ALSO the 1650 will work. Mistake on my part. POINT OF CLARIFICATION: You're not limited to 2 outputs for the video feed. In this tweet I have a screenshot showing it in 3 different apps at once! twitter.com/EposVox/status/1164272177690157056 I hope you found the ending amusing. It wasn't quite as amusing to finish my edit and then check Twitter and see that.. 🎤 SPONSOR: ModMic Wireless - antlionaudio.com/?RUclips&Eposvox&ModMic 🎤 TIMECODES: 00:00 Intro 01:30 History & Context 03:28 Review Disclosures 03:52 Hardware 05:51 Secret Trick 07:16 Capture Specs 11:17 Setting It Up 14:05 Software 20:05 Why 4K? 21:26 HDR?! 23:28 Playing HDR 24:23 Editing HDR 25:38 Retro Setups 26:05 Other Options 27:28 Conclusion
Bro i have an i7 4770, 16GB ram, 525gb SSD crucial and RX580 4GB, obviously i can not stream good quality with this setup, so i wanted to buy an RX 5700 XT, but also i want to consider the elgato HD60 PRO to stream and record. Will i benefite with this setup from the HD60 PRO or is just a waste of money for me????
I have a 5820k and 1080 in my backup PC. I notice you said intel 6th gen. I wasn't sure if this had to do with the encoding or differences in drivers or more a performance cut off recommendation? Would my HEDT intel chip work?
HAHAHA that ending. It's so much fun, finishing an edit, being very happy with your well-rounded opinion and decision on whether to recommend a device... all to have something invalidate it riiiiight before you hit render.
2020: "Why 4K? Who needs 4K?" 2008: "Why 720p? Who would ever need that?" Things change, mah dudes. Be on top of things and your videos will age like fine wine instead of milk.
yeah because there aren't limitations of video and perception. properly shot and or converted 720p is still perfectly fine for most video. we do not need talking head videos at 4k. never did.
Nope, not even close. In 2008, most people already had monitors with higher-than-720p resolution. In 2021, 1080p is the dominant monitor resolution, and lower-than-1080p is more common than higher-than-1080p. In the steam hardware survey, which skews above the average, only about 2.5% of computers have 4K screens.
So three things would have to happen before I would consider this card or anything similar. 1. Becoming a better content creator 2. A beefier computer 3. My isp raising my upload speed past 10 mbps. Once all three of those magically come together, then I will consider this card or similar product. Until such time, I am bound to 5 year old or so tech. 😜😂😝
THANK YOU FOR THE SECRET TRICK. Literally the deciding factor for myself since I can stream and record at the same time in 2 different qualities. Something I hadn't even known was possible ! Thank you
I BOUGHT THE CARD : I bought and have been using the card for a little less than a week and actually works on my i5-7600k and 970 LOL (below required specs). I wouldn't have tried unless a Corsair rep responded saying it was possible on an Amazon review question. Sadly won't be able to utilize all of its features BUT was good to know as far as future proofing myself for when I do upgrade it. Thank you again for the help!
I did some testing with one of these cards on a single pc setup just out of interest. FYI @epxvox there is some benefit in a single pc. That is that when you use Game capture and tab out of a full screen game, the viewers see (depending on the game) either the game dropping down to low fps and looking terrible or some games when tabbing out show a frozen screen and viewers ask if the stream is frozen. Capture card shows same as Display capture, but Display capture can fail to work on some games, eg Division 2 where for some reason display capture gives me 40fps and game capture over 100fps in game. Anyway, here's my test results on a single pc, for curiosity... Stream testing results Game PUBG Resolution 1440p monitor Hz 165 Gsync enabled 1080p streaming - single pc =================== 145 fps Game capture 95-160 fps Display capture 140-145 fps Elgato 4k capture card 1440p streaming - single pc =================== 145 fps Game capture 60-70 fps Display capture 130 fps Elgato 4k capture card
After seeing your section on requirements, I had to do some research, to which I found that this card does in fact work with AMD GPUs. It needs an RX Vega or better, and this info can not only be found on several etailer sites, but also on the Elgato FAQ section. This is good news for me, as my RX 5700 8GB will handle the workload flawlessly, alongside the rest of my PC's hardware. Btw, have you tested this card out, to see how well it works for capturing 4K video footage from a camera? That's the primary reason I want it, so that I can get the best quality video recording in OBS or other software, and won't be bothering with an X1 or PS4 as that part doesn't interest me.
Have you tried it with an AMD card? The problem with AMD cards (being an AMD fan myself) is that the encoders are buggy and not very good quality. From what I remember the H265 encoder is pretty good... but useless for live streaming.
Just got to the point where I'm capable of doing a dual pc set up for streaming but didn't want to sacrifice my high refresh rate for gaming, glad I found your video with the solutions!
Oh wow, the "secret trick" is actually pretty appealing! Currently I use OBS recording at a 1440p canvas and downscale to 720p to a much lower bitrate using the old NVENC encoder. It's surprisingly not bad, but unfortunately I'll have to pass due to no component 240p support, which I'm not gonna get my hopes up of Elgato ever adding this due to it being analog.
What kind of hard drive would you use with this? If the file sizes are huge wouldn't this kill a dedicated SSD in a pretty short amount of time for an active youtuber ?
So, something that “May” work in your situation. AMD has an application called AMD Radeon RAMdisk. It can reserve a maximum of 64GB of memory. Unless you’re recording insane amounts video, you maybe be able to use that as scratch content. I use it all the time when I’m spinning up a temporary VM and don’t feel like on my SSD’s
You can record 4K to an HDD as long as that HDD is purely for storage and isn't your OS drive. If anything, recording to RAID 0 HDDs is also a good idea for speed increases.
I just got the 4K60 Pro Mk.2 and was wondering on the Xbox do you change the colour depth/space? if so what are the settings you are using? I been posting comparison between mk1 and mk2 on elgato reddit. But for some reason my captures became darker but with slightly better colours.
Just as a mention, Magewell capture cards have been doing multi-application access for some time. I'd spoken with Elgato a while back, asked if the feature was possible, and argued the case for its inclusion in a more consumer price-point product. Really awesome that they got it in and working though; as mentioned in the video, it's excellent for recording 'clean' gameplay-only footage for later editing. As I don't have a 4K60 v2 to test, are you able to access the device at different resolutions+framerates simultaneously, as with Magewell cards?
Epos did you change anything in the xbox colour depth? I got mine but the capture seem darker different compared to the original 4K60 Pro on a non HDR monitor
I am very frustrated with the new elgato hd60x. I get pixelated recordings and preview with iphone 14pro max. Im playing pubg. I tested passthrough and thats fine but obs and recording in 4k utility looks like 360p. Contacted elgato and tried a few settings over the phone but no luck yet. Been weeks aand still going back and forth. Could nvidia settings be the issue? Please help if you can. ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Just wanted to say I'm using this capture card in a dual PC streaming setup and the specs listed are definitely NOT a hard requirement. My gaming PC has a GTX 2080ti, 32GB 3200mhz ram, and an i7 8700k CPU. My streaming PC however only has an i7 3770k, 16GB 2600mhz ram, and a GTX 1050ti graphics card. I'm able to Play games at 1080p, 240hz on my Alienware monitor with the amazing 240hz passthrough capability on this card, and I can stream and record easily at 1080p60hz with NVENC without it even causing a hiccup. I just want people to know that you DO NOT need a current gen system, or even the listed specs to actually use this card with great results. Elgato support told me directly that my system would not work, so I bought the card and tried it anyway and I'm very pleased I did.
