Big changes to Street Fighter 6 days before EVO - Drive Rush Cancel changes explained
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- EVO will be the worlds largest Street Fighter/fighting game tournament of all time, so Capcom has decided this is the perfect time to drop a brand new character and potential meta-changing mechanic modifications!
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Constantly buffering foreward-foreward in neutral to make sure you won't miss a drive rush is just a pain in the back (in the wrist, actually). Capcom just saved my carpal tunnel, this is 100% a good change.
hard agree, my wrist is eternally grateful for this one
Agreed
Agreed
Yupppp
Ironically I don't have that issue but me swiping my thumb to dp. And I finally can react to jump ins reliably, and now with ca, it just hurts to play sf for a long period of time. Thankfully fwd hasn't bothered me but dp and ca fucking hurts so bad. Especially because Juri from light dp is opposite direction
That MP+MK drive cancel looks so nice. I always mess up my drive cancels on crouching normals when facing left.
Literally me haha. I think I'm going to start playing Luke again with this change
I was starting to legitimately have wrist pain because I'm using stick and am putting out so many dash commands
I'll finally start relying on crMK instead of sweep for whiff punishing
right is my problem
fuck drive cancels from crouch lol
I can't wait to either see no Rashids, or nothing but Rashids at EVO.
I know it isn't fair nor expected to go against Rashid at EVO. But I'm looking forward to the chaos that happens. It'll be interesting to watch, but I wouldn't want to be playing in it.
I am mixed/negative but not torn up about the changes happening right before evo. Cool that it potentially creates a showground for the new character and tech but this is supposed to be the years premier tournament. I am not as hardcore of a player so I think everything still feels fresh and I want to see the best matches possible. Too much "content" too fast it feels like we are blowing our load, slow it down and let it build towards the next evo! This would be the perfect place to showcase rashiid matches from pros to advertise him. I also have no finger on the pulse what do others think?
It’s as fair as EVO says it needs to be. Their previous trend for SF has been one week bans, rashid will be more than a week old at that point.
It'll be interesting to see how fast people can adapt. One of the things with new characters is that it's so much easier to know what to do on the character, than it is to know what to do against one. However, the best players won't be losing to any pools level Rashids, and by the time they get to tournament stage, if there's still Rashids in, good players will have had enough time to be able to at least adapt on the fly.
As long as he’s not broken on arrival like last game
Being able to buffer drive cancel is huge. I’m a stick player and all I could think about in training mode was how much easier this game is for hitbox players. In a moment of frustration I started playing on keyboard to confirm my arcade stick frustration and keyboard was easier. That being said, it is essentially the same technique as fadc from sf4 and no one complained back then.
This game was the reason I bought a hitbox. It's not even here yet, and then this change was announced lmao
There is a big difference in the context of doing the inputs, FADC would normally be done after a reversal or mid combo instead of in neutral. FADC was much harder to do, but the context of it made it less difficult if that makes sense. SF4 was generally more difficult in execution with true 1 frame links and I think of instead of complaining, people just didn't play lol.
@@vincentn872 The difference in SF4 is that the skill floor was ridiculously high. In SF6 there are a couple mechanics that might be tricky for new players, but they can still play the game mostly. In SF4, doing basic 3-4 hit punishes had a learning curve 😂. The reason people didn’t complain about input difficulty in SF4 is because it was only played BY people who had good execution.
Oh man we finna have fun this patch 😈
@@TruthAndReconciliation People complained a lot actually, because of stuff like the reversal buffer for specials ('omg this guy is just mashing DP in my pressure for free?') and focus crumples letting you convert from pokes ('you just press two buttons and dash? this game is for scrubs'). 09er was an insult specifically because of how bad people thought SF4 and the people who played it were.
Absolutely fantastic change. I absolutely hated the Drive Rush input, it felt so clunky sometimes, especially on a stick.
This is a nice change. I noticed that doing Chun li's crouching med kick into drive rush wouldn't come out sometimes but this will definitely help.
Same with Ken. Shit just did not work for me
Because you need a frame of neutral before the forward inputs. You’re probably sliding it from down forward straight to forward without neutral
@@onememory6484idk about all that but they were either doing it to fast or to slow
@onememory6484 it was clearly an issue, since they're fixing it moron.
