Could you look at Maverick and Rooster’s relationship in Top Gun Maverick? One of the most heartwarming relationships I’ve seen on film in such a long time!
The crying when he’s holding Gwen felt so real because it was ugly, it was breathy, everything that seems unattractive but so raw and heart wrenching because everyone has cried like that at least once. Just brutal
I remember seeing that Andrew was imagining Emma had actually died, so that's why it's so real, in that scene he is literally crying over his girlfriend's 'death'
Reminds me of Andrew crying in the film 'Never Let Me Go'. There's a super-intense ragey-anguishy-screamy-crying moment he has that rips me to shreds EVERY. DAMN. TIME.
It also just makes it hard to watch in a strangely beautiful way, of someone pretending to experience more pain than I ever have, and doing such a good job of it that it seems genuine.
Andrew actually said the “Are you okay?” Line was very important because in that moment all Peter could see was Gwen’s body he’s holding, and he needs MJ to tell him did it to make sure he actually did it.
I also think what made the MJ and Garfield Spidey scene so special was that she asks him if HE'S okay afterward, because even in the midst of her own brush with death, she didn't forget that he lost the woman he loved just as much as her Peter loves her, and he NEEDED someone to ask him that. No one ever asked him if he was okay back in his world because who could? Who would know? He had to live with that in his head for years.
I think that it was just so clear that he got extremely emotional saving her and making sure she was okay, so much so that she couldn't help but make sure he was going to be alright. They said it numerous times throughout this episode - Andrew Garfield is an absolute master of facial expression. I am well aware that he's acting in that scene and I still want to just run up and give him a hug. Her reasoning for asking aside, I absolutely agree with the rest of it. He needed someone to ask that, and he needed it to be someone he saved, because otherwise he wouldn't be able to stay strong. MJ just happened to be the perfect person for it, because he can't help but see Gwen in her, and the guys were right when they said he desperately wanted to ask Gwen if she was okay. Such a bittersweet moment, but one that I think gives AG's Peter a lot of closure.
That's a good point. I remember the stuff that Jonno and Alan said before about vulnerability and the ways in which it can help us overcome difficulties - but if you're the hero who's always wearing a mask, if you've got no-one to open up to and it's literally your JOB to be strong *all the time,* who're you going to be vulnerable to? That, in turn, reminds me of the TEDTalk Brene Brown gave on vulnerability (I think the second one?) in which she talks about a father with only daughters: all the daughters take after the mum in expecting him to be this invulnerable Superman figure, that they would rather have him fall on his sword than ever show a single moment of weakness. So, you know. Ain't just superheroes who have to deal with that.
@@Stolanis I also think it's important to know where your space is to be vulnerable and where you need to put on the cape and be a hero. Usually, when other people need to be put first, we don the cape. However, when it's our time to be put first, we need to be ready to take off the mask and cape and be vulnerable. In that scene, in particular, AG's Peter needed to put others first, and couldn't be super vulnerable. Just the look on his face before he nods. "I'm okay for now, let's keep going." By shelving his own emotions and putting MJ first in that moment, he proved that he can overcome his own grief and despair, even if he feels like he wallows in it when he's alone. It's encouraging, in a sense, that even when he's so grief-stricken, he can still motivate himself to move.
I’m so glad Andrew Garfield is finally getting the limelight he deserves for his Spider-Man films. His acting and love for the web-slinger was the reason I loved his Spider-Man the most and I still stand by it. Edit: Oh my God, over 1.5k likes! Thank you, all! I appreciate the likes! And I also want to say that I love the conversations in the replies! Everyone is staying kind but also putting their points forward! This is awesome! Stay kind, everyone!
I don't think they were bad movies though. Not good either but very enjoyable and I think they were treated quite unfairly at the time of their release. Now that No Way Home exists and Amazing Spider Man serie is considered part of the MCU multiverse I hope Andrew gets another shot at being a Spider man but this time with a good script.
I almost ugly cried in the theater at Andrew asking Zendaya, "Are you okay?" Andrew pulled his soul out for that line, and, as a fan, I couldn't be more grateful to him. The No Way Home film gave fans what they wanted, but I think it gave Andrew what he *needed*: closure on his initial arc as Spider-Man/Peter Parker. He has been growing as a person, actor, and human being since then, and his reservoir of emotion he can pull from has only gotten deeper.
It was so beautiful to see a grown man healing, in communion with his fellow actors and billions of us; his spidey-self, his career trajectory, and his relationship with ex girlfriend Emma through art, no matter what an evil corporation Disney is, even with that; something so pure and magnificent did come out of what was conceived as a cash grab.
Many don't like him throughout. Worst version of any part of the character. Worst Spidey, Worst Peter, has the worst swinging, he's the dumbest version, he had to steal his web formula and google how batteries worked. Its all just awful.
Garfield's Spider-Man holds the weaknesses of the character as well as the strengths, and that's why it's my favorite. I wish TASM2 were a better movie, but that's a different problem.
I really appreciate what I think is Tom Holland physically reacting to the "She was my MJ line". It looked as if, after a pause, he starts breathing harder, I could almost hear his heart rate change processing his current grief and the thought of losing MJ too. Knowing there is a literal universe where that happened, where he loses her.
You guys missed something... When Andrew saves MJ in No Way Home... He used his aerodynamics to grab a hold of MJ instead of relying on his webs, unlike the last time when he tried to do with Gwen(which inevitably causes Gwen's death) . It wasn't until he grabs hold of MJ, that he uses his webs to slow their descent down safely. This level of details shows how much introspection and grief the character actually would've gone/been through... To correct their tiniest of tiniest mistakes and taking more variables(such as stretching of the web string in Amazing Spider man 2) into account. For a redemption arc, and it honestly does an incredible job on that.
That was one of the details that hit especially hard for me, like he must have played her death in loop in his head, trying to figure out where he went wrong, what he would to differntly. I thought about a quote from Spike "I didn't save you that night, but every night after that, I did save you..."
@@chand911 uhm... Actually physics withstanding... Just driving wouldn't have worked... You also have to manage the speed... The rate at which you're falling down. Thats where your aerodynamics come into play... Cause by default your body falls at the speed of 9.8m per sec... In that particular scene, MJ fell off first, but from a higher ground, which also increased her speed towards the ground while passing Andrew's floor because he was several floors below from where her fall actually began... So he had to streamline his body movement during his own fall to match upto her speed in order to get a hold of her[because remember how I said that by default all objects accelerate towards earth at speed of 9.8m per sec.]... If he didn't do that... MJ wouldn't be saved I'm sorry... I know how weird it is that we're talking about physics in a superhero-physics-defying film... But if you look closely... You can actually see that happening...
This a great point. What also stood out to me as well is that, once he had a hold of MJ, he twisted them around so he'd hit the ground first this time. Partly I imagine because he knows he's more durable and can take a bigger hit and buffer her from that impact if he couldn't slow them down enough before they hit the ground.
The thing I love about the MJ rescue scene in NWH is that he rescued her differently from how he tried to rescue Gwen (which incidentally matched how he had rescued Jack, the kid, from a similar fall - ie worked once, should work again - but it didn't). To me that says that since ASM2 he has been thinking about her death and what he could've done differently to save her - how else he might've tried to rescue her -> which he then used when rescuing MJ. Also yeah, spider-flu is one of my favorite scenes...
Andrew Garfield is such a world class actor - the scene with Gwen is an absolute stunner and regardless of what you think of the quality of the films themselves the brilliance of his acting ALWAYS manages to find a place to shine through in every single one BTW Omar was wonderful guest - lovely insights and well spoken. I would love to have him back for any of these in the future
I agree.. I was just watching Andrew Garfield in “Under The Banner Of Heaven” he’s just soo talented, the way he truly captures emotions in a way that makes you feel the emotions too.
I was talking with a friend of mine about spiderman and I asked what is his biggest flaws in the Andrew franchise, and my friend said "adaptability" and that is because tobys spiderman saves falling people by propelling himself towards them, while Andrews shoots his Web, the first person Andrew saves is a child he catches with his Web, and he likely continues doing that method over the time till gwen when it fails and she dies, only after that does Andrew propel himself to MJ in NWH to save her. He learns that the same method that works half a dozen times before won't always work. And that's what I love about the different spidermen.
As awesome as the “it’ll make you strong” psychological reason for having the little boy put the mask on is, I can’t help but also think it’s a great way to provide a makeshift layer of smoke inhalation prevention without freaking the kid out anymore. If that was something that at all crossed the filmmakers’ minds, that’s a cool detail.
I had been watching you for a long time so when we connected and you asked if I wanted to be in an episode, I was truly so taken aback but completely honored and thankful. It was a true joy flying to Utah to meet, film, and collaborate with you and this episode is such a beautiful representation of the times we had and the relationship dynamic that quickly formed. Cinema Therapy Bromance for life! 🙌🏻😂 Can’t wait to see y’all again!
26:05 if you didn't cry from this scene then we have nothing to talk about. In a movie that was centered around Dr. Strange, Tom Holland's Spiderman, and a reality warping spell breaking the multiverse they managed to give Andrew Garfield's Spiderman quite possibly the most deserved moment in modern cinema. He got to save the girl. I'm crying typing this out and I hope this scene never stops making me cry.
"The costume represents something [...]. In those two days you understand it is an honor, and people dream to be in that position." This is actually a sentiment that I always respected about the cosplay community when it comes to kids at conventions. All cosplayers seem to have this unspoken understanding that there are certain costumes you put on that require an unbreakable illusion for kids. I still remember the story about the Daenerys cosplayer who was mistaken for Elsa by a kid and immediately jumped into the role, and how a nearby Anna cosplayer played along and even helped them quickly braid their wig, all because kids kept coming up thinking she was Elsa. I think that's one of my favorite aspects of seeing movies made about superheroes, that idea of getting to bring that symbol to life for people in a very real way.
I was cosplaying as a female venom (half and half), but my red hair was wild that day, so someone called me Carnage, and I just replied as Carnage would... "We're Venom, You Twat!" with the Southern Hill Billy accent and all. It was hilarious! 😎👍 Embraced the female Cletus Kasady character the rest of the convention. I won the unofficial cosplay award for most convincing actress. 🤣🤷
You guys should really cover “Treasure Planet” there’s so much good stuff going on in that tragically underrated film. Sure it could just be treasure island in space but the emotional stories they decided to add in are just so beautiful
I need them to cover that movie, it's my old time favorite movie and my relationship with my father it's pretty much like the one that Jim has with his father.. Which makes the movie hard to watch at the same time that it makes it special when I feel down.
"At some point, I just stopped pulling my punches. I got rageful. I got bitter. I just don't want you to end up like me." Andrew Peter No Way Home. You know he was so robbed of this incredible story of overcoming loss and grief because Sony just doesn't know how to handle Spider-Man. The MCU isn't perfect, sometimes their movies are too formulaic, but they did help with the Home trilogy and Spider-Man was redeemed in a lot of ways because of it. And I'd love to see a movie with a not so friendly Spider-Man. One that's darker, one that's tired, one that's just...kind of done. Peter SUFFERS in his life. The man can't seem to catch a break. But even despite all that, he gets up. He keeps going. And that's what I love about Spider-Man. He's us. Just with powers. But in the end, he's just....us.
