That off-center hole is purposely made that way so if you ever have to drill a hole to a close edge of something it might break it since you would not have where to rest that small edge and it could break due to too much flex. I like it the way they made it. I think is a nice feature rather than a fault.
Thanks for the info! I've never seen that before on a drill press or a drill stand. That's why I automatically considered that a flaw. But here's a thought: Why not make the hole smaller and centered then?
Robert's Smorgasbord Perhaps to allow more room for shavings to escape when milling? (I have the IBS/E and MB200 myself, and agree with pretty much your entire assessment of them, by the way!)
I don't mind tuning a product to make it better. I bought a Sealey arbor press late last year and spent a lot of time and some money tuning it to make it better. It is now absolutely excellent! I love it. I think I will buy this Proxxon item and make it better if necessary. Thanks for the video.
You're welcome! What did you buy? The little Sealy PK500 or something bigger? Anyway, as much as I love to tinker with my tools, the issues with MB 200 were just annoying. Meanwhile I've actually managed to fix it (Proxxon Micromot MB 200 Drill Stand Mid-Travel Jamming Fix ruclips.net/video/bmnKAnYFkbk/видео.html ) - the set screw they used to hold the gear in place was too long!
Hi, thanks very much for your excellent and detailed review!! I'm considering buying a proxxon drill (IBS/E or Micromot 230/E, not sure really of the differences between those two) with a stand like the MB200. What do you think of it, 1year after your review? Happy or maybe happier that the original mixed feelings? Thanks again!
You're welcome! First about the drills: The IBS/E has a metal housing at the front that holds/contains the bearings (see the teardown video: ruclips.net/video/ff_UDd46d5o/видео.html ), the 230/E is all plastic. So the IBS/E is the more sturdy - and more expensive - choice. The 230/E is lighter (270g compared to the 500g of the IBS/E) and also more slender (easier to hold in your hand). Regarding the MB 200: You can make it work (see the fix for my specific problem: ruclips.net/video/bmnKAnYFkbk/видео.html - other people experienced different problems), it will do certain jobs quite all right (e.g. drilling printed circuit boards with a IBS/E), but it's not a drill stand that "feels" really good me. You could try the MB 140/S drill stand instead - if you can still get it. It seems to me there's a lot less that could go wrong with that one.
@@robertssmorgasbord thanks very much! Yes I looked at your teardown video of the MB200, very instructive :) if I buy it, I'll know what to do. I'll have a look at the MB140 too. I need it for drilling small housework and for my wife who want to do some home made jewellery (little stones, sea shells..) so with a minimum of precision. I was also thinking of buying the flexible shaft 110/BF.
@@robertssmorgasbord and thanks for the info regarding 230 vs IBS. Did not know that. Is is bad that the body is plastic? Just watching your teardown video of the IBS, your videos are just a must. :)
@@liryco8795 Actually I do have the 110/BF flexible shaft and used it a few times together with the IBS/E. The IBS/E is fixed to the table with an UHZ universal holder when I use it that way. That combo works actually quite well and I can recommend it for the stuff your wife is doing. The business end of the 110/BF is of course even smaller than the 230/E and much easier to hold and control with one hand. One last remarks: The IBS/E has 100W, the 230/E 80W.
@@liryco8795 Thank's for the praise! In itself the plastic body is not necessarily a disadvantage. It's certainly one reason the 230/E is so light (besides containing only a 80W motor, the IBS/E has a 100W one). My personal preference is to have metal where "the rubber meets the road". BTW The metal front of the IBS/E contains two bearings. I suspect (don't know for sure) that the 230/E has only one.
@@Transcendental9 Now, seriously, English is my second language and obviously (no pun intended) I do not script my videos. Sometimes I just get stuck on a word or a phrase while shooting a video and I keep using it again and again 😅
I (mostly) agree. Watching my videos from 2 or more years ago now, I often find them too lengthy too. Regarding the boilerplate stuff: One person's boilerplate stuff is another person's valuable information 😉
After watching your videos too many times, i got an MB200 for myself. I use it with the wonderful LBS/E my amazing fiancee got me as a present, for joinery in miniature woodwork - together with the MS4 vice, Proxxon branded ELA burrs and Proxxon/Dremel/??? drills . I was so nervous when i got it, but apart from having to file a little bit from the fence where it meets the base (and now i have a passable 90 degree angle) it did not have the problems you - and many reviewers, for that matter - tend to have. Guess i'm lucky. With the long necked Proxxon rotary tool i can get a better view of where i'm working, i can also set the MB200 higher (i don't have the best lighting situation either) so it all works great ! I also use the Dremel Stylo+ - with various sanding bits - and the Proxxon DSH scroll saw. What a great pair of videos. Cheers !🍻
I myself use the MB 200 in conjunction with the IBS/E, mostly for drilling printed circuit boards. Anyway, I guess not every MB 200 leaving some anonymous, probably Asian factory is faulty. It's just that there's obviously no quality assurance in place at all. Fortunately the electric tools (IBS/E, LBS/E etc.) are still made in Europe. Regards, Robert
Thanks for sharing all the steps and fiddiling around, very informative video, this gives the whole picture on what to expect from this tool when buying it.
