Did Separatist Holdouts Actually Stand a Chance Against the Empire?
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- Опубликовано: 12 янв 2023
- The separatist holdout on Desix took a stand against the empire and was ultimately overwhelmed by Commander Cody and Crosshair. Was it futile for former CIS senator Tawni Ames to resist or did Desix actually stand a chance of holding out?
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Gonna be honest, I really felt for those droids. Hell, the tank commander and crew looked like they were downright having fun! Sad they all died:(
Same! I really wish we got droids that last and become main characters but they always die 😔
@@jaxsonlambert9750 Yeah, like R2's B1 Battle Squad
Same! Especially cause I was just thinking abt real life similarities and how these droids were protecting innocent ppl and get killed by essentially soldiers of an imperialist powerhouse
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One of them is bound to be repaired by some merchant and is a probably living freely
I want more CIS holdouts. It only makes sense considering how large the CIS army was actually left by the time of Order 66.
Looks like we will see more CIS droids in Jedi Survivor.
@@MandalorV7 But they really aren't from rhe CIS sadly, they are just reprogrammed droids used by a group of mercenaries
@@MandalorV7 and fight them :(
All cis forces were deactivated in Star Wars 3: Revenge of the Sith. There shouldnt be any holdouts at all, Palpatine was no idiot. He planned this moment for decades together with his master Darth Plagueis. Of course disney doesnt care about episode 3 at all, but still.
@@abraham2172 there were literally droidekas that luke and mara jade fought in legends
your point is wrong and dumb and so are you x
It wasn't just Cody and crosshair. That was Cody's team. He had worked with them for years. Cody was with Obi Wan, one of the best Jedi generals. Cody's battalion and team was one ofthe best clone armies of the republic. Up there with the 501st. That entire fight scene was excellent, you could feel the competence from all the rank-and-file soldiers.
Also the separatists were based around the least populated and industrialized worlds. Without Geonosis, the seperatists had a problem with manufacturing. Especially and most importantly ships. Separatists would not be able to hold out unless there was an organic commander with a fleet. Which honestly, would be some cool episodes. A separatist admiral still fighting who might lay the foundation for the rebellion.
RIP to the fallen troopers.
Factory Ships? XD
At the least mining ships were common in the rim but also so were the pirates and slavers hunting them.
I agree! CIS/Rebellion colaberation would be a sweet story!
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The CIS had some of the biggest manufacturers in the galaxy, not just geonosis. If you only watched the clone wars I get it but it's always been explained that they had factories everywhere. And there were groups of CIS members that joined the rebellion
It would be interesting to see the CIS holdouts eventually join forces with the other cells in the Rebel Alliance and they need everyone and everything they can get their hands on to fight the Galactic Empire.
That's pretty much what actually happened
In Legends, the bulk of the Rebel Fleet before the Mon Cala joined were CIS ships.
@@Drave_Jr. their fighter based tactics combined with heavily shielded long range ships was directly forshadowed by seperatist tactics.
I wish we saw more rebel battle droids...
We hear in Andor about how some parts of the nascent Rebel Alliance are Separatists, so we may end up getting this
It's nice that we are seeing a lot of what happened to the Confederacy of independent systems how they're holding out against the empire. Really sad that they didn't survive long enough to join the Rebellion.
The CIS really could have been what the galaxy needed. It’s a shame the manipulations of the sith would never see it blossom
This one cell would have had a much better chance to save the material for a better and larger battle. They seriously lacked air support and organics fighting the clones. The moment they captured the governor should have been the moment they used smokes and mirrors to take the larger part of their force and Chain of Command out of there.
in legends many actually did.
@@luisemoralesfalcon4716 Thing was, the Planet was claiming Independence. As the CIS no longer existed, they wanted to make their Homeland truly sovereign, with it’s Droid Garrison as it’s defense force. For them to just flee the planet would destroy their cause to fight.
Terrorist droids don’t matter
I love the High-Five the Droids in the tank give each other when they shoot down the Imperial Shuttle XD
they shot so many missiles at it 😂
Accuracy though volume of fire XD
IDK if anyone caught this but when Gov. Ames said, "peace wasn't an option" it's very reminiscent of the first line of the Sith code: "peace is a lie."
All I was thinking of was the goose meme
@@mrtom2854 Same lmaooo
@@mrtom2854same here😂
@@mrtom2854 same
I am very glad there wasn't a multi-year time jump between seasons, as I love seeing how the empire gets control of the galaxy, and how the Bad Batch adapt to being on their own as well as caring for Omega.
