Pool Hall Sins and How to Avoid Them
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20+ years ago, I owned a game room / pool hall. When handicapping one brother over another, one suggested using the house broom. Both guys were in their 20's, and responsible enough to take care not to damage the felt, etc. so I allowed them to try it. Over time it became commonplace that players would challenge each other to shoot with the house broom. For the older of the brothers, it was no longer the equalizer, so when it was time to buy a new broom, I intentionally bought one due to its build, it had a slick plastic tip hanger on the end, and it swiveled. What English wasn't lost to the tip being plastic, was totally eliminated by the swivel action. Over time a few games were won using it, but the laughter and fun times it caused were worth the price paid even if it were never used to sweep a floor.
Requests to use it got so frequent I justput it in the house cue rack.l with the other cues. Fun memories. Thanks Modern Rogue.
Thats a great story. Wish i could have hung out there. Sounds like it was a cool place.
Cue pool halls across the world starting to have brooms appearing in cue racks, or a special display rack with a title board "The Equalisers".
Tldr
Our equalizer was to either use the wrong end of the cue or let the opponent pick the cue... in our pool hall, not all of them were straight, some were real bananas in the far back rack with enough dust that no one would take them accidentally.
I actually learned how to shoot with a metal broom handle. It's always a fun time when I break out a broom at the table.
I personally want to see Jason’s search history after researching an episode.
Other than adult movies, what are you hoping to find?
Inspiration
Mr. E Probably child research, but that’s more Brian’s thing.
@@Echs_D33 Did I miss something? Are you suggesting someone ihas a thing for kids, or am I just a bit confused?
WeChallenge Child=Changling I’d Like (To) Destroy.
The intro is the best skit u guys have ever done
i just wonder how they did throw back the cue back on table after its pocketed x)
Mme. Hyraelle Possibly 2D animation for the first couple of frames coming up from the hole then transition into a real throw and the ball landing and rolling
I thought it was a waste of time, haha and a major distraction from the substance of the video.
They also played pool wrong in the intro. When you make a shot you can shoot again.
@@mrpotat680 that's why they referred to "the sheboygan rules" in which (as everyone knows lol) you switch turns regardless of the outcome of the shot!
'Walks into pool hall'
"Jeffrey, break out Lucille"
Love that episode
You win
Awesome reference my friend! You win this round!
Fresh Prince :)
What a good Uncle he was
@@TheRPhelps24 he was an even better Shredder.
That opening skit seemed like something out of a billiards based anime and now I want one to exist
These intro sketches are the best, acting skills way over my expectations from a couple of modern rogues
Yea that laugh from Jason was golden
Brian "What about when the cue ball is this close?"
Pool expert "So here's how to shoot when the cue is halfway across the table."
Take a different shot ;P
make the bridge he showed, but on the rail
@@Polygonaldog ok. Im on the 8ball let me just shoot my opponents ball. ???
Mr Criteria he means to find some other angle/position
The expert said you couldn't use the border grip if the ball was too distant from the border, Brian got the opposite and asked what if the ball was nearer, which made no sense
It should be noted that this is American pool. While pretty similar, British pool does have some differences.
Main ones being different tables (pockets and felt), cues (tip size and ferrule) and balls (size and weight). On Brian's question about the sorting of the cue ball; British cue balls are slightly smaller than the rest of the balls.
This is kind of right. You mean, this is American "pocket billiards". British billiards is referred to as snooker. "Pool" is a slang term for American pocket billiards.
@@juderosenstock7571 yes and no. Snooker is a different sport - I meant British pool. Yes, I did use the abbreviation of American pool in that way
Sin #1: Pick a table adjacent to someone else playing when you can go 1 table over and not be adjacent to anyone. It's entirely unnecessary to pick a table next to someone and risk having to wait before taking a shot. Some times it even ruins the flow and the focus, or has someone rush their shot and miss. It's a scummy move.
Sounds like something my uncle would do.
Some tables are better than others
When i read the title i was expecting chooch jason from the bar episode
Used to work in a pool hall when I was 17-20. I learned by just observing tournaments and observing the old silver foxes playing. If you don't want to look like a total ass all you have to do is 1) be polite. 2) don't be loud. 3) walk over to your sitting/standing area when it's not your turn. That way you won't bother the next table or bother your brother with your movement or sounds when they are taking shots.
That's basically it. Most people really don't care how good you are as long as you are polite and don't bother them when taking shots.
