Can the Empire Trust the Clone Commandos to Train the Stormtroopers?
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2021
- We recently found out in the Bad Batch that Clone Commandos are being used to train the new TK Troopers for the Project War Mantle. Will these mutated clones stay loyal to the Empire?
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I just hope that Filoni has his own apprentice who will continue with making Star Wars a better franchise
I wish it was me
Always two there are. No more, no less.
@@uploadkitty I was waiting for someone who would write this
Filoni is young he's still got this
@@Dakarai_Knight for now…
I mean, using special forces to train troops had been a thing for a while right?
Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan...Not only us, but the Russians do so as well. For example look at Syria, the rebel factions of Donestk and Donbass. Those are Russian trained militias.
What he tried to explain is this video is that the loyalty of commandos is not guaranteed. Palpatine could easily give Commandos access to recruits and resources only for some savy Commandos to create their own personal army. They cannot be trusted to not defect, rebell or be corrupt if things are not going to their plan. If they are dissatisfied, they have enough knowledge to do considerable damage. Like the CIA and the Contras in real life.
Yeah like green beret
Last wars innovations are the next wars standard practices
Yep
It makes sense for Commandos to be training new Stormtroopers. They were partially based on the Green Berets who's job it is to train indigenous forces.
I would nut to a lego clone commando
yeah but the training the commandos had vs the training the storm troopers needed was vastly different. for example the commandos were trained to operate in small units and handle covert missions like espionage, assassination, and sabotage. they were not trained to operate in larger units on massive battle fields which is why the commandos that were deployed improperly during the invasion of geonosis were almost completely wiped out despite being extremely skilled. like generation tech said the type of special forces unit that would have done well in training the storm troopers were the arc troopers, clone commanders, or even just loyal clone troopers. clone comandos would have done well in training imperial commandos and possibly isb agents but not traditional military combat personnel.
@@youcanthandlemyname7393 its another case of misrepresentation like the jedi, who at the moment had no understanding whatsoever about military operations in general, are seen as mere shock troops and not what they really are. The skills for combat and formations can either be taught or taught better than them.
I always thought they were closer to Delta Force because they operate in small four man teams vs berets who usually operate in six to twelve and they specialize in CQB. Plus Delta Squad Delta Force I mean come on there's gotta be a parallel.
@@youcanthandlemyname7393 commandos are equivalent to green berets in today's military. Green berets act as special forces as well as training instructors of new militaries. They now how to perform large scale warfare just like a regular grunt and can teach the new militaries this.
I like how the empire wanted to make a generic army so he chose the most individualistic clones to do it
Actually, the clone commando units are perfect for training future Stormtroopers. They're being deployed to snuff out extremists and insurgents, usually using commando tactics, and clone commando units are well-trained for such operations. Rampart made a very shrewd, but wise choice. Also, many commandos stayed loyal and joined in on the Jedi-killing back in Legends, so they're still loyal enough to be good for training future Stormtroopers.
It’s kind of Rampart’s fault that the battle of Endor was an L though
@@BallinProductionDogs Nah. Chewie stealing a Walker won that fight.
I love how Gen tech made a big deal out of this and 1 year later its gone nowhere lol
@@mitchtherighteous LOL it did go nowhere.
The only problem was that they’d probably train them wrong as a joke.
Considering how the relatively small size of the base, and how secret it is, its possible that the Clone Commandos aren't training common TK Troopers. Perhaps they were meant to be more elite troopers meant for espionage and sneak attacks like the Clone Commandos. Perhaps these troopers will become assassins, future royal guards, or other more niche and elite units within the Empire.
Though, of course, this is only a personal speculation.
They could also be training TK troopers so the troopers can in turn train later new recruits.
You do raise a good and interesting point.
Stormtroopers ARE the elite force. Then you have even more elite units within.
They do appear to have different helmets
In Rebels, Rex mentioned that Fenn Rau and other Mandalorians helped train the first lot Clones. So it is already established that Mandoes were involved with the training in canon. I do think something like the Cuyval Dar existed, just not the same as legends.
Why the hell would you not use your special commando units to train the new rookies? It’s not like the clone commandos have anything better to do right now.