It's interesting to see how the clone troopers are being used post Clone Wars. Being used as commando units against any CIS holdouts makes a lot of sense. You can also see the beginnings of why the Empire eventually failed. They spread themselves too thin and had to exhaust the resources of multiple planets just to keep themselves going. Desix is probably a barren world by the time of the Galactic Civil War.
And in the long term unimportant. The Empire could have probably worked out some sort of trade deal with the planet. Leaving the people to govern themselves. Yet in order to show strength and promote “stability” the Empire needed every Star system in the galaxy to fall under their direct rule.
Much like former Empires IRL and now we see it in the case of the US Empire in real time.
@@MandalorV7 Palpatine's game was to make the message clear: Everyone stay in line. If he would allow small planets to do their own things, that would spark more planetary goverments to try and slip into independency. If he strikes deals with them, that would encourage other worlds to try breaking away.
Small and unimportant planets that tried to stay out of the Empire were the ones used to hammer the message through usually by extreme violence. They were used to set example for the rest of the galaxy. You stay in line.
The empire failed cause rebels had plot armour and the fact that palpatine was pretty damn r3t4rded while in charge
@@MandalorV7 Trade deals only empower the rebels. They just needed better suppression methods. Iron clad rule though is pretty much impossible to pull off is the central message of star wars though.
I think the relationship between the seperatist holdouts and the rebel alliance is interesting. Many rebel groups, including THE Rebel Alliance were committed to restoring the Republic, which of course the seperatists had fought against. So, speratist holdouts could either choose to bend the knee to the Empire, side with their old enemies, or holdout alone and inevitability be conquered. Interesting.
Well the Rebel Alliance was as the name implies (as well as Saw's speech in Andor) an Alliance of many anti Empire groups. It became comitted to restoring the republic because of Mon Mothma and other Neo Republican leaders that happen to be quite influencial. Similarly in real life where rebellions are often also made up with various different groups with different ideals while only one group get's tho rule. Look at the Spanish civil war, Syria, Russia, Iran, Italy, Portugal, Korea, Indonesia and Tunesia as examples. All the groups did fight allong side eachother, and all of them were made up of Anarchists, various different Marxists, democrats, republicans, pro Empire guys that are just done with the atrocities, and people that don't believe anything at all but just want their current oppressors to be gone. And all of them turned out as vastly different states.
Not as the CIS existed but as what the holdouts became a part of: The Rebel Alliance.
Good answer actually
Not really. The CIS was ultimately a corrupt alliance of elite guilds and unions. They enemy of my enemy was not really a friend here.
For example Aldaran was the biggest and most open supporter of the rebellion, and they were a former republic planet.
@@Matt-xc6sp they were a planet
The Alliance to Restore the Republic had no Seppie scum! Lies! LIES!!!!
So...what if the Outer Rim continued to exist..?
I really hope the Separatist holdouts are explored more in future episodes, I would love to see the Bad Batch work together with a surviving battle droid outpost as much as I doubt it'll happen. There needs to be an episode in the Bad Batch like the one in Rebels where Kanan, Ezra, Rex and Zeb worked together with General Kalani and his battle droids to escape the Empire.
This might never happen but I'd like to see a battle between the TK troopers and imperial navy against a massive CIS holdout, perhaps a planet with its own droid factory with an ample stockpile of materials. (And some nasty losses for the Empire to make things fun)
Star Wars battlefront 2 (2005) flashbacks
Who knows, we might get that... but the Empire sends in battalions of clone troopers, just to see them suffer heavy losses. And the realization the Empire considers them expendable helps spark a clone uprising.
In star wars rebels there is epizode like this
There is a pretty big battle where this actually happened, the 2nd battle of Ringo Vinda, not much information is available, but the point is that the empire attacked Ringo Vinda and lost against the reactivated Separatist fleet. This conflict does not have to be very far from the bad batch events, I would like them to show it or at least mention it. A large-scale imperial defeat should not go unnoticed in the galaxy, but seeing how the written contents are related to the audiovisuals of star wars, I doubt that it is even taken into account that this event happened
I'd love to see some episodes of the Batch working with Separatist holdouts, most likely grudgingly with Omega being the voice of diplomacy. It would make for some interesting situations with former Republic commandos working alongside devoted Separatists and their battle droids.
