The reason Sentinel is so overpowered in Marvel vs Capcom 2.
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
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Today we're playing more Marvel vs Capcom 2 on NullDC BEAR! I made it my mission to improve my Sentinel gameplay, and I think I learned a lot along the way! Today I'm going to be showing you some of the glitches and techniques that pro Sentinel players use to make this character TRULY broken. Hope you enjoy the tech video and the matches!
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Of course he's overpowered - he's just 1 sentinel in a game thats absolutely *replete* with mutants!
It is a mutant hunter/killer at that...
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ConservationOfNinjutsu
Conservation of Ninjutsu for Sentinels.
@@jamealjordon1376 that's just human history simplified
To be fair this isn't a normal sentinel but its an inaccurately scaled version of the sentinel that creates more sentinel so not only is there more than one (drones) but its also kinda buff 😎👉👉
NIMROD! in disguise.
I always wish they made this specific Sentinel an actual comic character. Just think that somewhere out there, in the sea of jobber and easily trashed Sentinel robots exists the dreaded COTA-94 model who completely fucks mutants up without mercy.
I used to think that was the case when i was a kid, I always thought it'd be a doper idea
I always imagine that would be the case if sentinels had "Field Commander" squad/company units...But that would require installing adaptive-learning AI to enhanced communication and power-source units to...and we all know how that would end up.
@@soldio4143 would? I'm pretty sure exactly that has happened in Canon multiple times. ;)
jobbers? Sentinels have constantly been an absolute nightmare to the X-MEN
If they made a new MVC game and put Sentinel in it should be Nimrod. Nimrod is basically the ultimate mutant killing model of Sentinel.
I think Mike Ross and Fanatiq said it best "You don't play Sentinel, you pilot Sentinel".
BRUH.
Sentajamal?
To this day! that’s a hard ass bar
I want to become a pilot. My options are:
A: Go to flight school, obtain pilot license, get access to a small plane
B: Learn Sentinel
Lol., 😂 🤣
Sentinel is deadass like a boss character in this game. And I love to use it.
It's like he's the sub boss of the game before Abyss alongside Magneto and Storm.
X-Men characters were so busted.
After playing this game for 20 years I've come to the conclusion that it wasnt finished
Yeah would've been nice if it had a faithful sequel...
lol but that new game feel in 2000!
In what aspect brother please do elaborate!!???
@@1Mic1Life as in they really wanted to release a new game in early 2000 according to my memory instead of wait till it is all balanced and tested release in like 2001
@@HiJakOG oh for sure man ......makes sense though they wanted a launch title most likely .....
"For some reason"
MVC2 in a nutshell
Also, not to mention:
1. Sentinel has the highest health in the game (25% damage reduction)
2. Has a self-unblockable on incoming or wakeup with his laser if timed right.
Wow, this series gotta go on, it's so good
jmcrofts: "For SOME REASON..."
me: "Aww s**t, here we go again."
Yeah, devs must've been overworked when doing Sentinel- they let so much slip through the cracks. If the game was out today, he would've been patched within the first few weeks of release lol.
It's not just Sentinel - MvC2 has more glitches than it has characters.
@@coreypatterson5827Not just glitches, but pure oversight and disparity.
Some characters were nerfed purposely, like Strider and Wolverine, although Strider got re-purposed into a viable choice by people like Clockwork by making him a tandem with Doom.
Others got nerfed simply because they were just dropped into the engine with no work done to make them compatible with the engine ie Chun Li. These types of characters have moves that just don't work as well as they did previously, such as Chun's legs super not being able to combo without an assist due to the start-up being longer or the screen freeze being shorter. We know they really didn't care about the ramifications of dumping sprites into the game without proper tooling because of how much time they spent on the new characters, specifically Cable, and his 1 frame AHVB.
They even took out her air super, meaning they ACTUALLY HAD TO LOOK AT HER FILES, but just didn't want to do any real work. Same case with most of the non Marvel cast and Sabertooth.
@@shishioh
Makes me wish there was a mvc2 remake that finished all the other characters that aren't X-men.
@@meyes5671 I'm honestly surprised that someone hasn't actually modded the game code to make improvements to the lower tier after all of these years.