He explained it. Commandos loyalty is not secure. Based on their trainer or personal believes they could defect, rebell or even train storm troopers as personal army. Palpi could nurish future defectors and traitors to positions of power.
>Hunting jedi
>destroying rebels (like crosshair)
In the novels, they were tasked by Vader to hunt down the remaining Jedi, so they did have a lot of things to do, things that normal clones would not be good at.
why the hell isnt there just peace in the middle east?
@@bigcazza5260 We were getting close less then a year ago, but Biden is blowing it up again so there you go
You remember in legends that Commandos founded the stormtrooper corps?
Tha happened?? Was it in the Imperial Commando novel?
Yeah, they had training center on Centax-2
@@goodmind4940 yeah but that's for Clone Commandos to train new Spaartii Clone Troopers
@@alberto2141 wasn't it post-Order 66?
@@goodmind4940 in Legends spaartii clone troopers were introduced in the last year of the war as they were ready in only a year in comparison with ten years with kaminoan clone troopers.
Can I just say the only thing that bothered me about all this: The clone commandos in that episode were using DC-15s instead of the DC-17m.
Same, the entire episode i was wondering why they werent using the dc 17m.
They were most likely using the same weapons as the storm troopers they were training so they wanted to teach them with the same weapons
These could be fresh commandos that were thrown into the training role. So they're given whatever the Republic could give or like another commenter to keep similarities between them and their trainees.
Of course they used the dc-15s is not as if they were going to teach them how to use a DC-17m
Like someone else said it’s probably so that they can more easily train the TK troopers with a weapon they’ll be using. Like irl, you’re not gonna train a soldier with an AK-47 if they’ll be using an M4. But the skills stay transferable enough
Troopers: *We fight for the empire because we’re supposed to.*
Commandos: *We fight for the heck of it because we like to!*
I’m curious how Palpatine sold these facilities before the Empire. In the Bad Batch the Republic hasn’t been dead that long so he MUST have been building and setting these facilities up before the end of the Clone Wars.
Well, it's been explained that Palpatine had essentially inherited this business called like Damask Holdings or something like that from Plagueis after he killed him. He was basically able to purchase/use the various assets of this vast business to get whatever he needed done through essentially back-room deals and have it kept completely off the books of the Republic and the Empire if necessary.
In Legends, this was justification for how he had built facilities like Mount Tantiss and the Emperor's Citadel on Byss and work on massive projects like the Eclipse, Galaxy Gun, and Sovereign-Class ships (As well as the funding for the Clone Army of the GAR if I remember correctly).
Hey, I would like to point out that the Troopers the Clone Commandos are training actually look like the early "Imperial Navy Commandos," who i think have much better offensive gear and training than any ARC or Clone Commandos.
That’s a bold statement
@@ljackson8597 Well to give you an example, Imperial Navy Commandos have an exclusive Laser Sniper Rifle, it fires a long continuous Laser beam like a Spartan Laser from Halo , it destroyed two turbines that appear to pump liquid steel or Titanium used to make TIE Fighters. This woukd mean these pumps already have extremely high heat tolerance, and the rifle easily obliterated two of them in one shot.
I have not seen any Clone or Imperial Troops with weapons that strong, outside Dark Troopers, Hazard Troopers, and Incinerator Troopers, let alone a weapon that's a Sniper Rifle.
lancer737 but are you saying that their better then cc and arcs overall?
@@ljackson8597 Yes. These guys were able to keep up with Star Killer before dying, a pretty huge feat.
They are trained to use every weapon in the Imperial armory with a few exceptions maybe. They ate trained to use every vehicle.
Also since they are used for protecting the most important locations in the Empire when not doing Commando missions, the implications are, that they have hard countered "Bothan Spy Masters." These Spy Masters have never gotten into anything involving the Imperial Palace, nor important installations involving the 2nd Death Star or Dark Troopers.
Spy Masters can become perfectly invisible as long as they move slowly and they carry weapons like Vaporizer guns, which do as it sounds, it vaporizes the target armor and all, so a body can't be found and give away that their is a Bothan Spy Master around.
lancer737 pretty brave statement
Yes they can. Gregor has just been through much more than a typical commando and has brain damage causing his loyalty and priorities to differ from typical clones.
