Love watching Pat and Mike they got to have the best jobs in the world, I wish PowerNation would do a yearly contest and let a winner come in to the shop and Rebuild your motor
Very impressive Tech! You spoke plain and simple and added bolt on numbers! Saving this video as I've watched and learned scores of LS projects. You've found the the heavy duty sweet spot for an LS Build!
Putting a carb on an LS may be the "easiest" route, but certainly not the cheapest... Wouldn't the cheapest be all stock with the factory GM ECU flashed with HP Tuners or something?
Exactly. Over $700 for the intake and ignition stuff then they drop a $900 carb on it. For around a $100 flash to a stock computer you can drop in all the stock stuff.
@@joew7897 And retain your EFI, which is FAR easier to add boost or other power adders. So if you spend $500+ on an intake and ignition system, then another $400-600 on a nice carb for it, you're in Holley terminator territory. Which makes it even easier to have EFI that has built in capabilities for nitrous or boost, or whatever you wanted to add to it...
Probably the only way its cheaper is if you scored on a cheap long block, already have a carburetor sitting around, and don't have the intake and fuel injection setup.
If ya can’t tell products what where supplied by different manufacturers steer how the episodes go lol. How they gonna sell these parts if you got someone like Matt that comes in and does a dirty half ass build on a junk motor and makes a reliable ~800hp for less than they have bolt on parts
baggedmazda666 Oh for sure, wouldn’t we all love some sponsored parts?😂 I also subscribe to the sloppy mechanics train of thought. Quick and dirty, but functional. Just be sure to add ring gap😬
Just recently swapped out the 6.0L LS out of my 67 Firebird and dropped in an 1LR-GUE V-10 by Toyota Racing D. It’s got the same titanium exhaust off the Lexus LFA and screams just the same in my Firebird.
I've been out of GM for a while but I did used to work on a lot of diesels. I have to say that GM green for the diesels is very nice. I think that's what the engine's painted with
It would be really interesting to see y'all talk about what you do on the dyno controls. I'd like to see an extreme budget 5.7 mopar stroker build. Perhaps with a 6.1 cam?
I have 4L70E with heavy duty pinion and Teflon pads and with 5.3 with big cam , heavy springs , roller lifters putting over 400 HP . 4.56 gears . Silverado dual cab it runs great . I can pull 5000 lb trailer with ease . it s prefecto !
So Kenny built Low & Slow 40 years ago🤣. Seriously though. It used to surprise me just how many people don't know how long some of this "Tech" has been around. But instead of picking the brains of people like Kenny D., Gale Banks, Kenny Bell and those that are still with us, it's like everyone wants to start from scratch instead of building on what those men have learned over a lifetime.
36 years ago my Dad owned a auto salvage yard. My first build was a Chevy Monza Spider with a over heated factory motor. I swapped in a 302 chevy that was built. See my dad would not allow me to stick a 350 in because he thought cubic inches would mean to much horse power. Haha. Swapped out the engine and went to the track 110mph in the 8th. Scarry as hell.
If you want to run a LQ4 truck block for a drag racing application get one that's been rebuilt at the very least. the pulls are fine for street driving and will give you years of service but not when you add high flowing heads and intake the old bearings seem to eat themselves quickly . If you buy a rebuilt one you will have a solid start that will make tons of power for cheap. it pays in the long run instead of having to keep replacing the pulls blocks every time one eats it's own bearings.
I like how consistent they are in saying this is the cheapest way to get it running us to buy this but I am pretty sure it comes with everything to make it run without having to buy your sponsors crap
You can get lots of power out of those junkyard LS but if you gonna run a power adder like a Turbo that thing you gotta do is gap the rings because if you don't gap the rings and get high on the PSI she will squeeze the top of the piston and that will be it but once you gap the rings your safe to add the boost
i used to watch this show when it was joe and the big guy on it,cant remember his name,i could google it but dont care,and trucks had stacy david on it haha,it was good stuff back in those days.
Alright guys I really trust you so amaze me because your first run the numbers were about the same as a Vortec motor with a cam swap not being mean I love you guys
With an LQ4 like this, on 93 with an intake (TBSS or LS6 for the stock intakes), long tubes, BTR cam and valve springs (otherwise completely stock heads) you should be able to put down 405-420hp no problem.
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I’ve never seen anyone out in the real world use feeler gauges to setup the oil pump. And I’ve seen hundreds of these engines built at various shops I’ve worked at.