The wildest part about that quote is hearing it about 5-10 minutes after seeing AG's Peter literally catch a falling car with one hand while hanging from the other. Imagine that Spiderman pulling his punches. There'd be nothing left for the average guy. AG's Peter has to sit with that darkness, and it seems like he's only barely beginning to see his way out of it.
If you put out two mountains of shit, and then society steps in and denies you a 3rd, you weren't "robbed". You were stopped. Also what you're describing just isn't Spider-Man. You're whats wrong with the fans.
Would be interesting to speculate what happened in-between TASM2 and No Way Home, as he said things like 'he got bitter' and 'stopped pulling his punches' and dropped hints such as 'he never had the time to do Peter Parker stuff', I think he turned to the darkness completely and became full-time vigilante Spider-Man, probably living as a social recluse when he's not Spider-Man, and maybe he was even unemployed? Does he still live with Aunt May if this is the case? There are so many possibilities and spaces to explore the character, thus they must make TASM3!
“ There is a place for your Grief but your life can’t become grief “ That Really struck me I felt hopeless when several family members of mine died not to far apart from each other I felt bitter and Angry for a long time that really got to me ! Thanks to Cinema Therapy !! ❤️❤️
Andrew Garfield was the most powerful Spiderman for me. I never understood why it became cool to hate him. He has the best redemption story line I've ever seen. I loved this episode. "Real heroism is 'I'm going to keep doing the right thing, and I'm going to keep being kind. And I'm not going to lose my decency just because I'm getting the s*** kicked out of me.'"
Mainly because the films he was in weren't very well plotted. Its a sad reality that often the actors get the hate for being in a badly told story even if their acting is great
@@boserboser6870 I honestly don't think they were that badly plotted. I think they suffered a bit in the edit, some of the dramatic connective tissue, especially involving the villains, got simplified in favor of action (some deleted scenes should maybe have been left in, because while they weren't essential for a coherent plot, they would have helped give weight and context to character motivations), but they still work. I honestly think Sony should talk to Marc Webb about the possibility of a director's cut of both movies. I'd love to know what that would look like, as I know he didn't have a whole lot of control over the theatrical cuts. Even if it ends up with a The Batman-length TASM2 (or close to it), that might be what's best for that movie in terms of narrative flow.
I used to study teaching and people really underestimate the sheer effort and tenacity you have to have for the profession. Even when the kids are not only being brats but just plain cruel to either other students or yourself, it's hard. Really hard. The fact that you got through the whole year and still have that hope of choosing to be kind is incredible. Even if you end up doing something else or life kicks you a couple too many times, you have the privilege of knowing what many will never know of getting through that year in your life with kindness. Remember that hard year because if you can get through one, who's to say you couldn't get through another. It is a thankless job quite often, but guess what stranger? Thank you for your hard work and kindness. You'll be okay.
“He's trying to do everything right. He's juggling this world that is falling apart around him. The worst outcomes are happening. You as a person what motivations do you have to continue doing what you believe is right, if your life is falling apart. Whether you save the city or don't save the city, if you are losing yourself in the process, that's a really hard place to stay strong from. It would destroy anyone” .... This hit me more than I can say
I love that Alan can cry and be like "it's totally ok". And sometimes when he cries I cry too. I love the chemistry between these guys. And I also love to hear their opinions on different movies 😄
@@Avril. Sometimes all you need is a good cry. And sometimes it's not cause you're feeling sad but just because you need a cry. I do the same. If I just wanna cry I either watch like sad clips or I come to their videos and cry with Alan
I remember reading somewhere (this channel?) someone's grandmother describing crying like "when you have sorrow it's like carrying a thick blanket soaked in water. When you squeeze out the water, it's still a burden, but not so heavy to bear". As good a description of crying/relief as I've heard.
The fact that Andrew didn't attempt to catch MJ with his net, like Toby did for his MJ and Tom for the girl from the first movie (don't remember her name >__
the scene with Spidey catching MJ hit me so hard i legit cried all the way home from the theater… and then some more. he wrapped his entire body around her like “if i cant land this she’ll still be safe, peter is never gonna know this pain” 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I just remember screaming, 'there's three Spidermen, for God's sake somebody save her, please!' And of course it was Andrew's Peter who immediately reacts first, not that Tobey didn't care but Andrew's Peter knows, he knows that grief. He's gonna get there if it kills him.
@@secretlyadragon4723 totally agree with you! It's not that Tobey's Spider-Man hadn't seen it first but it's the fact that Andrew's Spider-Man has played that scenario in his head probably a hundred times, a scenario where he does something sooner or slightly different and saves Gwen so when MJ is falling he knows exactly how to grab her and how to land so she'll be safe
When I watched Andrew's spider-man movies, I was impressed against my will. That part when he's just devasted after Gwen's death, it hurt me too. It was beautifully acted by both actors (Emma and Andrew), because I grieve for the loss of a brilliant soul and that Pete had lost so much. Later reading a bunch of fanfics, I realized that's Pete's quality: how good he remains even after tragedies.
Honestly, I feel like Andrew's Spider-Man is the one whose story is least resolved, because while I do agree with what you said in the scene where he saved MJ, I think it also shows the signs of him still not being over it, because of how easily he did save her, it was so quick and sudden with how quickly she was out of danger, and then it lingers, I think that emotion behind his part of the scene is also a little bit of thinking about how easy it could have been to save her, and I get the feeling from the scene that he's thought about all the little mistakes he made thousands of times and how he could've done things differently, and then possibly feeling like he proved himself right when he saved Zendaya MJ, with also that little hint of closure. But besides just that, I also get the feeling that if we see more of him in the MCU, or his own continuation movie, that we'd see a lot more of him overcoming and managing his anger, and gradually learning to love again with his own MJ, as it's hinted at in the lab scene, that he's the only one who doesn't have an MJ, I think it'd be tough to find the right casting for an MJ for Andrew Spidey, specifically one that wouldn't just constantly be compared to Emma Stone's Gwen, but it'd be nice to see this character, if not have a happy ending, then at least move to a happier and healthier place in his life, as it seems to be implied that he's the only one who never really got that, when even Tobey's Spidey did, after everything that happened and how low he went in Spider-Man 3, it'd be nice to see a good depiction of a story that's closer to what Spidey had in the comics, which is he loses Gwen and after a grieving period, grows to love again with MJ, as it'd be an opportunity to explore how difficult it is to open up again after losing a loved one, and also show the healing process, and how reconnecting with people can be a very healthy way of dealing with grief, even if there isn't a follow up romance. I mean, think about it, Andrew's Spidey, is the only one who has no outlet or anyone to trust with the information that he's Spider-Man, not since Gwen, and I don't recall, but I'm fairly sure I don't remember his Aunt May knowing anything about or figuring out his secret. I think the perfect way to wrap his character up in a healthy way, would be learning to balance reconnecting with people, with super-hero life. But that's just me.
Well said. Although it’s hinted in tasm2 that Aunt May does know with the way she talks to Peter closer towards the end of the film but she just doesn’t want him to know that she knows
I don't think Andrew will get his MJ. That's not how multiverse works. In the comics there also were different versions of Spider-Man, but I don't think even one of them got to have Gwen AND MJ. And we have to remember that MCU is based on the comics afterall.
Honestly, that scene where he saves MJ is also a redemption moment for his lifelong regret of not saving Gwen - he gets a second shot at saving the girl and this time he gets it right. Sometimes we can learn to forgive ourselves by being able to help someone else in the same situation where we previously failed ourselves. It doesn't fix the past, but it gives us hope for the future.
yeah thats how i see it - his redemption. i think it helps him to forgive himself too because he learnt from his previous failure and actually succeeded this time, rather than repeating his mistakes
I love that the Saving MJ scene in No Way Home hits hard even if you haven’t watched any other Spiderman movies. You can completely understand the emotions he is going through from the few pieces of dialogue we get about Gwen prior to it. Andrew Garfield is so good at acting, man-
18:29 Editor Sophie's cutaway to Omar, the stunt guy who has to mentally/physically take a beating for a living, asking Alan, the sensitive kind gentle giant of a filmmaker tearing up at Andrew Garfield's performance, the same question Johnathan the THERAPIST, who is high pitched giggling maniacally at the whole situation, would have asked, just perfectly encapsulates what kind video this is, and I well & truly appreciate everyone & every one video this channel puts out, along with Mended Light, the other channel. Omar's welcome to come back anytime in my book.
I've been severely depressed as of late, but that Gwen speech... God, it hit me really hard. It's exactly what I needed to hear right now. Thank you, Cinema Therapy guys, you give people hope when life seems hopeless. Also, "... every time it happens, you are given a choice, and the choice is to fall down or get up, or to stay down or get up. And every single time you have to make that decision. And it's not easy, but every time you get up, you're going to be thankful that you did, and you're going to be stronger because of it." Thank you, Omar. Thank you for saying this. You're making a difference
I don't know what's possible for you. I know that if you live in the USA, mental healthcare is expensive. Please, if it's at all possible, get help. I've been where you are, I just spent months in a mental institution (voluntarily) for depression and anxiety. It feels impossible but life can get better. It's not supposed to be this hard. It will get easier. If you need to talk, I'm here.
If Alan cries one more time (like he won't?), I will have to come on as an emotional support fan. And honestly, having Omar get choked up at one point along with Alan's tears sent me over the emotional cliff. All three of you were so great in this episode. This is what we love about you guys. Bring Omar on again and keep up the good work.
She's definitely incredible! I was fortunate enough to meet her in person while I was there and she is just as funny in person as her editing jokes are 🙌🏻
So Imma drop something very personal. I struggled with suicidal issues for years, and I'm always trying to be positive and trying to cope with this poison but my biggest inspiration is Spider-Man, a character who has more than enough reason to take his own life but he keeps getting back up regardless, and I'm talking about all the spider people but Peter is who I connect with the most, so when I'm in those days where I'm hurting so much I watch the movies(all of them) and it helps so much.
"I'm just Omar" sir you were Spider-Man and the fact is- you stunt doubled in that suit. Guess what? You helped to inspire people. That makes a hero to me.
I have to disagree with people saying "Oh Tom's the best Peter, Andrew's the best spidey." because i truly think Andrew Garfield did an amazing job of both. (don't get me wrong, Tom Holland and Tobey Maguire were great too)
nah, you're getting it wrong. what those people say is that TOBEY is the best peter, Andrew is the best spidey, and Tom is the one to have achieved both well. but from that argument, I've seen ppl saying this in terms of what they've read in the comics. TBH, i personally find it hard to compare them becuz they all bring something completely different to spider-man AND peter parker so i honestly feel like its useless to compare them cuz they all tackled the character very differently
Yes. The tone of tasm is much different than the other two, as the other two are much different than each other. Tasm films are much much heavier. And Andrew played both of them flawlessy.
