Only if shame (or a conscious) exists in the other person. People today have little respect or shame for they say or do and in modern culture, people are praised for acting out but other as shame for showing dignity and respect. Crown or no crown, too many quick to dribble foolishness out of their mouths (or from their thumbs, present company excluded) and think it is funny. We have a generation of attention whores and entitled brats who offer nothing.
I feel a bit bad for Charles here, as I don't think he had any idea how disrespectful his previous behavior was. He was a bit goofy and nerdy, but I don't think he at all intended to disrespect his tutor or the Welsh. I can see why the tutor was angry though, and he was right to set Prince Charles straight. I know this is a drama obviously, but I can see a conversation like this happening.
Indeed, the tutor's problem really wasn't with Charles. He had a general resentment of the English and the royal family that he saw as English and he took it out on Charles, which really wasn't fair. He's a real person - Edward Millward. When he taught Charles, he had just completed two years as Vice President of Plaid Cymru (the Party of Wales - the Welsh nationalist political party). He had very strong political views on the relationship between Wales and England and I'm sure that shaped his approach to teaching Charles.
@@chingizzhylkybayev8575 But Charles doesn't demonstrate any prejudice or xenophobia. Nobody knows everything about every culture. Not knowing something about another culture doesn't make you prejudiced or xenophobic. There is just an expectation that, since he's the Prince of Wales, he ought to have some knowledge of Wales. That's why he was sent there to learn about the country. It isn't reasonable to expect him to already know everything when he has only just arrived to learn it.
@thomasdalton1508 "nobody knows everything about every culture" that's not every culture, though? That's a culture that he is visiting at the moment *specifically* with a purpose to learn about it, not to mention that it is a culture that his culture has bordered and shared an island with for centuries?
The tutor should be the boss in this setting, but Charles changed the subject from something serious and challenging to something he was comfortable at, dominating in a way that was disrespectful, though not intended as such.
He's out of line...but still taking the time to learn their language and stay in their "country" they should be so happy to have him there the queen would have never...
@@lindsey7951 the queen would have never what? Learned the language? She learned a few words. Stay in their country? She didn’t have a reason to. Charles was Prince of Wales. Elizabeth was never Princess of Wales. Nevertheless, she had a great deal of respect and admiration for the Welsh and their culture. she was the first reigning monarch to attend the national Eisteddfod (I hope I spelled that right). That was why she wanted Charles to learn it.
When I first saw this show, I was curious on how they were going to make Charles appear likable on screen, given how divisive he is viewed, then I saw this scene of him show the vocal theater exercises, I immediately shouted "He's a nerd". Brilliant!
To be fair, I was born and raised in Wales, speaking the language for most of my early schooling. More than half the people I knew gave up the language at the first opportunity. It is not an easy language even when it surrounds you. I lived in an area where 50% routinely spoke Welsh at home or down the pub (Gwynedd), but that was our own Gogish shorthand, not the national reconstruction of the ancient language taught at school. Both would have sounded as foreign to Llywelyn ab Iorwerth as west coast rap or Tolkein's Númenórean would to Shakespeare.
He wasn't speaking as his tutor. He was speaking as a loyal subject to the crown. Weather be our born into it or elected. Those in power need to be held accountable. I think this was the first time the prince has been held accountable by somebody outside of his family.
@@lindsey7951 the queen did learn a few words in it - but she was never the Prince[ss] of Wales - when it was suggested to her father that she become princess of Wales on her 18th birthday he rejected the idea. She was very respectful of the Welsh and their culture, and that is why she wanted to make sure that he learned it
@@valerierodger I believe it was also Her Late Majesty who, when on a historic state visit to Ireland in 2011, opened her speech in Irish; _a Uachtaráin, a Thaoisigh agus a chairde ("Mr. President_ [of Ireland], _Mr. Prime Minister_ [Irish Head of Government], _friends")._ It may seem insignificant, and merely an act of basic courtesy, but the implications were huge. Not only was it the first visit by a ruling British monarch in a hundred years, but also the Crown's first visit to an independent Ireland. Imagine if the Queen's late father had done the same in 1949, when the Irish Republic came to be? The Troubles in Northern Ireland could very well have flared up 20 years earlier. If the Crown is basically acknowledging Ireland's sovereignty, and in the Irish language, what excuse is there to keep the United Kingdom? So, yes, I can certainly understand why Elizabeth was so PO'd at Charles' speech in Wales. The slightest indication that the Crown, regardless of its representative, endorses a nationalist cause would cause unprecedented political turmoil.