If the Kaminoans where really obsessed with control over their clones then why do they allow the bad batch to exist?
because there mutations were worth the risk
Because the Cuy'val Dar said so.
because the show writers wanted a badass new special forces team that is newer and more badass then the ones we already had
After examining the neck lines of Allen's shirts and Gregor's chest plate I understand Allen's kinship with the commandos
0:46 To be fair Delta Squad wasn't just in the video game, even though they didn't appear in the first Republic Commando novel, they did become reoccurring characters in the later novels after making their first appearance in the second book Triple Zero
(1:26) It's good to see I'm not the only one to see things this way. I haven't read all the Thrawn books (I've done roughly 1 and a third) - but the Thrawn I got in rebels is by no means the morally complex, intelligent villain I like so much from the books.
They should have saved Thrawn for the sequels and had him lead the new order as it was in the books. But Disney won and if it wasn't for the Thrawn we got we wouldn't have gotten him at all.
@@majordddd And as to your point on if it wasn't for Disney, there'd be no Thrawn at all, considering that disappointing attempt at a Thrawn effigy is canon, I'd argue no Thrawn is better than the disappointing one we got being canon. And Disney could have also wrote Thrawn in a respectful way in the sequals (I'd say as one of the 'Old Guard' imperials) but obviously, it didn't happen.
Is it just me or does the Phase 1 Stormtrooper armor look way cooler than the Original armor we’re used to seeing?
From the information, I have gathered from this posting, and other media about the clone commandos, they are Mission Oriented. This means they they are given a mission to fulfill, and give the leeway in their methodology in completing it. This encourages independent thinking, and not blind loyalty to any higher command authority. They act autonomously....with the Empire deems radical and subversive.
Those *Clone Commandos* look *INSANE* in the Bad Batch
They were probably train a new special unit because we know that other basic clones and clone commanders trained TK troopers on kamino. This would make scene because they are on a hidden base and they were among the first to have a new generation of armor
I think it's funny that hes say the dave is bring back legends stuff for older fans. I'm only 18 and I played republic commando when it came out
Nice work love the video I didn’t know some this information ℹ️ keep up the good work Allan
I love you Allen
❤️
I'm sure he loves you too
@@mrupperland1303 platonically
The empire is worried about clones showing loyalty but years later many stormtroopers ended joining the rebellion.
Clone Commandos training Stormtroopers has been around in Canon since the Battlefront Twilight Company novel
I wonder if they’ll follow sev’s storyline. Have him be a rogue clone that gets added to Rex’s underground network.
Damn watching that clone commando go toe to toe in hand to hand combat with the bad batch had me shooketh but amazed at the same time.
"It's Possible?!"
"Why don't you go and find out!"
I think it makes more sense that part of the reason the Empire has the commandos doing the training is to keep them occupied and surrounded by loyal troops to keep the desertion to a minimum while it was decided what to do with them.
"Who were you trained by?"
"Actual mandaloreans. Who were you trained by?"
"Some guy named Jeff."
GENERATION TECH.
I love the Republic commando book series.
I just finished Hard Contact and I will start reading triple zero soon.
The armor for the new stormtroopers should have been the design for the first-order troopers. Would have been cool to see that armor in live action.
Moment of silence to the commando who got lit up by the bucketheads he trained.
I think you should look at this less from the perspective of Filoni and the writers and more the perspective of an Imperial bureaucrat, which is what Rampart is since he’s not likely to have had much field experience.
It would stand to reason in their minds that the most highly trained soldiers in the GAR would thus make the best teachers as well, and they wouldn’t consider that Commandos were trained for specialised missions and not as part of a regular peacekeeping force, which is what the TK program is actually trying to create.
The Empire has always been plagued by these sorts of inefficiencies which showed why they were unable to suppress the rebellion effectively as their technological supremacy could only carry them so far, so assigning the wrong kinds of trainers for the future stormtroopers makes complete sense to me as I could see someone like Rampart, and even his superiors like Tarkin and Palpatine, having this kind of simplistic, narrow minded approach to the creation of the Imperial military, as it would explain the systemic problems from here on out.
