How Far Can You Push a GR Yaris or GR Corolla Stock Engine? Motive Garage

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  • Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
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    In this episode of Motive Garage , presented by Sparesbox, we inspect the engine and head to see why the cooling system was pressurising and get an idea of how hard you can push a stock GR Yaris engine.
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Комментарии • 842

  • @HFV_Junkyardin
    @HFV_Junkyardin 2 года назад +2150

    So what I’m hearing is that Toyota should double this and make another legendary in-line 6.

    • @Mr.Marbles
      @Mr.Marbles 2 года назад +107

      yes! its so cool to see how much the downsize engines make, when you would put 2 together. the 3 pot fiesta st engine would be a 3.0 inline six with 400 hp and around 600 nm of torque for example. dont know if you can just weld 2 together, but i think it wouldnt be that hard. get on it toyota! give the people the supra they want.

    • @yan7911
      @yan7911 2 года назад +87

      @@Mr.Marbles the bmw inline 6 in the mk5 supra is already incredible

    • @Mr.Marbles
      @Mr.Marbles 2 года назад +149

      @@yan7911 it is, but its a bmw engine. The whole point of the original supras was the engine, which was made by toyota. I dont think people would care, that it shares parts and the platform with bmw. But the engine should be toyota and that is what many people dislike.

    • @mikethompson7046
      @mikethompson7046 2 года назад +31

      @@Mr.Marbles hate to burst ur bubble but the engine 2jz was made by Yamaha

    • @johnnyng8527
      @johnnyng8527 2 года назад +110

      3JZ

  • @VonGeggry
    @VonGeggry 2 года назад +1068

    450HP out of a three cylinder. That's pretty damn insane.

    • @skvltdmedia
      @skvltdmedia 2 года назад +117

      And if it pops it doesn't cost 5k like shitty subie boxers of today.

    • @KLOKSLAG1911
      @KLOKSLAG1911 2 года назад +35

      HKS YARIS GR have 450bhp and still drives arround

    • @NayaA-Ri
      @NayaA-Ri 2 года назад

      What about Nissan ZEOD engine ?

    • @skyreach669
      @skyreach669 2 года назад

      @@skvltdmedia You're fucking delusional if you don't think a brand new engine like this won't cost 10k

    • @TheJapfanboy
      @TheJapfanboy 2 года назад +2

      @@skvltdmedia damn this guy wants all the smoke🤣

  • @n.kempland2825
    @n.kempland2825 2 года назад +103

    This proves that Toyota can build an absolutely mental engine.
    Time to put the Supra back on the drawing board and put a Toyota motor in it.
    This thing is nuts.
    Cams and a larger turbo and this is a 500+ stock motor all day.

    • @RanNguyenParked
      @RanNguyenParked 2 года назад

      With a constantly blown head gasket 😭

    • @Mark3nd
      @Mark3nd 2 года назад +2

      Erm, "Supra on the drawing board and put a toyota motor (engine) in it."? Dude, that's .... basically just remaking the new engine for the Supra. The body is fine, the interior is fine.

    • @nightriderjazz
      @nightriderjazz 2 года назад +5

      @@Mark3nd change the BMW infotainment and AC controls to Toyota. A slight touch up to the tail lights would also help. Boom, a great supra

    • @Mark3nd
      @Mark3nd 2 года назад +3

      @@nightriderjazz The idea is from BMW, the make is Mercedes, the body is Toyota, the lights are bmw, the suspension is ford, the tires are ferrari, the exhaust is Lamborghini
      Basically, its a car thats not really Toyota. Its basically every manufacturer car (unfortunately its true to MANY cars ever).

    • @oscarchakanetsa8425
      @oscarchakanetsa8425 2 года назад +3

      I felt betrayed by toyota when they used a bmw engine in the legendary Supra

  • @jrbuch
    @jrbuch 2 года назад +254

    That's a beast of a little engine. I always thought open deck blocks weren't so strong - but those cylinder walls look chunky.

    • @enriqueamontero4695
      @enriqueamontero4695 2 года назад +2

      Yeah, man. She's thick!!

    • @mengx94
      @mengx94 2 года назад +7

      Thicc

    • @brandons9138
      @brandons9138 2 года назад +8

      Open deck designs are a weakness when making high power. The thickness of the wall is only 1/2 the equation. If the stiffness of the structure holding the wall in place is lacking the bore will move under high power/rpms. I'd be willing to bet that is what happened to this engine. An inline 3 is a pretty short crank and block, but no matter what, materials have their limits. Open deck aluminum block engines are just grenades waiting to happen in high power configurations.

    • @devon5078
      @devon5078 2 года назад

      @@brandons9138 im sure it wont be a problem until ur pushing like 500+whp

    • @crisnmaryfam7344
      @crisnmaryfam7344 2 года назад

      @@brandons9138 you really think they didnt measure and look for that when they tore it down after it popped? ... Derp. What happened is they blew a head gasket. Obviously. Depending on the engine its pretty damn easy to do especially at high boost levels.

