Am I ever building an LS motor, probably not, did I just watch a full hour detailed explanation on which parts I should use and why. Yes, yes I did. If I ever was building a motor I would want it done by these guys, there’s a passion for engineering that is apparent here.
Mike is literally my favorite guy doing this kind of work. So many people out there suck, he doesn’t. I might ship my engine to MotoIQ from the east coast, thats how much I like you guys 🤣
I’m with you,I’m In NY and I’m gonna call them this week.Called Shafiroff here in NY and didn’t feel comfortable with them,didn’t like the responses I got. These guys make me comfortable
Same. I’m in NC and want to build a mildly spicy 5.3 that will perform and stay together. I’ve built engines before but it’s the machining and clearances that makes all the difference!
I have a suggestion. Do a 100% stock LS build with all the factory parts cryotreated and wpc treated. Show us the performance and cost. Thanks guys. Love your content.
Man this is some great info. Great video. I think it also helps that this man looks like he just ripped a bong and is just cheesing with every word. A man who smiles when he talks truly loves what he does
Yall cover it all.. so much knowledge and experience from the passion for power and quality. This content is so thorough and i feel lucky to stumble upon yall. Diamond in the rough, love yall, keep killing it. Im sure everyone appreciates the sharing of this lifetime aquired experience in a calm and genuine manor, easy to listen to, very intruiging... i cant praise you guys enough. 🎉👊👍🤟
A remedy that I did with my LQ9 was I over filled my oil by almost 2 quarts when I used the AFM Melling oil pump. I did a ghetto sight glass in my block and used a GoPro to watch it when I ran. I judged where the oil sat with a drawn sharpie line on my oil pan with the elevation of my oil pickup tube.
You guys basically proved why doing an LS build WELL isn't cheap. I've done an extensive stock block LC9 build and spent a fair amount of coin getting it done right so that I can have reliability and longevity for my twin turbo LS swap in my 370z. I'll direct people to this video on why things cost what they do.
I finding this out first hand lol. I wanted to use most of the stock components of the dirty lq4 that I bought for $300CAD and oh boy did I ever get what I paid for the damn thing never seen a oil change so I’m basically replacing everything and boring the cylinders out because two of them were oval. I’m into it for about $4000USD at this point and I’m still not done buying shit for it.
@@basedlibertyprime Yeah man. I had something similar. I bought a "low milage" engine. The cylinders were out of round (slightly) and the cylinder walls were pitted from water. I was planning on taking it to the machine shop anyway... but I paid a premium for the whole engine, that made me salty.
But but but the internet said you can do ls swap for 500-1000 bucks come on man don't lie we know the truth! Lmao jk. I sure hope my sarcasm shows through.
The guy is truthful beyond fault. Great choice for the video. The guy on the right should make build videos and talk you through each engine build as he does it. I would watch them. Guy on the left should stick to signing checks and what ever else he's good at.
Yeah man, the price points on both builds is right on, we did a budget build on our LSA engine and crank out about 720whp with 418cid stroker @12# boost, I maybe should have done more work on the heads...porting, shaft rockers and a dry sump would be awesome too. I like reliability in a road racer but given the nature of the beast (convertible) I doubt I will do much more... As per some of our past conversations I feel you are giving a straight talk on building a LS that is realistic and factual.
@@motoiq Didn't have any head gasket issues on mine and 3 other friends, but all 3 cracked a sleeve. I think you said you like the stock head bolts tho. Either way the stock block is a fuse waiting to blow at upper HP levels.
Wow you cracked a sleeve at 12 psi? We generally don't see problems till more than 14 psi. Did you have good tuning? Did the broken engines show signs of detonation? I would think that the head gasket would go before you split a cylinder.
I always enjoy watching these videos, to learn from . From my limited experience the things you recommend is what I like to do to the build . Especially torque plate and a proper hone .I never once been disappointed from spending money on quality parts and labor . My experience shows me a better outcome . Thanks
I’m waiting for the aftermarket to catch up with the current OEMs. I’m waiting for direct injection ECMs. I know MoTec offers direct injection compatibility but that is in their m182
I'm curious about the power gained by reduced frictional losses in the valve train. Any power lost to friction shows up as heat, 745.7 watts worth of it for each hp lost. That 20-30 hp lost with a stock valvetrain turns into 15-20,000 watts worth of heat. That's a lot. It's hard to believe it doesn't result in localized overheating of the parts causing the friction...it's even pretty significant when compared to the whole cooling system capacity. I've read or heard similar numbers from a few places, I guess I believe it's about right, but it seems like an awful lot of heat for a few lifters and rocker arm pivots, even with the oil flow. Maybe the temp is climbing constantly at high rpm and everything only survives due to the short, intermittent time spent like this? Any insight on that?
