🍄 Temp, Humidity, and Pinning 💜: How to MAXIMIZE Flush! Plus INKBIRD Product Review!
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In this video I dispel some myths and common misunderstandings surrounding temperature and humidity in mycology. I also talk about how these two factors, in addition to FAE (Fresh Air Exchange) all play an important role in producing pins, and how they are all connected. Avoid the pitfalls and misinformation out there surrounding these topics, it is a lot simpler than some make it out to be.
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@@bigtime4794 I wouldn't worry too much about it at all. They will still be very tasty. With that said, I would't go out of my way to cause unnecessary bruising just for the heck of it either!
@@Mycophilia you the man! Thanks.
@mycophilia what is the speacies that f bb tide is? That is so freaking cool looking I need a sample. Yo how can I hit you up? I make $12 an hour so I can’t afford a monthly subscription atm.
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Inkbirds are great I've used them for my reptiles. Congrats on another awesome sponsor 👏. Also I noticed when I switched from air conditioning to heat in the house a lot of my stuff had issues from the change in routine! Also love the look of the live casing layer!
Congrats on the sponsorship! I used an ink bird humidity controller on an Oyster mushroom tent and the controller worked great!
Hey Sage! Love your content bruv! It helps me out alot as a newer grower ❤ 🤟
Thanks man!
Great explanation and thank you for explaining what humidity is necessary in the head space. I'm on my first grow and am starting to pin now. You may have just saved my grow. Thank you!
Thank you so much for the video. I am going to do a live casing with my next grow because your's looks so damn nice!
Hello Sage, I noticed you are answering questions on this vid so here is a comment and question. I’m new at this. So, in reading, I took the temp and humidity constraints to heart. My background is measurement and control so of course I decided to automate. Purchased a heat mat, reptile fogger and an Inkbird controller. The temps here are running cold this time of year and the house is run around 62, so thought I needed to heat things up a bit.
I purchased BRF jars and liquid injectables, and got the jars to colonize. After birthing I put them in the bin on a pearlite base and learned pretty quick that the fogger was way overkill, the inside was soaking, and that the Rh sensor/controller was not much use in this application. Thanks for explaining the distinction between humidity at the mycelium/air interface vs the atmospheric Rh. And that evaporation is key. Never heard that before.
Question: Once the cakes are birthed is it OK to just leave the lid ajar for FAE? My setup now is an aquarium air pump with a HEPA filter. That said, the inside of the bin is constantly covered in water droplets due to the colder outside temps. (I’m holding 70-74 in the bin).
Last Question: I have some cakes that appear identical to the others, which have pinned, fruited and been harvested, but these cakes don’t pin. They don’t show signs of contamination, appear fully colonized…. Can I induce pinning?
Great content. Thanks
Trust your senses, the best growing advice i got till now ❤❤
All the right stuff! Nice, Sage! Peace
Great explanation with good ideas for memorization.
Great vocal pacing in this video! Much clearer!
Well done. Clear and simple
Thanks Roo!
Wow, The Vapour Density Point thingy...
I posted my notes above (half gibberish)... before even knowing hat it was a measurable thing..
Also, when the tub is unable to send moisture into the room... the tub smells less than good... stale water style.
Hell yeah man! You're my inspiration
Thanks Dude!
I had some shoeboxes that I suspected were contaminated so I put them outside where they experienced lows of mid 40s fahrenheit overnight temperatures and after like two weeks harvested about an ounce dry from each. They were not contaminated but better safe than sorry. Haven't had a frost yet but any day now...
I had the same thing happen to my newly innoculated Uncle Ben rice bags. I accidently left them in cold truck of car for a week in 40 degree range and it grew mycelium as fast as it grows in 70 degree temperature in my closet. I could not believe it happened. I was growing Makilla Gorilla and Squat Knots must love colder temperatures.
@@tedkravos7129 yeah for all the obsession with perfect conditions you can get away with some serious mistreatment and still have success!
@1:03 - I packed my CVG in Food Saver bags and dumped it in the sous vide (stick type in huge pot) and left the bags in there for about 90 minutes at 170f. So far, it's worked okay. I will report if it doesn't The CVG is already to field capacity prior to vac sealing.
How is it going so far
I like when you drop the thermostat and commented on how sturdy it is...good one! 😂
Helpful info as always. Summer vs fall temps and humidity has been a learning experience obviously on temps and moisture but noticed big difference on evaporation levels. They're at the "perfect" temp and humidity but slower process now and more ab**ts. I overcompenstated by spraying due to noted decrease in evaporation and dry look, then got soggy fuzzy feet. Prone to fuzzy feet here. I increased FAE and thats seemed to help. Summertime was my friend. I thought fall would be even better. It's mildly frustrating but of course just enjoying process and learning from it.