They are films. Inspired by the themes and tones of the comics. They are not supposed to be necessarily compared to the comics. They are fantastic films and the acting on all parts was great. For someone like me who is a cinema nerd and has never read a comic in my life, but understands the concept and the culture, these films are absolutely fantastic.
"Yes, you can... Put on the mask, Jack" Remember, one of the most poignant things about the character has been that whole psychology of the mask... "Spiderman can be *ANYONE* ..." .Working it into the scene this way is honestly a bit of a tearjerker to me.
@@user-wo3yd5ke4s apologies ^_^ I wasn't intending to come across particularly aggressively. There is just so much damned negativity on this platform lately (yay, society---) that I just fired from the hip >.>
In no way home I think there are a couple of powerful moments. Like Andrew's spiderman saving MJ and Toby's spiderman standing in front of green goblin. I do like how each spiderman has that different but similar heavy moments. It pushes them forward. I do like how when Stan Lee first came up with him people weren't sure it was going to sell.
I haven't watched the andrew garfield movies since they came out but watching no way home instantly brought back such strong emotions. Really crazy how evocative his performance is years later
The moment I finished watching TASM I realised Andrew is my favourite spiderman and TASM is favourite spiderman movie. I still don't know now why some people had hated it . The way Andrew connects emotionally with us through his acting is amazing. I call him the emotional spider-man. And man.. Emma's acting was fantanstic . The whole performance of Andrew when Gwen died in his arms oh god , that had me bawling my eyes out. I wanna give him an oscar for that scene.
Friends and I have a breakdown. Tobey was the best Peter. He played dorky smart Peter perfectly. Andrew was the best Spider-Man. He played snarky confident Spidey perfectly. Tom is a good blend of both. He's not the best Peter and he's not the best Spider-Man, but he's the best mix of both.
@@WalkerRileyMC yeah... I've heard that before too... Peter Parker in the comics and cartoons was always a nerdy awkward kid... But as Spider-Man, with the mask on, he was able to be more confident and snarky, with those fabulous quips and one-liners to the bad guys.... Tobey's Spider-Man was missing the quips and snark... But Andrew's Spider-Man had the best quips and snark and one-liners... like he was best representation of Spider-Man from the comics.... but Andrew's Peter Parker was too cool and not awkward enough... Tom brings that geeky awkwardness to Peter Parker and he's got some great quips and snark and one-liners.... The one thing I loved about Tobey's Spider-Man that I wished they had kept with both Andrew's & Tom's versions is the organic web-shooters... I know in the comics that Peter makes his own webbing and web-shooters (and there a lot of funny moments of Peter running out of webbing) but I gotta say from a genetics/biology standpoint... if this were real and Peter was genetically altered to have Spider Abilities... It just makes sense to me that he'd have organic web-shooters in his wrists... I remember there being a lot of online chatter about people complaining about that aspect of Tobey's Spider-Man not having to make his own webbing/web-shooters (my dad included) but once people saw it in the movie, it just makes sense.
@@captsparrowslady I don't think having the webbing come out of the wrist is supported by real spiders either. In that light it would make more sense if he had webbing come out a new organ near his rear and then created a wrist-mounted dispenser for it after somehow harvesting it. Personally, I think it's a cool inclusion for that particular version as it gives him a distinctly spider-based power (other arthropods have similar senses and relative strength). But I also like the tech-based webs since it means one of his powers is reliant on his intelligence and ingenuity. He has to science up one of his most important tools in a garage on a shoe-string budget.
Omar knocked this out of the park. John-o is great, but Omar had some great words of wisdom. And Omar and allen had fun movie nerd talk. Great video! One of my favorites! Everyone did a great job!
You have to see that aunt may was amazing in this as well. She didn't suddenly decide to put Ben's things away right then. She saw her surrogate son suffering from a loss and instead of talking to him about it and giving platitude or saying I know what you're feeling and trying to relate; she does something. She thinks what does Peter need to learn or hear and how can I relay that to him, by doing it herself. There was no way she was thinking about putting Ben's things away until then. Her grief for his death was still ongoing and by stepping up and being peters mother figure she helps in her own healing as well as his.
Andrew Garfield has always been my favorite of the Spider Men and it is everything to have his performance and these movies reviewed and praised by the Internet Dads. His acting is so poignant and he radiates joy in the suit.
While the TASM movies had their problems, I love how this was able to draw out some of the best parts of both the filmmaking, the acting, and the writing. Having grown up reading Spider-man in the 80's, I had a pretty solid grasp on it all, so when Gwen had her fall in the clocktower, I knew what was coming. I also knew it was necessary as the tragedy added a few important things to the world here. It showed he couldn't always win. Bad things can still happen to a hero no matter how hard he tries. And overcoming the loss and grief built character in how he perceived being a superhero. To that end, Andrew Garfield did an outstanding job with the role. As a "Peter Parker" he did the best he could, though the writing wasn't great. As Spider-man he was phenomenal. As the balance between the two I have no complaints and we saw just how amazing (pun intended) an actor he was with the right material for No Way Home. He deserved all the accolades and more.
That moment when Andrew's Peter saves MJ is E V E R Y T H I N G. It's the perfect kind of bookend for the character, it's his redemption (in his own eyes, because nobody else would have blamed him), it's just such a perfect moment for him. And Andrew plays it FLAWLESSLY. I weep every single time.
Knowing Andrew Garfield used to play with kids behind the scenes, in the spiderman suit, just makes everything better. Yet another reason why I adore Andrew Garfield
I'm a massive fan of Tom's Spider-man. I love pretty much everything they've done with that franchise. That being said, there will always be something about Andrew's portrayal of that character that is so so special. I think it has to do with the emotion and range he gave in those two films. He's my favorite Spider-man for sure.
Spider-Man taught me no matter how great the pain, you keep moving.. Hope's not something everyone can hold on to, there's some situations where it's back to back levels of hell but if you just keep going eventually you'll come to a better place. Anyone can be Spidey under the mask but it takes an extreme level of resilience to keep the faith that it'll get better and that's why I love the character so much.
It’s doing the right thing even when it is hard. That’s what being a hero is. Standing alone to do good won’t always be the most popular but it’s what’s right.
So since we are talking about masks and costumes. I am a cosplayer and I can't deny that every time i put on a costume or the mask of it, it really does change your way of being a little. Like the guy said you stand up taller. You feel more free, more out of your shell. For me it makes me leagues more confident and assured of myself to be in costume especially when it's a character that is a confident person. It's truly a spectacular feeling and thing that happens
Specially cause people love seeing the costumes. It makes your absolute day to see a kid or adult just light up visibly at what ya did. For just that moment ya feel like a super hero ya self
I’ve seen a bunch of people hating on the Amazing Spider-Man films but I love them so much. Andrew Garfield is an amazing actor and, while he carries the series, I enjoyed almost every moment of those films
Ever since I saw both ASM in theaters Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man has been my favorite, and one I could personally relate to, not with superheroics or loss, but with his peter’s personality and mannerisms. I’m so happy people giving him his due now and recognizing his impact. Also, as 30 year old male it makes me feel good seeing grown men shed tears and know it’s ok. It’s ok, to feel emotionally charged with something you like and express oneself. It always felt “taboo” when I’d tear up during this stuff, because that’s “not what men do”. Thank you guys
The hole "finding a place for grief" part really hit close to home for me... I used to be (and still am in a way) a fan of technoblade... a minecraft youtuber who had incridable humor, mad skills, and most of all he always cared about his fans and about people around him unfortunetly... about a week ago he passed away due to cancer and this video reflected a lot of what i felt... rest in peace techno
I love the fact you guys are reacting to Spider-Man, specifically Andrew's Spider-man, because to me he was the most realistic in the sense he was a bit more relatable. Especially with how Andrew delivered his performance as Spider-Man so well, yet was overlooked because of some of the writing. I still feel like he deserved to have a part 3 of his Spider-Man just to show us what truly happened to him after he lost Gwen, granted it was hinted but there's def. something more there.
Agreed. And one reason I particularly like Andrew's Spiderman and the angst that he brings is that his origin story has parallels to Bruce Wayne (minus being a billionaire). They both lost their parents very young in traumatic/mysterious circumstances, they had both suffered an incredible amount of grief and loss in their lives, and they both use Spiderman/Batman to fill that void and try to affect change with it. Obviously, Spiderman isn't nearly as jaded and consumed as Batman (until it's hinted with Andrew's Spiderman after losing Gwen) and makes the choice to see the good and find moments of joy in it. Once I saw that parallel I couldn't unsee it and really adds more layers of nuance for me to his character and Andrew's performance.
All three actors who played Spider-Man are amazing in their own right. I think that Andrew Garfield has always been my favourite due to his comedic timing and acting chops. Most of his memorable lines were ad-libbed (tiny knives). I just think he had way too many villains to fight (always a bad sign, unless it's an ensemble) and was too "real in the feels" for people. Grief is difficult and we all deal with it in different ways. I also love the fact that all you guys were crying; that's how powerful and relatable it is. Great episode, as always, and thanks Omar for adding to this episode!
Andrew is my favourite Spider-Man. Always has been, always will be. I’m conflicted that now people are finally starting to appreciate him after No Way Home. I’m glad but also frustrated. I think “where the hell were you lot when he was getting unfairly criticised left right and centre?!”
Him actually dumping the popcorn on Omar in the end is such a dad thing. Like, the subtle "I'm just gonna escalate a little bit" thing made me chuckle.
22:25- you know, I've never really felt Spiderman was relatable to me before this. Usually you don't see the superheros loved ones abandon them or leave them for someone else, typically they would die in some tragic way. But this hit too close to home for me. After years of pain and emotional wreckage, eventually you’ll realize that people are the universal lifeline that inevitably will keep you alive. Helping people helps you survive.
The "Put on the mask, it'll make you strong" has a lot of the same energy as the lines in Spider-verse about "It always fits eventually" and "Anyone can wear the mask. *You* can wear the mask." Sometimes you just need that little confidence boost to get you going forward.
I think it was a pretty cool choice for them to say that he stopped pulling his punches, that basically means he murdered a bunch of villains, or at best gave them crippling injuries.
Please, please, do EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE (2022). Amazing movie, I'm sure Alan will cry and Jono will love the philosophy behind it. Movie is about family, determinism, nihilism, and finding meaning and stablishing connections. Plus, the action and effects are truly amazing.
Watching Gwen's death always brings me to the brink of tears. It's my go-to for when I want to be depressed. And I was as close to crying as Amazing Peter was when he saved MJ at the Statue of Liberty. Just watching those few seconds here had tears welling up in my eyes. Andrew acted the hell out of both of those scenes.
I was a high school senior when ASM2 came out. I was in the longest and best relationship I've ever been in, and right before prom, graduation and college she moved away... That was the lowest point I have ever been emotionally in my life. To then go and watch ASM2... man a lot of people didn't like it, but it means so much to me. Gwen's death scene devastates me every time, I have to look away before she hits the ground. Seeing Andrew Garfield cry his heart out was what I needed, to know that a guy was allowed to show emotion, to grieve, it helped me so much. Getting to see him have that second chance, to bookend his tragedy... it hit me so hard - I bawled my eyes out. It's very personal, but that's why he's my Spider-Man.