I thought you meant that the gains were due to reduced frictional losses...the valve springs are there and have to deal with heat due to hysteresis no matter what type of rockers open them...heating of valve springs and heat due to rocker arm pivot friction are somewhat independent. If 20-30 hp is lost due to rocker friction, it has to be making that much heat at the point of friction, which just sounds awfully high. Hard to believe. That's 10 or 15 toaster ovens worth! Every watt goes somewhere, can't "disappear".
A lot of that heat is dissipated by the oil flow and the rockers have a lot. The sliding trunnions have a lot of point load. Sometimes you can see bluing of these parts which is pretty amazing due to the oil flow these get. I also think a lot of the power is due to improved valve motion due to more direct translation of motion from the cam. I have never logged oil temp in an A to B comparison, it would be interesting to do so.
I have a 2002 z28 camaro m6 that needs some love engine wise.. shes been driven hard for the better part of 12 years or so ish. Oil changes have been done when they were supposed to everytime. But I’ve had a lot of issues with my ltft. Being pegged at 25. And a slew of other smaller issues most of which I’ve have completed by myself over time fuel pump fuel filter water pumps radiator starters alternators. You get it. It’s my second car and got the car around 92k miles and now she’s got 216k miles I’ve ported the tb and swapped exhaust with a slp LM1 cat back. Still has original cats I’ve also swapped the header gaskets and bolts but I do have a snapped bolt in the passanger rear. but I’m assuming the engine needs rebuilding.. just bevause miles and this and that… or at least a freshen up I’m assuming. Any chance you guys would want to take on this challenge I’ve been to every shop in the Bay Area and everyone seems to have some kinda issues or not do this or that and it’s just so hard to find a hood shop and you guys seem to actual like to do this and pay attention to detail. Where are you guys located anyway?
@MotoIQ yeah I kinda figured in turn that would be making me run very lean and waste a ton of gas..what else would get messed up if not fixed promptly though. I'm still learning the effects of ltft and stft.. it's also been giving me a very annoying ticking noise... not on start up when cold but only when it reaches full temp. Like I mean like clockwork. Cold start sounds fine and runs ok until it hits temp them ticking like crazy which goes up and down as you accelerate. But goes away if I increase acceleration above 3k it'll go away but will come back if I'm at a light and idle for too long. Which I'm hoping isn't anything more serious than an exhaust leak at the exhaust manifold. The rockers and everything inside the valve covers all seem tight and didn't move when inspected
Can you explain how putting the head on the block could distort it. My thought is if the blocks mating surface is flat and the head is flat. You're just putting two flat surfaces together. How does that create distortions in the cylinders. If something wasn't true between the two surfaces I could see the torque moving things around.
I mean if im only looking to get about 500 or 600 hp on nitrous at the drag strip in my sn95 Are these special blocks and miss matched berrings necessary? Or is there a standard clearance type of berrimg amd stuff for that hp
i have a question that may bring some expansion fact's we all know the tq blocks important but well you punch or machine bore/hone do you guys heat your blocks and oil being we all talk about running temps and oil pressure oil flow vallys ect ive yet to see one block sitting at 180f well being blue printed and specs met to our best means possible. im just saying the heated running temp engine is expanded a little any oil/ fluid gallys would mean on warm up and running temp theres going to be slightly more expan making a ob longed bore am i wrong or no? i'm not saying the engine ould last last longer if its bored well hot but i feel your the pro and why not try.
From the ground up from pan to injectors. 12,000$ for an easy 1400hp. Obviously there is sweat equity in there. I’ll port the heads and assemble the thing.
While that is easily possible, in my opinion, its not going to be a long lasting 1400 hp, street engine, yes, drag for a short while, extended use, no.
