Hey all! I made a goof in this video. I suggested that you would HAVE to have HLG to have gotten the Super Bowl in HDR this year. That's technically not true. Some services delivered it in HDR10. Sorry for the inaccuracy!
I appreciate this, bc I was shaking my head saying "no" to myself when you said this. Xfinity definitely had the Superbowl in HDR10 and I watched it on my TCL r625. I honestly think you've got another poor TCL. I know it's always the panel lottery out there, but I'd think TCL would want to make sure you got your hands on a perfect unit. Anyways, mine has great screen uniformity. No dark vingetting in the corners. Amazing black screen uniformity as well. Better than what I see in your unit from the footage. I do notice the black crush as you stated in Dolby Vision or HDR content. I think they need an update to the r625's local dimming algorithm. Might make things worse tho, and they've moved on from this TV, I'm sure. Local dimming works amazing IMO, but just goes a little too aggressive in certain scenes. Ever since I put bias lighting on the TCL, it changed the TV completely. Much, much better dark room experience, mainly due to the added perceived contrast. Still prefer to live with the black crush thought, as I use High "Local Contrast", DV or HDR mode in "Dark", and "TV Brightness" set to "Brighter". Can't really go wrong with whichever one you choose. Personally, I've had bad luck with Vizio's. A ton of bad LED's zones. Sure, it's not hard to fix, but that's why I steer clear. Hopefully that's not an issue anymore. Other reviews I've seen, put the Vizio's Local Dimming behind the TCL'S. At least as far as blooming goes. My TCL has the black bars jet black. Honestly, idk how it keeps them that dark. I rarely notice blooming. Only on certain subtitles do I actually notice.
@@Polaflamme I'd say it depends what you want. The only thing really new is micro LED in the near future. Mini is just starting to be a thing. So it's really in what technology you want, and what suits you. And...how much you want to pay...where the TV is going...dark room only, everyday use..., etc. OLED is still probably the best tech right now. Just lacking that peak brightness, but has better PQ and viewing angles. For me personally, I steered clear of OLED due to burn in issues. (They've gotten much better) Honestly, you can't go wrong with the LG OLED. You just gotta ask yourself, is all those feature worth the extra money, and will you use it? Do you have the hardware to use the features like VRR, G-sync, etc. Will you be buying the next gen of console's...things like that. I'm sure you weren't asking me, but that's my two cents.
@@Polaflamme Then I'd say stick with your choice. At least you will be able to take advantage of HDMI 2.1 features. I'm more of a casual gamer, and 60hz works fine for me....right now. The differences are very hard to tell. Some people can't tell the difference at all. It really boils down to what fps target these game developers choose to try and hit. I assume some games won't be able to even hit 120fps, but I honestly have no idea. I'm a huge movie buff as well. I think it's a great time to buy a TV. There's a ton of great choices. The only thing you'd be holding out for is micro LED to my knowledge, and that's yet to be proven better than OLED imo. There still might be something behind closed doors that's better than them all. I know they have this cool 3D looking Glass technology, but it's far from being able to display scenes tho.
I just bought the TCL 6 Series 55” based off your past reviews on it and I’m absolutely in love with the TV. Incredible picture and the interface is so simple, easy to use and you can customize it down to bone. Appreciate your knowledge.
I have had the 65" R625 since early Oct and it's just an all out great TV. I got some HDR content that will make jaws drop. It never fails to get complements. Netflix finally has great HDR/DV and I have bought many Dolby Vision movies on Vudu. I just got tired of boxes and keeping up with physical disc... With the R625 I have gone 100% streaming, absolutely no cords for me. And it is on almost 24/7. Barely never turn it off. No streaming device, DVD, or cable boxes. Just the internal Roku for everything. And it's just truly great
If you own a Sony or lg oled or premium tv and put this up against it you'll notice that one is like an iPhone 3gs and the other is an Iphone pro max. There is a significant difference. You can't tell me they are close in comparison. It all boils down to efficiency. You get what you pay for with technology
@siddhesh Yeah, as if she didn't look at me CONFUSED & DISAPPOINTED ENOUGH when I told her that "It's not how deep you fish but how you wiggle your worm that counts"!
Thank you for this video! Like many, I've narrowed my decision down to these two TVs. Wish more review sites/channels would do Vs. videos/content like this!
Hello, Caleb. Great review as always. And very fair-handed approach to these two televisions. In November of last year I purchased the prior year's TCL 6 series for our master bedroom. It was certainly not a bad television. But, it didn't meet my expectations. Our main set is a 65 inch LG B7 OLED which probably skewed my expectations. However, I ended returning the R613 and buying the 65 inch Vizio M8. In my estimation the Vizio provides an overall superior viewing experience which I'm more pleased with. I use a ROKU stick just as you suggested in this video. I also have a Vizio M60-C3 from 2014 that I also use with a ROKU streaming stick. The new Vizio interface is definitely improved. However, it's still vastly inferior to the ROKU. If I had to do it over though, I would spend three hundred dollars more and buy a Sony 900F or an LG 9000 series Nanocell even if I had to purchase either of them in a 55 inch size. Thanks again for another great review. Your the cream of the crop as a reviewer!
The r625 I have does have HDR10 with HLG. It is a great TV with good dark detail and the HDR is great. I love the upscaling it does on HD 1080p content
I own the Vizio 65" M8 and do not regret it. It's an outstanding TV for the price. The color is super impressive as is the black levels and the local dimming performance. Plus, it supports all major HDR formats, HDR10, HDR10+, Dolby Vision, and HLG. I have DirecTV with the 4K channels and the HLG is surprisingly good. For reference, I also own a Samsung SUHD TV and the blacks and color are far superior on this Vizio.
Not terrible but not great. I replaced a plasma with this TV which had perfect viewing angles. Our seating is fairly wide, but I personally stick with being directly in front of the TV. Move 3-4 feet over and the color washes out some.
@@ItsameMatt well damn that's a shame. That is one of THE main things holding me back from getting a new set. My Panny plasma is still rocking, and I can't justify the cost of an OLED or even a higher ranked QLED to replace it, only to get washed out blacks, from off-viewing angles. Plasma tech got me spoiled over the years!
I held onto my Panasonic plasma, mainly because I love the TV and I want to save it for the 3D. It's in storage for now until I have somewhere to put it. I will say though that this Vizio has absurdly deep black levels for this price. I have a Samsung SUHD TV that has an excellent picture but is limited to only HDR10. This Vizio easily beats out the Samsung for blacks and color. The two things that don't compare are the peak brightness and motion. The Samsung is more capable. My Samsung probably has worse off angle viewing but it's in a much smaller room with only a centered couch for seating.
@@mickschnabel If you're that set on plasma, I've got a Pioneer Elite p607 you can have for cheap! Haha. I'm looking to upgrade my 50" Vizio. Maybe I can dump both and step into quantum 4K
Yes!!! I was deciding between these two in November and picked up the Vizio m8 on black Friday because of a big difference in sale price more than anything else. Very happy with it, and I think it's worth mentioning that the Vizio having built in Chromecast AND Apple Airplay is a big plus even if it doesn't have Roku.
I love the picture quality but... Good luck with Vizio's Airplay though. Very buggy. Works with our iPhones but not our Macs. Vizio's customer support is non-existent. If you look at Vizio's RUclips "How to use Apple AirPlay 2 | VIZIO SmartCast™" you'll find a lot of unhappy customers, including me.
I want 80+ for my next TV. Been tempted many times with the 75" models. I want the wow factor so patiently (not really - tapping foot) waiting. My 58" Plasma is still going strong. Thing will never die!!