Bahahaha!! That was too funny.
Thank you for the education.
Question. If I have a 3lb spawn bag and a 10cc spore syringe. How many cc's are actually necessary to inject into the bag?
What’s the grass doing for the mushies? I don’t understand it!
lol, I’m watching this just after I finished taping on those tiny digital thermometers inside my tubs. Thanks for the info.
Glad I could help :)
Thank you for explaining the humidity. I was wondering about that. I think on my first batch, I used to CCs on injection. Between that and the humidity, they all just aborted as soon as I went into fruting. I have a ton of spawn right now, just trying decide if I want to do a casing and wait for the substrate to colonize or if I just want to do psuedo which means my spawn needs to FULLY colonized. May try both, lol.
Damn, really enjoyed your content.
Thanks!
Dang it I missed it. Love your content
Thank you! This was not premiered so you didn’t miss anything!
Will you be putting a truffle genetic out to the genetics tier members?
So my question is how do you know evaporation is what causes Penning cuz what I was told is you're not supposed to open your tubs until your block pin then you open up your block and then you put a thin layer of substrate on top of the block and then missed when needed fan always and then when you dunk you're supposed to let it recolonize and pin again
He’s just so easy to listen too, smooth voice.
Thank you ✌️
Best tome i really need advices tips to faster grow from pin to fruits
What about using a humidifier inside a martha where the shoeboxes are? Idea is to increase relative humidity to keeo the sub from drying out too fast. First flush of pancyans shrunk my sub a 1/4" off the sides of the box.
Yes some ppl do it like that and it can certainly work.
@@Mycophilia 👍🍄🤍
Instant 👍 as usual
Thanks DOC!
Yo i just ordered some blue oyster liquid culture and some wood substrate for it. Do you know if i can i grow em in a shoobox also or would it have to be a block instead of a mono tub or tent? RUclips videos and Google weren't any help😂
possible but tents are where they shine
First time doing dub tub. With PE. Put to fruiting conditions about 9 days ago, it seems that the bottom tub isn’t maintaining humidity? It doesn’t get the small water droplets on it. I mist the top tub maybe twice a day, but I don’t think I see any pins. Any insight please?
Check out my video “Should you Dubtub?”
PE Thrashers snuck up on me ..
Yoooo. Hi sage. I got the inkbird humidity controller. Not wifi one. Also got the humidifier also. Will watch till end of vid. May be making a purchase if this is any better. Keep up the work.
Thank you so much Ross!
Is this chia on the casing? Ive never seen this.
Is two hours at 15psi good for popcorn grain jars. It’s been about two years since my last grow and I want get back into it again. I go nuts and grow a bunch of tubs for a while then I’ll switch to messing around with ferments for my mini still. I try to combine the hobbies. Works but doesn’t stay active very long But if you drink the blue buggers right after they form. You go deep
Yes
As you know, I have a pretty loose and easy attitude to my stuff..
My Shh Room is using a wifi thermostat which is controlling my central heating.. just in this one tiny little room ..
But the temperature outside the house dropped from 15 degrees c .. to.. 0.. in a day.. and the humidity from the sudden increase in central heating from the radiator went UP..
However, my usual tub temperature went 5 or 7 degrees higher than the room temperature because the humidity in the tub couldn't draw the heat energy out into the rest of the ambient room ...as it was already saturated..
so, the tub temp went up fro, 23 c... to 27.5 C!...
crazy eh?
If you get what I am saying here?
Dry air will draw warm moist air into it, which will cause a drop in heat related energy... if the room humidity is as high as the tub humidity.. it would have that action.
Is 68 to 70 to low for colonization at media level? I could ad a heated blanket under the 66 qt tub. 6 settings so could dial in whats your option
Colder side but much better than a heated blanket.
is it worth it to buy an air purifier and/or humidifier
What's the deal with the sprouts? What is the purpose and what is it?
I spawned b+ in a ponie bag can I use GVC in a tup to spawn or did I mess up
What’s a pony bag?
Where do i look to buy now?
Hi, thank you for your great explanations and video. Question. Relative humidity is the percentage of water that the air COULD hold but not representative of the actual air content. I think a much better indicator would be dew point. So using your eyes, do you have a system to guess the humidity in your mono-tub? Also how do you know how hot your substrate is compared to the surrounding air temp in the mono-tub?
