Great video as always. As a 40 year old purple belt, while I train periodically on takedowns, it is tough to start standing up all the time. I am guilty of starting from a seated position or pulling guard. I gotta go to work the next morning, preferably without being completely sore or injured. I definitely understand the point to learning takedowns for self defense and growing in the art.
Hi Kama Jiu jitsu guy. I’ve trained in Dan Zan ru ju jitsu from 1992-1996. Then trained Gracie Jiu jitsu from 1995 - 2012. The Japanese ju jitsu does everything, practitioners of all masters of none. I took my fifteen years of karate and four years of ju jitsu and went to Ceaser’s school in pleasant hill. I got distroyed by his students and realized how much better Gracie Jiu jitsu was on the ground than traditional ju jitsu. They are both good styles and have very different approaches to fighting and self defense. It’s ju jitsu and Jiu jitsu.
I’ve trained at a lot of different gyms and with a lot of different people at open mat. I think it just boils down to your gym culture. I’ve trained with plenty of “soft” people that are high ranking in “Gracie Jiu Jitsu”. I’ve trained with straight killers that train in non Gracie gyms. I myself train in a non Gracie gym as well.
An alternative is kneeling grappling and throws, I know many make fun of the idea. But as someone with a disability it makes sense. And historical knee grappling used to be a thing.
It’s all in the Gracie curriculum, we train it here in Spain, there’s no excuse. Start every roll from standing, end of. If you don’t want to be thrown then you pull guard or learn to take the other down, it’s that simple. The Japanese Jiu Jitsu the Romanian guy is talking about sounds great in principle, but the curriculum is often far too expansive where you are training everything from weapons to throws to kicks and punches in one class, ending up very rarely being good in any of them. I’ve trained both btw.
I have a question. I have trained in a BJJ "gym" for 5 months. I took a layover to finish college, and now I am getting back to practicing. I am a Texan white belt with wrestling experience, a broken lineage, and ring rust. Can I still turn it around and learn jiu-jitsu the way Rickson Gracie intended?
We were drilling takedowns in class today and I got too close to another student and he had nose bleed really bad. I feel guilty for being responsible for this. I don't know if i want to go back 😮 i apologize and helped clean up my training partners blood. Feel so bad
Suspeneded mats with 4" foam and people still don't want to get thrown? WTF? When I started Judo 28 years ago, we had a wooden Church floor with 1/2" chip foam covered with an old stiff canvas!
Yeah, kids and teens can get thrown all day long. Adults, have to be eased into it, and then, not do it too frequently. Me myself at age 56, I completely understand. If I were just starting off, I would probably skip judo days Altogether!
Japanese jiu-jitsu is a martial art, Brazilian jiu-jitsu and judo are not martial arts, but sports disciplines like boxing for example. you can object to me that with the help of judo, Brazilian jiu-jitsu and boxing, you can defeat an opponent in battle, but other sports can also be used in battle. football players kick hard, volleyball players hit hard with their hands, and baseball players can kill a person with a bat and a chess player can hurt with a chessboard. martial arts will differ from sports in a different psychological preparation, different goals and tools. In terms of tools, Japanese jiu-jitsu is more suitable for combat because it teaches you to fight at different distances. the distances of hand-to-hand combat are as follows, I will give them according to an old book of the 20s: -A distance of 4-5 steps. This is the scope of the revolver (as well as throwing a stone, knife, bottle); -The distance is 3-4 steps. This is the scope of the cane, chain, baton; -The distance is 2-3 steps. This is the scope of foot strikes; -The distance is 1-2 steps. This is the scope of punches (and fingers); -The distance of the fight is close without girth and 1 step. This is the sphere of blows with elbows, knees, head, painful techniques on the joints of the hands; -The distance of the struggle is close to the girth, i.e. the struggle, which has a predominantly forceful character. Fight lying on the ground (wrestling) and fight from the ground against a standing opponent (kicking). So Japanese jiu-jitsu has an arsenal of techniques at all distances, and Brazilian only at 1 or 2. There is also a separate conversation about the applicability of the stalls in a fight with several opponents. something like this
@@KamaJiuJitsu some questions u got here def deserve a video. i get GJJ is a combat system, probably superior to any other existing alone. bjj lacks takedowns, gjj will prepare you for the real world, even for attacks that are not allowed in current days' mma.