  • @ARIPerformance
    @ARIPerformance 2 года назад +151

    Awesome video! We are actually finding the exact same limitation with the Abarth & Alfa 1.4 TJet engine. They also run a MLS gasket (0.7mm) that is not perfectly round and with 35+ manifold pressure we are also pushing boost between the gasket layers into the cooling system blowing the main welch plug out of the block. ARP headstuds have helped us eliminate this issue with stock components while keeping the OEM MLS gasket, we are just using thicker OEM MLS gasket (1.67mm) to help with dropping compression and increasing clamping force to handle the boost. Our 1.4 engines also have a "brace" styled crank girdle so good to see it has a very similiar styled design! Keen to see your progress Andrew :)

    • @wobblysauce
      @wobblysauce 2 года назад +1

      And the headstuds same Tq spec? or a few extra clicks...

    • @mmllmmll22
      @mmllmmll22 2 года назад +8

      1.4T-jet is a monster, it just needs a few upgrades to handle BIG power.

    • @ARIPerformance
      @ARIPerformance 2 года назад +8

      @@wobblysauce we torque to ARP's specification

    • @ARIPerformance
      @ARIPerformance 2 года назад +10

      @@mmllmmll22Unbelievable how much power we can make out of a 1368cc engine, completely unopened they have a lot of potential in the right hands.

    • @ArisGeo1002
      @ArisGeo1002 2 года назад +8

      1.4 TJET/multiair is a beast in right hands even in totally stock form. SLP in greece is making 350+ hp stock!
      Also is a closed deck design helping with boost!

  • @enesfazlic6017
    @enesfazlic6017 2 года назад +150

    Man can you imagine a 3.2 V6 version of this engine design. It would be a beast.
    2jz remastered and modernised.
    Easily 700 --1000 ho capable on stock internals.

    • @ardijanuar2036
      @ardijanuar2036 2 года назад +8

      LC 300 series and lexus ls500 v6 turbo is already exist. Yeah they're not really performance oriented engine but its there.

    • @deandrej674
      @deandrej674 2 года назад +8

      @@ardijanuar2036 the most power we have seen from that engine is in the gr land cruiser and engine alone makes 409hp

    • @bas0puh
      @bas0puh 2 года назад +15

      V6 is not the strongest platform

    • @enesfazlic6017
      @enesfazlic6017 2 года назад +27

      @@bas0puh thats true should have said Inline 6 😁

    • @avancalledrupert5130
      @avancalledrupert5130 2 года назад +2

      @@bas0puh that's true but a v6 is the best engine for waight distribution . That's why I like a v6 .

  • @gcntech9071
    @gcntech9071 2 года назад +10

    Back in 1990 I bought a Daihatsu Charade Gtti (my first car) with 3 cyliders 12v turbo with a factory 101 hp and with just 3 mods and 0.9-1bar could reach 160+hp easily. I had it like this for 6 years and the only problem I had was the weak transmission disk until I got a special star like racing style straight from Japan. 32 years ago!

  • @brownsworthy7323
    @brownsworthy7323 2 года назад +169

    Again an amazing assessment of the GR and an honest presentation of strengths and weaknesses.
    Really a testament to the work and effort you guys have gone to to squeeze the most out of this platform and provide an analytical and solution based presentation.
    As a GR Yaris owner I thank you for your efforts.

  • @glanzaturbo
    @glanzaturbo 2 года назад +40

    Good morning Andrew, Rory from Jamaica. I've had this issue before and seen it on a number of "stockish" starlets. Usually we just get a cometic head gasket and some ARP head studs. The factory GR Yaros head gasket looks just like a cometic so I believe and hope it is sufficient. So this leads is to the head studs... I know you know already but let me just say it so it's said.. lol. The studs will equalize the pressure distribution between the head and block with alot more clamping force that should alleviate the problem. The Starlet 4e/5e... ARP make head bolts but not a head stud kit. All you have to do is build your own kit. Measure the bolts and you can actually order the studs off ARP Website , make sure when ordering the washers they not only can go over the bolts but narrow enough to sit in the washer depression made in the head... Talking from experience. Then check the clearance for the tool to actually fit down in the head to tighten them. I don't know the clearance on the GR head but you may have to do some light machining with a porting tool to get it to fit... Very minor, and it's just to get clearance. Hope this helps. I'm going to check ARP and send a link for their custom sizes and send in a reply to this comment. Also you don't have to worry about the threading on the studs being too long as you can easily cut down the studs if the are too long at the top, as long as when it's tightened you have at least 2mm you won't comprise the strength. Cheers mate

  • @auwz66
    @auwz66 2 года назад +38

    As with most things at this level you found the failure point. The rest of the engine is so strong that the gasket failed before anything else - which is actually what you want. Looking at the internals I suspect that they always planned for that engine to be 300bhp in road trim and be reliable. (i.e GRC)

  • @grominwithrob1339
    @grominwithrob1339 2 года назад +93

    Imagine the day to day reliability of a stock or lightly modified GR.

    • @Dante_S550_Turbo
      @Dante_S550_Turbo 2 года назад +26

      that's why i'm so hyped for these damn things. a rally grocery getter that will in most places have a lifetime warranty XD

    • @tafabeatz
      @tafabeatz 2 года назад +4

      If you think it will have reliability you must be out of your damn mind

    • @Martin-xh1hd
      @Martin-xh1hd 2 года назад +4

      @@tafabeatz why?

