@@mattg3971 i actually think they showed him the door. I found some short articles on Linked in that he wrote about his absence. Joe Elmore is Powerblock.
You know, I've wondered what the PB corporate attitude toward the 2nd Amendment was occasionally. Seeing that intro to the circle track story, you guys just confirmed my suspicions...and gained yet another fan for life!
When modifying your engine to produce more power and torque, how do you determine if it well still met emission standards for the state it's registered in ?
Great to se another SB Ford build. Got to the end and reminded me of asphalt racing and how the rule makers are once again screwing the SB Fords. Every time Ford comes up with a winning combination the rules change. Wonder why you don't see many Fords on a asphalt track. Sanctioning bodies favor GM is the reason.Sad to see rule makers control who wins races. 2020 Asphalt Late Model Rules. The GM 604 crate motors are allowed a 6500 RPM RPM Chip. The Ford 347 is allowed a 6300 RPM Chip. The GM is allowed to increase rocker arm ratio from stock 1.5 to a 1.6 increasing life close to .030. The Ford must remove there stock ratio from 1.6 to a 1.5 decreasing lift about .030. The GM can install a 1 inch carb spacer the Ford cant use a spacer. NOW YOU KNOW.
@@xmo552 Read the rule books all over the country for any class using GM and Ford Crate motors. Facts don't lie. I have seeing this crap go on for over 25 years.
It's always been that way. I've heard several times throughout years past in Nascar road racing any kind of racing, where the announcers with no shame at all come right out and say it. We have to slow them Fords down.
Why are you letting hot oil from the lifter valley splash up unto the bottom of the intake manifold. Couldn't you have fabricated some kind of shield to protect it.
Have you guys heard of WPC treatment? Its a super fancy shot peening process that makes metal slicker than snot without messing with clearances. I would love to see it used in a high revving wannabe nascar screamer build
I don't know if you guys have done this before Oh, but you should do hey up comparison from a stock bottom end chevy 350 and a 351w. Just so we can get an idea what top-end horsepower we can get from both Ford and Chevy performance.
I always thought the Cleveland was considered the better engine. But they seem to focus on Windsor builds. Is it because the Windsor has better aftermarket parts or was i wrong about the Cleveland?
Cleveland 351 is a different engine family with the same displacement. It has larger valves and better cooling but isn't fundamentally a better engine, just a different one. Higher RPM and more HP from the factory.
Back in the day the Cleveland’s were killer because they had some of the best flowing factory heads out there, flowing too much in many cases for the small displacement, but as time went on the Windsor aftermarket began to grow and it’s much easier and cheaper these days to make big power with a Windsor than a Cleveland. And factory Windsor engines and parts are so abundant because Ford made them so long. Cleveland’s are hard to find now
Yup Aftermarket. Pretty much what Nitro Union said. Better heads but less availability. Always heard the Windsor had a slightly stronger block too but not sure. The Cleveland Cylinder heads are really some fantastic heads. RUclips Channel Drag Boss has a 69' Mercury Cougar that runs 9s with a 408 Cleveland NA. Highly recommend checking it out to learn about Clevelands & fast Cats. I think the Cleveland is a bit better stock but the Windsor is widely available & inexpensive comparatively.
I think in an older episode they used that same face on an engine or a car, "feed me money" which is what you have to do. It was a long time ago so I'm not 100% sure. Why on that deer this time I don't know.
@@bigboreracing356 If you’re talking about cost, I’ve personally have had better luck with the Ford platform. But I’ve been building Fords my whole life. Especially the Cleveland’s. I don’t care what you’re building, it’s all expensive.
Awesome video as always,,, it amazes me how you guys don't wear gloves when using oils, decreasers etc . They are highly carsonagenic and can cause big health issues when they soak into the skin....