Requirements always have essentially some amount of headroom built in to them, and are meant to cover all different uses like capturing 4K 60fps directly in the 4K Capture Utility software, streaming different resolutions, and other activities on the computer. So yes some can use this card with a slightly older system, but I still would ask people not to pick one up unless they meet the listed requirements. Sometimes specs are not simply performance related but newer platforms have advantages, and not everyone has their system optimized for capturing or has a dedicated system. If they are capturing a console, they may have only one PC which is running other software they need at the time. Many more factors at play.
@@SirCrest I understand your point. I just recall Elgato support stating that my system would be guaranteed insufficient for the specific use case I gave them and they were definitely wrong about that. I'm sure if I were streaming in 4k, or only had a single PC, my story would be different. I have tried streaming directly on my gaming PC and even that did not provide the Experience I was looking for.
Grabbed one of these recently. It runs just fine on an i7-4770k and a GTX 1080. I'm able to use passthrough with OBS but the Elgato 4K Capture Utility has a noticeable lag. Disclaimer: I bought this for future proofing. I've not bothered with 4K so far - I imagine my weak processor may struggle with 4K.
Around 8:40 you mention the lower 4:2:0 color resolution of the 4K60 Pro in comparison the to AVerMedia Live Gamer 4K, do you know if the firmware and driver update Elgato released since then actually enables 4:4:4 video output or is it still emulated? This is important to me since I capture mainly PC GUI interfaces and not games, so visual fringing would be very noticeable to me and would be a reason I would choose the Live Gamer 4K over the 4K60 Pro. You also touched on how the Elgato stretched a 4:3 1024x768 resolution image to widescreen. I'm often capturing retro PC's at resolutions of 640x480, 720x400 (MS-DOS), 800x600, and 1024x768. Do you have any experience with either the Live Gamer 4K or 4K60 Pro at these lower resolutions, and would you recommend one over the other for someone capturing mostly PC output?
Yes the update enables full 444 and 422 now. Both cards are likely to stretch those resolutions, only option that won’t is Magewell - but you can apply the aspect ratio correction filter in OBS to put it back
Ah okay, and thanks for the quick response. Besides those two, are there any other capture devices that support 4:4:4 color resolution that you know of, or any other devices you'd recommend for capturing PC output, even if they don't support 4:4:4?
I'll answer that like the only professional, as usual with these garbage clickbait channels, as it's something I do with the HD60 Pro. It only does 1080 so I'm looking to upgrade. Unfortunately I ended up here. If you plug the GPU HDMI out in to it you'll get an infinitely better capture quality than OBS. I've tried every combination in OBS and the quality is always garbage. I smashed the HD60 up to 60mbps (max) writing to an M3 and the quality was perfect. I even watched it back on my 4k and it was clearer than 75mbps 4k capture in OBS. The Elgato PCI line is worth every penny. In terms of performance, there's almost no loss. When capturing the Elgato app uses about 350mb RAM. It's nothing. Barely any CPU power. If you turn off live playback and disable preview it will use 1% to 3% GPU resources. Actual GPU, it will use no GPU RAM. That's me running on an old, near bottom end, GTX 1060. So I can play a game on the same machine I'm capturing on and have near 0% system resource impact, unlike with OBS which uses a ton of resouces and the video still comes out garbage...
Hey there! I just got this card, but for some reason gameplay recorded in 4K Capture Utility is shorter than it's recorded in OBS. Separate game and voice audio tracks are fine and can be synced to my stream/facecam recordings from OBS, but the video gets more out of sync the longer gameplay is. Tried it without the obs - the problem stays the same. After 1:19:27 of playing game I get the same length for separate audio files and 1:19:14 for the video file. And if you sync it in the beginning - it gets desynced randomly throughout the footage
If anyone sees this, GeForce GTX 10XX is **NOT** the bottom requirement. I’ve seen it run on a GTX 970ti and I am currently running it flawlessly with a GTX 980ti.
Fantastic video! Please just one question, i have large Samsung TV which has my PC and ps5 connected to it. If I buy the elgato 4k 60 mk2, can this work? My idea is setup the stream on the PC and switch HDMI to the ps5 and play on ps5 while it live stream to youtube, any thoughts?
I was looking for the correct answer why when Capturing HDR was so slow exactly how you shown on this video. Now I finally got it, I only use the capture card to record from my PS4 Pro, my computer is not that powerful, just a Ryzen 5 2400G with a Nvidia Geforce GTX1060 Super 6GB. Records fine in 4K but when tried HDR I thought would be my processor or graphic. You are awesome :D
EposVox you really are awesome man I mean it 😃. Your videos are so well made, top quality, top knowledge, so organised by sections, nice to listen. You should have much more than the triple of the subscribers. Happy New Year mate, all the best 😃
Hey i have a question to you... I have a ryzen 5 2600 and a RX 580. So when (later) i record or stream my ps5 in 1080p60... is that possible? I want to game at 1080p120 with the passthrough output but i only want to record/stream 1080p60... so is my computer good enough, or do I need realy the specs that elgato given us, so minimum a Ryzen 7?! I hope u respond :D Thanks
For a single pc set up for me personally it’s actually worth it because it is the only way I can stream HDR in Streamlabs OBS with tone mapping not a fan of “Lut” or Shadowplay so the easiest way around it for me was the 4k60 Pro MK.2
How do you eliminate audio lag when using this? I have my Series X plugged into this, yet no matter what I find, the only "low lag" option is listening through obs monitoring. The audio extractors ive found wont allow 1080p120fps pass through either. HELP!
Hi can you help ? I have a Gaming PC and specs are : Core i9 9900k, GTX 2080 ti EXTREME, 32 GB RAM but still it's not enough to record 4k 60 fps gaming on OBS Classic, it takes too much space and it lags so if i use this capture card will it help ?
@@EposVox Thanks for quick reply Can you tell me the settings of obs ? i've tried all settings from RUclips tutorials, Some setting takes too much space like 20 minutes of 4k gameplay will take 100GB plus and when i use settings from different RUclips video, the recorded gameplay video from obs drops the frame and it lags I want more than average 4k video quality that takes less space, takes more power of gpu instead of cpu ( less cpu intensive ), smooth gameplay with zero framedrops ( I'm using Logitech 4k webcam, BlueYeti Pro mic and recording gameplays with maxed out graphics with all these devices on OBS classic software ) Just need to know what will be best from my pc.....
@Goblin Slayer I have amd rx 6900 xt, and Ryzen 9 5950x and it sucks for recording. It's good if you record 5-6 minute video, after that the stutter is coming...
Wait, why wouldn’t the 1650 work with this? The 1650 has the Volta NVENC encoding chip on it, which I thought was better than the Pascal one? Great video btw, very informative. I was looking at the Avermedia 4K so that I can use my 144hz monitor with no issues but this has definitely made my life harder by giving me an option 😂
May sound kinda dumb, but my new PC a few months ago and everything is somewhat high end, running 32gb of RAM, an RTX 2070 super, but it’s just that my CPU is a Ryzen 5 3600, I understand that you said one of the requirements is an AMD Ryzen 7, but could I still benefit from this capture card when everything else I’m using is pretty top notch for the most part?
I'm wondering, using a HD60 Pro, would it be possible to now use the Elgato Game Capture HD Software for recording - specifically using the on-board encoding chip (and thus save CPU) - while simultaneously streaming in OBS, thanks to the Multi App Support? I understand that previously you needed to close the Elgato Game Capture HD Software in order to use OBS, and that the only option to record and stream at the same time was through Master Copy in Elgato's own software. Asking this as I'm currently doubting between buying the 4K60 Pro Mk.2 and HD60 Pro, and interested in the latter's on-board encoder purely from a CPU standpoint.
