they have conquered. You are a citizen of the empire and anyone can rise to the top if you have ambitions of glory but above all, your goal is to the strength of the empire
That doesn't sound bad, however keep in mind that someone might have similar idea and thus competition and rivalry within the empire exist.
Edit: Kinda like the Old Sith Empire, anyone can rise to the top.
@@voidkat4202 Well like all empires, one's own ambitions outweigh their patriotism
Upon digging a bit further, I came to find that the Terran Empire was actually the result of a conglomeration of Disney, Wal-Mart and Amazon. You can Google that, by the way.
i would say that if WW2 would have turned out different is where the Terran Empire comes from
Nice Intro. Could there be multiple "Mirror Universes"? An Enterprise Mirror universe and a mirror universe that interacts with the prime? I don't watch discovery because I don't want to support that stupid subscription thing they got going on, so I don't know about Discovery Terran Empire. Also isn't it interesting that the Terran Empire got the USS Constitution and the empire didn't advance that technology
(From a lore perspective, doesn't discovery interacting with the mirror universe mess up continuity? The original enterprise was the first to interact with the Terran empire)
Thank you on intro.. It's my first phase of upping my game and seeming more professional..but keeping that 'discussion' feel. This format was inspired by Space Dock. Though I don't intend to go that channel's exact route. Someone presented an Idea I find intriguing.. that a Mirror Universe exists for every alternate universe. This would mean that the Mirror Universe we see in discovery is simply the mirror of the alternate non prime universe..which makes sense..if not confusing.
Indeed there probably are. Most other Scifi (like Stargate) generally subscribe to the idea that alternate realities are practically infinite in number and variation, even Trek in the episode "Parallels" goes that way, and it lends itself to the assumption that the mirror universe is just another quantum reality (term used in Parallels).
The general idea though seems to be that this particular mirror universe is the one people more commonly cross into by accident because ever since the Tholian kidnapped the Defiant from the prime universe it weakened the border between these two specific universes.
there is one Mirror Universe that Terran Empire is still going until 28th.
If there is one alternate timeline it seems logical that there could be an infinite number of timelines.
Timeline and alternate/mirror universes are different things.
4:08 Imperial State of America
Ironic you said that because during the reign of George W. Bush, yes I said "reign" because he really thought himself a ruler, rather than a leader elected by the people. In many transcripts to the media, Bush was regarded as consistently referring to the United States as the "American Empire" and that America pretty much is an Empire in all but declaration only. Since the classic definition of an Empire is rule by either economic strength or military force, that pretty much does describe America. And as the term "president" is derived from the Latin word "Praetor" which means overseer or landowner this can be construed as a term also for Emperor sans being elected. So The Imperial State of America is already here, it is the truth, and has been for a long time.
@@deathstrike Interestingly, "Praetor" is also the title assigned to the leader of the Romulan Senate.
There are some hints that suggest the USA becomes an empire that takes over the world in the mirror universe
Does all this not seem familiar to now and days hmmm real life I mean fuk federation must rise not terren never
The Terran Empire originating in America is extremely believable today.
Starfleet was not done at the end of the best of both worlds. 39 starships did not represent all federation starships. What if the enterprise had rammed the cube at max warp? Likely the cube would have taken massive damage allowing time for the remaining federation ships to gather and engage a badly damaged cube along with the Klingon armada. Perhaps a group of say ten abandoned starships could be put on auto pilot and crash themselves and destroy the cube.
now here me out. is it possible there is a mirror kelvin timeline. although the split from prime timline happend at the distruction from the USS kelvin. what if in mirror spock still hellped the romulans resulting in the same events happening just with the ISS kelvin.
I don't hate that idea
I always thought that had the Borg and the Enterprise-E not going back in time to 2063, only then would the Terran Empire would be "born". Remember, Zephram Cochrane wasn't the altruistic engineer who invented the warp drive for the benefit of humankind. He wanted to make money. Coupled this with an unstable environment at that time, and you would have had a Terran Empire. Also, it would have been nice to see a proper Mirror Universe of DS9 and VOY, though, you sort of had that in VOY.
That is why in the mirror universe they dont go back to 2063. The human race is enslaved by the 24th century.
