Thrill Kill - What Happened?
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- On this episode of What Happened, we strap on our leather daddy gear, boot up our PlayStations and examine what went down with the most infamous cancelled fighting game of all time!
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#thrillkill #cancelledgames #whathappened - Игры
Shout out to the anonymous Paradox employee who stealth released the game, a true gaming hero.
@@TexasHollowEarth the one without cutscenes is the more risque, early build. It has Bella's original fatality animation and different costumes. It was really unstable and would crash frequently.
nice profile pic my man
@@KawaiiPotat0 👌
True that! I bought a copy off a guy who used to sell dodgy DVDs and psx games! It was great times! Seem to remember it crashed a lot though!
I remember my friend had it, had some fun.
I hate when companies don't want an to use IP but also refuse to sell it to anyone.
(Like blizzard doesn't do anything with MetalArms)
That's Jez San for you regarding Croc and Super FX 1 and 2.
Batzarro yeeep. I’m 100% sure Capcom’s investors are pissed with them selling the rights to the Red Dead franchise
@@Polaris4 probably not. It's not like Capcom would have ever done anything close to what the franchise would become.
Like with No One Lives Forever. None of the companies involved in publishing the game and its sequels are interested in doing anything with the IP.
Paradox OBVIOUSLY stole actual Aztec artifacts from their tombs before making their game, and as they did not heed the warnings to return them, were cursed to forever be in a hell of unending closures and alright titles.
Return the pillar man~
They obviously didn't grab any of the ample Stone Masks available.
Chris Crisis They should’ve taken at least some of the Stone Masks. They could’ve rejected their humanity and become immortal beings, smh.
ROBOTPETER101 The Thrill Kill Logo does look like a monster out of Courage the Cowardly Dog
@@MalcolmTurnerKing Not putting a timed poison ring around your arteries if you do
The age rating systems for media always make me laugh no end; "there's a scene where a man rips another man's head off then plays a game of football with it"... "sounds like a 15 rating to me". "You see some side-boob for 0.29 seconds"... "Better slap that 18 rating on it".
I gave up trusting the age rating system a long time ago.
The alternative would be much worse. The ESRB was established by the game industry because the American government was planning on setting up their own regulatory body to rate video games.
Everyone should watch "This film is not yet rated" a good documentary about how bullshit the rating system is.
@@MrStGeorgeIllawarra ehh that movie is crap, it has some false facts in it.
As questionable as the ESRB is, the MPAA is the biggest joke of them all. The amount of similar elements you can have between multiple movies (Some violence, abit of tits and some swearing) and yet somehow, the rating can be vastly different between them.
So they took one game and went... "Hey, what if we change the gameplay? Hey what if we change the design?"
...and essentially just made an unrelated different game?
The movie equivalent of this would be Robocop, which was initially a Judge Dredd movie rewritten over and over again.
@@vasile-vladivanovici9430 So what you're saying is that Robocop is the Dante to Judge Dredd's Leon S. Kennedy?
@@pocketlint60 Precisely
@@vasile-vladivanovici9430 Honestly, you can kinda tell. Robocop's Detroit and Dredd's Megacity One are cut pretty cleanly from the same cloth.
This shit happens to game devs allot constant changes from higher up leading to insane amounts of crunch before the same jack ass who wanted you to make all those changes says "you know what? Nevermind" cancels the game altogether and lays you and your entire team off
This is sad because that original Aztec game idea sounds pretty dang fun. Thanks, marketing geniuses.
Yea it sounds really cool but different..
Honestly, it really would have been pretty sweet.
Would love to see someone give it another go.
When it's almost midnight but you really gotta learn about a cancelled game from well over a decade ago
Adderall vybes
God how I wish Cats was a violent, bloody battle royal with a heavy demonic influence.
It would have fit so well with the horrifying visuals.
so when did this movies happens ? sorry i was apparently under a rock
@@yahyamusseb the end of 2019. Yes it was roundly panned for basically failing at everything related to being an enjoyable family movie (released in the Holiday Season), both critically and commercially
It WAS going to be a bloody free for all. But EA changed to appeal to the Chinese Market as always, ughh
Cats: Kitty litter combat
It would also explain the bonkers horniness of that movie if it takes place in hell
The moment I heard "Westwood", EA came to mind, and I immediately got really sad.