    • @tafabeatz
      @tafabeatz 2 года назад +8

      @@Martin-xh1hd it’s a toyota 3 cylinder turbo engine producing 300hp that’s why

    • @Dante_S550_Turbo
      @Dante_S550_Turbo 2 года назад +13

      @@tafabeatz it's fully forged with di & pi keeping the valves cool and clean. the bottom 3rd of the block is the crank main caps like a brace in a racing engine. this thing is built to fuck shit up.

  • @wilarsuki
    @wilarsuki 2 года назад +23

    Running 10's with a 3cyl. Is really awesome!

  • @ThePilotGear
    @ThePilotGear 2 года назад +26

    I love these things. The small car, the small engine, the impressive durability and engineering behind them. I hope it doesn't ALL go away.

    • @skunch
      @skunch 2 года назад +1

      All things come to an end. We are witnessing the final decades of petrol vehicles, and the craziest stuff hasn't even been seen yet.

    • @ThePilotGear
      @ThePilotGear 2 года назад +1

      @@skunch I'm sure there's a way to keep the cool stuff around, new niche stuff to be developped, but get your soccer mom Nissan Rogues mandated as PHEVs.

  • @paulholla
    @paulholla 2 года назад +25

    All that power from a 3 cylinder is just nuts 🤪

  • @blairbrown4812
    @blairbrown4812 2 года назад +13

    Scotty Kilmer would be completely appalled.
    Keep up the good work.

    • @Nishan113
      @Nishan113 Год назад

      @@sonacphotos Finally I see someone else calling him out. The guy is stuck in the 90’s. I’m surprised he manages to fix anything from the modern era

  • @taylorwheeler9940
    @taylorwheeler9940 2 года назад +80

    I'm sure ARP will come out with a head stud for these soon.

  • @bentles
    @bentles 2 года назад +78

    I wouldn’t be “tightening the bolts a little more” unless you get some testing done on them in regards to clamping force vs stretch etc
    You may end up with less clamping force by turning them further

    • @matthewoneil8136
      @matthewoneil8136 2 года назад +21

      Yep, they are torque to yield bolts, nothing to be gained from doing them any tighter. After the material has yielded, further elongation will not result in higher clamping load.

    • @TRiGGAH786
      @TRiGGAH786 2 года назад +27

      1 extra ugga ugga

    • @Senninha1960
      @Senninha1960 2 года назад

      @Random doesn't the Yaris use torque to yield bolts?

    • @Eduardo_Espinoza
      @Eduardo_Espinoza 2 года назад

      Good call

    • @christopherbassit2757
      @christopherbassit2757 2 года назад +1

      90 degree turn after torque spec bud

  • @mikeyg4297
    @mikeyg4297 2 года назад +60

    i d rather blow the headgasket than break the block, they should of done this as a inline 6 for the mk5 supra

    • @sigmaprojects
      @sigmaprojects 2 года назад +6

      yeas... 3.2L Beast would be awesome. I honestly doubt we'll see another ICE Supra in the future.

    • @supers0nic77
      @supers0nic77 2 года назад

      We all wish they of did this. They should have ran with that ft1 design as well

    • @sigmaprojects
      @sigmaprojects 2 года назад

      @@supers0nic77 I just wanted a toyota ground up RWD coupe. Just sucks that I don't think we'll ever get one that breaths fire.

    • @supers0nic77
      @supers0nic77 2 года назад

      @@sigmaprojects that's my style as well. I'm all about mr2s and 240sx

    • @davothegreat9990
      @davothegreat9990 Год назад

      B58 can reach about 800whp on a stock engine....

  • @nicolaspetrone3739
    @nicolaspetrone3739 2 года назад +2

    Going to put the deposit on the corolla GR circuit today in USA. Cant wait to mod this thing

  • @kovacspis
    @kovacspis 2 года назад +25

    I absolutely love this series guys! Makes me so happy each episode.

  • @aSinisterKiid
    @aSinisterKiid 2 года назад +11

    That head gasket held up amazingly well given the circumstances. There are guys with fully built 1500+ hp engines that are blowing head gaskets at 35 psi in some cases. So that stock setup on the Yaris has delivered in spades.

    • @Christdeliverme
      @Christdeliverme 2 года назад +1

      PSI isn't the problem it's the cylinder pressure.

    • @aSinisterKiid
      @aSinisterKiid 2 года назад

      @@Christdeliverme I didn't say that the psi was the problem. I was using that benchmark as an example of race engines specifically built for handling boost that run into part failure (head gasket) around this same level. If it wasn't the head gasket then it would have been a piston. If it wasn't a piston then it would have been a valve. The point is that it would have been something when you are pushing a stock setup beyond it's intended operating range. And exactly as I said, it is impressive that the head gasket held in as long as it did with those boost levels. But what you said is an illogical statement to make. The amount of boost you shove into the engine is directly proportional to increasing cylinder pressure. Just like increasing the fuel or timing is directly related to your cylinder pressure. It's all tied together with the cylinder, the pressure in the cylinder and that head gasket meant to hold that pressure in. If they weren't shoving a lot of boost into the engine they wouldn't have to worry about blowing a head gasket. But when you start getting up past 30 PSI of boost all mechanics will start lifting heads, blowing gaskets and finding part failures eventually with stock parts.

