Should You Mist During Fruiting?
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I'm new at this but recently had a somewhat successful yield of PE using a modified tub. I live in NC and this summer after harvesting that tub i buried the cake outside in a shady natural area and covered with a light layer of pine straw that was already there. To my surprise, I ended up getting HUGE shrooms (nothing like what i got growing inside) and descent yields 3-4 times with the same cake. I ended up doing this a number of times this summer with different strains with the same great results. As mentioned, the cake was lightly covered in pine straw but exposed to open air 24/7 with humidity being whatever mother nature provided and light watering when needed. There is so much out there in regards to proper air exchange, co2, misting, humidity etc, but I had little to know control over the environment and had much better results. Got me thinking, these things go naturally in the wild, in open air so why do we put the lids back on our tubs and starve them of the oxygen? Maybe a light constant air flow through the tub instead of only fanning 2-3 time a day would yield similar results? Curious to what your thoughts are as to why I had so much better success outside as compared to inside?
I have been thinking about this myself.
I'm from NC also what time of year did you spawn your cakes outside? Spring summer fall? I'm on the coast.
Boone NC is practically a rainforest .. perfect conditions up there on them thar mountains
I once tried to colonize a grain jar sealed with only a micropore tape for air exchange and what happened was the growth stalled after 20% colonization stopped for a whole week sk I opened it to let the air out and let the lid covering but not sealing and 3 days later it was fully colonized.
@@dadz6364 sounds like cobweb mold lol
Thank you so much for posting this buddy it's nice to see some of the good stuff
Looking forward to seeing your fruiting videos! Thank You for your dedication to mycology! I am a novice, and have learned alot from your content.
This came at the perfect time for me! Tons and tons of little pins but only a few growing to a decent size. Thanks so much!
Happy to hear that! 😊
I don't have a patreon so glad you're posting some older stuff from there, may change my mind about creating one.
All the free fruiting videos on there do not even require an account to view :) almost 40 free vids on there now!
My golden teachers are pinning now!! Thank you for your video.
I subbed
Thank you! I thought they looked a little dry so your suggestion worked great!!!
I’m already missing your videos on Patreon!
What up sage, thanks for the info bro. 🍄❤️
I actually just put some maz to agar yesterday, nice to hear something about them. 👍
When I was first starting out my monotub were drying out and kinda turning blue. I started spraying right on top of the substrate. Been going good ever since.
Nice to see you!
Thanks again for the vid.
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This is what i figured/hoped was going on. Heavy pinset, 95+ humidity yet it looks dry every time i take the top of for fae. Every 6-8 hours. My casing doesnt look dry, just dont have that glistening of water droplets across the top.
My worry was that if i continue to mist, more pins will form. I dont want too many pins to form that they abort and I get a lot less fruit.
i just had this exact question pop into my head just days ago
Great stuff!
I finally have fruit on my first 3 tubs of pan cyans. I see so many different opinions on surface conditions its been hard for me to pick what advice to take. I think my first flush was very small because of surface conditions being not up to par.
Thank you, I feel as if this vid was directed at me. I asked you about neglect, and I still haven't misted my shoeboxes (same as yours). They are 100% colonized and have been s2b for a few days. I can still see tons of condensation and humidity inside the boxes and water droplets. Humidity in my house is sitting at like 65-69% because my a/c sucks.
So after you mix the rice and substrate, do you keep it shut until it’s fully colonized then spray it everyday or just spray the walls because mine looks dry on top
I need some advice - When I assumed my tub of phallus jealous was fully colonized (12 days from bulk), I put it into fruiting conditions. I wasn't seeing any pins but I was also not seeing much change after about day 9, so I decided to go to the next stage.
I am only 5 days into fruiting, and I know I shouldn't expect any pins yet but the mycelium is now "colonizing" the casing layer. I don't know what to make of this. Normal? Is this a sign that it wasn't fully colonized and not ready for fruiting? Should I just chill and let the process play out?
What I do is have tubs inside a bigger tub and I’ll most the outer shoebox a bit during fruiting keeping good humidity up
yeah a tub-in-tub setup works great for keeping humidity, but I don't like to use it because to me it ruins one of the main benefits of using a shoebox, which is form factor. To circumvent this, I now simply apply a proper casing layer and it has been working extremely well.
could you just increase the coir to substrate ratio to make give the mycelium access to more water?
You say its important to maintain good surface conditions, and that the substrate needs a lot of water, but I feel like you didn't answer "Should you mist during fruiting". I've heard some people say they don't mist the substrate directly fearing aborts may happen.