Press F to pay respects
They fucked that up left handed 😥
Lands of Lore ruined :-(
I miss Command and Conquer. RIP Yuri Revenge
This story basically sums up 1998.
Developer:"We're working on this unique and interesting idea for a game that no one else has done before and mixes sports and combat in a new way."
Publisher: "That's cool, but... it needs more trench coats."
Who could forget the cult classic trench coat simulator?
'Guys, it's the late 90's. We don't want to deal with something this different unless we have enough Xtremeness to make us feel comfortable with the risk we are taking.'
I wonder how many episodes of "What Happened?" could easily be re-titled "EA ruins everything: Part ___"
Yes, I put in three underscores. A proper "EA ruins everything" series would easily have over 100 episodes.
As a Suda51 fan, I'd like to see a detailed video over how EA fucked over Kurayami Dance and made Suda make Shadows of the Damned instead.
@@SunlitSonata14272 you obviously don't know much about ea then if you're saying that.
@@heroprime7599 they make nothing but bad business decisions. For the consumer that is. The decisions they make seek only to benefit them and milk the consumer dry so yes, yes they are as bad as people say. Evil companies can still stay in business off their anti consumer decisions. That does not make them a good company just because they can stay a float. Thats a dumb ass way of thinking. Please don't be as blind as that comment made you seem.
Local Publisher Ruins Everything
@@heroprime7599 That is perhaps the dumbest argument i've ever heard. as if companies just close down once they become unpopular. Walmart, Monsanto, Kroger, Homegoods, United Airlines, Amazon, Nike, a lot of people hate these companies. Between monopolizing and consumer apathy, they will probably never close down. God, what a fucking stupid argument
So fun fact: Back when the fansite Fuzzd0rk's Thrill Kill had an active forum, we actually found out from an EA dev that a Thrill Kill PSP pitch was in the works! The attitude about it was "Yeah, this probably won't get greenlit, but we'll never know if we don't try?" Some people got excited, but most of us weren't optimistic. Of course since Thrill Kill was shelved and never officially released on any platform, that idea didn't come to fruition. Still though, we thought it was cool that even 10 years after it was cancelled, there was still some hidden love for it within EA.
I'm a very big fan of finishing moves! It a shame about Thrill Kill!
Love for something by EA, very funny! They only love microtransactions...
Damn that would've been awesome to have this on the road . Here's your 100th like 😁 . Awesome story
"He instead admitted that the major influence was the musical "Cats", which, when you think about it, is insane, but when you break it down further..."
...It's still insane?
Like the plot to CATS, really.
EA should just change their name to "Thrill Kill" since they have a thrill killing all games and studios
Seriously looks what they did plants vs zombies
I wish we got that Aztec game base from Earth Monster. Would definitely be nice and different from the sports chaff we've been subjected to for decades now.
The premise reminds me a lot of Lethal League and so something like that in 3D and with a weirdly never used theme like Aztec would be amazing
It's weird that the most unique sports games we have had in years are FFX's Blitz ball and Rocket League.
@@TexasHollowEarth I thought they sacrificed the losing team
@@TexasHollowEarth Taking something from a nearby culture and incorporating it a very long time ago isn't "ripping off," and I'm pretty sure the modern form of the game doesn't have sacrifice because that's not legal now. Aztec faith as it was was an extremely long time ago, bud
Closest thing we have are Jojos bizarre adventure all star battle and eyes of heaven
This Wu-Tang fighting game was surprisingly good, especially since it wasn't just a clone of SF2, MK or Tekken. ODB's drunken style was fun to play.
Don't mess with Big Baby Jesus!
I still have my copy, it, like the Wu Tang Clan, ain't nothing to fuck with.
Method man had a 100% combo that was super easy to do.
A pole vault style flying kick, followed by just... basic Crouching kicks. Over and over. Just mashing one button until they die.
Thrill kill had a lot of potential, it looked genuinly awesome
its as awesome as it looks. Fun AF no matter which version you can find, and there are like 3 or 4 different builds out there.
Paradox made the X-Men Mutant Academy games too? I still own both of them, and can totally see the same influence. When EA got to them, they got to them like Dio to a JoJo, going after them and their descendants.