I remember I was working in a gaming store and my boss was a huge Spiderman fan, we connected over comicbooks. He was teased for liking Amazing Spiderman by almost everyone but me. We just connected and it created such an amazing workplace for gamers and comic book nerds. So many inside jokes happened and that movie gave me an amazing friend, who I have adored to this day his actions and caring nature was so very Spiderman without being a physical hero. He was still a hero to me and saved me so many times.
Andrew Garfield did a talk show after his mother died and he said something that has stuck with me: Grief is unexpressed love. It stuck with me because it’s such a beautiful way to deal with something that can be so horrible.
Talking about regression, I remember something with The Punisher in the comics they did. They were showing what it was like in Veitnam for him. In there, him and his squad started getting a rep for men who went too far. They killed, did terrible things, were just absolutely brutal. So a new CO was brought in to try to bring them in line and they got frustrated with this CO constantly holding them back and threating punishment for what they were doing... so... they set him up so the enemy would have a clear shot at the CO and he would die. And it worked. Then Frank comments something like, "I can't wait to be out of this hell hole. Get back to my wife and just live normally again so I don't have to do this crap any more." It was, I think, a good set up in that it shows that Frank Castle was always a violent nut job who does what he thinks is right at the expense of others. It wasn't something that just came out of him when his wife and kid was killed but instead he repressed this inner monster when he was with them. Tried to be a normal person. But when what grounded him was destroyed... he went back to that monster again and started doing like he used to back in 'nam.
Something that I find goes unnoticed No Way Home is when Garfield's Spiderman saves MJ. Everything is stopping everyone from that world's MJ to be saved. Ned tried grabbing her but she slipped away; Holland's Spiderman got stopped by Green Goblin, but even when all the debris is falling all around them Garfield's Spiderman pushes this rebar 26:19 out of the way. He lost so many people and Gwen was the straw that broke his back. This scene was too familiar. MJ was going to survive because history can't repeat itself. Spiderman needs the people he loves and cares about. Spiderman needs his daily dose of hope. Garfield's Spiderman loved Gwen. He may have put her stuff in a different place but I'm sure he was fixated on her death for a very long time just replaying all the things he could have done differently. Fortunately, this time it did. She was okay. And now he's on the path to being okay. Another thing I just realized watching this video is that the scene where he tries to save Gwen reflects when he tries to save Jack on the bridge. It worked before but not this time. Gwen fell further and has more mass than a child, the force of gravity would not be dispersed as well with one line of webbing. I think of it like how you can sleep on a bed of nails and not get hurt because your weight is dispersed. When he saves MJ he grabs her using his own momentum and body as a cushion.
Grief and loss is such a hard thing to dealt with. I lost my six year old cat last week and it left a huge emptiness inside. It still makes me cry to see her pictures and I always missed her presence in the house but yeah, it will heal soon. She is in a better place now. Thank you for the video. Also can I suggest? Can you please react to SpyxFamily? It's a twelve episode anime about a found family. It's not common today to have an anime or a tv show tackles about found family and I think you two will give a good insight of the story
The Amazing Spiderman will always be one of my favorites bc it's not just an origin story of how he got his powers but also of how he actually became a hero and used them for good. He doesn't say he's spiderman until after he saved that kid, that was when he actually became spiderman, not when he was bit
Shout out to Cinema Therapy. You guys are just the right amount of logical and emotional that I need right now. With the state of the world right now and so many crazy, scary, sad things happening in the US, having a little mental health time by watching movies with you helps me to have some hope in our future. Thank you for all the hard work you do and stay well. Also, I know it might be a swing in the dark, but my favorite movie of all time is Inherit the Wind made in 1960. There are a ton of themes in that film that I’m shocked to see still prevalent today, so it would be interesting to see both of your takes on it. Not to mention I think it has some of the best acting I’ve ever seen. Alan is right when he says the best visual effects are the actors faces because that is 90% of the movie and it’s amazing. Thanks again for your consideration. ❤️
Andrew Garfield is such an incredible actor and I loved hearing you all say that. He fit the role of Spider-Man so perfectly, he's always been my favorite.
The spiderman journey and motivation has resonated with me since I was a kid reading boy's life in the 90s. I get all the feels with the loss of Gwen Stacy due to losing my first relationship to self demise so y'all covering this character and the emotional journey really validates the rage I fought and still find echos of in my life today.
I recently lost my grandpa after taking care of him fore the past couple of years due to alzheimers, he and my grandma were more of my parents since my real parents left me when I was born. So now that they're both gone, loads of memories I had of them raising me after looking at photos my grandma used to take when I was young came flooding in. The house is quiet now and I honestly feel empty. I wish they could've stayed longer but they grew older and weaker despite everything I did to take care of them. That feeling of "I could've did better take take care of my grampa" will linger till I die. Dealing with grief will take awhile but that scar will forever remain.
Wierd connection but this video helped me a bit. When you said that you can't get stuck in the grief and you have to put it where it belongs, I think I needed to hear that. My boyfriend left for navy bootcamp 3 weeks ago but he's coming back in 5 weeks. He has been through so much hell, both medically and emotionally. I've been struggling with not being able to be there for him and not being able to see him. I suppose I need to move on with my life and do things to better myself instead of moping around feeling sorry for myself
1) I love this series of Psychology of a Hero/Villain series! It's a deep dive into what motivates characters and helps audience understand them. 2) 18:30 when the camera shows Alan's face then cuts to Jonathan silently laughing cracks me up. I kept rewinding that clip over and over. 3) Jonathan's slip of Addition instead of Addiction was funny.
You know what hits home the most in this video? Whenever someone had tears in their eyes, Jonathan started laughing. One might call it classic therapist, but it's actually overcompensation, but that just on a sidenote. :3 great video as always
Man...I got through the whole vid without tears...but that f*ing face Andrew Garfield is doing after asking MJ, if she's okay...bro...this will always break me 😭
6:46 Another good example of the "emoting through a helmet" thing is halo's master chief. Not the show where he spends 90% of his screentime without a helmet (or sometimes clothes 🙄), but the games, particularly halo 4, 5 and infinite. The mocap guys and animators do a phenomenal job of expressing this broken man without ever taking off his helmet.
You guys were all VIBING HARD in this episode. He felt like Alan and Jonathan had merged into one person that beautifully bounced off both of you. Hope he comes back some day
I know most of this video is talking about how great Andrew is and I 100% agree, but can we take a moment to acknowledge Tom's expressions while Andrew's Spider-Man is talking about losing Gwen? The way Tom takes in what Andrew is saying and feels it in his body, as if he can relate because he's imagined what it would be like to lose MJ a thousand times in his own mind. The way you can see his hard swallow as he tries to keep himself together, and goes back to breathing threw his mouth? All of that is so real, it's amazing acting. They all did such a good job.
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Idea for an episode: does Hacuna-Matata make sence? - philosophy of Timon and Pumba. Remember to talk about their spin off movie. ;-)
If you ever do TV therapy could you look at Gene Hunt and or Sam Tyler from the UK version of life on mars please?
there's a really loud high pitched noise during the ad read :/
Could you look at Maverick and Rooster’s relationship in Top Gun Maverick? One of the most heartwarming relationships I’ve seen on film in such a long time!
Oh Lord grief and loss here go the water works for me 😭.
The crying when he’s holding Gwen felt so real because it was ugly, it was breathy, everything that seems unattractive but so raw and heart wrenching because everyone has cried like that at least once. Just brutal
I remember seeing that Andrew was imagining Emma had actually died, so that's why it's so real, in that scene he is literally crying over his girlfriend's 'death'
I don't think many of us were thinking about his attractiveness in that moment anyway. I just remember bawling my eyes out.
Reminds me of Andrew crying in the film 'Never Let Me Go'. There's a super-intense ragey-anguishy-screamy-crying moment he has that rips me to shreds EVERY. DAMN. TIME.
That's Andrew Garfield for you
It also just makes it hard to watch in a strangely beautiful way, of someone pretending to experience more pain than I ever have, and doing such a good job of it that it seems genuine.
Andrew actually said the “Are you okay?” Line was very important because in that moment all Peter could see was Gwen’s body he’s holding, and he needs MJ to tell him did it to make sure he actually did it.
yes and i loved how they mixed all of their themes together when they all were on screen together
I also think what made the MJ and Garfield Spidey scene so special was that she asks him if HE'S okay afterward, because even in the midst of her own brush with death, she didn't forget that he lost the woman he loved just as much as her Peter loves her, and he NEEDED someone to ask him that. No one ever asked him if he was okay back in his world because who could? Who would know? He had to live with that in his head for years.
He really needed it so I’m real glad it was included. His face when MJ asks if he’s okay is was makes me sob in this scene
I think that it was just so clear that he got extremely emotional saving her and making sure she was okay, so much so that she couldn't help but make sure he was going to be alright. They said it numerous times throughout this episode - Andrew Garfield is an absolute master of facial expression. I am well aware that he's acting in that scene and I still want to just run up and give him a hug.
Her reasoning for asking aside, I absolutely agree with the rest of it. He needed someone to ask that, and he needed it to be someone he saved, because otherwise he wouldn't be able to stay strong. MJ just happened to be the perfect person for it, because he can't help but see Gwen in her, and the guys were right when they said he desperately wanted to ask Gwen if she was okay. Such a bittersweet moment, but one that I think gives AG's Peter a lot of closure.
Hm.
That's a good point. I remember the stuff that Jonno and Alan said before about vulnerability and the ways in which it can help us overcome difficulties - but if you're the hero who's always wearing a mask, if you've got no-one to open up to and it's literally your JOB to be strong *all the time,* who're you going to be vulnerable to?
That, in turn, reminds me of the TEDTalk Brene Brown gave on vulnerability (I think the second one?) in which she talks about a father with only daughters: all the daughters take after the mum in expecting him to be this invulnerable Superman figure, that they would rather have him fall on his sword than ever show a single moment of weakness. So, you know. Ain't just superheroes who have to deal with that.
@@Stolanis I also think it's important to know where your space is to be vulnerable and where you need to put on the cape and be a hero. Usually, when other people need to be put first, we don the cape. However, when it's our time to be put first, we need to be ready to take off the mask and cape and be vulnerable.
In that scene, in particular, AG's Peter needed to put others first, and couldn't be super vulnerable. Just the look on his face before he nods. "I'm okay for now, let's keep going." By shelving his own emotions and putting MJ first in that moment, he proved that he can overcome his own grief and despair, even if he feels like he wallows in it when he's alone. It's encouraging, in a sense, that even when he's so grief-stricken, he can still motivate himself to move.
I’m so glad Andrew Garfield is finally getting the limelight he deserves for his Spider-Man films. His acting and love for the web-slinger was the reason I loved his Spider-Man the most and I still stand by it.
Edit: Oh my God, over 1.5k likes! Thank you, all! I appreciate the likes! And I also want to say that I love the conversations in the replies! Everyone is staying kind but also putting their points forward! This is awesome! Stay kind, everyone!