I have this problem with Manon cr jab
I like this change, it will make it accessible for everyone. But yeah, the jab spam seems a bit iffy. The amount of times I’ve managed to punish the whiff but the dash didn’t come out is frustrating lol. It feels so unnatural to hit ‘down’, then ‘f, f’ in the middle of walking back and forward
The worst part is that you wouldn't get the DR even if you did the ff fast enough if you went from down to forward without a neutral in between. It would still give you a dash though, it was rough.
whiff punishing Ken's jenrai with a jab just to dash infront of him and get punished because f,f on pad from crouching is insane difficult
The cancel change is super nice imo, I have bad tendonitis and i purposely avoid doing lows into drive cancel because it hurts my wrist
On an unrelated side note, get a theraband flexbar shit is great for your hands/arms
Love the change. When you have to step forward slightly and go into a crouching normal to drive rush cancel, theres always that thought in the back of your mind that it might not come out.
And getting a full punish combo on your head lol
Finally, i don’t need to summon a demon with my hands to get a drive rush
Appropriate, considering Akuma's classic Raging Demon input (LP > LP > Forward > LK > HP) reminds me a bit of DR combos.
Comment from a noob: the drive rush cancel is kind of tricky for me (on pad), so the change initially sounds good. I don't see lights cancels being abused at my level, but who knows. It sounds like a problem at high levels.
I like this change b/c it will make the DRs consistent. Capcom must have noticed a lot of people were dropping these to make this change.
As an Arcade-stick user, I appreciate the input change to the drive rush!
Very much in favor for the Drive Rush qol update. I thought (66) felt sloppy for DR, sure it was somewhat of an input barrier but IMO it really didn’t feel good to do at all, or natural. To be fair i’m a stick player, so it’s more effort in general for me to DR in comparison to other controllers.
It’s an input barrier, but not in a fun way like motions or, dare I say it, 4’s one frame links. This change feels intuitive in a way that makes sense IMO
I mean capcom are somehow both trying to grow the compet scene with their huge prize pool, and make it a total lottery with their character design and DLC release prior to the tournament. Blanka winning a tournament, now they release rashid the week before... I wouldn't be surprised if the games are very boring to watch and just people losing to gimmicks.
I like this change but I'm honestly spooked about light buffers, it's too much return for too little of a commitment imo, SFV eventually became a buffer fest for this very reason, and I don't think they want this game to work like that.
Also, this change could indirectly make Marisa worse btw, since she's not able to combo after a DRC from her lights
Yes but bro it makes hittong bhp dr into fdf p soooo much easier now i can essentially do the big bird safe jumps combo with no worries of dropping now lol
Jab Fighter 6 - Cheatbox Edition
Huge nerf to JP. For example the 5HP crush counters into MPMK66 5HP 236HP combo will be much more difficult since the mkmp will cancel the 5HP and cause 2more bar and lower dmg due to the cause of 1 more cancel is added in the combo. It will require a very strict timing to make it not cancel😢
I love this style of video. It feels like a street fighter themed sports news show.
I really really really dislike this change. I had some issues drive rush canceling moves during combos, so I spent a good amount of time figuring out what I was doing wrong and really practiced getting the DRC's consistent. With this change, Capcom made all of that practice time pointless. I'm surprised that so many people here are supportive of the change, as it seems like most of the time people are against anything that dumbs down execution.
I don't love it, but seeing how easy this is on hitbox makes it make sense as a quality of life change to even out the use of it for everyone. I expect to see so many people going into burnout much more.
Didn’t know people hated the stick flick so much I actually prefer it
*mp+mk definitely looking the like move could potentially open so many routes for all characters
I find it’s difficult if your doing crouch medium kick into drive rush.
I really honestly don't understand why this change was needed... Street fighter 4 has the exact same thing and nobody complained. Everything will be 1 button soon enough 🤷🏽♂️
This is great for a semi-bad player like myself. 😮
Been playing the series since SF2 on the Super-Nintendo, but it kinda lost me with the focus dash cancel stuff in 4... it acted essentially as a soft cap for the skill I had; what I was willing and capable to learn and execute.
This change allows me to at least attempt to advance play, by making it as simple as possible for my old ass brain.
I don't need Street Fighter to be complicated and hard to play... the relative simplicity is what I like, because I at least still understand it and I can have fun with it... even online against randoms.
Thanks Capcom, I truly appreciate it! ❤
Doing lows into drive rush cancel consistent was the big thing missing from my SF6 bag I felt like. Inputting double forward after most normals was fine for like the first 20ish matches of the day but any longer and my hand barely wants to play anymore. This hand fatigue is a major reason I started playing modern controls to help feel better while playing more games. This change will help even more that’s a W in my book. Now I still think the fact ppl are inputting drive cancel into every normal they throw praying it connects so they can start some damage is still kinda lame. The jab spamming in my games already felt like scrub neutral now it will be every game played even for the lower ranks lol
drive rush cancel should be negative on block for 90% of normal moves. the free pressure you get from just hitting drive rush cancel is braindead. yea you lose 3 bars but if you continue to keep up that pressure and force the opponent to block, you recover at least 2 bars by the time you're done. especially if you land a tick throw
As a plat Chun-li who has 50% success rate to chancel my crouch MK, I appreciate this change. It affects EVO for sure, but perhaps in a good way.