You're welcome! I got a lot of comments on my MB 200 videos and many of them are complains about the build quality (in a later video I finally fix the major issues with mine). These issues range from it being assembled with a wrong grub screw (mine) to the dovetail ways not being completely machined.
Ich wünschte die führung würde immer lotrecht bleiben, sodass man zb. bei einer 90° drehung den schleifer waagerecht herabsenken würde. Zum geführten schneiden sicher hilfreich, sodass die dünnen korundscheiben nicht mehr so leicht brechen...
Mit diesem Bohrständer sollte das eigentlich gehen. Der Kopf ist ja extra dafür um 90° schwenkbar. Die Führung sollte prinzipiell auch gut genug dafür sein. Habe übrigens das Problem mit der Führung irgendmann gelöst: ruclips.net/video/bmnKAnYFkbk/видео.html
@@robertssmorgasbord Naja drehung um 90° geht natürlich, aber der Hebel dreht sich mit und die Bewegungrichtung der Halterung somit auch. Der Schleifer lässt sich also immer in axialer Richtung bewegen, nie seitlich. Und schneiden mit Trennscheiben geht so ja nicht. Das habe ich gemeint...
@@MrZer000 Ah, jetzt verstehe ich. Ja, das klappt mit diesem Bohrständer natürlich nicht. Habe mir gerade meinen grossen BFB 2000 Fräsständer angeschaut, aber da ist das genau so. Ich glaube die Wabeco Bohr-/fräsständer können das: www.wabeco-remscheid.de/ubersicht-bohrstander
@@robertssmorgasbord Ja die hatte ich auch bemerkt, sind nur recht teuer. Man könnte natürlich auch einen Aufnamenadapter bauen: Eine Stange auf den Bohrständerdurchmesser drehen, am anderen Ende eine 22er Querbohrung rein und schlitzen.
Good for you 🙂 So not all of these drill stands are lacking. Maybe I should have returned mine too ... but then I couldn't have made all the follow-up videos about it 😉
Hallo Rene! Vielen Dank für die Rückmeldung! Kurze Frage: Du meintest sicher "Emotionslos und UNmotiviert", und nicht wie Du geschrieben hast "Emotionslos und moviert", oder?
I encountered all of the issues that Robert shows, plus one more: The opening for the tool was about 19mm. This is really strange, because the tool holder is a casting that's then machined. To make matters worse, the cast aluminum tool holder is harder than the material on the tool, so any bit of force fit badly damages to collar on the tool.
Yeah, those Micromot MB 200 drill stands are not the finest work of Proxxon. Or more to the point: The production quality is total crap. I wonder when Proxxon will realize that if you move your production to e.g. China, you also have to move a quality assurance engineer there. But the opening only milled open to 19mm? But then, another person wrote in the comments that the dove tail guides were not milled completely through.
@@robertssmorgasbord Do you know whether their TBM115 drill press is any better? I am deciding between return/replacement of the MB 200 and fixing anything that's wrong with the replacement (check the opening before trying to insert the rotary tool, deburring as needed, replacing the set screw, resetting the lever position), vs. buying the TMB115 and using a cheap rotary tool for other things, vs. who knows. I'm not seeing many options for a small drill press that will do a good job on small holes.
@@flammen-herz Hello Rene! Habe schon auf Deinen anderen Kommentar geantwortet ... Auch für diese Rückmeldung vielen Dank. Und auch zu dieser Rückmeldung ahbe ich eine Frage: Meintest Du "Er ist kein Deutscher, ..." oder "Er ist ein Deutscher, ..." (Du hattest "Er ist keinDeutscher, ..." geschrieben)?
That off-center hole is purposely made that way so if you ever have to drill a hole to a close edge of something it might break it since you would not have where to rest that small edge and it could break due to too much flex. I like it the way they made it. I think is a nice feature rather than a fault.
Thanks for the info! I've never seen that before on a drill press or a drill stand. That's why I automatically considered that a flaw. But here's a thought: Why not make the hole smaller and centered then?
Robert's Smorgasbord Perhaps to allow more room for shavings to escape when milling?
(I have the IBS/E and MB200 myself, and agree with pretty much your entire assessment of them, by the way!)
Robert's Smorgasbord What really puzzles me is what the similar size holes near the back are, next to the steel column.