While I agree that Charles should put more effort into learning about Wales, I feel like, yet again, he's being unfairly compared to the PREVIOUS holder of the title.
God forbid the student show any enthusiasm or joy. If he responds well to tongue twisters then teach him via tongue twisters. If he doesn't know something, then teach him.
The problem is that the Tutor is already very annoyed with him over the Llewelyn comment and how he didn't know. It's not something a Welsh subject should have to teach the Prince of Wales. (Llewelyn was the last prince of the independent Wales, Llewelyn the Last, the person Charles ancestors beat in battle to take the crown of Wales). And he's right that's a bit humiliating in terms of your monarch saying they don't know that. Charles doesn't even remember where his family got this crown, nor respect the history of their claim, not the people who came before. So the Tutor comes into the discussion he's already on edge, and admittedly perceives Charles behaving this way far too uncharitably, where in a better mood he might have been receptive to it. This may have been even well received if he said "Who is Llewlyn? Where is the Library? The only king I know is Henry VII." since that's both relevant to the Welsh throne and the English one and would be taken as a Welsh Unionist jab. But to leave it at that shows a disrespect to the title he's taking, the history of the country, and their identity.
I realilze this series isn't a documentary but I do like the way it presents all the expectations & restrictions on the aristocracy that come with all that influence & privilege.
Big ouch! Even if on screen the current King of The UK and former Prince of Wales deserved to hear it! The Tutor has guts even if he was speaking the truth
Welsh has the same accent as the English . Welsh is a very difficult language to learn. My mom, and her family moved from Wales 🏴 in the 1950's to Ontario, Canada 🇨🇦, on a ship with the Salvation Army. I hope you have a great weekend Danielle 🙂⚘️.
As if a tutor would dare speak to Royalty like that, especially the future King. Prince Charles would turf him out by his ear and kick his backside. Knowing the character, and how aggressive and moody he can be, they wouldn’t dream of talking to him in this way!
In all honesty, it was very clear that Charles only wanted to be friendly. He was probably trying to ease the tension in the room in his own goofy way. In this circumstance, the professor was too blinded by his ideology and hatred for the monarchy to notice it.
Charles' family has no right to the title they hold over people they don't know in that region. He is disrespecting a culture that he is dominating by assuming the title. Good for the tutor.
@@norrinzelkarr8572 of course they have a right to the title. That’s what comes with conquest. It’s a reality whether you like it or not. I’m not particularly impressed with the Anglo-Norman takeover of Scotland either, or what the English have done. Queen Elizabeth II had a great deal of respect for the Welsh people and their culture, and she loved them, and that is why she wanted to make sure Charles learned about their culture and their language. I don’t think he had any lack of respect. That said, if we’re stuck with one of them, I really would’ve preferred it to be Princess Anne
For all the PR and the friendly media coverage, this man was never quite up to it. He will go down in history as an inadequate monarch. He clangs discordantly about the environment, but his effect on law and broader attitudes has been negligible. I imagine his will not be a very long reign and I imagine he will not be missed by the nation.
I feel the Crown makes Charles at time look like a good person. Like I’m even seeing comments that he love Diana but as friends. The King has shown an unending streak of immature decisions, and behaviors that befit a person of entitlement. Even now as King you see ever so slightly specially in his public appearance before the health situations a person that was angry and rude. Even now. The whole Harry thing continues to be a show of shoddy leadership. He is Supposed to be king of Britain, lead by his example, show the best standards of British culture. And he can’t even talk to his own son who despite going public about his grievances continue to show he does have grievances. at this points Downing Street probably has it easier to sit down with Putin than the rift in the family healing. And that starts at the top with the king and future king themselves. And not mention Andrew seems to have better negotiating position for royal lodge than Harry. Think about that. The Monarchy of QE2 stiff upper lip, calm, even handed, a show of dignified leadership replaced by what I am calling a modern day court o Henry VIII
I'm going to put forward an argument....nope, not saying the British are nice people....BUT.....they managed to translate many things to English....so they managed to expose everyone's codebase to themselves....in a common language....so if people did not understand, they could borrow ideas from each other............... So................are the British really the villians.....or are they something else.........☺
@@DaveRussotto English is a Germanic language, Welsh is not - it’s a Celtic language. Their common language root would be Proto-Indo-European, and they split thousands of years ago
Prince of Wales Charles is now King Charles III, obviously you don’t understand the Royal Family. Obviously not British. Change your spelling of TITLE.