They nerfed akuma for no good reason too lol. Sakura was stronger than him
Unblockable low beam setups invalidating 3/4th of the roster is also pretty OP.
Possibly the trickiest meaty in all of fighting games.
To be fair Omega Red can beat 2/3rds of the cats by spamming jumping hard punch in while superjumping
Sentinal looks absolutely obnoxious in this game, wow. Just constantly shoving boots in your face at a diagonal above you.
kind of like a character in MvC3 that rhymes with boctor boom or something like that.
@@takeshii footdive is unsafe though
@@jackg6887 Footdive looks way cooler though
Sentinel welcomed me to Marvel as he was my very first online fighting game experience,got bodied every single time and I couldn't see 80% of my character because of that flight mechanic.
10/10 Would fight him again.
After all these years, the 'unflight action mode' was a surprise to me. MvC2 is a Field of Study at this point.
mvc2 really boils down to its own science/academic or whatever due to how intricate, technical, and in-depth not only the combo system is, but the entire game
Long story short, This Sentinel is missing a TON of frames and animations that this sprite had in COTA. MVC2's lazy programming is to blame.
That lazy programming led to one of the most iconic fighting game characters in the whole genre. Sometimes you just trip and fall unto greatness.
@@davidtran1360 I'm almost certain the roster had more to do with it than anything...
The fact that most of them are straight garbage led to Sentinel being this revered. Don't know if you were around for it, but NOBODY played this character in COTA.
@@shishioh sentinel is one of the top tier characters in cota
@@shishioh Sentinel was one of the best in COTA, thats where all that marvel 2 tech came from
Yeah I watched a COTA match other day I'm like oh yeah!
He flies, can defeat the one exploitable weakness of his flight through a glitch, has massive reach, chip damage on normal hits, projectiles that cover the stage and can combo into and out of supers, a hit of super armor and can cover the arena faster than characters half his size...and that's WITHOUT assists from his team. He has literally everything.
Is it any wonder you can't turn around without seeing him in a match? How he's not banned from more tournaments is beyond me. He's the Shin Akuma of MVC2.
Because its a team fighting game you can outplay the opponent with other characters. Not saying hes not broken but theres always a chance with assist
He's not banned because people play MvC2 specifically FOR broken characters like Sentinel. If you want a polished, balanced fighting game experience then why hell are you playing Marvel?
@@Kanelel I'm not. I stopped years ago when I started seeing Sentinel in literally every single matchup. The reason most people play sentinel is because they know their opponents will; if they don't play him, they are at an overwhelming disadvantage. Most people play him because they MUST.
@@therealbahamut Hes technically better in Marvel 3 in every way but health but hes still another good character because they gave options to everyone else. Sentinel is great because most of the Marvel 2 cast is limited and not able to combo into a super on their own but even then hes not Shin Akuma. Anyone any good at fighting games knows the difference.Bnetween really good and broken
With all that, he still isn't in MVC2's strongest team, MSP.
The music alone makes me want to get back into this game. Timeless 🔥
It was better in cps2 games tho
GONNA TAKE YA FOR A RIDE
Lool the music succed azz.
@@johnny2x459 not my fault you have no taste 👀
Dude you exposed something to me that I have been curious about for years. I only brushed on this game as mvc3 and sf4 were coming out before I started playing seriously. This information is gold; thank you so much for this wealth of knowledge.
The design of Sentinel is amazingly beautiful
Love this game, i hate that its not played more on youtube
There's brett
I think it would be cool to see you explain the characters base gameplan in vanilla, then explain the competitive glitches and exploits that push him to the next level
i remember being overkilled by my brother using sentinel, magneto and storm i never understand the background of it since i was a teenager, now you came with a good explanation, never had a chance against my brother hahaha,if i was able to escape the ground combo he always find me in mid-air to lock it with the aerial combo and finisher
Right of passage lol I used to smoke the absolute shit out of my littler brothers in SFII haha
I didn't even know Sentinel had a fly mode 🤣
I don't know how difficult it is to include the twitch chat in your yt uploads, but a lot of mvc2 og's have been dropping knowledge during them and it would be great if they could be preserved.
his laser beam is unblockable on incoming sometimes
I love how you didn't even have time to talk about like half the reasons Sentinel is insane in this game. Chip damage on all his normals, insanely busted damage scaling, unblockable mouth beam, the list goes on.