I've was an industrial mechanic for 41 years! Built several engines! Washed my hands with gas first, then soap and water! Pull those panties outta of ur crack!😂😂😂😂
Even with the ARP head studs, those FailPro head gaskets are shit...ESPECIALLY when you're talking about making 900 horsepower. I have had so many problems with Felpro MLS head gaskets and I'll never use them again. I'm not talking shit on Felpro because they do make some really good gaskets and other products, but I've never had any good experiences with their head gaskets.
Why does a $5000 crate motor outrun a $20,000 built motor??? Because after they buy the $5000 crate motor, they put another $30,000 in it to make it look legal!! Dadgum boy, everybody knows that!!!🤣
I need you guys to do this for my 91 Camaro RS. I left it with family while I went to work on the other side of the country. It has been sitting for 8 years. 😢
The video over all is one of my fav episodes swish I would have been able to get the full 77 coins for the video but like most things in this wonderful life if you are proactive the. You’ll be amiss
FYI these guys never tell the whole story. that custom crank $2k-$3.7k retail. rockers $1.8k retail. add everything up. 10-15 IN PARTS!. all bolt on? yeah right. when crower and pace send you everything, sure bolt it on. when the $ comes out of your pocket you never just bolt it on. If something fails the manufacturer will say "send it in and we will evaluate it". who's out the time and parts for redo even if their part is bad? YOU. I can never tell if they're being safe, are you guys gonna consistently run an electric water pump or be unsafe? and why don't you run EGT's and an air turbine/fuel flow meter? how did you determine pushrod length? POV clearance? CR? crank stroke? actual valve lift? dur. @ .050 ? so many clearance checks left out. cam thrust? valve adjustment on a big roller shouldnt be done at TDC. no lets spend 8 minutes on u-joints and some guys race program.
It makes no difference marking a driveshaft yoke or not, it's all pluses no matter how you assemble it. I mean you literally can't get it wrong even if you try! Just sayin.
Here is what kills me about shows like this. It is out of the field of the average Joe. How many people can actually afford to rebuild a motor like this, not many. I have a Windsor I want to rebuild to bad but could never afford to do half if a quarter of what you do. Why not do a show with affordable, reliable parts that the average Joe can afford and show how that works.
Chris Daigle : Because thats how the timing advance and retard for the cam is set up. Some pumps on NASCAR EFi systems are still engine operated, there are piston pumps around that use the eccentric.
Come on guys you have to change out those U-joints on an old stump with a socket and hammer, preferably when it is either 100 degrees in the shade or raining cats and dogs. None of that nice and neat in the shop stuff, that takes the fun out of the job not to mention it removes several words from your vocabulary that you will create while doing it the right way.
I love it. Joe sporting his Ford shirt. BRING HIM BACK FOR A VISIT!!! Or better yet build him a car and give it to him.
what happen to Joe Elmore?
Sarandon J I think he’s still around. I found some fairly recent Facebook activity and I couldn’t find an obituary.
@@sj7624 he retired but I think he still does some producing
Joe is beast.
@@mattg3971 i actually think they showed him the door. I found some short articles on Linked in that he wrote about his absence. Joe Elmore is Powerblock.
Yes this is perfect Saturday morning breakfast and a new episode !!!! Please keep this up
Amish Mike and a compound bow - now that's a killer combo!
If only I could afford any of these parts
Rob a bank like I did
One more tip. Install u-joint with grease fitting closest to driveshaft, not yoke.
Well now I want to do a turbo SBF combination in my ‘70 Mustang. This is awesome!
That would be one unassuming mustang. Total sleeper lol
That sounds cool
Just in time for breakfast! 😎🍳🥞🧇🥓🧂☕🍺🍽
Awesome show guys. Well done indeed.
I read the title fast and thought they were building a 900hp Ford Windstar and I was oddly very intrigued.
Good to see a Ford vid,but love the all out n/a builds
Finally Ford!
Joe Elmore for the win!!!
