My favorite thing about the greatest shot in cinema history is the glass shattering when he leaps from the building. He wasn't relaxed. He wasn't ready. But he still jumped.
well, you can still be ready to take the leap of faith, but the fact remains that no matter how ready you feel, it's still gonna be terrifying. And that's okay! It's okay to be scared of the jump as long as you take it
I love the way Cinema wins talked about it: Miles isn't falling into new york. The shot was upside down on purpose, so that Miles is RISING. The metaphorical and literal framing is so amazing and I always smile like an idiot.
The fact that it’s NOT Peter’s important lesson that unlocks Miles’ power, but his imperfect father admitting his imperfection and offering a simple, beautiful encouragement, WHOO. There’s some real power in humble parenting
And I just realized that this is the first Spiderman that has both parents and they are good solid people, so he doesn't have a tragic backstory. Not that Uncle Ben and Aunt May aren't good or even great parents, but they aren't Peter's parents, so there's already a generational wound that has to be dealt with and depending on what he knows or what is known about their death, Peter is likely dealing with abandonment issues and triggering loss, just for a starter. Miles is not only the first Spider person of color, he is the first person who is emotionally WHOLE when the spider bites. And about damned time that we see a hero who doesn't come from a broken home!
@@marieroberts5458In this movie, yes. The thing is in the comics Miles loses his father in a similar way that Peter loses Uncle Ben. The PS4 games shows this as well, the difference being that like you said Miles had Peter to guide him through what Peter had to suffer through alone for the most part.
And you can see when Miles jumps takes his leap of faith that his hands were still stuck to the glass. Instead of letting that hold him back he just pushed harder and broke the glass as he jumped. He was still scared and he didn’t even have full control of his power but he embraced it and jumped anyway. Such a fucking powerful moment.
I just re-watched this movie not too long ago, and I realized that moment when his father apologized and had a "talk" with Mike's, that is when Miles recognized his full potential. And that is great parenting AND being a great leader!
And gwen is such a prime example of how closed off and unemotional woman doesn't equal girlboss. The charecter felt like people rather than charecters.
Peter B Parker's emotional vulnerability has my entire heart (towards the end of the collider fight congratulating Miles and then immediately saying "do i want kids?" 😭😭😭)
@@HayeJosie and it comes out so satisfying with her journey in becoming emotionally vulnerable in the sequel. this is how you write a passionate female lead this is how you attach romance subplots to woman love interests this is exactly how you string along a secondary hero’s journey parallel to the main character’s!
@@HayeJosieGOD YES!!!! kind of late reply sorry for that but im SO tired of male writers pandering to that whole girlboss trend and making emotionally closed-off invenerable women, same for those psuedo-feminist writing that honestly just pushes gender roles further. it seems like writers who want to write “strong women” make them traditionally masculine, aka toxic. emotional venerability should be a strong trait in general!!! building walls and being closed off isnt strong at all!!!
Miles going on the roof then going back down the steps is my favorite joke in the movie because of how realistic it is anyone could relate to that it's amazing
Something to note: that move at the end that neither Peter nor Gwen taught him was actually the move he saw his original Peter doing at the beginning. Except now he’s adapted and mastered it on his own.
I'd like to add an additional observation: The one major difference between the two scenes is that Ultimate Peter (Pine) wove through construction scaffolding, reminiscent skyscrapers that we're used to seeing classic Spider Man swing through. But Miles weaves around busses, light rails, and other traffic as we saw him doing even before he got powers. Peter whips himself around a relatively rigid and stationary world while Miles flows through a world in constant motion.
It's not just that move either. So much of what Miles does in the finale is things copied from or taught by each of his several mentors/role-models throughout the movie. The leg-sweep, the swing round the machine, even the shoulder touch. It's all him adopting and adapting the lessons he's been given and making it his own.
It is also seen in the way his "web-swings" through the city. His original Spider-Man and Saggy Peter were almost exclusively swinging with their webs, Miles incorporated a ton of parcour moves, and that was not just because he was not yet experienced with webbing, parcour was just his and his uncle's favourite mode of travel.
Theres a saying i like when it comes to comparing yourself to others: Don't compare your Behind the Scenes with someone's Highlights. I feel it says completely what people do not realize what they are doing when comparing.
The fun part about that "I didn't teach him that...and you definitely didn't" part is that he learned that move from Chris Pine's Spiderman. Love this movie, so many of those great details!
AND the move that finally defeats Kingpin is one he learned from his Uncle Aaron: "Hey..." (granted, that's also a unique ability that Miles unlocked for himself)
He was taught, just not the way we imagine being taught. Anyone can be a teacher without even knowing it. When someone looks up to you, there's a chance they're also learning from what you do and how, especially if you're someone like spideyboi huh
The scene description from the script for the UPSIDE DOWN scene - "Miles walks to the edge of the roof, the wind buffeting.. and LEAPS! The camera is UPSIDE DOWN. Miles isn't falling through the frame. He's RISING." Gives me goosebumps every time.
The scene where Miles' dad is telling him he supports and loves him through the door makes me cry every time. The first time I saw this movie I had a really strained relationship with my dad and I knew that it was something that he would say and had been saying but I just hadn't heard it. I broke down crying in the theater during that interraction.
Hugs man. That scene makes me tear up too. I love how they use the fact that miles can't speak to make his father believe he's holding a grudge. And his father doesn't get angry or leash out, but he humbly explains himself and basically let's Miles go. It's such a good storytelling trick
I was a guy who didn't have a dad so it hits harder.. He truly loves him for who he is or whatever you could be. He believes in his son and that breaks my heart
I was one of the animators for Spiderverse, and it was simultaneously the proudest thing I've worked on and the hardest and most stressed out project. I'm so glad you guys enjoyed it, and even during internal viewings I've teared up a few times. Happy to answer questions if there are any.
When Miles jumped off the building and we see the buildings in those distorted-lens angles, how much more difficult was it? Did it take longer to complete than other scenes? Or was the real time sink the noir spiderman's scenes?
@@EclecticFruit I'm sorry I don't have an accurate answer for you in regards to the distorted-lens. That camera animation and choice of lens used was done in pre-visualization/layout department and then it comes into the animation department (where I was) for Miles to be animated. So Miles' animator had very little say on how the camera was done. Though I'm sure pre-viz/layout spent a good deal of time getting the buildings in the right place. Honestly, if I recall correctly, a lot of time were spent on Spider Noir's scenes, yes, but the scenes I remember spending the most time undergoing revision hell during reviews were Miles running across the taxi holding onto a passed out Peter B. Parker, Uncle Aaron's death scene, Peter and Miles swinging after they got the cpu, Miles' mom talking to Miles in his room while he pretended to be sleeping, among a very long list of other shots. It took the respective animators for those shots weeks - 1+ month to get those approved. 🥲We averaged less than a second a week of approved animation while animating.
@@jennykong2060 did you have to work on scenes that never got approved? Deleted content etc? If so, were there any in particular you're passionate about and wished they kept in the movie?
@@alexisgarcia5352 I had a sequence of shots I worked on that was cut 🥲, and a full scene that I didn't work on, but another team of animators did that was also cut. It was one of the sequences I teared up during internal viewing, and as much as I wish the director's kept it in, it wasn't needed for the movie. They made the right choices in the editorial room, and though the shots were great standalone, it would have taken away from the story telling. There were also a bunch that were storyboarded and never even made it to pre-via/layout, let alone all the way to animation.
If it hasent been mentioned yet i love the detail of Miles still not being 100% confident so he still sticks and breaks the glass before the leap of faith.
There’s a RUclips channel called Sideways and he does a great analysis about how the music illustrates this arc as well. Highly highly highly recommend.
There is also the detail of how Miles gets to the ceiling in the climax, where Peter B and Gwen say they didn't teach him that, it's the exact method Miles' Peter got up there in the first act. Where Miles is learning, not just from the people who taught him, but the people he idolized too; that even though he is more confident and more of his own individual, he is still filling Spiderman's shoes and trying to fit his hero's shadow. It's a great acknowledgement of personal growth while admitting he is still a kid with some growing left to do. It's also a great moment of Miles picking his mentors and his lessons, learning what he needs to know and making it part of him.
Fun fact: The trick Miles does in climax isn't from Peter B or Gwen. He learned that from Peter A. I always took that as the movie showing that Miles is now the Spiderman of that universe.
@@8unnylover I think it was a scene that just stuck out to me when Peter A first did it, so I was able to recognize it within my first viewing that Miles copied.
Okay so this is a known fact huh, I just noticed it now while watching this after Gwen and peter B had that "did we teach him that" talk. I was like wait that move looked familiar
I kind of low key loved that Miles powers were based on his strengths and fears (imo). He wants to hide away from expectations and the eyes of the people around him, but he’s also got this electric personality with explosive creativity just dripping off him. He’s got so much potential, but he wants to hide from it (he doesn’t know how to use it or even that it’s there in some cases) and you see that in his super powers and how sporadic and uncontrollable they are for him. Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk, I hope you enjoyed my mini theory.
I find that this is something that most people don't talk about.. how powers are influenced by personalities and yet it shows up over and over in stories with powers.
Its also applicable for like which powers he uses. When hes really scared and out of his element he uses the invisibilty stuff, with only a few bursts of electricity coming in. Until the end when hes fully knows what do with his creative energy and he is able to use it when he wants
Honestly my favorite part of the scene that builds into the best shot in cinema history. Aunt May was sitting there, Aunt May knew the whole time he was going to make it that he was going to be there. She had absolute faith in Miles, a kid she had known for a few hours at most a kid who was in way worse shape than Peter was when he got his powers ((Peter is typically tail end of Highschool when he gets his powers, Miles get it just starting Highschool so he's actually one of the most powerful as it also affected his development and skyrockets the power he gets but that's not important here)) May just knew he'd make it, that look the tea in her hand. She had one of the things you need when you have those role models, absolute knowledge that you'd make it, that no matter what happened, how you fell or how you bent and broke, that you would make it.
She literally says "Took you long enough." lol she was just waiting, she knew he was coming. What I like about that moment is that Aunt May doesn't know Miles personally. She doesn't know what he's going to do.... but she knows Spiderman... and Spiderman was gonna show up.
Fun fact: when Gwen says, "I didn't teach him that, and you definitely didn't," Miles just did the move that Peter Parker (Pine) did in their first scene together.
I KNOW RIGHT???! XD even when blondie peter didn't get to actually teach miles, miles still learned something from him, so he DID teach him something my heart
Peter Parker and Miles Morales’ relationship has become my favorite thing about Spider-Man. Peter so often carries so many burdens on his own to the point that it borders on martyrdom. But when Miles came along, he simply couldn’t do things alone because someone else needed him. On the other hand, Miles brings a new layer to the Spider-Man ethos. He’s youthful, extroverted, and comes from a completely different background and culture. He has a much stronger support system that he is more than willing to protect. And because of that, Miles is very invested in Peter’s well-being and I LOVE that. Miles Morales is just the best. He’s my favorite character.
