The World's Oldest Carrier? The Fleet Of KLM Royal Dutch Airlines In 2022
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- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2022
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KLM Royal Dutch Airlines is the flag carrier of the Netherlands and is one of the carriers claiming to be the world’s oldest carrier. Its main rival for this title is British Airways. Formed in October 1919, KLM is the oldest airline in the world still operating under its original name, operating its first flight in 1920. On the other hand, British Airways’ claim stems from the fact that its predecessor Aircraft Transport and Travel Limited (AT&T), launched its first international scheduled air service in August 1919.
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I really became found of KLM. Living in Ireland I hate flying from Dublin. It is far from where I live and crowded. But KLM flies twice a day from Cork to AMS and I can connect there. Perfect.
Flew on two of KLM's 737-900s in 2013, between AMS-TLV (PH-BXT and the Skyteam-liveried PH-BXO). Also flew on two of their now-retired aircraft types the same year between YYZ-AMS; the 747-400M (PH-BFE) and the MD-11 (PH-KCE).
My parents have a picture from 20 years ago with two md-11s, 3 747s and a lot of other old planes
@@jemoeder1018 teenage me worked between all these aircraft as a luggage handler and didnt bat an eye. Mature me is angry at teenage me now.
@@dingetjedingetjekoe you were just a teenager looking for some money to be made and considering those planes were common place back then anyone would do the same really
I flew on their 747-400 in Feb 2019, and I was lucky enough to be invited to visit the cockpit after we’ve landed in HKG. I still have fond memories of the 747s.
How come y’all never mentioned the MD-11 on the part of KLM’s past fleet like when you mentioned the 747?
This airline has 109 aircraft at the moment. In the KLM widebody fleet, all 11 Airbus A330s will be retired in 2025. As for the narrowbody, all 10 Boeing 737-700s are prematurely about to be retired by this year.
No KLM has a fleet of 166 aircrafts, you are forgotten KLM Cityhopper. KLM and KLM Cityhopper are the same
@@queercastlimburg but that fleet website was not included KLM Cityhopper
@@queercastlimburg Sir. “The same airline”, nope.
• Separate legal entities
> Yes, they cooperate, and present as “The heart of KLM group”, but certainly not as the same airline.
• Separate AOC’s, Koninklijke Luchtvaartmaatschappij Nederland N.V. holds NL-AOC-3/223; KLM CityHopper B.V. holds NL-AOC-2/142. (AOC = Airline Operator Certificate)
• The fleet of the airline, is the aircrafts registered to the legal entity, being operated on a specific AOC.
All is fun and games, but let’s not start redefining terms. A fleet is a fleet.
I do agree CityHopper is way more interesting, but if I’d follow your logic, we’d end up including the KLM Cargo and TransAvia fleets and then jump to AirFrance. Because all ends up in the same legal entity..
It’s a mess
@@queercastlimburgAre KLM Asia included too
Just a heads-up: KL will start reconfiguring their 777's and 787's in a four-class cabin config. A new Premium Comfort class will be added between Business class and Economy Comfort somewhere in late 2022
It's three classes; Business, Premium Comfort and Economy. Economy Comfort is merely a seat upgrade available to Economy Class passengers. It is not a separate travel class.
KLM was originally a mostly Douglas carrier. Having flown almost all types.
Ehmm well they used to be an all Fokker aircraft carrier. but your right about the douglas that they used it a lot for long distance flights , the first Long distance air trip between amsterdam to Batavia was done in a DC2 . they called the Uiver.
@@marcusfranconium3392 No true, the first long distance airtrip by KLM was done by a fokker F7a on November 24 1924 with registration H-NACC. By the time KLm got their first DC2 the line was flown couple of times a week by Fokker aircraft for years.
@@FerrySwart First longe range Flight between londen and australia contest KLM DC-2 Uiver .
@@marcusfranconium3392 KLM did that race with the Uiver DC2 yes but you say flying from amsterdam to batavia (current day Jakarta) wasn;t a long range trip??? They did that years before the DC2 flew to Australia and from 1929 they did it on a schudule once or twice a week.
@@FerrySwart I suggest get an avaition book of records and when was what , as you have no FFNG clue. .
Had a blast on KL601 march 30th 2018
PH-BFN 78A upper deck
But when you look at today.