Back in the day, a builder took a Ford 300 six, welded a head from a 351, it was a monster engine. This is only the basics that I can remember. Build one fells...Please...✔✔✔✔
Also, I used that same timing setup with a Melling HV295 Oil Pump (with the spacers) and had issues with the pickup tube needed to be extended. Then the pickup tube boss, as well as the oil pump bolts all hit the timing cover. Finally the "slosh tray / oil baffle plate" in the bottom of the oil pan then hit the pickup tube once it was modified to move forward the 1/8"... You guys didn't discuss any of this...
the instructions for the timing set mention the bolts hitting the cover. This is just another reason NOT to run a double roller. It's an absolute waste of money on a LS. Guys are making 1500hp reliably on single chains.
Pat, Mike, I'm getting ready for my Second Engine build. . . Of course my first had a few issues with my valve train when I did the Cam Swap. And I know you guys did a Mopar 360. . . But it seems like I keep ending up with it's Baby Brother the 318. Well Long Story Short, I'm look at a Budget of $2400 and By Boring it .040 over and Give it a 3.58" Stroke like a Stock 360. . . And a Mid Rise Dual Plane, I hoping to make a 318 into a 352 Stroker. What kind of numbers do you I can Make? I'll be using a $75 Flat tappet Hydraulic Cam, a $238 intake, and I'll leave the Carb choice up to you guys. But beside the forge Pistons, Stroker Crank, Cam, and Intake, Literally everything else is Stock. I want to see what I'll be playing with fellas. . . And I know you'll guys get a kick out of the "Little Mega Block".
stock manifold and fuel injection comes with the motor at the yard. add the cpu for 30 bux. thats cheaper than the "cheap" parts u threw at it, and probably works better.
I agree, I want to see junkyard pull, no pulling a part to clean the block or ring gapping with just a 228r on 110° with bee hive springs and chromoly pushrods with just a trunion upgrade, long tube headers and a fast 102 intake with a Nick Williams 102 tb , I do believe that would shut up the neighsayers as to a true junkyard bolt on engine then be honest like the rest of the LS tuners and give it the beans, you will be shocked as hell to see the results.
That's fine if you want a single Chain. I'm an old-school SBC man, and would never run a single chain, in any one of my performances builds. Seen too many fail (or JUMP TOOTH ONCE A LITTLE WORN) with extra spring pressures. Singles are not my favorite..
If I was doing all that I would have went back with some 4.8l stock replacement pistons you can get a set with new rings for like $130 on eBay and pick up some compression
I want to see if you have a budget build and don't have the means to do fabrication. Like if you have to dent the header to get it to fit around a steering rack or other things of that nature, does it effect the flow and hp.
It would be nice to see a comparison of the same budget between the Ls and any other small block I’m gonna say as the price of the engine goes up the all mighty Ls won’t shine as bright and I’m a Ls guy!
I've Dyno'd more than 300 LS engines. 24° ignition advance is not enough timing for a Truck LS on 93 octane, and didn't give the baseline test a fighting chance to prove what HP it's capable of producing. The MSD box comes with several ignition curves Pre-installed, and having more ignition timing than 24 degrees. What curve(s) were used for all the tests? If it was 24° across the board, you left a lot of horsepower on the table for all the tests. CNC Racing Heads.
Would all of those parts on table work on a 2005 Chevrolet Silverado crew cab short bed 1500 LS with the 5.3 v8 vortec LM7 because i want to get my 5.3v8 to about 500 Horsepower
More builds like this please! Incremental power gains are fun to watch, and shows how each part affects output. 👍
Agreed
100%
I know I love it too if I had a engine dyno I would sit there all day trying different things just to see the gains or losses
Poll l
B
Love watching Pat and Mike they got to have the best jobs in the world, I wish PowerNation would do a yearly contest and let a winner come in to the shop and Rebuild your motor
That's a great idea.
LS: The GOAT.
Very impressive Tech! You spoke plain and simple and added bolt on numbers! Saving this video as I've watched and learned scores of LS projects. You've found the the heavy duty sweet spot for an LS Build!
THANK YOU, SUMMIT RACING!!!!
Putting a carb on an LS may be the "easiest" route, but certainly not the cheapest... Wouldn't the cheapest be all stock with the factory GM ECU flashed with HP Tuners or something?
Exactly. Over $700 for the intake and ignition stuff then they drop a $900 carb on it. For around a $100 flash to a stock computer you can drop in all the stock stuff.
@@joew7897 And retain your EFI, which is FAR easier to add boost or other power adders. So if you spend $500+ on an intake and ignition system, then another $400-600 on a nice carb for it, you're in Holley terminator territory. Which makes it even easier to have EFI that has built in capabilities for nitrous or boost, or whatever you wanted to add to it...