Ovi Bucur I don't exactly understand the reason for the hole to be off centred. Would you mind trying to explain again please ? Thanks very much :)
I don't mind tuning a product to make it better. I bought a Sealey arbor press late last year and spent a lot of time and some money tuning it to make it better. It is now absolutely excellent! I love it. I think I will buy this Proxxon item and make it better if necessary. Thanks for the video.
You're welcome! What did you buy? The little Sealy PK500 or something bigger? Anyway, as much as I love to tinker with my tools, the issues with MB 200 were just annoying. Meanwhile I've actually managed to fix it (Proxxon Micromot MB 200 Drill Stand Mid-Travel Jamming Fix ruclips.net/video/bmnKAnYFkbk/видео.html ) - the set screw they used to hold the gear in place was too long!
Hi, thanks very much for your excellent and detailed review!!
I'm considering buying a proxxon drill (IBS/E or Micromot 230/E, not sure really of the differences between those two) with a stand like the MB200. What do you think of it, 1year after your review? Happy or maybe happier that the original mixed feelings? Thanks again!
You're welcome! First about the drills: The IBS/E has a metal housing at the front that holds/contains the bearings (see the teardown video: ruclips.net/video/ff_UDd46d5o/видео.html ), the 230/E is all plastic. So the IBS/E is the more sturdy - and more expensive - choice. The 230/E is lighter (270g compared to the 500g of the IBS/E) and also more slender (easier to hold in your hand). Regarding the MB 200: You can make it work (see the fix for my specific problem: ruclips.net/video/bmnKAnYFkbk/видео.html - other people experienced different problems), it will do certain jobs quite all right (e.g. drilling printed circuit boards with a IBS/E), but it's not a drill stand that "feels" really good me. You could try the MB 140/S drill stand instead - if you can still get it. It seems to me there's a lot less that could go wrong with that one.
@@robertssmorgasbord thanks very much! Yes I looked at your teardown video of the MB200, very instructive :) if I buy it, I'll know what to do. I'll have a look at the MB140 too. I need it for drilling small housework and for my wife who want to do some home made jewellery (little stones, sea shells..) so with a minimum of precision. I was also thinking of buying the flexible shaft 110/BF.
@@robertssmorgasbord and thanks for the info regarding 230 vs IBS. Did not know that. Is is bad that the body is plastic?
Just watching your teardown video of the IBS, your videos are just a must. :)
@@liryco8795 Actually I do have the 110/BF flexible shaft and used it a few times together with the IBS/E. The IBS/E is fixed to the table with an UHZ universal holder when I use it that way. That combo works actually quite well and I can recommend it for the stuff your wife is doing. The business end of the 110/BF is of course even smaller than the 230/E and much easier to hold and control with one hand. One last remarks: The IBS/E has 100W, the 230/E 80W.
@@liryco8795 Thank's for the praise! In itself the plastic body is not necessarily a disadvantage. It's certainly one reason the 230/E is so light (besides containing only a 80W motor, the IBS/E has a 100W one). My personal preference is to have metal where "the rubber meets the road". BTW The metal front of the IBS/E contains two bearings. I suspect (don't know for sure) that the 230/E has only one.
Perhaps you could use the word obviously a little less. :)
Obviously :-)), I probably should ;-)
@@robertssmorgasbord 🤣
@@Transcendental9 Now, seriously, English is my second language and obviously (no pun intended) I do not script my videos. Sometimes I just get stuck on a word or a phrase while shooting a video and I keep using it again and again 😅
The video definitely needs some post-processing. It is way too lengthy, not getting to the point and showing too much boilerplate stuff.
I (mostly) agree. Watching my videos from 2 or more years ago now, I often find them too lengthy too. Regarding the boilerplate stuff: One person's boilerplate stuff is another person's valuable information 😉
After watching your videos too many times, i got an MB200 for myself. I use it with the wonderful LBS/E my amazing fiancee got me as a present, for joinery in miniature woodwork - together with the MS4 vice, Proxxon branded ELA burrs and Proxxon/Dremel/??? drills . I was so nervous when i got it, but apart from having to file a little bit from the fence where it meets the base (and now i have a passable 90 degree angle) it did not have the problems you - and many reviewers, for that matter - tend to have. Guess i'm lucky. With the long necked Proxxon rotary tool i can get a better view of where i'm working, i can also set the MB200 higher (i don't have the best lighting situation either) so it all works great ! I also use the Dremel Stylo+ - with various sanding bits - and the Proxxon DSH scroll saw.
What a great pair of videos. Cheers !🍻
I myself use the MB 200 in conjunction with the IBS/E, mostly for drilling printed circuit boards. Anyway, I guess not every MB 200 leaving some anonymous, probably Asian factory is faulty. It's just that there's obviously no quality assurance in place at all. Fortunately the electric tools (IBS/E, LBS/E etc.) are still made in Europe. Regards, Robert
Thank you so much for the detailed review and demonstration.