    • @Christdeliverme
      @Christdeliverme 2 года назад +1

      @@aSinisterKiid but associating boost pressure as a variable essentially makes PSI a vector for failure in your argument. That's why I make mention, since your comment doesn't appear to make any sense if you remove PSI from the original comment.
      Then you went back to then defend boost being proportional to cylinder pressure, but ... The very beginning you state that's not what you were saying. Broski. I believe it is you that is on your back heel trying to justify comments, not I.
      No biggy.

    • @aSinisterKiid
      @aSinisterKiid 2 года назад +1

      @@Christdeliverme Again it is your comment that doesn't make sense. If you remove boost (PSI) from the equation then they wouldn't have had to worry about blowing a head gasket. Which makes boost entirely relevant to blowing the head gasket. Boost is absolutely a reason for failure, just like too much timing, and an incorrect fuel table. Go ahead and shove 80 PSI of boost into your stock block and tell me how that works out for you boss.

  • @domsimonf
    @domsimonf 2 года назад +1

    how that the gr corolla is finally announced for the NA markets, this info is priceless thanks

  • @jamesamalfi9303
    @jamesamalfi9303 2 года назад +58

    Andrew, while you've got the head off you should have a block guard machined to close up that open deck and keep your sleeves from flexing, that's probably why you pushed water, core flex, us honda guys know all too well ;( you're not going to get better than a MLS gasket

    • @MrJermbob
      @MrJermbob 2 года назад +3

      Block guards rattle loose, tops of bores wiggle around. Cant fix without decent sleeves like Honda guys know :D

    • @BodenM
      @BodenM 2 года назад +21

      There's no real signs of bore walk on that gasket, also given just how meaty the cylinder walls are on the G16E (roughly twice as thick as a K series from a quick eyeballing) and how well reinforced the construction of the engine block is I doubt bore walk would ever be an issue on this engine before reaching truly silly power figures.

  • @feelgoodhorizon4084
    @feelgoodhorizon4084 2 года назад +5

    i really really wish we got the gr yaris :< that little thing is so mental. love the gr series here.

  • @marc509mtz4
    @marc509mtz4 2 года назад +2

    As a soon to be gr corolla owner, I applaud you.

  • @nemnut
    @nemnut 2 года назад +34

    Amazing videos, nice to see limits being pushed to see the potential for this little beast

  • @ClaytonYatescarenthusiast
    @ClaytonYatescarenthusiast 2 года назад +15

    There is no weakness to this gr yaris! Literally think about this!! The power per cubic inch is equivalent to my gen 5 lt1 making 1785 hp to the tire haha. It's built and makes 545 to the tire. Yeah I think it's strong. 97 cubic inches sound correct?

    • @ashcosmo3854
      @ashcosmo3854 2 года назад +3

      Engines don't really work like that though. Laws of physics make bigger engines harder and harder to produce more power due to their weight and size. The hard reality is you're being sold less and less engine for MORE money

  • @totalvet
    @totalvet 2 года назад +1

    Love the details provided on this mighty little engine. Small turbo engine + light car = lots of fun! Makes the old "2L is only for milk" joke very passe!

  • @Korean_Crayon
    @Korean_Crayon 2 года назад +11

    I wanna finance the GR Corolla. If it is reasonably priced, I think I might. I'd have to get good at stick again tho

    • @ericktorres5451
      @ericktorres5451 2 года назад +5

      Getting good at manual isn’t a problem, the price will be. All the god dam dealerships are marking up cars like crazy

    • @giovannimora9134
      @giovannimora9134 2 года назад

      Ima guess around 46k USD who knows after the markups

    • @inactivegamer6965
      @inactivegamer6965 2 года назад +2

      @@giovannimora9134 Florida Toyota seems to not have a mark up, I’m getting the performance trim core

    • @Korean_Crayon
      @Korean_Crayon 2 года назад +1

      @@ericktorres5451 Yea, I feel liek the price will stop me. If that's the case, I'll just get a used Corolla hatch.

    • @ericktorres5451
      @ericktorres5451 2 года назад

      @@inactivegamer6965 the dealership I work at marks uo like 10 grand lmao

  • @StatiXonfirE
    @StatiXonfirE 2 года назад +8

    My GT-R Hub first edition showed up this afternoon!!! Amazing work Andrew and colleagues! Thank you

  • @Levibetz
    @Levibetz 2 года назад +7

    I watched an HP Academy video on rallycross prepping a 4g63, and they said they managed to make the 4g63 live with some head/block deflection by using two headgaskets. What about tossing a second one on top with some sealant. This would double the distance it can flex when the head deflects, and then a sealant like maybe aviation form a gasket might help the seal.

    • @StabyMcStabsFace
      @StabyMcStabsFace 2 года назад +3

      That was two headgaskets with a deck plate between. The deckplate was the fix, not the gaskets.

  • @lynnmckenney1987
    @lynnmckenney1987 2 года назад +33

    I REALLY wish we got these in the US.

    • @MatthewKrebs_BlackBrave8
      @MatthewKrebs_BlackBrave8 2 года назад +14

      We might in the GR Corolla

    • @nerd4049
      @nerd4049 2 года назад +12

      The gr corolla is gonna be revealed today, so we'll see if it comes with the same engine and powertrain

    • @lovejoyb20
      @lovejoyb20 2 года назад +13

      @@nerd4049 Same engine, higher stock HP. Awesome to see something so battle tested.