I mist throughout the entire fruiting process .. once sub is 100 percent colonized I mist with a fine mister all the way through to harvest... iv never had a problem with aborts
Just mist and then fan to help evaporation thus keeping your humidity up
Do you leave lids on at this stage or take them off?
I had an idea suddenly, what if you drilled a hole on a bottom corner of the tub, put either a injection or or sealant in it. Then you can put the needles into that, and not even have to that the needle in and out, that way you can use the luer lock to your advantage over n over and not be introducing contaminants?
I always mist the sides that are shrinking until the gap is full .
I never thought of a syringe.
I just mist real close to the wall .
I've learned a lot from you. Thanks for the education
I recommend just misting the substrate top, avoid misting the sides as it will encourage side pins. Thank you 😊
Have this going strong but maybe stalling. Stalled in bag, moved to tub with perlite and sitting on top of foil. Perlite is wet, humidity and temperature is great. Spray twice daily but appears dry. Guess I need to mist heavier or add water to Perlite again? Any ideas anyone
Since they're about 98% water, would it work to weigh the harvest and then add back in the same weight in water? Or thereabouts?
What do you mean by "Multispore", innoculatiing same grain spawn with multiple strains?
I feel like you gave some incredibly great advice, of course you need halfway decent genetic but by adding water like you explained you can make sure the mycelium produces as many mushrooms as it's capable of. I'll make sure to do this, thanks.
Thank you 😊
i do have a max yield bin and i do have nice condensation on top and sides with micropose filters. Pins look decent.
Should i leave it alone? Thank you for your service
If it looks like how I say it should look in this video, you will be fine:
ruclips.net/video/7HbHcI511ks/видео.html
Always right on time 😁👌🚬🗿🤟
Brother help..i thought my grain spawn was bad, but threw it garden anyways, only 5 days later and there are pins everywhere, but they dont look strong, the myselium (?) couldnt be that deep, could i transplant them to a tub inside with the proper substrate? Is there enough food in the dirt for them to fully fruit? thanks
Best advice is to let them fruit where they are. You can add some coir over them to keep moisture. But you risk contamination big time trying that. Trichoderma actually lives in most soils.
Question,I'm useing a liner,I have condensation buildup between liner and tub,do I need to drain that out,or can I leave it?
If it’s pooling it wouldn’t hurt to.
When you water like this, after the first flush is complete do you continue to get mushroom growth as random mushrooms or a clear obvious 2nd flush? And do you dunk these between flushes when watering this way?
Depends on genetics and harvesting methods, I like to harvest the first flush at once, even if some mushrooms are not fully mature. This way I get a more uniform second flush.
I don’t dunk, I simulate rain through heavy misting. Also cuts back on side pins this way as you don’t get much water down the sides, I cover it in detail in this video:
ruclips.net/video/MmVxBm6SxMQ/видео.html
how much water is too much though ?:)
I need some help , I got a all in one grow bag, from wonderbags, the first few days I can see it was staring to get while, however a few go by and I didn't really see changes so I broke the brick up and put it back, I've seen people do that, could just get a small tub without wholes and pack my stuff ? Mist it and all that as I go? Keep it in the dark than once it's super white I guess put a light above it ? 😅?
They take 2 weeks or more to colonize the grain just wait
Hell yeahhh
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@MycoSage I don't understand Colorado decriminalized. Mushrooms, why can't you teach people how to do it safely? I love your content and I wanted to ask you. Have you ever tried growing mushrooms in animal feed corn? I tried last year and it's Did really well the only way I'm growing them now. It work, so good.
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Should golden teacher's be black inside when they are small say 2cm height ?i got sum that seem to have stopped growing and they look dark inside and a dark cap ?
Yes they’re aborts
Can you must before the first flush if growth may have stalled due to not enough substrate in my ratio?
Ratio is most likely not the reason why it stalled. It doesn’t make much sense. There’s a ton of other possible factors though. Yes you can.
Definitely needed to see this since I got my first pins. Doing gods work Sage! Are you Canadian?
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After I harvest and I pour water between my liner and the substrate how long should I leave it there before dumping it out?
I know with dunking they say 6-24 hours but your method I don't know but still water can attract bacteria. How are you growing what Tek?
@@becky2235 I submergeed the cake for 20 hours
Great ! Thanks ! And I suppose that these operations are even more necessary during the subsequent flushes?
Really only after the first flush (and a little after the second) as subsequent flushes will be much smaller, AKA less mushrooms=less water out of the sub.
@@MycoSage Thanks ! 👍
Im in 7 days of bulk colonation GT bin. If contam was going to show up during colonation how quick would you know ?
Really depends. Almost instant to a few weeks in.
How do you get so many pins? Do you use a heat mat?
Never. In short, forget about heat mats.
