FUN FACT: Sega didn't pick these levels for Generations. It was the fans. Sega made a total poll of what stages the fans wanted to see the most in each game. And as a result, the fans REALLY loved those city stages lol I agree, there were WAY TOO MANY city levels. I know Sega wanted to be nice and listen to everyone's request. But even then, they should have tone down the amount of cities being used. None the less, everything was still beautiful. Now that Sonic X Shadow Generations is getting season pass DLCs, hopefully they'll include more stages. For both Sonic and Shadow. Like everyone else, I'm so damn amazed that Sega never did give Generations more stage DLCs with the original game. What a miss opportunity. Well, better late than never.
So, basically we got either the most popular or most advertised levels. I’d figured the moment we got a lot of city-themed levels. I had hoped for something more diversified.
It's unfortunate because despite the city oversaturation, I can't realistically cut a single one of the city stages because I think most of them are the best and most iconic choices. Speed Highway, City Escape, Crisis City and Rooftop Run are reasonably THE stages of their respective games.
Secret Rings and Black Knight were in the voting but they forgot those games :( also if people voted for a different Sonic 2 level do you think that level would have been over used instead of Chemical Plant
@@PikachuGamerSMT Yeah! I've heard about that! In fact, I've heard they felt so bad leaving them out, so instead, Sega decided to let Sonic reference Secret Rings and Black Knight as one oh his past adventures. It was a nice touch lol
I love how Sonic Generations was a DLC goldmine that was never capitalized on. I can see it so vividly. - Classic Sonic DLC Pack - Sonic Bosses DLC Pack - Sonic Dreamcast DLC Pack - Sonic Handheld DLC Pack - Modern Sonic DLC Pack - Sonic Storybook DLC Pack - Fans Pick DLC Pack Also it would've been so cool seeing levels from spin-offs reworked into levels. Imagine Babylon Garden from Sonic Riders (Zero Gravity) as a level.
I know it’s completely unreasonable but I would have loved if the Colors stage was basically hopping from attraction to attraction destroying the tractor beam generators
That couldve been sick, reminds me of when i played Gens as a kid and wished that the death egg robot boss fight was instead a mini boss rush of all Eggmans final machines from 1 2 and 3
All the stages in Sonic Generations were chosen due to polls, the most popular stage from each game was the one chosen to represent the game (excluding Sonic Colors if I'm not mistaken, that was Iizuka's choice because Colors still wasn't released at the time, since it was released just 1 year prior to Generations, but just like you, I think he made a really good choice imho), that's why I think Crisis City was chosen instead of Kingdom Valley However, I do agree that Kingdom Valley would be a more logical pick, not only it's one of the best designed levels in 06 (with all 06's merits), and has a cool aesthetic, it's also a stage that REPRESENTS 06, it's in the boxart AND title screen, but I do think Crisis City alongside Kingdom Valley is a stage that's highlighted by the way it is
Oh yeah i remember hearing about that now that you mention it… i also remember secret rings was in one of those polls, i think Sand Oasis was the winner making it a scrapped stage
Understandable though cause the stages themselves were nothing to write home about, I remember going back and S ranking everything in that game a few years back and it was a very 6/10 experience
I'd rather see unrepped games get stages, honestly. Yes Rush wasn't repped in the original but every other game that version covered did get a stage, plus they do have Radical Highway and Biolizard preserved in the remaster at least. I'd be more upset if they actually were able to use all handheld game stages in that version because that'd be 7 more potential stages for the base game
I do think the 3DS method of pulling old levels piece for piece could work though. Mania did it and everyone loved that, it would only fit more in a time travel game tbh
@@mondopatrickalthough it might seem bad, it would just be great to add stages for more play time on base gens is also what a lot of sonic fans are looking for.
Funny story, I've heard that Sega allegedly wanted to add Wacky Workbench to the game as DLC, but eventually dropped the idea of DLC stages altogether. Pretty stupid decision in my opinion...
It should've been two stages per game, tbh. Really hope SXS Generations adds in DLC for the main game similar to Frontiers. Even Add Some stages from future games before Frontiers. Lost World: Sky Road - Considering how Generic Lost World's level themes are, why not compile every zone into one. That's what Sky Road was... Minus Tropical Coast and Lava Mountain... but still Mania: Studiopolis - I just want to see that stage in 3D. I can only imagine how beautiful it'll look. Forces: Sunset Heights/Ghost Town - Just like Kingdom Valley for 06, Sunset Heights is the PERFECT rep for the game. A longer and more difficult version of the stage is always welcome alongside pushing the "Cinematic Aspect" Forces attempted to do with the boost formula.
I mean, there could be, and probably will be more than the 3 areas in shadow gens that we've been shown. There's still shadow the hedgehog to be represented. So I think there will be more areas that we haven't been shown yet.
I never understood the "too many city stages" problems in generations. They all stand apart very well. I dont even consider Crisis City a City level because its more of a typically lava stage
“The whole cities’ on fire” Naw, ‘Crisis City’ for a reason. The entire level is in a hellscaped-city… 06 had Flamecore, which is the actual lava-land kinda level. I definitely think one of these city levels could’ve been cut, maybe Rooftop Run. (City Escape’s remix is TOO GOOD)
Yeah, I agree that Crisis City didn't feel like a "city" level to me. The fire tornado setpiece at the end of Act 1 is iconic, especially with the signpost flying away from you. And the music slaps (well, that's true of much of '06's music, to be fair). Speed Highway though...yeah. I wish they'd picked Lost World instead (the level, not the game, obviously).