The terran empire has promise....^^
Terrans are a great mirror to the Federation. Even with the brutality, they still achieved an advanced society with cunning and intelligence. A lot of great stories
Yeah it's based off of the Roman Empire, not Hitler's fascist ideals. Fascism and Imperialism is two totally different forms of government, similar in some ways but different. But again the Terrian Empire isn't a fascist government. It actually makes me worry for our future that 70 years after WW2 and no one knows what fascism is anymore.
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First they're far more interesting I'd like a mirror verse series
He SPILLED acid, he didn't DROP acid.
The Empire is this strange set up I mean Everything says it should be totally dysfunctional. You are killing someone to advance in rank. IT just seems to me like there is a whole set of Rules missing here. The Portion of the Empire we see in Ent, TOS and Disc are the Terran Military, No military in history could condone this, other than in very old an very barbaric discipline methods.
Right, if you remove the murder to advance.. it could work i think.. 'for a time'..
I got the impression that they had to have a "legitimate" reason to off their higher up. (Such as Kirk not blasting the planet in Mirror Mirror when they didn't give the Empire what it wanted).
See now we have a rule. That limits the chances of death to a Officer because the Mess forgot to serve fish and Chips on Friday.
Officers are organizers and strategists, the managers who plan things out. the NCO's under them are the guys who get it done. IF the Officers are spending half there time offing each other nothing is going to get done. Tossing someone in the agony booth or hitting them with a Agnizer seems to produce little physical harm so it's less disruptive. Yeah it's not a nice thing to do, but less destructive then a knife in the back.
When I watched Mirror Mirror way back before DS9 I thought that the whole affair was in fact the local planet's population, using powers to give the crew a bit of a morality tale on the dangers of force of will. Just an illusion, then Ds9 said no It was "real".
The Romans, Spartans and few others did practice a form of it, the most famous probably being Japan, killing off a disgraced or failed leaders, so as people have already said, if there's a good reason to kill off your leader that would be it, it would be a hell of a motivate, I'm guessing the writers didn't want to add any credence to it, because it was meant to be a mockery of things Star Trek was opposed to, the other side normally never wants to paint them in a good light.
its basically the roman empire in space. and this is star trek, if you dont open your mind to new cultures than youre missing the point. they arent much different from klingons romulans or other aggressive species anyway
Long Live the Empire!
Terra Firma!
I would suggest that there are a multitude of different 'Mirror Universes'.
This would make the most sense considering every time we see them something is different about them lol.
Star trek TNG parallels word keeps shifting to many different universe's and the book q squared
one of the theories about Alternate Time lines in general is that Every choice on everything leads to a divergent path, when you go right, there's a timeline where you went left instead,
Hey LR, will you ever be taking a look at/debating the morals behind the death of Tuvix?
Oh you mean the episode where Janeway killed a man who begged for his life and went to other crew members trying to ask them to vouch for him.. brought security and over rode the doctor to kill a man who could do both jobs? Yea, I'll be discussing that at some point ;)
Lore Reloaded Thank god, that whole episode fucked with me for awhile. Tuvix was an all around amazing/interesting character and while I do like both Tuvok and Neelix I felt Tuvix could have been far more useful in the long run
Lore Reloaded not to mention it was morally wrong all around, as they quite literally killed the guy despite his begging for his own survival
The spider on her shoulder told her to...
I like the MACOs of the Terran empire.
Discovery does not match the rest of Star Trek lore? Well that is because ... Nope it is just that discovery is shit and was written to be a political statement.
LOL
Many of the Mirror universe is the same , klingons , romulans , Ferengi , . Only earth is different.
I don't think the romulans exist in the mirror universe because there is no cloaking device
The First and Second Terran Empires were my first empires. In the First Terran Empire, I ruled over dozens of star systems. In the Second, I ruled over the ENTIRE Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
Also let's not forget that sexual abuse was openly built into even the military structure.
Thats the only reason I like Georgiou a little more as Empress. She tried to have women in less objectified positions (although I doubts sexual abuse was limited to women). And it seems that whenever the Empire is under threat, women get better positioning. Even Archer respected Hoshi and T'Pol skills even as he bedded Hoshi. Whereas the Kirk era Terrans were on top and could care less. Fascinating
Always wondered if normal nonmilitary folks are the same in the Empire? For example.....I'm a normal Joe working at the warp core factory churning out parts for the Imperial fleet. I don't like my boss.......so can I kill him and then I become the boss?