Good video. Learnt a good deal about Delta Squad.
The problem is commandos and ARCs are barely focused on in the Clone Wars, so we don’t really have much of anything to go off with how they’re like as a whole.
@@jmrjosh5586 I’ve read the four commando novels, the imperial commando novel, played the game, watched the micro series, read the tie-in comics to that series and read most of the Republic comics. My point is none of that is canon anymore so in canon we don’t have much to go off of. Especially commandos since our only canon knowledge of them comes from a handful of Clone Wars episodes and the Bad Batch series.
@@jmrjosh5586 almost all of this is not canon anymore though and could differ wildly to how it works in canon now.
My only thoughts after watching this are that I miss Sev and I need to go dig my original xbox out of the basement urgently
Underrated, have you ever talked to anyone that's actually played it?
Your my favorite star wars channel
To me, it makes sense from The Empire's perspective to have Commandos training these new brand of troopers. They want to get these troopers off to a good start, so have the best of their existing military take charge of their training. Meanwhile, use the regs to maintain The Empire as it is, and have the TKs take over when they're ready. Yes, Commandos are significantly more independent than their reg counterparts, but just like the Bad Batch, they likely don't have anywhere to go. They may not agree with the transition, it may even sicken them, but they may not have a choice.
I was hoping so bad that they would bring back the Phase Three armour and I am so happy!
GT: using Commandos to train a peacekeeping force is kinda overkill
Me: HAVE YOU MET THE EMPIRE?!?
Clone Commandos and ARC Troopers both in EU had extreme individuality. If Null ever comes to canon they will be the only clones without chips. However, most Clone Commandos in the EU post first battle of Geonosis were pretty much rushed into the SOBDE and recruited out of the regular ranks, same with ARC, examples like Corr, Fives, Echo were all regs before special forces. The fact that most of the CCs in War-Mantle have nothing distinguishing their armour likely indicates they were just recruited out of the shit kicker ranks.
Also you just forgot Ion squad just flat out said fuck it and tried to save their Jedi and straight up tried to kill Vader which really needs to be a movie.
For the algorithm!
For the channel!
I'm currently reading the republic commando novels, they're great!! Delta squad is in the novels.
Hey, Delta Squad was in the Clone Commando book series. They showed up to help Kal, Val, and Omega Squad to do the mission on Coresaunt, and defected with them at least in the book Order 66.
AOTC: "They are totally obedient and will obey any order without question."
Lucas and filoni are the rule of 2. one master and one apprentice
I think Alan should be a show runner his ideas are always interesting
The deserting clone commandos are now just legends....
Why? We see them in Rebels.
@@lancer737 Woops. I still need to watch Rebels. 😂 Ouch, yet another spoiler.
The only commando we see is Gregor after he deserts though… one of several thousand doesn’t equate to the large numbers we saw in legends
@@NerdWithGuns That's what I meant.
i mean the base with the clone commandos wasnt a massive galaxy controlling military base sized installation so mabey it was some kind of special training course for a few promising recruits
I like to think they are only temporarily training them before they can get a more efficient way of training the Stormtroopers. I want those commandos on the field!
So this video just gave me an idea that would be absolutely brilliant to see executed. In the case of them increasing their power and influence what if the Children of the Watch reinforced/reimplemented the 'never remove ones helmet' as a response to taking in clone commandos and using said tenet to protect their identities when the Empire took power?
I love how Disney is just bringing back all this "not canon" content as and when it suits them.
So they can pretend they made it in the first place. I guarantee that in 30 years the entire legends continuity will have been officially re-installed as DISNEY Canon once so they can milk it just as if they released it themselves. Edit: actually no THE FUCKERS just rewrote the rule of two. So it's EVEN WORSE!
Honestly if they wanted to do this, they could have just gone the route of Marvel and DC and say "Multiple universes and timelines." It would allow more people to enjoy old and new content and for writers to expand not just one set of story telling but creating new ones and expanding those storylines
@@ShinoYomo Even then it's a big galaxy so just have this take place in some unexplored part!
