Milwaukee Gen 2 Finish Nailers - What's Been Updated
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- Опубликовано: 14 янв 2022
- With the Gen 2 Finish Nailer’s Milwaukee did three things to improve this.
First, they redesigned the striker (the component that drives the nail) to leave smaller holes in the material when a nail is driven.
Second, they improved all the nail guiding and feeding components to ensure the nail is always in the proper position to be fired within the tool.
Third, they distributed the tool weight in a way to ensure the striker was not
slipping off the nail head while the nail was being driven, which was another factor that led to large holes / double striker marks with the Gen 1 nailer.
Our testing and field use showed Gen 2 to be an improvement.
On earlier testing, we found that the Gen 1 installed fasteners, 3/16th inch off-center, which we felt was the result in too much play in the contact bracket.
Gen 2 does not have this issue.
Milwaukee changed from the wire from tip [rolled wire] to a precision point tip, resulting in WAY better line of sight, and getting the tool into narrower and tighter spots.
Our testing found the contact tip accurate, by lining up the white arrow, we were able to place a nail exactly where we wanted to.
The Gen 2 finish nailers are a little longer than their predecessors.
The slimming down allows the tool to get into corners and tighter spots.
The Gen 1 finish nailers had Milwaukee’s standard, old M18 belt hook.
Milwaukee changed the style of the hook with a larger, better flare-out. They also moved the hook from the tank location to the bottom of the tool.
As a right-handed user we think this hook is ok, not great, here’s why:
Hooking onto a loose tool bag seemed fine, but to hook onto the tool belt, you must look, use a second hand, and maneuver the nailer to engage the clip onto the belt.
Once hung, the nailer hangs better off the belt and is balanced.
When the hook is mounted on the right side of the tool [for left-hand users] the hook works flawlessly.
The battery orientation was changed and is now angled allowing the tool to sit upright, on its battery pack and magazine.
To address this Milwaukee improved all the nail guiding and feeding components to accommodate to be less sensitive to these slightly different manufacturing tolerances.
The Gen 2 nailer magazine holds 110 DA nails from 1-1/2 to 2-1/2” When paired with a 2.0 Ah battery these nailers will install:
750 nails per charge - 15-gauge:
800 nails per charge - 16-gauge
Milwaukee made some big improvements from Gen 1 to Gen 2 regarding thermal protection controls.
Gen 1 would hit thermal protection at approximately 100-150 nails when fired at a fast rate continuously. The Gen 2 Finish Nailers can fire 350-750+ nails continuously depending on how fast you’re firing.
We found both nailers installed finish nails consistently, at the desired set depth.
Throughout our testing, the nailer performed flawlessly with no jams or misfired nails.
The crew loved that there is no “ramp-up time” for this nailer, it placed a nail as fast as we were able to accurately aim, set, and pull the trigger.
The recoil is smoother too.
In the field, we used the nailers mostly with PVC trim.
In the shop, we tested the nailer by fastening different wood species from Oak, Poplar, and plywood.
The results were the same as in the field - we experienced consistent depth, fast fastening, and no nail jams.
There was no issue with toenailing and the nailer was powerful to toenail into the Oak as well.
These finish nailers consistently performed like a pneumatic nailer by driving nails to the proper depth in Oak while leaving clean nail holes matching the head of the nail.
We didn’t experience any jams in our testing. Clearing jams is a simple and easy task by unlatching the “jam latch,” clip on top of the tool nose area.
The LED light will turn on with a trigger pull without the contact bracket engaged, giving you the ability to light your work area before you’ve placed the nose of the tool down and are getting ready to fire.
The LED light is located on the right side of the tool and is bright, but casts a shadow on the left side. As a right-handed user, this is the side I view mostly.
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Great review. Really appreciated you being so thorough listing all the improvements. I brushed this newer gun off because it just seemed like it was gen 1 with improved tip and I already have DeWalt 15ga which has my favorite tip so far. Boy was I wrong and will be sure to check it out when I get the chance!
Thanks Rob always enjoy your reviews. Picked up a 15,18 and 23 this month. No regrets.