Wes has exactly the same voice and way of speaking as Diamond Jim to the point that I had to check if they had the same last name and were brothers
I was about to say pretty much the same thing. :)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that lol
Pool Hall rule #1:
Don't mess around with Jim
Best way to mess with someone is to ask something like "fo you always hold the stick like that?" Or "which foot do you lean on when you shoot?" It'll guarantee to trip them up and have them thinking about their technique
You didn't hear what happened? You got it backward. You don't mess around with Slim these days.
"Sheboygan Style." From Wisconsin, can confirm.
I'm from WI as well and I assumed that they were just messing around and jokingly came up with "Sheboygan rules" at random. Please let me know if this is not so!
@@benjaminbenson3399 It just means the laser buys the next round of Busch Lattes
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"How to avoid pool hall sins"
Immediately opens on Jason warping his stick.
Sin No 1: "Hey, boys. Who's up for a game of snooker?"
Yeah, you cant play snooker on a pool table, too easy..
Snooker is ALOT of fun and challenging
@@snowjix no you can't nor can you play 8ball well on a snooker table mainly because the pockets
The chalk CAN be used just like talcum powder to soak up moisture from your bridge contact points. Baby powder is better but if all you have is just a bit sweat that ends up in wrong spot, you can touch it up with chalk to make it go away temporarily (if it happened once, it probably happens again..). Open bridge is better as there are less sweat glands in the skin, closer bridge gets moist so much faster and it happens during the shot, longer you aim, the stickier it gets as it can't evaporate..
I can remember the day i learned open bridge.. it was the first big leap. The next big leap was learning to use spins which starts the process of thinking one move ahead until you have a plan for the whole round.
edit: hustle.. won't work. You won't get enough bets against a stranger and betting isn't that common in the first place. We usually bet on beer, which is another good equalizer ;) Then you can get a free beer by hustling but it is more or less a prank level, not at real hustle. After all, if the other player is even half decent, pool has a lot of random involved. You can get in a tough spot and lose your main game.. Specially if you walk in to a bar with one pool table that hasn't been maintained and the locals know how it curves... hustling just don't happen in real life. Same as cheating in poker, it just doesn't happen. The circles are too small (i lived for a while playing poker with a partner and "hustling" until we were taken down back to zero..i was a new face that gave a little bit of edge and my partner was notorious for not being great, we split the profits)
It will soak up moisture but eventually, it'll just make your hands dirty and the abrasive elements will take over. If you're not using a glove, the best thing to do is keep your hands and cue as clean as possible.
@@juderosenstock7571 Fully agree, the problem is there and you can't keep reapplying that chalk. It will just get messy but for that one shot, yeah.. i'll do it and go wipe my hands when it's opponents turn.
Started working at a new place a month or so back, which means walking a new route to work. Noticed this real fancy pool hall on my way and every time I pass it I think "Hmm, that looks like a cool place. Shame I'll never know how to go inside without looking like an idiot". And then you guys come out with this episode. From now on I will a) wear a tinfoil hat at all times, b) vary my route to work at random, and c) visit the pool hall! Cracking episode guys!
Soooo many great memories this video brought back! 😎 Awesome topic for non-players. I laughed and/or smiled through most of the video. Thanks!
Most important rule in pool: Don't put your drink on the table.
This. If you did this at my house you’d never be invited back.
I can’t tell you how many signs we had in my college’s student center saying not to put drinks on the table, nor how many times it still happened regardless.
Many years ago, you put your drinks and cigs on the rails. It was the norm.
Especially a beautiful diamond table such as the one in the video that's one of the most disrespectful things u can pull
The thwack sound of a "sliced" cue is always hilarious to me. When someone skips the side of the ball with the cue. Everyone in the pool hall knows what it is
Edit: Which I now know is a miscue.
Can they do an arm wrestling episode? I would love to see it!
Why is this so appealing?
I think there's one on Scam School.
@@ctusiard9755 with professionals?
@@ctusiard9755 no its national geographic and he doesnt use many professional techniques
Devon laratt collab?
What does double or nothing mean, two Cowboy Beebop box sets against two Texas Chainsaw laserdiscs? 🤨
This etiquette should extend beyond the pool hall. People with no personal space awareness are the worst. In your damn cars too. There's other people, you know.
I really want to see the rogues playing snooker, cause it always feels like a very "British" game so it's cool seeing Americans learning to play
Don't stand next to the table when your opponent is shooting, don't walk past any table when someone is shooting, don't call out to a friend at the other end of the pool hall, and, finally, don't play 9-ball for $100 a game when you only have a few bucks in your pocket.