So... doesn't knocking on the balancer hub with a hammer risk damaging the thrust bearing?
yes
Yessir, better off just using a couple wrenches
630👍's up power Nation thanks again for taking us all along with you for the great show
Such a nostalgic episode! Bet it makes 900-1000hp on 12#’s
It’s been a long time that I seen this . Takes me back to when I was a kid. 👍lobe this videos.make me go outside and work on my own truck and car.
I got that feeling too!!!!
i dig this no bs show
Might be buying an F-250 with a 351W in a few days. Would be fun to do an NA build on it.
My first vehicle was a '96 F-250 with a 351w and 4.10's. All stock but it certainly had guts!
I had an E350 that I put a NA 408W in. It was an awesome van.
@@bradnimbus4836 I hope it was better than the 351w I had in an 82 bronco, even in that lighter bronco with a c6 it was a complete dog.
No problems with block splitting either.
@@Terminxman my 92 f150 351w was a dog too, my 95 f150 5.0 ripped.
You know, I've wondered what the PB corporate attitude toward the 2nd Amendment was occasionally. Seeing that intro to the circle track story, you guys just confirmed my suspicions...and gained yet another fan for life!
Remember way back when 400 horsepower was a great number and 500 HPwas insane lol these days no one gets excited unless your pulling 900 + lmfao
I'm in my late 20s and remember 300 hp being a great number.
@@theicksta Still is, for most street cars that's a good fun number.
Hey even minivans now a days have 300hp motors in them, I know cause I got one
@@KacerRex 300hp is OK at first then you get bored of it and want more power lol
😂😂😂 so true lol
Dude wearing the mechanics outfit must have been the directors brother in law or something
When modifying your engine to produce more power and torque, how do you determine if it well still met emission standards for the state it's registered in ?
Lmao you buy a car that’s older than a 1999 at least in my state. All I have to meet is safety inspection.
When describing the lift on the roller cam, Joe said, "with a lift of 158 on the intake and 133 on the exhaust" ..does anyone know what that means?
i think he meant 0.558" and 0.533"
No moly lube on the cam lobes or pushrod tips?
OTC oil pump from Checker for a 900hp motor?
At 4:09 Did he say the lift was .158 intake and .133 on exhaust?
Yes
Makes no sense does it
I wondered the same
Use closed captions
Great to se another SB Ford build. Got to the end and reminded me of asphalt racing and how the rule makers are once again screwing the SB Fords. Every time Ford comes up with a winning combination the rules change. Wonder why you don't see many Fords on a asphalt track. Sanctioning bodies favor GM is the reason.Sad to see rule makers control who wins races.
2020 Asphalt Late Model Rules.
The GM 604 crate motors are allowed a 6500 RPM RPM Chip.
The Ford 347 is allowed a 6300 RPM Chip.
The GM is allowed to increase rocker arm ratio from stock 1.5 to a 1.6 increasing life close to .030.
The Ford must remove there stock ratio from 1.6 to a 1.5 decreasing lift about .030.
The GM can install a 1 inch carb spacer the Ford cant use a spacer.
NOW YOU KNOW.
Facts?
@@xmo552 Read the rule books all over the country for any class using GM and Ford Crate motors. Facts don't lie. I have seeing this crap go on for over 25 years.
@@tomhamilton9140
I'm not a racer so idk 🤷♂️
I believe you however.
It's always been that way. I've heard several times throughout years past in Nascar road racing any kind of racing, where the announcers with no shame at all come right out and say it. We have to slow them Fords down.
Hi there here from south africa. Just want to ask did you guys do any V6 engines need some information.
Is this a stock 351 stroke or a 427 or 460?
If i drive there can you put my sbc on the dyno to get it dialed in....
Da shine
Any time put a seal in like cam or what ever you always pack the seal with grease that away when you hit the seal the spring won't jump out
If andy johnson kepps winning races. he might get tapped to drive a in the Camping World Truck series.