I just got a 55in 4K TCL Roku tv about a month ago. When watching videos on the tv, a line will appear near the top of the screen. This line is about a cm thick, and it is made up of a previous frozen frame. By this, I mean that the line is like a little strip of picture if you were to pause the video. It changes every so often. I never damaged my tv and it showed up about a week after I got it. The tv is amazing aside from this fact. I don’t know if anyone could help me or has seen this issue before, but please keep this in mind when purchasing a TCL Roku tv.
I bought the Vizio M658 and i actually really like it... I think it has good picture, especially in 4K, and I enjoy the Smartcast feature, it suggests programs to me that I might otherwise not even be aware of... overall I think it's a great TV and I would strongly recommend considering it over other TVs in its price range 👍
Caleb, thanks for the comparison. I bought the Vizio M Quantum series since I reviewed your reviews and I have to agree with you and happy with my choice. I've had no complaints as far as movie viewing and I had some friends come over about a month ago and watched a Marvel movie in 4K and they were impressed. I've subscribed to the channel and come here when there are new videos.
Good review, glad I went with the Vizio M8. Staying away from Samsung TV's from now on - They dont even support Dolby Vision. I like samsung but I'll be damned if im going to pay more for less features
@@kodyhf1 have you seen how crap the game mode looks in the q90r, and then fact their 4k versions wont order will not getting hdmi 2.1, or Dolby Vision .I was a Samsung owner, but am definitely getting the c9
I had $1600 set aside for a new tv. Last Black Friday I was looking for deals. For 2 weeks leading up to it I watched countless videos on youtube and read a bunch of reviews. I ended up finding a TCL 6 series Qled for $585 on Rakuten right at midnight black friday morning. No tax, and free shipping. My first TCL. I love it and i dont regret it at all. My cousin ended up buying the more expensive tv that I originally wanted.$1500 plus tax. I won't deny that its a little nicer than mine. But not $1000 nicer.
Can't wait for the 2020 version of both of these. they are both going to be getting the features dropping down from the model tier above as well as HDMI 2.1. Hope to see a comparison when they come out here soon!
You can see in this video the vizio is better when it comes to picture quality the colors just came to life more in the vizio in the side by side comparison
I bought the Vizio M-G8 the week before black Friday (for $650 @ Best Buy, had to) and have been holding my breath for this comparison (not really). I'm glad that my purchase of the G8 is now validated (not really, I would have still been happy). But the fact that Caleb seems to like the Vizio better will allow me to finally sleep better at night (not really). :) Thanks for your very thorough and informative reviews. You the man.
I got the m557 series for $378 at Walmart, they gave me the online price. Didn't know the difference in the m558-g1 until a few days later. I calibrated it using value tech cents basic setup and the picture quality is great. Imagine the m558-g1 must be amazing. But for the price of the m557 I can't complain
the TCL is as close to OLED as you will get on blacks. I would go go TCL and save your money over an OLED. The TCL Screen Uniformity is great with great detail
@Hellenback TCL is its own company that make good TVs and the 6 series is great. You need to rethink about TCL and what issues? The Sony 960g is a great TV. My parents paid same price for the 65 inch
This is crazy, I'm in the market for a new TV and I'm so glad that you did a comparison video of these two because these the TV's I had my eyes on. I'm trying my hardest to hold out for the new line of TV's that comes out later this year but I'm ready to upgrade now while I have the money. The Vizio is looking like the winner to me. Can't go wrong with either one, the stands on the tcl just bothers me for some reason
I got a 65" Sony X900F on sale for 900$ no cost for shipping plus no tax I was looking at the Vizio for so long but it was just too dim and the colors on the Sony just looked more lifelike and accurate.
Excellent review. Your content is always great. Though, I have to say, I wish this was a three way comparison that included the Hisense H9F. That set is at the same price point as these, offers more local dimming zones, has comparable peak brightness, better/warmer colour accuracy and is slaying many higher tier sets in head-to-head comparisons.
Have you ever thought about comparing new budget TVs against older models? I have an eight year old plasma 1080p not sure if say the M series 80 is worth updating to.
I have a 6 year old Samsung PN64f8500 (best plasma made in my opinion) plasma, and an 8000 series qled. For SDR material thd plasma wins hands down. Not to say the qled is a slouch, becsuse it's simply not. In fact I have 3 other 4k tvs in the house and I must say the qled looks like a plasma compared to them. Now proper HDR is where the that QLED curbstomps every display out there including OLED. If you have a display that can hit above 800nits, watch The Grand Tour or play Gears 5, Horizon Zero Dawn, and your jaw will be glued to the floor! Truth be told, even these reviews, norther TV hits the nits to make HDR that mind blowing experience. Enjoy your plasma and save up for an 8 or P series whatever.
I set up my office to be my main hub: PC, PS4, and 4K blu-ray player. I got the Vizio M series as my monitor/TV (I don't need a super fast or color accurate monitor) and I love it. Once you get all the picture and audio settings in place, it works great for everything I need it to do. My office has lighting control so if I want it to be dark, I can just turn off all the lights and this TV does great for the money when watching movies 🙂 can't speak to the TCL, but I definitely am having a good time with my Vizio M-series.
Hey, Caleb, I have a question. The only brand I've owned with local dimming zones, is Vizio. Yes, the local dimming zones do help with the picture... But, there's a sort of "Side Effect"... You can see the local dimming zones causing light and shadow spots moving around on screen. It looks like image retention lines moving around the screen, with a constant morphing dirty screen effect. I've noticed this on all Vizio sets, using local dimming, up to the 2018 models. I haven't seen the 2019 or 2020 models. Is this something that has been improved, or is it just an unfortunate effect of local dimming? Because it really takes the ability of trying to enjoy the picture.
Hi, I'm from Australia and neither of these models are available. Although here in Australia, I see there is the TCL 65" P8 UHD Android 9LED TV 65P8M. Would this be a good alternative or should I purchase another brand altogether? Budget wise I fall between $1000 -1300AUD.
I'm thinking on preparing for PS5. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the TCL delivers 60Hz at 4k and 120Hz at FullHD, while Vizio reaches 60Hz either way. Is that correct? Either way, for PS5 I would be looking for 120Hz at 4k, right?
There are a lot of things to compare. Both TVs are great in their own ways. But Now assuming all are nearly the same greatness, I would rank them in this order: Vizio Pqx > Hicense h9f > TCL 6 625 > TCL 6 615 > Vizio M overall for highest image quality, features, and price. So no single TV is the best of all worlds but that's how I would rank the budget TVs. I have heard the UPSCALING of the TCL 6 625 is better than Vizio M, and overall Nits brightness is nearly double on the TCL 6, so those are strengths for the TCL 6. When Caleb is looking at image quality he is disappointed with TCL 6 625 because the local dimming High software algorithm is crushing the blacks more than he wishes in dark scenes---I too find that disappointing, but try turn it down to Medium on those scenes or adjust Gamma to 2.0 or try other settings. If it wasn't for that effect then I bet TCL 6 would have been better for him. But even Rttings rates Vizio M very slightly better than TCL 6s 8.2 vs 8.1/8.0 & the scores for "movies and HDR movies" rating is better on Vizio M by 0.1. So I think Vizio M really could be a very very slightly better image based on professionals for watching movies in the dark - "by a hair" (but most of us shouldn't really care 98% of the time --and just be happy with both TV sets!----we should only care if these budget sets have DSE or breaks down and become glitchy...none of us want our hard earned money to be wasted on a broken tv within a couple of years. So be happy if you have a "reliable" tv.).
Hey Caleb, Great Videos.. So looking at the Vizio 65" Class - M-Series - 4K Quantum LED LCD TV Item 7657001Model M65Q7-H. This is at Costco.. How do you know what series their selling you mentioned M8 series is the best.. Thank You
Caleb could you please tell us what the picture quality is like on the Walmart brand Vizio? It only has 10 local dimming zones. Will picture quality suffer a big drop in quality?
