Sadly, RUclips compression seems to have killed all the BFI ghosting comparison shots. And the TV vs Gaming Monitor comparisons towards the end aren't as defined as they should be. LOL and you can't even see the noise in the CRT mask section. If I felt this TV was a good value, I'd have gone back and reshot everything, but I just don't think it's for retro gamers. There IS a good use case for it, so hopefully the video demonstrates that well enough!
Some may be lost due to compression, this is true.. But I do believe that as long as you shoot decent offscreens and always view these types of videos at the resolution and framerate that they were captured and uploaded at, I can always still notice and see the details I came to see. I will say that noticing ghosting images might be the first Ive realized I have a harder time seeing, maybe some photos could do this better justice, Idk.. but Again, I say great stuff and an excellent effort to capture it well.
I'm so glad you make videos like this because it's something I didn't even think of when I've been buying these TVs and trying to play retro games on them thinking nothing had anything to do with the other.
Thank you for testing this! I've had the 75inch version on my wish list for a while now and it's really nice to see the lag test for it and how much some features affect that. I wasn't expecting amazing performance, but it's good to see proof that their MQX series definitely has better gaming performance than Vizio's other models like their P series.
Couple things I thought of while watching: 1. Could those artifacts be caused by the noise reduction? 2. In regards TV being less laggy in the middle as opposed to the top or bottom, I hypothesize that may be due to the fact that the panel isnt truly a single panel. My Vizio E50-F2 seems to be split down the middle. Sometimes my TV will crash and the panel looks it's split vertically. Maybe they do this because of higher yields? I could also be completely wrong lol
Great video. Honestly for my needs, I'd buy a 85 inch 1080p 60hz TV if the price, input lag, and pixel response was good enough. Most my gaming is on Switch and Xbox Series S, so 4K is over rated for my current needs.
Bob with your insider connections you should convince some manufacturer to physically emulate a CRT with LCD by using a barrelled glass cover for the screen and big pitch LCD pixels, even emulating the scanning process one pixel at a time, left to right, top to bottom. There would be a market for them.
@@jimbotron70problem is there is a market but it’s still so niche the cost of manufacturing would be insanely high. This is why stuff like the retrotink 4k may hit close to $1k
@@mikeg2491 I believe the Chinese could do it, they would be modified LCDs/OLEDs, not retroengineered technology with unavailable or hard to source pieces.
Sorry to hear about getting a dud, but appreciate the heads up in the beginning. I would definitely be interested in reviews for a high refresh rate TV for retro gaming.
I love my LG OLEDs! Amazing job keeping the review in the realm of retro gaming, easily a slippery slope. I have the Marseille upscaler for my Switch, great little upscaler but clearly, I should have waited for the RetroTINK. The CRT emulation mode is pretty wild!
I have a Sony X85J 43 inch 4K 120 Hz TV, and I love it. I personally wouldn't even bother with 1080p 240 Hz, as there's just diminishing returns at that point, on top of the fact that 1080p looks more blurry than either 4K or 1440p.
Thx for making this video. I have the same TV because it checked all the right boxes. I also have it hooked up to a original retrotink 2x. Still got to dial in the settings for a PS2. Any input appreciated.
I love this!, exactly what I'm starting to wonder myself as I dig deeper into MiSTer configurations w diff TV/Monitors.. basically the fullest picture/highest resolution w correct scaling and no interpolation, correct scan line and shadow mask filters, setting the console to scale as it was originally developed, then using the TVs BFI, VRR, frame rate/scaling options, etc.. all these things need considering to achieve the most perfect and accurate picture imo, one that pushes the limits yet still retains all the OG glory lol. Can we someday match a CRTs motion clarity?? ..just maybe I think lol. haha Great Stuff as always.. I see and hear you loud and clear Bob.
"Can we someday match a CRTs motion clarity??" - Yes, but we're at least 5 years away from that. My OLED's running at 1440p240 come close, but 4K500 and higher is most likely needed.
@@RetroRGB haha right!.. 500hz outa do it! We know whats really needed.. better overshoot just to be certain lol. Again great stuff, type of detaild info im def looking for.. kinda feel like this is the proper evolution of what started RetroRGB in the first place, just on a new level now lol. Thanks.