Wow you’re cranky. It’s really not a big deal at all. Legends is a convoluted mess that completely screws with the movies in terms of grand scale, so of course it makes sense to ground the whole thing and pick and choose what works best with the current canon.
You can word it however you want to make it sound bad, but it’s really nothing like how you’re making it seem.
Noticed that RC-1262 Scorch was in Bad Batch. Please make a youtube video about that.
A fan of the republic commando series? Ah I see you are a man of culture as well. Also Delta squad is in the series as well.
I think it's going to be interesting to see if the clone commandos will be able to emotionally connect with the stormtroopers or if they will just be robotic. I can't wait to see what Dave Filoni comes up with!
I loved the Republic Comando video game, I wish they made another in the series. Or a remake would be cool too
Something I had wondered is if Crosshair helped train troopers, especially death troopers. His team got sent to wipe out rebels in Bad Batch sounds like a death trooper job, perhaps it and the program was the start of developing the death troopers corps leading to the menacing troopers seen later in Rouge One.
using Commados to train future Canon Foder is a waste, but for Special Types of Stromtrooper yes. ARC Troopers are the best option at best
The Commandos maybe training future purge troopers. Just a thought.
Speaking of ARCs being more useful for training the new TKs, I can't recall seeing them in The Bad Batch much if at all. Seeing one here or there would definitely have spiced up the Bad Batch's encounters with the Empire.
I can imagine some of the clone commandos staying with the empire because they agree with it like crosshairs does and some decided to leave the empire.. they did adopt mandalorian beliefs and culture and there have been lots of examples of mandalorians both siding with the empire and apposing it.
I also think it would make a good arc for the bad batch season 2 too have a spliff between the commandos that stay and the ones that abandon the empire
9:24 the one storm trooper that was too tall lol
The Stormtrooper helmets used in the Bad Batch appears more practical than the flawed ones used later down the timeline. Wonder what happened?
I still don't understand why Kaminoans never used cloning technology to solve food shortage crises or develop more mundane yet still profitable genetic technologies like organ cloning and GM crops? Surely their demand is far greater than...I don't know, clones?
Yes it is ARC Troopers they have to worry about as they are the ones who weren’t given the docility tampering
republic commando is an awesome game, if ur sitting there going screw cyberjunk and screw drm and screw lootboxes then try republic commando
While overall the commandos are more independent from the rank and file, to say they’re inherently disobedient towards the empire isn’t quite right. Sure SOME commandos deserted, but even at the end of the war there were still enough loyal to the new Empire to create a whole division of the 501st out of them, the Imperial Commando Special Unit. Honestly, I’d say the biggest reason why commandos deserted was Skirata. He treated his commandos has his own sons and sowed an inherent distrust in the republic within them. Remember, Omega Squad planned to desert from the GAR, but Order 66 just happened to be issued on the night they were going to make their break. From what we’ve seen, commando units from other Cuy’val Dar trainers remained mostly loyal to the new Empire, like Delta Squad, even though their sergeant, Walon Vau joined Skirata on Mandalore.
Do a kickflip Allen! Lets go skate! I see the board!
Always felt that the commandos were essentially star wars green berets; who in our universe routinely train American and friendly foreign forces.
7:45 *MGS theme intensifies*
I would argue that all be it being 2022 starwars republic commandos is still a beautifully made game if not ahead of its time
If they can bring back Maverick to teach in Top Gun, then there’s no limit to who Hollywood script writers can get to become an instructor, no matter how unrealistic it may seem.
The Republic Commando novels were thrown out of canon, even before Disney bought Lucasfilm. So Omega Squad already doesn't exist, and what we saw of Delta Squad may not even be the same unit.
Plus, the clones in the RC novels didn't have inhibitor chips, so everything we knew from there means nothing. These commandos are probably in about the same position as Crosshair, at best.
@@jmrjosh5586 everything in Legends? If you are a so called "true fan" you'd know that half of the legends stuff contradicts each other even without it being taken out of canon.
Removing all that BS is the best thinh that could happen to SW.