Love your vids, always clear and concise. I have two TCLs, a 5 series (43" as an office PC monitor and TV) and a 6 series (65" for the living room), both from 2018. I love them both but I was shocked at how much better the colors and blacks were on the Visio. I may have to pick one up.
I compared tcl 6 2018 vs 2019, and those were the same things I noticed better on the 2019 model. I've seen the vizio m8 next to the tcl 6 2019 and they are also both very close in colors and black levels. Tcl is brighter, and If you need more brightness from vizio, Costco has the Vizio top model pqx for $900. ( It used to normally be $300 more than this).
Dave DuMond Bought my girlfriend a 55 inch TCL 5 Series and it crapped out at 14 months. Bought the matching TCL sound bar and sub, but it never worked correctly on the TCL. Bought her a Samsung. TV is great and the sound bar now works. Wouldn’t buy a TCL again. Stick with Samsung or LG
Hi.. which of the two you recommend more. I love intense blacks and bright colors and I love HDR and Dolby Vision. I like to watch my movies with the light off in TOTAL darkness which would be better for my taste. WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND ME??
I bought an expensive Vizio premium TV and after 15 months it went bad. It was gently set up in an open area the day it was purchased adult owned, and had a apc unit connected to protect it from electrical jolts. You only get 1 shot with me. I purchased a TCL no issues.
Are you going to do a review on the updated version of the TCL 6 and Vizio M series once they are release and can you do the review on the updated P series from Vizio
So the 6 series is getting vrr. As a big gamer does that change the opinion on what tv is better for the gamer? Does it make the much of a difference where the other qualities of the Vizio get out weighed?
Hey Caleb I just got the m6 the 70 from Best Buy I asked them if it was the same they said yes.. Urgh I like the m6 but I wanted the m7 . Is there a big difference between the two? Plus I also wanted a 70 inch
I bought the vizio last year for under 500 bucks, and I was so happy with the performance, that I bought the vizio p series quantum for the living room.
@@lamarsmith5310 it's on sale at Costco and Sam's club for $999 the 65 inch. It's a bargain. It was $1,599 3 months ago. Sales ends this Saturday or Sunday. If you buy it, get from Costco. 90 days return policy, no questions ask. Sam's club is a jungle.
Great video again, Caleb. In comparing the 2 sets, does anyone know if the Visio supports Dolby Atmos passthrough like the TCL does? Definitely want to have that when I buy my next TV.
Just picked up a 2020 M7 yeah, 20 dimming, HDR10+, HDR10, Dolby Vision, HLG and most importantly eARC for Atmos and DTS X from Best Buy as an Open Box and for $400 and this TV delivers the goods. DES sometimes, but I don't care about that. I can actually see the contrast difference and hear the sound difference from my 2017 LG 4K it supplanted. You can't go wrong with any modern TV I believe. Just make sure it has eARC
Either way, both brands offer great value over bigger brands. I have the original TCL 6 Series and picture quality is great, comparable to TVs that cost more at the time.
Hey! I’m in the market for a new TV to out in my basement that has 2 large vertical windows an will be seated approximately 10’ away from where I want to mount it. Looking for a 75” tv, very max budget is 1,300. Mostly stream watch sports and Netflix. Can you give me a few great options?? Thank you in advance!
On top of Dolby Vision, HDR10, and HLG didn't Vizio release a firmware update for HDR10+ support on the M series as well? Or did that only go to their higher class models?
It did. I only own a couple of HDR10+ 4K blu-rays, but my player doesn't support it. I have confirmed it through some Amazon Prime shows that support it however.
@@KingSanchez69 Thanks! Do you know if any reviews of the m55q8 are out yet? I had heard that it was going to be a Walmart and Amazon-only release or something
@@aboynts4561 no reviews that I know of yet, I'm considering the mq8 aswell because of the 2.1 but the TV supposedly doesn't go up to 120hz so it won't take full advantage of it 2 vizio previously said it would be a walmart and Amazon exclusive but since release it's only been popping up at Walmart 🤷🏾♂️
Dang I can't decide on what tv to get! What's the exact model number of the Vizio? The link is showing a pretty low price, if thats the right model then I would think the Vizio at about 150 dollars less would be the winner
How difficult would it be to cast/mirror an android phone to the vizio tv? Does it have that capability built in and how is the quality and latency of the stream?
Hello Caleb, How about comparing a recent mid tier TV like the Vizio M8 vs something like Sony's X900F? One is punching above it's price range and the other is still very relevant and has come down in price in the last year or so. It's still being sold in fairly large numbers for a 2018 model.
Got the Vizio M Series, got a lemon. It was really colorful, but it would turn off and on randomly, the os sucked, the WiFi connection kept dropping, hdr sucked. Returned the Vizio and got the TCL 6 series. TCL is better overall, not as much color but haven’t had a single issue with it and Roku is smooth.
2020 TCL Series 6 is bright, but washed out with fake color blends and more $. I have both. Vizio actually has better pic and more features now in 2020 series.
Can you talk about antenna-specific features in future videos? I know Roku TVs feature a guide, live tv pause, etc... but not too familiar if they have anything comparable on Vizio, LG, Samsung, Sony etc. As far as I know Samsung disables timeshift on US televisions.
I was waiting for this review since October, i went with vizio 55 m8 and no regrets. Got mine for 450 with tax on October from bestbuy. For that price and tv quality it was a steal! For some reason on the store TCL seem more dim and less color pop, also screen looked dirty
Taking your advice and waiting for a 2020 model tv buy... 70-75” .... p series quantum x 2020 or equivalent 2020 tcl. Lots of gaming and movies, smart interface not super important, very bright setting daytime room, and very dark at night. (Obviously could change when they are released but based on ces and general knowledge)..... ready?.... GO!
Sports (basketball and football) have always looked fine to me. Sometime, very fast motion is an issue & scenes that are panning to the left or right.. there is some kind of slow response studder on tcl6 (not sure if Vizio m8 is better). But most times I am not bothered by this effect. The image quality is outstanding especially on static scenery. I think it may sometimes be caused by a slow internet streaming connection. But a faster response time tv like Sony and surprisingly Hicense h9f may do better for the same scenes.
My Vizio just crapped out so I bought the 55” TCL 6 series. I must say I Luuuvvvv my new TCL! The picture is just amazing to me and I love how simple it is to use Roku tv.I know Vizio won this comparison but I promise you will Love the TCL!!!!!
Yes older and newer tcl 6 also get brighter than Vizio m. I think both are nearly the same good. Rttings rates Vizio m slightly better in movies and hdr movies rating by 0.1 and 0.2. so Vizio m is deserving but there are trade offs in punchy bright highlights vs the tcl 6 and hicense h9F.
I Just bought the VIZIO - 55" Class - LED - M-Series Quantum Series - 2160p - Smart - 4K UHD TV with HDR Model: M50Q7-H1.. Have you done a review on this model?.. or is this model far different than the M558.. other than fewer dimming zones.. I bought it for my living room that is not that bright just for movies action/drama only.. Home theater set up separate.. I paid $399 from best buy.. This is My very first smart tv coming from the plasma world ;>(
crushed blacks are an interesting thing to make note of. Although I love that my samsung has super black blacks there's definitely an issue with any darkened scenes regardless of brightness and contrast settings and regardless of natural/ambient lighting. For 2 years I just thought that my vision was failing.