This makes the third of your videos I've watched. I like that they aren't all centered on a common subject. First it was RFID. Then Radios. So I thought "OK, electronics" which is cool. Now this, and I've got my eye on Jiu Jitsu. So it is not all tech stuff (even better.) The comedy adds to the entertainment factor, but most important is the guests. Nobody knows it all. I appreciate that yall (That's right. I'm from Dallas,Texas) don't act like you do or limit your content to what you do know. This could be my new favorite channel. Billiards, Williamiards ... I have another suggestion. If you just call it "Pool" the females might show up in bikinis!
How is it possible to make an intro so hilarious? I feel like that constitutes a like and subscribe by itself. Unfortunately I'm already subscribed so it's just a like, thanks for this video MRs!
I use to play shots behind my back for righthanded shots but then got serious in league and now I can play left or right handed. And wearing a glove on my right hand (play mainly left handed) it definitely gets into the opponent's head when you switch up (without switching the glove) and keep making shots
Now I'm ready to bet my life in a game against the ghost of the world pool champion! Thank you, Modern Rogue!
When that cue ball jumped back on the table I dropped my phone laughing 😂😂😂😂 good video
Damnit guys I was doing just fine until this video... Now I need to play some pool!!! Love your videos guys.
There is one channel that can make the content of every video that i like. Big fan of The Modern Rogue! : -)
This past Christmas I was in a tourist city in my state at a sports bar and in pool table area there was a younger to middle age guy and an older gentleman playing each other using each other to pull people into playing them and when the sucker would challenge one of them ,they would obviously be playing for cash, they would show their true colors by showing how good they were so when the sucker lost he would challenge for a double or nothing and lose again. Just an experience I got to see and this happened to multiple different people within about 2 hours.
6:21 demonetized
im probably being oblivious but i dont understand
Hahaha, I caught that too. In Austin no less. Bold play. 👌👌👌
It's the okay sign
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Well since my first comment was deleted, I guess I have to rephrase it for the flakes among us.
A large group of portside leaning individuals that are both brave and beautiful believe that the "ok" sign means authority belongs to the milky people.
@@BenAndSix It's not. ♥
before I even watch, stop putting your damn beer on the rails
and your cigarette
Or even worse... on the cloth
@@gfrerking if the den is any good those people get stabbed
haven't seen brian in years... look how well he has conformed to society. so proud
* Flashbacks to bar sins featuring triple glasses Jason *
this is kind of what I was expecting tbh!
hey boss!
7:11 the way they said it made me want to eat it, I'm glad the editor added the disclaimer 😂
As an Englishman pool is a thing which you could say is programmed into us but I love watching pool so this video is where I am.
I've heard snooker is the most watched sport in England. Do you think that's true?
"They would use a magnet to determine which one is the cue ball"
Hmmmmmm, time for the Modern Rogue episode on getting free pool in bars.
different use of the magnet. The version I saw has a metal shell in only the cue ball, so when the balls roll past a strong magnet in the ball return only the cue ball gets deflected into a different path. There wouldn't be a way to trick the machine into returning other balls since it's all mechanical
I once played regularly at a bar with a dedicated pool room (two tables). One table had a fault with the coin operation. The plates holding the coins were opening up to drop them after the balls were dispensed, meaning you could play for free (if you were so minded)...
We would turn up as a group, often using both tables solidly for a few hours (obviously dropping to using only one table on the rare occasion somebody else wanted to play), and would generally sneak one free game for every five we paid for between the tables. It wasn't about screwing the bar over for free pool; but when you find an exploit, not ever using it would be a shame.
The secret is c512a, just don't get caught
Checking in before watching: I'm actually pretty pumped about this episode, even moreso than I usually am for MR. My cousin was known as the best bank pool player to ever live...yes I'm serious. Check out Eddie Taylor "The Knoxville Bear". Unfortunately, Eddie passed when I was little, but his skills are still discussed at every reunion. I've got 2 of his signed cues that he used, never letting those get out of the family. :)
how is rhonda
@@wlidbill5261 which Rhonda, if you dont mind me asking?
Never been good at pool, but...........
Awesome video
I’m a huge fan and a new rogue (joined a few days ago) keep up the great work!😀
I do put a bit of cue chalk on my hand, but only after I've washed my hands after going to the toilet when the drier doesn't completely dry my hands.
i felt attacked in this because me and my friend would always elevate high to go for jump shots cause he enjoyed trickshots more than actual pool, although i liked actual pool more but still loved the amazing feeling of hitting nice trickshots
At least Jerry Seinfeld is looking younger these days... Didn't know he played pool.
I thought the same thing! "What's up with pool!?"
Damn, I wish I could get Nicholas Cage to teach me how to play pool
Guy sounds like an 80's game commentator. He acquired the ultimate state of mind, he's so calm and collected his body is room temperature.