(The Macarena ending, that's some uncut 90's right there.)
I was shocked to see you. I loved your voice compression videos since 2016.
I have very fond memories of Thrill Kill. My brother got me the leaked version of it way way back in the day that could still play on my PS1. Got my friends together many a time to play it, and i ended up getting invited to people's places I barely knew on the condition I brought it with me. This game actually helped me make new friends.
You ever think about doing a Conker: What Happened?
@@JohnDoe-wq5eu well yes. But a more thorough analysis would be appreciated
I've played Thrill Kill! My friend got a bootleg copy when he lived in Saudi Arabia. 🤣
We hand a shady guy in a van who'd sell pirated copies of playstation games to the local kids, and my friend managed to pick a copy up.
You can also download it online
My father had a copy when I was a kid
I had a copy of Thrill Kill too
here in argentina we have pirated copies of that game in playstation one times
"Why is this dwarf on stilts...in a leather daddy costume" is a sentence I thought I would never hear.
I remember being in my local EB games store, when one of the employees pulled out a psone with the portable screen attachments. The game he booted up was this game. My teenage self thought it was an import. I had no idea how rare of an encounter that was.
2:14 Also known as that one game they play in Road to Eldorado.
That's not relevant to anything, i just like to reference road to eldorado whenever i can.
I cannot remember the last time I thought about that movie.
Road to El Dorado is my favorite Polyamory movie.
any reason to namedrop el dorado is a good reason to namedrop el dorado *SPANISH GUITAR INTENSIFIES*
Hey man, I appreciate that cause I was gonna say the same thing
"Ah yes, I remember playing this game when I was a wee lad."
~People in the comments from the Berenstein Bears Universe.
You mean Russia? Pirated copies of Thrill Kill with crappy translation (НА РYCCK0M Я3ЬIKE) were widely available there.
There were 3 versions of the game available Online One at 80% Without cutscenes, otr cutscenes without sound. Theh there was a 90 % complete one wich was censord if i remember correctly and a 99% complete version uncensored wich i still have my copy on disc and a backup on my harddrive, its pretty wide spread and u can easily find it on rom sites. i think it got leaked very shortly after ea canceled it since it was everywhere in 1998-1999 i dont remember 100% somewhere around that time here in germany. I worked in a rental store for games then and we gave out copies when customers brought us cd-r's...Since my boss didnt want to sell bootlegs but the demand was so big.
No one in Brazil had a original Ps1 or Ps2 so pirated games were the norm. Me and a lot of my friends got the 99% release version of this game at the time
Do some research. One quick Google search will show the numerous bootleg and downloadable versions of the game you can get for free, many people have played it and many have made videos talking about how it feels to play. Before accusing others of lying do some actual research before you look like a complete moron.
Yeah, no, sorry dude. Major fuck up on your part. I definitely had this on bootleg in '96. It was back when Playstation' s were getting, "Chipped." And all my adolescent mind could remember from it was that it was an arena fighter and there was a dominatrix called Belladonna who moaned when she won a fight or performed a special move. This was never, "unreleased." In the UK it was banned, but totally released.
There is something charming about mid-late 90's gore :D
Oh wow, are those some of my Thrill Kill clips (the training stage ones and some where I play Oddball)?
That's pretty cool to see, I can tell because of the outfits and my terrible reaction to doing the moves - haha.
And you know... Cleetus being OP as hell.
I don't really mind though, they are there for people to use/see and experience the games I like to play! I was just really surprised :D
Neat video, man! Always cool to see a video going in-depth on Thrill Kill. At least we still get to play this cancelled game.
THRILLS
CHILLS
KILLS
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Oh boi😂
*THAT FUCKIN BEAR*
Must you say that every time?
Awesome to see you cover this, my friends and I had a great time playing it when it was first leaked back in the day. There were actually multiple versions leaked, one the full release, and one from before they toned everything down. We had the latter.
Truly a shame, lots of work was put into the project and the engine looked damn fine with 4 player coop! And the theme would certainly made an impact in the industry AND its 100% cult classic material.
I remember the day in 1999 in 6th grade, when a buddy of mine got a burned CD with the name "Thrill Kill" on it. Man, we played it so often... good old times
"See, Virgin Interactive were kinda bad at their jobs..." REALLY??? I NEVER WOULD'VE GUESSED..........