I have m series Vizio and TCL set's ..and the TCL offers a better viewing experience and is way better to navigate to all what it has to offer....But the Viz does have a very good picture also .But i have to say the RoKu experience is way better. my 2 cent's
That's very nice to hear. I agree.. both tvs have pretty dang good image quality for the $$$.---they both scored similarly by Rttings. But the professionals seem to like grazing hairs and nitpicking tvs to death to see any small differences--and they all seem to like the Vizio M more than TCL 6 for Movies in the dark and HDR by 0.1 rating. ...check rttings 8.2 vs 8.1. I also own the TCL 625 (and have owned the 615) and thought they were both great (and good enough for me since I got a reasonable price 65" $590). But I guess this is the first video that shows more love for Vizio M. (just this week a deal came for Vizio M @ $650 with dell $200 so that makes it a better deal on paper). I'm happy with the TCL6 as long as I don't notice any DSE (which mine is hardly visible at all) and it doesn't break down. --My only other minor issue with panel lottery on this tv is I have a couple stuck grey Pixels (one tiny one in the middle and another one on the very bottom left side..But fortunately I can only see them 4 feet away or less. & I mostly sit 6 to 9 feet away where I cannot see them.)
See, I find through viewing experience better on the M series. I don't like bright tv's and that's a reason I didn't buy a Samsung. As for smart cast its never been a must have or use feature for me. I use it sometimes but most of the time I use my 4K fire. stick.
@@lamarsmith5310 Sometimes brightness is important in a room with lots of light, and for the greater pop in HDR highlights like bright headlights of a car, , or sparks & explosions in sci-fi films. The TCL 6 2018 non-quantum has 1100 nits so has this advantage much more than Vizio M quantum dot and slightly more than TCL 6 2019 quantum dot. hicense h9f also belongs with this group. All the higher priced TVs $1300+ have nits brightness well past 1000 nits around 1400nits to 2000nits from eg. Vizio pqx, TCL 8, Sony x950g, Samsung q90r. But yes , brightness is not as important in a dark room , which is why Vizio M8 still rates very good (with the help of its black uniformity, contrast, color space & good local dimming.) it's a win for everyone looking at all these budget tvs.
At CES TCL announced that "select models" of the 6 series is getting HDMI 2.1 and VRR support in a firmware update "later this year"... anyone know if there is more information on if that will become reality? Strongly considering between these two models and tempted to go TCL just on account of the possibility of that update.
Only vrr up to 60hz ( doubtful it will go to 120hz since it is only a 60hz panel). Hdmi probably will not be 2.1 but it will have a partial features of 2.1 like vrr.
I wouldn't be surprised if everything is delayed for a few months due to covid. Maybe update won't come until the mid to late summer at the earliest. It was supposed to come in the late spring so we'll see.
I'm so confused. The tcl 6 series review says it was done 7 months ago, and this comparison over a year ago... Also, I'm looking at the vizio on walmart and it definitely says it has vrr.
Not surprised at all since using hardware calibrator my Vizio is able to basically get infinite contrast using FALD since black uniformity zone let it completely black out screen like an OLED. Also Vizio uses active pixel tuning which is also supposed to help darken screen so maybe that's another reason why it almost always has better contrast scores than other LED TV's.
New 2020 will probably be out in the summer for around $1000 and probably won't t drop to $800 or less until Sept 2020, assuming Corona virus doesn't drastically affect the world trade and life by that time.
It's about as good as my h8 f actually it's just under my H9F. Is it 60 hrtz or 120 hrtZ? TCL has also historically had issues with dark spots in their screens have they fixed this quality control issue.
Looking to replace a Vizio 2013 or 14 model non hdr , I am assuming anything from this or last will be a dramatic improvement , I would like to get a 75” , but don’t want to spend 1000$ , I assume even a large tv for for not a lot money would still be a drastic improvement. Thanks for your time and keep up the videos.
Yeah the 65" deals are much lower in price between $600 and $800. The 75" are always around $1000. The lowest deal I've ever seen was a Sams store display model of a Vizio 75"pqx with more discounts from a sale in Jan or Feb for $940.
Hey all! I made a goof in this video. I suggested that you would HAVE to have HLG to have gotten the Super Bowl in HDR this year. That's technically not true. Some services delivered it in HDR10. Sorry for the inaccuracy!
I appreciate this, bc I was shaking my head saying "no" to myself when you said this. Xfinity definitely had the Superbowl in HDR10 and I watched it on my TCL r625. I honestly think you've got another poor TCL. I know it's always the panel lottery out there, but I'd think TCL would want to make sure you got your hands on a perfect unit. Anyways, mine has great screen uniformity. No dark vingetting in the corners. Amazing black screen uniformity as well. Better than what I see in your unit from the footage. I do notice the black crush as you stated in Dolby Vision or HDR content. I think they need an update to the r625's local dimming algorithm. Might make things worse tho, and they've moved on from this TV, I'm sure. Local dimming works amazing IMO, but just goes a little too aggressive in certain scenes. Ever since I put bias lighting on the TCL, it changed the TV completely. Much, much better dark room experience, mainly due to the added perceived contrast. Still prefer to live with the black crush thought, as I use High "Local Contrast", DV or HDR mode in "Dark", and "TV Brightness" set to "Brighter". Can't really go wrong with whichever one you choose. Personally, I've had bad luck with Vizio's. A ton of bad LED's zones. Sure, it's not hard to fix, but that's why I steer clear. Hopefully that's not an issue anymore. Other reviews I've seen, put the Vizio's Local Dimming behind the TCL'S. At least as far as blooming goes. My TCL has the black bars jet black. Honestly, idk how it keeps them that dark. I rarely notice blooming. Only on certain subtitles do I actually notice.
Im currently waiting for the LG CX (65"). Am I making a mistake? Is there another brand that intends to release something even more interesting ...?
@@Polaflamme I'd say it depends what you want. The only thing really new is micro LED in the near future. Mini is just starting to be a thing. So it's really in what technology you want, and what suits you. And...how much you want to pay...where the TV is going...dark room only, everyday use..., etc. OLED is still probably the best tech right now. Just lacking that peak brightness, but has better PQ and viewing angles. For me personally, I steered clear of OLED due to burn in issues. (They've gotten much better) Honestly, you can't go wrong with the LG OLED. You just gotta ask yourself, is all those feature worth the extra money, and will you use it? Do you have the hardware to use the features like VRR, G-sync, etc. Will you be buying the next gen of console's...things like that.
I'm sure you weren't asking me, but that's my two cents.
KOR-rey Ren Thank you for your answer. I will definitely buy the next Xbox. I watch over 365 movies a year.
@@Polaflamme Then I'd say stick with your choice. At least you will be able to take advantage of HDMI 2.1 features. I'm more of a casual gamer, and 60hz works fine for me....right now. The differences are very hard to tell. Some people can't tell the difference at all. It really boils down to what fps target these game developers choose to try and hit. I assume some games won't be able to even hit 120fps, but I honestly have no idea. I'm a huge movie buff as well. I think it's a great time to buy a TV. There's a ton of great choices. The only thing you'd be holding out for is micro LED to my knowledge, and that's yet to be proven better than OLED imo. There still might be something behind closed doors that's better than them all. I know they have this cool 3D looking Glass technology, but it's far from being able to display scenes tho.
Waited for this comparison as long as I could. Thankfully I bought the Vizio last weekend and love it.
Jason Sorenson same
He is leaving out a lot of the TCL features like he said no HLG and no HDR10, but it does have it on the TCL.
just bought it too. then saw the video
I feel like this channel has gone out of their way to bash TCL whenever possible. 🤔
Jason Sorenson Word of advice. Buy an extended warranty on anything Vizio. Have a tendency to have power issues.
I just bought the TCL 6 Series 55” based off your past reviews on it and I’m absolutely in love with the TV. Incredible picture and the interface is so simple, easy to use and you can customize it down to bone. Appreciate your knowledge.
I have had the 65" R625 since early Oct and it's just an all out great TV.
I got some HDR content that will make jaws drop.
It never fails to get complements.