So imma make 2 rules for myself, no picking stages you picked, and no picking stages that appeared in Generations, Generations 3DS, or Shadow Generations. --- Sonic 1 - Marble Zone --- I feel like they could really refine the aspects of Marble Zone that don’t work to have it flow better. Sonic CD - Tidal Tempest Zone --- It’s one of the few Water Stages in gaming I actually enjoy, plus it’s a sunken volcano with ancient ruins.. come on, that’s cool. Sonic 2 - Metropolis Zone --- I understand this is a controversial pick, but for some reason, I’ve just always kinda liked how brutal this stage was, the gears, the tubes, the badniks, honestly feels like a stage that could be something truly special. Sonic 3&K - Death Egg Zone --- Thinking about it, the Death Egg is barely used anymore, so why not take the chance for something special, especially as a 3D stage. Sonic Adventure - Lost World --- I find this stage rarely or never brought up in conversation, which I find strange, it’s a lost temple with Zelda like dungeon puzzles that still feel like a faster paced Sonic stage, that’s honestly pretty cool and unique. Sonic Adventure 2 - Metal Harbor --- Honestly there just weren’t any stages for Sonic that were usable, it came down to this, Green Forest & Crazy Gadget, but after some thought, I picked this. Sonic Heroes - Egg Fleet --- Yeah, I chose the fleet of Eggman Warships, I figured a stage like this could open up a lot of possibilities for stage design. Sonic ‘06 - Radical Train --- If it’s not Kingdom Valley, then it’s Radical Train for me. Sonic & the Secret Rings - Sand Oasis --- Yeah, gonna be honest, kinda biased pick, I really like well realized desert locations/stages in games, and Sand Oasis just hits the right buttons for me. Sonic & the Black Knight - Camelot Castle --- Camelot Castle has a good couple sections that is split into two separate levels, there’s the forest surrounding Misty Lake, the wide open Camelot Field, the fortress-like Camelot Castle Town, the Camelot Castle perimeter walls, the lower waterways beneath the Castle, a giant crystalline cavern beneath the waterways that honestly remind me of Mystic Cave Zone from Sonic 2, and then there’s Camelot Castle itself. Sonic Unleashed - Eggmanland --- After considering a lot of the different stages, I eventually settled on Eggmanland. Sonic Colors - Starlight Carnival --- With Asteroid Coaster & Planet Wisp unavailable, I’m going for this one instead. --- And that’s my list.
@@callofdutywii1 Yeah, but I meant more classic and modern Sonic stages. Although it does seem like Shadow will get some extra stages after the game releases.
The very idea of Generations has potential for so many stages just in the games that were present, and double that if we included ones that weren't in like CD, Shadow, the Advance trilogy, the Rush games, the Rivals duology, Black Knight, the Game Gear games, etc. Even now, with Sonic X Shadow Generations, the possibility of DLC with levels based on later games is back in our collective minds as fans, like Mania, Forces, Dream Team, Frontiers, Superstars, even something wild like a stage based on the IDW comics, Prime or even the movies. Things like these would be wild! Unrelated but, despite not being in Gens, i'm glad we got to see Marble Zone, Metropolis, and Labyrinth in full 3D in Lego Dimensions.
@@LeopoldLitchenstein Ice Cap has multiple different tracks. There’s the Prototype version (used for Origins), the other Sonic Adventure track (Snowy Hill), and the lesser known variant heard in Lego Dimensions that’s pretty faithful to the original but clearly isn’t the original
@abaddon1503 Well yeah, I know, but I think most people would want Hard Times for Act 1 if they were to have it in Generations and then the Adventure music for Act 2, that was my thought process with that stage
My list would be this Sonic:1 Starlight Sonic CD: Quartz Quadrant Sonic 2: Aquatic Ruin Sonic 3&K Launch Base Sonic Adventure: Red Mountain or twinkle park Sonic Adventure 2: Crazy Gadget or Prison Island sonic heroes: Bullet Station Sonic 06: White Acropolis Sonic unleashed: Savannah Citidel or Dragon Road Sonic Colors: Tropical Resort with laser wisp for Modern and Drill for Classic Or Sweet mountain with modern using the hover and Classic using the drill
I absolutely love this series. Been a fan when since I was 3 years old when Unleashed came out, and that was my first Sonic game. Now I'm 19 and still love it to death. Happy belated birthday my favorite blue rat.