How come one side (i wanna say passenger) is always way scummier than the other? Is that something to do with the non-priority mains? One head is just lowest priority. Thanks for the great info!
Well i've only had the heads off maybe 5 Ls engines while i was at GM. I noticed one head would have significantly more deposits. Heck a 20 with 26k that turned a lifter and wiped a cam lobe had a side with like-new pushrods/rockers/springs and the other with heavy varnish. 5k changes at the dealership i was at. must be priority or pcv
Hey mate can u send me ure details got a ls2 stock I'm after a strokes kit that can be 800hp n then in future putting on s supercharger so I need it too b able to handle that as as well
@@motoiq so it’s really equal and about what I want, it has nothing to do with cost cause you could go crazy with both builds if you had the funds theoretically speaking and it’s still gonna be costly just to build either either way the right way
@motoiq I would love to see yall get into building a mean stroker n/a LT1 setup! Would love to hear some of the knowledge Mike would have to offer about the LT platform!
We agree with you. We find that the aluminum block in particular can have trouble keeping head gaskets at about 800 whp and over 14 psi. This is under racing conditions. The blocks themselves start to show distress in the main caps at around 1000 hp.
Does he always smile when he talks, or is it because of being in front of the camera? Lol.. No, im not picking at him... well, maybe a little, but it's all in fun.
Difference between us and engine builders who have problems. Also, check the costs of parts and the costs of good machine work by a top-in-the-country machine shop that can hold tight tolerances and you can see, this is what it costs.
As a material science student, I was really happy when he started talking about grain refinement and near-net shaped forging. Top tier content as always, guys!
Would love to see this sort of break down video for an S85 v10. I know they're not that common of an engine to swap or something that's used in competition, but they are quite unreliable. Would be great to see your take on how to make that engine work reliably and the general challenges that engine poses for builders. Once again, thanks for all the great work, Mike!
Giving up the building secrets and cost to run an LSX. Almost proprietary knowledge on building a solid durable LS motor. Until the late 90's only a handful of tuners would divulge this knowledge without financial compensation. I watch the entire video and I want to build a 418 by these guys!
Mike is way too humble for his own good. If I recall correctly, the man has been in high level racing as an engineer since like, the 80s, and has put his hands on some of the craziest race cars any of us could ever dream of. Respect the yam.
Consider the following: Very few engine builders have this attention to detail. And MotoIQ is sharing a LOT of the tech secrets with the masses to help the community. Love and gratitude from an LS man for 22yrs. 👏 🍺 ❤️
don't know about that my engine guy pays more attention to detail so much so he gets annoying at times, but he has set more national records than anyone else in my country he won't work on street engines he does drag racing pro stock or group 2, speedway sprint cars, I have watched him on his flow bench for hours with his piece of string watching how the head flow change he doesn't do CNC heads he does the porting to suit the build. I have learnt a lot from him and teached me the ethics of winning the more work you do the more you win
I must say that Mike is so skilful engineer, and he is so nice to listen to. He don’t scream and talk too fast so even I can keep up with everything he says. he is always smiling and calm and so talent and experienced mechanic. Keep up the good work. 💪🏻
Pretty much what I’ve taken from this video, is that to race anything competitively, or have full as engine builds done relatively frequently, you better make 300-400k per year or be close to a millionaire. Why do I have such an expensive passion.
I bet that dude must have been fucking apoplectic! I certainly would have been if I thought I was storing a car somewhere only to find out it was moved every day. if you are going to store something put it somewhere and fucking leave it there
I’m sure that these guys are absolutely top notch engine builders and they make serious power and serious reliability, but I don’t think anyone who’s truly on a budget has $15-20k to drop on just a basic engine build, if they have they kind of budget they are probably just going to go full send.
I don't coment on videos ever, until today. I love your videos they're very informative and technical. The additional information gives a great understanding.
I’m here for Mike, I dig his attention to detail along with strait experience, guys like this don’t exist to tell his level in the craft of engine building.
Am I ever building an LS motor, probably not, did I just watch a full hour detailed explanation on which parts I should use and why. Yes, yes I did. If I ever was building a motor I would want it done by these guys, there’s a passion for engineering that is apparent here.
Mike is literally my favorite guy doing this kind of work. So many people out there suck, he doesn’t. I might ship my engine to MotoIQ from the east coast, thats how much I like you guys 🤣
Glad you like it, so many shops just throw an engine together without checking anything, we fix those for people.