You mention this card couldn't handle the 5x mode on OSSC. The Retrotink 5x wasn't out when this was reviewed. Have you gone back and tested this card at all with that scaler? Or would it be better to go with the newer HD60X as someone that streams from both old and new?
So, I have this card in an egpu setup. It seems to work ok. Dell Precision 7720 w/ Thunderbolt 3 Aorus Gaming Box GTX1080 Shell w/ Card inside. My plan is to move this card and the GTX into a separate and portable streaming Box due to needing my thunderbolt 3 for my eGPU
So i think the best way for pc gamers without older konsoles is the expensive way.So the magewell is the high end with the higest resolution and refreshrates. Thank you for the video ! 😁👌
I'm getting screen tearing in Streamlabs OBS, 4K Capture Utility, etc.. on my streaming PC. Whether I'm recording or streaming, it is VERY noticable. The Elgato is cloned with my 1080p 144Hz monitor on my gaming PC, everything looks good on that front. The Elgato is also set to 1080p 144Hz, and the source input in 4K Capture Utility registers as 1080p 144Hz properly. Only thing wrong is my recordings, or my live gameplay, has bad screen tearing. Any ideas? Streaming PC Specs: - i7 7700k - EVGA GeForce GTX 1050ti - 16 GB RAM - EVGA 650W PSU - MSI Z270 Plus mobo
In all honesty the worst purchase I made in a long time. Runs hot + the software is buggy as hell even with latest firmware plus you need a high end PC/GPU to literally be able to capture from console or otherwise, an additional high cost lol. Returned it to Vendor after two days of use. And support is one big joke. Great Channel and Video by the way.
Love your videos! Didn't catch any comment on the preview latency. Have you had a chance to test that? Curious if we're in the sub 40ms latency space with cards now
Sooooo if you just pass through the a 3440x1440 video from gaming PC and stream it at downscale of 1920x1080 - having a 9 series GPU should work just fine. System requirements comes off as a more of a console streaming not dual PC setup where you are not using their personal software. Pass through of video means you are just moving the video to OBS or streaming software, your GPU should not be taking any sort of input with it. I think that needs to be clearer in the video, if you are using the NVEC or GPU encoders then of course get the system requirements because if the CPU is the only thing doing any encoding of video then the GPU is simply there to give you a monitor to look at - not encode - and send video upward. If this is wrong let me know because I do not use the OUT on my elgato right now. My GPU is simply hooked up to a monitor so I can configure OBS and stream it and there are zero issues with that and having a 4k60pro where i am only sending a 1440p @ 100hz signal and downscaling to 1080 @ 60hz signal (60 FPS with vsync) should not change the hardware requirements. Again chime in if you believe me to be wrong, but explanation of how to use a capture card is something that is extremely hard to find clear and concise. Someone looks at system requirements with a 12core CPU & 980 ti and go..."Shit i need to upgrade in order to use this capture card, that does not make sense. I am not using my GPU with this thing the GPU is giving monitor display functionality."
EposVox Please advise which card to buy, I look at elgato 4kpro or Avermedia 4k live gamer. I have stream PC on Amd ryzen 7, i use only obs. I have been choosing for a week and I can’t understand what will be the best without problems. Thanks you man!
@EposVox I don't know if you can answer this, but I give it a try. The minimum specs for using this card is said to be i7 gen 6 or newer + gtx 10-series. My question is, I'm considering getting one but my stream-pc have a i7-5820k (x99) and a gtx1080. Will this even work? Since it's technically an older cpu than min.requirements but still a more powerful cpu than some of the 6th gen i7's ?? i will mirror my 1440p144 monitor but output 900p60 through OBS.
Lovet the video. Thanks. About the CRT.. It looks to me like the CRT might need a capkit. The image isn't cropped it's rolling over itself. I've seen this a lot on old Arcade monitors (I have a few arcade cabinets) and TV's. You might wanna check that.
Honestly outputting to two different programs is such an amazing feature, I was about to consider buying a second LGHD 2, but I think taking to jump to 144hz capture is gonna be a nice upgrade as well. Now I just have to fork up the money.
So I'm confused. Sorry I'm new to the master race. I have a dual 1440p monitor pc setup. I have the elgato hd60 pro and was previously using it for my channel happily recording in 1080p 60fps. Well with these new 2k monitors seem to stop me from using my current elgato to RECORD 2k content. Do I need this 4k capture card to capture my stuff in 2k now? Or can I use my current elgato to still capture 1080 video? Streaming doesn't seem to be an issue. I get to enjoy 2k gaming while my viewers (all 2 of you lol) see 1080p 60fps.
does pci capturecards effect responce time on gaming monitors for dual pc streaming? also. you said it is not compatible with gsync does that mean i will experience screen tearing on my gaming monitor? i am considering buying one of these but i need these questions answered. another great video xx
Well done video! I have a question though: How does the cpu usage of Elgato's software compare to that of Avermedia's while capturing and recording 4k?
No matter what settings or bitrate I try to use on YT or Twitch, my stream looks like trash. I thought this might help but your saying it won't. I don't know what to do as I can't stream because of this. Note I guess wanna stream my desktop with my MIC. That's all.
Is it possible to connect an DSLR Camera to the 4K60? And how hard would the workload be to connect an 4K 60 Pro and an HD60S to a Computer? My system has the following specifications: AMD Ryzen 7 3700x, Geforce RTX 3060 und 32 GB RAM - Any awnsers are appreciated.
Does the HDR come across cleaner on the stream as well, or just with the recording version? I have a dual PC setup but mainly stream and not record (using hd60 pro). Would it be worth upgrading to to the newer version? Thanks for any input :)
I have a Ryzen 5 3600 with a 1660 super and I just want to capture the ps5 gameplay at 1080p60 once that comes out. I don’t want to deal with any delays like I had to endure with the first hd60. I really don’t see myself gaming even in 1440p within the next year or so. I’m pretty casual. So idk what to do lol
Great explanation very educational. So if used with a camera what's the difference between the 4k cam link and 4k cam link pro? I don't wanna run my camera through USB 3.0 and I want to save $150.
@@EposVox Thanks for your expertise you always be coming through and responding back. So even the 4k camlink USB has the same quality as 4K60 Pro MK2? just a little less latency with 4K60 Pro MK2?
Just got mine a week ago and having a few of problems like popping sounds when gameplay gets too loud, "no signal" showing up randomly after I stop recording making me unplug and re-plug to get it fix, and recordings sometimes show nothing. Sigh may just have to return this and try the avermedia 4k instead if I can't find a solution :(
I can't seem to find any real answers on this including from elgato tech support, let's see what you guys are made of 😀 Can this card pass 1080p hdr10 in any framerate above 60hz? All of the documentation I can find and Elgato tech support says hdr is only tested at 60 fps. If not, are you aware of any devices that can?
This board does exactly what I want, and so much I don't need (or want to pay for). Also, I'm down to 1 PCIE slot that I'd prefer to save. All I need to do is accurately capture the 4K output from my Panasonic FZ300 at 30Hz. Can you suggest a good quality USB 3.0 capture device that will appear as a video source in OBS on my well-powered Win10 PC?
Can you please explain to me how to setup the audio for capturing? You said that in general to keep the audio muted in the elgato 4k capture software. But how can you record the audio? If my headphones connected stright to PS5, the capture card will only record the video. When you are playing, your headphones connected to the pc or your console? Can you please help me??
Got my answer. Good video bud. Saved me some money.. Jesus, a company really needs to figure this out for a single pc unit so we do not need to worry about all this dual pc crap anymore..I must say the 12900K and having 3080TI is close to being able to forget about all this already anyway. Just feels like things are so close to getting out of the era of working about capture cards at all.UGH someone needs to figure this out already.