No need to know the humidity of the tub, you just need to make sure the tub’s surface is healthy. And it’s very easy to do that using just your eyes. Check out my video “proper surface conditions for fruiting”, in it I go over how your surface should look
How do you feel about 1:1 ratio for spawn/sub?
Not ideal for yield/flush ratio but fine for just fruiting to find genetics
Nice🎉
Nice
Stupid question but do you put that device inside the tub or next to it? Your room and the inside of the tub are different temperatures and humidities aren’t they?🤔
No. Never put such devices inside tubs, they’re not meant for that. You don’t need to know the exact conditions inside the tub, it’s very much for background info as I say, to keep track of general trends. Use proper techniques in making the tub, and use your eyes to judge the health of it.
@@Mycophiliathanks for replying 💪🏼
Should I mist my mushies and substrate 3 times a day when I fan or is that why my apes are kinda slippery? 😂
Id eye ball it, can usually sense when is too much/ not enough. spray the sides of container opposed to straight on fruits, hope this helps.
Hello so i have to questions: 1 should i use tap water or bottled water ? 2 should i rinse the mushrooms with water after i harvested them or no
I use tap water. It's fine unless you have hard water, then I would go with distilled water (not mineral). You should avoid rinsing them after harvest, you can just cut off the stub with the substrate with a pair of scissors or a knife.
@@Mycophilia Why not mineral water if i may ask ?
What grass seed are you using, and is that to help removed CO2?
White clover, still experimenting with it so I can’t speak yet as to the full benefits. One thing it definitely does help with though is keeping humidity towards the surface.
@@Mycophilia ty, for the response. So do you plant the seeds as pinning begins, or along with the move to bulk substrate? And can you link to the seeds you are using I'd like to experiment as well.
I second the follow up question. Curious myself
is the "What are Coir, Grass, and Poolovers?" vid broken? or no patreon?
Unfortunately Patreon deactivated my account in February. I have since set up a website with all the benefits available on Patreon, and more. Here is the link to the new reference key: mycosage.com/resources/specieskey
What type of plant is it that's growing from the casing layer in your shoe box
All will be revealed in an upcoming video :)
Adding contam with wrist watch?
The friction between movement dropping skin, the big deal is its doing it in your air box
There is no SAB in this video… lol
@@Mycophilia 🤔 okay now im worried about my cognition
@@altaccount2179 anyways, I always do take off my watch when I do sterile work :)
Ha. I have some of those little hygrometers because I keep pipe tobacco and cigars in a homemade humidor. Never used one in a tub. people over complicate everything. Never had a hygrometer in a grow ever. Save your money you don’t need one. My humble opinion🤣
Actually, a humidifier for the PF tech, which is set at 30 minutes lowest humidity setting every two hours throughout the day is quite effective as long as you open your lid once or twice a day to fan fresh air in but that would be with the PF tech not mono tub .
The ooh I'm a genius at 16:34 has strong Beetlejuice vibes 😂
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Hey sage I got a Martha from NS 50% off for 55usd shipped I feel like I stole it lol! Now I have the Martha but I’m going to do my next grow with the shoe box tek! Useing what you have taught me will shoebox tek work in unmodified Martha or should I just leave them in the closet?
they will but the point of a shoebox is that you don't need a tent or anything. I would use the tent for exotic species rather than coir lovers, or some gourmet/medicinals
Ty sage you are probably the best myco available on this platform everyone else is good and I have learned a lot from everyone but your tek is definitely the easiest most efficient way! And you have a decade of knowledge from what I’ve learned you are my Sage thank you so much!
@@MonsterMushhead 🍄 💜 😊 ✌️
jedi mind trick portabellas ive heard it all now, amazing video as per usual
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@@Mycophilia expecting my first shoebox flush in any day now lots of wonderful pins so I thank you for your knowledge
BROTHER YOU OUTDONE YOURSELF THIS TIME❤❤❤
Thank you! 😊
I'd also test the shit out of that device too. For that screen alone. For an older person, that screen is incredible.
100%, the screen is so legible and the contrast clear. E-Ink really is something else
@@Mycophilia I commented before you mentioned the type of screen and for a split second, I thought that was the fake sticker that you hadn't removed. That company can holla at me and I'll show my 600 subs if they send me one. 🤣
I want to buy a thermometer but not sure if I need one for inside the container or one for the air outside of the container. Can anyone let me know ASAP?