Probably the only way its cheaper is if you scored on a cheap long block, already have a carburetor sitting around, and don't have the intake and fuel injection setup.
If ya can’t tell products what where supplied by different manufacturers steer how the episodes go lol. How they gonna sell these parts if you got someone like Matt that comes in and does a dirty half ass build on a junk motor and makes a reliable ~800hp for less than they have bolt on parts
baggedmazda666 Oh for sure, wouldn’t we all love some sponsored parts?😂 I also subscribe to the sloppy mechanics train of thought. Quick and dirty, but functional. Just be sure to add ring gap😬
Just recently swapped out the 6.0L LS out of my 67 Firebird and dropped in an 1LR-GUE V-10 by Toyota Racing D. It’s got the same titanium exhaust off the Lexus LFA and screams just the same in my Firebird.
M. B. Myers I’ve always loved the sound of the LFA, since mine was wrecked I decided to get some more use out of it.
As you should
Very entertaining vid, I knew that 550 hp wall was coming. The ls engines are so fun to watch make easy power
Great episode lads. KW is the engine master. Thanks from Victor Harbor Australia 🇦🇺
Is it true you eat penguins?
Man I used to watch this on powerblock. I remember when Mike first joined
I've been out of GM for a while but I did used to work on a lot of diesels. I have to say that GM green for the diesels is very nice. I think that's what the engine's painted with
Love watching these guys. Can’t wait to build my engine
G'day guys ,,
Great episode ,, just keep on bringing it .
More power to ya ...!!!
Much Respect
from
Down Under
The exhaust manifolds are cast steel and can be easy welded to make turbo manifolds.
I agree more of these videos. And more in depth view of how a engine is put together. From every bolt to every gasket
That was very impressive seeing the LQ4 get that toque up and in a 6.0 ltr.
This was my most favorite episode yet. Well done.
It would be really interesting to see y'all talk about what you do on the dyno controls. I'd like to see an extreme budget 5.7 mopar stroker build. Perhaps with a 6.1 cam?
This is the best episode i have seem! Real working man episode. I have plans for my 2017 Chevy truck.. and my 1970 Impala
Love that 5.3 workhorse . I’m very impressed
It's a 6.0 lq4
I have 4L70E with heavy duty pinion and Teflon pads and with 5.3 with big cam , heavy springs , roller lifters putting over 400 HP . 4.56 gears . Silverado dual cab it runs great . I can pull 5000 lb trailer with ease . it s prefecto !
So Kenny built Low & Slow 40 years ago🤣.
Seriously though. It used to surprise me just how many people don't know how long some of this "Tech" has been around. But instead of picking the brains of people like Kenny D., Gale Banks, Kenny Bell and those that are still with us, it's like everyone wants to start from scratch instead of building on what those men have learned over a lifetime.
This is why old carb and thi blocks are dinosaurs,stock for stock and mod for mod LS kicks its ass
THANK YOU TO ALL THE BARNDS INVOLVED IN THESE BUILDS. EVERYTHING CAME OUT GREAT AND RUNS EVEN BETTER!!!!
Great video, guys. 🙂 It's really useful to see which upgrades give benefits without other changes - one at a time. Keep up the excellent work!
Paul 😎
Exactly what I wanted to see guys!! Keep up the engine builds my favorite thing to watch period
Love it ,I could watch the projects all day !
36 years ago my Dad owned a auto salvage yard. My first build was a Chevy Monza Spider with a over heated factory motor. I swapped in a 302 chevy that was built. See my dad would not allow me to stick a 350 in because he thought cubic inches would mean to much horse power. Haha. Swapped out the engine and went to the track 110mph in the 8th. Scarry as hell.
Now I want to see a 6.4 hemi💪🏾💪🏾
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!! AN ENGINE FOR EVERY BUDGET!!!! I LOVE EVRYTHING!!!! MANY TOTALLY AWSOME BUIKDS!!!! GREAT VIDEO AND THANKS FOR SHARING.
I think Pat is jaded, being around top fuel, and pro stock race engines. Pat and Mike have the best job though, love this series of shows.
That guy needs more stuff in his shirt pocket.
😂
Pat needs to be given a pocket protector and the black boot. Old woman posing as a man. He must shine the tools up real nice.