See if the blur busters strobe utility will let you tune the BFI on the TV in PC mode. You should be able to use custom resolutions with large vertical totals and strove tune it to get rid of its Double Image, or at least make it much less noticeable
Would you recommend this 4 A computer Monitor because I want to play my Xbox series x on it and play my Gaming emulation for classic games like ps2 or n64 and also do some office work with it like excels and MS word
HDR would be essential to make CRT filters look good especially when you tack on BFI. Since this is an LCD technically you also want some backlight zone dimming in order to not get garbage contrast, though this will come at the cost of blooming artifacts especially with a low zone count and probably bad dimming algorithm on a cheap TV like this.
Yup. It's a bit of a DYI solution, but it's great. Here's some links: www.retrorgb.com/ossc-dexx-new-features-leave-mister-ram-connected.html www.retrorgb.com/ossc-dexx-addon-for-de-10-demod.html
@@RetroRGB Thanks for the link! And yes! I have been using my oled laptops and projector for so long, the other day I turned on my old panny plasma (the gen before the last), and wow, even without HDR or extra niceties, the image was so good. I preferred movie watching (things look more 3 dimensional) on it vs my RGB oled laptop despite the OLED beating it out on blacks etc
@retrorgb I literally had this tv in my cart ready to check out. Now I’m not sure what to do! Was hoping to find a 48-50” tv that was 4k/120hz and good latency for retro gaming
@@RetroRGB I pulled the trigger on the 48” LG C3, which sadly still suffers from the 4:3 latency issues like it’s predecessor. Finding a C1 is like finding hens teeth. Looks like my 32” Trinitron will live on for a few more years.
these are still kinda useless for modern consoles bec they dont support 240hz so really only high end pcs can use these. at least i think. but it’s cool that these are out there at a reasonable price. thanks for highlighting this for us bob. i always appreciate videos like this
These aren't necessarily designed for consoles. More and more in the PC gaming scene people are using TVs instead of monitors, so TV manufacturers are adding more and more of these kind of performance features. If you're thinking consoles, then ... just consider it a form of future proofing your purchase?
Im looking for a 4k 120hz 50” tv with no burn in from FPS games HUD. Preferably with at least 2 HDMI ports capable of 4k 120hz so i can have a PS5 and Xbox series X running at full potential. Im lost with all the tech terms and options on the market 🤪
Hours, but not days. OLED's should have protection against that. I'd check rtings.com and see what they say. If there was a risk of burn-in, their crazy test setup would show it :)
I think 43 is a great size for a NYC apartment. It sucks that I have to shell out a lot more money for something with the same feature set at this size. I took your recommendation several years ago and bought the TCL 4 Series TV. While I hate the HDR, it's been solid in all other uses, especially gaming. If I don't get this Vizio, I'm getting another one.
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Sadly, RUclips compression seems to have killed all the BFI ghosting comparison shots. And the TV vs Gaming Monitor comparisons towards the end aren't as defined as they should be. LOL and you can't even see the noise in the CRT mask section. If I felt this TV was a good value, I'd have gone back and reshot everything, but I just don't think it's for retro gamers. There IS a good use case for it, so hopefully the video demonstrates that well enough!
Pixels Per Inch.
Ideal PPI is 108+.
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3840 x 2160 (4K)
@55" = 80.11
@48" = 91.79
@40" = 110.15
Some may be lost due to compression, this is true.. But I do believe that as long as you shoot decent offscreens and always view these types of videos at the resolution and framerate that they were captured and uploaded at, I can always still notice and see the details I came to see. I will say that noticing ghosting images might be the first Ive realized I have a harder time seeing, maybe some photos could do this better justice, Idk.. but Again, I say great stuff and an excellent effort to capture it well.
I'm so glad you make videos like this because it's something I didn't even think of when I've been buying these TVs and trying to play retro games on them thinking nothing had anything to do with the other.
Thank you for testing this! I've had the 75inch version on my wish list for a while now and it's really nice to see the lag test for it and how much some features affect that. I wasn't expecting amazing performance, but it's good to see proof that their MQX series definitely has better gaming performance than Vizio's other models like their P series.
Fantastic video Bob! Thanks for all the time you spent testing this Vizio!
Thanks bro 👌🏼🙌 super interesting and WELL edited
Can anyone recommend a 4k120 50 inch TV that is around the same price as this TV but with better performance? I was looking into picking up this TV.
Couple things I thought of while watching:
1. Could those artifacts be caused by the noise reduction?
2. In regards TV being less laggy in the middle as opposed to the top or bottom, I hypothesize that may be due to the fact that the panel isnt truly a single panel. My Vizio E50-F2 seems to be split down the middle. Sometimes my TV will crash and the panel looks it's split vertically. Maybe they do this because of higher yields? I could also be completely wrong lol
Great video.