I could see that happening. I mean we know some of the Seperatsists joined the rebel alliance
I think that storyline is foreshadowed to be implemented later in the show especially when they decided to save a CIS Senator.
I’d imagine that the empire didn’t want to destroy every holdout as they wanted further justification for expansion of their military. They may have left weaker separatist holdouts or even helped them by hiring mercenaries discreetly so they could get stronger and the empire could justify its military expansion even more.
I believed something like that happened in the early days of the empire.
In an Empire you don't need justification to recruit soldiers. Those are just free jobs to the people.
Honestly this episode highlighted the combat and tactical superiority of the clones over stormtroopers and battle droids better than even TCW did. Probably cause it was highlighted on them rather than the Jedi.
I would also add in experience, both from the writers and the animators.
The closest faction that can have a chance to fight against the empire was Gizor Delso from Legends. Man was on the run and tried his best to rebuild an army and fleet from scratch while being a number 1 target from the empire. Shame 501st killed off his faction before he can be a bigger threat if his faction survived until the GCW starts.
First time I wanted the clankers to win in this episode. Was kinda hoping they'd been upgraded and actually did, (They definitely stood up better than normal) and the Empire just overwhelmed them with numbers for the plot point that they're the bad guys. Then again I do love the Basic Battle Droids. Rodger Rodger! =D
Speaking of planetary defenses and Alderaan, what was the fall fallout of its destruction? Did Palpatine give Tarkin any flack about his choice of action? It would be interesting to see a video about the full effect this single attack had on the galaxy.
In Canon, it's shown that Palpatine isn't happy with Tarkin's strategy. He's more pissed that it backfired, but he does acknowledge that Tarkin did fail, and would be punished if he had survived the Death Star's destruction.
In Legends, Palpatine was absolutely furious at Tarkin over Alderaan. Tarkin effectively chose to destroy it without Palpatine's permission, which is a big no-no, but Palps was worried that the destruction of a Core World like that would rally more systems to the Rebellion.
As far as we can tell, Alderaan had repercussions for everyone in old and new canon.
@@rippera45 Sounds like Alderaan's destruction was the final nail in the coffin that convinced any second thinkers to fully rise up against the Empire.
@@firetools It even had Imperials defecting over it. Riots, mass arrests, chaos in general resulted.
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It also convinced some rebels to lay down their arms and others to join the Empire.
@@rippera45 It took almost two decades for the Rebels to assemble a flotilla that they lost against three SDs and a station trying to stop the Deathstar, three years later and they now had a proper navy capable of fighting the Empire's best head-on long enough for the second one to go out as well.
The Rebel Alliance had no greater promoter than the Empire using a planet-killer.
What I loved about this episode is you can already start to see the events of andor taking place it was probably unintentional but the ending of the episode where the empire began to occupy the planet and search homes to me already felt like this planet would quickly follow Ferrixs lead of fighting the empire I dont know if it was intentional or not but it was a nice tie any way
It’s quite strange that Crosshair has respect to at least one reg commander
Crosshair respects someone who shows him respect. Cody saw Crosshair as an asset. He knew Crosshair is an extremely capable soldier and gladly snatched him when he was available.
The respect has been mutual since CW, see the arc where they are introduced and you would see they only listen to Cody.
@@luisemoralesfalcon4716 Also Cody is canonically the one who gave them their official name and according to interviews he's the one who convinced the Kaminoans to let Clone force 99 into service
@@rennythespaceguy7285 pretty much this.
Cody and TBB are homies, always have been. That's why Crosshair wanted to work with him again after Desix.
In this particular case, the Droid Battalion had the ability to hold out on a tactical level. They had hundreds of droids, special units, and a basic competent commander. If this was a stormtrooper unit or the clones didn’t have a special forces guy attracted, the battalion would at least been able to bog down the attackers. Problem is beyond small unit Tactical level fighting, the battalion was screwed. They had zero naval assets to engage a proper invasion force with even basic warships. Send in a frigate to support the invasion and the defenders would be screwed. So sure short term they could had held out, but once the Empire sends a serious force, they would had been done for.
Also I will note, for the known middle term, the Clones would be getting Reinforcements, we know from Season One the Empire took the Clone cadets, so in theory, up until the middle of 10 BBY, the Clone Units could get fresh Clone Enforcements.
I heard that some Separatist Supporters eventually joined the Rebel Alliance. I'd like to hear how the two felt and reacted about fighting the Empire together.
In Legends, some Jedi survivors led separatist battalions against the Empire. Now, imagine that.