I would dare to say its a bit dull with twins
There's an excellent TV series that in English speaking markets is titled "King of the Skies" that chronicles the early days of KLM. It focuses on the rivalty between the founder of KLM and the plane maker Fokker.
Singapore airlines next pls! The second biggest fleet of A380s
And the biggest carrier of a350
@@scottishtransportvideos264 he said second that why
one of the best high quality and steady operators!!
AT&T is both an former airline (for Britain at least) and a telecommunications company (in the US)
Great video, could you make a Video about the fleet of LCCs and ULCCs, if one airline a bit boring than maybe all of Europe oder NA in one Video.
The irony that an article came out earlier this week about KLM being 700million in the red.
Also can you do a long haul video about how Schiphol became the busiest airport in europe.
Flew on a 777-300 from AMS - IAD, 2-2-2 business class at the time but still good seats!
Also the little ceramic houses filled with gin they give you are super cool!
4:31 The AMS-DMM flight also continue to Muscat MCT
KLM's A330 replacement is more 787-10's and the 777-200ER replacement is most likely going to be either the A350-900 or the 777-9, however the 777-300ER's are going to be replaced a few years after and of course those are bigger which would make it more likely that KLM is going for the A350-900 as replacement for the 777-200ER and the A350-1000 for the 777-300ER
By the looks of it they'll go all airbus. It's far more logical to replace the 330's with 330 NEO's after the 737's replacement to 320's. A 320 pilot needs minimal training for being certified for a 330 NEO, and with more than 100 320's in their (combined) future fleet, it makes a lot more sense. And KLM had a lot of issues with new Boeing 787 from the South Carolina plant. The newest 330 NEO is available in a short flight configuration. Ideal for KLM with their home-base (Schiphol) that's currently declining their flight-slots.
1:00 - The irony of going from the announcement of excluding something and then directly segue into “This is Long Haul…” is basically defeating the whole concept of Long Haul. Call it “This is a Short Hop by Simple Flying”.
as a Dutch consumer, I'm thrilled to see KLM ordering A320 aircraft. In general I find them more comfortable than the 737. With business class it doest really matter, but with economy, I tend to prefer Airbus planes, also when it comes to wide bodies.
more comfy? yeah sure, dream on. they've the same space as a 737.
@@jouniairplanevideos nope, a320s are slightly wider, so the seats are also slightly wider.
@@mgrides27 but seat pitch is shorter. so no improvement!
nahhh we want boeing fuck aribus. Its like audi and bmw u cant choose both. In this case they can fuck off with there crashable airbus shit planes
I find the A320 more comfortable than the 737 as well, because of slightly wider seats. However, the 787 is now my favorite plane to fly. The big windows, the better atmosphere, pressure and humidity, and its ability to get past hub and spoke. I hope they replace the 777's and A330's with 787's, especially since Boeing will be creating ER versions of the -9 and -10.
So has the 777-8 program been officially scrapped yet? Because I think it would make a fitting replacement for not only KLM 772s but for BA and United as well given that BA has purchase options for 24 additional 777Xs and United has a huge -200 fleet to replace.
Looking forward to flying on the KLM 787-10 from LAX to AMS in November. My guess is that they will stay with 787's as they replace the A330's and 777-200ER. Now that Boeing is looking to create ER models of the 787 it makes best sense. Less need for pilot training and more flexibility for the fleet.
What a mess airlines only good in replace planes
10:00 it's not KLM's decision. Ben Smith decided this after Elbers was fired (until his period ends).
100:00
Air Greenland next? Pretty diverse fleet with both airplanes and helicopters
Can you do a video about qantas current fleet
I think that KLM chose the airbus 320 Neo series over the 737 max series because of the 2 crashes back in 2018 and 2019. They might want to shift to more Airbus airplanes as well.
Also Airbus is a French Company and the head-office is in Leiden, a Dutch city
What a idiots
Enjoyed this video although back ground music could do with being lowered a bit
Now I want KLM to get the 777x because i love the 777 family
for replacement of the 777-300er indeed it would be. But for the 200er the most closet thing is the 350-900 or probably wait until Boeing makes the 787-10er🤷♂
@@sergiolaurencio7534 true
@@theoriginalbro0741 although their 300er is still very young thouith
Latam would be a nice airline to be covered
Hey guys, any chance of turning your "Long Haul" videos into a podcast on Spotify alongside your weekly with Jo and Tom?