Honestly for my needs, I'd buy a 85 inch 1080p 60hz TV if the price, input lag, and pixel response was good enough. Most my gaming is on Switch and Xbox Series S, so 4K is over rated for my current needs.
Bob with your insider connections you should convince some manufacturer to physically emulate a CRT with LCD by using a barrelled glass cover for the screen and big pitch LCD pixels, even emulating the scanning process one pixel at a time, left to right, top to bottom.
There would be a market for them.
*_LOL Who? Who would buy that?_*
@@kevindie Retrogamers, because real CRTs are a dying breed? 🙄
@@jimbotron70problem is there is a market but it’s still so niche the cost of manufacturing would be insanely high. This is why stuff like the retrotink 4k may hit close to $1k
@@mikeg2491 I believe the Chinese could do it, they would be modified LCDs/OLEDs, not retroengineered technology with unavailable or hard to source pieces.
Sorry to hear about getting a dud, but appreciate the heads up in the beginning. I would definitely be interested in reviews for a high refresh rate TV for retro gaming.
That intro was hilarious, man.
I love my LG OLEDs! Amazing job keeping the review in the realm of retro gaming, easily a slippery slope. I have the Marseille upscaler for my Switch, great little upscaler but clearly, I should have waited for the RetroTINK. The CRT emulation mode is pretty wild!
This is still gonna be better than my led o n n roku
This whole time we have been in Bob's bedroom?!?! LOL! Thanks for the review!
I have a Sony X85J 43 inch 4K 120 Hz TV, and I love it. I personally wouldn't even bother with 1080p 240 Hz, as there's just diminishing returns at that point, on top of the fact that 1080p looks more blurry than either 4K or 1440p.
That's actually the next one I was looking at: The X85K. I just want to wait for it to go on sale.
Thx for making this video. I have the same TV because it checked all the right boxes. I also have it hooked up to a original retrotink 2x. Still got to dial in the settings for a PS2. Any input appreciated.
Pardon my question, but is sharpness supported in 1080p 240hz?
Yes and it didn’t really make a difference. I should have showed that in the review - Sorry!
I love this!, exactly what I'm starting to wonder myself as I dig deeper into MiSTer configurations w diff TV/Monitors.. basically the fullest picture/highest resolution w correct scaling and no interpolation, correct scan line and shadow mask filters, setting the console to scale as it was originally developed, then using the TVs BFI, VRR, frame rate/scaling options, etc.. all these things need considering to achieve the most perfect and accurate picture imo, one that pushes the limits yet still retains all the OG glory lol. Can we someday match a CRTs motion clarity?? ..just maybe I think lol. haha Great Stuff as always.. I see and hear you loud and clear Bob.
"Can we someday match a CRTs motion clarity??" - Yes, but we're at least 5 years away from that. My OLED's running at 1440p240 come close, but 4K500 and higher is most likely needed.
@@RetroRGB haha right!.. 500hz outa do it! We know whats really needed.. better overshoot just to be certain lol. Again great stuff, type of detaild info im def looking for.. kinda feel like this is the proper evolution of what started RetroRGB in the first place, just on a new level now lol. Thanks.
Great review thanks
See if the blur busters strobe utility will let you tune the BFI on the TV in PC mode.
You should be able to use custom resolutions with large vertical totals and strove tune it to get rid of its Double Image, or at least make it much less noticeable
Would you recommend this 4 A computer Monitor because I want to play my Xbox series x on it and play my Gaming emulation for classic games like ps2 or n64 and also do some office work with it like excels and MS word
Personally, I’d prefer a nice gaming monitor instead. But there aren’t any 50” gaming monitors, so you’ll have to choose price vs features.
Hey man do you have any recommendations on a Tv for the PS5 Pro for 600 or less?
iS it too soft due to the sharpness fine control set down to zero ? Good review.
HDR would be essential to make CRT filters look good especially when you tack on BFI. Since this is an LCD technically you also want some backlight zone dimming in order to not get garbage contrast, though this will come at the cost of blooming artifacts especially with a low zone count and probably bad dimming algorithm on a cheap TV like this.
Did you mention somesort of DEX scaler in the video?
Yup. It's a bit of a DYI solution, but it's great. Here's some links:
www.retrorgb.com/ossc-dexx-new-features-leave-mister-ram-connected.html
www.retrorgb.com/ossc-dexx-addon-for-de-10-demod.html
@@RetroRGBThanks, its for Mister. Thats the reason I dont know about it.
It’s not for mister. It just uses the same dev board. Please check the second link.
Does it have crosshairs?