No wonder they call MvC3 Sentinel Wackbot lol
Mouth beam is unblockable?
he did talk about chip normals but yeah not the other stuff. I need to pick up marvel, it looks so fun but it's insanely fast and there's all kinds of BS mix and setups in it, even battle for the grid gets overwhelming at time and this is just on a different level.
@@RandoBox Yeah when timed right the low mouth beam is unblockable.
@@RandoBox The way I understand it is that if your opponent blocks only the very last frame or two of the mouth beam, it's unblockable. So basically you can set up situations where you knock the opponent down and throw out a mouth beam while they're in recovery frames so they only get hit by the last couple frames of the move. Not easy, but the best players know how to do it pretty reliably.
When the mouth beam is unblockable, sometimes it hits twice. THAT SHIT HURTS YO.
22 seconds in and this guy is the Goat. Straight just told me how to get and play one of the greatest fighting games of all time. I didn't have to lose brain cells hearing him ramble on and I still have plenty of time to stay young and strong. Plenty of time to play this game. I knew there was a reason why I kept toning. The first video I watch of you was the break down of EHonda vs DJ. Never got a chance to actually be good at the game sense I was just a child but watching you explain the grabs and techniques just made that fight so much better and exciting to watch. I felt like I had been playing the game for years. If I'm not subscribed yet I am now
Take a shot every time he says 'for some reason"
Hey this is vaderwalk's family, he tried this and we feel like you should pay for his funeral.
More videos likes this please! Maybe from other games as well. It's so interesting to learn about the game mechanics.
I don’t know if he mentioned this but sentinel can absorb like 140% damage (please correct me if the exact number is wrong) compared to a normal character taking a hit. So it’s like having a character and a half.
One of the best fighting games of all time I was hoping it would've got release on the PS4
We used to play like this to add depth so it wasn't always an MSS mirror match:
2 bans each. No one picks those characters. P1 bans once. P2 bans twice. Then P1 does second ban.
No dupes in character select, so once a character is picked they can't be on the other team (or same team if you were on Dreamcast).
P1 picks 1
P2 picks 1 and 2
P1 picks 2 and 3
P2 picks 3
You got some really varied teams that way and needed a deep roster. The last person to win was P1, not always the P1 slot.
You could skip the ban phase if you wanted top tiers, since it was pretty much always MSSC that got banned in my town.
What you have just said is the most confusing bit of nonsense I've ever heard in my life
and I still pick the next best character and watch the people expecting Spiderman to suddenly become good cry tears of blood
That was interesting but I still have one question: Did the character select BGM singer ever take you for that ride?
Lol
I loved this game hated that song alot of songs on the game were cheesy
I unironically love the soundtrack. I get why people don't like it but I really enjoyed it. :)
Awesome video would love more stuff like this!
I've always been interested in MVC2 i played it on the xbox when i was a kid and i've watched a decent amount of it but i still dont understand why certain characters are so op and why others are not.
Thanks for the content
wow this game is like learning how to play the piano, or an sp 1200. really technical. but it's very cool.
A lot of reasons. Super armor, super strength, flight mode + good aaa, etc.
You also forgot about Sentinel's Unblockable. The ducking hp if you can make the thick outer portion miss but the inner portion hit, the inner portion will not be unblock able. There's a way to defeat it with some characters, like blocking 1 frame before the beam touches you. This allows you to conserve your guaranteed guard frames allowing you to block it, but some characters [Psylocke for example] can't use this defense at all. This can be done when a character falls in from the side of the screen, after falling from a super-jump, and after a hard knockdown in a combo allowing you to reset the damage possibly killing the character.
Super huge mvc2 fan, but your energy is what makes me hyped about these videos
His flying ability is amazing! Used to troll the easier players with him. You made me realize how much I missed this game.
I remember when this came out at the arcade. It was crowded and so many players were so intimidating due to how fast they played.
.....wrong!!!
I like the actual reason you made the video better than the way the title makes it sound
Didn't know such monster players exists on this game, i mean the guy who pull the sentinel combo at the end.