Stages the should’ve been in Sonic Generations (Console/PC) in my opinion Classic Era Green Hill Zone - Sonic the Hedgehog (1991) Mystic Cave Zone - Sonic the Hedgehog 2 Palm tree Panic - Sonic CD Carnival Night Zone - Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles Speed Slider - Knuckles’ Chaotix Dreamcast Era Red Mountain - Sonic Adventure Metal Harbor - Sonic Adventure 2 Egg Fleet - Sonic Heroes Westopolis - Shadow the Hedgehog Modern Era Sand Oasis - Sonic and the Secret Rings Skyscraper Scamper - Sonic Unleashed Camelot Castle - Sonic and the Black Knight Tropical Resort - Sonic Colors Q&A Q: Why Include Knuckles’ Chaotix, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic and the Secret Rings, and Sonic and the Black Knight? A: I felt that it would been a great opportunity to have them in Sonic Generations, to see how they would include certain gimmicks in the said stages for Modern and Classic Sonic Q: why not include any stages from Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)? A: I felt that stages from from the said game shouldn’t have been in Sonic Generations at all due the events from 06 were erased and also I never thought it fit well in Sonic Generations Q: What About Stages from The Riders Series? A: They’re racing games and therefore it would likely be difficult to properly import the stages in Sonic Generations
I haven't played every Sonic game, but if they ever decide to make a Generations 2 (not counting Sonic X Shadow), I'd like them to pick 2 stages per game this time around and the ones I'd choose would be: Sonic 1 = Star Light + Spring Yard Sonic 2 = Mystic Cave + Aquatic Ruin Sonic 3 = Flying Battery + Hydrocity Adventure = Ice Cap + Red Mountain Adventure 2 = Metal Harbor + Final Rush Mania = Studiopolis + Press Garden Forces = Sunset Heights + Mortar Canyon I'm currently on my quest to play every main line entry
Honestlythats a great list, i like how you picked Red Mountain for adventure, that was one of its coolest stages You definently should play through every mainline game, its a worth while experience as their all games you will feel the need to go back to sooner or later
personally, i think there should've been at least 1 or 2 additional zones per Sonic era. i agree wholeheartedly with most of your choices, though if i had to make my own i'd choose Genesis Era: Metallic Madness from Sonic CD and Angel Island Zone (specifically the part where it's on fire) from Sonic 3 & Knuckles Dreamcast Era: Sky Rail from Sonic Adventure 2 and Final Haunt from Shadow The Hedgehog (mostly because the stage music is fire) Modern Era: Arid Sands from Sonic Unleashed and Starlight Carnival from Sonic Colors
The stages you picked for the games that were already in Generations is honestly exactly what I had in mind lmaooo, the only stage that was different was Heroes where I think Grand Metropolis would be an awesome pick, I know there's an overflow of city stages in Generations already but I think that future tech theme could be really cool, and also I picked Jungle Joyride instead of Dragon Road but honestly they're both on par for candidates imo
SA1 Egg carrier. The level could have boosted through the entire egg carrier. Start in the hub, go through the sky deck, then go interior to hot shelter, then end in that knuckles section like usual. The ultimate level, just like that.
2:24 man I wish they could use the music though but I guess they can't really use it because of copyright men I guess that's going to be a hard time anyways this is a pretty good video I bet it was "hard" to make again you did a great job
Thanks i really appreciate this comment, this video wasnt really that hard to make as it was a lot of fun, its a topic ive been interested in for many years now
Roger Van Der Weide had a humorous flash movie based on the game called "Sonic Generations in 8 Minutes", where the Dr. Eggmans of the Past and Present sent Sonic to levels from some of his more infamous games; Sonic Labyrinth, Sonic's Schoolhouse Sonic Shuffle (in Easy Mode), and Tails' Sky Patrol.
those stages are nothing like marble zone, if you play them well then they are pretty fast paced, marble zone has many instances where you gotta wait on the block, which is why i clip through act 2 and 3 every time i play sonic 1, Sandopolis sucks for knuckles though
Oh I talked about new generations stages a bit in a discord server I’m in, except in the context of adding stages from a “future” era. Eventually, we landed on Frozen Factory (to add a snow level, like you said), Studiopolis, and Eggman Empire Fortress (to end the game on an Eggman level, also like you said) with Fang being the rival and one of the Frontiers titans being the area’s boss. It’s interesting to see how our ideas and reasoning lined up.
those are actually neat ideas if i had to pick a future era line up different than yours it would go Sonic Lost World- that sky world Sonic Mania- Mirage Saloon Sonic Forces- that one water slide level Sonic Superstars- Golden Capital and for a rival id pick zavok and for the boss probrably one of frontiers titans as well
If you want my opinion on that rq here it is Lost World: World 7 mashup Mania: Mirage Saloon (NO Act 1) Forces: Sunset Heights Frontiers: Titan Boss fight
With Ice Cap: The music issues didn't exist when Generations came out, as evidenced by Sonic 3 And Knuckles being released on Steam with it's original music earlier that year Also with Jungle Joyride from what I've heard it runs pretty well on PS3 when 1080p upscaling is disabled
Green Hill makes sense. Classic Sonic zone, and a good “beginner’s guide” to the game. Chemical Plant, in my opinion, was the best pick from Sonic 2, especially soundtrack-wise. Casino Night is great, but Chem Plant is probably one of if not the best classic Sonic soundtracks. From 3&K, I would say Angel Island, Hydrocity, Marble Garden, Flying Battery or Lava Reef. However, as the boss for the three was the Death Egg Robot (or Big Arms for 3DS), Sky Sanctuary made sense from a continuity standpoint, or Launch Base could’ve work (or have Launch Base for 3DS?) Also, Flying Battery could have fit in for Xbox, as it would be reminiscent of the Wing Fortress, which led up to the Death Egg battle. Also, Flying Battery is just a banger soundtrack.
So before I watch, if I were given the choice to replace any of the levels within Generations. I would say to replace Seaside Hill with Casino Park & Planet Wisp with Astroid Coaster (yes I'm one of the people who wanted a more climatic final zone), everything else are already good choices and I feel like I wouldn't swap them out. And as for what's to come from Shadow Generations, I honestly don't care what they choose, but for thier "Shadow the Hedghog" choice, for a basic level I would accept Glyphic Canyon or Digital Circuit (This one more so as it feels distinctive from everything else we would see from this game so far and I would love to play a good cyber level), but if that game was locked for a final level then they have to use the Black Comet to show off Black Doom's home base. The levels they showed off so far are absolutely spectacular.