The A350-900 could be the perfect replacement for the 777-200ER if they ever need a replacement. It has a similar capacity and an even greater range.
the A330-900 Neo wide body jet is popular with small full service carriers on a budget . . . for e.g. Air Lingus & Virgin Atlantic . . . speaking of narrow body jets KLM should opt for a fleet of 68 brand new A321-200 Neo LR only & not the A320-200 Neo . . . and the remaining 33 brand new A321-200 Neo LR will go to Transavia . . .
the best airline
No it’s far from good sir they have a bad reputation
@@willemlenteren1485 They don't and you know they don't. You've stated you like Delta better, but Delta themselves like KLM better.
I hope KLM stays classic with the Boeing's
yay klm news
Qantas next!
Probably moving more to airbus with troubles of the 737/ 787 with boeing and the overall move of ordering a320s as well as the bigger airline in the group, air france is more of an airbus airline so the entire group gets more commonality
KLM ❤ 🇳🇱🔝
KLM has been using the A330 on smaller demand routes, perhaps the A321XLR could replace it in that role, which might’ve been another reason to pick the NEO over the MAX. Perhaps they’ll also get the 787-8 to make sure the gap in capacity between aircraft types isnt too big
Makes sense, since routes from AMS to North America are easily reachable for A321XLR.
smith forced those neo's into KLM's ass
can i request a philippine airlines of this long haul episode i want to see the "asia's oldest airline"
KLM choose the A320Neo family because they wanted the 737 Max 10 and Boeing couldn't give them an exact date when the version would be available. Airbus could, apparently.
The only memory I have with KLM is the Tenerife air crash caused by their captain…
Wel apart eigenlijk dat we met klm altijd meer banden hebben gehad met het Amerikaanse Boeing dan met ons eigen Europese airbus
Im here because I tracked a KLM B777 that carried my package from Amsterdam to Johannesburg
Would be soon flying the KLM 777-300er BOM to AMS 9hrs.
They can simply go for the a330-300 and 777-300er
I like there name
What about Qantas - the longest continually operating airline
Thanks for the feedback! - LR
I mean if boeing really is going for the production with the B777-8 maybe KLM will go for that
Consider doing a video about Air Algérie ❤🤍🇩🇿
I like the Boeing 737 fleet
I thought Avianca was second oldest airline in the world.
KLM is a subsidiary of air france now. They have no claim to oldest anything. It's like Hawaii claiming to be a country.
@@fedoraphill8599 It's part of a new group, but also still exists on its own. Be less full of shit.
I think they will replace the a330 with the 787 - 8 and 200er with 787 - 10er, that is unless they decided to switch to the a350
The 787-10 is the perfect replacement for their 330-300 in my opinion( whit the condition they put it 2-4-2 configuration) It has the same range, but more capacity, efficiency, quiet, modern, etc. For the 330-200, as it was explained in the video, or the 787-8 or the 330-800neo, but I am not sure. For the 777-300er, indeed the 777X, although they are still very young. And for the 777-200er, the only closet replacement is the 350-900 and probably the future 10er. But let see what they said
a350 won't come any time soon or later to klm
Surprised you didn't bring in the A350 as a possible replacement for the 777 and A333.
Because , they aready have a replacement. The 787-8 and 787-9
KLM IS REQUESTED TO KINDLY START FLYING DAILY FROM AMSTERDAM TO AMRITSAR ( ATQ ) PUNJAB , INDIA AS SOON AS POSSIBLE PLEASE .
KLM probably chose the a320neo because it could get them delivered faster. we have seen something like this in Allegiant air.
The A320 has a larger order backlog than the max so it doesn't really seem that way.
it's due to french government giving bailout to AF KLM
@@woodduck2178 Backlog isn't everything. Price (government subsidies) and rate of production matter. I think Boeing is still struggling to get back on its feet after the MAX issues and various supplier problems from the pandemic lockdowns.
If you have a bunch of old aircraft getting close to a heavy maintenance ($ ca ching) you take what you can get.
no smith likes to bully KLM and Elbers
Very interesting decision to switch from 737 to A320. That'll require pilot retraining, won't it? I presume they'll do that at an Air France simulator because of their experience with Airbus.