Yesss I agree! I remember that before the newest film, Andrew’s spider-man was hated so much. For no reason
@@zhdyak7134 Not for no reason the movie wasn't that good lmao
Glad I'm not the only one!
@@solen5529 the movies weren't good, the character was amazing (see what I did there)
I don't think they were bad movies though. Not good either but very enjoyable and I think they were treated quite unfairly at the time of their release. Now that No Way Home exists and Amazing Spider Man serie is considered part of the MCU multiverse I hope Andrew gets another shot at being a Spider man but this time with a good script.
I almost ugly cried in the theater at Andrew asking Zendaya, "Are you okay?" Andrew pulled his soul out for that line, and, as a fan, I couldn't be more grateful to him. The No Way Home film gave fans what they wanted, but I think it gave Andrew what he *needed*: closure on his initial arc as Spider-Man/Peter Parker. He has been growing as a person, actor, and human being since then, and his reservoir of emotion he can pull from has only gotten deeper.
It was so beautiful to see a grown man healing, in communion with his fellow actors and billions of us; his spidey-self, his career trajectory, and his relationship with ex girlfriend Emma through art, no matter what an evil corporation Disney is, even with that; something so pure and magnificent did come out of what was conceived as a cash grab.
I DID ugly cry lol
I could not agree more. It was a beautiful moment
@@carlalussini How well said! I have nothing to say but I so so agree.
I saw it on Disney at my daughter's and while she was expecting me to cry, she was NOT expecting to have to pause the film.
No Way Home seriously did so much justice for all the spidermen. It was an absolute treat to see them together.
I love Andrew's Spiderman. Many people don't like him at first, but after No Way Home, he got the chance of redemption that he deserved
Many don't like him throughout. Worst version of any part of the character. Worst Spidey, Worst Peter, has the worst swinging, he's the dumbest version, he had to steal his web formula and google how batteries worked. Its all just awful.
Garfield's Spider-Man holds the weaknesses of the character as well as the strengths, and that's why it's my favorite. I wish TASM2 were a better movie, but that's a different problem.
@@chand911 you reek of every keyboard hater
@@chand911 nah hes the best
I respectfully disagree..
I really appreciate what I think is Tom Holland physically reacting to the "She was my MJ line". It looked as if, after a pause, he starts breathing harder, I could almost hear his heart rate change processing his current grief and the thought of losing MJ too. Knowing there is a literal universe where that happened, where he loses her.
Oh, that's a nice catch. Probably a significant part of what made him push his away at the end
oh this is affecting me
You guys missed something...
When Andrew saves MJ in No Way Home... He used his aerodynamics to grab a hold of MJ instead of relying on his webs, unlike the last time when he tried to do with Gwen(which inevitably causes Gwen's death) . It wasn't until he grabs hold of MJ, that he uses his webs to slow their descent down safely.
This level of details shows how much introspection and grief the character actually would've gone/been through... To correct their tiniest of tiniest mistakes and taking more variables(such as stretching of the web string in Amazing Spider man 2) into account. For a redemption arc, and it honestly does an incredible job on that.
That was one of the details that hit especially hard for me, like he must have played her death in loop in his head, trying to figure out where he went wrong, what he would to differntly.
I thought about a quote from Spike "I didn't save you that night, but every night after that, I did save you..."
lol aerodynamics. The dude just dove.
@@chand911 uhm... Actually physics withstanding... Just driving wouldn't have worked... You also have to manage the speed... The rate at which you're falling down. Thats where your aerodynamics come into play... Cause by default your body falls at the speed of 9.8m per sec...
In that particular scene, MJ fell off first, but from a higher ground, which also increased her speed towards the ground while passing Andrew's floor because he was several floors below from where her fall actually began... So he had to streamline his body movement during his own fall to match upto her speed in order to get a hold of her[because remember how I said that by default all objects accelerate towards earth at speed of 9.8m per sec.]... If he didn't do that... MJ wouldn't be saved I'm sorry...
I know how weird it is that we're talking about physics in a superhero-physics-defying film... But if you look closely... You can actually see that happening...
This a great point. What also stood out to me as well is that, once he had a hold of MJ, he twisted them around so he'd hit the ground first this time. Partly I imagine because he knows he's more durable and can take a bigger hit and buffer her from that impact if he couldn't slow them down enough before they hit the ground.
@@KitiaraFlint This. So much of this. All of this.
The thing I love about the MJ rescue scene in NWH is that he rescued her differently from how he tried to rescue Gwen (which incidentally matched how he had rescued Jack, the kid, from a similar fall - ie worked once, should work again - but it didn't). To me that says that since ASM2 he has been thinking about her death and what he could've done differently to save her - how else he might've tried to rescue her -> which he then used when rescuing MJ. Also yeah, spider-flu is one of my favorite scenes...
Andrew Garfield is such a world class actor - the scene with Gwen is an absolute stunner and regardless of what you think of the quality of the films themselves the brilliance of his acting ALWAYS manages to find a place to shine through in every single one
BTW Omar was wonderful guest - lovely insights and well spoken. I would love to have him back for any of these in the future
Thank you so much for the wonderful compliment! 🙏🏻🙂
He had very good chemstry with Emma Stone. And Emma is also a very good acrtess. Love her in everything she appears.
I agree.. I was just watching Andrew Garfield in “Under The Banner Of Heaven” he’s just soo talented, the way he truly captures emotions in a way that makes you feel the emotions too.
@@icarue993 same 😂, Emma Stone is one of my favourite actresses of all time.
I was talking with a friend of mine about spiderman and I asked what is his biggest flaws in the Andrew franchise, and my friend said "adaptability" and that is because tobys spiderman saves falling people by propelling himself towards them, while Andrews shoots his Web, the first person Andrew saves is a child he catches with his Web, and he likely continues doing that method over the time till gwen when it fails and she dies, only after that does Andrew propel himself to MJ in NWH to save her. He learns that the same method that works half a dozen times before won't always work.
And that's what I love about the different spidermen.
As awesome as the “it’ll make you strong” psychological reason for having the little boy put the mask on is, I can’t help but also think it’s a great way to provide a makeshift layer of smoke inhalation prevention without freaking the kid out anymore. If that was something that at all crossed the filmmakers’ minds, that’s a cool detail.
I had been watching you for a long time so when we connected and you asked if I wanted to be in an episode, I was truly so taken aback but completely honored and thankful. It was a true joy flying to Utah to meet, film, and collaborate with you and this episode is such a beautiful representation of the times we had and the relationship dynamic that quickly formed. Cinema Therapy Bromance for life! 🙌🏻😂 Can’t wait to see y’all again!
we loved seeing you! I loved when you talked about the phone call you got about spiderman, you just seem so down to earth and honest :)
dude you were so great, honestly loved your energy and your insight!
Omar, you fit right in with these guys and the theme of this show -- caring, open, and loving therapy thru Cinema!
Yeah, it's rare that I gel so completely and quickly with someone on the level that we did. Excited for our next collaboration, brother.
You are now an Internet Dad
26:05 if you didn't cry from this scene then we have nothing to talk about.
In a movie that was centered around Dr. Strange, Tom Holland's Spiderman, and a reality warping spell breaking the multiverse they managed to give Andrew Garfield's Spiderman quite possibly the most deserved moment in modern cinema. He got to save the girl. I'm crying typing this out and I hope this scene never stops making me cry.
That scene made me cry even more than the scene where Gwen died and that’s truly saying something
Im rewatching it now, & just the scene at 17:45 makes me cry... HOW DARE THEY MAKE ME CRY MY OWN TEARS! lol
@@tonygoodwinjr9293 was that a dodgeball reference? lol "nobody makes me bleed my own blood"
"The costume represents something [...]. In those two days you understand it is an honor, and people dream to be in that position."
This is actually a sentiment that I always respected about the cosplay community when it comes to kids at conventions. All cosplayers seem to have this unspoken understanding that there are certain costumes you put on that require an unbreakable illusion for kids. I still remember the story about the Daenerys cosplayer who was mistaken for Elsa by a kid and immediately jumped into the role, and how a nearby Anna cosplayer played along and even helped them quickly braid their wig, all because kids kept coming up thinking she was Elsa. I think that's one of my favorite aspects of seeing movies made about superheroes, that idea of getting to bring that symbol to life for people in a very real way.
Kid : *mistakes cosplayer*
Cosplayer: "This is my life now"
I was cosplaying as a female venom (half and half), but my red hair was wild that day, so someone called me Carnage, and I just replied as Carnage would... "We're Venom, You Twat!" with the Southern Hill Billy accent and all. It was hilarious! 😎👍 Embraced the female Cletus Kasady character the rest of the convention. I won the unofficial cosplay award for most convincing actress. 🤣🤷
You guys should really cover “Treasure Planet” there’s so much good stuff going on in that tragically underrated film. Sure it could just be treasure island in space but the emotional stories they decided to add in are just so beautiful
This, I want what this person just said.
^^^ Yes!! Please! There are a lot of great themes to cover.
I'm always gonna have a soft spot for that movie
@@efoxkitsune9493 Yeah, me too ;w;
I need them to cover that movie, it's my old time favorite movie and my relationship with my father it's pretty much like the one that Jim has with his father.. Which makes the movie hard to watch at the same time that it makes it special when I feel down.
"At some point, I just stopped pulling my punches. I got rageful. I got bitter. I just don't want you to end up like me." Andrew Peter No Way Home.
You know he was so robbed of this incredible story of overcoming loss and grief because Sony just doesn't know how to handle Spider-Man. The MCU isn't perfect, sometimes their movies are too formulaic, but they did help with the Home trilogy and Spider-Man was redeemed in a lot of ways because of it. And I'd love to see a movie with a not so friendly Spider-Man. One that's darker, one that's tired, one that's just...kind of done. Peter SUFFERS in his life. The man can't seem to catch a break. But even despite all that, he gets up. He keeps going. And that's what I love about Spider-Man. He's us. Just with powers. But in the end, he's just....us.
Hm.
The wildest part about that quote is hearing it about 5-10 minutes after seeing AG's Peter literally catch a falling car with one hand while hanging from the other. Imagine that Spiderman pulling his punches. There'd be nothing left for the average guy. AG's Peter has to sit with that darkness, and it seems like he's only barely beginning to see his way out of it.
If you put out two mountains of shit, and then society steps in and denies you a 3rd, you weren't "robbed". You were stopped. Also what you're describing just isn't Spider-Man. You're whats wrong with the fans.
@@chand911 you okay buddy? wake up on the wrong side of the bed today? need a hug?
Would be interesting to speculate what happened in-between TASM2 and No Way Home, as he said things like 'he got bitter' and 'stopped pulling his punches' and dropped hints such as 'he never had the time to do Peter Parker stuff', I think he turned to the darkness completely and became full-time vigilante Spider-Man, probably living as a social recluse when he's not Spider-Man, and maybe he was even unemployed? Does he still live with Aunt May if this is the case? There are so many possibilities and spaces to explore the character, thus they must make TASM3!