I’m with you,I’m In NY and I’m gonna call them this week.Called Shafiroff here in NY and didn’t feel comfortable with them,didn’t like the responses I got.
These guys make me comfortable
Same. I’m in NC and want to build a mildly spicy 5.3 that will perform and stay together. I’ve built engines before but it’s the machining and clearances that makes all the difference!
I have a suggestion. Do a 100% stock LS build with all the factory parts cryotreated and wpc treated. Show us the performance and cost. Thanks guys. Love your content.
The trouble is no one wants to build an engine like that.
I love how thorough Mike is, I could listen to him for hours!
Gay
I love it when a person knows so much about someone and are passionate about it, that they can ramble on and on. This guy can't stop smiling. 😂
I've done this a lot, put long rods into shirt skirts. I like it...
Sometimes... the rods are too long, and that creates some problems
It's good to get your engine nice and hot before you shut it off and lubrication is really cool
Man this is some great info. Great video. I think it also helps that this man looks like he just ripped a bong and is just cheesing with every word. A man who smiles when he talks truly loves what he does
"We build our stuff to hold up" Keep doing great work!
Yes! Thank you!
AWESOME CAMERA MAN! I love how he zooms on you show you all the details he's talking about : )
Cheers to all the people behind the scenes that make these videos 🥂
I can tell you an apprenticeship working with these guys would be invaluable.
The budget build costs around $14,000, while the high-performance build can reach up to $28,000.
Sounds very reasonable.
I guess maybe if you're formula racing lol but hell if you're drag racing you can build plenty enough engine for like 5 lol
Yall cover it all.. so much knowledge and experience from the passion for power and quality. This content is so thorough and i feel lucky to stumble upon yall. Diamond in the rough, love yall, keep killing it. Im sure everyone appreciates the sharing of this lifetime aquired experience in a calm and genuine manor, easy to listen to, very intruiging... i cant praise you guys enough. 🎉👊👍🤟
Thank you for the breakdown on the ultra series pistons makes me feel better seeing someone explain the features
You are welcome.
Thank you for sharing this comprehensive cost overview and putting it all in perspective.
I'm loving just listen to that California accent bro. 😂 And it's nice to finally hear actual price numbers on one of these videos!!
Glad you enjoyed!
Love your vids! Thank you for the transparency and detail involved in this kind of build.
Glad you like them!
My favorite tuner channel on RUclips!!
Thank You!
You read my mind. I was curious on prices when compated to a K motor for a potential engine swap for a Cayman with a blown motor.
Make sure to post the swap on all the Porsche forums for maximum outrage. :)
@@hotshtsr20 😂 Oh, I still have the flat 6 and love it, but it doesn't hurt to plan on contingencies when a new stock replacement flat 6 costs $25k+ 😵
An LS goes in there pretty good! They make swap kits too!
@@DC5Brandon well, if you’re bored, you could always post questions about it and watch the rage. :)
@@hotshtsr20 LOL. My Cayman's already modified. Surely I'm cancelled somewhere.
A remedy that I did with my LQ9 was I over filled my oil by almost 2 quarts when I used the AFM Melling oil pump. I did a ghetto sight glass in my block and used a GoPro to watch it when I ran. I judged where the oil sat with a drawn sharpie line on my oil pan with the elevation of my oil pickup tube.
That can work!
You guys basically proved why doing an LS build WELL isn't cheap. I've done an extensive stock block LC9 build and spent a fair amount of coin getting it done right so that I can have reliability and longevity for my twin turbo LS swap in my 370z. I'll direct people to this video on why things cost what they do.
Good idea!
I finding this out first hand lol. I wanted to use most of the stock components of the dirty lq4 that I bought for $300CAD and oh boy did I ever get what I paid for the damn thing never seen a oil change so I’m basically replacing everything and boring the cylinders out because two of them were oval. I’m into it for about $4000USD at this point and I’m still not done buying shit for it.
Good thing you can bore those over a lot! LQ's have a ton of potential.
@@basedlibertyprime Yeah man. I had something similar. I bought a "low milage" engine. The cylinders were out of round (slightly) and the cylinder walls were pitted from water. I was planning on taking it to the machine shop anyway... but I paid a premium for the whole engine, that made me salty.