To use techniques from sambo, judo and wrestling, you will have to practice sambo, judo and wrestling. It's not about technique, but about using it against a resisting opponent. If you beat a punching bag at home, it doesn't mean at all that you will learn how to box. On the other hand, you will not be able to simply apply the techniques you have learned from sambo, judo and wrestling in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, since there are other rules that determine other conditions -from the type of clothing to another type of movement. You will have to redo these techniques to meet new conditions
Gracie Jiujitsu is Jiujitsu specifically taught by the Gracie Family. They are specific for their style of Self Defense., but aside from bear hugs, shoulder grabs etc, everything else lose is the exact same. Gracie style is weak MMA style type.
From my understanding, Gracie Ju Jitsu came more from Helio being weaker and smaller than his brothers. Or at least how I've heard Royce describe it. What's more interesting, I find is the relationship between Gastao Gracie and Count Coma. Gracie Ju Jitsu was taught to the rich while the poor learned it elsewhere. These are conclusions I've come to watching videos on the subject, just seeing what other people think. Also, how the Gracies believed the knee bars and heel hooks were lesser techniques for the lower class. Finally, the red flag with a black lightning bolt. Is this a fascist symbol? There are articles that say Gastao was a fascist,I'm not sure if this is true or not. Finally, Helio did name his sons after his favourite car company. I know you're close to the lineage, so I figured you'd be the best person to ask.
Ok, lemme think… now mind you, everything i have is (pretty much mostly) from family members I’ve known over my 35 years in the art, so take that for what it’s worth (2 cents, maybe?). 1) Helio (from what I’ve seen) was actually BIGGER than Carlos, Sr. At least, he was taller than Carlos, Sr… 2) GJJ was taught primarily to the rich and powerful in Brazil, at least in the beginning. Why was that? It was because they ONLY taught GJJ in 1-on-1 settings. Truly “greedy” (i debate that moniker, as well) instructors would only teach group classes, since per hour, group classes net WAY more $$ to the school/instructor. But Carlson, Sr did open up his school to those less fortunate and put several of his students on scholarship and charged them nothing. That’s why years later, members of BTT were said to break off from him because he wanted a portion of their winnings for teaching them for free. Goes to the old adage, “never expect gratitude from someone you did a favor for.” 3) yes, they were convinced of the efficacy of footlocks and knee bars later on. They never really incorporated heel hooks until much later, i think, and even now, it’s not a focus. 4) I’ve NEVER seen the red flag with the black lightning bolt in any interaction I’ve had with any of them (Relson, Rorion, Royce, Rickson, Royler, Rodrigo, Roger Machado), so i have no idea what their politics are/were. 5) speaking of the car, i think only Royce was named by Helio, as Rolls was Carlos, Sr’s son, but raised by Helio as Helio’s oldest son (before Rorion, who is his oldest natural son). Hope that helped!
Having used Kama Jiu Jitsu for self defense repeatedly it works very well
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This is why I train in BJJ and Danzan Ryu Ju Jitsu every week. One art is more grappling on the ground the other is more based on the throw!
Great video as always. As a 40 year old purple belt, while I train periodically on takedowns, it is tough to start standing up all the time. I am guilty of starting from a seated position or pulling guard. I gotta go to work the next morning, preferably without being completely sore or injured. I definitely understand the point to learning takedowns for self defense and growing in the art.