I flew with KLM once on the Schipol to Nairobi leg of Dublin to Mombasa back in May 2005. It was an older cabin layout with television screens over the aisles and radio content on the headphones as well. I went through the radio content about 3 times in the flight and the movie was some fantasy thing I didn't really care for. The return leg with Kenya Airways was far better because it had screens in the back of the seats with a lot more entertainment choice.
The problem with the new A320 order is that it still is unclear, even for personnel, whether KLM chose this themselves or got forced into a deal by Air France. It's widely known within KLM that Ben Smith (CEO Air France-KLM group) wants KLM to seize to exist and fly under Air France, although KLM is thoroughly fighting against it
@@joeboogert7055 it's a decision from Smith. KLM's statement was about MAX10 not be certified yet. But the 747, 777 and 787 had the same thing. Ordered before certified. Also KLM just need to use the current 737 fleet of 20 -700, 32 -800, 5 -900 to 22 MAX8, 34 MAX9 and 10 MAX-10. That was big enough. Or 16 MAX8, 28 MAX9 an 12-14 MAX10. That was enough for there extra capacity. KLM isn't allowed to maintain airbus planes (frence do airbus maintenance). So it's political.
@@jouniairplanevideos of course it's a Smith decision, no denying that. There are some spots for KLM maintenance crew to go to Hamburg soon to get training on A320 neo family, so France won't be doing their maintenance luckily... The last time a French jet was in a Dutch hangar, the aircraft was deemed not fit to fly and wasn't able to leave Schiphol because of it
@@joeboogert7055 really? so engines and other realated stuff wich are done by (airbus frence, boeing the Netherlands) agreement doesn't work anymore?
@@jouniairplanevideos apparently not anymore, your average A check will be performed at Schiphol by the time the planes will be delivered
cause airbus is somewhat owned by the state of France and Air France is also owned by them soo it might not look like it is making sense but it inded is making for them
KLM is owned by air france. Therefore they are not an independent carrier and have no claim.
They choose airbus because it’s simply so much better then Boeing !!…..and that max story……..it clearly showed that Boeing didn’t hesitate to sacrifice people over profit!!…..even Boeings workers themselves said..”I would never fly one of those !”…well I guess it says it all!!
Qantas is the oldest continuously operated airline.
no you are banned from flying klm
It's a year younger than KLM, how can they be the oldest continuously operating airline when KLM never suspended service?
The A220 should be the choice for their short haul fleet. It surpasses hands down the Embraer offerings.
They already operated the original ejet family, so for fleet commonality the e2 made sense
3-2 better than 2-2, probably not. They just have the same quit engine and the E2 is already in their fleet and is even more efficient
Another reason might be because they are in Air France-KLM and Airbus is based in Toulouse in France so the french government might be helping Air France-KLM etc to purchase.
smith hate klm and Elbers that's why
Why didn’t KLM choose the MAX?
Hi
Scandinavian Airlines next?
I suspect they may go for the A359 to replace their B772s and A332s.
No A359 ad these do not fit the longhaul strategy. KLM will stick to the 777/787 fleet and they are flown with the same pilot pool making the fleet very flexible. The strategy is two types for longhaul with a single pilot pool.
@@jeromeprins6164 let wait to see what happens
I think KLM would make a decision to slowly retiring all the Boeing 772 before 2030. The aircraft replacement might be B787, B777X or A350 since KLM B772 average age of fleet are nearly 20 years old.
"KLM Deep Dive" (No, not literally)
KLM 💙 Easily among the best in Europe, if not the best.
It’s a mess up airliner sir
@@willemlenteren1485 how?
@@ryan_dave7 Don't bother. He's never seen a KLM plane from the inside. Only inside his own mind KLM lives rent free in his mind.
Im surprised that they still fly the a330s and havent replaced them with more efficient aircraft like a33N, a350 or the 787
Personally I think they would suit the A359
They had an order for A350 but swapped it with Air France for 787s - presumably for fleet commonality.
@@MarcusNesbitt4 I’m aware but it would’ve suited better for the a330 pilots as it would’ve been smooth transition for them! The same with Aer Lingus they should’ve never gave the a350 to Iberia
@@malvinjnrn7784 they’re moving away from airbus for longer haul flights i think
cathay next please!