I think the ARC Troopers would be a much better fit for an elite 1st croup of Stormtroopers, since they are elite troopers, yet also lots of them were just regular clones with a new training an mentality, and were shown as loyal, order obeying, yet independent and elite in combat. They are also, afaik, more abundant, so an elite stormtrooper battalion following the ARC doctrine would probably make much more sense
I just wish Filoni would show stormtroopers kicking ass instead of being the haha funny buffoons.
I feel so bad for the commando who got shot and likely killed by the tk dudes
GT: *Independent Minded
Delta in a nutshell*
Sev: Always make sure your enemy is dead
Scorch: Looks dead to me
Sev: It is now
I just want kal skirata and the null arcs unchanged in cannon. Those books are my childhood, and I hope one day to share them with my children
Fellow fan of Republic Commando series, Scorch, Sev, & Gregor would probably be my top 3 favorite commandos.
Also the empire having the commandos train imperial troops would be beneficial due to the commandos's own experiences and training. Obviously their unpredictable nature and independent thinking could counter the Empire's methods of making their troops loyal.
Maybe you could make a video on what happened to valorum after palpatine created the empire
please cover Sebulba & the dugs!
Do you think in the new season of the mandalorian will we see any commandos if they go to mandalor or at least maybe see any with their armor
Itd be cool if the commando repainted and maybe redesigned some parts of his armor to look more mando, and then become a part of Dins team.
@@G59forlife. they would be as old as rex in rebelds wouldnt they?
@@ddpzzp553 I remember mandalorian being after the civil war. But I've only watched Mandalorian once and haven't finished rebels sooo
@@ddpzzp553 older even. Mando takes place several years after RotJ and Rebels was mostly between Episode 3 and 4.
Between Commandos, and the ARC troopers, the Commandos are probably the better pick to train up storm troopers. The ARC troopers are a little bit TOO free thinking. You'd end up with way too many bounty hunters in military armor, wielding E-11s
To your point about why the Empire didn't use regular clones: we may not have all the clone trainers. Cody could have been in the mess hall loving on some soup for all we know.
Delta Squad was in Republic Commando book 2 and on IIRC
What episode was delta squad in I need to know
the empire better hope since they just took out kamino
Yoo Alan did you think that clone commando that looks like scorch to actually be scorch or an Easter egg?
Maybe the TK troopers for project War Mantle is designed to become Special Forces rather then regular Storm Troopers or maybe they're there for a specific training e.g Gurilla Warfare or Esponiage before getting shipped out for more basic training with Regular Clones?
I still feel like Filoni will just bring back certain legends elements, but not full plots, like maybe when the empire doesn't need the Clone Commandos anymore they begin the process of them becoming those cyborg Phase II or Phase III DarkTroopers
Wait, how is "Republic commando" and underrated video game? Literally everyone who ever talks about it says it's great.
The main issue I have with this cameo is that it's SCORCH.
Boss makes some sense.
Fixer follows orders.
Sev, if he survived is somewhat possible.
But the heart of Delta? The joking, wisecracking, comedic yet effective commando training the Stormtroopers to be disposable?
The same Scorch who lost his shit when Sev was captured/killed?
The same Scorch that said damn the orders, go back for him?
The same Scorch who cracked jokes and bantered with the team to alliveate tension?
That Scorch?
Mabe if Sev was killed by a Jedi he trusted while Scorch watched, but thats the only way I can see Scorch going from Comedic killer to silent solider.
I feel like they are but if they altered like the bad batch they are loyal due to a sense of duty or its because order 66 and the chips being able to still make the neurological connection..
After seeing how Gregor sabotage the new Stormtrooper Corps nope probably not
Well at least Thrawn was still a badass bad guy on Star Wars Rebels (plus, I thought that his defeat in there was more unique and less simple his death in Legends). Besides, Ahsoka's reveal about him on the Mandalorian gives reason to think that he'll be more like his legends counterpart going foward.
Ok CCs were good for spec ops missions and top secret shit right? Well the training center woulda been a top secret military installation so your trainers are going to need a higher security clearance and the ability to keep secrets so your trainers are going to have to be some kind of special operations tho i do think arc troopers or shadow arcs would be better suited
I wonder if Filoni watches these videos, I wouldn't be surprised, he's as much of a nerd as all of us
I think they should make a game about the clone wars