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Hi Kama Jiu jitsu guy. I’ve trained in Dan Zan ru ju jitsu from 1992-1996. Then trained Gracie Jiu jitsu from 1995 - 2012. The Japanese ju jitsu does everything, practitioners of all masters of none. I took my fifteen years of karate and four years of ju jitsu and went to Ceaser’s school in pleasant hill. I got distroyed by his students and realized how much better Gracie Jiu jitsu was on the ground than traditional ju jitsu. They are both good styles and have very different approaches to fighting and self defense. It’s ju jitsu and Jiu jitsu.
Its fun
I’ve trained at a lot of different gyms and with a lot of different people at open mat. I think it just boils down to your gym culture. I’ve trained with plenty of “soft” people that are high ranking in “Gracie Jiu Jitsu”. I’ve trained with straight killers that train in non Gracie gyms. I myself train in a non Gracie gym as well.
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The best fall-break training I got was from Krav Maga and Judo.
Thanks Ryan!
Judo bro!
An alternative is kneeling grappling and throws, I know many make fun of the idea. But as someone with a disability it makes sense. And historical knee grappling used to be a thing.
It’s all in the Gracie curriculum, we train it here in Spain, there’s no excuse. Start every roll from standing, end of. If you don’t want to be thrown then you pull guard or learn to take the other down, it’s that simple. The Japanese Jiu Jitsu the Romanian guy is talking about sounds great in principle, but the curriculum is often far too expansive where you are training everything from weapons to throws to kicks and punches in one class, ending up very rarely being good in any of them. I’ve trained both btw.
That is true. If the curriculum is too vast, you “learn” a lot, but you won’t “know” a lot.
Lots of us have to work with our bodies we can’t do takedowns everytime and if we do it’s light takedowns
I have a question. I have trained in a BJJ "gym" for 5 months. I took a layover to finish college, and now I am getting back to practicing. I am a Texan white belt with wrestling experience, a broken lineage, and ring rust. Can I still turn it around and learn jiu-jitsu the way Rickson Gracie intended?
Yep
We were drilling takedowns in class today and I got too close to another student and he had nose bleed really bad. I feel guilty for being responsible for this. I don't know if i want to go back 😮 i apologize and helped clean up my training partners blood. Feel so bad
Happens.
Suspeneded mats with 4" foam and people still don't want to get thrown? WTF? When I started Judo 28 years ago, we had a wooden Church floor with 1/2" chip foam covered with an old stiff canvas!
Yeah, kids and teens can get thrown all day long. Adults, have to be eased into it, and then, not do it too frequently. Me myself at age 56, I completely understand. If I were just starting off, I would probably skip judo days Altogether!
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from what you describe, what's the difference between japanese & gracie jiu-jitsu?
Japanese jiu-jitsu is a martial art, Brazilian jiu-jitsu and judo are not martial arts, but sports disciplines like boxing for example. you can object to me that with the help of judo, Brazilian jiu-jitsu and boxing, you can defeat an opponent in battle, but other sports can also be used in battle. football players kick hard, volleyball players hit hard with their hands, and baseball players can kill a person with a bat and a chess player can hurt with a chessboard. martial arts will differ from sports in a different psychological preparation, different goals and tools. In terms of tools, Japanese jiu-jitsu is more suitable for combat because it teaches you to fight at different distances. the distances of hand-to-hand combat are as follows, I will give them according to an old book of the 20s: -A distance of 4-5 steps. This is the scope of the revolver (as well as throwing a stone, knife, bottle);
-The distance is 3-4 steps. This is the scope of the cane, chain, baton;
-The distance is 2-3 steps. This is the scope of foot strikes;
-The distance is 1-2 steps. This is the scope of punches (and fingers);
-The distance of the fight is close without girth and 1 step. This is the sphere of blows with elbows, knees, head, painful techniques on the joints of the hands;
-The distance of the struggle is close to the girth, i.e. the struggle, which has a predominantly forceful character. Fight lying on the ground (wrestling) and fight from the ground against a standing opponent (kicking).