It felt soooo weird rooting for the droids in this episode omg i found myself feeling bad for the droids and hoping they would get more clones that felt really strange im used to rooting for the clones🤷♂️😭😂
the clones were never the good guys
@DJCoopes ya but the way they treated the civilians vs the droids was obv better they were good back then its ot their fault someone else put a switch in their head to turn them bad
@@djcoopes7569 only if you aren’t a human
Crosshair’s standoff with the tank definitely rivals Anakin dodging a tank shot/standoff at the beginning of the last season
I loved that this was essentially an episode that would have fit into the Clone Wars, until the final minutes. Instead of celebrating the rescue of a diplomat, we saw Cody's disillusionment, his realization that the Empire was not what he had spent years fighting for. I only wonder how many more are going to go AWOL before the Empire cracks down.
At first I was exited when I saw Battle Droids, but as soon as I saw the scene cut to Crosshair I knew that they wouldn't last past the episode.
Also didn't a group of clones on the bridge get direct impacted by rockets two or three times?
Getting shot down is a clones average Tuesday while getting shot down is a desperate situation for stormtroopers
One advantage clones had was they knew each other. Unlike stormtroopers and TK troopers, clone troopers worked with their brothers and were encouraged to get to know one another. Ironic because they were originally designed like the TK and Stormtroopers. Clones knew what another was capable of, where as Stormtroopers and TK troopers didn’t.
Funny how probably the best episode in the series didn’t even contain the majority of the main cast
It was a quick battle BUT a costly one-even with Cody and Crosshair and the experienced clones-and they did succeed-but if you look more closely you see a lot of these clones die-losses which you just can't replace with green tk soldiers.
Rampart is probably quite happy to be using up the clones he does not care for anyway. A larger force or a different mission profile may have made for fewer fatalities, but he's not too interested in that.
I am more puzzled by the lack of B2 battle droids as heavy hitters, dwarf spiders for AA and the other units than anything.... If you don't count the tactical droid and the commandos, this garrison was more a trade federation force than one from the CIS
Well I think the Trade Federation were meant to be all in with the Separatists during the end of the war, hence why there's a load of Lucrehulks and a Niemodian crew at the battle of Coruscant.
I assume from the lack of obvious battle damage that Desix was likely away from the front lines of the clone wars- this may mean that they had to make do with whatever droids were leftover, rather than getting a fully realised and optimised army... similarly, if the battle droids had to be reactivated after the shutdown command from Mustafar, perhaps this was easier to do with the B1 and Commando droids than with other designs (and even if this was not the case, the reactivation process for each design might need techs to start from scratch for each new design)
Throughout the entire episode, who else gets the Battle of Fort Slava vibe from it? And by that, I mean despite knowing the outcome already but still rooting for the Separatists to win.
Also, if Desix possessed a number of proton cannons along with the planetary shield, they will not only be able to defend the city but also actually destroy those Star Destroyers like what happened when Obi-Wan attempted to land the invasion fleet at the Battle of Ryloth as well.
If I lived in the Star Wars universe, I definitely will try to get my hands on some of those battle droids. Also, The commando droids along with others of the good ones
I think it would be a great way to fight back against the empire as long as you have actual real living troops to back them up. It’ll save casualties on your own man before they get to you.
Soldiers on the ground wouldn't actually be all that effective when you have space ships being able to bomb anywhere from orbit. The exceptions made with shield generators still would rarely make you want to use soldiers if you could use effective tanks instead. Star wars equipment is just poorly made for what tech is available.
to me it shows how the clones are being used as cannon fodder in sense after because after the battle you see their replacement take over
Stormtroopers are well known to be worse soldiers than Clones, so it makes perfect since to have Clones do the fighting while the large amount of Stormtroopers do the policing.
“Peace was never an option”
-knife wielding duck
I was watching this episode with my son and we both agreed that the droids would have been much more effective against the storm troopers that came later, the ones that Han and Luke fought against, the ones who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with their blasters. That would have been a much better ground battle to watch because the droids would have forced the Empire to send a lot more troops and more heavy weapons.
Great vid GenTech!
You're an amazing channel for giving us so much quality content so rapidly (and with editing, it's not just a fast webcam thing). I hope you don't mind but I referred to your channel in a video about SW I made recently.
This episode was something else. It was like it had the heroic action of TCW, but none of the heroic music or themes. The Clones aren't the good guys anymore, which made it all feel pleasantly weird.