Netflix finally has great HDR/DV and I have bought many Dolby Vision movies on Vudu. I just got tired of boxes and keeping up with physical disc... With the R625 I have gone 100% streaming, absolutely no cords for me. And it is on almost 24/7. Barely never turn it off. No streaming device, DVD, or cable boxes. Just the internal Roku for everything. And it's just truly great
Jarame Turnage that tv is trash
Lane Cooly “tHaT tV iS TrAsH”…do you feel better now? imagine having an opinion on how someone else spends their money, lol couldn’t be me. 😂🥱
If you own a Sony or lg oled or premium tv and put this up against it you'll notice that one is like an iPhone 3gs and the other is an Iphone pro max. There is a significant difference. You can't tell me they are close in comparison. It all boils down to efficiency. You get what you pay for with technology
Lane Cooly This if false.
It’s not really about how many zones you have, it’s how you use them.
- Caleb, March 2020.
Siddhesh Bagade i think « you » refers to the manufacturer not.... « you ».
@Pho Tato Did you just call me ignorant A s s h o l e
@siddhesh Yeah, as if she didn't look at me CONFUSED & DISAPPOINTED ENOUGH when I told her that "It's not how deep you fish but how you wiggle your worm that counts"!
Thank you for this video! Like many, I've narrowed my decision down to these two TVs.
Wish more review sites/channels would do Vs. videos/content like this!
Hello, Caleb. Great review as always. And very fair-handed approach to these two televisions. In November of last year I purchased the prior year's TCL 6 series for our master bedroom. It was certainly not a bad television. But, it didn't meet my expectations. Our main set is a 65 inch LG B7 OLED which probably skewed my expectations. However, I ended returning the R613 and buying the 65 inch Vizio M8. In my estimation the Vizio provides an overall superior viewing experience which I'm more pleased with. I use a ROKU stick just as you suggested in this video. I also have a Vizio M60-C3 from 2014 that I also use with a ROKU streaming stick. The new Vizio interface is definitely improved. However, it's still vastly inferior to the ROKU. If I had to do it over though, I would spend three hundred dollars more and buy a Sony 900F or an LG 9000 series Nanocell even if I had to purchase either of them in a 55 inch size. Thanks again for another great review. Your the cream of the crop as a reviewer!
The r625 I have does have HDR10 with HLG. It is a great TV with good dark detail and the HDR is great. I love the upscaling it does on HD 1080p content
Love this channel really helps in choosing and getting to know details of TVs. And in a way that is easy to understand too.
I got me a 32" Vizio yesterday September 1 2021
My off brand TV 32" Hisense had burning plastic smell made me gag
Bought the M8 last week found the perfect setting and it's amazing!!!
What settings do you use?
I'd also like to know what setting you're using. Thanks.
do tell plz
@@tyrusch value tech cents RUclips basic setup video has best calibration settings. I tried all the professionals settings, his was by far the best
Where did you find the M8? I’m having a hard time location one. Thanks in advance!
I own the Vizio 65" M8 and do not regret it. It's an outstanding TV for the price. The color is super impressive as is the black levels and the local dimming performance. Plus, it supports all major HDR formats, HDR10, HDR10+, Dolby Vision, and HLG. I have DirecTV with the 4K channels and the HLG is surprisingly good.
For reference, I also own a Samsung SUHD TV and the blacks and color are far superior on this Vizio.
How are the viewing angles? I know it's hard to compare to plasma, but that is what I am going from.
Not terrible but not great. I replaced a plasma with this TV which had perfect viewing angles. Our seating is fairly wide, but I personally stick with being directly in front of the TV. Move 3-4 feet over and the color washes out some.
@@ItsameMatt well damn that's a shame. That is one of THE main things holding me back from getting a new set. My Panny plasma is still rocking, and I can't justify the cost of an OLED or even a higher ranked QLED to replace it, only to get washed out blacks, from off-viewing angles. Plasma tech got me spoiled over the years!
I held onto my Panasonic plasma, mainly because I love the TV and I want to save it for the 3D. It's in storage for now until I have somewhere to put it.
I will say though that this Vizio has absurdly deep black levels for this price. I have a Samsung SUHD TV that has an excellent picture but is limited to only HDR10. This Vizio easily beats out the Samsung for blacks and color. The two things that don't compare are the peak brightness and motion. The Samsung is more capable. My Samsung probably has worse off angle viewing but it's in a much smaller room with only a centered couch for seating.
@@mickschnabel If you're that set on plasma, I've got a Pioneer Elite p607 you can have for cheap! Haha. I'm looking to upgrade my 50" Vizio. Maybe I can dump both and step into quantum 4K
Yes!!! I was deciding between these two in November and picked up the Vizio m8 on black Friday because of a big difference in sale price more than anything else. Very happy with it, and I think it's worth mentioning that the Vizio having built in Chromecast AND Apple Airplay is a big plus even if it doesn't have Roku.
I love the picture quality but... Good luck with Vizio's Airplay though. Very buggy. Works with our iPhones but not our Macs. Vizio's customer support is non-existent. If you look at Vizio's RUclips "How to use Apple AirPlay 2 | VIZIO SmartCast™" you'll find a lot of unhappy customers, including me.
@@FledMendota interesting, I haven't come across issues with connecting either our Macbook, iPad, or iPhones. Guess YMMV...
I want 80+ for my next TV. Been tempted many times with the 75" models. I want the wow factor so patiently (not really - tapping foot) waiting. My 58" Plasma is still going strong. Thing will never die!!
People need to quit bragging on how big of A size(75+) the TV to going to buy, I myself am not made out of money
@@prs149 - I am not bragging. My main TV is around 12yrs old. Been saving for a long time so I can replace it eventually. Getting excited!!
I just got a 55in 4K TCL Roku tv about a month ago. When watching videos on the tv, a line will appear near the top of the screen. This line is about a cm thick, and it is made up of a previous frozen frame. By this, I mean that the line is like a little strip of picture if you were to pause the video. It changes every so often. I never damaged my tv and it showed up about a week after I got it. The tv is amazing aside from this fact. I don’t know if anyone could help me or has seen this issue before, but please keep this in mind when purchasing a TCL Roku tv.
Thats not normal. Just got mine few days ago haven’t experienced it.
I bought the Vizio M658 and i actually really like it... I think it has good picture, especially in 4K, and I enjoy the Smartcast feature, it suggests programs to me that I might otherwise not even be aware of... overall I think it's a great TV and I would strongly recommend considering it over other TVs in its price range 👍
Caleb, thanks for the comparison. I bought the Vizio M Quantum series since I reviewed your reviews and I have to agree with you and happy with my choice. I've had no complaints as far as movie viewing and I had some friends come over about a month ago and watched a Marvel movie in 4K and they were impressed. I've subscribed to the channel and come here when there are new videos.
Check out value tech cents basic setup on RUclips
Good review, glad I went with the Vizio M8. Staying away from Samsung TV's from now on - They dont even support Dolby Vision. I like samsung but I'll be damned if im going to pay more for less features
@Matthew _ Samsung 6 series are overpriced trash.
I got the LG C9 and couldn’t be happier with any other tv. It’s beautiful and amazing for gaming.
Enjoy burn in! Samsung Q series is the way to go
@@kodyhf1 Thanks, Kody! I have the 5 year best buy warranty that covers it. If i get burn in, i just get a newer tv :)
@@kodyhf1 have you seen how crap the game mode looks in the q90r, and then fact their 4k versions wont order will not getting hdmi 2.1, or Dolby Vision .I was a Samsung owner, but am definitely getting the c9
I had $1600 set aside for a new tv. Last Black Friday I was looking for deals. For 2 weeks leading up to it I watched countless videos on youtube and read a bunch of reviews. I ended up finding a TCL 6 series Qled for $585 on Rakuten right at midnight black friday morning. No tax, and free shipping. My first TCL. I love it and i dont regret it at all. My cousin ended up buying the more expensive tv that I originally wanted.$1500 plus tax. I won't deny that its a little nicer than mine. But not $1000 nicer.