Who on earth made these sprites? All the Marvel Sprites are so beautiful and expressive omg
If you think that's good, you should look at Marvel Super Heroes or Children of the Atom and see what they looked like when they still had twice as many frames of animation. Smooth as butter.
thank you so much for this! I was never able to find this information out anywhere, and was wondering why my combos were dropping with flight!
Yo JM want a new chair? I'll throw in 100 bucks, think of it as payment for 3 years of adblock haha
He didn't even get the mango sentinel smh
Fyi all of the flight mode and Unfly rules covered here apply to ALL characters with a fly
Every time I see Dr. doom all I can think of is: "Foot Dive" "Foot Dive" "Foot Dive"
.....wrong!!!
You say the word 'LISTEN' more than Navi the fairy from Zelda OoT.
I do not play these games. I watch these because you are so good at explaining these games.
Watching these glitches and tricks, I feel like Sentinel retroactively created the “Wait, that’s illegal” meme.
Love this series, but I also love watching you get snuffed out of existence at the end by the Sentiental.
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Hey JM thanks for all the mvc2 videos because of them I got really interested and got Nulldc Bear and i am learning the game
So glad this game is getting some new blood!
Marvel will never die baby!
I just love the art style of this game. it looks so much better than MVC3
I love that you didn't even mention that his Crouching heavy Punch mouth beam thing is just unblockable sometimes for ??????? reason.
Cable Sent is definitely a really strong combo to play.
I miss those days...no nerfs, no buffs...it was what it was. We labbed and found ways to defeat those characters that were considered "broken."
I hate that i got into fighting games during this era. People spend more time crying for nerfs than labbing ways to defeat OP moves or characters.
Everyone talks about the THC but learning about the other tech is really nice
That sentinel ended up showing us the glitches you wanted to show
Greatest fighting game ever....
My "dream team" is...
Bone claw wolvie for damage and air combos
Ken and juggernaught for anti air and anti super support
Thanks for telling us about NULLDC BEAR. I wish every video did this.
How do you play the game itself though
Loving your videos! Can you please do a breakdown of the Clockwork vs Neo ft15?
MvC2 must be the fighting game with the highest skill ceiling and depth. Correct if wrong. But i miss the times where characters didn't all have one same basic combo, instead the game made you experiment from the very start. I need to see more games like this being made.
the tekken series all around are some of the hardest fighters to date, i feel like marvel and sf3 are just extremely close tho
🤦🏽You forgot the most important/broken thing about Sentinel. His unblockable laser!!!!
The amount of how to out there for mvc2 is essentially non existent. Thanks for thus
What?
Did you have a stroke
Sentinel is about to terrorize a new generation of gamers. MvC2isfree!
i have no idea what’s going on when the game starts
it's one of those games that has a bunch of layers you have to learn in succession to get to the level of "passable". and all the layers aren't spelled out explicitly somewhere. dreamcancel has a good guide on the basics but you have to learn the layers of exploits that were not intended by the devs that exist beyond that and those layers go from somewhat obscure to "only justin wong knows". if you want to be good. sounds like it's not worth the trouble but it's not as hard to learn when you just start doing it and when you start actually being able to do terrible versions of the stuff good players can do it becomes really addicting. it also helps you to be good at a bunch of other fighting games. if youre good at mvc2 your good at fighing games in general.
I mean... he is a big character and a machine. He’s been like that, same with all the big characters since X-men children of the atom
You missed a ton of points on why he’s the best character in the game.
He’s faster than more than half the cast in flight which means most characters cannot catch him if he holds backward in flight mode. His normals not only chip but have incredible range and angles that are insanely difficult to deal with. Rocket punch (rp) being one of the highest damaging moves in the game; other characters have to work for 50% combos while Sentinel super into air combo rp is easy to hit AND other characters combos might be hard to hit on specific characters like Roll, sent’s work on everybody. He has the highest health, has super armour. His beam is unblockable if timed correctly. DHC into HSF super resets the damage scaling. All 3 of his assist are viable. Sentinel is great on point, he’s great 2nd to DHC into hsf for the damage scaling reset and he works 3rd as an assist. He’s literally always good in every position
You kept complimenting him and I wasn't sure. But yo...yeah, that guy is a beast. I know a monter when I see one. He could've been a little cleaner, but still wow. More of your friend please.