What I love about Milwaukee is they are always looking to improve. They listen to their customers. Although I don’t have any of their power tools as I’ve been on the Makita platform for years and couldn’t afford to change now I do love their hand tools and packout systems
I love the no BS reviews. Great job
MAN you’re through!! Sign of a true professional!! I can commit with confidence based on the work you put into your testing!! 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks!
I love how Milwaukee gets it's own tools even better. I cannot wait to see other improvements in new generations of power tools from Milwaukee
Some people feel betrayed especially earlier generations I just end up running both tools or give the old one to the apprentice
@@ConcordCarpenter I get it, but there is no new generation if there is no old. I really do appreciate Milwaukee approach.
Definitely changing mine over to the gen2, my biggest issues are the head size and inconsistent nail depth with my gen 1,love the review thanks heaps.
Thank you for this info. I found it really comprehensive and easy to understand for a new carpenter.
Always the best tool reviews...thanks!
Thx for the review Rob I just bought one
can't wait to try it out tired of tripping over the air hose.
If I am in the market for a new tool my first stop 🛑 is your Chanel. 👍🏻🇨🇦
Another great video, thank you very much for the time and effort you put into each one of them. It really does show :-)
I was looking at the Makita after seeing this i changed mind. Thank you great information. I will be picking one up now after seeing your review.
Ive had the GenII brad nailer some time. Its great! I have the GenII 15ga coming in the mail, your review gives me confidence that i made a good purchase.
The brad nailer is diesel
Bought this because of your review, love it, going to watch your review on the 23gauge nailer also thanks
Has been my best purchase as far as tools go in the last few years, 23g all the way up to 16. Loving Milwaukee’s gear. Great vid again guys, keep it up 👍🏻!!
2 years ago I was forced to but the 2nd generation 18 gauge nailer because I had a job and I needed the nailer right now and that was what they had in the store.
I have bought the 23 & 15 gauge nailers for an upcoming job and I am hoping this is not a mistake
Do your 16ga angled finish nailer Gen II use paslode finish nails?
@@EveryDayCivilianBlog yes I have been using them mostly, and also Porter Cable.
@@ryanhill2348 thank you for the quick response. Always been running the 15Ga nailers and have the Gen I 15Ga but I’m leaning towards the 16Ga and using the paslode nails to replace my Gen 1 15Ga.
Im glued to my cadex 23ga. I think they have patent protection still. It can shoot 23ga headed brad nails up to 2 1/2". The nails are pretty strong too, feels like stainless steel. The only down side is trying to pull them, they often break...
Way better holding power vs a headless pin! Bummer it needs an air hose though...
This m18 15ga nailer is hot on my list. Might be a today thing, if not in a couple weeks.
Great video as always Rob….👍🏼
After hearing about gen1 issues I hesitated but now I’ll pull the trigger
loved the vid. I'm actually just waiting for more light review, most of my work is out on a site with very little to no lighting
That was a good one!!!! (I don’t always use nailers but when I do I like to choose the Milwaukee Brad nailer’s)
Thanks Rob for the updated info. Definitely going to grab them when they're available. I used the gen 1 16 gauge on a trim job in a million dlar house and was annoyed by the big shoe on that nailer. I used the gen 2 18 gauge nailer quite a bit on that job as well. I loved the small nose on it.
I think Milwaukee 23 and 18 ga gen2 nailers are the best battery nailers. 23ga is probably the best pin nailer I ever used, battery or pneumatic. It's just so hard to find a great pin nailer that's not finicky with some nails. My theory is that tolerances are so tight at such a small size, that I think even within brand you can get variations and gun can perform better or worse depending on how lucky you get. I've had that pin nailer for about half a year now and I don't think it jammed on me once yet.
@@Fpsnut I just got the 23 and 15 gauge nailers for an upcoming job and hope that I am not making a mistake
I been eyeing the Milwaukee for a while and I am heavily invested in the red for about 70% and 30% the yellow brand , but I went with the yellow and never regret it, right off the shelf the red was cumbersome and heavy vs the dewalt, of course the dewalt comes with its own annoyances like the winding noise but overall I found I can maneuver easier with the dewalt than the Milwaukee ( too much plastic and bulkiness) both will do the job no doubt, thank you for the reviews , you are the best reviewer when it comes to tools
Love it! Thank you for another great review!