Why are you letting hot oil from the lifter valley splash up unto the bottom of the intake manifold. Couldn't you have fabricated some kind of shield to protect it.
Did they ever finish this build?
I wish they give price tag on this
Isn't an o-ring supposed to go in an o-ring groove with copper head gaskets?
17:38 When you're in the South and you need TWO pairs of super dorky sunglasses to get the ladies.
Gas station glasses
Did I miss the displacement of this Windsor?
Very nice videos 😢
I forgot about Lou building chasis...damn
Have you guys heard of WPC treatment? Its a super fancy shot peening process that makes metal slicker than snot without messing with clearances. I would love to see it used in a high revving wannabe nascar screamer build
Any idea of a cost estimate on the engine build?
My guess all in well over $10k. Turbos aren't cheap. And building the engine to hold it isn't either.
I don't know if you guys have done this before Oh, but you should do hey up comparison from a stock bottom end chevy 350 and a 351w. Just so we can get an idea what top-end horsepower we can get from both Ford and Chevy performance.
I always thought the Cleveland was considered the better engine. But they seem to focus on Windsor builds. Is it because the Windsor has better aftermarket parts or was i wrong about the Cleveland?
Cleveland 351 is a different engine family with the same displacement. It has larger valves and better cooling but isn't fundamentally a better engine, just a different one. Higher RPM and more HP from the factory.
Back in the day the Cleveland’s were killer because they had some of the best flowing factory heads out there, flowing too much in many cases for the small displacement, but as time went on the Windsor aftermarket began to grow and it’s much easier and cheaper these days to make big power with a Windsor than a Cleveland. And factory Windsor engines and parts are so abundant because Ford made them so long. Cleveland’s are hard to find now
Just top a Cleveland heads on your Windsor, best of both worlds.
Yup Aftermarket. Pretty much what Nitro Union said. Better heads but less availability. Always heard the Windsor had a slightly stronger block too but not sure. The Cleveland Cylinder heads are really some fantastic heads. RUclips Channel Drag Boss has a 69' Mercury Cougar that runs 9s with a 408 Cleveland NA. Highly recommend checking it out to learn about Clevelands & fast Cats. I think the Cleveland is a bit better stock but the Windsor is widely available & inexpensive comparatively.
@@brandonrobertson6327 The Clevors are stout combos for sure.
How much would it be to make a humvee motor brand new.
Which engine?
If it’s a 6.2 diesel I’d do a motor swap
If you have a 6.2/6.5, just go for a Cummins or duramax lmao
C7 cat would be cool or even the old 7.2 cat
Does anyone still use 'Tunnel-rams', or is it just turbo &/or superchargers now??
They are but most of the ones I have seen are guys going for a look. Now forced induction is the way to build a lot of power.
What year did this come out?
2008
What’s the lift in that cam again? Lol
Are you going to list the parts cost ?????
What's up with that 4th gen F-body back there?!
If you well pack all seals with grease you want nock the spring out the back
13:48
What was the "feed me money" part about?
I think in an older episode they used that same face on an engine or a car, "feed me money" which is what you have to do. It was a long time ago so I'm not 100% sure. Why on that deer this time I don't know.
Summit Asia has 1/2 priced parts
Hi why the spacer?
Power.
Yeah what's Joe and Buddy doing these days?
Dont get it twisted the STOCK 302 block will split in half at 600-700hp range this is not something u want to do wo a DART or aftermarket block
you never said how much stroke?
Uhm, why is the Blower in your Intro running Backwards?
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Anybody else want to drop this nto a Crown Vic with a manual and go hunting Germany's best?
What happened to it?
They always leave that extra ugly piece of timing cover gasket exposed. I always trim that off when I’m building a SBF. Great build and video.
@@bigboreracing356 If you’re talking about cost, I’ve personally have had better luck with the Ford platform. But I’ve been building Fords my whole life. Especially the Cleveland’s. I don’t care what you’re building, it’s all expensive.