“ There is a place for your Grief but your life can’t become grief “ That Really struck me I felt hopeless when several family members of mine died not to far apart from each other I felt bitter and Angry for a long time that really got to me ! Thanks to Cinema Therapy !! ❤️❤️
My sincere condolences for your family members.
@@criticaldrive7688 Thank you ❤
Andrew Garfield was the most powerful Spiderman for me. I never understood why it became cool to hate him. He has the best redemption story line I've ever seen. I loved this episode.
"Real heroism is 'I'm going to keep doing the right thing, and I'm going to keep being kind. And I'm not going to lose my decency just because I'm getting the s*** kicked out of me.'"
Mainly because the films he was in weren't very well plotted. Its a sad reality that often the actors get the hate for being in a badly told story even if their acting is great
Too soon after tobys spider and bad writing
@@boserboser6870 I honestly don't think they were that badly plotted. I think they suffered a bit in the edit, some of the dramatic connective tissue, especially involving the villains, got simplified in favor of action (some deleted scenes should maybe have been left in, because while they weren't essential for a coherent plot, they would have helped give weight and context to character motivations), but they still work. I honestly think Sony should talk to Marc Webb about the possibility of a director's cut of both movies. I'd love to know what that would look like, as I know he didn't have a whole lot of control over the theatrical cuts. Even if it ends up with a The Batman-length TASM2 (or close to it), that might be what's best for that movie in terms of narrative flow.
I used to study teaching and people really underestimate the sheer effort and tenacity you have to have for the profession. Even when the kids are not only being brats but just plain cruel to either other students or yourself, it's hard. Really hard. The fact that you got through the whole year and still have that hope of choosing to be kind is incredible. Even if you end up doing something else or life kicks you a couple too many times, you have the privilege of knowing what many will never know of getting through that year in your life with kindness. Remember that hard year because if you can get through one, who's to say you couldn't get through another. It is a thankless job quite often, but guess what stranger? Thank you for your hard work and kindness. You'll be okay.
Thank you for your work. Without teachers I wouldn't be a paramedic and nurse. We owe all our lives to the education you bring to the world.
“He's trying to do everything right. He's juggling this world that is falling apart around him. The worst outcomes are happening. You as a person what motivations do you have to continue doing what you believe is right, if your life is falling apart. Whether you save the city or don't save the city, if you are losing yourself in the process, that's a really hard place to stay strong from. It would destroy anyone” .... This hit me more than I can say
I love that Alan can cry and be like "it's totally ok". And sometimes when he cries I cry too. I love the chemistry between these guys. And I also love to hear their opinions on different movies 😄
Sometimes when I need to cry and it feels stuck I come to watch these videos and Am and crying always helps.
@@Avril. Sometimes all you need is a good cry. And sometimes it's not cause you're feeling sad but just because you need a cry. I do the same. If I just wanna cry I either watch like sad clips or I come to their videos and cry with Alan
I remember reading somewhere (this channel?) someone's grandmother describing crying like "when you have sorrow it's like carrying a thick blanket soaked in water. When you squeeze out the water, it's still a burden, but not so heavy to bear". As good a description of crying/relief as I've heard.
@@bravehome4276 I agree with you! That description is really amazing and so true!
Alan is very compassionate and possibly an empath, man's clearly is a hero with a tender heart, but he likes to deny it which I can relate lol
The fact that Andrew didn't attempt to catch MJ with his net, like Toby did for his MJ and Tom for the girl from the first movie (don't remember her name >__
the scene with Spidey catching MJ hit me so hard i legit cried all the way home from the theater… and then some more. he wrapped his entire body around her like “if i cant land this she’ll still be safe, peter is never gonna know this pain” 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I just remember screaming, 'there's three Spidermen, for God's sake somebody save her, please!'
And of course it was Andrew's Peter who immediately reacts first, not that Tobey didn't care but Andrew's Peter knows, he knows that grief. He's gonna get there if it kills him.
@@secretlyadragon4723 totally agree with you! It's not that Tobey's Spider-Man hadn't seen it first but it's the fact that Andrew's Spider-Man has played that scenario in his head probably a hundred times, a scenario where he does something sooner or slightly different and saves Gwen so when MJ is falling he knows exactly how to grab her and how to land so she'll be safe
I never saw the amazing spidemans and it still gets me
That’s apparently the scene that sold the movie to Garfield when he was going through the script.
@@alexman378 really?
When I watched Andrew's spider-man movies, I was impressed against my will. That part when he's just devasted after Gwen's death, it hurt me too. It was beautifully acted by both actors (Emma and Andrew), because I grieve for the loss of a brilliant soul and that Pete had lost so much.
Later reading a bunch of fanfics, I realized that's Pete's quality: how good he remains even after tragedies.
Gwen'e death broke m14 year old me
@@theoutsiderjess1869 yeah, it's like why good People die too soon? 🙁
I remember hate watching the first movie like "no one gonna be like mi childhood spidey" and being taken aback by how awesome it was.
GLAD ANDREW IS GETTING THE LOVE AND RESPECT FOR HIS SPIDER-MAN!!!
Absolutely!! He's always been amazing in my eyes
Honestly, I feel like Andrew's Spider-Man is the one whose story is least resolved, because while I do agree with what you said in the scene where he saved MJ, I think it also shows the signs of him still not being over it, because of how easily he did save her, it was so quick and sudden with how quickly she was out of danger, and then it lingers, I think that emotion behind his part of the scene is also a little bit of thinking about how easy it could have been to save her, and I get the feeling from the scene that he's thought about all the little mistakes he made thousands of times and how he could've done things differently, and then possibly feeling like he proved himself right when he saved Zendaya MJ, with also that little hint of closure.
But besides just that, I also get the feeling that if we see more of him in the MCU, or his own continuation movie, that we'd see a lot more of him overcoming and managing his anger, and gradually learning to love again with his own MJ, as it's hinted at in the lab scene, that he's the only one who doesn't have an MJ, I think it'd be tough to find the right casting for an MJ for Andrew Spidey, specifically one that wouldn't just constantly be compared to Emma Stone's Gwen, but it'd be nice to see this character, if not have a happy ending, then at least move to a happier and healthier place in his life, as it seems to be implied that he's the only one who never really got that, when even Tobey's Spidey did, after everything that happened and how low he went in Spider-Man 3, it'd be nice to see a good depiction of a story that's closer to what Spidey had in the comics, which is he loses Gwen and after a grieving period, grows to love again with MJ, as it'd be an opportunity to explore how difficult it is to open up again after losing a loved one, and also show the healing process, and how reconnecting with people can be a very healthy way of dealing with grief, even if there isn't a follow up romance.
I mean, think about it, Andrew's Spidey, is the only one who has no outlet or anyone to trust with the information that he's Spider-Man, not since Gwen, and I don't recall, but I'm fairly sure I don't remember his Aunt May knowing anything about or figuring out his secret. I think the perfect way to wrap his character up in a healthy way, would be learning to balance reconnecting with people, with super-hero life. But that's just me.
Well said. Although it’s hinted in tasm2 that Aunt May does know with the way she talks to Peter closer towards the end of the film but she just doesn’t want him to know that she knows
@@peterparker3668 Yes, but even if she knows, if he doesn't know she knows, then he'll never talk to her about it directly.
I don't think Andrew will get his MJ. That's not how multiverse works. In the comics there also were different versions of Spider-Man, but I don't think even one of them got to have Gwen AND MJ. And we have to remember that MCU is based on the comics afterall.
I know they won't give it to us, but I now need this in my life. 😭
I ain’t reading all that but congratulations or sorry that happened
Honestly, that scene where he saves MJ is also a redemption moment for his lifelong regret of not saving Gwen - he gets a second shot at saving the girl and this time he gets it right. Sometimes we can learn to forgive ourselves by being able to help someone else in the same situation where we previously failed ourselves. It doesn't fix the past, but it gives us hope for the future.
yeah thats how i see it - his redemption. i think it helps him to forgive himself too because he learnt from his previous failure and actually succeeded this time, rather than repeating his mistakes
I gotta stop reading these comments. Making me wanna cry my eyes out more than the video.
Oh really?????? .-.
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I love that the Saving MJ scene in No Way Home hits hard even if you haven’t watched any other Spiderman movies. You can completely understand the emotions he is going through from the few pieces of dialogue we get about Gwen prior to it. Andrew Garfield is so good at acting, man-
18:29 Editor Sophie's cutaway to Omar, the stunt guy who has to mentally/physically take a beating for a living, asking Alan, the sensitive kind gentle giant of a filmmaker tearing up at Andrew Garfield's performance, the same question Johnathan the THERAPIST, who is high pitched giggling maniacally at the whole situation, would have asked, just perfectly encapsulates what kind video this is, and I well & truly appreciate everyone & every one video this channel puts out, along with Mended Light, the other channel. Omar's welcome to come back anytime in my book.
Thank you for your truly kind words 🙂 It was an amazing honor to join them on their couch and I don’t take it for granted
I've been severely depressed as of late, but that Gwen speech... God, it hit me really hard. It's exactly what I needed to hear right now. Thank you, Cinema Therapy guys, you give people hope when life seems hopeless.
Also, "... every time it happens, you are given a choice, and the choice is to fall down or get up, or to stay down or get up. And every single time you have to make that decision. And it's not easy, but every time you get up, you're going to be thankful that you did, and you're going to be stronger because of it."
Thank you, Omar. Thank you for saying this. You're making a difference
I was thinking the same thing while listening to it.
I don't know what's possible for you. I know that if you live in the USA, mental healthcare is expensive. Please, if it's at all possible, get help. I've been where you are, I just spent months in a mental institution (voluntarily) for depression and anxiety. It feels impossible but life can get better. It's not supposed to be this hard. It will get easier. If you need to talk, I'm here.
If Alan cries one more time (like he won't?), I will have to come on as an emotional support fan. And honestly, having Omar get choked up at one point along with Alan's tears sent me over the emotional cliff. All three of you were so great in this episode. This is what we love about you guys. Bring Omar on again and keep up the good work.
Sophie is geniuely the funniest person please let her continue editing like this.
She's definitely incredible! I was fortunate enough to meet her in person while I was there and she is just as funny in person as her editing jokes are 🙌🏻
So Imma drop something very personal.
I struggled with suicidal issues for years, and I'm always trying to be positive and trying to cope with this poison but my biggest inspiration is Spider-Man, a character who has more than enough reason to take his own life but he keeps getting back up regardless, and I'm talking about all the spider people but Peter is who I connect with the most, so when I'm in those days where I'm hurting so much I watch the movies(all of them) and it helps so much.
This is such the perfect match for Spidey! I stand by it Hero/Villain psychology is the cream of the butter popcorn on this channel 🕷🕸
Last time I was this early the bots still found me 😅😅. Well I'm definitely in the first 150 comments then.
Agreed, you can really sense Peter's anguish over losing Gwen, but luckily was able to forgive himself years later by saving MJ from the same fate.
"I'm just Omar" sir you were Spider-Man and the fact is- you stunt doubled in that suit. Guess what? You helped to inspire people. That makes a hero to me.