Excelente trabajo Rob
Just bought it a couple days ago. It’s amazing.
I currently own and use Gen 1. Everything you’ve mentioned is true. I’ve learned to set the nail depth to just above the surface and manually setting the nail afterwards. This left a clean hole but added time to the install. Next time there’s a promo, I’ll definitely replace my Gen 1!
Labor day sale at toolnut and they have a promo for the gen 2, just saying!
$239 for Gen 2 15 Gauge Milwaukee in store only right now for Black Friday
Great description, thank you
Most informative tool channel 👍
Great content as usual. Thank you
I just bought all of the gen 2 nailers and stapler, I love them. Far better than the Hitachi nailers.
Well done!
Love your real world reviews!
Definitely plan to get one of the 2 nailers… just having decided which one yet..
Glad you like it
@@ConcordCarpenter does the 16ga Gen II angled nailer accept the paslode nails? They’re the best 16ga nails available so that’s the deal breaker for me.
@@EveryDayCivilianBlog yes
We’re now starting to see , decent battery only finish nailers . I’ve always, sometimes reluctantly bought Paslode, which are great nailers but expensive to run , but inconsistent through the winter months.
Looking forward to a UK 🇬🇧 release date .
And finally lay my Paslode to rest .
Great video as usual!! I love the Michigan hat! Go Blue!!
Thx
Just ordered my 15 gauge gen 2 yesterday can’t wait to retire my Dewalt.
I was looking at the Metabo but it was to much like handling a 7lb brick at the end of your arm. Great review you really helped me make up my mind. Home Depot has it for $359 with my Military Discount. I hope they don't still have the gen I still floating around. That would stink getting the wrong one.
So when is the comparison of the. Manufactures? Can’t wait for the breakdown.
Well Done, thank you
Great video and you made a very good point talking about overload. Never on a job site have I seen someone machine gun style driving nails and it bugs me when some tool "reviewers" are speed nailing on auto mode. Maybe a roofer will want to fully auto drive nails time to tim e but I've never seen that done on a finish nailer.
Its ok to say the gen 1 was garbage, my old man has been maker for many years and the gen 1 made him give up on cordless nailers, but trying this new gen 2 its more pneumatic like. In a shop we'd both still prefer air for size mostly but on a job site or a quick fix the cordless are great.
Same for me in shop
Thanks for someone finally looking at what matters when looking at a finish nailer. The nail hole left. Does the 23 gauge nailer have the same updates to the striker pin? Does it give a clean hole too?
I agree with you on Milwaukee. I watched a recent video comparing Milwaukee, Dewalt and a third one I don’t recall, framing nailer…again, Milwaukee took the blue ribbon. If I wasn’t already Dewalted out, I’d go Milwaukee…will more like than not, replace the Dewalt with Milwaukee as the dewalts deep six.
Thanks Rob 😎🛠️😎🛠️😎
Good video. I always appreciate your channel because you go through it from a contractor, actual-use perspective. One thing I didn't see is if the new lower pressure can still fire through deep, solid hardwood pieces. Did you and your crew try any shots through solid 2" oak just to see if anything got left proud?
Tested into 3/4" oak and 2x4 didnt have 2" Oak - not a real popular application for us
Great Video!! Super informative and detailed. If you had to choose between the 15 and the 16 gauge nailer, which one would you go for? This is my first finishing nailer. Thanks again.
Go with 16ga
Great review! Are you based out of Concord MA? I'm from Worcester but have done some trim work up there with my dad for Greenscape Builders :)
I just ordered mine. Hopefully it's better than the makita one
Nice review, I liked everything about the nailer except the tip. Always been a die hard paslode user but they just don't deliver in oak and ash like the milwaukee does.
great review! how about a comparison of this vs other brands?
Soon
Is there a real need for the 16g vs the 15g nailer? I have the 18g 1/4 stapler and the 18g nailer and just added the 23g nailer to my system. I plan to wrap up my kit with the 18g framer 30 degree but want to get the 15ga first. Which I think is more practical. Do you agree I should take this step because its better or do you have a different option I haven’t considered?