+uncletaylorify haha ..well we know that spocks reforms were massively popular which makes think the terran populace perhaps lived under an opressive military
+uncletaylorify haha ..well we know that spocks reforms were massively popular which makes think the terran populace perhaps lived under an opressive military
With how the Terran system is described it almost sounds like an alternate WW2 History where the Germans and Japanese won the war. Maybe in that universe you have a Man in High Castle situation where the western Hemisphere is basically cut in half by the Germans and the Japanese - and this is where a potential hybrid alliance was launched that eventually gave birth to the Terran Empire - and that is why it shows the western hemisphere.
Only to be replaced by the alliance
indeed
Just a thought, Have you ever considered there may be more than one "Mirror" universe?
We have seen, multiple, (subjective), good ones, (eg, STNG S07E11 "Parallels") in the trekverse. so it stands to reason that there must be just as many "Mirror" ones . It may be that even if you have traveled to one of them before the next time you cross a dimensional barrier and find yourself in a " Mirror ", you may not be in the same one you last visited. This would explain inconsistencies.
The Mirror Universe Empire could have it's beginning in a more brutal British Empire, especially IF that Empire retained it's American Colonies. The vast resources of North America coupled with the mighty British military could have Conquered the Earth. Their role model then would have been a Second Roman Empire, centered upon the English speaking Countries. This would also explain Mirror Universe Archer talking about an Empire that has endured for centuries. IF it was a Roman Empire that never fell, it would be far older than that.
I have seen evidence that Terran Empire start with British Empire, but I always lead on it based on Rome Empire. That it never fall in that universe.
Yes you are RIGHT Archer did said it started as political party in 1955 maybe it form a right wing party from the Rome Empire.
That seems unlikely as the British Empire eventually gave up being an empire. Mostly willingly. The devation couldn't happen basically anywhere past the enlightenment.
🤔I wonder how a Terran Empire vs Dominion War would go
Dominion might win by playing against the Terrans treachery by using changelings. Terrans also might not have the advantage of other powers and factions to help fight
Zefram Cochrane used Vulcan technology to quickly conquer the rest of the world and it's crippled state it was not hard and he became the first Terran emperor Cochran line of emperors
Time for reflection. 🖖
I'm not sure fascism works without xenophobia... it's kinda one of the core aspects.
Explain how fascist Italy was xenophobic to them as long as you were born in Italy you were Italian
Hail, the Terran Empire.
Star Trek is DEAD...just like Star Wars. They both are only watched by the Trekkie Types... As Shatner stated on SNL years ago, identifying the majority of hypergeeks that will watch anything for a dollar. They are the freaks that the two balanced and sane fans speak of, after entering the bathroom in Galaxy Quest that bring Jason Nesmith back to reality... yeah...he's talking about most of you that watch this garbage and comment how much they love this filth, and there are many that love filth and garbage.. Star Trek and Star Wars RIP LMAO
The irony is that you went out of your way to put down everyone that goes indepth and talks about all of this stuff.. So who's more pathetic..the person watching the stuff or the hater that trolls videos to hate on the haters? #thingsthatmakeyougohmm
No irony. Freedom to comment regardless what hypergeeks think. You want a Trekkie club, then do that. It's healthy to hear the truth and it hurts. Welcome to freedom of speech.
You misspelled speech. Freedom of Speech also is actually only relevant to a government entity stopping you. I could block you at any time, you have no freedom of speech on my channel. You speak because I allow it.. And I don't know if you purposefully do it but you missed the point where I highlight how you're not much better by going out of your way to denigrate people. Thanks for the comment, every time you do it - it helps the channel grow and more people join.
I love how the 'mirror version' of ourselves insists on making a distinction between 'goodies and baddies' and the originals are always the goodies!!!! Such a wonderfully naive and simple outlook on story telling.
"Why are they evil?"
"Because they're wearing black clothes and are capitolists"
"But we like black clothes and we are capitolists!"
"Shhhhhh....... we're not suppose to admit that, we're the 'heroes'!"
Hail hydra
In STAR TREK TOS the Vulcans & humans became allies how did that take place .