I totally love it, and also very important: THEY ALLOWED PETER TO GROW! Peter Parker started as a kid years ago, many of his fans are already dead, I am 30, let the character break out of being 18 and hooking up with every female character that comes near him... Seeing him as a father figure was magical.
Your comment just made me realise something... As a hero, Spidey can be hit and miss. With a lot of misses when not written very well. But as a mentor, Peter always excels! And through the exact same things that can easily make him annoying: his self doubt, sometimes reaching into self-pity, his occasional dislike of the responsibility he can not help but hoard, his "I'm so funny hahah" wit.... Not only will he feel the immediate responsibility for the wellbeing of his mentee, It all means that no matter what his pupil is telling himself, Pete has told himself much worse. Butt then talked himself out of it, so he knows what works. And that he knows that sometimes you need a soft hug, sometimes you need a thumbs up whole playing catch, other times you need your legs swept so hard your body inverts momentum and you fly up in the air.
"It's good to have role models. It's good to have people you look up to. But you can't just ape someone's style or the way do things because at best you'll always be a cheap imitation or passable imitation...what you have to contribute to the world is what YOU bring to it." What a great message for everyone, young and old! We usually give this kind of message to teens as they're still figuring out who they are, but even as adults we continue to try to become those we look up to instead of learning from them. Thanks, Cinema Therapy!
Exactly! Is it smart to look at what the greats have done before you? Of course. Draw inspiration and don’t reinvent the wheel. But making a craft or skill your own in the end is key.
that's why I like the movie miles so much better honestly. comic book miles always felt like a cheap copy in some ways. this became especially apparent, when they decided to put both peter and miles spiderman into the same universe, both alive and both being spider-man. made very little sense to me honestly. if they want them to share a world, then miles needs to rebrand. peter will always be prime spider-man. they need to give miles his own spider-title, if they want them to co-exist in the same universe.
The chromatic aborrition they used also replicates how sometimes old comics were printed a bit off, so small mistakes would make the different colors print at an offset from the lineart.
Ah, damn it. That scene where Miles is tied up and his Dad is talking to him through the door just brought me to tears. Wanting so hard to connect with his son, just wanting his son to know he loves him, and realizing he shouldn't push Miles to say it back
Miles is the insecure everyperson here. He's in way over his head and has only the most vague idea of his purpose. But he rises to the occasion and not only decides to the do right thing, he explodes into the role. He has no idea what to do at first, but his first thought is to do GOOD. It's one reason why I love this movie. Miles knows what heroes are. Spiderman, his dad, the dedicated cop, his mom the medical professional. Miles knows what good IS, he just needs to figure out what good he can do.
One of my favorite differences between Peter and Miles is their motivation for becoming a hero. Peter never chose or wanted to be a hero. Peter wanted to make money wrestling and become famous, he was so full of himself that his selfishness caused Uncle Ben's death. He became Spider-Man out of guilt, a sense of obligation, and it showed. He doesn't embrace it, he constantly complains about how much Spider-Man is ruining his life. It took years of character development to finally take him to a point where he actually embraces being a hero, not out of guilt but because he wants to do good. Miles is the complete opposite of that, he ENJOYS being Spider-Man, he LOVES being Spider-Man and he sees it as a privilege and an honor. While it doesn't come without its burdens, he embraced his responsibility and saved people without question because that's what Spider-Man would do. What took Peter years of self-reflection and trauma to accept, Miles accepted almost instantly. Miles will one day become a better Spider-Man than Peter ever could, and nobody will be more proud of that than Peter himself. I firmly believe that Miles has the potential to become the next Nightwing. In the next 10 years, we will see more Miles fans than Peter fans within the comicbook space, and maybe even beyond, as Miles is getting the adaptation opportunities Nightwing could only dream of having (his own game and movie for example).
@@senspideyfan Miles in the comic has little in resemblance to the miles depicted in this film, but that is beside the point. We have no idea of what Miles' Spiderman's origin story is. We know the Remi film's origin story and many comic version story, but not this Spiderman's story. Which is just fine, we just need to acknowledge we know nothing about this Spiderman other than he was well-liked and died. I think a key thing in this film's Spiderman is that this is a kind-of-sorta passing of the torch, but it is difficult to tell. We have another Spiderman, and whatever his origin story is, who acknowledges and mentors Miles. Miles is a good kid, but also stands on the shoulders of the previous Spiderman, using him as a role-model. A role model Peter didn't have. Peter Parker literally defines what it is to be Spiderman to Miles, as he is that world's first. If we accept that both original Spiderman has the same Uncle Ben dies story( we have couple reason to believe they share the same story), then that changes a few things, I think. Does that excuse Peter's selfishness? No, and it costs Peter as you point out - but these are two different characters with different temperaments, backstories, and family relations. I think the enjoyment of the two stories comes down to which you enjoy more: Peter: A person who isn't inherently virtuous, but learns to be better through effort and errors. Miles: A person who is inherently virtuous and has a role model in the previous incarnation of Spiderman to further help guide him. There is nothing wrong with either of these story lines, but to say that one is "Better" than the other seems a point of subjection based on the execution of each story. We also don't have a great idea of how Miles views being Spiderman in 'Into the Spiderverse" as he's been Spiderman for a couple days. It has impacted his life, but he hasn't had a chance on screen to really internalize it. We'll get to know him more in the second one, to which I look forward to.
Spider-Verse was such an incredible take on a Spiderman film. All the other films so far have hammered on "With Great Power comes Great Responsibility." This one touched on it, but it had a different nuance. Each of the Spider-Beings in the film were the first/original in their universe to have been bitten. They all had to come to an understanding of their powers on their own, and they came to shoulder the great responsibility naturally over time. Miles was not the first. He had a predecessor. So it makes sense that his motivation is different too - he knows he has a great responsibility. He's seen it. It's such a great responsibility, it probably felt crushing to think about. An extremely experienced and seemingly invincible Spider-Man was all he'd ever known, and he was suddenly asked to step into his shoes after he was finally defeated. It makes sense that he would feel like a child amongst adults sometimes, and feel like he is not being treated as an equal. It makes sense that overcoming his own Great Expectations is his personal battle, not growing into his Great Responsibility.
It's actually with great power OUGHT to come great responsibility. That one word makes all the difference, which I do think the spiderman franchise embraces, because there is more of a choice in it. If it is "ought" than one can easily choose to deny either power or responsibility or even both. But the thing about all the Spideys is that they choose to take on both the power and responsibilty, which is why their story works as an inspiration, but specifically Miles too due to what you have stated about his circumstances.
I really like how the writers switched the moral around, and have it be “with great responsibility comes great power”. When Miles given the responsibility to choose, rather than being forced into a place people want him to be, it makes him feel strong.
@@mackielunkey2205 This is why I kinda liked how they "betrayed" Miles by tying him to the chair. They weren't looking down on Miles, they were giving him an out. He had done enough, there was no need to be put his life in danger. Being Spider-Man should be choice, not an obligation just because you have Spider powers.
@@wesleywallace4426 Miles was also very rattled by his uncle’s death, and he wasn’t in a good state of mind to make the decision. And in the first Raimi movie, we’ve seen the consequences when the Spider-People choose to act rashly during this time.
"That's all it is Miles. A leap of faith." That single line has become one of the most iconic lines in Spider-Man history. And for good reason. It completely encompasses what it is to not only be Spider-Man, but to be a hero. edit- after seeing Across the Spider-Verse where "that's all it is Miles. A leap of faith." used to define miles, I now wholeheartedly believe "nah, Imma do my own thing" is what will define him going forward. Whereas the previous line still holds true to some extent, now Miles has come into his own as a Spiderperson, and is going to do things his way. Not what others say he should do.
The way that Miles webswings is unique to him. Peter B.’s is more relaxed because he has been webswinging for so long. People are saying that he swings more like Chris Pines’ spidey, but I think he is more like his uncle. He didn’t webswing a lot, he mostly did a lot of parkour around the buildings.
Miles is also more familiar with running than the other spider people, so he tries to maximise running instead of web swinging. You see it especially in across the spiderverse when he's escaping the lobby. He knows he's not as good at web slinging so he avoids it and instead runs/climbs wherever possible.
I think it got said in one of the interviews for the movie that they chose to flip the shot of him falling to make it show how he was rising up and becoming his own spiderman instead of just imitating the others.
The scene of Miles dragging the depressed version of Peter across town while being chased as the "kid in a costume dragging a dead guy" was the hardest I've laughed at a movie in a LONG time.
My first thought as an animator- if I worked with a character like Noir (cel shaded in monochrome) the hardest thing about it would be making all of his movements readable. They hit the nail on the head by making all of his poses have a distinct silhouette that can convey whatever parts of him are too dark to see. 16:10 When he's sitting, he's by a bright window that draws his head perfectly. When he punches 16:13 his arm is fully crossing over his body to break through his silhouette. If it didn't his hand would pretty much be an unreadable black shape inside of his body silhouette. That's just a neat little detail I notice and I really respect the added thought that goes into portraying his physique.
One thing that people never talk about regarding the leap of faith scene is that the building Miles jumps from is One World Trade Center (or his universe’s version of it). Miles went from being too scared to jump from a kinda tall building, to jumping from the tallest skyscraper in the Western Hemisphere. It really adds to the moment although no one brings it up.
I work with elementary kids in a city that doesn’t do much to help anybody who isn’t well-off and white. Any time I ask who their favorite superhero is, it’s ALWAYS Spider-Man. When I ask which Spider-Man, it’s ALWAYS Miles. Representation matters. ❤
Yup. I work in a primary in a city in the UK. This film really hit some of the kids hard, one especially really needed it and he just seemed to grow so much on seeing it. Of course he dressed up as Miles on our fancy dress day.
I work with Youth Athletics away from every large city on Earth, and my players liked Miles better, too. Probably because they could relate more to Miles having two parents.
20:00 A note about the music in this scene, at the climax they layered the movie's main theme (which may be the Spiderman theme) over "What's Up Danger", and it creates a such a triumphant and emotional score. I just. I just love that creativity.
22:08 One other thing about this entire sequence is that it not only shows Miles lingering nervousness (the glass breaks when he pushes off of it meaning he didn't fully 'unstick') but he doesn't straight up swing everywhere like the original Spider-Man or any of the others for that matter. Over the course of his entire traversal from the first building to the overlook, he only shoots five webs. He uses it to get altitude and speed, but a large portion of his motion is running, jumping, and parkour. After all, he 'runs better than he swings'.
I almost cried in theaters when Aaron admit his mistakes to Miles, he didn't want to dissappoint... I had to rewatch the movie again before eatching this video. It's the 3rd or 4th rewatch
Can we also appreciate how this movie stressed the importance of becoming a mentor? Even when you are not perfect? Or going through something rough? Do it. Find something your passionate in and do it. You won't regret it. It will be one of the best leaps of faith you ever make.
I really appreciate mentors who are suffering and going through their own pain, but out of some sort of goodness, put that aside for the sake of someone else who could use help or guidance.