You're very welcome 🙂
Thanks for sharing all the steps and fiddiling around, very informative video, this gives the whole picture on what to expect from this tool when buying it.
You're welcome! I got a lot of comments on my MB 200 videos and many of them are complains about the build quality (in a later video I finally fix the major issues with mine). These issues range from it being assembled with a wrong grub screw (mine) to the dovetail ways not being completely machined.
Ich wünschte die führung würde immer lotrecht bleiben, sodass man zb. bei einer 90° drehung den schleifer waagerecht herabsenken würde. Zum geführten schneiden sicher hilfreich, sodass die dünnen korundscheiben nicht mehr so leicht brechen...
Mit diesem Bohrständer sollte das eigentlich gehen. Der Kopf ist ja extra dafür um 90° schwenkbar. Die Führung sollte prinzipiell auch gut genug dafür sein. Habe übrigens das Problem mit der Führung irgendmann gelöst: ruclips.net/video/bmnKAnYFkbk/видео.html
@@robertssmorgasbord Naja drehung um 90° geht natürlich, aber der Hebel dreht sich mit und die Bewegungrichtung der Halterung somit auch. Der Schleifer lässt sich also immer in axialer Richtung bewegen, nie seitlich. Und schneiden mit Trennscheiben geht so ja nicht. Das habe ich gemeint...
@@MrZer000 Ah, jetzt verstehe ich. Ja, das klappt mit diesem Bohrständer natürlich nicht. Habe mir gerade meinen grossen BFB 2000 Fräsständer angeschaut, aber da ist das genau so. Ich glaube die Wabeco Bohr-/fräsständer können das: www.wabeco-remscheid.de/ubersicht-bohrstander
@@robertssmorgasbord Ja die hatte ich auch bemerkt, sind nur recht teuer.
Man könnte natürlich auch einen Aufnamenadapter bauen:
Eine Stange auf den Bohrständerdurchmesser drehen, am anderen Ende eine 22er Querbohrung rein und schlitzen.
@@MrZer000 Super Idee! Aber dazu bräuchte ich erst mal eine Drehmaschine :-(
had these issues with the first one i bought so i returned it and got another one that works flawlessly without any reworking.
Good for you 🙂 So not all of these drill stands are lacking. Maybe I should have returned mine too ... but then I couldn't have made all the follow-up videos about it 😉
Meine Fresse, sprich deutlicher. Dein Gequatsche kein ja kein Mensch ertragen. Emotionslos und motiviert
Hallo Rene! Vielen Dank für die Rückmeldung! Kurze Frage: Du meintest sicher "Emotionslos und UNmotiviert", und nicht wie Du geschrieben hast "Emotionslos und moviert", oder?
I encountered all of the issues that Robert shows, plus one more: The opening for the tool was about 19mm. This is really strange, because the tool holder is a casting that's then machined. To make matters worse, the cast aluminum tool holder is harder than the material on the tool, so any bit of force fit badly damages to collar on the tool.
Yeah, those Micromot MB 200 drill stands are not the finest work of Proxxon. Or more to the point: The production quality is total crap. I wonder when Proxxon will realize that if you move your production to e.g. China, you also have to move a quality assurance engineer there. But the opening only milled open to 19mm? But then, another person wrote in the comments that the dove tail guides were not milled completely through.
@@robertssmorgasbord Do you know whether their TBM115 drill press is any better? I am deciding between return/replacement of the MB 200 and fixing anything that's wrong with the replacement (check the opening before trying to insert the rotary tool, deburring as needed, replacing the set screw, resetting the lever position), vs. buying the TMB115 and using a cheap rotary tool for other things, vs. who knows. I'm not seeing many options for a small drill press that will do a good job on small holes.
And by the way, thank you for your videos!
Another great video thanks
You're very welcome!
Irgendwie glaube ich, dass du deutscher bist
Wie kommst Du denn darauf? War es mein Akzent? Oder mein Klagen über den Niedergang deutscher Werkzeug- und Maschinenhersteller? 😉
@@robertssmorgasbord Er ist keinDeutscher, aber sein Gequatschter kein man echt kaum ertragen.
@@flammen-herz Hello Rene! Habe schon auf Deinen anderen Kommentar geantwortet ... Auch für diese Rückmeldung vielen Dank. Und auch zu dieser Rückmeldung ahbe ich eine Frage: Meintest Du "Er ist kein Deutscher, ..." oder "Er ist ein Deutscher, ..." (Du hattest "Er ist keinDeutscher, ..." geschrieben)?
Is that vertical shaft solid or a tube? If a tube how light/heavy it is?
The vertical shaft is solid and made out of steel. The whole thing weights about 2.2kg.