@@v.e.7236 😂dang
😂
😂😂😂😂
If you want to run a LQ4 truck block for a drag racing application get one that's been rebuilt at the very least. the pulls are fine for street driving and will give you years of service but not when you add high flowing heads and intake the old bearings seem to eat themselves quickly . If you buy a rebuilt one you will have a solid start that will make tons of power for cheap. it pays in the long run instead of having to keep replacing the pulls blocks every time one eats it's own bearings.
my 6.7 L LS on the wheel Dyno it made 361 ft pds of torque and 274 hp
in my 2001 Chevy suburban. 4x4 2500
408 ci LQ4 LS
I like how consistent they are in saying this is the cheapest way to get it running us to buy this but I am pretty sure it comes with everything to make it run without having to buy your sponsors crap
Love that low budget junkyard Vortec!
GREAT LS BUILDS FOR ANY DAILY DRIVER.
I remember many years ago when Mike had join the HorsePower tv show..
You can get lots of power out of those junkyard LS but if you gonna run a power adder like a Turbo that thing you gotta do is gap the rings because if you don't gap the rings and get high on the PSI she will squeeze the top of the piston and that will be it but once you gap the rings your safe to add the boost
ls combinations? you should check out Richard Holdener's youtube channel.
He makes great videos. A lot of good information over there.
Can you guys please do an episode on the LS4? That engine never gets any love!
So happy I got a 5.3 in my 04 tahoe!!
Sweet bro
A really interesting video would be unboxing parts for the engine before you build it
My engine power boys gettin OLD. With age comes more wisdom though. Great job guys
i used to watch this show when it was joe and the big guy on it,cant remember his name,i could google it but dont care,and trucks had stacy david on it haha,it was good stuff back in those days.
Hell, I'd watch an episode of these guys pumpin' gas.
Man I love this show with good breakfast I'm going to be watching it a couple of times at work
Love your show on RUclips from Newfoundland Canada
Great stuff guys, especially the "Working mans Bullet"! Thanks.
Had one in my 98 trans am ram air ws6 convertible. Amazing motor!!!
Great to see you guys smiling again!
CHEESE AND RICE! That torque figure was massive, definitely playing with the devil.
Alright guys I really trust you so amaze me because your first run the numbers were about the same as a Vortec motor with a cam swap not being mean I love you guys
I find it funny when Pat "arms" the nitrous and braces himself like he's blowing up TNT lol
I would have liked to have seen a run with the cam and the stock heads.
Agreed. Cam makes more sense to do first considering the cost
With an LQ4 like this, on 93 with an intake (TBSS or LS6 for the stock intakes), long tubes, BTR cam and valve springs (otherwise completely stock heads) you should be able to put down 405-420hp no problem.
That’s wheel horsepower by the way. That’s numbers I’ve personally seen.
Anything you'd like to see LS related check out Richard Holdener. He's tested nearly everything.
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Need some more LSX builds!
I’ve never seen anyone out in the real world use feeler gauges to setup the oil pump. And I’ve seen hundreds of these engines built at various shops I’ve worked at.
This was a great episode. You show the average joe how to make big power on the cheap NOW. Do a Mopar show the same way HEMI
That's the right economical approach.
Back in the day, a builder took a Ford 300 six, welded a head from a 351, it was a monster engine.
This is only the basics that I can remember. Build one fells...Please...✔✔✔✔
Yes,I remember that engine. He ran it in some kinda race car.
Can you guys do an Ecotec3 4.3L & a 3.7L Clclone V6. I'm convinced that these two engines will be incredible under boost.
LU3 dude which is Vortec SBC V6, LV3 is LT1 V6, lets see the atlas 2900, 3500,3700,4200.
Have you ever built a v12 would like to see that build
@@bigboreracing356 *_Actually there is a aussie that cast LS v12 motors..._*
@@Thelongmanable Do you have a link or what channel it is ? Sounds interesting.
ruclips.net/video/PsQjS6WIaEY/видео.html not my channel
@@immelting9834 Though love to have a true ls v6
Funny story there was going to be. A v10 ls but then 2008 hit
the six liter block with a forged 4.3 crank a huge turbo and send it!
Bet the cam bearings didn't look like the rod bearing!! Sweet set up!!
Also, I used that same timing setup with a Melling HV295 Oil Pump (with the spacers) and had issues with the pickup tube needed to be extended. Then the pickup tube boss, as well as the oil pump bolts all hit the timing cover. Finally the "slosh tray / oil baffle plate" in the bottom of the oil pan then hit the pickup tube once it was modified to move forward the 1/8"... You guys didn't discuss any of this...
the instructions for the timing set mention the bolts hitting the cover.
This is just another reason NOT to run a double roller. It's an absolute waste of money on a LS. Guys are making 1500hp reliably on single chains.
Carbs on a LS...........its 2020
Its sacrilege!....
Couldn't agree more just go with the new!