Why KLM doesn’t have Airbus A380…???
4:18 i do suggest all the airlines that owns a330-200 or-300, should use a330neos to replace them
let's see what happens, there are many options available. But in my opinion, the 787-10 is a good replacement for the 330-300( whit the condition of 2-4-2 in economy) It has the same range, but more capacity, efficiency, quiet, modern, etc. But again, it is just my opinion. They would know what to do. And yes, by going for the 330neo would get less work for training.
Not me. The 787 is a much better passenger environment. So glad Hawaiian is going to start replacing their A330's with 787's.
Whey they just replace dc10 and now again?
Garuda Indonesia predecessor
..At this particular moment it is difficult to tell which new wide body aircraft will be ordered by KLM to replace the aging Boeing 777-200 fleet, the Airbus A330-200 and Airbus A330-300 fleet..
Options are the new Airbus A330-800 NEO and Airbus A330-900 NEO, as well new option purchase for Boeing 787-800, Boeing 787-900 and Boeing 787-1000.. Maybe later this year there will be more clear about their new option for the wide body fleet..
Completely surprising is indeed the purchase by KLM of the Airbus A320 NEO as a middle long and short distance fleet carrier in the narrow body fleet, to comletely replace the aging Boeing 737 fleet.. Maybe also the longer A321 NEO will join the fleet as well, but this is uncertain at this point.. An option would be the new A220-300 NEO..
For sure is, that it is a well known, a proven good aircraft that flies with many operators world wide..
Problems with the Boeing 737-MAX has decided customers to look out for an optional replacement of their aging Boeing 737 fleet, so they had two best options.. That was the new Embreaer E195 E2 and the Airbus A320/A321 NEO.. In some cases even a mix of these two named aircraft in their narrow body fleet..
The Embreaer E-series is produced with parts of Fokker..
We will see what the KLM fleet will be look like with the joining of new purchased aircraft in the near future..!!
..I flew in my holidays in 1999 and 2000 with the Boeing 757-2K2 (B757-200), PH-TKD, of Transavia to Nikos Kazantzikas International Airport at Crete, Greece, from Maastricht Aachen Airport.. A relative large, wonderful, and well shaped aircraft to look at and to fly with.. It is the largest aircraft in the world in the narrow body class..
In 2001 I flew with a Boeing 737-700 of Transavia to Crete, from Maastricht Aachen Airport with a stopover at Rotterdam, to pick up some more passengers..
The fleet of four Boeing 757-200 went out of service of Transavia in 2004 and had being replaced with Boeing 737-800 at that time..
The Boeing 757-2K2 was a very comfortable aircraft to fly with..
The much smaller Boeing 737 is quite more bumpier during flights and more effective for winds..
In 2002 I flew with my parents in a Boeing 777-200ER of Malaysian Airlines to Kuala Lumpur, with a stop over, and switched in Kuala Lumpur to an Airbus A330-200 for the last leg of our journey to Soekarno Hatta International Airport at Jakarta, Java, Indonesia..
We went back from our holiday from Denpasar International Airport, Bali, Indonesia with a Boeing 737-700 of Malaysian Airlines and after a stopover in Kuala Lumpur International Airport, again with the Boeing 777-200ER..
Excellent service on board and very comfortable flights..!!
In 2007 I flew with a Boeing 777-300ER of Emirates from Düsseldorf International Airport to Soekarno Hatta International Airport at Jakarta, Indonesia, via Dubai and Colombia, Sri Lanka and with a last stop over in Singapore.. A long flight of twenty hours.. And also returned in the same way back through Düsseldorf International Airport..
Nowdays, luckily, there are direct flights trough Jakarta..
A very stabile and comfortable aircraft to fly with..
Excellent service on board and definitely one of my favourite operators to fly with..!!
Air france forced them to buy Airbus, because French DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, like KLM had a choice 🙄
As for the reason why KLM decided for Airbus narrowbodies. Besides the obvious reason, to have the same type as Air France operates, I think their might be another reason. I wouldn't be suprised if KLM would try to replace some of their triangle routes in the Caribbean with direct flights. AUA, BON, SXM and POS come to mind. With the A321XLR, at least SXM should be possible. AUA and BON are questionable due to range, I must admit. Even more interesting in the search for cost reduction would be the possibility to move those flights to Transavia.
work of smith, the greatest bully of th whole group
Sounds like they went with the company that gave out the most discount 🤔
KLM should’ve stayed standalone. I have a feeling a demerger from AF will happen at some point.