I volunteer with an organization that mentors teens interested in aviation, and when I tell you that having a parent tell me how big of a difference I've made for their kid is a bigger prize for me than any other award I've gotten from school or work or elsewhere. And yeah, I am not perfect. Not even close to kind of. But it turns out I don't need to be to help others figure stuff out, especially when working as part of a team where we all have different strengths.
What really gets me is the shot were we see the glass tear away as Miles makes the leap. Miles sticks to things when he’s terrified, and he can’t unstick until he relaxes. He is completely and totally terrified when he leaps, but he finds the mental and physical strength to tear himself away from the glass. This time, he chooses to leap despite the fear, he doesn’t fall by accident like the first time.
This movie hit me so hard in high school. I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life and I was under immense pressure from my parents to go into a super tough field. It really helped me a lot
My favorite part of "the greatest shot in cinema history" is the actual scene notes from the script. "He isnt falling. Hes rising." It gives me CHILLS and they knew EXACTLY how hard they wanted it to go.
Fun thing that has probably already been said in the comments: in the script for the “What’s Up Danger” scene, it says “Miles isn’t falling through the frame, he’s rising” and that single line is so powerful and it just adds to the amazing scene
Miles getting to the ceiling the exact same way OG Peter Parker did shows he has finally become his own Spider-Man. Even back in the very beginning, he was learning from the greatest and taking his teachings to heart.
Another important note about the "What's Up Danger" / "falling up" scene: it's established earlier in the film that Miles unintentionally sticks to things when he's scared or anxious, because he needs to relax to unstick. In that scene, when he jumps, the glass shatters under his fingers, because he's still stuck to them. He's still scared and anxious, not at all sure if he can do it, but he does it anyway... and he rises.
I love the subtle symbolism behind each of Miles' leaps of faith. The first time he tries, his shoes are untied, representing that he hasn't yet matured into his Superhero role. They're tied during his next attempt, showing his newfound responsibility.
lmao dude, how is it that you have nothing better to do than search through all of these comments trying to find things to complain about? i've seen you three times already, give it a break 😂
The “Ben day dots” you guys were referring to are also known as half-tone! They’re very popular for shading and lighting in black & white works! Good video btw guys! I love your stuff!
Ben Day dots are clearly what the animation team are trying to reference, since most comic books of that era used flat blacks for their line art rather than halftones (although of course, it's a big industry, there are always exceptions, but screen printing was a far too lengthy and expensive process for most comics). They wound up using different sizes of dots to make the effect read more efficiently, so it's not TRUE Ben Day, but like... c'mon, we know that's what they are trying to evoke, and it's not screen printing. I mean, if you're using proper ink saturation while screen printing, you don't even see the dots in a final screen print piece, you only see the dots on the screen! ;) And don't get me started on manga halftones, they don't even all use circular dots!
@@betterlatethannever4536 BUT BUT! The early comics didn't always use the proper ink saturation or lines per inch due to how cheap they were running everything. Hence, Lichtenstein making his pop derivative works that didn't properly credit the source artists. (Hell, even more current ones. Dark Horse was running the interiors of their Usagi Yojimbo books at... 120 lines per inch if I'm remembering correctly, and the cover was maybe 150? Been over a decade since we switched to direct to plate, so I don't remember all the stuff from imaging the films. Other than maintaining the film imager sucked, cleaning everything when the density dipped was awful, and I'm glad I don't have to deal with gallons of developer chemicals anymore. I could probably check if I can find the line-screen measuring tool we used to have and if any of the film hasn't been recycled yet. Manga halftones that are not camera shot or created in a vector program are the Devil's dandruff and I hate them.)
Now you guys have GOT to do Across the Spiderverse. It really shows Miles' journey into maturing as a teenager and as Spider-Man and what it means to be a hero and to write your own story/destiny. There's a lot of other characters that you should analyze as well like Gwen Stacy, Miguel O'Hara, and Miles' parents. Please do, it really truly is a beautiful movie.
I’m 29 and I still struggle with comparing myself to other people. When I saw this movie originally, I’m not gonna lie, I completely ignored the messaging. I was so enthralled with the story that the deeper message flew over my head completely. Watching this cinematherapy recap is something I had no idea I needed. This is probably my new favorite video you guys have done because of how much it speaks to me personally.
Beyond the comic aesthetic, I also love the way this movie respects and imitates the style of graffiti, especially since graffiti is considered a "low" art form. And the texture actually isn't Ben Day dots, it's CMYK halftones! Ben Days are all uniform in size (think Andy Warhol), whereas halftones gradiate (I'm citing CinemaWins on this one).
This movie makes me sob like a baby. It really is such an inspiring film to trust yourself and your abilities, something I’ve struggled with for so long
Miles is such a well written character that has earned his place in our hearts. I do hope we see more of this version of Dr. Octopus, I was surprised when she revealed herself.
One of the things that I love about the "We taught him that, right?" "I didn't teach him that and you definitely didn't" scene is that the moves he does there are actually very reminiscent of the first thing he saw HIS Peter Parker Spiderman do, with hitching a ride on the collider and then swinging around with its rotation to reach the ceiling, only he's also doing it while dodging pieces of other universes. So it's like his first spider mentor did actually get to pass on one little thing, and he's finally able to take it and use it in his own way.
I think my favorite part was when his father tells him about the spark he see's in Miles. I love when he says "I love you, you don't have to say it back" it just adds so much beauty and depth to that scene. I remember tearing up a bit with that scene
I really want these guys to do a Treasure Planet episode. There's so much to talk about both in the therapy side with losing a father at an early age and how it effects people to the amazing deep canvas technology that made cgi and hand drawn animation flow to perfectly together.
I third this!! I love Jim’s story and the song “im still here” as someone who has an emotionally neglectful and distant father with traditional values I’ll never live up to
I love the moments in commentaries when a scene is so gripping none of the hosts talk through it. I myself just wanted to put this on the background and sat through the whole thing. Spider-verse IS THAT FILM
That scene between Miles and his dad gets me every time. Because it's reassurance and encouragement I've longed for my whole life and as a parent now it's something I make sure my kid has every day. Love this movie so much.
25:03 Well, this isn't quite Miles doing things his way, it's him stepping into blonde-Peter's shoes. It's the same maneuver that impressed him early in the movie, which you can see at 8:05.
I read somewhere that blond Peter did that move against a black/white background, which are the main colors of Miles suit. And later, Miles does the same move against a Red and Blue background, the colors of his fallen mentor.
@@GrizzneyGames I really like that it's close but not the exact same. Even the final landing pose is different. But you can tell where Miles learned it from but Miles made it his own.
When this movie came out I watched it twice in theaters in the same day. The art is *chef's kiss* and the story and character growth is so beautiful!!!😍 As a artist how the movie down was very ground breaking. No one thought about doing it so beautifully. every time his father talks to him and he comes into his own is beautiful. I love the part where he makes the leap of faith and rises while he falls.
I never watch the same movie more than once, at least not until years later when I've forgotten most of it. But for Spider-Verse, I saw it in theaters three times, with three different groups of people, within the first week of release. It is my favorite movie ever, only recently tied up with Everything Everywhere All At Once.
Something else I love in the moment where he trips in the building and breaks the goober is how it all happened. He chose to go to the smaller building because he was scared, he played it safe which stopped it from being a leap of faith. He inherently didn’t trust in his own abilities and let his fear take over. And the thing that makes him fall is his untied shoes, something he said was a choice. The biggest mistake he made in that jump was that he was trying to be Peter’s Spider-man but was still just Miles. Those untied shoes represented who Miles was before the bite and he was still being that in the moment. From that point onward, he keeps his shoes tied because he learned. While he does make his own thing with the Spider-man mantle, he still took in what worked and what didn’t, as well as learning key points from the others that he applies in his own ways
Can't wait to see what you guys think of the sequel. It spoke to me psychologically with that feeling of being the odd one out, the anomaly, the mistake. I just wish it had a clear resolution to that feeling.
I love this movie so much and it means a lot to me. I know a lot of people really relate to Peter Parker but for me I relate more with Miles because of the whole "living up to the expectations of others" This whole movie is so beautiful and the way is animated is fantastic. Miles being animated in 12 frames changes throw out the movie, at the end he is in full 24 frames because his journey finally gets him to that point of "I am myself" The first time I watched this movie I cried like a baby and I still do because it teached me so much.
8:18 My favorite quote is "Don't compare your beginning with someone else's middle." No idea who said it but I try to remember this, along with someone else said "You overestimate what you can get done in a day, but underestimate what you'll get done in a year." Gezz.... Now I want to rewatch this
Thanks for covering this masterpiece. Saw a ten year old kid sing Sunflower at karaoke this week. Cheered like it was Argentina playing football. His little grin when he was done and walked back to his parents was everything. Films really do help form and inspire.
Into the spider-verse and iron giant are my favorite movies ever. They both inspired me in different ways and are one of the movies that always holds my excitement. They’re the only movies i refused to get rid of, when i had to sell a lot of my movies. They just mean a lot to me
I just love the glass breaking as Miles makes his leap of faith, showing that even then he wasn't quite ready to let go - he becomes ready in the act of taking the leap.
I'd also like to add, Miles would only get his powers to work when he was afraid. So the glass shattering as he launches himself is so intense to me because he's making that attempt let go of that fear and take that leap of faith. GOD I LOVE THIS MOVIE!!!
That is good. Miles was able to become his own Spider-Man. He learn from his mistakes and have responsibilities while Kingpin didn't. Kingpin never learn from his mistakes and refuse to take responsibilities and loss everything at the end.
"Anyone can wear the mask. *You* can wear the mask". It's one of the through-lines in the film. And it always makes me tear up. Because it's true. All it takes is making the choice. Maybe you can't cling to buildings and swing on a web. Maybe you can't do the acrobatic stuff. But if you can stretch your idea of what a hero is and what a hero does, then you can be one, too.
This Stan Lee cameo always hits me the hardest. “It always fits… eventually.” Has become one of my life’s mottos. And also “No returns or refunds. Ever!”
Whoever is in charge of the subtitles is amazing. When talking about the shot that's getting all amped up and then ends with him going back down the stairs, on the stairs the subtitles read "Squeaks of nope". I was dying 😂😂
23:46 way I see it, is that this shot hits hard because not only did he take his literal leap of faith (note how he broke the glass as he was not relaxed like Peter B Parker told him to be, therefore he wasn't ready for the leap) and is therefore falling, but he in falling he is rising to meet his destiny of being the next Spider-Man.
I have to say that the whole scene, "What's Up Danger" is so powerful. It is the best scene ever in my opinion, compared to the climax of a lot of movies nowadays. The hype song, the visuals, the adrenaline rush the viewer gets, it's all top-notch art!
My favorite little detail on that amazing shot is the glass breaking, it's super dramatic, and shows that he wasn't just over his fear, he was scared and couldn't unstick from the window so he just broke it off as he took his leap, so amazing
Whenever I see the falling up shot it reminds me of how the script describes it as something like 'Miles isn't falling. He's rising.' I love this film so much
when miles shows up to the final battle, sneaks the goober away from peter and get's going to destroy the machine, he actually does the same one hand hang-elevating move on the machine's rotating part, that the other peter parker did at the beginning of the film!