I surprisingly remember this fighting game, it was those types of games that you play silently in your room after your parents fall asleep.
Oh man, i remember playing a bootleg copy of this on PS1 back in the day in college, when i should have been studying , lol . From what i remember , the 4 player' vs' mode was actually quite fun.
A 100% copy isn’t actually floating around. The three versions I’ve seen are the 40-ish% done, then one that’s about 90% done but censored, then the censored one with some of the assets changed to make a 90% done decensor
Thank you for the correction. I read somewhere there was a 100% finished in terms of content.
Matt McMuscles the biggest part was that the ending cinematic’s aren’t in the 40%, replaced with the virgin logo splash. In the 90% builds they have these ending cinematics that....honestly seem like introduction cinematics - but from what I heard they outsourced these cutscenes to a Russian company and they did a crap job, so they aren’t good. But the idea is I think those were also placeholders.
Any other information at this point would have been manual bound as there’s not much story past that.
Also, hey, Rockem Sockem robots on ps1 also uses the engine
Man, I was wondering when you'd eventually get to Thrill Kill. I remember seeing upcoming screenshots on GamePro and, I think, Electronic Gaming Monthly. Ah, those heady days when we had to get gaming info from print on paper instead of a search engine. Such dark times.
Could you do a video on Tao Feng: Fist of the Lotus? Not that great of a fighting game but is interesting because it was John Tobias' attempt at a fighting game after leaving Mortal Kombat. I believe you could have a lot of fun making & doing research for the video! Also love the 'What Happened' videos for fighting games! It's a great video series in general & they are very entertaining!
Hears "Westwood"
CJ: "Aw shit, here we go again..."
It was a shame what happened to Thrill Kill. Me and my mate played a version of it thanks to our local comic shop getting the completed code online. It was definitely a fun fighter, and you can see why it led them to their Wu Tang game.
i still remember playing this with my dad
Its was soo freaky and fun
I approve of this father-son activity!
How did you get a hold of a copy?
@@NoHomerS it was easy to get hold of, there was bootlegs everywhere so long as you had a modded ps1
Goddamn, thrill kill is a game I'd love to play right now. Looked as fast-paced as killer instinct.
You can download it for pc
You can download it, it's apparently not too great sadly.
@@eminemfan50098 Hey, what can you expect from an unfinished game? xD
Man my mom bought this game for me when I was a kid from a guy from work and when I found out it was illegal in Canada I played it everyday lol.
I didn't know this game was never released properly. I actually got a bootleg copy of the game from a friend who came back from Thaïland with multiple dozens of bootleg games (Most of them, we've never heard of before). Needless to say, this game just amazed us to no end :D
I pre-ordered Thrill Kill back in the day. When it got canceled, I waited and purchased the Wu-Tang Shaolin Style game.
Please do a what happened for Legacy of Kain Dead Sun.
hell yeah, I would love a new entry from this series :(
....honestly I’m guessing someone looked at it and screamed NO. I’d love to see a new entry, just not that one with the generic protagonist and edgy designs aspects.
@@kukkzikoCZ Remember Nosgoth? :(
@Toilets in Japan
We don’t talk about that...thing.
You can add to that the other Defiance sequel (Dark Prophecy?) and I think there was even another concept that got pretty far before being canned.
I remember reading about this in a gaming magazine back in 98, complete with some disturbing art of the characters and some messily dark screenshots. Great job unearthing this obscure corpse!
Thrill Kill was fairly popular in Russia in the early 2000s. Some pirates somehow found the leaked ROM, burned it onto CDs and started selling the game. The same thing happened to the Dreamcast port of Half-Life btw.
That Aztec esque fighting game idea of tribal fights to appease their specific god does actually sound pretty cool for a concept
1:55 Matthew Booty *Beavis and Butthead laugh intensifies*
MK: Shaolin Monks was an unexpected twist in this video. Man, what a great game that was. Paradox deserved better.
“1994 was a cool 12 months as well” 👍🏽
I think Thrill Kill might have seemed more cohesive, and less silly, if instead of porno they drew inspiration from Clive Barker novels like Hellraiser, Matt mentioned Silent hill which would have worked, HR Geiger artwork, even HP Lovecraft.