4.025 bore? is that a ford thing.... usually .020 or .030 or.040 etc
yay #1
Lou built that car for better traction. Check it out.
Literally any other high performance build they put a carb on it like its 1980, but they can figure out fuel injection for this. Go figure.
Whats wrong with carburetors?
@@Good-Nuff-Garage Nothing. I these guys whip a carb on every LS or late model build, and thats not indicative of the real world.
Awesome video as always,,, it amazes me how you guys don't wear gloves when using oils, decreasers etc
. They are highly carsonagenic and can cause big health issues when they soak into the skin....
I've was an industrial mechanic for 41 years! Built several engines! Washed my hands with gas first, then soap and water! Pull those panties outta of ur crack!😂😂😂😂
So you build this 900hp motor, and you get an oil pump from O'reilly??
Wow, there is a difference with Pat today. STOP hitting that torque wrench so many times!
I noticed that.
Even with the ARP head studs, those FailPro head gaskets are shit...ESPECIALLY when you're talking about making 900 horsepower. I have had so many problems with Felpro MLS head gaskets and I'll never use them again. I'm not talking shit on Felpro because they do make some really good gaskets and other products, but I've never had any good experiences with their head gaskets.
Why does a $5000 crate motor outrun a $20,000 built motor??? Because after they buy the $5000 crate motor, they put another $30,000 in it to make it look legal!! Dadgum boy, everybody knows that!!!🤣
That's not a 410 small block Mopar
I know dummy
@@bilbobaggins4710 You obviously aren't a regular watcher of this channel.....
I need you guys to do this for my 91 Camaro RS. I left it with family while I went to work on the other side of the country. It has been sitting for 8 years. 😢
The video over all is one of my fav episodes swish I would have been able to get the full 77 coins for the video but like most things in this wonderful life if you are proactive the. You’ll be amiss
FYI these guys never tell the whole story. that custom crank $2k-$3.7k retail. rockers $1.8k retail. add everything up. 10-15 IN PARTS!. all bolt on? yeah right. when crower and pace send you everything, sure bolt it on. when the $ comes out of your pocket you never just bolt it on. If something fails the manufacturer will say "send it in and we will evaluate it". who's out the time and parts for redo even if their part is bad? YOU. I can never tell if they're being safe, are you guys gonna consistently run an electric water pump or be unsafe? and why don't you run EGT's and an air turbine/fuel flow meter? how did you determine pushrod length? POV clearance? CR? crank stroke? actual valve lift? dur. @ .050 ? so many clearance checks left out. cam thrust? valve adjustment on a big roller shouldnt be done at TDC. no lets spend 8 minutes on u-joints and some guys race program.
It makes no difference marking a driveshaft yoke or not, it's all pluses no matter how you assemble it. I mean you literally can't get it wrong even if you try! Just sayin.
I can’t believe you people cut up that fox! Go buy a freaking kit for building a drag car. Stop cutting up original fox’s!
Here is what kills me about shows like this. It is out of the field of the average Joe. How many people can actually afford to rebuild a motor like this, not many. I have a Windsor I want to rebuild to bad but could never afford to do half if a quarter of what you do. Why not do a show with affordable, reliable parts that the average Joe can afford and show how that works.
Why make a point of talking about the fuel pump eccentric when you're using fuel injectors?
Chris Daigle : Because thats how the timing advance and retard for the cam is set up. Some pumps on NASCAR EFi systems are still engine operated, there are piston pumps around that use the eccentric.
55 GPH I Can Piss faster than that .
😁✌🖖👌👍 😎
Come on guys you have to change out those U-joints on an old stump with a socket and hammer, preferably when it is either 100 degrees in the shade or raining cats and dogs. None of that nice and neat in the shop stuff, that takes the fun out of the job not to mention it removes several words from your vocabulary that you will create while doing it the right way.
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