    • @NayaA-Ri
      @NayaA-Ri 2 года назад +1

      COROLLA GR fit US Market because GR Yaris is to small 😅😅✌✌

    • @juxebeats5439
      @juxebeats5439 2 года назад

      I’m very happy today

  • @lynel1985
    @lynel1985 Год назад

    the g13b swift gti engine in the 90s was also a floating cylinder design. cylinder walk at hi rpm and especially when boosted was a real concern. amazed this doesnt suffer the same fault.

  • @A4ANT
    @A4ANT 2 года назад +1

    Seem to see this issue on early FK2 Type R K20C1
    Open block design ( more economical engine due to cooling) means more pressure on head. Few people have had head gasket failure possibly due to them being remapped etc. Believe an uprated head gasket is a new upgrade for owners

  • @URBANAMERICANTAC
    @URBANAMERICANTAC 6 месяцев назад

    I’m with you. I love that little 3 banger but I really would have loved to see them innovate on a little 2.2 4cyl. That thing would be a ripper for sure

  • @WASDxMerceless
    @WASDxMerceless 2 года назад

    It's a floating deck motor on boost. Those cylinder walls are flexing and moving about under full cylinder pressure and will open up the head gasket over time. Same thing happened to the focus rs motors. Gotta close them decks up. Get some spacers machined and pressed into the coolant jacket, even look into grouting the block to help the bottom of the walls from flexing.

  • @bobkin611
    @bobkin611 2 года назад +1

    So basically the motor and car handles the 500hp fine. Just the headgasket gave out. Thats crazy.

  • @workingmanaudio2754
    @workingmanaudio2754 2 года назад +2

    They’re bolts. Studs may help to reduce the head gasket failure.

    • @MotiveVideo
      @MotiveVideo  2 года назад +2

      We know. Force of habbit to say studs from RB life

  • @alistairmacgregor1456
    @alistairmacgregor1456 2 года назад

    APR studs, metal head gasket, flat faced valves, port polish the head, 3 angle valve job, upgrade valve stem seals, big cams, leave the rest and put 660cc injectors and a meaty garret turbo, replace ECU with AEM ecu to be honest I would get a rotrex supercharger build and remove the turbo

  • @t16incho
    @t16incho 2 года назад +4

    The best GR Yaris video series on RUclips, keep pushing!

  • @kcspeed9980
    @kcspeed9980 2 года назад +3

    Great series to watch. I can’t wait for this engine to come to the states in the gr Corolla.

  • @setoman1
    @setoman1 2 года назад

    That's actually hilarious. I see a lot of comparisons drawn between WRX and Yaris. That's one more thing we can check off the list.

  • @dannythomas7902
    @dannythomas7902 2 года назад +2

    I had 2.2 celica ran 16lbs through it for 5 years in 2001 and it only broke because Watergate jambed, 768 ft LBs torque, toy can be indestructible sometimes

  • @josefgordon7712
    @josefgordon7712 2 года назад +1

    So dewy eyed over the prospect of the GR Corolla coming soon. This gives me peace of mind for "just" wanting to get 300whp.

    • @willyjimmy8881
      @willyjimmy8881 2 года назад

      Lol you about to be seriously disapointed

    • @josefgordon7712
      @josefgordon7712 2 года назад

      @@willyjimmy8881 seeing as how the GR Corolla is making 300 crank HP I'm more than happy actually.

  • @ruikazane5123
    @ruikazane5123 2 года назад +1

    The split block design reminds me of sport/supersport motorcycles. The open deck could still be reinforced with a CSS or an entirely billet block set (yes, both halves) if there is reason to worry about bore "walk". Those are head BOLTS! Studs would work better of course and without wearing out the block threads for those. Thick cylinder walls - would be surprised how ringing the block and using a copper gasket would work!
    (and rally regulations do limit power to about 400 horsepower or so? Then that's perfect as it is for the "intended" purpose so no complaints to say)

  • @zokusharuuku1091
    @zokusharuuku1091 2 года назад

    I’m imagining a bored out sleeved version of this with a fire ring gasket and forged pistons and a massive turbo😍

  • @kaloyancholakov3725
    @kaloyancholakov3725 2 года назад +1

    This video is like overclocking a cpu and pushing it's limits to the max. Fascinating!

    • @barsaf9989
      @barsaf9989 2 года назад

      This has been done since the early 1900's.

  • @TheMostSmokeCrew
    @TheMostSmokeCrew 2 года назад +1

    I agree that I would like to see a performance 2+ liter 4 cylinder turbo engine built by Toyota. The 4 cylinder would make more power and cost more for higher tolerances. They already have the 2 liter turbo Supra motor and it doesn't make much better power than the GR Yaris 3 cylinder. A new 4 cylinder in the GR Corolla might not make it an effective sale for Toyota's current market. They might drop different editions of the new Corolla though.

  • @micahlovejoy81
    @micahlovejoy81 2 года назад +1

    This is a engineering feat by Toyota. The aftermarket for this engine is going to be insane.