The vulcans ultimately , after being conquered, probably worked their way back up
If you meant in the mirror universe :p
There is fiction story that T-Pol from Enterprise and Hosti the Empress made deal to bring in the Vulcans has equal status.
A plot line was point out to me that in Discovery Mirror Universe the Vulcans never join the Earth's militarily collation if you follow the canon of the Enterprise's show the Vulcans announce themselves to humans, when they first launch the Rocket with first wrap speed drive. I am thinking that Humans both on Mirror side and the other side discover teleology earlier maybe in the 1900's. In the show Enterprise it is set in 2161 AD they only reach warp five. The Vulcans was holding them back thinking that they were not ready yet maybe this is not case in world of Discovery or the Mirror Universe. Maybe the Humans know about the Vulcans in 1944? maybe they already had warp drive way too soon. That Humans in the Mirror didn't need Vulcans they never met them until they started exploring other worlds. In the STO timeline Vulcans meet the humans in 2063 with the first warp drive, but they really here in 1950's if you believe in T'Pol's story.
I have a question for you since you mentioned first contact. After they did the warp jump to get noticed by the valcuns and turned around and went back to earth how did they get from the ship back onto land all they had was a cockpit there was no shuttle craft there was no transporter and just to get the ship into orbit they had to launch it from a missile silo. I didn’t see no landing gear so what did they do crash land the ship.
It's possible that in this alternate timeline the Romans conquered the entire globe, and for some reason renamed themselves to the Terran Empire. Branding? Just the use of the word "Terra" and the originally Roman salute that Hitler decided he'd use, another possible alternate is that Terra prime had come to be far sooner than it had in Enterprise, and the Vulcans had made First Contact long before they had in the movie.
So one possible route is: Towards the eleventh century, the Romans conquer and enslave the globe, rebranding to the Terran Empire, they advance exponentially quicker than we did, drawing attention from the Vulcans, say around the 1500s, Vulcans make first contact, and the humans overrun them, and begin working on space.
If Byzantium had not fallen to the Turks, the Eastern Roman Empire could have lasted until WW I, or even to today. An alliance with the Mongols would have changed things.
In the show discovery I believe there a group of people change the timeline it is either STO that alter timeline or Discovery is original is the timeline this also affect the alternate universe (mirror universe) The way Klingons look, the Vulcans not being the equals in the Mirror universe A group may have screw around with the past. (ps Mirror Universe is NOT alter timeline it universe plane onto it self)
I was always thought that the mirrow universe started when the TNG gang did not go back in time to when the first warp travel was tested by Zefram Cochrane.
He always struck me as a bit of a dickhead, so I wouldn´t be surprised if his instinct would be to shoot the Vulcans and jack their shit.
The Rise and Fall of the
Terra-Roman Empire...
So,
I wonder how it all would have transpired between the humans and the the Na'kuhl during “Storm Front” in the Mirror U.
The whole Mirrror U. premise
is pretty silly,really-
Any given person would no longer exist as the timelines would diverge so far apart,given the plethora of additional wars&murders...
Why didn't the NX Enterprise have Vulcan shields rather than ionized hull plating?
(An oopsie in the writing of ENT Mirror ep.)
Why did you sigh when you mentioned the Western Hemisphere thing?
Obvious reason the United States get blamed for everything. It was suppose to be a kinda joke but something that says hey look here's who started it the devils of today
@@chrismarks4277 fair enough even though Europe and Asia have been the source of evil for the past century. Ww1. Russia’s great purge, WW2, Holocaust. Mao’s purge. Etc
I loved Mirror, Mirror, but the DS9 Mirror episodes didn't do it for me. Then Enterprise made it cool again. Then Discovery had the stupidest twist ever. Every human in the mirror universe is sensitive to light. Why not just have the Empress and the Captain sensitive because of an assassination attempt? Why change the entire species for one crappy twist?!
Just a point I think it’s worth making. Terrans were not technically racist or xenophobic. From what we see they tended to hate everyone equally, including other Terrans.
really.............are you really surprised that discovery paints them as racist and xenophobes when tos didn't? a certain political ideology wan'ts you to think that the world is more racist and xenophobic than it has ever been when the opposite is true. therefore you are more likely to support the ideology which promotes diversity-supremacy rather than judging a group on their actions regardless of their level of diversity.
I have a theory. The Mirror Universe is a likely scenario if Colonel Greens ambition would have prevailed. Green was probably the first emperor.