But but but the internet said you can do ls swap for 500-1000 bucks come on man don't lie we know the truth! Lmao jk. I sure hope my sarcasm shows through.
MotoIQ, thank you so much! This is really good stuff, great information for us.
Our pleasure!
Man this guy speaks my language 👍
The guy is truthful beyond fault. Great choice for the video. The guy on the right should make build videos and talk you through each engine build as he does it. I would watch them. Guy on the left should stick to signing checks and what ever else he's good at.
Martin is pretty smart about motors too, give him some credit!
change your oil even if your car sits it is cheap insurance let an engine warm up all the way so moisture evaporates. LS is awesome
Yeah man, the price points on both builds is right on, we did a budget build on our LSA engine and crank out about 720whp with 418cid stroker @12# boost, I maybe should have done more work on the heads...porting, shaft rockers and a dry sump would be awesome too. I like reliability in a road racer but given the nature of the beast (convertible) I doubt I will do much more... As per some of our past conversations I feel you are giving a straight talk on building a LS that is realistic and factual.
Thank you!
You dont want to put too much in the stock block, once you get up to 800 plus whp it is on a ticking clock to cracking a sleeve.
Head gasket seal is more of an issue at 800 plus, at about 1000 the main caps start to move.
@@motoiq Didn't have any head gasket issues on mine and 3 other friends, but all 3 cracked a sleeve. I think you said you like the stock head bolts tho. Either way the stock block is a fuse waiting to blow at upper HP levels.
Wow you cracked a sleeve at 12 psi? We generally don't see problems till more than 14 psi. Did you have good tuning? Did the broken engines show signs of detonation? I would think that the head gasket would go before you split a cylinder.
I love the depth of explanation!
Thank You!
I always enjoy watching these videos, to learn from . From my limited experience the things you recommend is what I like to do to the build . Especially torque plate and a proper hone .I never once been disappointed from spending money on quality parts and labor . My experience shows me a better outcome . Thanks
Great to hear!
Absolutely fantastic gents
I'm building and lh6 all aluminum 5.3 liter LS came with the Gen 4 rods and 3 bolt camshaft is coming together pretty good
Awesome talk. Explained alot.
Good breakdown, alot of dudes think they can build the dopest LS for a grand.
They go boom or they don't get driven.
But it's just soooo cheap the internet said so!!!! Lol
Have you ever done a ls l33 build/video before?
Love all your information your one of the best!!
Not yet! But we will probably do a 5.3 soon, you can do a lot to these engines with great results.
I'm definitely in school right now
Have you guys at motoiq ever used extrusion honing on any engine parts like a intake or exhaust or heads?
Exactly what I’m wondering too
Yes we have. It works pretty good on OEM intake manifolds and turbo turbine housings.
@@motoiq awesome. I have been thinking about getting my exhaust manifold and turbine housing done for a while now. I guess I just need to do it.
top tier video
Thank you!
This was a Fascinating discourse 🇯🇲🍾💯
Is the guy on the left the one who's supposed to get the shop to profitability?
Yes
I’m waiting for the aftermarket to catch up with the current OEMs. I’m waiting for direct injection ECMs. I know MoTec offers direct injection compatibility but that is in their m182
A few stand alones can control DI with an injector driver box.
i can listen to bro on the right whole time even tho he be sidetracked sometimes
I'm curious about the power gained by reduced frictional losses in the valve train.
Any power lost to friction shows up as heat, 745.7 watts worth of it for each hp lost. That 20-30 hp lost with a stock valvetrain turns into 15-20,000 watts worth of heat. That's a lot.
It's hard to believe it doesn't result in localized overheating of the parts causing the friction...it's even pretty significant when compared to the whole cooling system capacity.
I've read or heard similar numbers from a few places, I guess I believe it's about right, but it seems like an awful lot of heat for a few lifters and rocker arm pivots, even with the oil flow. Maybe the temp is climbing constantly at high rpm and everything only survives due to the short, intermittent time spent like this?
Any insight on that?
The valve springs get really hot, red hot sometimes, its why for some racing like oval track and road racing, you need oil sprayers.