  • @antonisp6629
    @antonisp6629 2 года назад +22

    Great video and technical analysis. Looking for the "why" is often overseen.
    Imagine if toyota put 2 of these engines together for a 3.2 V6 twin turbo... pssssssh

    • @wax333
      @wax333 2 года назад +2

      Land cruiser 300 series v6 hmm 🤨

    • @regno78
      @regno78 2 года назад +9

      Two inline=New engine for supra

    • @antonisp6629
      @antonisp6629 2 года назад

      @@regno78 ahhhhh yesssss

    • @antonisp6629
      @antonisp6629 2 года назад

      @@wax333 that would be really really interesting

    • @santosj2274
      @santosj2274 2 года назад +3

      Or 4 of these for 6.4L V12 quad turbo

  • @1magnit
    @1magnit 2 года назад +1

    When you take it apart, it's the reverse of building it. Therefore you figure out a way to check the torque of each head bolt and work out how many are loose and how much they are loose by. That's before you undo any of them.

    • @MotiveVideo
      @MotiveVideo  2 года назад +14

      We did. none were out of spec

    • @1magnit
      @1magnit 2 года назад

      @@MotiveVideo You probably did it wrong? What method did you use?

    • @notaboutit3565
      @notaboutit3565 2 года назад

      @@1magnit bruh lmaooo

  • @brendanrandle
    @brendanrandle 2 года назад +5

    as far as weak links go a head gasket is far from the worst to have

  • @EricFixalot
    @EricFixalot 2 года назад +2

    Most head gaskets fail due to a loss in clamping pressure. I think those head bolts being loose was the key. If it were my engine, I’d look into either studding it instead of head bolts or I’d look into enlarging the head bolts. However I do believe Subaru had an issue with the coating on their head gaskets which was then solved by Mahle.

    • @mdev8846
      @mdev8846 2 года назад

      Fel-pro head gaskets is a great option too !

    • @davedree
      @davedree 2 года назад

      Exactly Eric, but I don't think head bolts were loose, it's just the cylinder pressures are so high that the head is lifting off the block. Now studding can help keep this effect in control, I do it on my YB, but you also run the risk of cracking the block or head during the expansion rates and vibrations from the cylinder pressures and thermal build ups and cool downs. And studding isn't maintenance free you need to always retorque now and then. As you also point out the material of the gasket is key, Mls gaskets are Stronger but the most important aspect is the finishing cut of the block and head and also the material on the mating gasket face for each.

  • @elihernandez330
    @elihernandez330 2 года назад +1

    I'm not that surprised a 3 cyl made this much stock power but it's got to be the sturdiest open deck design I've ever seen unlike those bad ford ecoboost designed inline engines which are just bad.

    • @barsaf9989
      @barsaf9989 2 года назад

      How. They made 450+ hp lol

  • @lennyinne
    @lennyinne 2 года назад

    Try using Evans waterless coolant. From what I understand it does not pressurize like traditional coolant/water.

  • @caribbeangtr8077
    @caribbeangtr8077 2 года назад

    This is a fantastic purpose-built car that will satisfy anyone who wants a quick factory car, but honestly, I wish it had the best 1600 engine in existence, the 4AGE 20V with almost infinite proven support up to a 2 liter and 1000 HP.

  • @sr20dago
    @sr20dago 2 года назад

    I'm glad someone acknowledged the SR20VE

  • @SB-vb8ch
    @SB-vb8ch 2 года назад +3

    Water "wearing" through? Combustion gasses making their way through is most likely the culprit. The head bolts will be stretch type so more torque won't give you anymore clamping force. Either more clamping force or a wire ringed gasket face to give localised clamp on the gasket & stop it moving around. It's just a wire ring so can be any shape. Basic old school stuff really.

    • @sigmaprojects
      @sigmaprojects 2 года назад

      Glad someone else realized wire rings can be any shape.

  • @captainplanet43
    @captainplanet43 2 года назад +4

    I wish that toyota would stick two of those engines together and put it in the Supra

  • @duddsification
    @duddsification 2 года назад +4

    Toyota should put two together 3.2 stright 6 perfect for the supra

  • @trevorsgaragemusings
    @trevorsgaragemusings 2 года назад

    What about CNC machine a solid copper plate gasket? Combine that with a bit more torque on the head studs should do the trick.

  • @andgate2000
    @andgate2000 2 года назад +1

    Depends how long you want it to last. 5sec or 50 years.

  • @Senji-ki
    @Senji-ki 2 года назад +1

    Not me thinking in the thumbnail Gary vee was gonna show me how to push a yaris to its limits 😅

  • @NatedoggZombies
    @NatedoggZombies 2 года назад +2

    That Mx-5 run though

  • @familypokemon4736
    @familypokemon4736 2 года назад +1

    Like he said “4 cylinder, 2.0!” New Celica GR-4 PLEASE! Give 400z a competitor! 🔥

    • @Mandor621
      @Mandor621 2 года назад

      Or maybe GR Celica 4 , i think it's also fit

  • @billyjoe3309
    @billyjoe3309 2 года назад +1

    10 seconds in to the video. I'm subbed. I love 3 pots!

  • @avancalledrupert5130
    @avancalledrupert5130 2 года назад

    I never thought I'd ever do the finance thing . But for a gr Yaris I might. But 18 months waiting list.
    There £7k more than new second hand .

  • @robertroccii7117
    @robertroccii7117 2 года назад +1

    So it´s a phantastic little Engine. Only the Gasket can´t handle too much Pressure or Horspower. My thoughts are that 350HP are more than enough for this tiny little car. You can have surely a lot of Fun with 350HP.