I like Gen, but for an anniversary title I felt like they could have really gone into it more. They should have kept the 3rd adventure play style, they should have added atleast 1 more level for each era, maybe another rival challenge, or acts for Bosses, and character unlocks.
5:35 I know it’s the mascot stage, but I personally believe Crisis City is the better stage to represent Sonic 06. Even if a lot of the reasons mostly comes down to thematically being appropriate for the game, and not the actual level design. Since it is worse than Kingdom Valley. Also, Hot Take: I don’t think any version of Kingdom Valley is the best level in the game. I honestly would probably consider something like Tropical Jungle Very Hard to be better since it’s shorter. I think Sonic 06 should’ve had a point system that worked like Cannon’s Core. In that level, every time you swap to the next character, your points from the last character permanently saves on that run until you game over or quit the level. I think 06 would’ve benefited from this, but instead of it working everytime you swap a character, it’s every time you go to the next segment of the level. This would help with the tediousness with the level as it gets tiring having to restart the entire level for an S rank. If that’s a problem for some people, then maybe do what Frontiers nowadays does, where beating a level under a specific condition could give you a marker on your S rank. You could be given a marker for beating a level without turning on the point saver in the options. You can also get the marker if you have the thing on if you beat the level without restarting a segment.
If I was forced to chose from what's not in the game I'd go: Starlight Casino night Lava reef + hidden palace Emerald Coast Final rush Hang castle Westopolis White acropolis Dragon road Asteroid coaster Basically just for variation of themes
I feel like Cool Edge from Sonic Unleashed is getting slept on. If using Ice Cap's original music is impossible, Cool Edge is a more than adequate substitute. Gorgeous natural environment, tons of sweet water-running, beautiful and perfectly fitting music (which I noticed you used in the SU segment!)...what's not to love? Heartily agree with you on Asteroid Coaster, though. So many Sonic games move towards space in the end (Sonic 2, 3, SA2...), why not this one? And no, Time Eater doesn't count, because it's boring. 😅
S1: Green Hill S2: Casino Night SCD: Stardust Speedway S3: Hydro City S&K: Lava Reef SA1: Lost World SA2: City Escape Heroes: Egg Fleet Shadow: Westopolis Sonic ‘06: Kingdom Valley Secret Rings: Sand Oasis Unleashed: Cool Edge Black Knight: Faraway Avalon Colours: Asteroid Coaster Generations: White Space stage switching between Classic & Modern Sonic ala Eggmanland w/ Werehog, replaces Time Eater boss
For me, I’d have to choose: 1. Star Light Zone 2. Aquatic Ruin 3. Stardust Speedway or Tidal Tempest 4. Windy Valley or Lost World 5. Crazy Gadget or Metal Harbor 6. Frog Forest or Hang Castle 7. Radical Train or Tropical Jungle (Sonic/Elise). 8. The Pirate level or Leviathan Ruins 9. Cool Edge or Savannah Citadel 10. Starlight Carnival
1: Spring Yard Zone 2: Metropolis Zone CD: Quartz Quadrant 3&K: However-you-pronounce-it Zone Adventure: Windy Valley Adventure 2: Metal Harbor Heroes: Casino Park/Bingo Highway 06: Flame Core Unleashed: Empire City Colors: Aquarium Park
I think Sega would be a fool not to either add more levels to the game or dlc to expand the Sonic Generations experience, Sega have no idea that this game could be a cash cow if they make paid dlc for this game !
@@mondopatrick Sonic 3 is the best Classic Sonic game, Sonic 2 is great and introduced my fav character for a long time, before I switched to Shadow, and Sonic 1 is nostalgia, but other than that, is just there
Casino Night’s already in the Console Generations as the only DLC available if you pre ordered the game on the 360 & PS3. However it’s free in the PC Version. Edit: SEGA could’ve remixed all of Sonic 3’s original songs in Sonic Origins.
Ice Cap whould have been the Sonic 3 representative. Sonic and Knuckles should have got its own representative in Sly Sanctuary. Should have the game with 12 Stages instead of 9 as it was quite short. Make the first area have 3 with Ice Cap and make a new Second Section with Sky Sanctuary for Knuckles > Collision Chaos as the CD representative > Regal Ruin or Spring Stadium as the Sonic R or 3D Blast Representative
iif i were choosing levels for a new sonic generations today with the shouldve been, i would choose these: green hill, chemical plant, collision chaos, hydro city, lava reef for classic era, with metal sonic in stardust speedway for rival and big arm for the boss sky deck, city escape, egg fortress, westopolis, and kingdom valley for era 2, with shadow as the rival and solaris as the boss (fight me) idfk about secret rigns, jungle joyride (this is the most important change IMO bc this lvl is just perfect for... remastration... remastry... getting remastered bc of framerate aesthetic and music), camelot castle, aquarium park, splash hill for era 3 with silver for the rival (idc if his debut was last era) and egg dragoon for boss. desSert ruins, studiopolis, mortar canyon, (I don't think frontiers could have a part here and I'm glad bc I cant leave out superstars or dream team) sky temple, and nightmare maze, with zavok as rival and (because we need frontiers representation) one of the 3 frontiers titans for boss.