I thought you meant that the gains were due to reduced frictional losses...the valve springs are there and have to deal with heat due to hysteresis no matter what type of rockers open them...heating of valve springs and heat due to rocker arm pivot friction are somewhat independent. If 20-30 hp is lost due to rocker friction, it has to be making that much heat at the point of friction, which just sounds awfully high. Hard to believe. That's 10 or 15 toaster ovens worth!
Every watt goes somewhere, can't "disappear".
A lot of that heat is dissipated by the oil flow and the rockers have a lot. The sliding trunnions have a lot of point load. Sometimes you can see bluing of these parts which is pretty amazing due to the oil flow these get. I also think a lot of the power is due to improved valve motion due to more direct translation of motion from the cam. I have never logged oil temp in an A to B comparison, it would be interesting to do so.
I have a 2002 z28 camaro m6 that needs some love engine wise.. shes been driven hard for the better part of 12 years or so ish. Oil changes have been done when they were supposed to everytime. But I’ve had a lot of issues with my ltft. Being pegged at 25. And a slew of other smaller issues most of which I’ve have completed by myself over time fuel pump fuel filter water pumps radiator starters alternators. You get it. It’s my second car and got the car around 92k miles and now she’s got 216k miles I’ve ported the tb and swapped exhaust with a slp LM1 cat back. Still has original cats I’ve also swapped the header gaskets and bolts but I do have a snapped bolt in the passanger rear. but I’m assuming the engine needs rebuilding.. just bevause miles and this and that… or at least a freshen up I’m assuming. Any chance you guys would want to take on this challenge I’ve been to every shop in the Bay Area and everyone seems to have some kinda issues or not do this or that and it’s just so hard to find a hood shop and you guys seem to actual like to do this and pay attention to detail. Where are you guys located anyway?
If you have an exhaust leak from that snapped bolt, that would wreck havoc with your LTFT.
@MotoIQ yeah I kinda figured in turn that would be making me run very lean and waste a ton of gas..what else would get messed up if not fixed promptly though. I'm still learning the effects of ltft and stft.. it's also been giving me a very annoying ticking noise... not on start up when cold but only when it reaches full temp. Like I mean like clockwork. Cold start sounds fine and runs ok until it hits temp them ticking like crazy which goes up and down as you accelerate. But goes away if I increase acceleration above 3k it'll go away but will come back if I'm at a light and idle for too long. Which I'm hoping isn't anything more serious than an exhaust leak at the exhaust manifold. The rockers and everything inside the valve covers all seem tight and didn't move when inspected
Can you explain how putting the head on the block could distort it. My thought is if the blocks mating surface is flat and the head is flat. You're just putting two flat surfaces together. How does that create distortions in the cylinders. If something wasn't true between the two surfaces I could see the torque moving things around.
The force generated by the torque on the bolts in the block, it tweaks the bores, as much as 0.0015". Subaru's even more!
It's an old school thought. When clearances where no where near what they are now. Now it's mostly a sales gimmick.
How do you feel about titanium rods and Epcot treat them , what would that cost be
Don't normally use them. people don't want to pay for them.
I mean if im only looking to get about 500 or 600 hp on nitrous at the drag strip in my sn95 Are these special blocks and miss matched berrings necessary? Or is there a standard clearance type of berrimg amd stuff for that hp
That is not an LS. A 100 shot is pretty safe, more than that needs engine and tuning integration and some knowledge of engines to be safe.
Get this man a easy chair and 🥃 “…yeah COVID’s a biiiitch”
you charged for the boring twice, once at the beginning, and once at around 40:00
All pro rocks
Excellent again
Thanks again!
Ugh, the problem with building an engine is you will eventually need to build the rest of the driveline which is extremely off-putting.
“Build an LS, it’ll be cheap!”😂😂😂
i have a question that may bring some expansion fact's we all know the tq blocks important but well you punch or machine bore/hone do you guys heat your blocks and oil being we all talk about running temps and oil pressure oil flow vallys ect ive yet to see one block sitting at 180f well being blue printed and specs met to our best means possible. im just saying the heated running temp engine is expanded a little any oil/ fluid gallys would mean on warm up and running temp theres going to be slightly more expan making a ob longed bore am i wrong or no? i'm not saying the engine ould last last longer if its bored well hot but i feel your the pro and why not try.
That would be the best way but no one in our area does that.