Interesting but in some non-canon Cochrance is the first emperor. This is very good idea that mad man is the first Emperor (Colonel Greens the killer of 37 million people) in mirror universe.
After I finish my current screenplay I'm looking to write a pilot episode just for fun about the 21st century in the Star Trek universe. Green will be a main antagonist.
Good luck to you
I think much earlier than that considering the Enterprise used a 40-gun frigate to represent the HMS Enterprise.
I have a theory that I admit can’t be backed up in cannon. Or even in beta material.
The rise of Christianity in our universe.
Verses its failure to gain traction in the mirror.
Just a thought to put out there.
I kinda pondered that when Cochran killed the Vulcans, that was the result of Picard destroying the Enterprise-E to destroy the Borg. The Enterprise crew followed orders to stay out of time's way, but too late and it had already been corrupted, so Cochran looked at the Vulcans as an attack. That would set forth the events we saw through ST: Enterprise.
My theory in Discovery's the Mirror Universe I think is a different one that Kirk beam into with the others. Discovery's timeline is what's wrong too they have technology that they shouldn't have why is that? I think there was no World War III in the Discovery's timeline that's why they have so much technology that wasn't in Kirk's time and what happened in the Prime Universe is what happened in the Mirror Universe the Terrans did not have to bow to the Vulcans.
I find it strange that a facist terran empire would have the same ship name as the prime universe.the federation naming their ships Discovery,voyager and enterprise is acceptable.but the mirror universe ships should have different names like Hellhounds,Death from above,Ragnarok or Armageddon
The problem is, that the mirror universes don't match up. If they were all the same then enterprises universe would be the same, as in TOS it was the battle of charon that changed the federation into the empire. And if enterprises mirror unverse was the same one in TOS then how come there was no scientific improvement? Think about it there is almost a hundred years between Archer and Kirk, yet the bridge of the I.S.S. Enterprise is the same as the prime universe one. Shouldn't it look more like the galaxy class enterprise from TNG???
I don’t think mirror universe from tos was devoid of racism. Spock mentions his Vulcan associates would avenge his death.
Enterprise toyed with Mirror Universe perspective but made it clear that that there was no interaction between the two universes beyond what the Tholians did and what was in the Defiant's database. That was one thing Enterprise actually did right - TOS made it clear that the Mirror Universe was a new discovery for the Federation, so STD taking a shit on that canon fact is just flat out stupid.
I once heard the idea that the Terran Empire universe/timeline was created by the events of City on the Edge of Forever.
So if the mirror universe was a polytheistic culture, how on Earth (any Earth) do the same people exist in both realities? My disbelief doesn't stretch that far.
STD is not canon. It could be that there are multiple mirror universes, and the TOS, DS9, and ENT encounters were all with different iterations of a mirror universe. That could explain how characters end up being the same on both sides rather than diverging because different people get born over time...
The Terran Empire happened because the Nazis won World War II that was able to get the atomic bomb first mainly because of an 8 has caylor a woman caught a native caylor in her universe
Fun as it is, to get the same counterparts in every era of the mirror universe would require constant corrections to the outcome of genetic sexual combinations. Maybe it’s a video game for the Q.
Why the long sigh because some believe the Western countries are the progenitors of the Empire? Its quite obvious that they are, which is where Cochrane was from.
Enterprise around the time of the Xindi could have easily been a another 🌎 Empire. I wrote a short story about it.
Huh. So this is the Space Force Trump keeps talking about. Never took him for a Star Trek guy.
I think the empire started in the U.S. in the 1930's. the enterprise intro shows American troops marching behind the empire's banner and then we see ww2. my theory is maybe the new deal plan of FDR was more like the rise of fascism in our time line
I think the Terran Empire is Star Trek Discoveries way of reflecting on the extremes going on in the world today where one race is considered superior to all others.
Discovery is such trash... interesting idea but shit writing with a blatant slant toward social justice. I liked the the representation of the mirror universe in the other series much more.
I just find it a surprise that the change in the Kelvin for STD turns humans to eating non human humanoid meat in the STD Terran universe as the biggest change
Remeber seeing a episode of TOS where they went back in time but into a alternate timeline and even though everything was modern it was as if the Roman empire never died out. So at least that long.