When Miles goes up to the reactor to send everyone home, the whole "Did we teach him that?" Moment. Miles goes up the same way Peter A does at the start of the movie. Miles learns from everyone and adds his own twist at the end!
I struggle when it comes to comparing myself to others. I’m 28, still living at one of my parents house with a degree that I keep saying is useless, all while friends my age have a family of their own, a steady job, and probably a decent house at this point. I feel like I know what I wanna do, but the success rate is low and I feel like I’m constantly being reminded of that by the parent that I’m living with. It’s a bit of a struggle, but I feel like I’m about to get into a position where I have a stable job and should be able to have the time that I can explore what it is I want to do.
Bro I am in this situation right now. I want to be Graphic Designer because it is closest to being an illustrator or photographer. I did a lot of research of pros and cons, the success rate, salary, etc. And found that even in my state, there are a lot of jobs out there. However, before I even could my parents put a lot of pressure on me and being immigrants they believed education=success and prestige. They expect doctor, lawyer, etc. And while I was interested in "real" job like forensic scientist. My passion for arts is too grand. I did choose a major in legal studies and immediately in first semester found it was not for me. I got the grades, it was interesting, yeah I could do it. But it wasn't for me. Eventually I hard a breakdown after months and maybe even years of depression and anxiety did they finally see the pressure. Part of me is glad they finally listened. But the other part of me is pissed that it had to take a mental breakdown for them to listen. I am thinking about switching to graphic arts and design at my community college next year. Achieve an associates. Though I am afraid because of the expectation and pressure. Even though logically I know there are a lot of jobs out there for this career. And it can be for a company 9-5 or a freelance route. I am afraid that if I fail it would be like "I told you so" from my parents. But if it is a mistake, I want to make the mistake
I'm 35 and I didn't really feel like I knew what I was doing til well into my 30s. I know it sucks right now, but you aren't junk for having a hard time. You're working through it, and that's what we all do. It sounds like you're about to find your way, good luck
I saw somewhere that Peter B Parker was not the father figure that Miles needed, but Miles was the son figure that Peter B Parker needed. Not something you see too often in films and was a great refresher (This film is literally the reason I’m pursuing becoming a children’s media writer, I love it so much and I could say SOOOOO much about this film)
19:11 His father crossing the middle of the screen to lean in to his son's "space" was such a great visual of the humility and vulnerability that the dad has with Miles there. Just SUCH a beautiful visual.
I don't think this movie's soundtrack gets enough credit for being as good as it is. "What's up Danger" and "Star a Riot" and "Sunflower" all feel ICONIC in the moment.
A CHANNEL THAT COMBINES SOME OF MY TWO FAVORITE THINGS MOVIES AND LEARNING THE PSYCHOLOGY BEHIND THEM TO MY FAV MOVIE??!! What a wonderful surprise nvr clicked SOOO fast🖤🖤
I want to emphasize an element of the story and character of Miles that felt so different and positive: he explicitly flourishes when he feels loved and/or supported and confident in himself, not purely in life or death scenarios that put him under intense stress. That scene where the other spider people are pressuring him to use his powers and he can’t contrasted with his transformation of confidence after his father speaks to him through the door - never seen that before in film! It was so great to see representation of a person not being hurt into achieving power. Also queer found family themes in “I thought I was the only one” etc we love to see it
25:59 Thing I love here: Sometimes we forget our own lessons, and need someone to say the thing we know back to us so we remember. I can't even count how many times I've told people it's okay to rely on others and ask for help, and then turned around and tried to solve my own problems all by myself.
When talking to Peter B. Parker before sending him into his universe, I saw Miles’ face wavering considering to repeat his advice, but I feel like that actually adds to the confidence
The thing I love most about Lloyd and Miller is that they are masters at taking established properties and making them feel universal Like with Spider man even if your not a fan of the franchise you can watch this film and it feels like you've been a fan for years The lego movie is another great example, although most people know about lego and have most likely played with it, its easy for a story about it to feel alien. Not all of us had the same experiences and not all of us played the same way with lego. However Lloyd and Miller use the movie to embrace peoples different play styles and tell a story that brings together the feeling we all shared while playing with those toys even if we didn't play the same way. Its honestly genius
I love the distinct ways that every Spider-Man moves. Peter B moves like we'd expect of Spider-Man in a fight, but he uses his powers in super mundane ways, like when he uses his webs to ring the doorbell or saunters down the side of a building. Gwen is like a ballerina, she even has ballet shoes in her suit, and she has these really cool flourishes and grace in her movement. Noir relies mostly on hand-to-hand fisticuffs instead of his powers and Ham obviously uses cartoon slapstick liberally. And when Miles finally comes into his own, his style is entirely unique to all of them, even Blonde Peter: it's more like parkour. He wall runs and hops on buses and relies less on purely swinging and more on getting from one surface to the other. He hasn't had a lot of practice swinging with his webs, but he's had practice with finding ways to parkour over walls and fences in the city (as seen when Aaron shows him a new spot to tag), so he relies on that and uses his new powers to supplement it. I find that so incredibly cool.
Little surprised they didn't mention the glass scene right before The Greatest Scene in Cinema™️ cause it shows one thing He wasn't ready, not at all, he was nervous and scared, but he still took the leap. It's true bravery. Being brave isn't the lack of fear, it's acting despite it. (Sorry I just love this movie sm and is my favorite, I've studied so many times)
One thing I'd like to add, at 25:10 the moves Miles performed were actually how Pine's Spider-Man climbed the collider when they first met. He's taking parts of all of his mentors then combining them into his own style, like how you mix colours with painting, or remixing music
The What's Up Danger sequence has to be one of the most powerful moments in cinema EVER. Between the characters, the visuals, and the music it STILL brings me to tears.
Miles is such a relatable and inspiring character. One quote from the game that could fit well into this move: "Whenever you talk about SpiderMan, you always mean the other one... You're SpiderMan!"
One of the reasons that the "leap of faith" scene is the "greatest shot in cinema history" is because the visual imagery of Miles "rising" in the scene was conceptualized before they even had a script. In other words, the whole script/movie was built around that scene (as it says in the script, which Sony graciously has made available online to fans): Peter B (V.O.): You won't. That's all it is, Miles...a leap of faith. Miles walks to the edge of the roof, the wind buffetting, and *LEAPS!* The camera is UPSIDE DOWN. Miles isn't falling through the frame. He's RISING. (interesting note: in screenwriting, words in upper-case CAPS are often camera shots or actor directions from the writer, like CLOSE-UP or looks LEFT; in this particular section, it's that and . . .something else). Another note: the filmmakers confirm that Miles' fingers stick to things at the beginning of the movie when he is scared or nervous. The glass shatters because his fingers are sticking to it because he's still nervous and scared--but he leaps anyway.
As somebody who constantly doubts himself and undervalues himself, as someone who is getting into streaming and wondering if I'll ever be someone worth watching, the scene of Miles very intentionally rising through the frame always makes me tear up.
My favorite thing about the greatest shot in cinema history is the glass shattering when he leaps from the building. He wasn't relaxed. He wasn't ready. But he still jumped.
well, you can still be ready to take the leap of faith, but the fact remains that no matter how ready you feel, it's still gonna be terrifying. And that's okay! It's okay to be scared of the jump as long as you take it
He was still holding on to the glass. He was still afraid. And he still took the leap
@@TheNukedNacho Exactly. I've heard it attributed to a few different people, but I love the quote, "Courage is being afraid, but doing it anyway."
goosebumps every damn time
I love the way Cinema wins talked about it: Miles isn't falling into new york. The shot was upside down on purpose, so that Miles is RISING. The metaphorical and literal framing is so amazing and I always smile like an idiot.
The fact that it’s NOT Peter’s important lesson that unlocks Miles’ power, but his imperfect father admitting his imperfection and offering a simple, beautiful encouragement, WHOO. There’s some real power in humble parenting
And I just realized that this is the first Spiderman that has both parents and they are good solid people, so he doesn't have a tragic backstory. Not that Uncle Ben and Aunt May aren't good or even great parents, but they aren't Peter's parents, so there's already a generational wound that has to be dealt with and depending on what he knows or what is known about their death, Peter is likely dealing with abandonment issues and triggering loss, just for a starter.
Miles is not only the first Spider person of color, he is the first person who is emotionally WHOLE when the spider bites. And about damned time that we see a hero who doesn't come from a broken home!
@@marieroberts5458In this movie, yes. The thing is in the comics Miles loses his father in a similar way that Peter loses Uncle Ben. The PS4 games shows this as well, the difference being that like you said Miles had Peter to guide him through what Peter had to suffer through alone for the most part.
And you can see when Miles jumps takes his leap of faith that his hands were still stuck to the glass. Instead of letting that hold him back he just pushed harder and broke the glass as he jumped. He was still scared and he didn’t even have full control of his power but he embraced it and jumped anyway. Such a fucking powerful moment.
I just re-watched this movie not too long ago, and I realized that moment when his father apologized and had a "talk" with Mike's, that is when Miles recognized his full potential. And that is great parenting AND being a great leader!
This here is the real tipping point for Miles, this scene makes me bawl everytime.
The thing that gets me every time is miles tells Aaron that he has never let him down and when Aaron dies he tells miles he's sorry he let him down
And the real touch is how it isn't Miles who brings it up. Aaron he himself says this because he SEES it that way.
Aaron's sadness at letting down the person who looks up to him, the family that reminds him most of his brother...that one breaks me.
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Aaron not Alan
@@msk-qp6fn it's fucking aron
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I love how all the male characters are so willing to show and share emotions. The perfect example of HEALTHY masculinity
And gwen is such a prime example of how closed off and unemotional woman doesn't equal girlboss. The charecter felt like people rather than charecters.
Peter B Parker's emotional vulnerability has my entire heart (towards the end of the collider fight congratulating Miles and then immediately saying "do i want kids?" 😭😭😭)
@@HayeJosie and it comes out so satisfying with her journey in becoming emotionally vulnerable in the sequel.
this is how you write a passionate female lead
this is how you attach romance subplots to woman love interests
this is exactly how you string along a secondary hero’s journey parallel to the main character’s!
@@finnvost9349 and he isn't even being vulnerable. He is just being 100% real.
@@HayeJosieGOD YES!!!! kind of late reply sorry for that but im SO tired of male writers pandering to that whole girlboss trend and making emotionally closed-off invenerable women, same for those psuedo-feminist writing that honestly just pushes gender roles further. it seems like writers who want to write “strong women” make them traditionally masculine, aka toxic.
emotional venerability should be a strong trait in general!!! building walls and being closed off isnt strong at all!!!
Miles going on the roof then going back down the steps is my favorite joke in the movie because of how realistic it is anyone could relate to that it's amazing
We've all done that lol 😂 Like approaching that hot girl in class 😂
The cutoff with the music as well😭
Something to note: that move at the end that neither Peter nor Gwen taught him was actually the move he saw his original Peter doing at the beginning. Except now he’s adapted and mastered it on his own.