Diamond chun main I hard agree lol
same here haha
I agree, crouch medium kick into Drive rush is tough to consistently land.
I think Capcom should have done. This from the start.
This feels more like FADC from sf4. Which I like
seeing that boxx tech, is a great example why cheatbox is not healthy for the game and should be banned. unfortunately, instead, capcom is allowing stick to use the stupid jab technique
Solid change that signifies Capcom is actually observing how we are playing the game and adapting it accordingly.
Scrubs gonna scrub. So much for skill based fighting games. Fighting games are dead.
I know it's just a translation error but the Japanese tweet being written with "Simultaneous delivery with 24 Rasheeds" feels oddly prophetic for EVO (it is also funny)
Doing the light buffer consistently is gonna be huge for Dhalsim. I would get a forward dash all the time.
Same. He's definitiely buffed by this change.
Call me scrub all u want but I needed this, I enjoy DR but I drop the input a lot to the point it hurts. This is literally a game changer😊
I don’t know how to say this. It has to be something with the lighting and the camera angle combined but…
…Brian looks extremely AI generated today.
Drive Rush changes is most definitely welcome as a pad player quality of life changes indeed
It's still too complicated and it requires too much manuality. They should add a dice option at the start of the match and the person with the higher score wins the match...
Though its bound to shake things up, I think because they've left the original method in that everyone's used to, I don't think its actually going to affect the results of EVO. The people who are grinding and prepping were going to do that anyway. If it makes combos more consistent from things people were already doing, I don't think it'll be influential on EVO specifically. I think it will have an overarching impact on the meta in the long run though.
Rashid's inclusion is just going to be a wrench. Let the chaos ensue. Nothing that anyone can do about it now.
i had to put this amazing game down until this patch released because old drive rush cancel was such a pain. this should have been in the game from the start.
This is probably a good change overall, but I don’t see anyone talking about the downsides:
1. Buffering being easy means you’ll see it a LOT. This will change the shape of SF6 meta…
2. Combos with DR just got a lot harder. No more holding parry during the recovery of (cancelable) moves. Now you’ll get a DRC by default.
Exactly. With point 2. I've already been mistakenly going into burnout with one of my combos. Gotta relearn it now for new muscle memory.
I dislike how fighting games sre getting easier. But it seems everyone likes these changes so who am i to complain 🤷
i love this change, it makes it so much more consistent for stick, i was thinking of getting a hitbox specifically for doing this kind of stuff in SF6, trying to do it after hours of practice not only ruins my hands and fingers but also its still not consistent, especially on someone like Juri, you can accidentally get your target combo off 2mk>drc>5mp>2hp>236mk/214mk
I was seriously considering switching to hitbox after I tried one, I just found it so uncomfortable trying to DR on arcade stick. This patch just saved me $300.
This change is such a mixed bag. I can see situations where it's preferred and others where it'll screw up combos that use raw Drive Rushes in them. For example anything where you buffer a Raw DR in juggle combos are now going to get DR or require some tighter timings depending on how long the input buffer window is.
you can still do original inputs, theyre just adding an extra input for the sake of stick players and everyones general hand health
Maybe if light buffering becomes a problem, they could scale it heavily, like the perfect parry. So you use a lot of recources to get little damage, but can combo for position / oki instead
Im having a hard time seeing it be a problem, but rather a solution to raw drive rush, which is the actual problem. Lights into drive rush are scaled pretty heavily and cost a lot of meter.
big fan of strive's dash button, and was dying for the same implementation. so, cheers capcom
if i was a sf dev i would increase scaling from lights canceled into drive rush i feel so they can push the guy on offense to be a little bit more risky but i know nothing about balance
This is a change for arcade stick, you can develop serious RSI with the current forward forward requirement when you physically have to move a lever. My take is that unless Capcom are still working on balancing the core combat system of the game behind the scenes and this is just a bandaid for helping out stick owners then personally I think Capcom wants drive rush to be the main combat approach in the game which eventually will split the playerbase when only the dedicated players remain, that playerbase is going to decide if they want green slimer in their Street Fighter or not. This change cements Capcoms outlook on the games future if this isn't just a bandaid patch.