Until now, I have bought ready-made growing kits from online fats. I have always had success (I see that in these compliments there is perlite on the bottom, a middle layer of rye grain, and vermiculite on top! I want to grow in the same box, I have a filter bag. I recently took a print .Please advise .I want to make jars and add in a box with coir and vermiculite
Where did you get it? You live outside usa?
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Is it necessary to mist if you have a humidifier type thing/automated mono tub?
I thought automation would be cool but I'm now thinking doing it myself is best. I can see when to mist, and can see when to stop to maintain ideal conditions. I can give fae, then mist to glisten. An automated system can't look at surface conditions to be able to tell when ideal conditions are met.
Surface conditions are not necessarily represented by humidity levels. My humidity is always 95% except when fae is introduced, but then jumps right back up. I still mist when surface conditions look dry(aka when there is no glistening) I actually ended up never using the humidifier. It never turned on.
But if I didn't mist, and just went off the humidifier, ideal surface conditions would never have been met, so I'm thinking it wouldn't work. (Idk because I went for surface conditions).
The humidifier is if humidity is constantly dropping or really low, misting gets those droplets on top. If your humidifier is maintaining droplets on top, but also allowing those droplets to evaporate/ get absorbed. Then yeah, it will. But I think in this case it's easier to do it yourself.
I think it's very important to have high humidity, but also have that process of glistening beads till gone, wait a little, then make glisten again and repeat.
Basically you won't be able to tell until you do it. There is no "set it like this and forget it" imo. If there is, it'll take a lot of work to figure out for your location.
Your gonna have to constantly watch it till and change it till the automation is doing what you want. But you won't be able to have sensors tell you that, it's your eyes.
If you can get it to reach ideal surface conditions, then allow that to evaporation, then ideal surface conditions again. Then yes it will work. But I think it's a lot easier to do it yourself.
If conditions change, you can change your habits, with automation, youd have to redial it. Which is way to much trouble. Imo.
@@harshmoor2280 thank you for the info💯
Do you have to sanitize your spray bottle?
No unless it’s really dirty for whatever reason
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Do u use distilled water to mist or tap water
Tap water. If your tap water is hard, then distilled is the way to go.
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I’ve read that misting pins will lead them to abort 😢 is this true ?
this has been my problem as a beginner, i get huge pin sets and they drain all the water out of the cake causing a lot of aborts and cake bruising, I now have a couple of large syringes to directly inject the cake
I recommend just heavy misting :)
@@MycoSage Thanks, I hate opening the tubs but I will to mist them
Hallelujer 🙏
Why would it last longer if there's more pins? It logically makes no sense. Mushrooms are about 90% moisture, so if you consider that these pins are growing mushrooms they are sucking up water to grow.
Yes and no, you are right, and I also mention this point in the video (aka that bigger pinset=more water needed). When they are still pins as shown in the video, yes they will require more water than a tub with a sparser pinset. However, once the pins start to mature more, they will maintain a better microclimate than the tub with a sparser pinset. Thus, they will be much less likely to dry out than the sparse tub.
And as long as your grow is dialed in properly, you should not need to mist at all. The reason I need to mist a lot is because shoeboxes are not neglectable in my environment, the rH is too low and I leave my window + circulator on, leading to greater evaporation. But in most cases, up till the first flush misting should not be necessary.
I don’t know if it’s unique to Cambodian, or Asian cubensis varieties in general, but every time I grow these they absolutely devour water.
Cubes are big mushrooms so they certainly do require far more water than say pans or tamps
had cambodians and mobys in one bulk sub after thinking spawn colonization had failed it has colonised 70% in 2 days. im not sure whats going to grow but the grainspawn dried out near enough.
no visible mycelium.. the bouncback is incredible since adding it to bulk.
I've never misted after pinning because I was always under the assumption water sitting on them led to aborts. I'll have to try this
You are not wrong.. be careful with random advice
So water and mist alot?
If necessary.
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Noice
Shrooms loooooooove water.
How do you know what's in your multi-sports when multi-sports are made up of multiple species
I don't believe they're made up of different species. Just different genetics. Where liquid culture or agar wedges are actually a clone of one specific fungi or mycelium. Some people believe it makes a difference, they could be correct. I've always grown from spore syringes so idk. I know the spore syringes I made were very close to equal to the ones I bought. Everyone left you hanging for 3 months, so figured I'd try to answer. I'm no mycologyst, but have been playing with fungi for over a decade. Fun fact: when I first started I was growing gt in the basement of a party house. The kids/teens left clothes in the basement that got damp. Before long there was long skinny mushrooms growing everywhere. To look at them, you never would have guessed they were gt.
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