Yay, knew this was coming :D - woah this is a massive update for the card. The FPS upgrade is a huge deal for those with higher refresh monitors, plus you’ll now be able to edit vids to a slow motion style!
Why? Console support is kinda required for it to be viable on the market - especially since the new HDR selling point is mainly a console feature - and most monitors these days support HDMI 2.0. DisplayPort is expensive to manufacture and limits who can use it.
I'm about to build a new PC for creation and gaming. I'm thinking of getting a Ryzen 5950x (the new Threadripper PRO great for work but poor for gaming so it's a fail as I need a balance), RTX3090 Strix/GamingX, 64gb, 3 x 1TB SSD Samsung 960 pro, Motherboard (not sure but it need to be amazing). I really need to capture 4K 120fps lossless and even 8k 60fps videos (near lossless). If getting a PC like this would be enough or do I need to create a 2nd PC strictly for video capturing? Advice from you and everyone seriously needed.
If you’re doing lossless, all of your budget really needs to go into massive storage arrays both for speed and capacity (3tb will go fast) and not cpu This sounds like a single pc gaming capture setup otherwise there are no capture devices for those formats yet lol
Hello. What to choose between Elgato 4k60 pro mk2 and Magewell AIO 4k plus? I need the card only for streaming sport events at 1080(for the moment) with OBS, and i want the best video quality. Is there any other capture card that provide a better video quality than thoose two ?
Hello congratulations for your videos .. beautiful! I recently bought the 4K60, but I can't see hdr videos with Potplayer, unfortunately the 4k60 performs the tone mapping automatically .. do you know how to manage a manual? thanks bye !!
What's the best price friendly capture card for consoles would you say?? I want to get into recording and streaming but dont wanna spend money and have it suck...
So if I’m using my hd60 s for my dual pc setup right now. Will I see a better image quality and what not with this card? (I stream at 900p 60fps). Also in the video you show you can control the bitrate at which the card sends through (I think that’s what it was), am I able to to that with my hd60s? Lastly if you are able to answer my questions😂 what are the best settings for my card now? Not sure if you had a video about it!
1. Yes, the image quality will be better in some ways. The HD60 s works via USB, which has more constraints on bitrate transfer. The fact that this card (4k60 pro mk2) is internal means that the USB transfer rate is not a limit anymore. For example: Oftentimes on my stream, fast movements on Fortnite with crazy buildfights would get pixelated and blurry the more that happened and the faster I flung my mouse around. When I upgraded from external USB, to internal an PCIe, that issue went away. Of course, I still get screen tearing which is a whole separate issue I'm trying to solve. 2. The card does not have a capped bitrate, the only bitrate constraint is what the software is capable of encoding at. The card sends through uncompressed video. 3. The best settings for just your card specifically, or in general within streaming software and all that encompasses that?
With AVerMedia Live Gamer 4K - GC573 is gaming going to be a good time on the capture window? I am looking at a HDMI input device to be able to play my console connected to a PC as I do not have space for a dedicated monitor or TV for it or is 36ms still not fast enough?
Will this work to use my Sony a6400 as a webcam for obs , the cam link is choppy and actually makes my camera look worse than the webcam did, not what I was looking for at all. I’ve also heard talk of a black magic capture . I just want whatever is going to work and give the realistic 4K quality as it should come from the camera Any advice brother? Thanks !
EposVox thanks for the reply! It should I have ryzen 3900x, 32g ddr4 , fatboy graphics card, rog crosshair 7. Its a new build but I can’t see why it wouldn’t handle it, it seems even my laptop which was much less of a system handled it better. Could it be I have too many things plugged in? The keyboard has 2 usb, the mouse also has one , and I also have dual monitors hdmi to usb going into a box that turns them into one usb . I figured this setup would be golden but I’m at a loss as to why it keeps looking wired even with the correct obs settings .
I have a question.... i have a Ryzen 5 2600 and a RX 580. So when i play (soon) on my PS5 and record/stream that through the 4k60pro mk2 via OBS... is that possible? I just want to stream in 1080p60 but want to play 1080p120 with tha passthrough output from the capture card. I will never stream/record above 1080p60. So is that good enough?
Also I’m looking for a video from you or anyone telling people with modest pcs for streaming NOT gaming just obs and recording. Any idea where I can find one.
Quick questions: I bought this for my streaming setup. What I am trying to do is stream 720p59 from an older Xbox One to my PC with limited lag. My processor is an AMD FX-8320E Eight Core and my Video Card is a GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB GDDR5 Dual-Fan Video Card. I installed the capture card because I bought it before understanding how steep the system requirements were and it arrived and I decided to give it a try. So after about an hour of use, my processor temps are hovering in the low 60 degree Celsius range and my PC isn't radiating heat. Is it acceptable to use this card as long as I neve try to run it at its highest settings or is it still dangerous?
ALSO the 1650 will work. Mistake on my part.
POINT OF CLARIFICATION: You're not limited to 2 outputs for the video feed. In this tweet I have a screenshot showing it in 3 different apps at once! twitter.com/EposVox/status/1164272177690157056
I hope you found the ending amusing. It wasn't quite as amusing to finish my edit and then check Twitter and see that..
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TIMECODES:
00:00 Intro
01:30 History & Context
03:28 Review Disclosures
03:52 Hardware
05:51 Secret Trick
07:16 Capture Specs
11:17 Setting It Up
14:05 Software
20:05 Why 4K?
21:26 HDR?!
23:28 Playing HDR
24:23 Editing HDR
25:38 Retro Setups
26:05 Other Options
27:28 Conclusion
floatplane plug, noice
@@AlcorSalvador Of course!
Bro i have an i7 4770, 16GB ram, 525gb SSD crucial and RX580 4GB, obviously i can not stream good quality with this setup, so i wanted to buy an RX 5700 XT, but also i want to consider the elgato HD60 PRO to stream and record. Will i benefite with this setup from the HD60 PRO or is just a waste of money for me????
EposVox so this product is pointless if I’m using it with my one and only pc?
I have a 5820k and 1080 in my backup PC. I notice you said intel 6th gen. I wasn't sure if this had to do with the encoding or differences in drivers or more a performance cut off recommendation? Would my HEDT intel chip work?
Very interesting to hear how it stacks up for some older consoles. Cheers for the testing on that.
HAHAHA that ending. It's so much fun, finishing an edit, being very happy with your well-rounded opinion and decision on whether to recommend a device... all to have something invalidate it riiiiight before you hit render.
Thankfully it was just for a very savage jab. No need to do more work for now twitter.com/AVerMedia/status/1164195578026188800?s=19
@@EposVox That's a pretty epic troll. Well played Aver...
2020: "Why 4K? Who needs 4K?"
2008: "Why 720p? Who would ever need that?"
Things change, mah dudes. Be on top of things and your videos will age like fine wine instead of milk.
yeah because there aren't limitations of video and perception. properly shot and or converted 720p is still perfectly fine for most video. we do not need talking head videos at 4k. never did.
Nope, not even close. In 2008, most people already had monitors with higher-than-720p resolution. In 2021, 1080p is the dominant monitor resolution, and lower-than-1080p is more common than higher-than-1080p. In the steam hardware survey, which skews above the average, only about 2.5% of computers have 4K screens.
4k _is_ the upper limit though. 8k and above is just stupid.
I don't think I've seen a gameplay in such quality on youtube, damn
Massive amount of great info here! Thanks for making this thorough review! 😊
So three things would have to happen before I would consider this card or anything similar.