Do you think shame works?
YUP.
Yes, if someone has explained the objective reasons why one should feel ashamed
Only if shame (or a conscious) exists in the other person. People today have little respect or shame for they say or do and in modern culture, people are praised for acting out but other as shame for showing dignity and respect. Crown or no crown, too many quick to dribble foolishness out of their mouths (or from their thumbs, present company excluded) and think it is funny. We have a generation of attention whores and entitled brats who offer nothing.
Well it leaves its mark for sure, but maybe not the one you thought.
I feel a bit bad for Charles here, as I don't think he had any idea how disrespectful his previous behavior was. He was a bit goofy and nerdy, but I don't think he at all intended to disrespect his tutor or the Welsh. I can see why the tutor was angry though, and he was right to set Prince Charles straight. I know this is a drama obviously, but I can see a conversation like this happening.
Indeed, the tutor's problem really wasn't with Charles. He had a general resentment of the English and the royal family that he saw as English and he took it out on Charles, which really wasn't fair.
He's a real person - Edward Millward. When he taught Charles, he had just completed two years as Vice President of Plaid Cymru (the Party of Wales - the Welsh nationalist political party). He had very strong political views on the relationship between Wales and England and I'm sure that shaped his approach to teaching Charles.
I mean, that's the very problem. Ignorance is one the main roots of prejudice and xenophobia, not some separate non-problematic phenomenon.
@@chingizzhylkybayev8575 But Charles doesn't demonstrate any prejudice or xenophobia. Nobody knows everything about every culture. Not knowing something about another culture doesn't make you prejudiced or xenophobic.
There is just an expectation that, since he's the Prince of Wales, he ought to have some knowledge of Wales. That's why he was sent there to learn about the country. It isn't reasonable to expect him to already know everything when he has only just arrived to learn it.
@thomasdalton1508 "nobody knows everything about every culture" that's not every culture, though? That's a culture that he is visiting at the moment *specifically* with a purpose to learn about it, not to mention that it is a culture that his culture has bordered and shared an island with for centuries?
@@chingizzhylkybayev8575 Yes, he's there to learn about it. So obviously he isn't going to know about it yet. If he did, he wouldn't need to be there.
The tutor should be the boss in this setting, but Charles changed the subject from something serious and challenging to something he was comfortable at, dominating in a way that was disrespectful, though not intended as such.
If I held the title of Prince of Wales, I would be so dedicated to learning about the country and anything that comes with it. But, that’s just me.
If you held the title you would've led a completely different life and wouldn't be you...
You mean as the king did and William is now
I’m sure you would.
Terrific, watch the episode.
this isn't true, dont judge a man by his supposed televised drama actions - it's as historically relevant as Star Wars
He almost called out the Patriots with the La Li Lu Le Lo.
Kojima is behind it!
When you mean no harm but actually are completely out of line...
He's out of line...but still taking the time to learn their language and stay in their "country" they should be so happy to have him there the queen would have never...
@@lindsey7951 the queen would have never what?
Learned the language? She learned a few words. Stay in their country? She didn’t have a reason to.
Charles was Prince of Wales. Elizabeth was never Princess of Wales.
Nevertheless, she had a great deal of respect and admiration for the Welsh and their culture. she was the first reigning monarch to attend the national Eisteddfod (I hope I spelled that right). That was why she wanted Charles to learn it.
Read the room, dude.
When I first saw this show, I was curious on how they were going to make Charles appear likable on screen, given how divisive he is viewed, then I saw this scene of him show the vocal theater exercises, I immediately shouted "He's a nerd". Brilliant!
To be fair, I was born and raised in Wales, speaking the language for most of my early schooling. More than half the people I knew gave up the language at the first opportunity. It is not an easy language even when it surrounds you.
I lived in an area where 50% routinely spoke Welsh at home or down the pub (Gwynedd), but that was our own Gogish shorthand, not the national reconstruction of the ancient language taught at school. Both would have sounded as foreign to Llywelyn ab Iorwerth as west coast rap or Tolkein's Númenórean would to Shakespeare.
If they must keep the title, it is a great shame that they don't seek to make it mean something.
While holding your tongue, "my father works in a ship yard cleaning ashes".... Sally sells sea shells by the sea shore
I thought you meant the title of the video 😂
@@maxsch8454No. The title of Prince of Wales.
This is what I understood this to mean.
I understood it to mean POWales.