KLM makes money.
Air france doesnt.
But there are routes that you just cannot close.
true, that's why the neo's are coming along. also why Elbers must leave KLM
British Airways was founded in 1974. It´s pure Nonsense that she is the oldest Airline in the World.
From holland here. Ever since america 1st talks we liked european made planes better, besides that the 737 max scam plane has a really bad rap. I would not board one.
Wonder if KLM can order more 787-10 and put them on a 2-4-2 configuration( I need another airline obedient to the rules of comfort) to replace the 330-300. I think it is just the perfect place, it has the same range and little more capacity but is better in many ways, modern, and efficient. ( and I hope my comment doesn't hurt any Airbus fans) and yes, probably the 330-800neo or the 787-8 for their 330-200. While for the 777-200er, they can wait for Boeing to make the 787-10er or probably go for the 350-900 whit is currently the most indicate replacement for the 777-200.
Great airline hindered by Boeing’s ineptness.
The transition to Airbus is a good move to improve on commonality in the Group as the Airbus aircraft are more reliable. The A350 and the A330-NEO-900 are possible replacement aircraft for its 777 and 787 fleet
it's not good, KLM is not a brand of airfrance. so they choose their on planes like in the past. they want boeing but smith forced this ofcourse
They will stay with the 787 and use the 787-10er to replace the 200's. Maybe at some point, they will go 777x. IT will be more efficient and cost effective especially in terms of pilot training. I think the 787 will be their main wide body....not worth bringing Airbus into that world, though I support the A320 move.
Why would they want to do that? The 787 manages to cover both the capabilities of the a350 and a330neo efficiently.
the 787-9 replaces the a330 while the 787-10 replaces the 777-200's ,
no need of increasing complexity by adding two different aircrafts like the 350/330neo while you could use a single aircraft like the 787 to efficiently serve their routes
I would avoid Air China 🇨🇳 not just past crash 737 I ment their government
They will fit the airbus A320neo with the CFM Leap, fleet standardization, cost reduction, and modern technology. KLM never opted for the Max which still is basically a 50 year old design.
KLM did has very good talks with boeing. but bully smith has to do something against Elbers and KLM
90000K
I am proud to be dutch
KLM should move to the Airbus A 330-900 and the A 350-1000 which would keep it in tandem with Air France. Moving to the A320/21 is a very good move
It's a very bad thing, planes wich has a skin damage and strange updates on flightcontrols and a massive frence ego of Smith and airfrence are very bad for KLM. Those would like to make KLM a blue af plane. Just a name. We must prefent them for taking over Schiphol and KLM
Shame for KLM, but dominated bij air france, they had to go for airbus ! Stupid , all their experienced pilots on Boeing have to fly french airbus
indeed aklso technicains wich may not work on airbus cause that;s a rule within the group. boeing maintenace at KLM and airbus at af
Pandemic is unlikely to be the cause since they took 2 77Ws last year
merger klm airfrance
that isnt an merger idiot
KLM fleet plan:
Replace all A330s with 11 787-9s
Replace the 777-200ER with 15 787-10ERs.
Compliment/Replace the 777-300ER with an order of 10 777-9s. The 777-9 will replace 4 777-300ERs that are then converted into freighters to replace the 747-400ERF/BCF.
BA is not the oldest
Garuda Indonesia next?
Maybe it's because dying for the MAX would be a huge waste!
not decent comment but not wrong also
o.o
Of course they chose the 320/321 over the 737! Long overdue if you ask me. I guess KLM just woke up to reality and realised Airbus planes are better economically and more customer friendly at the same time.
hahahaha, what a joke!! you've a "good" reality Smith forced this down Elbers an KLM's asses.
KINDLY START FLYING TO ATQ AMRITSAR PUNJAB INDIA .
guesses why KLM went for the 320?
Well Airbus is essentially based in France, so Air France can never make the switch to boeing.
To keep 73's at KLM is just bad economy of scale.
it's the work of bully smith
nooo why tf they adding airbus. boeing is way cooler and better