    • @Jake_Hamlin
      @Jake_Hamlin 2 года назад

      350kw. Could be the studs not the gasket

    • @ausgunroy1687
      @ausgunroy1687 2 года назад

      It's actually 485hp at the hubs. Power figures were in KW, that is a huge figure for a 1.6L 3cyl.

    • @liamjohnson8497
      @liamjohnson8497 2 года назад

      350kw not hp. 350kw = 470hp.
      For reference, imagine if they somehow made a 3.2 v6 that could make 700kw/940hp or there abouts unopened
      😳

    • @Jake_Hamlin
      @Jake_Hamlin 2 года назад

      @@liamjohnson8497 j series will do that for probably the amount of runs they did. Not reliably but 10-20 passes down the strip..

  • @sasquatchfoote8235
    @sasquatchfoote8235 2 года назад

    Throw the head bolt get or make a Stud kit and O ring the block with piano wire. Conrod bearings will be next problem.

  • @HHCHunterYTC
    @HHCHunterYTC 2 года назад +2

    New yaris vid just dropped. POGCHAMP

  • @newell418
    @newell418 2 года назад

    This is ridiculous! Boys I'm hooked! Getting the new GR Corrola!! Pummmmmped

  • @rodbrown8306
    @rodbrown8306 Год назад

    These video's are so informative,...thanks for the effort. Yeah just a gasket weakness exposed under pressure, great info for Toyota. Great work. Any chance of a stroker? 2.2lt /4cly yes.

  • @brito9817
    @brito9817 2 года назад +2

    Só basically, it's one hell of a good racing category engine. Well done Toyota.

  • @mammothpenguin2739
    @mammothpenguin2739 2 года назад

    He unintentionally challenged aftermarket gasket manufacturing companies to build one to with stand the power. This will be awesome fingers crossed

  • @davothegreat9990
    @davothegreat9990 2 года назад +5

    How much can the stock clutch and gearbox handle?

  • @KorruptAbyss
    @KorruptAbyss 2 года назад +1

    I’d love to see what one of these engines in an mr2 spider would do

  • @capnthepeafarmer
    @capnthepeafarmer 2 года назад

    This is great assessment of what's happened in the engine. Thanks for showing it off!

  • @Mortalomena
    @Mortalomena 2 года назад +1

    I dont think the power per se is the problem, its what boost/exhaust pressures you have been running?

  • @creed2409
    @creed2409 2 года назад

    Theres lots of company's that laser cut sheet material who only need a template or design file. Have one cut from a single piece of copper or stainless sheet. Just an idea.
    I have a motorbike at home that has a solid copper cylinder head.

  • @marionsanpedro277
    @marionsanpedro277 2 года назад

    Why would you put a more agressive cam that will just unecessarily increase the torque band higher up the rev range and in turn kill low/mid rpm torque and throttle response VS. stock cams? ...not to mention street/idle drivability, etc...
    Given your data, most probably you need the reverse! You will end up lowering your boost and power levels to say 350-380ish whp? Just to lengthen your head gasket change interval and wait for aftermarket options, right?
    In short, you need to lower the power and just stick to the stock cams for the moment.
    Anyways, this will be a good series. All bets are in on when the next video will be on another blown headgasket episode.
    380whp - 2years
    430whp - 2months
    480whp - 2weeks! 😁
    Cheers!

  • @rubbermoetroken
    @rubbermoetroken 2 года назад

    Being a Petroltechhead I simply love these kind of vids!
    I would opt for bigger bore headstuds, rework on the head incl the fire rings, steel gaskets, however, only after checking the lower end of the engine can hold/cope with the added constant pressure of the higher head tensioning forces (out of roundness of cylinder linings after torqueing a torque plate -been there done that with Subaru boxer engines). Subscribed!

  • @lukewalker1051
    @lukewalker1051 2 года назад +4

    I wouldn't buy a GR Yaris for the simple reason that it ends up being more cylinder pressure due to only 3 cylinders versus 4 cylinders for a target hp. Even with stock 300 hp that is way more cylinder pressure than a stock 306hp Type R Honda motor, latter with known racing pedigree. A 300hp Yaris would be like a 600 hp 6cyl or 800 hp 8 cyl. Yes, more is possible but there is a reason production cars...lets pick one, a stock C8 Corvette only has 500 hp out of 8 cyl's...much lower cylinder pressure for greater longevity. Cylinder pressure taxes everything from block to pistons to crankshaft to piston rods.
    Yes, a 3 cylinder motor does lower weight and improve vehicle weight distribution for handling but the average enthusiast will prefer reliability if turning up the boost which many will consider for more performance. Safety in numbers...no different than a NA 6 cylinder engine having greater longevity than turbo 4.

    • @jalanihidup6119
      @jalanihidup6119 2 года назад +1

      Are you doubting a TOYOTA durability??? It doesn't make any sense

    • @archie_bunker
      @archie_bunker 2 года назад

      I've owned 4 toyotas 2 Tacomas, 2002 echo and one 2018 yaris with not one issues. I will always stick with Toyota

    • @archie_bunker
      @archie_bunker 2 года назад

      @@jalanihidup6119 Toyota is the only manufacturer I will ever purchase from again l. Hopefully it will be the new gr carolla :)

    • @davedree
      @davedree 2 года назад

      @@jalanihidup6119
      D4D yes bore wash and cylinder blowby.