He wasn't speaking as his tutor. He was speaking as a loyal subject to the crown. Weather be our born into it or elected. Those in power need to be held accountable. I think this was the first time the prince has been held accountable by somebody outside of his family.
Held accountable for what? he's like 19 years old and The queen couldn't even be bothered to learn the language at all.
@@lindsey7951 the queen did learn a few words in it - but she was never the Prince[ss] of Wales - when it was suggested to her father that she become princess of Wales on her 18th birthday he rejected the idea.
She was very respectful of the Welsh and their culture, and that is why she wanted to make sure that he learned it
@@valerierodger I believe it was also Her Late Majesty who, when on a historic state visit to Ireland in 2011, opened her speech in Irish; _a Uachtaráin, a Thaoisigh agus a chairde ("Mr. President_ [of Ireland], _Mr. Prime Minister_ [Irish Head of Government], _friends")._ It may seem insignificant, and merely an act of basic courtesy, but the implications were huge. Not only was it the first visit by a ruling British monarch in a hundred years, but also the Crown's first visit to an independent Ireland. Imagine if the Queen's late father had done the same in 1949, when the Irish Republic came to be? The Troubles in Northern Ireland could very well have flared up 20 years earlier. If the Crown is basically acknowledging Ireland's sovereignty, and in the Irish language, what excuse is there to keep the United Kingdom? So, yes, I can certainly understand why Elizabeth was so PO'd at Charles' speech in Wales. The slightest indication that the Crown, regardless of its representative, endorses a nationalist cause would cause unprecedented political turmoil.
She sure learned Aberfan,
Good acting to remember that tongue twister
Yeah, I wonder how long it took him to memorize that!
When you’re trained at English theatre school I imagine it comes with the territory.
Charles is surrounded by people that are humorless, boring, and cate about pleasing the public above their own children.
Place their duty above even themselves.
You've seen them backstage have you ??
The queen never had to learn so there really shouldnt be judgement being passed on charles for even attempting to learn.
The Queen made sure he learned Welsh _because_ she never learned it other than a few words. She was very respectful of the Welsh and their culture.
The Queen was never given a proper education, something that I think she regretted🙁
Ouch yeah he pissed him off you can tell the devastation in Charles eyes that was great❤😂
Damn I was not bred for royalty 😂 I could not pretend to care this much about minor nuances in pronunciation.
While I agree that Charles should put more effort into learning about Wales, I feel like, yet again, he's being unfairly compared to the PREVIOUS holder of the title.
Windsors are insufferable.
God forbid the student show any enthusiasm or joy.
If he responds well to tongue twisters then teach him via tongue twisters.
If he doesn't know something, then teach him.
The problem is that the Tutor is already very annoyed with him over the Llewelyn comment and how he didn't know. It's not something a Welsh subject should have to teach the Prince of Wales. (Llewelyn was the last prince of the independent Wales, Llewelyn the Last, the person Charles ancestors beat in battle to take the crown of Wales).
And he's right that's a bit humiliating in terms of your monarch saying they don't know that. Charles doesn't even remember where his family got this crown, nor respect the history of their claim, not the people who came before.
So the Tutor comes into the discussion he's already on edge, and admittedly perceives Charles behaving this way far too uncharitably, where in a better mood he might have been receptive to it.
This may have been even well received if he said "Who is Llewlyn? Where is the Library? The only king I know is Henry VII." since that's both relevant to the Welsh throne and the English one and would be taken as a Welsh Unionist jab. But to leave it at that shows a disrespect to the title he's taking, the history of the country, and their identity.
Fun how Wales in this show is potrayed as dark and gloomy both outside and even inside.
Charles thinking to himself " Oh..... so that's what one calls a BOLLOCKING " .....
Even Rob McElhenney has been trying to learn the language. And he just co owns a football club.
I realilze this series isn't a documentary but I do like the way it presents all the expectations & restrictions on the aristocracy that come with all that influence & privilege.
Big ouch! Even if on screen the current King of The UK and former Prince of Wales deserved to hear it! The Tutor has guts even if he was speaking the truth
to all those watching, this never happened and Charles was always very respectful towards Welsh people and there culture
Ouch
I do wonder how many takes this took them to do 😁
Should have employed the Australian who trained George VI.
he is trapped in the role of prince of wales and has to hide his real personality
Why didn’t that tutor have a Welsh accent?