I already have the GEN 2 18 ga nailer. Would you recommend the 15 or 16ga if you had to pick just one to go with the 18 ga nailer?
What nails brand nails were used with the 16 gauge?
GO BLUE!!!
Im looking to get a 18 ga brad nailer im on Ridgid and Milwaukee platform ive been checking out Ridgid clean drive but im still not sure. Im looking for very clean holes since i install trim that has already been finished, painted etc. Actually one of the contractors wants me to use 21ga. Any advice?
question. i just bought the gen 2 16. i cant do oak. is it defective or do alot of pros run into this?
Hi Rob, I primarily sell real estate here in Hawaii but really love doing some remodeling and DYI stuff. I prefer the Milwaukee and Makita lines. I am probably split 80% between Milwaukee and 20% for Makita. I plan on purchasing a framing nailer and a pin nailer later on, but would love to start with the Brad finish nailer now. If you were to choose just one brad finish nailer, which one would you recommend? Thanks in advance!
I‘m not Rob, but I can tell you I bought the gen2 brad nailer from Milwaukee and I‘m more than happy with it. Performance is great, accuracy is a blast.
Idk about the Makita, but I would guess both of them are definitely worth their money.
If you don’t use it too often and for smaller works, maybe also check out the Milwaukee 12V line. They perform great and there is a huge range of tools you can get in 12V ✌️😎
Happy remodeling!
Would you pick the Gen 2 16Ga Milwaukee or the Metabo HPT 16Ga cordless?
Anyone know how it compares to the metabo 15g??
Awesome review Rob? Do you think this nailer would have issues face nailing 3/4 hardwood flooring? I've struggled with the previous models to get those nails to sink in all the way and not jam. Whats your opinion?
I use it on white oak no problems
I'm returning this nailer. It's nice and all but way heavier than other similar tools. The battery makes it even heavier.
So is there a nitrogen cartridge?
Seems to be a running theme with Milwaukee, Gen 1 isn’t very good, after a year or two, they release Gen 2, which is almost perfect, then Gen 3 comes out, and it’s almost stupid to not buy it. In my opinion, that’s what makes them a great brand, and while I’m a DeWalt fan at heart, I’m beginning to become a DeWaukee fan.
Paslode ftw the gas kinda sucks but they work awesome
My 18 gauge gen 2 nailer has developed some crunch noises after the initial punch. The zip noise is there, it sets the nail and then for like a half second there is a crunching noise. Hard to visually see a problem. Any ideas?
None, weird
How do you know if it is a Gen 2?
I am I DIYer and I find that Milwaukee is worth it.
Those who have used these and the yellow alternative: I’ve already got a couple DeWalt batteries and a charger. Think it’s worth it to invest in a new platform to go with the Milwaukee?
Personal choice, they’ve certainly entered and excelled into the carpentry trade tools
Any idea how long/many nails can the gen 2 16 gauge will fire before it will require a nitrogen top up? Can’t find this info anywhere
That’s proprietary info but I did list how many the gen 1 could in that video and article. Just don’t remember, It’s probably same or more.
If you already have the Gen1 should you buy the Gen 2? Is it worth it....?
Yes ditch the Gen 1 as fast as you can. It is a truly awful tool lol
So here goes between the 15 and the 16 gen2 for your one hip quiver which one would you prefer the do all???
15 gives me more options I just need to be careful when nailing into smaller thinner material and would probably just go to a Brad gun
@@ConcordCarpenter Thank you for your input it helped on my decision …keep up the good work !! Two thumbs up 👍🏼 😎👊🏼💯
Have you noticed any loss in power from the nitrogen tank yet. Was just wondered how long this will last before a service Is needed iknow the old sencoslasted bout two hundred thousand pins before a refill
Nothing yet
I was looking to get just one, the 15 or 16 GA, diy homeowner, any recommendations on which on I should grab?
16
@@ConcordCarpenter Would you feel comfortable using 16 for outdoor furniture? Or prefer 15?
15 stainless
M Go BLUE
Nice hat
Will my older batteries work on the gen 2?
Yes
When do you 15 gauge vs 16 gauge nailer
Both
As a left handed person milwaukee doesn't take many things into consideration for other tools like the framing nailer and its hooks which arent switchable
Lefty here in agreement.