I would also have liked to see; Black Comet (Shadow the Hedgehog) Babylon Gardens (Sonic Riders) The Noctourne (Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood)
Ive been saying it ever since SxS Gens got announced. I hope they add 1 or 2 more stages for Sonic, since it is a "remaster", they'd have to balance the amount of stages for Shadow as well. EDIT: Hopefully they do DLCs
This is the kind of debate I've had with myself for 13 years. Ultimately I am disappointed at the lack of space levels that Generations originally had, so if I were to fix that I'd put in Starlight Carnival instead of Planet Wisp for Colours, putting the space level as the last one for the game would give it some nice finality to the normal gameplay if you asked me, and I kinda don't like the execution of Planet Wisp in Gens to begin with. Because of that, I'd need to get another forest/valley type of level, and I'd agree with putting Kingdom Valley to replace Crisis City. It's just the best representation of 06 if you asked me (though it might not explain Silver's boss fight quite so well, and Blaze is a bit more synonymous with the future environment of that game, but still I'd take Kingdom Valley any day.) The idea of Ice Cap could be interesting because you could almost make Modern Sonic's version feel more like the Adventure stage where you end with the snowboard chase instead of starting it - it'd also fix the soundtrack issue as well where they'd play Be Cool, Be Wild, and Be Groovy instead of the 3&K version of it. Ultimately if that takes the role of 3&K and Adventure together, then I'd have another game to play with here... Sonic Rush in 3D. Give me that Water Palace in 3D Generations! This goes alongside SA2 (I'd keep City Escape but if I had to replace it then Crazy Gadget would be some insane level of chaos lmao) and Heroes (I love Egg Fleet so much, but Grand Metropolis/Power Plant would've worked so well for the game.) After those, I'd keep everything else as is.
Sega is the master of missing out on easy fucking money in exchange for horrible dogshit decisions since ever. I REALLY HOPE they won't miss out on their 2nd chance for easy DLC (actual good dlc, not some model swaps) money with this one
This probably wouldn't happend but it would be cool if they add spin off games for some levels like have Advance levels or Riders levels. They could of added that if Generations had dlc.
I feel like modern sonic games has the best anniversary titles than the old ones. Sure sa2 was great but everything else wasn't very good but the modern games anniversary titles were games like generations, mania and frontiers which were very good
Great video! I think Sonic Generations is probably my favorite Sonic game just because of how straightforward it is. No gimmicks, no shallow and half-assed concepts, No weird side stories just straightforward levels of both varieties in terms of 2D and 3D. I think some of these stages should have been added as DLC. It made perfect sense and it would have added to the total length of the game. The story isn't that deep and the whole game was just an excuse to give fans what they wanted. This is one of the few and only times where I would have supported DLC because there could have been so much potential for great levels. Instead all we got was a pinball level which was kinda lame.
Thank You ! Yeah getting more levels would have been great, I know they had to scrap some levels due to time constraints but it wouldve been cool to get those as DLC
Tbf they probably should have used flame core for 06 representation. And honestly they could have picked any area from unleashed and I would have been fine with it bc every stage in that game is great.
I feel like Green Hill represents Sonic 1 the best. When it made a return in Sonic Generations, fans were thrilled. It's the fact that SEGA then mandated that EVERY SINGLE Sonic game after it should have a starter Green Hill zone of some kind that made fans dislike the stage! Regardless, Starlight Zone, I think, would be the best second stage from Sonic 1. Sonic 2… ahh, what would have been fun would be if Sonic Team had done one of the many, many, MANY unused levels from Sonic 2 for Generations. But if I had to… I absolutely adore Chemical Plant and it reflects Sonic 2 perfect. People tend to associate Chemical Plant with Sonic 2, and it's arguably the most memorable stage in the game, so I think it's the right choice. Otherwise, I like Hill Top - however, it's a bit boring and does lean a little against Green Hill with its colour palette, so I would probably go… Oil Ocean, to be honest. It's very iconic and very unique, standing out amongst Sonic levels in history much like Chemical plant. They could have done something ala Mania did with act 2 for the Classic stages. For S3&K, I absolutely agree, Ice Cap would have been perfect and it is one of the few snow stages in Sonic history, and arguably the best one there is. However, given the licensing issue with the music, it would probably not be viable (and the one they use in Origins is really bad). So… by popularity, likely Hydro City zone would have been the alternative choice. Though, I personally prefer Flying Battery and Lava Reef, and would have loved to see those. For Adventure, I would go with either Red Mountain or Sky Deck, honestly. I know, unorthodox favourite levels from Adventure but I like playing through those stages a lot, and I absolutely agree, Speed Highway is kind of boring. City Escape is absolutely PEAK city level and I would not have chosen otherwise for Generations, it's PERFECT. That said, if I HAD to choose an alternative… I would honestly go for Metal Harbour or Green Forest. Like, imagine that Sonic has to go through Metal Harbour wearing an actual prison garb, and the more tricks he does off ramps, the more the clothes rips off him and signifying his breakout in a more humerous way. I WOULD choose Radical Highway, but as that is not a stage that Sonic goes through in the story, but rather Shadow, it would not fit with Generations in this instance. I am happy to see that it will make an appearance in Shadow's campaign, though ^^ Ah, Crazy Gadget could have been used for Generations. We don't have any space levels in Generations, and that one is iconic. Although, you do fight Shadow in the… Final Rush, I think is the name, as the rival battle in Generations, so I suppose not. Sonic Heroes… whoof, that's a tough one. I like Haunted Mansion from that game, so if