So Japanese jiu-jitsu has an arsenal of techniques at all distances, and Brazilian only at 1 or 2. There is also a separate conversation about the applicability of the stalls in a fight with several opponents. something like this
GJJ is actually closer to what judo WAS prior to (maybe) the 1950s. Traditional Jujutsu is more comprehensive.
@@KamaJiuJitsu some questions u got here def deserve a video. i get GJJ is a combat system, probably superior to any other existing alone. bjj lacks takedowns, gjj will prepare you for the real world, even for attacks that are not allowed in current days' mma.
What questions should I do a video on?
Have u ever heard of darcio lira jiujitsu says on website it’s traditional they train u everything here in Bayarea
No, sorry. Doesn’t mean anything, other than I don’t know everyone teaching martial arts. I only know what I’ve experienced myself
is it okay to learn bjj, and get those takedowns and throws from either: wrestling, sambo, or judo?
To use techniques from sambo, judo and wrestling, you will have to practice sambo, judo and wrestling. It's not about technique, but about using it against a resisting opponent. If you beat a punching bag at home, it doesn't mean at all that you will learn how to box. On the other hand, you will not be able to simply apply the techniques you have learned from sambo, judo and wrestling in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, since there are other rules that determine other conditions -from the type of clothing to another type of movement. You will have to redo these techniques to meet new conditions
I say yes.
Gracie Jiujitsu is Jiujitsu specifically taught by the Gracie Family. They are specific for their style of Self Defense., but aside from bear hugs, shoulder grabs etc, everything else lose is the exact same. Gracie style is weak MMA style type.
Except they did Vale Tudo prior to the UFC/MMA.
From my understanding, Gracie Ju Jitsu came more from Helio being weaker and smaller than his brothers. Or at least how I've heard Royce describe it. What's more interesting, I find is the relationship between Gastao Gracie and Count Coma. Gracie Ju Jitsu was taught to the rich while the poor learned it elsewhere. These are conclusions I've come to watching videos on the subject, just seeing what other people think. Also, how the Gracies believed the knee bars and heel hooks were lesser techniques for the lower class. Finally, the red flag with a black lightning bolt. Is this a fascist symbol? There are articles that say Gastao was a fascist,I'm not sure if this is true or not. Finally, Helio did name his sons after his favourite car company. I know you're close to the lineage, so I figured you'd be the best person to ask.
Ok, lemme think… now mind you, everything i have is (pretty much mostly) from family members I’ve known over my 35 years in the art, so take that for what it’s worth (2 cents, maybe?). 1) Helio (from what I’ve seen) was actually BIGGER than Carlos, Sr. At least, he was taller than Carlos, Sr… 2) GJJ was taught primarily to the rich and powerful in Brazil, at least in the beginning. Why was that? It was because they ONLY taught GJJ in 1-on-1 settings. Truly “greedy” (i debate that moniker, as well) instructors would only teach group classes, since per hour, group classes net WAY more $$ to the school/instructor. But Carlson, Sr did open up his school to those less fortunate and put several of his students on scholarship and charged them nothing. That’s why years later, members of BTT were said to break off from him because he wanted a portion of their winnings for teaching them for free. Goes to the old adage, “never expect gratitude from someone you did a favor for.” 3) yes, they were convinced of the efficacy of footlocks and knee bars later on. They never really incorporated heel hooks until much later, i think, and even now, it’s not a focus. 4) I’ve NEVER seen the red flag with the black lightning bolt in any interaction I’ve had with any of them (Relson, Rorion, Royce, Rickson, Royler, Rodrigo, Roger Machado), so i have no idea what their politics are/were. 5) speaking of the car, i think only Royce was named by Helio, as Rolls was Carlos, Sr’s son, but raised by Helio as Helio’s oldest son (before Rorion, who is his oldest natural son). Hope that helped!
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