So far in my experience as a Guile main I don't want the entire experience to be green slimer as it currently is, this QOL could change my opinion on it more positively but I don't enjoy unga bunga play and never will. This is just a perspective of a player who enjoys clear reads more than a battle of who can press a button faster, whos eyes can read frames faster in a match. I like SF2 Turbo and SF4 and those games despite how unga bunga they can be I could play my game still because the chaos didn't happen every single match due to character match ups and the main meter starting at 0 every match.
I WISH Capcom would fix WT mode and allow us to equip ALL master abilities.
So dumb that two commands can't both be equipped if they have the same directional input, but different buttons.
I think Modern is specifically the reason; you only have L, M, H and Special. Notice that Supers REQUIRE a specific strength button with your avatar, but not with regular characters. I agree-as a Classic player, I want all the inputs available, but that would allow us to have more moves equipped since punch and kick are only separate on Classic. Perhaps holding a button could give access to the other specials on Modern, and everyone could have all the input options.
Gotta love a wt complain on a sf6 news video lol. What the other person said about modern. Pretty sure they would’ve done it otherwise
@@ryo-kai8587 Exactly!
I shouldn't be punished as a classic player because some people want modern controls. I hate that Capcom did this. I want to enjoy WT as my avatar, while practicing the full move set of my main, Marissa.
@@PomadaGaming What can I say, I'm a casual player, not a sweaty try hard.
@@saturnstar718 Yeah, any way you look at it, the fact that you can't ever have the full moveset of any master is disappointing-let alone the build potential with more specials equipped.
For the record, I think this game is amazing and they've done almost everything right, but why can't I have Tatsu _and_ Hashogeki?
I see the game capcom is playing here. It’s a money grab because of evo. You gotta buy Rashid if you’re competing lol
Everyone gonna be forking over the cash or really putting those character trial tickets to use lol
The drive cancel stuff really helps me. I have trouble confirming lights sometimes. I end up missing the cancel window because my wrist is a little too slow on occasion.
Edit: ah okay so it's not just me who had trouble going 5p, 2p, drc, 2p then. Really important for sim too
I like this change a lot. Though I personally had more trouble with the raw drive rush mid combo and this doesn't help that one at all, but I'm also a massive noob, I didn't have a lot of trouble with the drive cancel because a lot of the time I avoided it in favor of more reliable combos for me. So the change will definitely add more drive cancels to my limited belt.
For the raw, Try holding the parry button(s) down and then you just time the forward forward. It's a lot easier than trying to do forward, parry + forward
buffered light spam looks scrubby af
Man seeing Fighterz have less than 1000 people hurts my heart
Why ? Its like 7 years old
Net code is trash. They dug their own grave not giving us rollback
1000 is a lot...
@@yeabih5607 laughs in UMVC3
My condolences for the EVO TOs who have to make sure all the consoles have the new patch like a week before.
I hope they nerf the DR from jabs if it becomes too strong. Sf4 became a bit boring to watch and play when everyone was trying to confirm from lights
Well the features here now and jabs into dr is just nerfed.
No matter what input method u use jab into dr comes out no matter what (including on whiff)
Screw double tap inputs, all my stick homies hate double tap inputs
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As a pad silver player I never use DRC bc I just can’t do it fast enough, now I will actually try and incorporate it, good change from my casual perspective
If dee Jay doesn't get nerfed with this patch he's sss+tier. Its over guys.
Im probably only gonna use the new drive rush input when trying to get low forwards into drive rush since I'm not good at getting it consistently
Top 8, EVO SF6 2023:
Rashid
Rashid
Rashid
Rashid
Rashid
LUKE
Rashid
... Marisa.
Capcom does a bit of trolling
> say Tokido is leveraging the hitbox
> hitbox
> leverless
Game will turn into light button buffer fighter 6
That feels like it evens the playing field a bit for non stickless players.
Non-stickless players? Weird way to say stick players…
what a trash update
Welcome to Forward Forward Gang
I love how Capcom is encouraging new players to play footsies instead of deeming it too difficult and not worth the effort. Respect!
I use hitbox and can do the ff cancels pretty easily and consistently but im glad they’ve added an easier input purely for the health of my hand/fingers, the less strenuous inputs are the longer i can play
I was struggling so much to do Manon's BnB, just because of how slow I was doing 2mp into 656, this was putting a wall on my neutral and made me struggle a lot just because of the input of the DR. This was very frustrating haha, and I was thinking about a simpler input for a DR. I am glad they're making that change
THANK YOU CAPCOM HOLY, deadass practicing new char Dhalsim past few days and frustrated from always dropping DR
imagine SF4 without 1f links (5f buffer) and with 1 button FADC, and SF3 with easy parry ... oh ... it's SF6 now.