If you move the hanger to the other side, the gun no longer fits in a 2 drawer packout box.
I run Hikoki nail guns that are air filled. If they lose pressure my local tool shop can re fill them easily and back to work. The same shop repairs Milwaukee too. If one of their nail guns comes in with lost nitrogen pressure you have two chances. If still under warranty the whole gun is replaced. If out of warranty the gun is written off and you need to purchase a new gun. They can't re pressure them. This may be possible in the States I don't know but is a deal breaker for me here.
That doesn’t seem right , I’ll ask,
I asked Milwaukee they said: - The statement made by the commenter is not at all accurate per any of our service or warranty policies. In fact, a big reason that they are not user serviceable (i.e. nailers need to be sent to Milwaukee for piston/striker/cylinder service) is to ensure that when they are serviced and re-pressurized that it is being completed correctly, to the proper pressure, to ensure service quality. If the tool requires re-pressurization, regardless of whether its within or outside the warranty period, that’s a service we can have the capability to complete and we do regularly as necessary.
In some instances we’ll replace the tool entirely if the service parts required are not in stock. Obviously we try to avoid this situation, but it happens, and when it does we’ll replace the tool to ensure the customer isn’t without their tool for an extended period of time waiting on parts to be back in stock.
Now I can’t speak to or dispute this individuals experience with their distributor. Based on his description, however, sounds like he may be working with a repair shop that isn’t an authorized service center for Milwaukee Nailers and he’s being given incorrect information. That shop does not have the ability to re-pressurize our nailers, but we absolutely have the capability to re-pressurize them within our service network globally.
Hope this helps! ROB
@@ConcordCarpenter Hi Rob Like I said in my initial comment the re gas is probably available in US but I am in Australia. We struggle to get parts for most things and I can only go with what my tool repair shop can do. They are pretty much the only repair shop that does anything to these guns for miles that you would bother to go to and they can't do them. I have spoken to Milwaukee in America myself in the past with other issues and they tell me one thing but refer me back to Oz that tell me something different. In my opinion the fault lies directly with Milwaukee. They tell you they have global repair shops that can do all. No they don't. That is a lie. In Australia most repair shops do most brands if they can get the parts. They are not specifically trained in one brand but do their best with all. The only company I know that repairs its own is Hilti. Possibly if I lived in Sydney or Melbourne I may be able to get the re gas but I live in rural Qld and I am told they can't do it and throw the guns away. Fact.
Angled vs straight?
I have angled - like the access it gives me. USed both
@@ConcordCarpenter ok
I got the angled. Liking it so far
Can we buy this in uk 🇬🇧
Not sure
Yes
Model number different to the States. UK is M18FN15G. £349 from Powertoolmate. I have one on order. Bare tool plus HD Case
These nailers are for small remodeling jobs. Max few hours a day. Even for a few hours a day they’re just heavy, bulky and out of balance. It’s just a pleasure to use my ridgid clean drive 18g after one of these monsters.
You must have chicken arms. What's wrong with you? I can barely wait till they hit Aussie shores.
Busy
They do shoot great but they are 2lbs heavier then the Paslode! I’ll stick with paslode.
That’s the price for not having to deal with gas issues
When it comes to framing gun I'll stick with my passlode even if I have to pay for the gas cartridge, Milwaukee and dewalt too heavy
@@agent7agent759 I absolutely agree
How does the paslode work in colder weather?
@@huejanus5505 they’ve made improvements to it - we covered this in our cordless framer head2head and review on paslode a few years back
If you're going to buy one would it be the 15th or the 16th👍🏻🍻🍺😊
15
Can you please explain why you choose 15 over 16 gauge? Thanks!
@@jeffz6140 I have both. Read article when to use them - link in VID description
Any tool company that puts out a gen 2 in less than a year means they're garbage,dewalt has their gen 1 out for over 6 years and still don't have a gen 2 because they know what they're doing
I use to like you until I saw that damn Michigan hat!😜
Lemme guess OSU?
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does the battery have a slight rattle to it? i just got one and the battery is slightly loose?
nice to see everyone is copying bostitch precision tips, but too bad its not a bostitch so FAIL.