Well, that was a bummer...good news is, we get another TV review?
How do you like your Panasonic plasma and what's that game called? Lunestes?
Oh crap, I forgot to link to the game!!! store.steampowered.com/app/1701800/Lunistice/
Also, I LOVE that plasma. It’s so much better than this Vizio.
@@RetroRGB Thanks for the link! And yes! I have been using my oled laptops and projector for so long, the other day I turned on my old panny plasma (the gen before the last), and wow, even without HDR or extra niceties, the image was so good. I preferred movie watching (things look more 3 dimensional) on it vs my RGB oled laptop despite the OLED beating it out on blacks etc
I get the feeling that as TVs advance, the more affordable ones tend to be worse in quality than the alternatives were before.
Should I go with this tv or a Sony 120hz I want a 50 inch 120 hz tv and I have no idea which brand to go with
I haven’t personally tested the Sony, but it’s gotta be better than this one.
@retrorgb I literally had this tv in my cart ready to check out. Now I’m not sure what to do! Was hoping to find a 48-50” tv that was 4k/120hz and good latency for retro gaming
I’d definitely suggest an LG OLED. They’re so good…but expensive. I’m still on the lookout for a budget TV though!
@@RetroRGB I pulled the trigger on the 48” LG C3, which sadly still suffers from the 4:3 latency issues like it’s predecessor. Finding a C1 is like finding hens teeth. Looks like my 32” Trinitron will live on for a few more years.
these are still kinda useless for modern consoles bec they dont support 240hz so really only high end pcs can use these. at least i think. but it’s cool that these are out there at a reasonable price.
thanks for highlighting this for us bob. i always appreciate videos like this
These aren't necessarily designed for consoles. More and more in the PC gaming scene people are using TVs instead of monitors, so TV manufacturers are adding more and more of these kind of performance features. If you're thinking consoles, then ... just consider it a form of future proofing your purchase?
Im looking for a 4k 120hz 50” tv with no burn in from FPS games HUD. Preferably with at least 2 HDMI ports capable of 4k 120hz so i can have a PS5 and Xbox series X running at full potential. Im lost with all the tech terms and options on the market 🤪
Nothing comes close to the price and performance of LG OLED's. Burn-in is only a problem with static images, like the Windows taskbar: amzn.to/3Hik3oo
@@RetroRGB i mostly play FPS so they have static hud images which stay on the screen for hours at a time
Hours, but not days. OLED's should have protection against that. I'd check rtings.com and see what they say. If there was a risk of burn-in, their crazy test setup would show it :)
So it actually does what it says....If I play a game on PC at 4K I will get 120HZ?
Yes. Or 1080p240.
Oh man 720p is all my mini consoles. Guess it’s a case use for the m classic to output 1440p … lol lag vs picture quality 😬
My biggest fear is buying a new tv that just doesn't feel right, or doesn't do one thing I would assume is standard.
Same. LG OLED's are always a good bet though!
@RetroRGB I hear good things about LGs, but what are your thoughts on the Sony OLEDs?
@@RetroRGB It's too bad their LCD offering are always IPS though--all else being equal, I prefer VA for the Superior contrast!
I've never personally tested a Sony OLED. Vincent has excellent info on them though: www.youtube.com/@hdtvtest
I have a Vizio sound bar and no issues it's a good match with the tv
I think 43 is a great size for a NYC apartment. It sucks that I have to shell out a lot more money for something with the same feature set at this size.
I took your recommendation several years ago and bought the TCL 4 Series TV. While I hate the HDR, it's been solid in all other uses, especially gaming. If I don't get this Vizio, I'm getting another one.
If you use the 4 k gammer or mclassic would look more sharper
The mClassic would do nothing for this TV.
You want local dimming on with video games.
You might wanna grab an OLED
I have one. LOL, I discussed this in great detail in the video...
@@RetroRGB was just kidding :D
Ahhh, my bad. It's hard to read humor in the comments sometimes :)
@@RetroRGB yes, true
No
You want full arry local dimming on !!!!!
Yeah Vizio 😐
Go buy a 50 inch monitor 240hz for 500 lol
This is the cheapest 120 hz on the market if your only going to use the tv for gaming I don’t see why you wouldn’t want this tv
It’s not the cheapest. And this entire video explains why you wouldn’t want it.
@@RetroRGB tell me which one is cheaper?
@LosoBanks_332is this tv a good tv for Series X? Is this tv a good tv for gaming and watching movies/shows? Btw is this tv set at 4k 120hz base or no?
I do my home work before I buy a tv