they combine the two haunted stages like they did with Seaside Hill and Ocean Palace for Generations, then I think it would be epic. Otherwise, probably Frog Forest and its companion stage after it that I can never remember the name of… or the Egg Fleet and Final Fortress combined into one stage; either would be EPIC. They should have included Shadow the Hedgehog stages though. I know you play as Shadow, but a player 2 can take control of Sonic in the stages he appears in - being Westopolis, Lethal Highway, Space Gadget and Final Haunt - and I was thinking one of those stages could be used for a Generations level. Westopolis and Lethal Highway have the benefit that they are technically connected and takes place in the same city, so you could combine them into a giant level for Generations. But they are city stages, so I would have gone for Final Haunt simply for being so different. Space Gadget is based off Crazy Gadget from SA2, so using that would probably be confusing as people would probably think it's ANOTHER SA2 stage in Generations if it had made it in. 06, absolutely Kingdom Valley, but I do love Crisis City. It's a stupid challenging level and one of the two most iconic levels of 06. Given how very different Crisis City is to traditional city stages, I give it a pass for being one because it's literally on fire and ruined to the bone. It's AWESOME. I am sad we didn’t get the "snowboard" section of Crisis City into the Generations level, but I get it. They already have that in City Escape which is much more iconic than Crisis City 😅 Alternatively, you could use White Acropolis as the snow stage you were missing for Ice Cap. I know it does not have the charm of Ice Cap but, I think it could still work. Now, Unleashed. I don’t like they chose Rooftop Run for that, I would have SO preferred Jungle Joyride, it is my FAVOURITE day level in Unleashed, it's just GORGEOUS and PERFECT. It's long, so much so that it is the only stage in Unleashed to have two sections within a single act. It's a jungle stage with beautiful music, and ah. This one has no contestants, it is absolutely perfect. (Alternatively, you could have Eggmanland but, nah. Let's not torture ourselves, haha 😂) Colours… I do think Planet Wisp is the right stage, but it is an absolutely awful level to play through in Generations. Plus, like most Colours stages, but especially Planet Wisp stages, most of it is 2D even for Modern sonic which is frustrating. I definitely think Aquarium Park, Starlight Carnival or Astorid Coaster would have been awesome in Generations and would balance it in a more 3D manner.
If it were up to me for sonic adventure 2 I would’ve gone with the metal harbour the music was elite and for colours either aquarium park or starlight carnival personally
@mondopatrick657 I like Secret Rings aesthetic, but the controll was so awful that there was no way to get into it. The only other Sonic game to make me as mad as Rings did was 06. Black Knight on the other hand is my favorite game with motion controls, they were simple but effective, and I still go back to replay it now and then to this day.
@Andrew7923 Secret rings is annoying but i kind of have fun with it, i liked its story and villian more, and thats why my experience of beating it though more frustrating than black knight feels more memorable.. Black Knight feels more fluid but its very short and easy and i kind of get bored with it fast, does have a great final boss
@mondopatrick657 I would call Black Knight easy for the most part (although it has it's moments), however I wouldn't call it short. It probably has about the same amount of content that Rings has, maby a bit more. It has quite a few levels that are at least 3-5 minutes long which is pretty good for a Sonic game. It also has some of the better replayabilaty, I had a blast as a kid getting the materials for new swords and equipment, it makes you play the stages in a completely different way. Then there's the boss fights, they're all so fun even if.they don't have any real challenges until Percival. They really do nail the feeling of a sword dual.
hopefully the devs for sonic x shadow generations see this bc i really want casino night in the game as an actual stage in 3D not like the pinball thing
I get you were going for stage diversity, but Egg Fleet from Sonic Heroes would've been more awesome and climactic than either of the two Heroes stages you mentioned in my humble opinion.
From Sonic Cd, i would like Palmtree Panic, that stage is so nostalgic for me, because I played sonic Cd so much wen i had my Xbox 360 and I played a lot of times the demo of the game wich only had the Palmtree Panic (or maybe i was too noob to pass all the 3 acts), for Sonic 3 and Knuckles, i would choose the angel Island, but Ice cap is a great stage to put in the game either, about Sonic heroes, i think that seaside hill is perfect, talking about the SA1 stage, I prefer emerald coast, but Twinkle Park is good too. (Im sorry if my English is bad, im still learning)
For me itd be: Sonic 1: Star Light Sonic 2: Mystic Cave Sonic 3K: Ice Cap SA1: Red Mountain SA2: Final Rush Sonic Heroes: Egg Fleet Sonic 06: Hmmmmmm, probably Aquatic Base? Idk Sonic Unleashed: Jungle Joyride Sonic Colors: Asteroid Coaster
I think 3&K option is the best option, I just love the fact it mixes exploration and speed! Can't get enough of it, I'm disappointed in Origins though, the moment I made it to Ice Cap I paused it and took a break, I was waiting the entire time for Ice Cap's music just for it to be changed into mid music
I agree with how you dislike planet wisp but I think I would go with starlight carnival because sonic generations has no amusement levels like casino night
For me i want 1 level from Sonic and knuckles hidden palace Sonic cd stardust speedway propper Sonic and secret rings dinosaur jungle Sonic and the black knight shrouded forest As far as i know there arent many other games you could include
Black Knight's level design relied too heavily on the sword to the point where they all play the same way. Secret Rings (Even if it's worse) had more of a shot.
@gameman5804 I mean most stages in Gens weren't made with the boost gameplay or classic gameplay in mind, so they could easily just not make it rely on swordplay.
i'll never understand why sonic generations never got a dlc, to be honest
For real though Sonic Generations is literally the perfect game to add extra levels to they really did waste a big opportunity to do that.