From the ground up from pan to injectors. 12,000$ for an easy 1400hp. Obviously there is sweat equity in there. I’ll port the heads and assemble the thing.
While that is easily possible, in my opinion, its not going to be a long lasting 1400 hp, street engine, yes, drag for a short while, extended use, no.
Someone told me F1 engines have to be externally heated to start without destroying the engines at start up. Is that true? Thanks for sharing.
it is correct for many racing engines.
Speed costs money. How fast do you want to spend?
Love these video's.
Is there a possiblity you guys make a video on M50B28 or M52B28 Engine ?
You should read our 323is Project articles
Where did you guys learn all this 🤔? I wanna learn but dont know if theres a school or just from books ?
Degree in Mechanical Engineering and doing it for a long time. Learning from older top pros.
@@motoiq damn ok thanks for the reply much respect 🙏
SAM in houston is a great school to go to for this knowledge
What is the total price for that Build that you just did the The over stock build?
It is in the video!
Geez makes me miss building gassers, fraction of the price of a real motor ie oil burners
How come one side (i wanna say passenger) is always way scummier than the other? Is that something to do with the non-priority mains? One head is just lowest priority. Thanks for the great info!
What do you mean by scummier?
One side has a PCV valve.
That's possible if the oil doesnt get changed much.
Well i've only had the heads off maybe 5 Ls engines while i was at GM. I noticed one head would have significantly more deposits. Heck a 20 with 26k that turned a lifter and wiped a cam lobe had a side with like-new pushrods/rockers/springs and the other with heavy varnish. 5k changes at the dealership i was at. must be priority or pcv
I would say that's likely, Race motors get the oil changed so much you don't see that.
How much did for a Jeep 4.0 rebuild and stroke? Basic Budget of course
About 4k in labor and machine work and the rest is whatever level of parts you want to use.
What about machine work for new LSX block to a 454?
The cost to machine is the same no matter what the displacement is.
Hey mate can u send me ure details got a ls2 stock I'm after a strokes kit that can be 800hp n then in future putting on s supercharger so I need it too b able to handle that as as well
Look at our LS videos.
So what's the end price
You watched a whole video on how much an LS build costs and then you ask how much does it cost?
What valve covers on the first couple of seconds of video.
Holley
Make a video about the LSX block
We did
@@motoiq send me the link too watch it please 🙏
ruclips.net/video/TBGX2xL4WHU/видео.html turbo version
Was that engine that was ruined running on E85? Sure sounds like it.
It was a Subaru.
So nobody seen the resemblance to wwe’s Jonathan coachman 😂but great information for sure
Is a Ls more budget platform then K series?
It depends for what
@@motoiq having fun on the weekends but not just for racing a reliable driver
Nether is budjet.
@@motoiq so it’s really equal and about what I want, it has nothing to do with cost cause you could go crazy with both builds if you had the funds theoretically speaking and it’s still gonna be costly just to build either either way the right way
Maybe the K motor is slightly less.
Do you guys do any of the new gen V LT stuff?
We haven't yet beyond full bolt ons but there is no reason why we couldn't build a mean one.
@motoiq I would love to see yall get into building a mean stroker n/a LT1 setup! Would love to hear some of the knowledge Mike would have to offer about the LT platform!
Oh man, we love that engine too. With just bolt-ons, we exceeded what a stock LS7 can do. With heads and cams, we think another 60 whp easy!
What's the highest RPM? Can I be 8 Chevy motor put out?
As high as you want to spend.
what about something in the reasonable 500hp range built for reliability? enough ass to be fun but not insane race car and still reliable
check the low buck part of our video
Where is your shop located?
Gardena California
Those Eagle rods are H beam
will be nice if you guys provide the address of your shop in your videos, i would love to get one of those engines in the future.
That one dude sounds like he eats 5grams of shoorms and visits the piston Gods 4 times a year.
You know he knows a lot when he starts talking and the other guy tells him: "yes but in common people language what does this mean?"😅
Run 4340 3.622 crank, 4340 rods, 2618 pistons, ARP hardware. BTR turbo cam, springs, pushrods, trunions, ls7 lifters. That's your budget 1000hp build on a stock block.