Hell nah
Now this is More like it and please give a price from oil pans to carburetor
You guys do a great devilish job !
Nice to see Amish Mike use a pistol grip when he's got the 'working mans bullet' on the dyno. It just shows his exceptional attention to fine details
I WOULD LOVE TO BUILD AN LS IN THE FUTURE!!!!
Love the show but what is it with you guys and carbs on ls's
They scared of computers
This is the engine my truck has!!😍
Pat, Mike, I'm getting ready for my Second Engine build. . .
Of course my first had a few issues with my valve train when I did the Cam Swap. And I know you guys did a Mopar 360. . . But it seems like I keep ending up with it's Baby Brother the 318.
Well Long Story Short, I'm look at a Budget of $2400 and By Boring it .040 over and Give it a 3.58" Stroke like a Stock 360. . . And a Mid Rise Dual Plane, I hoping to make a 318 into a 352 Stroker.
What kind of numbers do you I can Make?
I'll be using a $75 Flat tappet Hydraulic Cam, a $238 intake, and I'll leave the Carb choice up to you guys.
But beside the forge Pistons, Stroker Crank, Cam, and Intake, Literally everything else is Stock.
I want to see what I'll be playing with fellas. . . And I know you'll guys get a kick out of the "Little Mega Block".
Those are some nice looking heads
Am I bad to say I would like to see the engine go BOOM at least once?
stock manifold and fuel injection comes with the motor at the yard. add the cpu for 30 bux. thats cheaper than the "cheap" parts u threw at it, and probably works better.
When are you going to use texas speed?
Yuck
When they start paying to advertise lol
I agree, I want to see junkyard pull, no pulling a part to clean the block or ring gapping with just a 228r on 110° with bee hive springs and chromoly pushrods with just a trunion upgrade, long tube headers and a fast 102 intake with a Nick Williams 102 tb , I do believe that would shut up the neighsayers as to a true junkyard bolt on engine then be honest like the rest of the LS tuners and give it the beans, you will be shocked as hell to see the results.
Outstanding levels of power, but I'm more on the budget side of things
This is exactly what I wanted to see. 👍😎
Kenny Duttweiler is, along with Buddy Ingersoll are my heroes.
*_LS LS LS LS MOST BELOVED MOTOR IN THE WORLD!!!!_*
Ls is the best 👌
I wish you guys would test these using the stock intake and injector systems. That intake and carb would change the HP/Torque numbers...
That's fine if you want a single Chain. I'm an old-school SBC man, and would never run a single chain, in any one of my performances builds. Seen too many fail (or JUMP TOOTH ONCE A LITTLE WORN) with extra spring pressures. Singles are not my favorite..
If I was doing all that I would have went back with some 4.8l stock replacement pistons you can get a set with new rings for like $130 on eBay and pick up some compression
I wish you guys would do a '94 Lt1 5.7l build. I need tips on cam and rockers
Go to TPIS.com
I want to see if you have a budget build and don't have the means to do fabrication. Like if you have to dent the header to get it to fit around a steering rack or other things of that nature, does it effect the flow and hp.
Love to see a 231 3.8 Odd firing gn build
id also like to see you guys convert to using compreesed air instead of gas or propand or diesel.
It would be nice to see a comparison of the same budget between the Ls and any other small block I’m gonna say as the price of the engine goes up the all mighty Ls won’t shine as bright and I’m a Ls guy!
Good episode.. Great information
Need more video like this!
Chevy did something right with these LS engines.
how did you change the cam with the heads still installed?
Should have mentioned that you should add ring gap if you're going to add any kind of power adder.
I've Dyno'd more than 300 LS engines. 24° ignition advance is not enough timing for a Truck LS on 93 octane, and didn't give the baseline test a fighting chance to prove what HP it's capable of producing.
The MSD box comes with several ignition curves Pre-installed, and having more ignition timing than 24 degrees. What curve(s) were used for all the tests? If it was 24° across the board, you left a lot of horsepower on the table for all the tests.
CNC Racing Heads.
JON KOBERT IS A MASTER MACHINEST CUSTOM ENGINE BUILDER IN COLORADO FOR OVER 25 THE BUISNESS NAME IS "MILD TO WILD"
Quit switching over to carbs.
My drinking game. Every time they say “pound feet”, I drink a beer. I never make it to the end of an episode!!!!
Would all of those parts on table work on a 2005 Chevrolet Silverado crew cab short bed 1500 LS with the 5.3 v8 vortec LM7 because i want to get my 5.3v8 to about 500 Horsepower
Going carb added some power too that stock lq4