I know right? even Sonic 06 got Hard mode levels and a (heavily unfinished) Boss Rush DLC
Excluding the Casino Night Pinball table DLC
Aside from the casino pinball DLC. They should have added more stages
Lets hope sonic generations remaster gets more stages
FUN FACT: Sega didn't pick these levels for Generations. It was the fans. Sega made a total poll of what stages the fans wanted to see the most in each game. And as a result, the fans REALLY loved those city stages lol I agree, there were WAY TOO MANY city levels. I know Sega wanted to be nice and listen to everyone's request. But even then, they should have tone down the amount of cities being used. None the less, everything was still beautiful. Now that Sonic X Shadow Generations is getting season pass DLCs, hopefully they'll include more stages. For both Sonic and Shadow. Like everyone else, I'm so damn amazed that Sega never did give Generations more stage DLCs with the original game. What a miss opportunity. Well, better late than never.
So, basically we got either the most popular or most advertised levels.
I’d figured the moment we got a lot of city-themed levels. I had hoped for something more diversified.
It's unfortunate because despite the city oversaturation, I can't realistically cut a single one of the city stages because I think most of them are the best and most iconic choices. Speed Highway, City Escape, Crisis City and Rooftop Run are reasonably THE stages of their respective games.
Secret Rings and Black Knight were in the voting but they forgot those games :( also if people voted for a different Sonic 2 level do you think that level would have been over used instead of Chemical Plant
@@PikachuGamerSMT Yeah! I've heard about that! In fact, I've heard they felt so bad leaving them out, so instead, Sega decided to let Sonic reference Secret Rings and Black Knight as one oh his past adventures. It was a nice touch lol
If we knew what the poll was for, I am 100% certain we'd get a pretty different list.
I love how Sonic Generations was a DLC goldmine that was never capitalized on.
I can see it so vividly.
- Classic Sonic DLC Pack
- Sonic Bosses DLC Pack
- Sonic Dreamcast DLC Pack
- Sonic Handheld DLC Pack
- Modern Sonic DLC Pack
- Sonic Storybook DLC Pack
- Fans Pick DLC Pack
Also it would've been so cool seeing levels from spin-offs reworked into levels.
Imagine Babylon Garden from Sonic Riders (Zero Gravity) as a level.
I would have dropped 20$ on each DLC pack tbh
@@mondopatrick Makes sense.
Imagine a Tails Adventure level.
Or a Sonic Schoolhouse level lol
I would also love to see something like Mecha Green Hill Zone from Sonic Chaos (I doubt it it's just another Green Hill)
@@FreddyMannLive I think having the lesser known Sonic spin-offs would be fun as well.
I know it’s completely unreasonable but I would have loved if the Colors stage was basically hopping from attraction to attraction destroying the tractor beam generators
That couldve been sick, reminds me of when i played Gens as a kid and wished that the death egg robot boss fight was instead a mini boss rush of all Eggmans final machines from 1 2 and 3
dude that would be so sick
@@mondopatrick sorta like a reverse X-Zone from Advance 1.
See, it’s ideas like that need to hit the Sonic Team. What a missed opportunity.
@@robertlupa8273EXACTLY!! Except better because it would be complete HD Remakes
All the stages in Sonic Generations were chosen due to polls, the most popular stage from each game was the one chosen to represent the game (excluding Sonic Colors if I'm not mistaken, that was Iizuka's choice because Colors still wasn't released at the time, since it was released just 1 year prior to Generations, but just like you, I think he made a really good choice imho), that's why I think Crisis City was chosen instead of Kingdom Valley
However, I do agree that Kingdom Valley would be a more logical pick, not only it's one of the best designed levels in 06 (with all 06's merits), and has a cool aesthetic, it's also a stage that REPRESENTS 06, it's in the boxart AND title screen, but I do think Crisis City alongside Kingdom Valley is a stage that's highlighted by the way it is
Oh yeah i remember hearing about that now that you mention it… i also remember secret rings was in one of those polls, i think Sand Oasis was the winner making it a scrapped stage
@@mondopatrickblack knights Camelot Castle is another scrapped stage due to popular demand
8:03 that's an... ENDLESS POSSIBILITY
You caught that too right?😂
The fact that they're not including the 3DS content in the remaster is such a shame.
Understandable though cause the stages themselves were nothing to write home about, I remember going back and S ranking everything in that game a few years back and it was a very 6/10 experience
I'd rather see unrepped games get stages, honestly. Yes Rush wasn't repped in the original but every other game that version covered did get a stage, plus they do have Radical Highway and Biolizard preserved in the remaster at least. I'd be more upset if they actually were able to use all handheld game stages in that version because that'd be 7 more potential stages for the base game
I do think the 3DS method of pulling old levels piece for piece could work though. Mania did it and everyone loved that, it would only fit more in a time travel game tbh
@@LeopoldLitchenstein those are literally the same stages and exact boss fights from the 3ds ver
@@mondopatrickalthough it might seem bad, it would just be great to add stages for more play time on base gens is also what a lot of sonic fans are looking for.
Funny story, I've heard that Sega allegedly wanted to add Wacky Workbench to the game as DLC, but eventually dropped the idea of DLC stages altogether. Pretty stupid decision in my opinion...
No way, thats funny and sad
It should've been two stages per game, tbh. Really hope SXS Generations adds in DLC for the main game similar to Frontiers. Even Add Some stages from future games before Frontiers.
Lost World: Sky Road - Considering how Generic Lost World's level themes are, why not compile every zone into one. That's what Sky Road was... Minus Tropical Coast and Lava Mountain... but still
Mania: Studiopolis - I just want to see that stage in 3D. I can only imagine how beautiful it'll look.