1. Becoming a better content creator
2. A beefier computer
3. My isp raising my upload speed past 10 mbps.
Once all three of those magically come together, then I will consider this card or similar product.
Until such time, I am bound to 5 year old or so tech. 😜😂😝
It's a journey!
THANK YOU FOR THE SECRET TRICK. Literally the deciding factor for myself since I can stream and record at the same time in 2 different qualities. Something I hadn't even known was possible ! Thank you
I BOUGHT THE CARD : I bought and have been using the card for a little less than a week and actually works on my i5-7600k and 970 LOL (below required specs). I wouldn't have tried unless a Corsair rep responded saying it was possible on an Amazon review question. Sadly won't be able to utilize all of its features BUT was good to know as far as future proofing myself for when I do upgrade it. Thank you again for the help!
I did some testing with one of these cards on a single pc setup just out of interest. FYI @epxvox there is some benefit in a single pc. That is that when you use Game capture and tab out of a full screen game, the viewers see (depending on the game) either the game dropping down to low fps and looking terrible or some games when tabbing out show a frozen screen and viewers ask if the stream is frozen. Capture card shows same as Display capture, but Display capture can fail to work on some games, eg Division 2 where for some reason display capture gives me 40fps and game capture over 100fps in game. Anyway, here's my test results on a single pc, for curiosity...
Stream testing results
Game PUBG
Resolution 1440p
monitor Hz 165
Gsync enabled
1080p streaming - single pc
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145 fps Game capture
95-160 fps Display capture
140-145 fps Elgato 4k capture card
1440p streaming - single pc
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145 fps Game capture
60-70 fps Display capture
130 fps Elgato 4k capture card
Thank you so much for this detail. I just bought a PS5 slim and also want to upgrade my Elgato HD60P card. Great timing for both products.
After seeing your section on requirements, I had to do some research, to which I found that this card does in fact work with AMD GPUs. It needs an RX Vega or better, and this info can not only be found on several etailer sites, but also on the Elgato FAQ section. This is good news for me, as my RX 5700 8GB will handle the workload flawlessly, alongside the rest of my PC's hardware. Btw, have you tested this card out, to see how well it works for capturing 4K video footage from a camera? That's the primary reason I want it, so that I can get the best quality video recording in OBS or other software, and won't be bothering with an X1 or PS4 as that part doesn't interest me.
Have you tried it with an AMD card? The problem with AMD cards (being an AMD fan myself) is that the encoders are buggy and not very good quality. From what I remember the H265 encoder is pretty good... but useless for live streaming.
Just got to the point where I'm capable of doing a dual pc set up for streaming but didn't want to sacrifice my high refresh rate for gaming, glad I found your video with the solutions!
Oh wow, the "secret trick" is actually pretty appealing! Currently I use OBS recording at a 1440p canvas and downscale to 720p to a much lower bitrate using the old NVENC encoder. It's surprisingly not bad, but unfortunately I'll have to pass due to no component 240p support, which I'm not gonna get my hopes up of Elgato ever adding this due to it being analog.
I absolutely LOVE this video, it is one of the reason why I ended up buying the 4K60 Pro Mark II! Thanks EposVox
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What kind of hard drive would you use with this? If the file sizes are huge wouldn't this kill a dedicated SSD in a pretty short amount of time for an active youtuber ?
So, something that “May” work in your situation. AMD has an application called AMD Radeon RAMdisk. It can reserve a maximum of 64GB of memory. Unless you’re recording insane amounts video, you maybe be able to use that as scratch content.
I use it all the time when I’m spinning up a temporary VM and don’t feel like on my SSD’s
You can record 4K to an HDD as long as that HDD is purely for storage and isn't your OS drive. If anything, recording to RAID 0 HDDs is also a good idea for speed increases.
I just got the 4K60 Pro Mk.2 and was wondering on the Xbox do you change the colour depth/space? if so what are the settings you are using?
I been posting comparison between mk1 and mk2 on elgato reddit. But for some reason my captures became darker but with slightly better colours.
Just as a mention, Magewell capture cards have been doing multi-application access for some time.
I'd spoken with Elgato a while back, asked if the feature was possible, and argued the case for its inclusion in a more consumer price-point product. Really awesome that they got it in and working though; as mentioned in the video, it's excellent for recording 'clean' gameplay-only footage for later editing.
As I don't have a 4K60 v2 to test, are you able to access the device at different resolutions+framerates simultaneously, as with Magewell cards?
Epos did you change anything in the xbox colour depth? I got mine but the capture seem darker different compared to the original 4K60 Pro on a non HDR monitor
Eyyy, you did the timer bar thing that GN does on their news videos. Sick!
I am very frustrated with the new elgato hd60x. I get pixelated recordings and preview with iphone 14pro max. Im playing pubg. I tested passthrough and thats fine but obs and recording in 4k utility looks like 360p. Contacted elgato and tried a few settings over the phone but no luck yet. Been weeks aand still going back and forth. Could nvidia settings be the issue? Please help if you can. ❤❤❤❤❤❤
I just bought 4k60 pro for $200 at Micro center. I told them Amazon had a 50% discount and they did a price swipe or something like that.
GEO_Sandro like without showing proof?
KingsmanXV you need to show them proof which I showed them the price on Amazon
Just wanted to say I'm using this capture card in a dual PC streaming setup and the specs listed are definitely NOT a hard requirement. My gaming PC has a GTX 2080ti, 32GB 3200mhz ram, and an i7 8700k CPU. My streaming PC however only has an i7 3770k, 16GB 2600mhz ram, and a GTX 1050ti graphics card. I'm able to Play games at 1080p, 240hz on my Alienware monitor with the amazing 240hz passthrough capability on this card, and I can stream and record easily at 1080p60hz with NVENC without it even causing a hiccup. I just want people to know that you DO NOT need a current gen system, or even the listed specs to actually use this card with great results. Elgato support told me directly that my system would not work, so I bought the card and tried it anyway and I'm very pleased I did.
Requirements always have essentially some amount of headroom built in to them, and are meant to cover all different uses like capturing 4K 60fps directly in the 4K Capture Utility software, streaming different resolutions, and other activities on the computer.
So yes some can use this card with a slightly older system, but I still would ask people not to pick one up unless they meet the listed requirements.
Sometimes specs are not simply performance related but newer platforms have advantages, and not everyone has their system optimized for capturing or has a dedicated system. If they are capturing a console, they may have only one PC which is running other software they need at the time. Many more factors at play.
@@SirCrest I understand your point. I just recall Elgato support stating that my system would be guaranteed insufficient for the specific use case I gave them and they were definitely wrong about that. I'm sure if I were streaming in 4k, or only had a single PC, my story would be different. I have tried streaming directly on my gaming PC and even that did not provide the Experience I was looking for.
So, useless for Linux again.... How is the " Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro 4K" for Linux?
Grabbed one of these recently. It runs just fine on an i7-4770k and a GTX 1080. I'm able to use passthrough with OBS but the Elgato 4K Capture Utility has a noticeable lag.
Disclaimer: I bought this for future proofing. I've not bothered with 4K so far - I imagine my weak processor may struggle with 4K.
My brother just bought me this omg he's so sweet I'ma cry now
Update! It's a great capture card
Rebecca smiles u have 2 pc’s?
Around 8:40 you mention the lower 4:2:0 color resolution of the 4K60 Pro in comparison the to AVerMedia Live Gamer 4K, do you know if the firmware and driver update Elgato released since then actually enables 4:4:4 video output or is it still emulated? This is important to me since I capture mainly PC GUI interfaces and not games, so visual fringing would be very noticeable to me and would be a reason I would choose the Live Gamer 4K over the 4K60 Pro.