To this day, I’m still pissed off about the cancellation of this game. To the point that I developed a “spiritual successor” called Sadistic.
Link me, my guy.
Could I get a link as well?
Maaaaan just answer
Ahh I remember this game and loved it. This is the game that actually convinced me to get a mod for my PS1 so I could play it as a buddy of mine found it online back in high school and was selling bootleg copies of it.
A copy of the game 75% complete was also given away on a demo disc with one of the old Playstation Magazines. I forget which one, but I had it, and played the hell out of it.
My Dad actually has one of those Kill-Thrill CD's. I cant remember if its a burned copy or not but it's crazy that we had it in mid 99 despite being in the UK!
I own a burnt copy of Thrill Kill. I freaking love this game!
Me:*See paradox interactive
Also me: Did they just make a B*SM fighting game-style DLC for HOI 4?
New HOI4 DLC: Hitler fighting Stalin in the ring of honor, with Churchill throwing money at them
I'm always so happy when I see one of these pop up in my notifications!! Thank you for making some of my favorite content on youtube
Hey just wanted to say I really appreciate all these videos, i deliriously watched nearly all of them while unable to sleep due to sickness, but I'm all better now!
Who wants a REMASTERED Thrill Kill??
(now its easier to publish a R-Rated)
I mean, they remastered Night Trap, so I guess anything's possible.
I've been wishing this for so long, but it will never come true sadly
Sure, might as well have yet another nostalgia-bait Kickstarter that ultimately fails to live up to the hype people construct around it.
Thrill Kill was awsome we played the hell out of it back in the day, i was 16 and was working part time in a store where u could buy and rent video games, and one of the owners came into the store with the leaked version one day and we played it the whole day in the store and almost every customer asked wheh they could rent or buy it from us, and my boss always said it was just a demo and the game was sadly canceled. The demand was so high that we eventually told customers to bring cd-r 's and and I copied the game for them after work for free and they could come grab it the next day. Great times, such a shame it never got a official release Shaolin Monks was cool but couldnt hold a candle to Thrill Kill imo..Imp,Belladonna,Oddball and Doctor Faustus were just soo cool characters i loved it.
@@bilwisss nah im german and this was only a part time after school and saturdays job..
I played this around 8 years old when my best friend's dad acquired a pirated copy that only worked on chipped consoles
I played this when I was a kid. Got the game in a store that sold bootleg PS1 CDs. This was an absolute joy to play!
5:10 Damn, now I kind of want to see a Cat-tle Royal game...
Go on, cover the Shenmue series. From its Virtua Fighter roots, to its Saturn build, to the Dreamcast titles, the Xbox Shenmue II, Shenmue Online, the HD remasters and its eventual rebirth on Kickstarter. Makes for an interesting story and plenty of meat on the bone to dig into.
Not really a what happened tho
Plenty of things happened...
love the series man, ive watched all of them and eagerly await more. Thanks matt!
Was hoping to see you do an episode on this eventually and am glad it's finally happened. Another enjoyable and informative WH episode, as always.
Oh yes, I had good memories w/ this from the ps1 days
My uncle had Thrill Kill on a Mod Disc back in the day for Ps1! Game was fun
No such thing as a MOD disc you had to have your psone chipped first to run those types of rom burnt discs
I actually had this game as a kid a burnet Disc version. I was like 9.... I still remember not getting what is happening and looking back there's no way I should had played it. But than to find out it wasn't actually released is like crazy.
We had one of the leaked copies and a modded PS1 to play it on. I remember we were amazed at how good the four player fighting was, so much that we couldn't believe that a game banking on character shock value had such innovative mechanics.
I remember reading about "Thrill Kill" in magazines...
Yeah, and if I remember right, it wasn’t just articles, but didn’t they get so far as actual print ads too? For all the exposure it got back then, I was surprised when I learned that it never released.
The only game I can think of where there's a midget on stilts who throws punches like Kazuya.
Back then a friend of mine had a version of this game. It was really fun to play and worked quite well with 4 players fighting at once. I liked that it didn't play like any other fighting game.
The whole idea of not trying to deplete an enemies healthbar, but instead trying to fill your power bar first, to be granted godly strength to kill another player, is still so great and unique.