My air temp at home is usually 69 to 74 degrees but I’m reading that it needs to be 75 to 81. I bought a tent, a light and a seedling heating mat. Now I want to buy a thermometer. I assume the air in the tent needs to be 75-81 so I should buy a regular thermometer but I see one with a humidity reader also. But the air in the tent won’t be so humid like the container. Any info would be helpful as this is my first time growing.
FYI I’m starting the video now so if my questions are answered in this video I will remove this comment.
I use one that's battery powered and has a small lead that I hang in the top of my tub, has hygrometer and temp
What's growing in the box?
I really want to put this fancy Inkbird in my tent..I wonder if it can handle the moisture
Wouldn’t recommend with this or any other similar hygrometer device, I know Inkbird sells some humidity controllers that can though :)
Hey there where do I sign up for the genetics tier?
patreon.com/mycophilia
The genetics tiers are called “Mycophile Genetics” and “Mycophiliate”. Hope you can make it!
How do you have grass growing in your tubs??
Will eventually make a video on it
@@Mycophilia amazing! I like your work and how you keep it real! Thank you for your videos 🙏🏽
Waiting for those new spots opening 11/1/23. 😁
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Classy Casio!
You weren't BORN when that watch was created?
Yes I was 😊 I love watches, and Casio is god-tier! Thanks 😊
What are those greens? I’m super curious about them!
White clover 😊 ☘️
Do they help provide oxygen?
will be making a video of it in the coming weeks where I'll explain everything @@oOItsDreamzOo
Hay sage I've been watching your channel I started a all in one mushroom grow kit from booming acres anockulated it with albino penis envy live culture September the 21st it just started to pin after 6 weeks does it usually take that long
Definitely on the longer side, but that’s the price of using all in one kits. They take longer.
"You're not a genius", that cracked me up 😂😂😂
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Hey Sage,
V.P.D is Vapour Pressure deficit.
It relates to plants.
Plants transpire via their Stomata. Inside the stomata the R.H is 100%.
The difference in R.H of the stomata and the environmental RH drives the plants ability to transpire. The more they transpire the more water and nutrients they can draw from the rootzone.
This difference between environmental RH and Stomata is know as VPD.
Plants require different VPD at different temperatures and stages of their lives.
Unless mushrooms have stomata, VPD is of no use to the myco grower.
Keep on rocking mate, love the channel and it must be stressfull negotiating YT invisible policies.
All the best
Vapor pressure deficit (VPD) is calculated as the difference between the amount of moisture that's actually in the air and the amount of moisture that air could hold at saturation. VPD is similar to relative humidity, which uses a percentage to describe how much moisture is in the air.
Doesn’t actually calculate anything about plants. Lol
Are the micro greens just for the video?
No, it’s a part of a live casing experiment I am doing. All the vids are on Patreon, once I’ve consolidated my findings I will post a vid here on YT
@@Mycophilia already following on Patreon! Will head over and watch. Also thank you for like helping
@@phunkyknuckles 💜
Hey Sage!
Hey there Romeo!
How do you keep your room at 74°F
Different places have different temperatures.
@@Mycophilia
yes, but isn't it unpleasant to heat your bedroom to 75°F? My bedroom, for example, is just 65°F. I can't grow mushrooms at these temperatures and you shouldn't get the mushrooms to fruit on a heating mat. I'm looking for a solution
No clue if you'll see this bc its a "old" video but i made 20 agar plates using 750ml water with 15g malt extract and 15g agar and every single one contaminated before i even had the chance to clone a mushroom. Can't find answers from Google other than the petri dishes could've come contaminated even tho they said they were sterilized. Just seeing if you would have any ideas other than that.
If this isn't your first time making agar and you haven't had any issues making it this way before, and the only thing that changed is your petri dishes, then yes it sounds like the dishes were not properly sterilized out of the factory.
@@Mycophilia my 1st time making them but I did them in 2 separate batches 1 sleeve of dishes at a time. I had my fan off and my bed over my air vent and had my mouth covered with my shirt. It was weird tho because all the contam was almost a full circle following the edge of the dishes but none was in the center.
I'll try it in a still air box next go and if that doesn't work I might just buy mini Mason jars to insure they get sterilized.
@@ohno...notyou1432 wait, you did it open air?
@@ohno...notyou1432 that is all on you then. You will need to practice sterile technique.
@@Mycophilia ight well that sucks but it's part of the learning curve.
So still airbox should do the trick if everything else is done right?