We agree with you. We find that the aluminum block in particular can have trouble keeping head gaskets at about 800 whp and over 14 psi. This is under racing conditions. The blocks themselves start to show distress in the main caps at around 1000 hp.
Find it funny when Cali people complain about 91 lol try getting 87 or 89 here in Canada
High motor iq right here !!
Thank you!
@@motoiqWelcome. Amazing attention to detail. Where are you located. Thanks.
Gardena California
Does he always smile when he talks, or is it because of being in front of the camera? Lol.. No, im not picking at him... well, maybe a little, but it's all in fun.
Sloppy mechanics goes ugga dugga on the reused heabolts
$14k. The heck out of here.
Welp thats what it costs
They were doing more than moving it in and out. I don’t believe this one bit
What are you talking about?
This guy loves talking about this stuff. I'd get high with him and take him to the garage.
Your dignity....
Jk lol🎉
This is a “Budget” build? OMG…
Difference between us and engine builders who have problems. Also, check the costs of parts and the costs of good machine work by a top-in-the-country machine shop that can hold tight tolerances and you can see, this is what it costs.
Budget build huh..🥲🥲🥲🥲
As a material science student, I was really happy when he started talking about grain refinement and near-net shaped forging. Top tier content as always, guys!
Thank you!
Would love to see this sort of break down video for an S85 v10. I know they're not that common of an engine to swap or something that's used in competition, but they are quite unreliable. Would be great to see your take on how to make that engine work reliably and the general challenges that engine poses for builders. Once again, thanks for all the great work, Mike!
We have an S65 that we are eventually going to get to.
Navi Fan???
Giving up the building secrets and cost to run an LSX. Almost proprietary knowledge on building a solid durable LS motor. Until the late 90's only a handful of tuners would divulge this knowledge without financial compensation. I watch the entire video and I want to build a 418 by these guys!
The most knowledgeable videos I've ever seen come from you folks at MotoIQ. I am super impressed with how thorough you are. Hats off to you 👏
Thank you!
Nothing new with these guys. True Professionals
Mike is way too humble for his own good. If I recall correctly, the man has been in high level racing as an engineer since like, the 80s, and has put his hands on some of the craziest race cars any of us could ever dream of.
Respect the yam.
Consider the following:
Very few engine builders have this attention to detail. And MotoIQ is sharing a LOT of the tech secrets with the masses to help the community.
Love and gratitude from an LS man for 22yrs. 👏 🍺 ❤️
Thanks for sharing
Tom Nelson from nelson's racing engines is also on the same boat, full of knowledge on engine builds
don't know about that my engine guy pays more attention to detail so much so he gets annoying at times, but he has set more national records than anyone else in my country he won't work on street engines he does drag racing pro stock or group 2, speedway sprint cars, I have watched him on his flow bench for hours with his piece of string watching how the head flow change he doesn't do CNC heads he does the porting to suit the build. I have learnt a lot from him and teached me the ethics of winning the more work you do the more you win
Love you guys and appreciate all the knowledge you share ❤
Thank you!
I must say that Mike is so skilful engineer, and he is so nice to listen to. He don’t scream and talk too fast so even I can keep up with everything he says. he is always smiling and calm and so talent and experienced mechanic. Keep up the good work. 💪🏻
Pretty much what I’ve taken from this video, is that to race anything competitively, or have full as engine builds done relatively frequently, you better make 300-400k per year or be close to a millionaire. Why do I have such an expensive passion.
Nah man you drag race the 7 class even the 6s very competivly with 5k engine in a good chassis it'll have to be a mustang or something smaller
I bet that dude must have been fucking apoplectic! I certainly would have been if I thought I was storing a car somewhere only to find out it was moved every day. if you are going to store something put it somewhere and fucking leave it there
I’m sure that these guys are absolutely top notch engine builders and they make serious power and serious reliability, but I don’t think anyone who’s truly on a budget has $15-20k to drop on just a basic engine build, if they have they kind of budget they are probably just going to go full send.
This just reminds me of why i miss Sport Compact Car... between mike and Dave, learned a TON!
Talking 💩 to the RUclips commenters 🤣🤣
I don't coment on videos ever, until today. I love your videos they're very informative and technical. The additional information gives a great understanding.
I’m here for Mike, I dig his attention to detail along with strait experience, guys like this don’t exist to tell his level in the craft of engine building.