This was a great episode. I’d like to see more episodes like this on in the Bad Batch.
Cool to see CIS holdout and their fight against the empire.
You are on fire lately! Quantity AND quality! 👏
What a review and insight. Keep it up
Somthing I noticed in this episode, that I never realized for some reason was that droids don’t use grenades. The big advantage clones always had was throwing out Droid popper grenades to clear out the next room. Why didn’t droids ever get such a useful weapon.
I liked the tactical genius the Empire employed when they sent seven men to secure the city in the beginning of the episode.
Well the empire fell mainly due to the fact basically every single leader was immensely incompetent
Especially palpatine himself
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 Their entire situation was only incompetence with soldiers that can't aim. Robots that can't fix anything, ships that don't fly. It's a wonder it didn't just have Imperial forces fighting other Imperials all the time.
The Clones are essentially Special Forces at this point.
I think it would be great to see droids vs first gen stormtroopers without clone help because that would be an amazing curfuffle of just droids and barely trained conscripts.
Great video! As usual
That was a fantastic episode
I do love any episode, where we get to see old battle droids being put to a different use.
another example is Gizor Dellso's last stand, he found a old droid factory in Mustafar and began cranking out as many droids as possible until the empire found him. At first the clones were nostalgic because they were finally fighting something the knew but eventually turned sour as the were proving very difficult to deal with. Eventually they broke through and began the ground assault and there was so many droids but eventually they called up the star destroyers and orbital bombed the factory
I'm kind of wondering how this mission will affect Cody, especially that speech at the end. The sight of Cody actually lowering his weapon seems to show that he was affected and maybe he will start questioning decisions made by the empire. We already had seen before in previews Cody discussing rumblings amongst the clones.
cody went awol I hope he joins rex
This was Cody's breaking point. He now sees how corrupt the Empire is. He negotiated in good faith, and for a moment a peaceful outcome looked possible. Then the Imperial governor said shoot her.
@@alexyu2299 Cody was _reported as_ going AWOL, by an officer content to kill off clone officers who may be trouble. We can't be sure as of the end of this episode if Cody is alive.
Always sad seeing how things got work for the CIS. Especially considering the reason they exist and what happened to their leaders.
There’s so much to be said about the ‘grey moralities’ of the Clone Wars. So many fans think of the Confederacy as just the villains, but the Confederacy was already beginning before Dooku was elected head of state. It’s so sad in that all so many people wanted was freedom from what they saw as an oppressive, corrupt government and we rarely get to see that reality unless we read the books.
Last time I was this early, Darth Plagueis was getting ready for bed
I'm glad they do thoughtful show like this for younger and all ages audiences.
Look at those tank crew droids high-fiving each other! They definitely have a supportive work environment. 😊
I'm glad we're seeing some of the Seperatist perspective but I'd love to see more.
It's a nice contrast to always seeing everything from the eyes of the Republic.
9:41 hence why they took a hostage. Fortunately for the holdout, this was still early on in the Empire where they actually would have attempted a rescue mission and not simply gone "we don't negotiate with rebels" and blown up the city and the surrounding 100 kms.
"Peace was never an option" Across time, space, and reality, a goose feels a connection
The episode just answered the question
Notice how the Empire showed up with tk troopers used the clones for the fighting and then occupied the system with thousands of tk troopers. One way to get rid of your clones. Probably intentional
Wasn’t Quarzite a CIS world? Nothing short of the Death Star would be able to conquer that fortification.
You've convinced me to check out the new season of bad batch, at least for this episode.
It would be cool seeing republic/sepratist holdouts contribute clones and droids against the empire.
That would be a cool ark seeing how these two assets would inter-operate
i do respect doing what you think is right for you're people even if its futile.
I’d love to see a Separatist POV show after and during the Jedi Purge. It always makes me wonder what was going on the minds of my brethren, watching the Clones shoot and murder the Generals they protect.
For the Separatist Alliance!
Ep3 had the vibes of an Andor episode. Love it!
This episode and fight also showed just how much of a hero unit the Jedi were for clone army just imagine how much smoother the operation would've went if the clones had a Jedi fighting by their side especially against those commando droids.
Very cool
"Good soldiers obey orders." -Crosshair (& many/most other Clone Troopers)
Alan an idea for a future background for you is a massive collection of either SW action figures or a massive Star Wars Book collection!! Or little of both!!!