I'd like to add an additional observation: The one major difference between the two scenes is that Ultimate Peter (Pine) wove through construction scaffolding, reminiscent skyscrapers that we're used to seeing classic Spider Man swing through. But Miles weaves around busses, light rails, and other traffic as we saw him doing even before he got powers. Peter whips himself around a relatively rigid and stationary world while Miles flows through a world in constant motion.
It's not just that move either. So much of what Miles does in the finale is things copied from or taught by each of his several mentors/role-models throughout the movie. The leg-sweep, the swing round the machine, even the shoulder touch. It's all him adopting and adapting the lessons he's been given and making it his own.
It is also seen in the way his "web-swings" through the city. His original Spider-Man and Saggy Peter were almost exclusively swinging with their webs, Miles incorporated a ton of parcour moves, and that was not just because he was not yet experienced with webbing, parcour was just his and his uncle's favourite mode of travel.
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Oh my God, I never noticed that!!
Theres a saying i like when it comes to comparing yourself to others: Don't compare your Behind the Scenes with someone's Highlights. I feel it says completely what people do not realize what they are doing when comparing.
I LOVE this saying. Stealing it. Thank you.
Ohhh that's a great saying. I'm definitely gonna remember that one.
Especially with the FOMO and insecurities that social media can cause, that's definitely Highlights vs BTS. Never heard this before, but I love it!
I needed to hear this.
This is beautiful!!!
The fun part about that "I didn't teach him that...and you definitely didn't" part is that he learned that move from Chris Pine's Spiderman. Love this movie, so many of those great details!
Oh, that's a cool detail!
AND the move that finally defeats Kingpin is one he learned from his Uncle Aaron: "Hey..."
(granted, that's also a unique ability that Miles unlocked for himself)
Aww wish I’d read this comment before I made mine haha 😂
It’s not Chris Pine lol! It’s Jake Johnson from New Girl 😊
He was taught, just not the way we imagine being taught. Anyone can be a teacher without even knowing it. When someone looks up to you, there's a chance they're also learning from what you do and how, especially if you're someone like spideyboi huh
The scene description from the script for the UPSIDE DOWN scene -
"Miles walks to the edge of the roof, the wind buffeting.. and LEAPS! The camera is UPSIDE DOWN. Miles isn't falling through the frame. He's RISING."
Gives me goosebumps every time.
i got chills just now oh man
The scene where Miles' dad is telling him he supports and loves him through the door makes me cry every time. The first time I saw this movie I had a really strained relationship with my dad and I knew that it was something that he would say and had been saying but I just hadn't heard it. I broke down crying in the theater during that interraction.
if any of you think this is a sad comment "the first time". past tense
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Hugs man. That scene makes me tear up too. I love how they use the fact that miles can't speak to make his father believe he's holding a grudge. And his father doesn't get angry or leash out, but he humbly explains himself and basically let's Miles go. It's such a good storytelling trick
I had pretty much the same thing happen to me!
Same man
I was a guy who didn't have a dad so it hits harder.. He truly loves him for who he is or whatever you could be. He believes in his son and that breaks my heart
I was one of the animators for Spiderverse, and it was simultaneously the proudest thing I've worked on and the hardest and most stressed out project. I'm so glad you guys enjoyed it, and even during internal viewings I've teared up a few times.
Happy to answer questions if there are any.
When Miles jumped off the building and we see the buildings in those distorted-lens angles, how much more difficult was it? Did it take longer to complete than other scenes? Or was the real time sink the noir spiderman's scenes?
@@EclecticFruit I'm sorry I don't have an accurate answer for you in regards to the distorted-lens. That camera animation and choice of lens used was done in pre-visualization/layout department and then it comes into the animation department (where I was) for Miles to be animated. So Miles' animator had very little say on how the camera was done. Though I'm sure pre-viz/layout spent a good deal of time getting the buildings in the right place.
Honestly, if I recall correctly, a lot of time were spent on Spider Noir's scenes, yes, but the scenes I remember spending the most time undergoing revision hell during reviews were Miles running across the taxi holding onto a passed out Peter B. Parker, Uncle Aaron's death scene, Peter and Miles swinging after they got the cpu, Miles' mom talking to Miles in his room while he pretended to be sleeping, among a very long list of other shots. It took the respective animators for those shots weeks - 1+ month to get those approved. 🥲We averaged less than a second a week of approved animation while animating.
@@jennykong2060 did you have to work on scenes that never got approved? Deleted content etc? If so, were there any in particular you're passionate about and wished they kept in the movie?
@@alexisgarcia5352 I had a sequence of shots I worked on that was cut 🥲, and a full scene that I didn't work on, but another team of animators did that was also cut. It was one of the sequences I teared up during internal viewing, and as much as I wish the director's kept it in, it wasn't needed for the movie. They made the right choices in the editorial room, and though the shots were great standalone, it would have taken away from the story telling. There were also a bunch that were storyboarded and never even made it to pre-via/layout, let alone all the way to animation.
On average, what was the number of shots assigned to each of the animators? Does it depend on how long they've been involved in the project?
If it hasent been mentioned yet i love the detail of Miles still not being 100% confident so he still sticks and breaks the glass before the leap of faith.
Absolutely. He's still scared and can't let go, but he throws himself off the building anyway. It's such a beautiful detail.
There’s a RUclips channel called Sideways and he does a great analysis about how the music illustrates this arc as well. Highly highly highly recommend.
@@oliveb5768i LOVE his breakdown of this movie!!
There is also the detail of how Miles gets to the ceiling in the climax, where Peter B and Gwen say they didn't teach him that, it's the exact method Miles' Peter got up there in the first act. Where Miles is learning, not just from the people who taught him, but the people he idolized too; that even though he is more confident and more of his own individual, he is still filling Spiderman's shoes and trying to fit his hero's shadow. It's a great acknowledgement of personal growth while admitting he is still a kid with some growing left to do. It's also a great moment of Miles picking his mentors and his lessons, learning what he needs to know and making it part of him.
It’s one of the (infinite) reasons why this is one of my favourite movies of all time!
Fun fact: The trick Miles does in climax isn't from Peter B or Gwen. He learned that from Peter A. I always took that as the movie showing that Miles is now the Spiderman of that universe.
That’s how I took it too when I saw it in theatres. I was like, “oh! He’s copying the first Peter we saw!”
@@LocalAceAJ oh wow, you caught that first watch? I didn't notice until it was pointed out to me haha, and now on subsequent viewings I love seeing it
@@8unnylover I think it was a scene that just stuck out to me when Peter A first did it, so I was able to recognize it within my first viewing that Miles copied.
@@LocalAceAJ thats awesome :D its also only now occurred to me that he's Peter A to contrast Peter B thats hilarious lol
Okay so this is a known fact huh, I just noticed it now while watching this after Gwen and peter B had that "did we teach him that" talk. I was like wait that move looked familiar
I kind of low key loved that Miles powers were based on his strengths and fears (imo). He wants to hide away from expectations and the eyes of the people around him, but he’s also got this electric personality with explosive creativity just dripping off him. He’s got so much potential, but he wants to hide from it (he doesn’t know how to use it or even that it’s there in some cases) and you see that in his super powers and how sporadic and uncontrollable they are for him. Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk, I hope you enjoyed my mini theory.
I find that this is something that most people don't talk about.. how powers are influenced by personalities and yet it shows up over and over in stories with powers.
it’s literally fight or flight, i love it
Its also applicable for like which powers he uses. When hes really scared and out of his element he uses the invisibilty stuff, with only a few bursts of electricity coming in. Until the end when hes fully knows what do with his creative energy and he is able to use it when he wants
I LOVE THIS
Honestly my favorite part of the scene that builds into the best shot in cinema history. Aunt May was sitting there, Aunt May knew the whole time he was going to make it that he was going to be there. She had absolute faith in Miles, a kid she had known for a few hours at most a kid who was in way worse shape than Peter was when he got his powers ((Peter is typically tail end of Highschool when he gets his powers, Miles get it just starting Highschool so he's actually one of the most powerful as it also affected his development and skyrockets the power he gets but that's not important here)) May just knew he'd make it, that look the tea in her hand. She had one of the things you need when you have those role models, absolute knowledge that you'd make it, that no matter what happened, how you fell or how you bent and broke, that you would make it.
She literally says "Took you long enough." lol she was just waiting, she knew he was coming. What I like about that moment is that Aunt May doesn't know Miles personally. She doesn't know what he's going to do.... but she knows Spiderman... and Spiderman was gonna show up.
@@KS-xk2so She is by far the best Aunt May ever. Loved every scene she was in
Same! ❤ When she says "Took you long enough". She means that she knew he was ready. Subtle but beautiful.
Fun fact: when Gwen says, "I didn't teach him that, and you definitely didn't," Miles just did the move that Peter Parker (Pine) did in their first scene together.
I KNOW RIGHT???! XD even when blondie peter didn't get to actually teach miles, miles still learned something from him, so he DID teach him something my heart
And I’d never noticed that til this video. Ugh I love this movie so much!
I love that little detail.
Peter Parker and Miles Morales’ relationship has become my favorite thing about Spider-Man.
Peter so often carries so many burdens on his own to the point that it borders on martyrdom. But when Miles came along, he simply couldn’t do things alone because someone else needed him.
On the other hand, Miles brings a new layer to the Spider-Man ethos. He’s youthful, extroverted, and comes from a completely different background and culture. He has a much stronger support system that he is more than willing to protect. And because of that, Miles is very invested in Peter’s well-being and I LOVE that.
Miles Morales is just the best. He’s my favorite character.
I totally love it, and also very important: THEY ALLOWED PETER TO GROW! Peter Parker started as a kid years ago, many of his fans are already dead, I am 30, let the character break out of being 18 and hooking up with every female character that comes near him... Seeing him as a father figure was magical.
Preach, Peter B and Miles' mentor/student relationship is the best part of the movie.
Another cool thing about Miles is that is one of the handful of spideys who is an artist, rather than a science person.
👏👏👏well said!
Your comment just made me realise something...
As a hero, Spidey can be hit and miss. With a lot of misses when not written very well.
But as a mentor, Peter always excels!
And through the exact same things that can easily make him annoying: his self doubt, sometimes reaching into self-pity, his occasional dislike of the responsibility he can not help but hoard, his "I'm so funny hahah" wit....
Not only will he feel the immediate responsibility for the wellbeing of his mentee, It all means that no matter what his pupil is telling himself, Pete has told himself much worse. Butt then talked himself out of it, so he knows what works. And that he knows that sometimes you need a soft hug, sometimes you need a thumbs up whole playing catch, other times you need your legs swept so hard your body inverts momentum and you fly up in the air.
"It's good to have role models. It's good to have people you look up to. But you can't just ape someone's style or the way do things because at best you'll always be a cheap imitation or passable imitation...what you have to contribute to the world is what YOU bring to it."
What a great message for everyone, young and old! We usually give this kind of message to teens as they're still figuring out who they are, but even as adults we continue to try to become those we look up to instead of learning from them. Thanks, Cinema Therapy!