Especially considering that the empowered player had to first catch one of the other players, who could run and dodge away from him, to kill them, and actually punishing them, by resetting their power bar to 0, while all the other players got to keep their power bar progress, if they failed to catch and eliminate a player. Successfully avoiding an powered up opponent in a 1vs1 situation felt almost as good as winning the fight.
Thrill Kill is just one of those PS1 games that has burned itself into forever into my memory.
I'd actually love to see how insane this game would be if they would remake it with todays technology.
I remember wanting this game so fucking bad when i was a kid and being absolutely crushed when it was cancelled. The rumors that it lived on as an underground bootleg just made the sting worse since I had no idea where to get a copy and if it would even play on a regular PlayStation if I did find it and shelled out cash for it.
I'll always be crushed that I never got to play the AO version of the game. The Dominatrix that moans and gives people head before killing them? That shit sounded amazing. Mortal Kombat but actually for adults is an aesthetic I adore and not having it makes me sad. I need anything: a video game, a book, a comic, a tv show, a movie. Anything that can fill the void in my heart.
Would love it if Thrill Kill got released officially in some capacity, possibly a remake or a spiritual successor since it's a 3d arena fighter which you never get any of those anymore and with Capcom's Power Stone series on ice at the moment, what better time than the present... 🤘😀👍
GLISCOR YOU EDITED THIS? Great job dude!!!
I used to own a physical copy of this game back in the 90s.
At the time I was living in a town in the middle of nowhere in South America.
I thought this was just a regular game...
Now I wish I had kept that copy.
I wouldn't hate a reboot of Thrill Kill. The BDSM community has a good aesthetic for a dingy toned fighting game. Modernise it a bit, and I think you have a solid premise.
its funny that you mentioned EAs reputation at the time, as this was one of the major building blocks in the foundation of WHY many people began hating on EA.
I used to work with a guy named Thirlkill. Whenever I had to write his name down I always misspelled it as "Thrillkill" just because of this game. My boss noticed one time but just had me change it.
Some American folks may not realise this but in that Simpsons clip when Ralph says " my knob tastes funny" that over here in the UK and Ireland that saying that would have some ahem " rude" connotations!
Legacy of Kain series, specifically Dead Sun
Me: instantly clicking because I hope to hear about Wu-Tang. 😏
One of my friends had hundreds of pirated PS1 games back in the day, and this was one of them. Never knew we were playing something this special.
Wow... It's so wonderful to learn that much from Thrill Kill! I always wondered what happened, the other videos only said it was canceled but never tried to answer why it was made in the first place and why a completed game was discarded.
Now i can watch the FNF on this game, only in my dreams.
ngl, I'm still salty that the Shaolin Style episode was as shit as it was and got replaced with Third Strike.
ok am I mis-remembering things or was one of the characters named after one of the dev's daughters?
oh no....
You might be remembering Vs. That fighting game by THQ with the girl in the skimpy purple outfit. That girl in the skimpy outfit is based on one of the Dev's daughter (and I'm pretty sure it wasnt his choice, but the character was used as the "sexy mascot" in the advertising)
@@ESpr0ducti0n what other fighting game.
@@iancruz6617 the name is literally Vs. Like, Versus.
@@ESpr0ducti0n literally really why i can't find it even type in the developers still nothing.
I remember seeing ads for Thrill Kill in the old PSX magazine.
Oh sheeit, an educational video on one of my all-time favorite video games!
Did you just photoshop your face onto Jim's??? That is one hell of a fusion right there
Are you foreshadowing an ‘Other M’ episode with 0:26?
Played the hell of my bootleg copy with my friends at the time! So much fun
I remember being in high school when this was released. Me end my pops when to a flea market in the suburbs outside of Chicago and got a burned copy of Thrill Kill (we had went to this same person at that flea market a year earlier and got our PSX modded to play import and burned games). Then I got the Wu-Tang rebranded version. Great times man I swear. Me and my pops talk about that to this day.
The Godfather part 2 video game might be interesting
Needs more yabbos
Nice! I remember having this game in my collection. Never knew it didn't officially release.
A buddy of mine had an actual copy of this game back in 98-99 and we played the hell out of it on his PS1. Dont know how he got ahold of it but had it.