  • @fordyford
    @fordyford 2 года назад

    362kw, 3cyl 1.6L. The power levels are nuts for the capacity on an unopened production engine. Toyota will provide parts over engineered to be reliable for the factory levels and then some..... not this much some.
    Being fairly unknown where the limits of factory parts are it's done well ro get there and stay there for what you have put it through.

  • @igoiks
    @igoiks 2 года назад +1

    I think close decking will help fix these issues

  • @slightlyinsaneraf
    @slightlyinsaneraf 2 года назад

    Almost 500HP on a stock unopened engine from a 1.6L i3 is honestly down right ridiculous. Toyota did their homework and did it right this time, crazy overengineered engine, the block reminds me of 4G63 but taken even further. Im honestly amazed, cant wait to get my hands on the GR Yaris one day
    Just imagine if Supra had an engine designed by Toyota, the new JZ, even if they just connected 2 of these together. Jesus

  • @Micah_Makes
    @Micah_Makes 2 года назад +3

    Non-circular crush rings are common with MLS. I'm serious about getting some actual studs made for the GR.

    • @RamosRev
      @RamosRev 2 года назад +1

      Let me know if you do Micah.

  • @SavetheRepublic
    @SavetheRepublic 2 года назад

    This reminds me of the good ol' days of the IDRC when guys were pushing Honda engines to their limits.

  • @Andrew260RS
    @Andrew260RS 2 года назад +6

    Awesome video. I am wondering if the limiting factor is the open deck design of the block. It's a shame Toyota went with a open deck as that might be a limiting factor.
    Comparing it to something like a EJ25. It has slightly thicker walls just from visuals. The EJ25's open deck block are infamous for moving around hence why there is kits to convert your open deck block to a closed deck block. However, they move around under the power your are making. You are making some serious power out of a 3 cylinder and wondering if simply your bores are moving causing the head gasket to fail.

    • @Low760
      @Low760 2 года назад

      In five years time people will be over these cars like other fwd things

    • @HL-hw6qp
      @HL-hw6qp 2 года назад +4

      @@Low760 it’s AWD.

    • @Andrew260RS
      @Andrew260RS 2 года назад +1

      @@Low760 doubt it seeing this engine is going in all GR line up. I wouldn’t be surprised if this engine goes into the 86 in a couple of years.

    • @khamid1
      @khamid1 2 года назад

      @@Andrew260RS ae86 swap has already been done

    • @Andrew260RS
      @Andrew260RS 2 года назад

      @@khamid1 Not talking about engine swaps. Toyota is confirmed the engine in the Yaris is going in the future GR Corolla. Rumours are it may go into the 86 down the line.

  • @guillaumesandmayer7053
    @guillaumesandmayer7053 Год назад

    I'm going to hedge my bets that build as he mentioned is all about the final frontier - as in what is possible and what is not. Back to reality for most folks. 350hp at the crank with breathing mods, perhaps a small upgrade Bolt-on HKS GT integrated snail. You'd be pressed to ask for more really on the street, it would be peeling a real world 4sec 0-100kmh time if you launched it hard on a dry day in your undies

  • @vwrxlasvegas
    @vwrxlasvegas 2 года назад

    Replace it with better head gasket and head studs. Replace turbo with supercharger and increase boost a little higher to compensate lost hp with supercharger. Then u have a bad ass reliable 3 cyl!

  • @BNLoken
    @BNLoken 2 года назад +2

    Imagine if Toyota just doubled this engine to get the 6 cylinder Supra engines. Would have been better than the b58 imo

  • @Looking4TravelingWelderJob
    @Looking4TravelingWelderJob 2 года назад +1

    I bet this is supposed to be legends like the last gen of the supras Inline.

  • @zokusharuuku1091
    @zokusharuuku1091 2 года назад +1

    So let’s say you run a much larger turbo at 35psi would you still have this head gasket issue? Would it be possible to tighten the factory studs down more to help prevent this?

  • @ben7020
    @ben7020 2 года назад

    You mabe be able to test or calculate when the head bolts plastic stretch, then u have a reference on how much harder to pull the head down if any.
    Bmw often torque to plastic stage fyi :) 🍻

  • @Ingmar72
    @Ingmar72 Год назад

    I would like to ask you guys if you ever considered use a water-methanol-injection? As far as I know, this is ideal for a high performance turbo engine to keep it cool and clean

  • @mr.a5147
    @mr.a5147 2 года назад +2

    Don't know about the 4 cyl, but I'll take a Toyota 3.2l I6 capable of 700kw in the next Supra...

  • @g60force
    @g60force 2 года назад

    i don’t know much about cars but it the final part of the video you said (sorta) by all this excessive heat and cooling down, rinse / repeat… I then realised, did you perhaps have to retorque the headbolts / check if they are still up to spec… and yes you already suggested given them a bit more then factory but you didn’t do that right?

  • @HelmutEder
    @HelmutEder 2 года назад +1

    A normal Ruler is not suitable for measuring Flatness. Use a Hairline Ruler instead.

  • @rondoschiavoni8840
    @rondoschiavoni8840 2 года назад

    I say you are right about the in line 4 cylinder

  • @MrWilliam.Stewart
    @MrWilliam.Stewart 2 года назад +1

    Reckon I could push the engines around 50 Metres, across a hard floor, after that, would need a beer.