Capcom should've keep him like this in UMVC3 and called him "Master Mould"
This has aged well. It's 2024 and I'm playing mvc2 on my ps5 lol
Yo Crofts, been a sub for awhile and just wanted to say I've moved on from dbfz these days and don't watch those videos as much now, that's why I always appreciate these videos.
Keep it up bro.
(Currently on SFV, but lowkey playing GG ready for strive)
I appreciate this, I have watched the game for a while but never bothered to learn all of this
Sentinel was always my anti-spiderman go to.
Just a beast of a character.Marvel are really missing a trick here not having this game out on all platforms. The cost would be neglible. So much money being missed out on.
Even with all of Sentinel's BS, I always found him a lot more fair than Cable, Magneto or Storm.
At least Sentinel can't infinite you into another infinite while building meter or AHVB 5 times in a row with a brainlessly easy motion. Also Sentinel is very easy to infinite himself. Just saying.
My boy Juggernaut is so underrated in this game
The reason = “He got the mango Sentinel”
The kind of bugs that are in there are quite unbelievable
Yo know what I'd like to see is a good video explaining how you have your button layout for this game on a arcade stick and the reasons why. Keep up great content.
LP HP A1
LK HK A2
that's the arcade layout, it would be weird to use anything else
You put this into perspective for those who want to understand but the person that initially explained was not clear. If that makes sense. I was always under the impression a HARD knockdown removed the unfly mechanic.
This is the only constant character in any of my teams. He’s kinda busted but he’s just too fun, the most fun character of the top tiers imo.
if i recall correctly mashing buttons during supers do more dmg
Only some supers
Like BB hood's "cool hunting" can get you a shit ton of damage in when you mash. Like jmcrofts says, certain ones.
lore accurate sentinel
All you have to do to get unfly is get hit during a normal jump (or after cancelling flight).
Also I think the unblockable c.hp on the incoming character is OD but maybe that's just me
good info my guy! i'm trying to get better with the sentinel myself!
How do you play? An emulator or the actual copy
my FAVORITE MVC title. Sentinel is actually unstoppable
Sentinel vs Sentinel, the tale of two Sentinels
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"Get rich or die flying." - 50sent
Beta design of My main man zbroly.
Never mind the fact that sentinel has armor and he can be hard to launch when he tags in because he’s freaking airborne when he lands. Like his original vanilla MvC3 iteration, he has a ton of health. He just does a ton of damage with his normals. Sentinel is the most overturned character in the game… and maybe Capcom did that because Marvel wasn’t a fan of the design from in COTA… nothing bothers me more about Sentinel than the fact that he does chip damage with normals (and those normals have like almost NO hurtbox). Sentinel is probably the only character in Capcom fighting games history that does that. Like why lol.
Son Son is actually more broken than Sentinel. There are so many little things about the game that even though Sentinel is a incredibly strong character, what the rest of the cast is capable of does inevitably balance things out. He's vulnerable in flight mode, his launch is like 4 frames, his supers are punishable, easy to lock down in frame traps because of his size, he's an infinite crash dummy...ETC.
I really like this series.
Yo!! Jayford aka Hologram Gootecks. I miss that guy. Man, I miss seeing the gang. I can’t wait for tournaments to happen.
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lmaooo yes bro!
I wasn't even watching live and I got excited about timer bets
That unfly glitch is the principle of an ironman unfly infinite combo... try it... i luv that one
Fly un-flys, drones, and that beam son
Someone see Sentinel for the first time: Sentinel is a big guy he must move really slow.
I used to select THREE SENTINELS against my ex friend, one in the ground, another one in the middle and finally one in the air (which I controlled) ans totally destroyed him so badly lol
Damn you a cheater bro 😂😂😂...anything to win lol
@@oshimishubunboy6274 funny af , yes Im a cheater, my ex friend lost his mind each time he lost round by round lol
@@causeis3002 So how did you keep them from just jumping in with no anti-air?> Did they just suck at the game?
@@TrollCapAmerica only with basic combos, not big deal, the sentinels are very fast if you know how to handle.