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Exactly! Is it smart to look at what the greats have done before you? Of course. Draw inspiration and don’t reinvent the wheel. But making a craft or skill your own in the end is key.
that's why I like the movie miles so much better honestly.
comic book miles always felt like a cheap copy in some ways.
this became especially apparent, when they decided to put both peter and miles spiderman into the same universe, both alive and both being spider-man. made very little sense to me honestly.
if they want them to share a world, then miles needs to rebrand.
peter will always be prime spider-man.
they need to give miles his own spider-title, if they want them to co-exist in the same universe.
Cinema Therapy actually teaches valuable lessons. ❤
The chromatic aborrition they used also replicates how sometimes old comics were printed a bit off, so small mistakes would make the different colors print at an offset from the lineart.
Ah, damn it. That scene where Miles is tied up and his Dad is talking to him through the door just brought me to tears. Wanting so hard to connect with his son, just wanting his son to know he loves him, and realizing he shouldn't push Miles to say it back
Miles is the insecure everyperson here. He's in way over his head and has only the most vague idea of his purpose. But he rises to the occasion and not only decides to the do right thing, he explodes into the role. He has no idea what to do at first, but his first thought is to do GOOD. It's one reason why I love this movie. Miles knows what heroes are. Spiderman, his dad, the dedicated cop, his mom the medical professional. Miles knows what good IS, he just needs to figure out what good he can do.
Great take :)
@@kristynab.6539 thanks!
One of my favorite differences between Peter and Miles is their motivation for becoming a hero. Peter never chose or wanted to be a hero. Peter wanted to make money wrestling and become famous, he was so full of himself that his selfishness caused Uncle Ben's death. He became Spider-Man out of guilt, a sense of obligation, and it showed. He doesn't embrace it, he constantly complains about how much Spider-Man is ruining his life. It took years of character development to finally take him to a point where he actually embraces being a hero, not out of guilt but because he wants to do good.
Miles is the complete opposite of that, he ENJOYS being Spider-Man, he LOVES being Spider-Man and he sees it as a privilege and an honor. While it doesn't come without its burdens, he embraced his responsibility and saved people without question because that's what Spider-Man would do. What took Peter years of self-reflection and trauma to accept, Miles accepted almost instantly. Miles will one day become a better Spider-Man than Peter ever could, and nobody will be more proud of that than Peter himself.
I firmly believe that Miles has the potential to become the next Nightwing. In the next 10 years, we will see more Miles fans than Peter fans within the comicbook space, and maybe even beyond, as Miles is getting the adaptation opportunities Nightwing could only dream of having (his own game and movie for example).
@@senspideyfan Miles in the comic has little in resemblance to the miles depicted in this film, but that is beside the point.
We have no idea of what Miles' Spiderman's origin story is. We know the Remi film's origin story and many comic version story, but not this Spiderman's story. Which is just fine, we just need to acknowledge we know nothing about this Spiderman other than he was well-liked and died.
I think a key thing in this film's Spiderman is that this is a kind-of-sorta passing of the torch, but it is difficult to tell. We have another Spiderman, and whatever his origin story is, who acknowledges and mentors Miles. Miles is a good kid, but also stands on the shoulders of the previous Spiderman, using him as a role-model. A role model Peter didn't have. Peter Parker literally defines what it is to be Spiderman to Miles, as he is that world's first.
If we accept that both original Spiderman has the same Uncle Ben dies story( we have couple reason to believe they share the same story), then that changes a few things, I think. Does that excuse Peter's selfishness? No, and it costs Peter as you point out - but these are two different characters with different temperaments, backstories, and family relations. I think the enjoyment of the two stories comes down to which you enjoy more:
Peter: A person who isn't inherently virtuous, but learns to be better through effort and errors.
Miles: A person who is inherently virtuous and has a role model in the previous incarnation of Spiderman to further help guide him.
There is nothing wrong with either of these story lines, but to say that one is "Better" than the other seems a point of subjection based on the execution of each story.
We also don't have a great idea of how Miles views being Spiderman in 'Into the Spiderverse" as he's been Spiderman for a couple days. It has impacted his life, but he hasn't had a chance on screen to really internalize it. We'll get to know him more in the second one, to which I look forward to.
I cried during the leap of faith scene it was just the perfect culmination of everything he's experienced up until that point
Spider-Verse was such an incredible take on a Spiderman film. All the other films so far have hammered on "With Great Power comes Great Responsibility." This one touched on it, but it had a different nuance. Each of the Spider-Beings in the film were the first/original in their universe to have been bitten. They all had to come to an understanding of their powers on their own, and they came to shoulder the great responsibility naturally over time.
Miles was not the first. He had a predecessor. So it makes sense that his motivation is different too - he knows he has a great responsibility. He's seen it. It's such a great responsibility, it probably felt crushing to think about. An extremely experienced and seemingly invincible Spider-Man was all he'd ever known, and he was suddenly asked to step into his shoes after he was finally defeated. It makes sense that he would feel like a child amongst adults sometimes, and feel like he is not being treated as an equal. It makes sense that overcoming his own Great Expectations is his personal battle, not growing into his Great Responsibility.
It's actually with great power OUGHT to come great responsibility. That one word makes all the difference, which I do think the spiderman franchise embraces, because there is more of a choice in it. If it is "ought" than one can easily choose to deny either power or responsibility or even both. But the thing about all the Spideys is that they choose to take on both the power and responsibilty, which is why their story works as an inspiration, but specifically Miles too due to what you have stated about his circumstances.
Perfect perfect analysis, especially yhrbe great expectations part you hit that one right on the nail
I really like how the writers switched the moral around, and have it be “with great responsibility comes great power”. When Miles given the responsibility to choose, rather than being forced into a place people want him to be, it makes him feel strong.
@@mackielunkey2205 This is why I kinda liked how they "betrayed" Miles by tying him to the chair. They weren't looking down on Miles, they were giving him an out. He had done enough, there was no need to be put his life in danger. Being Spider-Man should be choice, not an obligation just because you have Spider powers.
@@wesleywallace4426 Miles was also very rattled by his uncle’s death, and he wasn’t in a good state of mind to make the decision. And in the first Raimi movie, we’ve seen the consequences when the Spider-People choose to act rashly during this time.
"That's all it is Miles. A leap of faith."
That single line has become one of the most iconic lines in Spider-Man history. And for good reason. It completely encompasses what it is to not only be Spider-Man, but to be a hero.
edit- after seeing Across the Spider-Verse where "that's all it is Miles. A leap of faith." used to define miles, I now wholeheartedly believe "nah, Imma do my own thing" is what will define him going forward. Whereas the previous line still holds true to some extent, now Miles has come into his own as a Spiderperson, and is going to do things his way. Not what others say he should do.
DAMN RIGHT
Agreed, it's such an iconic line!
That line has nothing to do with miles’ character though. He’s never shown to struggle with taking risks
@@PristineWhens ah there's the downer right on time
@@TheRibottoStudios yup, here I am. Ready to ruin everyone’s day by stating one harmless opinion. My job’s done. Goodbye.
The way that Miles webswings is unique to him. Peter B.’s is more relaxed because he has been webswinging for so long. People are saying that he swings more like Chris Pines’ spidey, but I think he is more like his uncle. He didn’t webswing a lot, he mostly did a lot of parkour around the buildings.
@@thejaded I think you meant unorthodox rather than unethical, I don’t think Mike’s style is morally wrong 💀
Miles is also more familiar with running than the other spider people, so he tries to maximise running instead of web swinging. You see it especially in across the spiderverse when he's escaping the lobby. He knows he's not as good at web slinging so he avoids it and instead runs/climbs wherever possible.
Peter Porker pulling out that hammer is hilarious the same way all of us react when people diss animation
I think it got said in one of the interviews for the movie that they chose to flip the shot of him falling to make it show how he was rising up and becoming his own spiderman instead of just imitating the others.
I believe it even says in the script: “He’s not falling, he’s rising.”
CHILLS!
The scene of Miles dragging the depressed version of Peter across town while being chased as the "kid in a costume dragging a dead guy" was the hardest I've laughed at a movie in a LONG time.
Lol not even just “dead guy” but rather “a homeless corpse”
When I re-watched that scene and caught that line, I had to pause the video I was laughing so hard. That one got me good. 🤣
I have never moved so fast to watch a cinema therapy! I LOVE Into the spiderverse!!
ME TOOOOOO
It’s great but it loses its focus towards the end. Like-everything is suddenly rushed and everyone is mashed together?
Agreed, and so soon after Christmas, too! Consider me hooked!
Same bro
Samee lol
"squeaks of nope"
And Sophie is definitely the best character on this show. Need more.
My first thought as an animator- if I worked with a character like Noir (cel shaded in monochrome) the hardest thing about it would be making all of his movements readable. They hit the nail on the head by making all of his poses have a distinct silhouette that can convey whatever parts of him are too dark to see. 16:10 When he's sitting, he's by a bright window that draws his head perfectly. When he punches 16:13 his arm is fully crossing over his body to break through his silhouette. If it didn't his hand would pretty much be an unreadable black shape inside of his body silhouette. That's just a neat little detail I notice and I really respect the added thought that goes into portraying his physique.
One thing that people never talk about regarding the leap of faith scene is that the building Miles jumps from is One World Trade Center (or his universe’s version of it). Miles went from being too scared to jump from a kinda tall building, to jumping from the tallest skyscraper in the Western Hemisphere. It really adds to the moment although no one brings it up.
So in that universe, they still have the world trade center.... I think that's a strong telling.
I work with elementary kids in a city that doesn’t do much to help anybody who isn’t well-off and white. Any time I ask who their favorite superhero is, it’s ALWAYS Spider-Man. When I ask which Spider-Man, it’s ALWAYS Miles. Representation matters. ❤
Yay miles fans
Yup. I work in a primary in a city in the UK. This film really hit some of the kids hard, one especially really needed it and he just seemed to grow so much on seeing it. Of course he dressed up as Miles on our fancy dress day.
@@parmavee it's wonderful to hear about these characters having real life impacts
miles is rad tho
I work with Youth Athletics away from every large city on Earth, and my players liked Miles better, too. Probably because they could relate more to Miles having two parents.
20:00 A note about the music in this scene, at the climax they layered the movie's main theme (which may be the Spiderman theme) over "What's Up Danger", and it creates a such a triumphant and emotional score. I just. I just love that creativity.
I highly recommend Sideways’ analysis of that very thing. He is a RUclips channel.
@@nightfall3605 I think he was the one that made me notice it!
@@nightfall3605 love sideways
yeah it also made What's Up Danger itself kind of hollow in some sense, because it doesn't have that strong throughline like in the movie
@@warrustI agree. I wish they officially released the cinematic version. The fan edits come pretty close
22:08 One other thing about this entire sequence is that it not only shows Miles lingering nervousness (the glass breaks when he pushes off of it meaning he didn't fully 'unstick') but he doesn't straight up swing everywhere like the original Spider-Man or any of the others for that matter. Over the course of his entire traversal from the first building to the overlook, he only shoots five webs. He uses it to get altitude and speed, but a large portion of his motion is running, jumping, and parkour. After all, he 'runs better than he swings'.