Please do more videos on tactics
I loved the original adaptation on paper and comic that the thumbnail is of
‘Futile’. That was the word that sprung to mind with this episode.
Gizor Delso's holdout was unfortunate to be discovered. He had a fleet of ships available including Providence Class Cruisers
I find it interesting that their droids were quite efficient and powerful force, maybe the fact they were a rather small batallion compared to the standard added more cohesion?
I understand that droids aren't bright but that fight was full of plot armor
@Generation Tech Hey Alan, do you wonder why the canon Darth Vader never tried to take a secret apprentice like Galen Marek in legends?
Well he had other plans involving Dr Aphra. Also perhaps the writers aren't doing that due to fears of being accused of copying The Force Unleashed.
The 'Rule of Two'
First question would be, did he want an apprentice? Given all that had happened to him, I could see Vader not wanting to pass all that on to someone else. Look at the way Ashoka left, would he really want to risk going through that again? And even if he did want an apprentice, he probably felt it would be impossible to keep such a thing secret from Palpatine.
I am really glad that they are highliting that the separatists were the original freedom fighters, and showing how the rebel alliance was just a continuation of the separatists with some freedom loving core worlds added as well.
A lot of new media has focused on this and that makes me happy.
Idk why but I really get blade runner vibes with the new season's soundtrack
As a Battlefront II (2005) player, I can assure you, yes, CIS holdouts had a pretty good chance against the Empire.
If we remember the time Anakin false surrendered to draw out the tactical droid before that whole mandalor incident we can see that droids can, with some preparation, be very stubborn foes to fight
I think it would be really cool to have a story of a separatist fleet running run and gun operations against lone imperial outposts in the outer rim. being essentially droid pirates lead by an organic commander.
doesn't even need to be an organic commander- a super tactical droid could have come to the conclusion that the only way to keep fighting was to engage in asymmetric warfare. Beyond that, all you need are organic techs to reactivate droids and potentially ships (which may have been similarly affected by the Mustafar shutdown signal) and the time in which to do so
I always wondered what a war would look like between the empire at its height and the CIS at its height
THOSE GLASSES!!! LOL YOU HAVE OFFICIALLY GONE FULL HIPSTER!!! LOL!!!
The last batches of Clones would enter the Imperial military in 10 BBY, at that point being a minority in the vast Imperial military vastly outnumbered by much larger forces of new recruits from all across the Galaxy. After that no new Clones entered the Imperial military and since then, they began to rapidly decline as many of the Clone Wars veterans retired and many more would die in the fields of battle, especially during the Galactic Civil War as by the time of a New Hope, the youngest Clones who were created in 19 BBY had turned 38 in physical age.
Can’t believe Nova went unmentioned here, he was clutch af and they only just got him at the end
What that would look like is what happened at the Abbey of Montecasino during World War 2. It would take something like what happened in Rogue One to finish of the resistance.
I feel that in The Phantom Menace, Darth Maul had the high ground against padawan Obi-Wan Kenobi when he was hanging off the ledge, but even the high ground wasn't enough to help Maul. Yoda may have been the Jedi Grandmaster, but Obi-Wan Kenobi was the Jedi "ground" master.
It was cool to see a relatively small number of battle droids operate so effectively.
The clones become the SF units while the TK units are the grunts like modern day military.
I’d be interested in reading a story where a super tactical droid finds a secret separatist world, maybe in the far outer rim near the galaxy’s edge, which is equipped with a shipyard, factory, and basically is fully self reliant, and the droid starts building and expanding to other hidden systems to try and build up the forces to retake the galaxy.
What about stars wars Battlefront 2 2005 in that game you return to mustafar when a separatist army was reactivated by a geoniosian the 501st stormtroopers and vader where deployed there to eliminate the holdouts there was also a misson where you had to kill the naboo Queen as she was cooperating with the rebels.
That's non canon nowadays
The fact the CIS holdouts in legends kept showing up even in the Yuuzhan Vong War
only shows how hard it was and is to find them.
Can’t forget a squad of B2s that was given medals for straight up massacring vongs
The clones were just built different, all of their commanders got to fight and learn from the best and brightest of the jedi during the clone wars.
So freaking weird to me. The framing of the CIS was that they were bad guys, then I see them in this show. I want them to win…but y’know.
The B1's high five after shooting down a gunship with an antitank cannon was pretty RAD ngl droids need more W's
If they have unlimited droid factory then maybe, if they are also spamming B2 and other droids like the jumpy ones that can actually fight