I have to disagree with people saying "Oh Tom's the best Peter, Andrew's the best spidey." because i truly think Andrew Garfield did an amazing job of both. (don't get me wrong, Tom Holland and Tobey Maguire were great too)
nah, you're getting it wrong. what those people say is that TOBEY is the best peter, Andrew is the best spidey, and Tom is the one to have achieved both well. but from that argument, I've seen ppl saying this in terms of what they've read in the comics. TBH, i personally find it hard to compare them becuz they all bring something completely different to spider-man AND peter parker so i honestly feel like its useless to compare them cuz they all tackled the character very differently
Yes. The tone of tasm is much different than the other two, as the other two are much different than each other. Tasm films are much much heavier. And Andrew played both of them flawlessy.
They are films. Inspired by the themes and tones of the comics. They are not supposed to be necessarily compared to the comics. They are fantastic films and the acting on all parts was great. For someone like me who is a cinema nerd and has never read a comic in my life, but understands the concept and the culture, these films are absolutely fantastic.
"Yes, you can... Put on the mask, Jack"
Remember, one of the most poignant things about the character has been that whole psychology of the mask...
"Spiderman can be *ANYONE* ..." .Working it into the scene this way is honestly a bit of a tearjerker to me.
Spiderman can't be anyone. Were you bitten by the radioactive spider or nah
@@user-wo3yd5ke4s I suggest you look up Stan Lee's comments on the creation of Spider-Man, if that's how you're gonna come at this conversation---
@@abigails4088 i was being silly. I suggest you lighten up--
@@user-wo3yd5ke4s apologies ^_^ I wasn't intending to come across particularly aggressively. There is just so much damned negativity on this platform lately (yay, society---) that I just fired from the hip >.>
@@user-wo3yd5ke4s oop, forgot to +1 BOTH of your posts, sorry XD
Gwen's death was just a superbly done scene😭💔 Tears, everytime.
I haven't seen the movie, but I don't understand what killed her. The fall all by itself? She didn't hit the ground.
@@be6715 Her head hits the ground
@@be6715The back of her head whiplashed into the ground as Peter caught her. He was just a tad too late.
@@simphiwe4930 thanks!
@@deon700 thanks!
In no way home I think there are a couple of powerful moments. Like Andrew's spiderman saving MJ and Toby's spiderman standing in front of green goblin.
I do like how each spiderman has that different but similar heavy moments. It pushes them forward. I do like how when Stan Lee first came up with him people weren't sure it was going to sell.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one!
@Bully Maguire 🅥 HES BACK GO AWAY
I haven't watched the andrew garfield movies since they came out but watching no way home instantly brought back such strong emotions. Really crazy how evocative his performance is years later
The moment I finished watching TASM I realised Andrew is my favourite spiderman and TASM is favourite spiderman movie. I still don't know now why some people had hated it . The way Andrew connects emotionally with us through his acting is amazing. I call him the emotional spider-man. And man.. Emma's acting was fantanstic . The whole performance of Andrew when Gwen died in his arms oh god , that had me bawling my eyes out. I wanna give him an oscar for that scene.
Friends and I have a breakdown. Tobey was the best Peter. He played dorky smart Peter perfectly. Andrew was the best Spider-Man. He played snarky confident Spidey perfectly. Tom is a good blend of both. He's not the best Peter and he's not the best Spider-Man, but he's the best mix of both.
@@WalkerRileyMC yeah... I've heard that before too... Peter Parker in the comics and cartoons was always a nerdy awkward kid... But as Spider-Man, with the mask on, he was able to be more confident and snarky, with those fabulous quips and one-liners to the bad guys.... Tobey's Spider-Man was missing the quips and snark... But Andrew's Spider-Man had the best quips and snark and one-liners... like he was best representation of Spider-Man from the comics.... but Andrew's Peter Parker was too cool and not awkward enough... Tom brings that geeky awkwardness to Peter Parker and he's got some great quips and snark and one-liners....
The one thing I loved about Tobey's Spider-Man that I wished they had kept with both Andrew's & Tom's versions is the organic web-shooters... I know in the comics that Peter makes his own webbing and web-shooters (and there a lot of funny moments of Peter running out of webbing) but I gotta say from a genetics/biology standpoint... if this were real and Peter was genetically altered to have Spider Abilities... It just makes sense to me that he'd have organic web-shooters in his wrists... I remember there being a lot of online chatter about people complaining about that aspect of Tobey's Spider-Man not having to make his own webbing/web-shooters (my dad included) but once people saw it in the movie, it just makes sense.
Garfield’s scene in TASM 2 when Gwen died traumatized me so much I never watched it again. He was that good.
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I don't think having the webbing come out of the wrist is supported by real spiders either. In that light it would make more sense if he had webbing come out a new organ near his rear and then created a wrist-mounted dispenser for it after somehow harvesting it.
Personally, I think it's a cool inclusion for that particular version as it gives him a distinctly spider-based power (other arthropods have similar senses and relative strength). But I also like the tech-based webs since it means one of his powers is reliant on his intelligence and ingenuity. He has to science up one of his most important tools in a garage on a shoe-string budget.
I literally watch these so I can cry and to have background at work sometimes. Thank you, for breaking me and helping me feel something.
You're so welcome!
Omar knocked this out of the park. John-o is great, but Omar had some great words of wisdom. And Omar and allen had fun movie nerd talk. Great video! One of my favorites! Everyone did a great job!
Omar is awesome, and we loved having him join us for this episode! Such a genuine and talented guy.
Thank you so much for your incredibly kind words! It was a true honor and joy to sit down with these amazing people 🙂
Oh absolutely! I'm definitely going to rewarch haha
You have to see that aunt may was amazing in this as well. She didn't suddenly decide to put Ben's things away right then. She saw her surrogate son suffering from a loss and instead of talking to him about it and giving platitude or saying I know what you're feeling and trying to relate; she does something. She thinks what does Peter need to learn or hear and how can I relay that to him, by doing it herself.
There was no way she was thinking about putting Ben's things away until then. Her grief for his death was still ongoing and by stepping up and being peters mother figure she helps in her own healing as well as his.
Andrew Garfield has always been my favorite of the Spider Men and it is everything to have his performance and these movies reviewed and praised by the Internet Dads. His acting is so poignant and he radiates joy in the suit.
Oh is that what he was supposed to be radiating.
@@chand911 you're so bitter lol try forming an intelligent observation for once.
While the TASM movies had their problems, I love how this was able to draw out some of the best parts of both the filmmaking, the acting, and the writing. Having grown up reading Spider-man in the 80's, I had a pretty solid grasp on it all, so when Gwen had her fall in the clocktower, I knew what was coming. I also knew it was necessary as the tragedy added a few important things to the world here. It showed he couldn't always win. Bad things can still happen to a hero no matter how hard he tries. And overcoming the loss and grief built character in how he perceived being a superhero.
To that end, Andrew Garfield did an outstanding job with the role. As a "Peter Parker" he did the best he could, though the writing wasn't great. As Spider-man he was phenomenal. As the balance between the two I have no complaints and we saw just how amazing (pun intended) an actor he was with the right material for No Way Home.
He deserved all the accolades and more.
I'm here for the Andrew Garfield appreciation. It's great to see his talent being appreciated.
That moment when Andrew's Peter saves MJ is E V E R Y T H I N G. It's the perfect kind of bookend for the character, it's his redemption (in his own eyes, because nobody else would have blamed him), it's just such a perfect moment for him. And Andrew plays it FLAWLESSLY. I weep every single time.
Knowing Andrew Garfield used to play with kids behind the scenes, in the spiderman suit, just makes everything better. Yet another reason why I adore Andrew Garfield
I'm a massive fan of Tom's Spider-man. I love pretty much everything they've done with that franchise. That being said, there will always be something about Andrew's portrayal of that character that is so so special. I think it has to do with the emotion and range he gave in those two films. He's my favorite Spider-man for sure.
Spider-Man taught me no matter how great the pain, you keep moving.. Hope's not something everyone can hold on to, there's some situations where it's back to back levels of hell but if you just keep going eventually you'll come to a better place.
Anyone can be Spidey under the mask but it takes an extreme level of resilience to keep the faith that it'll get better and that's why I love the character so much.
It’s doing the right thing even when it is hard. That’s what being a hero is. Standing alone to do good won’t always be the most popular but it’s what’s right.
So since we are talking about masks and costumes. I am a cosplayer and I can't deny that every time i put on a costume or the mask of it, it really does change your way of being a little. Like the guy said you stand up taller. You feel more free, more out of your shell. For me it makes me leagues more confident and assured of myself to be in costume especially when it's a character that is a confident person. It's truly a spectacular feeling and thing that happens
Specially cause people love seeing the costumes. It makes your absolute day to see a kid or adult just light up visibly at what ya did. For just that moment ya feel like a super hero ya self
I’ve seen a bunch of people hating on the Amazing Spider-Man films but I love them so much. Andrew Garfield is an amazing actor and, while he carries the series, I enjoyed almost every moment of those films
Ever since I saw both ASM in theaters Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man has been my favorite, and one I could personally relate to, not with superheroics or loss, but with his peter’s personality and mannerisms. I’m so happy people giving him his due now and recognizing his impact.
Also, as 30 year old male it makes me feel good seeing grown men shed tears and know it’s ok. It’s ok, to feel emotionally charged with something you like and express oneself. It always felt “taboo” when I’d tear up during this stuff, because that’s “not what men do”. Thank you guys
The hole "finding a place for grief" part really hit close to home for me...
I used to be (and still am in a way) a fan of technoblade...
a minecraft youtuber who had incridable humor, mad skills, and most of all he always cared about his fans and about people around him
unfortunetly... about a week ago he passed away due to cancer
and this video reflected a lot of what i felt...
rest in peace techno
I love the fact you guys are reacting to Spider-Man, specifically Andrew's Spider-man, because to me he was the most realistic in the sense he was a bit more relatable. Especially with how Andrew delivered his performance as Spider-Man so well, yet was overlooked because of some of the writing. I still feel like he deserved to have a part 3 of his Spider-Man just to show us what truly happened to him after he lost Gwen, granted it was hinted but there's def. something more there.
Agreed. And one reason I particularly like Andrew's Spiderman and the angst that he brings is that his origin story has parallels to Bruce Wayne (minus being a billionaire). They both lost their parents very young in traumatic/mysterious circumstances, they had both suffered an incredible amount of grief and loss in their lives, and they both use Spiderman/Batman to fill that void and try to affect change with it. Obviously, Spiderman isn't nearly as jaded and consumed as Batman (until it's hinted with Andrew's Spiderman after losing Gwen) and makes the choice to see the good and find moments of joy in it. Once I saw that parallel I couldn't unsee it and really adds more layers of nuance for me to his character and Andrew's performance.
@@jfox8600 Holy crap you're right. I'm a fan of Batman and didn't even catch that. Nice call
All three actors who played Spider-Man are amazing in their own right. I think that Andrew Garfield has always been my favourite due to his comedic timing and acting chops. Most of his memorable lines were ad-libbed (tiny knives). I just think he had way too many villains to fight (always a bad sign, unless it's an ensemble) and was too "real in the feels" for people.