And his parkours takes clear notes from Prowler's own parkour too.
I almost cried in theaters when Aaron admit his mistakes to Miles, he didn't want to dissappoint...
I had to rewatch the movie again before eatching this video. It's the 3rd or 4th rewatch
Can we also appreciate how this movie stressed the importance of becoming a mentor? Even when you are not perfect? Or going through something rough? Do it. Find something your passionate in and do it. You won't regret it. It will be one of the best leaps of faith you ever make.
I really appreciate mentors who are suffering and going through their own pain, but out of some sort of goodness, put that aside for the sake of someone else who could use help or guidance.
I volunteer with an organization that mentors teens interested in aviation, and when I tell you that having a parent tell me how big of a difference I've made for their kid is a bigger prize for me than any other award I've gotten from school or work or elsewhere.
And yeah, I am not perfect. Not even close to kind of. But it turns out I don't need to be to help others figure stuff out, especially when working as part of a team where we all have different strengths.
Love that from you ❤
@@Raguleaderthanks for your service 🫡
What really gets me is the shot were we see the glass tear away as Miles makes the leap. Miles sticks to things when he’s terrified, and he can’t unstick until he relaxes. He is completely and totally terrified when he leaps, but he finds the mental and physical strength to tear himself away from the glass. This time, he chooses to leap despite the fear, he doesn’t fall by accident like the first time.
This movie hit me so hard in high school. I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life and I was under immense pressure from my parents to go into a super tough field. It really helped me a lot
As millennial this is all of what I wanted as a teenager & I'm so glad this movie could be part of *your* childhood 😭😭😭
What die you decide to do??🥰
So did you decide to go into that field or did you find something else?
I followed what my parents did, but in the last month I completely changed directions lol. I’m an English major now
My favorite part of "the greatest shot in cinema history" is the actual scene notes from the script.
"He isnt falling. Hes rising." It gives me CHILLS and they knew EXACTLY how hard they wanted it to go.
Fun thing that has probably already been said in the comments: in the script for the “What’s Up Danger” scene, it says “Miles isn’t falling through the frame, he’s rising” and that single line is so powerful and it just adds to the amazing scene
Miles getting to the ceiling the exact same way OG Peter Parker did shows he has finally become his own Spider-Man. Even back in the very beginning, he was learning from the greatest and taking his teachings to heart.
Another important note about the "What's Up Danger" / "falling up" scene: it's established earlier in the film that Miles unintentionally sticks to things when he's scared or anxious, because he needs to relax to unstick. In that scene, when he jumps, the glass shatters under his fingers, because he's still stuck to them. He's still scared and anxious, not at all sure if he can do it, but he does it anyway... and he rises.
I love the subtle symbolism behind each of Miles' leaps of faith. The first time he tries, his shoes are untied, representing that he hasn't yet matured into his Superhero role. They're tied during his next attempt, showing his newfound responsibility.
It’s not that deep
@Pristine Whens! dude why you everyone's business? Have nothing else to do?
@@PristineWhens No it is that deep, actually. That was definitely a choice made by the filmmakers intentionally.
That’s kind of how filmmaking works.
@@tariqthomas9090 it might be. Who knows.
lmao dude, how is it that you have nothing better to do than search through all of these comments trying to find things to complain about? i've seen you three times already, give it a break 😂
The “Ben day dots” you guys were referring to are also known as half-tone! They’re very popular for shading and lighting in black & white works! Good video btw guys! I love your stuff!
Ben Day dots are clearly what the animation team are trying to reference, since most comic books of that era used flat blacks for their line art rather than halftones (although of course, it's a big industry, there are always exceptions, but screen printing was a far too lengthy and expensive process for most comics).
They wound up using different sizes of dots to make the effect read more efficiently, so it's not TRUE Ben Day, but like... c'mon, we know that's what they are trying to evoke, and it's not screen printing. I mean, if you're using proper ink saturation while screen printing, you don't even see the dots in a final screen print piece, you only see the dots on the screen! ;) And don't get me started on manga halftones, they don't even all use circular dots!
@@betterlatethannever4536 Your username is incredibly fitting for any sort of “late” replies to comments
Thank you for the informative reply! ^^
@@betterlatethannever4536 BUT BUT! The early comics didn't always use the proper ink saturation or lines per inch due to how cheap they were running everything. Hence, Lichtenstein making his pop derivative works that didn't properly credit the source artists.
(Hell, even more current ones. Dark Horse was running the interiors of their Usagi Yojimbo books at... 120 lines per inch if I'm remembering correctly, and the cover was maybe 150? Been over a decade since we switched to direct to plate, so I don't remember all the stuff from imaging the films. Other than maintaining the film imager sucked, cleaning everything when the density dipped was awful, and I'm glad I don't have to deal with gallons of developer chemicals anymore.
I could probably check if I can find the line-screen measuring tool we used to have and if any of the film hasn't been recycled yet.
Manga halftones that are not camera shot or created in a vector program are the Devil's dandruff and I hate them.)
Now you guys have GOT to do Across the Spiderverse. It really shows Miles' journey into maturing as a teenager and as Spider-Man and what it means to be a hero and to write your own story/destiny. There's a lot of other characters that you should analyze as well like Gwen Stacy, Miguel O'Hara, and Miles' parents. Please do, it really truly is a beautiful movie.
Yes!! And don’t forget about the INCREDIBLE character of Hobie Brown!
I’m 29 and I still struggle with comparing myself to other people. When I saw this movie originally, I’m not gonna lie, I completely ignored the messaging. I was so enthralled with the story that the deeper message flew over my head completely. Watching this cinematherapy recap is something I had no idea I needed. This is probably my new favorite video you guys have done because of how much it speaks to me personally.
Eee, 29 is a hard age. It's a mile marker which feels so heavy. You just have to beat your last score. ❤
I'm 18 here, watched this in 2018 opening day at 13-14. I get you, I love you and strive for happiness ❤❤❤
Beyond the comic aesthetic, I also love the way this movie respects and imitates the style of graffiti, especially since graffiti is considered a "low" art form. And the texture actually isn't Ben Day dots, it's CMYK halftones! Ben Days are all uniform in size (think Andy Warhol), whereas halftones gradiate (I'm citing CinemaWins on this one).
It only just hit me that Miles does the shoulder touch to Kingpin BECAUSE it was Aaron's move. I cant be crying at work like this yall!
This movie makes me sob like a baby. It really is such an inspiring film to trust yourself and your abilities, something I’ve struggled with for so long
Miles is such a well written character that has earned his place in our hearts. I do hope we see more of this version of Dr. Octopus, I was surprised when she revealed herself.
I find it amazing that Uncle Aaron is really only on screen for like 20 minutes but his death is so heartbreaking
One of the things that I love about the "We taught him that, right?" "I didn't teach him that and you definitely didn't" scene is that the moves he does there are actually very reminiscent of the first thing he saw HIS Peter Parker Spiderman do, with hitching a ride on the collider and then swinging around with its rotation to reach the ceiling, only he's also doing it while dodging pieces of other universes.
So it's like his first spider mentor did actually get to pass on one little thing, and he's finally able to take it and use it in his own way.
my heart 😭❤🩹
I think my favorite part was when his father tells him about the spark he see's in Miles. I love when he says "I love you, you don't have to say it back" it just adds so much beauty and depth to that scene. I remember tearing up a bit with that scene
I really want these guys to do a Treasure Planet episode. There's so much to talk about both in the therapy side with losing a father at an early age and how it effects people to the amazing deep canvas technology that made cgi and hand drawn animation flow to perfectly together.
I second this ❤
I third this!! I love Jim’s story and the song “im still here” as someone who has an emotionally neglectful and distant father with traditional values I’ll never live up to
I love the moments in commentaries when a scene is so gripping none of the hosts talk through it. I myself just wanted to put this on the background and sat through the whole thing. Spider-verse IS THAT FILM
That scene between Miles and his dad gets me every time. Because it's reassurance and encouragement I've longed for my whole life and as a parent now it's something I make sure my kid has every day. Love this movie so much.
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Well, this isn't quite Miles doing things his way, it's him stepping into blonde-Peter's shoes. It's the same maneuver that impressed him early in the movie, which you can see at 8:05.
omg I've never noticed that before !!! makes this movie even better there's so much attention to detail !! :D
I read somewhere that blond Peter did that move against a black/white background, which are the main colors of Miles suit.
And later, Miles does the same move against a Red and Blue background, the colors of his fallen mentor.
@@ChasehaWing Just went back and watched the two clips... this checks out. Cool detail!
It is very close and it shows he did learn it from him. I would argue that it's not exact simply because he adds his own flare to it. 😁
@@GrizzneyGames I really like that it's close but not the exact same. Even the final landing pose is different. But you can tell where Miles learned it from but Miles made it his own.
When this movie came out I watched it twice in theaters in the same day. The art is *chef's kiss* and the story and character growth is so beautiful!!!😍 As a artist how the movie down was very ground breaking. No one thought about doing it so beautifully. every time his father talks to him and he comes into his own is beautiful. I love the part where he makes the leap of faith and rises while he falls.
I never watch the same movie more than once, at least not until years later when I've forgotten most of it. But for Spider-Verse, I saw it in theaters three times, with three different groups of people, within the first week of release. It is my favorite movie ever, only recently tied up with Everything Everywhere All At Once.
Something else I love in the moment where he trips in the building and breaks the goober is how it all happened. He chose to go to the smaller building because he was scared, he played it safe which stopped it from being a leap of faith. He inherently didn’t trust in his own abilities and let his fear take over.
And the thing that makes him fall is his untied shoes, something he said was a choice. The biggest mistake he made in that jump was that he was trying to be Peter’s Spider-man but was still just Miles. Those untied shoes represented who Miles was before the bite and he was still being that in the moment. From that point onward, he keeps his shoes tied because he learned. While he does make his own thing with the Spider-man mantle, he still took in what worked and what didn’t, as well as learning key points from the others that he applies in his own ways
Can't wait to see what you guys think of the sequel. It spoke to me psychologically with that feeling of being the odd one out, the anomaly, the mistake. I just wish it had a clear resolution to that feeling.
Gonna be a long wait for Beyond the Spiderverse for sure
25:11 That stunt Miles did at the collider was the move Peter used at the beginning of the movie.
I love this movie so much and it means a lot to me. I know a lot of people really relate to Peter Parker but for me I relate more with Miles because of the whole "living up to the expectations of others"
This whole movie is so beautiful and the way is animated is fantastic. Miles being animated in 12 frames changes throw out the movie, at the end he is in full 24 frames because his journey finally gets him to that point of "I am myself"
The first time I watched this movie I cried like a baby and I still do because it teached me so much.
The dad ‘s speech gets me every time!! 😭😭😭 many of us have similar issues with our parents, but very few get to hear a speech like that from them.