Can't wait for the 2020 version of both of these.
they are both going to be getting the features dropping down from the model tier above as well as HDMI 2.1. Hope to see a comparison when they come out here soon!
Michael Dhalle when does Vizio typically release their new models? May?
You can see in this video the vizio is better when it comes to picture quality the colors just came to life more in the vizio in the side by side comparison
I bought the Vizio M-G8 the week before black Friday (for $650 @ Best Buy, had to) and have been holding my breath for this comparison (not really). I'm glad that my purchase of the G8 is now validated (not really, I would have still been happy). But the fact that Caleb seems to like the Vizio better will allow me to finally sleep better at night (not really). :)
Thanks for your very thorough and informative reviews. You the man.
Rudy M i got mine for 450 but the 55 on october
Great buy
😆😆😆
I got the m557 series for $378 at Walmart, they gave me the online price. Didn't know the difference in the m558-g1 until a few days later. I calibrated it using value tech cents basic setup and the picture quality is great. Imagine the m558-g1 must be amazing. But for the price of the m557 I can't complain
Trying to hold out for the TCL 6 series with the mini LEDs but its hard. Any idea when that's gonna happen?
The black level is always the most important for any TV.
I've seen the Vizo M8 at my cousins place and the blacks were over all pretty damn decent, especially when you consider what he spent on his set.
I plan on getting an OLED. Saving for it now.
Nope screen uniformity is more important
the TCL is as close to OLED as you will get on blacks. I would go go TCL and save your money over an OLED. The TCL Screen Uniformity is great with great detail
@Hellenback TCL is its own company that make good TVs and the 6 series is great. You need to rethink about TCL and what issues? The Sony 960g is a great TV. My parents paid same price for the 65 inch
This is crazy, I'm in the market for a new TV and I'm so glad that you did a comparison video of these two because these the TV's I had my eyes on.
I'm trying my hardest to hold out for the new line of TV's that comes out later this year but I'm ready to upgrade now while I have the money.
The Vizio is looking like the winner to me. Can't go wrong with either one, the stands on the tcl just bothers me for some reason
Get the vizio m558 series then calibrate it using value tech cents basic setup on RUclips. You will be amazed
Yeah I'm not going to spend an extra 2/300 hundred bucks on a new TV stand because Tcl legs are too far apart
I got a 65" Sony X900F on sale for 900$ no cost for shipping plus no tax I was looking at the Vizio for so long but it was just too dim and the colors on the Sony just looked more lifelike and accurate.
VIZIO GOOD FOR MONEY THATS ABOUT IT ITS NOT A SONY OR SAMSUNG!
Sony or Samsung will be better than TCL or Vizio unless you get a budget model.
@@tylongkicks8821 what about lg
Excellent review. Your content is always great. Though, I have to say, I wish this was a three way comparison that included the Hisense H9F. That set is at the same price point as these, offers more local dimming zones, has comparable peak brightness, better/warmer colour accuracy and is slaying many higher tier sets in head-to-head comparisons.
That is because apparently nobody can buy one anywhere
Good luck buying one in stores
I have to know.. what TV stand is the TCL sitting on??? I love it!
BDI Corridor
Have you ever thought about comparing new budget TVs against older models? I have an eight year old plasma 1080p not sure if say the M series 80 is worth updating to.
I have a 6 year old Samsung PN64f8500 (best plasma made in my opinion) plasma, and an 8000 series qled. For SDR material thd plasma wins hands down. Not to say the qled is a slouch, becsuse it's simply not. In fact I have 3 other 4k tvs in the house and I must say the qled looks like a plasma compared to them. Now proper HDR is where the that QLED curbstomps every display out there including OLED. If you have a display that can hit above 800nits, watch The Grand Tour or play Gears 5, Horizon Zero Dawn, and your jaw will be glued to the floor!
Truth be told, even these reviews, norther TV hits the nits to make HDR that mind blowing experience. Enjoy your plasma and save up for an 8 or P series whatever.
@@lbm5618 I do love my plasma. My issue is I now have room for a 65 in tv where's my plasma is 50. I would move the plasma to my bedroom.
Kevin Franzen Plasmas are only properly upgraded by getting an OLED.
@@lbm5618 QLED doing HDR better than OLED is simply not true, assuming everything else is constant.
I set up my office to be my main hub: PC, PS4, and 4K blu-ray player. I got the Vizio M series as my monitor/TV (I don't need a super fast or color accurate monitor) and I love it. Once you get all the picture and audio settings in place, it works great for everything I need it to do. My office has lighting control so if I want it to be dark, I can just turn off all the lights and this TV does great for the money when watching movies 🙂 can't speak to the TCL, but I definitely am having a good time with my Vizio M-series.
Hey, Caleb, I have a question. The only brand I've owned with local dimming zones, is Vizio. Yes, the local dimming zones do help with the picture... But, there's a sort of "Side Effect"... You can see the local dimming zones causing light and shadow spots moving around on screen. It looks like image retention lines moving around the screen, with a constant morphing dirty screen effect. I've noticed this on all Vizio sets, using local dimming, up to the 2018 models. I haven't seen the 2019 or 2020 models. Is this something that has been improved, or is it just an unfortunate effect of local dimming? Because it really takes the ability of trying to enjoy the picture.
Value tech cents basic setup on RUclips video will be helpful. His calibration settings are awesome
Hi, I'm from Australia and neither of these models are available. Although here in Australia, I see there is the TCL 65" P8 UHD Android 9LED TV 65P8M. Would this be a good alternative or should I purchase another brand altogether? Budget wise I fall between $1000 -1300AUD.
I just got my Vizio M series and I love it so far
VIZIO 55 M55Q7-H1 or Samsung UN55TU8000?... Which one is better?
Like always You are The Man!! One question, which model year are these 2 tvs? Thanks.
I'm thinking on preparing for PS5. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the TCL delivers 60Hz at 4k and 120Hz at FullHD, while Vizio reaches 60Hz either way. Is that correct?
Either way, for PS5 I would be looking for 120Hz at 4k, right?
There are a lot of things to compare. Both TVs are great in their own ways. But Now assuming all are nearly the same greatness, I would rank them in this order: Vizio Pqx > Hicense h9f > TCL 6 625 > TCL 6 615 > Vizio M overall for highest image quality, features, and price. So no single TV is the best of all worlds but that's how I would rank the budget TVs. I have heard the UPSCALING of the TCL 6 625 is better than Vizio M, and overall Nits brightness is nearly double on the TCL 6, so those are strengths for the TCL 6. When Caleb is looking at image quality he is disappointed with TCL 6 625 because the local dimming High software algorithm is crushing the blacks more than he wishes in dark scenes---I too find that disappointing, but try turn it down to Medium on those scenes or adjust Gamma to 2.0 or try other settings. If it wasn't for that effect then I bet TCL 6 would have been better for him. But even Rttings rates Vizio M very slightly better than TCL 6s 8.2 vs 8.1/8.0 & the scores for "movies and HDR movies" rating is better on Vizio M by 0.1. So I think Vizio M really could be a very very slightly better image based on professionals for watching movies in the dark - "by a hair" (but most of us shouldn't really care 98% of the time --and just be happy with both TV sets!----we should only care if these budget sets have DSE or breaks down and become glitchy...none of us want our hard earned money to be wasted on a broken tv within a couple of years. So be happy if you have a "reliable" tv.).
Hey Caleb, Great Videos.. So looking at the Vizio 65" Class - M-Series - 4K Quantum LED LCD TV
Item 7657001Model M65Q7-H. This is at Costco.. How do you know what series their selling you mentioned M8 series is the best..
Thank You
Caleb could you please tell us what the picture quality is like on the Walmart brand Vizio? It only has 10 local dimming zones. Will picture quality suffer a big drop in quality?