Wait, he lightened up later
Brian asked how to shoot when right next to the edge, but the guy started discussing bridges if the cue was further in. Because of that, they never went over a good bridge to use when right next to the edge. Any chance for a followup for that one?
Wow that’s crazy I love pool and I’ve actually been to skinny bobs a couple of times. It’s a nice place haven’t been in a while though.
I live an hour away from Sheboygan, Wi and have never heard Sheboygan style
All the years I've played pool, I've never seen anyone else take use their opposite hand other than myself. Other than breaks, I can play just as well with either.
Finally an episode with stuff I'm very likely to use at least a couple of times in my life
I haven't played pool in probably 15 years. Back then I used to prowl the halls, looking for challenges. I slid from shadow to shadow, dragging my pool cue behind me (it had a little wheel on the end). And then, disaster, a freak check signing accident crippled the nerves in both hands, ending my career just as it was getting started.
Seriously, I played 15 years ago, me and some friends in college decided it would be fun, so we played once or twice a week for a couple of semesters (and a summer). I got to be okay... not great, but I had fun. The nerve damage is real (not from signing checks though), but it predates my pool playing days and as far as I know didn't affect my play (or maybe it did, but I never knew).
(I also studied the historical Jesus in college, since it was a school that trained pastors... I didn't end up becoming a pastor, though. God directed my path elsewhere.)
I love to play pool. Im not very good, Im decent at best with a couple of drinks in me, but either way I think it is a very good thing for meeting new friends, female and male, and just have a good time. In my experience most pool players are pretty nice people.
Thanks! I've always enjoyed the people I've met through pool. It's one of the rare places that tends to attract people from all walks of life.
"That's infected." Is now the perfect throw off phrase. No one can possibly focus a shot while wondering "WTF is infected? Am I infected? Is there something on the back of my head I haven't seen!?!?!" Fucking holy shit. You can use that on anyone as long as you get close and behind them during a game. Time it to when you think they're gonna shoot. And they're gonna be tilted asf. Straight doing them dirty.
That intro was dope!
Edit:
Samson and The Chooch, off duty
For me, the number one mistake in pool halls, the one that drives me up the wall the most, is dumping the full set of balls on the table or tossing them onto the table from the ball return, instead of placing them.
That may have been the best intro you guys have done so far.
WHY DIDNT THIS COME OUT EARLIER!! I PLAYED POOL FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH A COUPLE OF MY FRIEND WHO WERE ALSO FIRST TIMERS LIKE A DAY BEFORE THIS CAME OUT.
One does not have a Fargo nor a apa rating if they never play a league or tournament.. When I play, nobody knows who I am. When I go I to a pool hall, or bar I can tell really fast if there is money there.
Ok I'm pausing at 1:55.... Thank you for that opening... fantastic
If open bridge is right, you shouldn't have much friction, even on house cues. When I was younger, I didn't know how to do it, and friction was always a problem. Then, started copying how the pros bridged watching ESPN billiards back in the day, and it was a game-changer; the 'ok' sign was the key, and let the cue rest on thumb knuckle applying little friction from the index finger and using the ring finger as a guide... no glove needed. The fiber-carbon shafts are nice and smooth too.
Yeah, carbon fiber shafts are still very new. About a year ago, there were only two companies producing them and I predicted, by 2020, there would be at least a dozen. Turns out, I was right. Unfortunately, they're also very expensive so I'm waiting until the next expo to give them all a test-run. The benefits are, they're non-porous so they're always smooth, unlike wood which retains dirt and moisture which makes the cue sticky. They're also very strong and stiff which creates minimal deflection, they don't dent, and they transfer more power to the cue ball than a standard wood shaft.
I’m gonna pitch this a modern rogue episode on accent and call it the Modern Rogue on Modern Brogues
The beginning plays out like a rocketjump clip and i love it
Intro had so much high-school skit for Spanish class energy
Up next you guys need to show us how to eat around a pool table. Maybe include some recopies.
I laughed so hard at "K·B Toys" that I broke out into a coughing fit.
Totally worth it.
Why wasn't the intro an episode of Samson a d the Chooch?
I don't know when the last time was a video made me actually laugh out loud but this intro did it
When playing in a pool hall, notice that people like to play mind games. Unlike drug dealers who get violent. When they talk they it is "jive talk" and considered to be smart/wise guys. People that hang in the pool and don't take risk like gamblers. Not flashy as people who go to the club.
The intro is literally the best gents!
Glad to see a new upload - but I'll have to watch it later, busy making a modern rogue ultimate burger right now 😝
I'm taking Organic Chemistry in college rn and that's a big time consumer 😅
I really appreciated that Quantum Leap mention.