Hey bud its John Bonacci from NJ I wanted to get in touch with you to see what I can do to get my skills down. I'm working on 5 months with no magic yet lol. I'm very determined but I think I need some help
Hey John, I’m sure I can help you get on your feet! Email me for mentorship details:
mycophilia.official@gmail.com
ok ok wow he just held his watch up 10:46
my time is 10:46
whats the odds of that
Do you keep reptiles?
Nope
I know some of my viewers do though
Bruh... when you showed you showed your watch at 10:46am I looked at my clock and it was 10:46am. Freaky!!!
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And yeah you may get a couple of flushes off of some strains but you're not going to get you know through all eight flushes war with some strange you only get about what five flushes and the second and third ones are the most important ones because that's when you get your most yield
First and second are the most important, not third.
Not really anything to do with strains/varieties but your genetics for any given strain.
Those little black 1 buck hydro / thermo things...
are great to check between known values..
but, they can go crazy..
If you get one too moist.. or literally, just get a drip if water onto the shell..
it can read crazy figures...
which is time to tae note and do some eyeballin
💯 those are pretty unreliable
@@Mycophilia What you said.. use your eyes and be prepared to realise when stuff on the screen.. is clearly wrong!
And another thing is that's not true not all mushrooms will continue to fruit if they're at too high of a temperature there's mushrooms that like are from Mexico in areas like this but a majority of the mushrooms most mushrooms won't what happens is the mycelium starts growing more rapid and in this instant they stop the production of fruiting you might get some strange that you get one or two flushes out but after that they start growing weird like if they have too much CO2 and or soggy not like waterlog but you can tell that there's something going on wrong in there and it's from the Heat see when the mycelium starts growing more rapid that makes the mycelium crate more CO2 from the mycelium eating the substrate and I know this for a fact I've seen this personally matter of fact this last summer I just moved into this apartment and the apartment has no good heat temperature control or anything so the room that I have on my gross stuff in was getting up to 100 110° who knows but it was way up there and yeah I lost several different blocks because of it so you can't sit here and tell me that he doesn't affect the grow because it does and then not just that as the mycelium consumes the substrate it's putting off heat itself so if your room is up to about 100° you better bet your substrate is about 120 130 degrees maybe even more
I lost a bunch of brain cells trying to read this 🤣
Looks like you have alfalfa (or something) contamination in that tub
It’s on purpose! And it’s white clover :)
Casio A168. Dig it.
Aww yeah! Love watches, and Casio is one of my favourite brands! Just bought an A500 World Time!
This one btw is actually the A158
@@Mycophilia ah, indeed it is. I enjoy my G-Shocks and Seikos but good old rough tough “Cheaper” Casios have a spot in my heart like no other.
@@WilliamTomFrank 💯 they’re so much fun 😊 I love Seikos too! I was lucky enough to grab a SARB 017 and a 035 before they were discontinued, just wanted to share that as I’m happy to see another watch lover here!
hey man
Hey!
Gangaangganggang
are all your videos clickbait. yet to see any of what is in the thumbnails.
Why do you think?
Look like feds tring to get attention on other plat forms
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@@Mycophilia your boy geeky is a set up that is the feds look they started don me bc someone ordered a bunch of supplies I didn't order ..and now ..well i habe seen thos build up siggesting this shit thry tell you what to buy so they can charge yoy like the untrqsonfier
What's wrong with manure 😂
Clickbait
Here’s a special hat for you 🧢
Ugghh another promotion for expensive equipment instead of an actual "guide" I like the old content better
Did you watch the first part of the video 🙃 🤣
@Mycophilia yes I watched it all. My opinion still stands. Your older content was much better when it was about passion for cultivation, instead of pushing expensive products so you can make a few more dollars. Its just Constructive criticism brother.
@@Moeron86 You know you don’t have to watch the promotion part, right? You do realize you can skip the part, I left it at the end of the video for a reason. And in the topical part, I said you don’t even need a hygrometer/thermometer. I haven’t deviated from the facts to sell something. Do you have anything against me making a living? You get all the same info as before upfront, for free. I don’t understand your stance at all, and there’s more than a small measure of entitlement in your argument. You are getting free videos from over 10 years of experience, and complaining that that person is getting partly compensated for it.
If you have an issue with it, you are free to leave, it makes no difference to me.
Sage
Just weighing in to say that not only do I not have a problem with you making money (since when was that a sin in America) but that I enjoyed your review of the Inkbird. I use their temp/humidity controller already. Keep it up.