Love your vids, always clear and concise. I have two TCLs, a 5 series (43" as an office PC monitor and TV) and a 6 series (65" for the living room), both from 2018. I love them both but I was shocked at how much better the colors and blacks were on the Visio. I may have to pick one up.
I compared tcl 6 2018 vs 2019, and those were the same things I noticed better on the 2019 model. I've seen the vizio m8 next to the tcl 6 2019 and they are also both very close in colors and black levels. Tcl is brighter, and If you need more brightness from vizio, Costco has the Vizio top model pqx for $900. ( It used to normally be $300 more than this).
Dave DuMond Bought my girlfriend a 55 inch TCL 5 Series and it crapped out at 14 months. Bought the matching TCL sound bar and sub, but it never worked correctly on the TCL. Bought her a Samsung. TV is great and the sound bar now works. Wouldn’t buy a TCL again. Stick with Samsung or LG
Hi.. which of the two you recommend more. I love intense blacks and bright colors and I love HDR and Dolby Vision. I like to watch my movies with the light off in TOTAL darkness which would be better for my taste. WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND ME??
The vizio m558 series using value tech cents basic setup on RUclips. You will love his calibration
What is the model number for the 2020 TCL 6 series? Is it the 625, I’ve looked everywhere and can’t find the information.
There is an Amazon link in the vid description
I was surprised of the vizio's performance because I have been looking at the TCL for the price. I enjoyed the review.
cant get parts for vizios i bought a tcl an it has a dig tunner
I bought an expensive Vizio premium TV and after 15 months it went bad. It was gently set up in an open area the day it was purchased adult owned, and had a apc unit connected to protect it from electrical jolts. You only get 1 shot with me. I purchased a TCL no issues.
Are you going to do a review on the updated version of the TCL 6 and Vizio M series once they are release and can you do the review on the updated P series from Vizio
So the 6 series is getting vrr. As a big gamer does that change the opinion on what tv is better for the gamer? Does it make the much of a difference where the other qualities of the Vizio get out weighed?
Which one of these Lasts longer? im trying to get something thats going to last me at least 5-7 years
Hey Caleb I just got the m6 the 70 from Best Buy I asked them if it was the same they said yes.. Urgh I like the m6 but I wanted the m7 . Is there a big difference between the two? Plus I also wanted a 70 inch
M7 has higher nits. Plus Variable Refresh Rate. M6 does not
Is the TV screen too fragile compared to other Smart TVs?'
Great video as always guys. Can't wait for the new 2020 TCL series
I bought the vizio last year for under 500 bucks, and I was so happy with the performance, that I bought the vizio p series quantum for the living room.
I wanted the P series but they started at 65 inch and above.
@@lamarsmith5310 it is definitely worth the money, the HDR is amazing, super bright in my dark front room.
@@lamarsmith5310 it's on sale at Costco and Sam's club for $999 the 65 inch. It's a bargain. It was $1,599 3 months ago. Sales ends this Saturday or Sunday. If you buy it, get from Costco. 90 days return policy, no questions ask. Sam's club is a jungle.
Ohhh please compare TCL 8 series Vs Vizio M series quantum 😃
Great video again, Caleb. In comparing the 2 sets, does anyone know if the Visio supports Dolby Atmos passthrough like the TCL does? Definitely want to have that when I buy my next TV.
Just picked up a 2020 M7 yeah, 20 dimming, HDR10+, HDR10, Dolby Vision, HLG and most importantly eARC for Atmos and DTS X from Best Buy as an Open Box and for $400 and this TV delivers the goods.
DES sometimes, but I don't care about that. I can actually see the contrast difference and hear the sound difference from my 2017 LG 4K it supplanted. You can't go wrong with any modern TV I believe. Just make sure it has eARC
Either way, both brands offer great value over bigger brands. I have the original TCL 6 Series and picture quality is great, comparable to TVs that cost more at the time.
I love the picture but all the newer movies are all wide screen which cut the image way too much for me . Ugh might return the tcl 6
@@clumsynelly You're not going to find a TV that's 21:9
Should i stick with Sony x900h out of these 2 Tv? Or samsung Tu8000?
Hey! I’m in the market for a new TV to out in my basement that has 2 large vertical windows an will be seated approximately 10’ away from where I want to mount it. Looking for a 75” tv, very max budget is 1,300. Mostly stream watch sports and Netflix. Can you give me a few great options??
Thank you in advance!
Watch their video comparing TCL 75" to Hisense 75". Both companies have incredible panels and tech for the money.
On top of Dolby Vision, HDR10, and HLG didn't Vizio release a firmware update for HDR10+ support on the M series as well? Or did that only go to their higher class models?
It did. I only own a couple of HDR10+ 4K blu-rays, but my player doesn't support it. I have confirmed it through some Amazon Prime shows that support it however.
I'm a little confused on the difference between the Vizio M55Q8-H1 and M558-G1 models. Are these both M8-series?
The m55q8 is the 2020 model with the new hdmi 2.1 and the other one is the 2019 model
@@KingSanchez69 Thanks! Do you know if any reviews of the m55q8 are out yet? I had heard that it was going to be a Walmart and Amazon-only release or something
@@aboynts4561 no reviews that I know of yet, I'm considering the mq8 aswell because of the 2.1 but the TV supposedly doesn't go up to 120hz so it won't take full advantage of it
2 vizio previously said it would be a walmart and Amazon exclusive but since release it's only been popping up at Walmart 🤷🏾♂️
Dang I can't decide on what tv to get! What's the exact model number of the Vizio? The link is showing a pretty low price, if thats the right model then I would think the Vizio at about 150 dollars less would be the winner
If you choose a smaller screen size are there less dimming zones?
how long do i need to wait for the 2020 model? worth it to wait?
Would you recommend the Vizio M8 over an LG M9000?
Caleb, Caleb, Caleb is Awesome!!...the one and only Digital Trends presenter that always gets it right.
Great video. I just wished Vizio M-series support bluetooth because I like using my bluetooth headphones and bluetooth speakers a lot.
How difficult would it be to cast/mirror an android phone to the vizio tv? Does it have that capability built in and how is the quality and latency of the stream?
Kava77 it’s very easy
Hello Caleb,
How about comparing a recent mid tier TV like the Vizio M8 vs something like Sony's X900F? One is punching above it's price range and the other is still very relevant and has come down in price in the last year or so. It's still being sold in fairly large numbers for a 2018 model.
Got the Vizio M Series, got a lemon. It was really colorful, but it would turn off and on randomly, the os sucked, the WiFi connection kept dropping, hdr sucked. Returned the Vizio and got the TCL 6 series. TCL is better overall, not as much color but haven’t had a single issue with it and Roku is smooth.
TCL ALL THE WAY ONE OF THE BEST TV'S I EVER HAD GREAT PRICE TOO
2020 TCL Series 6 is bright, but washed out with fake color blends and more $. I have both. Vizio actually has better pic and more features now in 2020 series.
Late to the game but literally watched this 4 times. Great info man thanks!
Can you talk about antenna-specific features in future videos? I know Roku TVs feature a guide, live tv pause, etc... but not too familiar if they have anything comparable on Vizio, LG, Samsung, Sony etc. As far as I know Samsung disables timeshift on US televisions.
I was waiting for this review since October, i went with vizio 55 m8 and no regrets. Got mine for 450 with tax on October from bestbuy. For that price and tv quality it was a steal!
For some reason on the store TCL seem more dim and less color pop, also screen looked dirty
You said they both had the same number of HDMI ports. I need 4 but the TCLs I have seen have only 2. Maybe the ones you’re comparing have more?