Oooh a pool video. Was waiting for something like this.
Ah, classic MR. Unfortunately it’ll never be that way again.
Suggestion do a video on poker etiquette.
Guy in the black shirt is like Jerry Seinfeld if he never had his big break
I was thinking exactly that.
Payton Borland i was thinkin more of nick cage
hes my dad
this is such a pleasant video!! the pool guys are great. good vibes. sweet energies. love it
Jason was on fire in this episode
20:52~
I wonder, what should you do if every lane around your table is a common space?
I also still see a lot of pool sharks who will hustle you out of your money, they evaluate how good you are and just shoot a little better than you, and sometimes let you win a game once in a while to keep you playing. They are really good, but they never show you their best game, they make it look like they are just a little better than you, when they are actually a lot better, you just dont know it, because they are good at hustling people. If they are known in the area it is harder for them to hustle people because they know how good you are, so the hustlers often go to a city near them where nobody knows who they are. There are a lot of good pool players who are not on tv (or the internet) who can hustle you for some real money and you would never even know you have been hustled. And to be honest, unless you are a pro or in youtube videos nobody is going to know who you are, you can be an average guy who is at a pro level and walk into any bar or pool hall and hustle people. I know 20 people right now who are unknown who could hustle anyone (except a pro) and nobody would know who they are, except the local people in their area. I used to hustle people for money all the time and I got really good at it, 99% of them never even knew they had been hustled. I just played a little better than they did, and did not use any highly skilled english shots on the cue ball. The #1 rule is do not run any tables in 1 shot, and the #2 rule is study the person you are playing and play just a little better than they do, that way they think they almost won when they barely lose to you, when in reality they had no chance and they were being hustled. The #3 rule is always use a house cue, never take your own 2 piece cue in to a bar or pool hall if you plan to hustle someone.
When heard Brian has a Cowboy Bebop dvd set he instantly became my favorite person on youtube :D
Wait, That idea of Jason’s is actually super sick. Mechanical bridge knuckles?
That cardboard stick figure looks like Coach Z from homestar runner.
Request: Could you guys please explain the differences with Pool, Billiards, Snooker, Etc.? Thank you.
Billiards is a generic term for all games played with balls on a table. Snooker and pool are both "billiard games". That said, there is also a game referred to as "billiards" also known as "three cushion". Billiard games that use pockets (pool and snooker) are often regarded as "pocket billiards". Snooker is mostly played in Great Britain and its former colonies and pool is played mostly in the United States. The term "pool" was actually born out of a mistake. Poolrooms were once places where patrons would go to place bets on horses. These poolrooms would provide a pocket billiards table to pass the time between races. Eventually, patrons mistakenly referred to pocket billiards as pool (which simply means "bet").
Hustling pool while in college in the early 90s, I had no idea I was Modern Rogue.
You'd be surprised how many hustlers are out there, usually playing for drinks, then they end up playing for money, because the rube gets cocky(even if they're losing)
If you *aren't* playing league, or league rules. A lot of bars and halls will have *House Rules* with the do's and don'ts (big one is usually *no jump shots* , though some places allow a masse`) or failing that, set down the rules with your opponents.
Most call shot games I've played *does* include how the shot is made.
Also, *ball in hand* is a league rules thing. And a good way to get hurt if your opponent doesn't know you want to play that way. So unless otherwise agreed upon, a scratch goes behind the line. (that's another thing, make sure you designate *what* constitutes a scratch, there is a lot of opinions on this variation)
I like about a 20oz cue, but use heavier one as my breaking cue. And I like a smaller tip, (though not as small as the usual billiard cues) Legth I never really worried about, but MY cue is (i think) about a 4 1/2ft.
In my experience, if you play someone that is a good shot, your shot becomes better,
Same when playing darts.
(Contrary to what some may say. A few drinks are good to loosen up and will help your shot by helping you relax, as long as you aren't getting hammered)
Rare instance where the intro is funnier than the outtakes.
2:10 but everyone has long wooden sticks!
Pet peeve: Calling every foul a 'scratch'. A scratch is only when the cue ball (white ball) goes in a pocket. A scratch is a type of foul.
This is the cause of many arguments, like when a player is shooting for the 8-ball and doesn't hit it. That's a foul, but the opponent will say, "Dude, you scratched on the 8-ball. I win!" Bugs me so much...
Best video opening ever.
Love this! 😍 Wes is AMAZING!
That was the greatest intro ever!
Can we have a video on how you use to spike your hair and the technique used
My grandpa used to play at a large pool hall and one of the best people there only had 1 arm and always won with his 1 hand/arm