You also touched on how the Elgato stretched a 4:3 1024x768 resolution image to widescreen. I'm often capturing retro PC's at resolutions of 640x480, 720x400 (MS-DOS), 800x600, and 1024x768. Do you have any experience with either the Live Gamer 4K or 4K60 Pro at these lower resolutions, and would you recommend one over the other for someone capturing mostly PC output?
Yes the update enables full 444 and 422 now.
Both cards are likely to stretch those resolutions, only option that won’t is Magewell - but you can apply the aspect ratio correction filter in OBS to put it back
Ah okay, and thanks for the quick response. Besides those two, are there any other capture devices that support 4:4:4 color resolution that you know of, or any other devices you'd recommend for capturing PC output, even if they don't support 4:4:4?
what happens if you plug the GFX card HDMI into the input of the capture card? does that work or does it blow up ?
That’s how dual pc works lol
@@EposVox I mean on the same PC, not a second dedicated one ;)
You get worse performance and 0 benefits to use it in a single pc
I'll answer that like the only professional, as usual with these garbage clickbait channels, as it's something I do with the HD60 Pro. It only does 1080 so I'm looking to upgrade. Unfortunately I ended up here.
If you plug the GPU HDMI out in to it you'll get an infinitely better capture quality than OBS. I've tried every combination in OBS and the quality is always garbage. I smashed the HD60 up to 60mbps (max) writing to an M3 and the quality was perfect. I even watched it back on my 4k and it was clearer than 75mbps 4k capture in OBS. The Elgato PCI line is worth every penny.
In terms of performance, there's almost no loss. When capturing the Elgato app uses about 350mb RAM. It's nothing. Barely any CPU power. If you turn off live playback and disable preview it will use 1% to 3% GPU resources. Actual GPU, it will use no GPU RAM. That's me running on an old, near bottom end, GTX 1060. So I can play a game on the same machine I'm capturing on and have near 0% system resource impact, unlike with OBS which uses a ton of resouces and the video still comes out garbage...
Epos, Why would you select "Color Range": Partial opposed to Full? Just Curious and thanks in advance :)
i cant wait to have this capture card
Hey there! I just got this card, but for some reason gameplay recorded in 4K Capture Utility is shorter than it's recorded in OBS. Separate game and voice audio tracks are fine and can be synced to my stream/facecam recordings from OBS, but the video gets more out of sync the longer gameplay is. Tried it without the obs - the problem stays the same. After 1:19:27 of playing game I get the same length for separate audio files and 1:19:14 for the video file. And if you sync it in the beginning - it gets desynced randomly throughout the footage
I unfortunately won’t be buying another cap card until they support 4K 120 FPS or DP
Saw this comment yesterday when I started looking for cards now I feel it 😂🤦♂️
If anyone sees this, GeForce GTX 10XX is **NOT** the bottom requirement. I’ve seen it run on a GTX 970ti and I am currently running it flawlessly with a GTX 980ti.
Watching this 4k60 capture card review at 360p.
:/ It's been HOURS
lol yeah, RUclips is odd sometimes. I know that feel.
At least the content is good.
Fantastic video! Please just one question, i have large Samsung TV which has my PC and ps5 connected to it. If I buy the elgato 4k 60 mk2, can this work? My idea is setup the stream on the PC and switch HDMI to the ps5 and play on ps5 while it live stream to youtube, any thoughts?
Still need freesync/gsync support
I was looking for the correct answer why when Capturing HDR was so slow exactly how you shown on this video. Now I finally got it, I only use the capture card to record from my PS4 Pro, my computer is not that powerful, just a Ryzen 5 2400G with a Nvidia Geforce GTX1060 Super 6GB. Records fine in 4K but when tried HDR I thought would be my processor or graphic. You are awesome :D
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EposVox you really are awesome man I mean it 😃. Your videos are so well made, top quality, top knowledge, so organised by sections, nice to listen. You should have much more than the triple of the subscribers. Happy New Year mate, all the best 😃
Hey i have a question to you... I have a ryzen 5 2600 and a RX 580. So when (later) i record or stream my ps5 in 1080p60... is that possible? I want to game at 1080p120 with the passthrough output but i only want to record/stream 1080p60... so is my computer good enough, or do I need realy the specs that elgato given us, so minimum a Ryzen 7?! I hope u respond :D Thanks
Thanx for great review - lots of features and tech detail, clearly presented.
For a single pc set up for me personally it’s actually worth it because it is the only way I can stream HDR in Streamlabs OBS with tone mapping not a fan of “Lut” or Shadowplay so the easiest way around it for me was the 4k60 Pro MK.2
Yea, that was a big WTF when he said that. Of course it benefits a single PC setup, it takes all of the stream encoding off of the video card. LOL
Which webcam do you use? And thanks for the review
How do you eliminate audio lag when using this? I have my Series X plugged into this, yet no matter what I find, the only "low lag" option is listening through obs monitoring. The audio extractors ive found wont allow 1080p120fps pass through either. HELP!
Can't wait. Still saving for this.
Hi can you help ? I have a Gaming PC and specs are :
Core i9 9900k, GTX 2080 ti EXTREME, 32 GB RAM but still it's not enough to record 4k 60 fps gaming on OBS Classic, it takes too much space and it lags so if i use this capture card will it help ?
Capture card will not help. Your system is powerful enough, you just need to optimize your settings
@@EposVox Thanks for quick reply
Can you tell me the settings of obs ? i've tried all settings from RUclips tutorials, Some setting takes too much space like 20 minutes of 4k gameplay will take 100GB plus and when i use settings from different RUclips video, the recorded gameplay video from obs drops the frame and it lags
I want more than average 4k video quality that takes less space, takes more power of gpu instead of cpu ( less cpu intensive ), smooth gameplay with zero framedrops
( I'm using Logitech 4k webcam, BlueYeti Pro mic and recording gameplays with maxed out graphics with all these devices on OBS classic software )
Just need to know what will be best from my pc.....
@@ShahmeerAbbasOfficial It will always take a ton of storage space because the higher resolution requires more space to store the data in.
@Goblin Slayer I have amd rx 6900 xt, and Ryzen 9 5950x and it sucks for recording. It's good if you record 5-6 minute video, after that the stutter is coming...
Dude, I saw your battle network magnet man figure and was like " I KNOW THAT GUY, I HAVE HIM TOO!" glad to see another fan!
so just to be clear i can connect my cannon eos mkii to this? and run it through obs?
Which should I buy the Elgato 4k60 Pro Mk.2 or Avermedia Live Gamer 4K?
Wow! I've never found such a good UX of YT video! Super pro!
Wait, why wouldn’t the 1650 work with this? The 1650 has the Volta NVENC encoding chip on it, which I thought was better than the Pascal one? Great video btw, very informative. I was looking at the Avermedia 4K so that I can use my 144hz monitor with no issues but this has definitely made my life harder by giving me an option 😂
May sound kinda dumb, but my new PC a few months ago and everything is somewhat high end, running 32gb of RAM, an RTX 2070 super, but it’s just that my CPU is a Ryzen 5 3600, I understand that you said one of the requirements is an AMD Ryzen 7, but could I still benefit from this capture card when everything else I’m using is pretty top notch for the most part?
I'm wondering, using a HD60 Pro, would it be possible to now use the Elgato Game Capture HD Software for recording - specifically using the on-board encoding chip (and thus save CPU) - while simultaneously streaming in OBS, thanks to the Multi App Support? I understand that previously you needed to close the Elgato Game Capture HD Software in order to use OBS, and that the only option to record and stream at the same time was through Master Copy in Elgato's own software. Asking this as I'm currently doubting between buying the 4K60 Pro Mk.2 and HD60 Pro, and interested in the latter's on-board encoder purely from a CPU standpoint.