Grief is difficult and we all deal with it in different ways.
I also love the fact that all you guys were crying; that's how powerful and relatable it is.
Great episode, as always, and thanks Omar for adding to this episode!
Andrew is my favourite Spider-Man. Always has been, always will be. I’m conflicted that now people are finally starting to appreciate him after No Way Home. I’m glad but also frustrated. I think “where the hell were you lot when he was getting unfairly criticised left right and centre?!”
Him actually dumping the popcorn on Omar in the end is such a dad thing. Like, the subtle "I'm just gonna escalate a little bit" thing made me chuckle.
22:25- you know, I've never really felt Spiderman was relatable to me before this. Usually you don't see the superheros loved ones abandon them or leave them for someone else, typically they would die in some tragic way. But this hit too close to home for me.
After years of pain and emotional wreckage, eventually you’ll realize that people are the universal lifeline that inevitably will keep you alive. Helping people helps you survive.
The "Put on the mask, it'll make you strong" has a lot of the same energy as the lines in Spider-verse about "It always fits eventually" and "Anyone can wear the mask. *You* can wear the mask." Sometimes you just need that little confidence boost to get you going forward.
I think it was a pretty cool choice for them to say that he stopped pulling his punches, that basically means he murdered a bunch of villains, or at best gave them crippling injuries.
Please, please, do EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE (2022).
Amazing movie, I'm sure Alan will cry and Jono will love the philosophy behind it.
Movie is about family, determinism, nihilism, and finding meaning and stablishing connections. Plus, the action and effects are truly amazing.
This is far and away my favorite Spider-Man portrayal. Andrew nails both the quick humor and the real sense of sorrow that is under everything.
I love Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man so much
Watching Gwen's death always brings me to the brink of tears. It's my go-to for when I want to be depressed. And I was as close to crying as Amazing Peter was when he saved MJ at the Statue of Liberty. Just watching those few seconds here had tears welling up in my eyes. Andrew acted the hell out of both of those scenes.
I always just wanna reach through the screen and give Alan a hug when he cries…and I always cry with him #cryingwithalan ❤️
I was a high school senior when ASM2 came out. I was in the longest and best relationship I've ever been in, and right before prom, graduation and college she moved away... That was the lowest point I have ever been emotionally in my life. To then go and watch ASM2... man a lot of people didn't like it, but it means so much to me. Gwen's death scene devastates me every time, I have to look away before she hits the ground. Seeing Andrew Garfield cry his heart out was what I needed, to know that a guy was allowed to show emotion, to grieve, it helped me so much. Getting to see him have that second chance, to bookend his tragedy... it hit me so hard - I bawled my eyes out.
It's very personal, but that's why he's my Spider-Man.
I remember I was working in a gaming store and my boss was a huge Spiderman fan, we connected over comicbooks. He was teased for liking Amazing Spiderman by almost everyone but me. We just connected and it created such an amazing workplace for gamers and comic book nerds. So many inside jokes happened and that movie gave me an amazing friend, who I have adored to this day his actions and caring nature was so very Spiderman without being a physical hero. He was still a hero to me and saved me so many times.
1:10 the difference reactions between a friend(Omar) and a bestfriend(John) to Alan enjoying a good story 😂😂
1:20 in and i'm already crying!!!! darn you, Andrew Garfield!! lol
don't worry, Alan. We'll get thru this together!
Every time Alan cries, I cry 😂
Andrew Garfield did a talk show after his mother died and he said something that has stuck with me:
Grief is unexpressed love.
It stuck with me because it’s such a beautiful way to deal with something that can be so horrible.
In a flashback in God of War Ragnarok Kratos's wife Faye says something similar. "To grieve deeply is to have loved fully."
Talking about regression, I remember something with The Punisher in the comics they did. They were showing what it was like in Veitnam for him. In there, him and his squad started getting a rep for men who went too far. They killed, did terrible things, were just absolutely brutal. So a new CO was brought in to try to bring them in line and they got frustrated with this CO constantly holding them back and threating punishment for what they were doing... so... they set him up so the enemy would have a clear shot at the CO and he would die. And it worked. Then Frank comments something like, "I can't wait to be out of this hell hole. Get back to my wife and just live normally again so I don't have to do this crap any more."
It was, I think, a good set up in that it shows that Frank Castle was always a violent nut job who does what he thinks is right at the expense of others. It wasn't something that just came out of him when his wife and kid was killed but instead he repressed this inner monster when he was with them. Tried to be a normal person. But when what grounded him was destroyed... he went back to that monster again and started doing like he used to back in 'nam.
I love that MJ asked Andrew's Spiderman if he's okay when she saw his reaction.
THE WEBBING SHAPED INTO A LITTLE HAND AS IT TRIES TO CATCH GWEN- *IT STILL GETS ME*
Every. Time. 😭
@@CinemaTherapyShow You should do theraphy for anime characters. I'd especially love your thoughts on Fate zero
Something that I find goes unnoticed No Way Home is when Garfield's Spiderman saves MJ. Everything is stopping everyone from that world's MJ to be saved. Ned tried grabbing her but she slipped away; Holland's Spiderman got stopped by Green Goblin, but even when all the debris is falling all around them Garfield's Spiderman pushes this rebar 26:19 out of the way. He lost so many people and Gwen was the straw that broke his back. This scene was too familiar. MJ was going to survive because history can't repeat itself. Spiderman needs the people he loves and cares about. Spiderman needs his daily dose of hope. Garfield's Spiderman loved Gwen. He may have put her stuff in a different place but I'm sure he was fixated on her death for a very long time just replaying all the things he could have done differently. Fortunately, this time it did.
She was okay. And now he's on the path to being okay.
Another thing I just realized watching this video is that the scene where he tries to save Gwen reflects when he tries to save Jack on the bridge. It worked before but not this time. Gwen fell further and has more mass than a child, the force of gravity would not be dispersed as well with one line of webbing. I think of it like how you can sleep on a bed of nails and not get hurt because your weight is dispersed. When he saves MJ he grabs her using his own momentum and body as a cushion.
Not letting myself become bitter and hopeless even though the battle is hard and still ongoing. Yep...I needed this today. Thanks, guys.
Grief and loss is such a hard thing to dealt with. I lost my six year old cat last week and it left a huge emptiness inside. It still makes me cry to see her pictures and I always missed her presence in the house but yeah, it will heal soon. She is in a better place now. Thank you for the video.
Also can I suggest? Can you please react to SpyxFamily? It's a twelve episode anime about a found family. It's not common today to have an anime or a tv show tackles about found family and I think you two will give a good insight of the story
That scene when he saves MJ, yes, that's all of us weeping.
It's such a good scene gave everyone an Amazing Spider-Man flashback.
The Amazing Spiderman will always be one of my favorites bc it's not just an origin story of how he got his powers but also of how he actually became a hero and used them for good. He doesn't say he's spiderman until after he saved that kid, that was when he actually became spiderman, not when he was bit
"Do not downplay this" is probably one of the big lessons we all have to learn
Shout out to Cinema Therapy. You guys are just the right amount of logical and emotional that I need right now. With the state of the world right now and so many crazy, scary, sad things happening in the US, having a little mental health time by watching movies with you helps me to have some hope in our future. Thank you for all the hard work you do and stay well.
Also, I know it might be a swing in the dark, but my favorite movie of all time is Inherit the Wind made in 1960. There are a ton of themes in that film that I’m shocked to see still prevalent today, so it would be interesting to see both of your takes on it. Not to mention I think it has some of the best acting I’ve ever seen. Alan is right when he says the best visual effects are the actors faces because that is 90% of the movie and it’s amazing.
Thanks again for your consideration. ❤️
Andrew Garfield is such an incredible actor and I loved hearing you all say that. He fit the role of Spider-Man so perfectly, he's always been my favorite.
The spiderman journey and motivation has resonated with me since I was a kid reading boy's life in the 90s. I get all the feels with the loss of Gwen Stacy due to losing my first relationship to self demise so y'all covering this character and the emotional journey really validates the rage I fought and still find echos of in my life today.
I recently lost my grandpa after taking care of him fore the past couple of years due to alzheimers, he and my grandma were more of my parents since my real parents left me when I was born. So now that they're both gone, loads of memories I had of them raising me after looking at photos my grandma used to take when I was young came flooding in.
The house is quiet now and I honestly feel empty. I wish they could've stayed longer but they grew older and weaker despite everything I did to take care of them. That feeling of "I could've did better take take care of my grampa" will linger till I die. Dealing with grief will take awhile but that scar will forever remain.
Praying for you!
Wierd connection but this video helped me a bit. When you said that you can't get stuck in the grief and you have to put it where it belongs, I think I needed to hear that. My boyfriend left for navy bootcamp 3 weeks ago but he's coming back in 5 weeks. He has been through so much hell, both medically and emotionally. I've been struggling with not being able to be there for him and not being able to see him. I suppose I need to move on with my life and do things to better myself instead of moping around feeling sorry for myself
1) I love this series of Psychology of a Hero/Villain series! It's a deep dive into what motivates characters and helps audience understand them.
2) 18:30 when the camera shows Alan's face then cuts to Jonathan silently laughing cracks me up. I kept rewinding that clip over and over.
3) Jonathan's slip of Addition instead of Addiction was funny.
Many laughs (and tears) were had in the making of this video!
You know what hits home the most in this video? Whenever someone had tears in their eyes, Jonathan started laughing.
One might call it classic therapist, but it's actually overcompensation, but that just on a sidenote. :3 great video as always
Man...I got through the whole vid without tears...but that f*ing face Andrew Garfield is doing after asking MJ, if she's okay...bro...this will always break me 😭
Still not my favorite spider-man but NWH made me care for him. All three spider-man did such a great job!
6:46 Another good example of the "emoting through a helmet" thing is halo's master chief. Not the show where he spends 90% of his screentime without a helmet (or sometimes clothes 🙄), but the games, particularly halo 4, 5 and infinite. The mocap guys and animators do a phenomenal job of expressing this broken man without ever taking off his helmet.
The scene where he saved the kid from the van is just so surreal and emotionally touching
You guys were all VIBING HARD in this episode. He felt like Alan and Jonathan had merged into one person that beautifully bounced off both of you. Hope he comes back some day
omar zaki was amazing on this channel and we need to see him again here!!!
Thank you so much for the kind words! I loved every second 🙏🏻 They have created something truly special here
I know most of this video is talking about how great Andrew is and I 100% agree, but can we take a moment to acknowledge Tom's expressions while Andrew's Spider-Man is talking about losing Gwen? The way Tom takes in what Andrew is saying and feels it in his body, as if he can relate because he's imagined what it would be like to lose MJ a thousand times in his own mind. The way you can see his hard swallow as he tries to keep himself together, and goes back to breathing threw his mouth? All of that is so real, it's amazing acting. They all did such a good job.
Watching Jono laugh at Omar asking Alan how he's doing made me cackle out loud
That part killed me 😂
That’s what makes Spider-Man so personal I think, so relatable. Every iteration is steeped in loss it makes his story sooooo human.