My old hands look forward to this change. However if matches devolve into people endlessly spamming jab I hope they remove drive cancel from jab altogether.
It only says you have to be in neutral or holding forward, it doesn't specify if charge drops? Or is that the implication that when DR activates, charge is fully negated? I'm really curious to see if a charge character will be able to use this for the technique where, for example, Guile buffers a charge, releases down, hits LK, then presses up and K to get a flash kick. Will they be able to plink the input into the parry macro and get a DR'd sonic boom?
I will really never understand why so many people are against dash macros (let's be real here, this is just a dash macro that only works in a specific situation)
It was the same thing with Strive too. Pressing forward twice several times a match with relatively tight precision isn't hard. It's annoying.
Melty Blood had this figured out in _2002_
Maybe they'll swap drive rush into buttons permanently, and make parry like 3rd Strike with high and low directional buttons. Perfect opportunity now. Only one can dream lol.
"People won't stop their drive-rush cancels anymore"
Challenge accepted!
If there's an input, I can drop it!
;-)
You replying to my hateful and childish comment with kindness really threw me off. Might be the first time that's ever happened in my decades on YT. Respect bro. Sorry.
Man I've been arguing nonstop with people about this change, because so many seem to think this change is going to drastically change balancing for some reason?
This is not going to make anything new possible as far as what's happening in the game, it just keeps you from blowing out your wrist trying to dash cancel light normals with tight cancel windows, and makes it more consistent.
Everyone was already buffering dash cancels into cancelable pokes for OS, it's not changing shit lol
I'm a gief main and I was contemplating switching characters before this update. Because My left arm is slower then my right arm so drive rushing after a low or anything was almost impossible but this update has made it possible for me to effectively play gief. Thank you capcom.
Game just came out a month ago what they talking about been playing this long like a year lol. Ppl going to complain bro… they just want everything to be easy. Rashid breaking DI easy. Knocking guys into corner easy! My main
A bit of a pisser to throw EVO players for a loop like this, though I must admit that the new input does look alot better and most importantly more ergonomic, something I do legitimately consider when thinking about video game execution, especially as someone with subpar fine motor skills.
Aww, love the salt about things changing before EVO...i dunno, if you're there, it's because you should be able to adapt, and beat anyone.
Man I just dont care. The biggest one I've heard was "Light buffers" and thats shit I'm seeing happen in Gold. Who cares
Fighting games should not make all their decisions revolving around tournament play cause the high majority of players do not enter or even care about those tournaments. It’s about the masses not the few. Sold 2 mil copies and a few thousand will enter evo at most and out of those thousand only a couple hundred tops even have the slightest chance of making a dent in the crowd. It’s not all about the RUclipsrs.
Hey, they're solidifying that DRC is a lot like FADC from SF4. Nice!
As an avid viewer of fighting game tournaments I love this sometimes the game gets stale seeing the same characters with the same strategy and combos. Spicing up the bracket and getting the chance to see who can adjust quickly makes it interesting for me the viewer.
I do however understand how the people playing feel it’s unfair.
I spent time learning cancels off crouching lights and mediums what a waist of time 😂 I’m glad this will give all players more things to do now
I still have trouble getting really any inputs in SF6 to come out consistently, never had that issue in DBFZ or GGS.
Makes you wonder why they didn't just have drive cancel be MPMK from the start.
I don't really care about the havoc it'll do to tournament brackets, but they are missing a huge opportunity to do the new character launch LIVE on the evo stage to give all the people at home a new toy while all the eyeballs are pointing at the same place. Free advertising for a thing they're charging money for.
Drive rush change is great. Any change 10 days before the biggest fighting game tournament in the world degrades the competitive integrity of the player.
first thing i thought of was crouching normals, glad i'm not the only one who has issues with it. That's a huge buff for certain top tier characters *cough* Ken *cough*
My thumb just refuses to do forward forward consistently, ill gladly take this change
I don't think it shakes things up since many pros are using hitboxes or gamepads. It just levels the playing field for stick users.
The translation on the tweet of "simultaneous delivery with 24 Rasheeds" seems.... incorrect lol
-Legal eagle, Dark Viper and Hybrid Calisthenics in the suggested videos
Man's got good taste
Capcom actually tweeted, "Good luck" As the zoomers would say, (skull emoji)
still haven't fixed region lock matchmaking and crossplay..
This feels like a nerf to how I play on hitbox. I will hold parry pre-emptively to do the 1 bar dash in a combo. I cant wait for the game to interpret it as a 3 bar cancel and throw my gauge in the trash
Ngl that title is bit confusing lmao. I thought you are saying 6 days before EVO. Was about to make fun of you for not knowing how to count lol.