You mention this card couldn't handle the 5x mode on OSSC. The Retrotink 5x wasn't out when this was reviewed. Have you gone back and tested this card at all with that scaler? Or would it be better to go with the newer HD60X as someone that streams from both old and new?
So, I have this card in an egpu setup. It seems to work ok.
Dell Precision 7720 w/ Thunderbolt 3
Aorus Gaming Box GTX1080 Shell w/ Card inside.
My plan is to move this card and the GTX into a separate and portable streaming Box due to needing my thunderbolt 3 for my eGPU
But the Magewell Pro Capture line allows you to use the card in a bunch of programs, not just 2.
So i think the best way for pc gamers without older konsoles is the expensive way.So the magewell is the high end with the higest resolution and refreshrates. Thank you for the video ! 😁👌
I'm getting screen tearing in Streamlabs OBS, 4K Capture Utility, etc.. on my streaming PC. Whether I'm recording or streaming, it is VERY noticable. The Elgato is cloned with my 1080p 144Hz monitor on my gaming PC, everything looks good on that front. The Elgato is also set to 1080p 144Hz, and the source input in 4K Capture Utility registers as 1080p 144Hz properly. Only thing wrong is my recordings, or my live gameplay, has bad screen tearing. Any ideas?
Streaming PC Specs:
- i7 7700k
- EVGA GeForce GTX 1050ti
- 16 GB RAM
- EVGA 650W PSU
- MSI Z270 Plus mobo
I know this is a long shot but did you ever fix this?
@@AleexTg I had to compromise with enabling "fast" VSYNC in Nvidia Control Panel. That got rid of it. At the cost of, ya know, VSYNC.
In all honesty the worst purchase I made in a long time. Runs hot + the software is buggy as hell even with latest firmware plus you need a high end PC/GPU to literally be able to capture from console or otherwise, an additional high cost lol. Returned it to Vendor after two days of use. And support is one big joke. Great Channel and Video by the way.
Love your videos! Didn't catch any comment on the preview latency. Have you had a chance to test that?
Curious if we're in the sub 40ms latency space with cards now
It was in the video :) Capture specs section. On mobile so i can't link
@@EposVox found it, 10:18
🤦♂️ sorry I totally missed that section, thank you for being so thorough!
Well done Epos, well done 👍👍👍👍👍
Sooooo if you just pass through the a 3440x1440 video from gaming PC and stream it at downscale of 1920x1080 - having a 9 series GPU should work just fine. System requirements comes off as a more of a console streaming not dual PC setup where you are not using their personal software. Pass through of video means you are just moving the video to OBS or streaming software, your GPU should not be taking any sort of input with it. I think that needs to be clearer in the video, if you are using the NVEC or GPU encoders then of course get the system requirements because if the CPU is the only thing doing any encoding of video then the GPU is simply there to give you a monitor to look at - not encode - and send video upward.
If this is wrong let me know because I do not use the OUT on my elgato right now. My GPU is simply hooked up to a monitor so I can configure OBS and stream it and there are zero issues with that and having a 4k60pro where i am only sending a 1440p @ 100hz signal and downscaling to 1080 @ 60hz signal (60 FPS with vsync) should not change the hardware requirements.
Again chime in if you believe me to be wrong, but explanation of how to use a capture card is something that is extremely hard to find clear and concise. Someone looks at system requirements with a 12core CPU & 980 ti and go..."Shit i need to upgrade in order to use this capture card, that does not make sense. I am not using my GPU with this thing the GPU is giving monitor display functionality."
EposVox Please advise which card to buy, I look at elgato 4kpro or Avermedia 4k live gamer. I have stream PC on Amd ryzen 7, i use only obs. I have been choosing for a week and I can’t understand what will be the best without problems. Thanks you man!
@EposVox I don't know if you can answer this, but I give it a try.
The minimum specs for using this card is said to be i7 gen 6 or newer + gtx 10-series.
My question is, I'm considering getting one but my stream-pc have a i7-5820k (x99) and a gtx1080. Will this even work? Since it's technically an older cpu than min.requirements but still a more powerful cpu than some of the 6th gen i7's ?? i will mirror my 1440p144 monitor but output 900p60 through OBS.
Lovet the video. Thanks.
About the CRT.. It looks to me like the CRT might need a capkit. The image isn't cropped it's rolling over itself. I've seen this a lot on old Arcade monitors (I have a few arcade cabinets) and TV's. You might wanna check that.
? It works fine as long as the signal isn't running through this card
Honestly outputting to two different programs is such an amazing feature, I was about to consider buying a second LGHD 2, but I think taking to jump to 144hz capture is gonna be a nice upgrade as well. Now I just have to fork up the money.
How did they do it - shrinking the thing? Was it by switching from FPGA/ASIC to fully custom designed cores?
They went from using 4 hdmi processing chips working together down to 1
So I'm confused. Sorry I'm new to the master race. I have a dual 1440p monitor pc setup. I have the elgato hd60 pro and was previously using it for my channel happily recording in 1080p 60fps. Well with these new 2k monitors seem to stop me from using my current elgato to RECORD 2k content. Do I need this 4k capture card to capture my stuff in 2k now? Or can I use my current elgato to still capture 1080 video? Streaming doesn't seem to be an issue. I get to enjoy 2k gaming while my viewers (all 2 of you lol) see 1080p 60fps.
does pci capturecards effect responce time on gaming monitors for dual pc streaming?
also. you said it is not compatible with gsync does that mean i will experience screen tearing on my gaming monitor?
i am considering buying one of these but i need these questions answered. another great video xx
Well done video! I have a question though: How does the cpu usage of Elgato's software compare to that of Avermedia's while capturing and recording 4k?
No matter what settings or bitrate I try to use on YT or Twitch, my stream looks like trash. I thought this might help but your saying it won't. I don't know what to do as I can't stream because of this. Note I guess wanna stream my desktop with my MIC. That's all.
Is it possible to connect an DSLR Camera to the 4K60? And how hard would the workload be to connect an 4K 60 Pro and an HD60S to a Computer? My system has the following specifications: AMD Ryzen 7 3700x, Geforce RTX 3060 und 32 GB RAM - Any awnsers are appreciated.
Does the HDR come across cleaner on the stream as well, or just with the recording version? I have a dual PC setup but mainly stream and not record (using hd60 pro). Would it be worth upgrading to to the newer version? Thanks for any input :)
I have a Ryzen 5 3600 with a 1660 super and I just want to capture the ps5 gameplay at 1080p60 once that comes out. I don’t want to deal with any delays like I had to endure with the first hd60. I really don’t see myself gaming even in 1440p within the next year or so. I’m pretty casual. So idk what to do lol
Same here best bet is to get hd60 s+ for console 4k is almost still useless esp for games like cod.
If you could pick one avermedia live gamer 4k or elgato 4k60 pro which would it be
Great explanation very educational. So if used with a camera what's the difference between the 4k cam link and 4k cam link pro? I don't wanna run my camera through USB 3.0 and I want to save $150.
Quality wise, nothing, they will give you the same results. The Cam Link Pro just has 4 inputs
@@EposVox Thanks for your expertise you always be coming through and responding back. So even the 4k camlink USB has the same quality as 4K60 Pro MK2? just a little less latency with 4K60 Pro MK2?