It's such a beautiful speech. He shows that he cares but he is willing to respect his boundaries.. I've always wanted somebody to do that.. ❤
Most of us will never get that speech
8:18 My favorite quote is "Don't compare your beginning with someone else's middle." No idea who said it but I try to remember this, along with someone else said "You overestimate what you can get done in a day, but underestimate what you'll get done in a year." Gezz.... Now I want to rewatch this
Thanks for covering this masterpiece. Saw a ten year old kid sing Sunflower at karaoke this week. Cheered like it was Argentina playing football. His little grin when he was done and walked back to his parents was everything. Films really do help form and inspire.
Into the spider-verse and iron giant are my favorite movies ever. They both inspired me in different ways and are one of the movies that always holds my excitement. They’re the only movies i refused to get rid of, when i had to sell a lot of my movies. They just mean a lot to me
10:23
Whoever is doing the captions is amazing. Firstly for giving us all captions, and secondly for this: [Squeaks of nope]
I just love the glass breaking as Miles makes his leap of faith, showing that even then he wasn't quite ready to let go - he becomes ready in the act of taking the leap.
I'd also like to add, Miles would only get his powers to work when he was afraid. So the glass shattering as he launches himself is so intense to me because he's making that attempt let go of that fear and take that leap of faith. GOD I LOVE THIS MOVIE!!!
I cry everytime I see Miles' dad come talk to him through the door. It's raw, genuine, and humbled. It hurts.
That is good. Miles was able to become his own Spider-Man. He learn from his mistakes and have responsibilities while Kingpin didn't. Kingpin never learn from his mistakes and refuse to take responsibilities and loss everything at the end.
"Anyone can wear the mask. *You* can wear the mask". It's one of the through-lines in the film. And it always makes me tear up. Because it's true. All it takes is making the choice. Maybe you can't cling to buildings and swing on a web. Maybe you can't do the acrobatic stuff. But if you can stretch your idea of what a hero is and what a hero does, then you can be one, too.
This Stan Lee cameo always hits me the hardest.
“It always fits… eventually.” Has become one of my life’s mottos. And also “No returns or refunds. Ever!”
Whoever is in charge of the subtitles is amazing. When talking about the shot that's getting all amped up and then ends with him going back down the stairs, on the stairs the subtitles read "Squeaks of nope". I was dying 😂😂
I have seen it too and loved the line immediately :D
23:46 way I see it, is that this shot hits hard because not only did he take his literal leap of faith (note how he broke the glass as he was not relaxed like Peter B Parker told him to be, therefore he wasn't ready for the leap) and is therefore falling, but he in falling he is rising to meet his destiny of being the next Spider-Man.
I have to say that the whole scene, "What's Up Danger" is so powerful. It is the best scene ever in my opinion, compared to the climax of a lot of movies nowadays. The hype song, the visuals, the adrenaline rush the viewer gets, it's all top-notch art!
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I agree that it is the best scene ever put to film. The only thing that comes close is the "I need a hero" scene in Shrek 2
It never fails to pump me up. Run to that song 😂😂
My favorite little detail on that amazing shot is the glass breaking, it's super dramatic, and shows that he wasn't just over his fear, he was scared and couldn't unstick from the window so he just broke it off as he took his leap, so amazing
Whenever I see the falling up shot it reminds me of how the script describes it as something like 'Miles isn't falling. He's rising.' I love this film so much
when miles shows up to the final battle, sneaks the goober away from peter and get's going to destroy the machine, he actually does the same one hand hang-elevating move on the machine's rotating part, that the other peter parker did at the beginning of the film!
When Miles goes up to the reactor to send everyone home, the whole "Did we teach him that?" Moment. Miles goes up the same way Peter A does at the start of the movie. Miles learns from everyone and adds his own twist at the end!
I struggle when it comes to comparing myself to others. I’m 28, still living at one of my parents house with a degree that I keep saying is useless, all while friends my age have a family of their own, a steady job, and probably a decent house at this point.
I feel like I know what I wanna do, but the success rate is low and I feel like I’m constantly being reminded of that by the parent that I’m living with. It’s a bit of a struggle, but I feel like I’m about to get into a position where I have a stable job and should be able to have the time that I can explore what it is I want to do.
You have no idea how much I relate to this. Thank you.
Exactly the same over here hi
Bro I am in this situation right now. I want to be Graphic Designer because it is closest to being an illustrator or photographer. I did a lot of research of pros and cons, the success rate, salary, etc. And found that even in my state, there are a lot of jobs out there. However, before I even could my parents put a lot of pressure on me and being immigrants they believed education=success and prestige. They expect doctor, lawyer, etc.
And while I was interested in "real" job like forensic scientist. My passion for arts is too grand.
I did choose a major in legal studies and immediately in first semester found it was not for me. I got the grades, it was interesting, yeah I could do it. But it wasn't for me.
Eventually I hard a breakdown after months and maybe even years of depression and anxiety did they finally see the pressure. Part of me is glad they finally listened. But the other part of me is pissed that it had to take a mental breakdown for them to listen.
I am thinking about switching to graphic arts and design at my community college next year. Achieve an associates. Though I am afraid because of the expectation and pressure. Even though logically I know there are a lot of jobs out there for this career. And it can be for a company 9-5 or a freelance route. I am afraid that if I fail it would be like "I told you so" from my parents.
But if it is a mistake, I want to make the mistake
Dude I related so hard to this. It’s nice to know lots of others are in a similar situation. We got this
I'm 35 and I didn't really feel like I knew what I was doing til well into my 30s. I know it sucks right now, but you aren't junk for having a hard time. You're working through it, and that's what we all do. It sounds like you're about to find your way, good luck
I saw somewhere that Peter B Parker was not the father figure that Miles needed, but Miles was the son figure that Peter B Parker needed. Not something you see too often in films and was a great refresher
(This film is literally the reason I’m pursuing becoming a children’s media writer, I love it so much and I could say SOOOOO much about this film)
19:11 His father crossing the middle of the screen to lean in to his son's "space" was such a great visual of the humility and vulnerability that the dad has with Miles there. Just SUCH a beautiful visual.
I don't think this movie's soundtrack gets enough credit for being as good as it is. "What's up Danger" and "Star a Riot" and "Sunflower" all feel ICONIC in the moment.
It’s always cool that Miles is in 15 FPS where everyone else is 30.
Until he becomes Spider-Man truly, does he go to 30 FPS
It's 12 and 24 but your point still stands
Mind blown!
@@joonamato yeah, I remember things in gamer not animation lmao
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I want to emphasize an element of the story and character of Miles that felt so different and positive:
he explicitly flourishes when he feels loved and/or supported and confident in himself, not purely in life or death scenarios that put him under intense stress.
That scene where the other spider people are pressuring him to use his powers and he can’t contrasted with his transformation of confidence after his father speaks to him through the door - never seen that before in film! It was so great to see representation of a person not being hurt into achieving power.
Also queer found family themes in “I thought I was the only one” etc we love to see it
25:59 Thing I love here: Sometimes we forget our own lessons, and need someone to say the thing we know back to us so we remember. I can't even count how many times I've told people it's okay to rely on others and ask for help, and then turned around and tried to solve my own problems all by myself.
When talking to Peter B. Parker before sending him into his universe, I saw Miles’ face wavering considering to repeat his advice, but I feel like that actually adds to the confidence
The thing I love most about Lloyd and Miller is that they are masters at taking established properties and making them feel universal
Like with Spider man even if your not a fan of the franchise you can watch this film and it feels like you've been a fan for years
The lego movie is another great example, although most people know about lego and have most likely played with it, its easy for a story about it to feel alien. Not all of us had the same experiences and not all of us played the same way with lego.
However Lloyd and Miller use the movie to embrace peoples different play styles and tell a story that brings together the feeling we all shared while playing with those toys even if we didn't play the same way.
Its honestly genius
We can only wonder what they were doing with Solo before they were fired.
lord* not lloyd
@@leemonademagic oh whoops this whole time i thought it was lloyd, i kept mishearing it, lol
Honestly they know their research on what they try to adapt very well, probably the reason why Clone High seems so clever a ton, too.
I love the distinct ways that every Spider-Man moves. Peter B moves like we'd expect of Spider-Man in a fight, but he uses his powers in super mundane ways, like when he uses his webs to ring the doorbell or saunters down the side of a building. Gwen is like a ballerina, she even has ballet shoes in her suit, and she has these really cool flourishes and grace in her movement. Noir relies mostly on hand-to-hand fisticuffs instead of his powers and Ham obviously uses cartoon slapstick liberally. And when Miles finally comes into his own, his style is entirely unique to all of them, even Blonde Peter: it's more like parkour. He wall runs and hops on buses and relies less on purely swinging and more on getting from one surface to the other. He hasn't had a lot of practice swinging with his webs, but he's had practice with finding ways to parkour over walls and fences in the city (as seen when Aaron shows him a new spot to tag), so he relies on that and uses his new powers to supplement it. I find that so incredibly cool.
Little surprised they didn't mention the glass scene right before The Greatest Scene in Cinema™️ cause it shows one thing
He wasn't ready, not at all, he was nervous and scared, but he still took the leap. It's true bravery. Being brave isn't the lack of fear, it's acting despite it.
(Sorry I just love this movie sm and is my favorite, I've studied so many times)
Someone important to me said “growth includes failure “ and that has had such an effect on my life.
One thing I'd like to add, at 25:10 the moves Miles performed were actually how Pine's Spider-Man climbed the collider when they first met. He's taking parts of all of his mentors then combining them into his own style, like how you mix colours with painting, or remixing music
Accurate
The What's Up Danger sequence has to be one of the most powerful moments in cinema EVER. Between the characters, the visuals, and the music it STILL brings me to tears.
Miles leap of faith and him rising instead of falling is beautiful. He is such a good example of facing your fears and overcoming them.
Miles is such a relatable and inspiring character. One quote from the game that could fit well into this move: "Whenever you talk about SpiderMan, you always mean the other one... You're SpiderMan!"
One of the reasons that the "leap of faith" scene is the "greatest shot in cinema history" is because the visual imagery of Miles "rising" in the scene was conceptualized before they even had a script. In other words, the whole script/movie was built around that scene (as it says in the script, which Sony graciously has made available online to fans):
Peter B (V.O.): You won't. That's all it is, Miles...a leap of faith.
Miles walks to the edge of the roof, the wind buffetting, and *LEAPS!* The camera is UPSIDE DOWN. Miles isn't falling through the frame. He's RISING.
(interesting note: in screenwriting, words in upper-case CAPS are often camera shots or actor directions from the writer, like CLOSE-UP or looks LEFT; in this particular section, it's that and . . .something else).
Another note: the filmmakers confirm that Miles' fingers stick to things at the beginning of the movie when he is scared or nervous. The glass shatters because his fingers are sticking to it because he's still nervous and scared--but he leaps anyway.
13:40 devastating they were all outside waiting for him to succeed.
As somebody who constantly doubts himself and undervalues himself, as someone who is getting into streaming and wondering if I'll ever be someone worth watching, the scene of Miles very intentionally rising through the frame always makes me tear up.