Welsh has the same accent as the English . Welsh is a very difficult language to learn. My mom, and her family moved from Wales 🏴 in the 1950's to Ontario, Canada 🇨🇦, on a ship with the Salvation Army. I hope you have a great weekend Danielle 🙂⚘️.
@@donnamitchell7707 no Welsh isn’t the same as an English accent at all.
What accent were you listening to? The tutor absolutely has a Cymraeg / Welsh accent.
@@danielle-g3k I know the Welsh accent, as all of my mothers family spoke fluent Welsh. It's a very hard language to learn. 🙂⚘️.
The tutor has a North Welsh accent. It is different to the more well known South Welsh accent.
lol what a puzzy
This scene is a hard watch so whenever i rewatch the seasons I skip it. It’s so incredibly difficult to sit through it.
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As if a tutor would dare speak to Royalty like that, especially the future King. Prince Charles would turf him out by his ear and kick his backside. Knowing the character, and how aggressive and moody he can be, they wouldn’t dream of talking to him in this way!
Never read old english history have you?
Youve never met a Welsh Nationalist have you?
I mean, Charles is trying..........☺
What did he do??
Showed a woeful a lack of knowledge of Wales culture history and the about the people. Then goofed off about the lanauge he was to be learning.
@@rosehill9537 okay thanks
@@rosehill9537* Shockingly woeful
In all honesty, it was very clear that Charles only wanted to be friendly. He was probably trying to ease the tension in the room in his own goofy way. In this circumstance, the professor was too blinded by his ideology and hatred for the monarchy to notice it.
Charles' family has no right to the title they hold over people they don't know in that region. He is disrespecting a culture that he is dominating by assuming the title. Good for the tutor.
@@norrinzelkarr8572 I can see both sides. He is young and woefully naive.
@@norrinzelkarr8572 of course they have a right to the title. That’s what comes with conquest. It’s a reality whether you like it or not. I’m not particularly impressed with the Anglo-Norman takeover of Scotland either, or what the English have done.
Queen Elizabeth II had a great deal of respect for the Welsh people and their culture, and she loved them, and that is why she wanted to make sure Charles learned about their culture and their language. I don’t think he had any lack of respect.
That said, if we’re stuck with one of them, I really would’ve preferred it to be Princess Anne
Baste tutor
Its sounds like the sch in Dutch
He’s so lame
Charles no symat h you hes going out of style or l...e
For all the PR and the friendly media coverage, this man was never quite up to it.
He will go down in history as an inadequate monarch.
He clangs discordantly about the environment, but his effect on law and broader attitudes has been negligible.
I imagine his will not be a very long reign and I imagine he will not be missed by the nation.
Is the real Charles this bafoony and moronic? Its all about Charles! No one else matters....
I feel the Crown makes Charles at time look like a good person. Like I’m even seeing comments that he love Diana but as friends. The King has shown an unending streak of immature decisions, and behaviors that befit a person of entitlement. Even now as King you see ever so slightly specially in his public appearance before the health situations a person that was angry and rude. Even now. The whole Harry thing continues to be a show of shoddy leadership. He is Supposed to be king of Britain, lead by his example, show the best standards of British culture. And he can’t even talk to his own son who despite going public about his grievances continue to show he does have grievances.
at this points Downing Street probably has it easier to sit down with Putin than the rift in the family healing. And that starts at the top with the king and future king themselves.
And not mention Andrew seems to have better negotiating position for royal lodge than Harry. Think about that.
The Monarchy of QE2 stiff upper lip, calm, even handed, a show of dignified leadership replaced by what I am calling a modern day court o Henry VIII
This is a fictional television show.
@@lionsjourney29that is certainly a statement that exists.
@@lionsjourney29Harry’s an entitled brat and uses the royal family for his own riches. I’d dump his a$$ too.
That I'd a young man though
I'm going to put forward an argument....nope, not saying the British are nice people....BUT.....they managed to translate many things to English....so they managed to expose everyone's codebase to themselves....in a common language....so if people did not understand, they could borrow ideas from each other...............
So................are the British really the villians.....or are they something else.........☺
So Welsh sounds can be a bit like German?
They have similar Rs but that's it
English is derived from the German language....
Not really
@@DaveRussotto English is a Germanic language, Welsh is not - it’s a Celtic language. Their common language root would be Proto-Indo-European, and they split thousands of years ago
Worst tittle, please change it
You misspelled title. Please change it.
Prince of Wales Charles is now King Charles III, obviously you don’t understand the Royal Family.
Obviously not British.
Change your spelling of TITLE.
More tattle perhaps?