The 4k60 pro will also give you 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 chroma subsampling capture options, but most cameras don’t even output that so not really a big deal
@@EposVox So just stick with the 4k camlink?
so 3440x1440 with HDR1000 with a 2 PC setup is no problem right?
up to 100hz
Just got mine a week ago and having a few of problems like popping sounds when gameplay gets too loud, "no signal" showing up randomly after I stop recording making me unplug and re-plug to get it fix, and recordings sometimes show nothing. Sigh may just have to return this and try the avermedia 4k instead if I can't find a solution :(
I can't seem to find any real answers on this including from elgato tech support, let's see what you guys are made of 😀 Can this card pass 1080p hdr10 in any framerate above 60hz? All of the documentation I can find and Elgato tech support says hdr is only tested at 60 fps. If not, are you aware of any devices that can?
This board does exactly what I want, and so much I don't need (or want to pay for). Also, I'm down to 1 PCIE slot that I'd prefer to save. All I need to do is accurately capture the 4K output from my Panasonic FZ300 at 30Hz. Can you suggest a good quality USB 3.0 capture device that will appear as a video source in OBS on my well-powered Win10 PC?
@EposVox Hi there, is there a quality difference If I just use a 1050ti or maybe a way better Nvidia Card in my streaming PC? Regards Kasumi
Hey EposVox! Not sure if you're going to see this or not but did you ever figure out if these 4K60FPS work with UW monitors?
Input EDID Merged display or internal? You wouldn't happen to have a video explaining that part of the mk2 Epos? TY
Can you please explain to me how to setup the audio for capturing? You said that in general to keep the audio muted in the elgato 4k capture software.
But how can you record the audio? If my headphones connected stright to PS5, the capture card will only record the video.
When you are playing, your headphones connected to the pc or your console?
Can you please help me??
Got my answer. Good video bud. Saved me some money.. Jesus, a company really needs to figure this out for a single pc unit so we do not need to worry about all this dual pc crap anymore..I must say the 12900K and having 3080TI is close to being able to forget about all this already anyway. Just feels like things are so close to getting out of the era of working about capture cards at all.UGH someone needs to figure this out already.
Yay, knew this was coming :D - woah this is a massive update for the card. The FPS upgrade is a huge deal for those with higher refresh monitors, plus you’ll now be able to edit vids to a slow motion style!
Later than expected
EposVox cool vid, odd that they’ve gone with hdmi though.
Why? Console support is kinda required for it to be viable on the market - especially since the new HDR selling point is mainly a console feature - and most monitors these days support HDMI 2.0. DisplayPort is expensive to manufacture and limits who can use it.
EposVox well, I’d got used to DP for everything :p
I'm about to build a new PC for creation and gaming. I'm thinking of getting a Ryzen 5950x (the new Threadripper PRO great for work but poor for gaming so it's a fail as I need a balance), RTX3090 Strix/GamingX, 64gb, 3 x 1TB SSD Samsung 960 pro, Motherboard (not sure but it need to be amazing). I really need to capture 4K 120fps lossless and even 8k 60fps videos (near lossless). If getting a PC like this would be enough or do I need to create a 2nd PC strictly for video capturing? Advice from you and everyone seriously needed.
If you’re doing lossless, all of your budget really needs to go into massive storage arrays both for speed and capacity (3tb will go fast) and not cpu
This sounds like a single pc gaming capture setup otherwise there are no capture devices for those formats yet lol
Hello. What to choose between Elgato 4k60 pro mk2 and Magewell AIO 4k plus? I need the card only for streaming sport events at 1080(for the moment) with OBS, and i want the best video quality. Is there any other capture card that provide a better video quality than thoose two ?
You fixed my problem! Couldn't get it to pass through at 1440p - 120hz. Thanks for your help :D
I've read forum posts that it works with Maxwell too, like 750 Ti and 900 Series GPUs
Hello congratulations for your videos .. beautiful! I recently bought the 4K60, but I can't see hdr videos with Potplayer, unfortunately the 4k60 performs the tone mapping automatically .. do you know how to manage a manual? thanks bye !!
What's the best price friendly capture card for consoles would you say?? I want to get into recording and streaming but dont wanna spend money and have it suck...
Is the gpu/cpu requirement for the steaming pc or gaming? And is my 5500XT not good enough?
Should I purchase this or the hd60 ones?
Hey does both PC have to have the same requirement or just a gaming PC?
Would this be a good choice to make a backup copy of a blu-ray movie? I know Makemkv is also an option.
I have no issue playing my games through the preview screen. I do not play online games and mostly play JRPG's so the lag is non existent for me.
So if I’m using my hd60 s for my dual pc setup right now. Will I see a better image quality and what not with this card? (I stream at 900p 60fps). Also in the video you show you can control the bitrate at which the card sends through (I think that’s what it was), am I able to to that with my hd60s? Lastly if you are able to answer my questions😂 what are the best settings for my card now? Not sure if you had a video about it!
1. Yes, the image quality will be better in some ways. The HD60 s works via USB, which has more constraints on bitrate transfer. The fact that this card (4k60 pro mk2) is internal means that the USB transfer rate is not a limit anymore. For example: Oftentimes on my stream, fast movements on Fortnite with crazy buildfights would get pixelated and blurry the more that happened and the faster I flung my mouse around. When I upgraded from external USB, to internal an PCIe, that issue went away. Of course, I still get screen tearing which is a whole separate issue I'm trying to solve.
2. The card does not have a capped bitrate, the only bitrate constraint is what the software is capable of encoding at. The card sends through uncompressed video.
3. The best settings for just your card specifically, or in general within streaming software and all that encompasses that?
With AVerMedia Live Gamer 4K - GC573 is gaming going to be a good time on the capture window? I am looking at a HDMI input device to be able to play my console connected to a PC as I do not have space for a dedicated monitor or TV for it or is 36ms still not fast enough?
Will this work to use my Sony a6400 as a webcam for obs , the cam link is choppy and actually makes my camera look worse than the webcam did, not what I was looking for at all. I’ve also heard talk of a black magic capture . I just want whatever is going to work and give the realistic 4K quality as it should come from the camera Any advice brother? Thanks !
This will definitely work, though that cam link experience is certainly not normal so I'd have concern that your PC can handle it
EposVox thanks for the reply! It should I have ryzen 3900x, 32g ddr4 , fatboy graphics card, rog crosshair 7. Its a new build but I can’t see why it wouldn’t handle it, it seems even my laptop which was much less of a system handled it better. Could it be I have too many things plugged in? The keyboard has 2 usb, the mouse also has one , and I also have dual monitors hdmi to usb going into a box that turns them into one usb . I figured this setup would be golden but I’m at a loss as to why it keeps looking wired even with the correct obs settings .
I have a question.... i have a Ryzen 5 2600 and a RX 580. So when i play (soon) on my PS5 and record/stream that through the 4k60pro mk2 via OBS... is that possible? I just want to stream in 1080p60 but want to play 1080p120 with tha passthrough output from the capture card. I will never stream/record above 1080p60. So is that good enough?
Also I’m looking for a video from you or anyone telling people with modest pcs for streaming NOT gaming just obs and recording. Any idea where I can find one.
7:50 yoooo! this man just said MIXER! XD
Quick questions: I bought this for my streaming setup. What I am trying to do is stream 720p59 from an older Xbox One to my PC with limited lag. My processor is an AMD FX-8320E Eight Core and my Video Card is a GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB GDDR5 Dual-Fan Video Card. I installed the capture card because I bought it before understanding how steep the system requirements were and it arrived and I decided to give it a try. So after about an hour of use, my processor temps are hovering in the low 60 degree Celsius range and my PC isn't radiating heat. Is it acceptable to use this card as long as I neve try to run it at its highest settings or is it still dangerous?