The TCL has 4
Who speakers are better ? Louder ofc ?
are they the same price? this important
I just ordered the Hisense H8G 65” for $699! I heard it was a good tv. Upgrading from a 2015 Samsung 55”
Let us know what you think about it
Taking your advice and waiting for a 2020 model tv buy... 70-75” .... p series quantum x 2020 or equivalent 2020 tcl. Lots of gaming and movies, smart interface not super important, very bright setting daytime room, and very dark at night. (Obviously could change when they are released but based on ces and general knowledge)..... ready?.... GO!
Will I have a problem watching sports on either of these? Is motion an issue with sports?
Sports (basketball and football) have always looked fine to me. Sometime, very fast motion is an issue & scenes that are panning to the left or right.. there is some kind of slow response studder on tcl6 (not sure if Vizio m8 is better). But most times I am not bothered by this effect. The image quality is outstanding especially on static scenery. I think it may sometimes be caused by a slow internet streaming connection. But a faster response time tv like Sony and surprisingly Hicense h9f may do better for the same scenes.
My Vizio just crapped out so I bought the 55” TCL 6 series. I must say I Luuuvvvv my new TCL! The picture is just amazing to me and I love how simple it is to use Roku tv.I know Vizio won this comparison but I promise you will Love the TCL!!!!!
Yes older and newer tcl 6 also get brighter than Vizio m. I think both are nearly the same good. Rttings rates Vizio m slightly better in movies and hdr movies rating by 0.1 and 0.2. so Vizio m is deserving but there are trade offs in punchy bright highlights vs the tcl 6 and hicense h9F.
I will not know the difference unless I have 2 TVs to compare. Since I don't, don't make a difference. Both look good to me!
I Just bought the VIZIO - 55" Class - LED - M-Series Quantum Series - 2160p - Smart - 4K UHD TV with HDR
Model:
M50Q7-H1.. Have you done a review on this model?.. or is this model far different than the M558.. other than fewer dimming zones.. I bought it for my living room that is not that bright just for movies action/drama only.. Home theater set up separate.. I paid $399 from best buy.. This is My very first smart tv coming from the plasma world ;>(
Off access viewing I assume is trash bcuz it is on the Vizio quantum?
crushed blacks are an interesting thing to make note of. Although I love that my samsung has super black blacks there's definitely an issue with any darkened scenes regardless of brightness and contrast settings and regardless of natural/ambient lighting. For 2 years I just thought that my vision was failing.
Is the H8G still coming out in March? if so then when?
I have m series Vizio and TCL set's ..and the TCL offers a better viewing experience and is way better to navigate to all what it has to offer....But the Viz does have a very good picture also .But i have to say the RoKu experience is way better. my 2 cent's
You can always buy a different streaming device 😉
That's very nice to hear. I agree.. both tvs have pretty dang good image quality for the $$$.---they both scored similarly by Rttings. But the professionals seem to like grazing hairs and nitpicking tvs to death to see any small differences--and they all seem to like the Vizio M more than TCL 6 for Movies in the dark and HDR by 0.1 rating. ...check rttings 8.2 vs 8.1. I also own the TCL 625 (and have owned the 615) and thought they were both great (and good enough for me since I got a reasonable price 65" $590). But I guess this is the first video that shows more love for Vizio M. (just this week a deal came for Vizio M @ $650 with dell $200 so that makes it a better deal on paper). I'm happy with the TCL6 as long as I don't notice any DSE (which mine is hardly visible at all) and it doesn't break down. --My only other minor issue with panel lottery on this tv is I have a couple stuck grey Pixels (one tiny one in the middle and another one on the very bottom left side..But fortunately I can only see them 4 feet away or less. & I mostly sit 6 to 9 feet away where I cannot see them.)
See, I find through viewing experience better on the M series. I don't like bright tv's and that's a reason I didn't buy a Samsung. As for smart cast its never been a must have or use feature for me. I use it sometimes but most of the time I use my 4K fire. stick.
@@lamarsmith5310 Sometimes brightness is important in a room with lots of light, and for the greater pop in HDR highlights like bright headlights of a car, , or sparks & explosions in sci-fi films. The TCL 6 2018 non-quantum has 1100 nits so has this advantage much more than Vizio M quantum dot and slightly more than TCL 6 2019 quantum dot. hicense h9f also belongs with this group. All the higher priced TVs $1300+ have nits brightness well past 1000 nits around 1400nits to 2000nits from eg. Vizio pqx, TCL 8, Sony x950g, Samsung q90r. But yes , brightness is not as important in a dark room , which is why Vizio M8 still rates very good (with the help of its black uniformity, contrast, color space & good local dimming.) it's a win for everyone looking at all these budget tvs.
This is exactly the comparison I've been looking at for the past week
By the way, i went with the 55" Vizio and the colors are literally jaw dropping.
Great job as always Caleb! Hope all is well my friend!
At CES TCL announced that "select models" of the 6 series is getting HDMI 2.1 and VRR support in a firmware update "later this year"... anyone know if there is more information on if that will become reality? Strongly considering between these two models and tempted to go TCL just on account of the possibility of that update.
Only vrr up to 60hz ( doubtful it will go to 120hz since it is only a 60hz panel). Hdmi probably will not be 2.1 but it will have a partial features of 2.1 like vrr.
I wouldn't be surprised if everything is delayed for a few months due to covid. Maybe update won't come until the mid to late summer at the earliest. It was supposed to come in the late spring so we'll see.
I'm so confused. The tcl 6 series review says it was done 7 months ago, and this comparison over a year ago...
Also, I'm looking at the vizio on walmart and it definitely says it has vrr.
I'm very surprised the Vizio beat the TCL set, I was not expecting that at all.
Mike Cox the Vizio crushes it.
Why? I did!
for the interface on the vizio tv, can't you just hook it up to a roku stick or box and it will be pretty much the same as the tcl tv?
He mentioned that at the very end
Not surprised at all since using hardware calibrator my Vizio is able to basically get infinite contrast using FALD since black uniformity zone let it completely black out screen like an OLED. Also Vizio uses active pixel tuning which is also supposed to help darken screen so maybe that's another reason why it almost always has better contrast scores than other LED TV's.
Updated by 2016 Vizio M for a TCL Q825. Able to get an open box at Best Buy for $699 so couldn't pass it up.
Excelente Review com bons exemplos de imagem 👏😁
Can you do an updated comparison with the latest models?
Is these TVs the latest just release 2020 tcl 6 series and Visio m series???? Or is it last year TVs?
They are both 2019 TV's. But they have both only been on the market since summer of 2019, so only 9months new.
New 2020 will probably be out in the summer for around $1000 and probably won't t drop to $800 or less until Sept 2020, assuming Corona virus doesn't drastically affect the world trade and life by that time.
I could be wrong about price drops...We may not see $750 to $900 until later in the fall or Black Friday...If we r lucky then maybe $600ish.
Waiting for that 950H and 900H review!
I am getting strong weatherman vibes...love it!
It's about as good as my h8 f actually it's just under my H9F. Is it 60 hrtz or 120 hrtZ? TCL has also historically had issues with dark spots in their screens have they fixed this quality control issue.
Looking to replace a Vizio 2013 or 14 model non hdr , I am assuming anything from this or last will be a dramatic improvement , I would like to get a 75” , but don’t want to spend 1000$ , I assume even a large tv for for not a lot money would still be a drastic improvement. Thanks for your time and keep up the videos.
Yeah the 65" deals are much lower in price between $600 and $800. The 75" are always around $1000. The lowest deal I've ever seen was a Sams store display model of a Vizio 75"pqx with more discounts from a sale in Jan or Feb for $940.
M658 was on sale 2 weeks ago in costco for only 499. Bought one emmediately immediately and will arrive this weekend.
Bill Latibay how you like it so far?
I just checked not anymore it's 599 but still is a great deal
David Shryock a week after they discounted the p quantum x 65” at 899.