Forces: Sunset Heights/Ghost Town - Just like Kingdom Valley for 06, Sunset Heights is the PERFECT rep for the game. A longer and more difficult version of the stage is always welcome alongside pushing the "Cinematic Aspect" Forces attempted to do with the boost formula.
If we could pick 2 for everything id also pick mirage saloon for mania cause theres so much they could do with that one
I mean, there could be, and probably will be more than the 3 areas in shadow gens that we've been shown. There's still shadow the hedgehog to be represented. So I think there will be more areas that we haven't been shown yet.
I never understood the "too many city stages" problems in generations. They all stand apart very well. I dont even consider Crisis City a City level because its more of a typically lava stage
Cause theres so many other and arguably far better options,
if you want a real lava stage for 06 that would be Flame Core
“The whole cities’ on fire”
Naw, ‘Crisis City’ for a reason. The entire level is in a hellscaped-city…
06 had Flamecore, which is the actual lava-land kinda level.
I definitely think one of these city levels could’ve been cut, maybe Rooftop Run. (City Escape’s remix is TOO GOOD)
Yeah, I agree that Crisis City didn't feel like a "city" level to me. The fire tornado setpiece at the end of Act 1 is iconic, especially with the signpost flying away from you. And the music slaps (well, that's true of much of '06's music, to be fair). Speed Highway though...yeah. I wish they'd picked Lost World instead (the level, not the game, obviously).
Same here. They’re all great.
For me, it’s too many first level stages
So imma make 2 rules for myself, no picking stages you picked, and no picking stages that appeared in Generations, Generations 3DS, or Shadow Generations.
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Sonic 1 - Marble Zone
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I feel like they could really refine the aspects of Marble Zone that don’t work to have it flow better.
Sonic CD - Tidal Tempest Zone
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It’s one of the few Water Stages in gaming I actually enjoy, plus it’s a sunken volcano with ancient ruins.. come on, that’s cool.
Sonic 2 - Metropolis Zone
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I understand this is a controversial pick, but for some reason, I’ve just always kinda liked how brutal this stage was, the gears, the tubes, the badniks, honestly feels like a stage that could be something truly special.
Sonic 3&K - Death Egg Zone
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Thinking about it, the Death Egg is barely used anymore, so why not take the chance for something special, especially as a 3D stage.
Sonic Adventure - Lost World
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I find this stage rarely or never brought up in conversation, which I find strange, it’s a lost temple with Zelda like dungeon puzzles that still feel like a faster paced Sonic stage, that’s honestly pretty cool and unique.
Sonic Adventure 2 - Metal Harbor
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Honestly there just weren’t any stages for Sonic that were usable, it came down to this, Green Forest & Crazy Gadget, but after some thought, I picked this.
Sonic Heroes - Egg Fleet
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Yeah, I chose the fleet of Eggman Warships, I figured a stage like this could open up a lot of possibilities for stage design.
Sonic ‘06 - Radical Train
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If it’s not Kingdom Valley, then it’s Radical Train for me.
Sonic & the Secret Rings - Sand Oasis
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Yeah, gonna be honest, kinda biased pick, I really like well realized desert locations/stages in games, and Sand Oasis just hits the right buttons for me.
Sonic & the Black Knight - Camelot Castle
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Camelot Castle has a good couple sections that is split into two separate levels, there’s the forest surrounding Misty Lake, the wide open Camelot Field, the fortress-like Camelot Castle Town, the Camelot Castle perimeter walls, the lower waterways beneath the Castle, a giant crystalline cavern beneath the waterways that honestly remind me of Mystic Cave Zone from Sonic 2, and then there’s Camelot Castle itself.
Sonic Unleashed - Eggmanland
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After considering a lot of the different stages, I eventually settled on Eggmanland.
Sonic Colors - Starlight Carnival
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With Asteroid Coaster & Planet Wisp unavailable, I’m going for this one instead.
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And that’s my list.
This game was the most justified game in existence for dlc stages. I hope they do dlc levels in Sonic X Shadow gens
They should add 1 or 2 additional levels at base launch, not that i expect it but it would be sick
@@mondopatrick my picks would be kingdom vally and wacky workbench.
Sonic x Shadow basically is a DLC
@@callofdutywii1 Yeah, but I meant more classic and modern Sonic stages. Although it does seem like Shadow will get some extra stages after the game releases.
i would've loved to have heard a modern take on the spring yard background music
The very idea of Generations has potential for so many stages just in the games that were present, and double that if we included ones that weren't in like CD, Shadow, the Advance trilogy, the Rush games, the Rivals duology, Black Knight, the Game Gear games, etc. Even now, with Sonic X Shadow Generations, the possibility of DLC with levels based on later games is back in our collective minds as fans, like Mania, Forces, Dream Team, Frontiers, Superstars, even something wild like a stage based on the IDW comics, Prime or even the movies. Things like these would be wild!
Unrelated but, despite not being in Gens, i'm glad we got to see Marble Zone, Metropolis, and Labyrinth in full 3D in Lego Dimensions.
I keep forgetting about the Lego Sonic game, i owned it years ago and loved it from what i remember
Honestly, I think the 3DS version had potential for including stages from the Handheld titles.
2:00 I came up with the idea where ice cap is a two game level where act 1 is the Sonic 3 version and act 2 is the Sonic adventure version
Oh My God !!
Thats sick, maybe they could even remix that epic snowboard song
I had the same idea, but we know that perfection would never happen due to music rights, unfortunately
@@LeopoldLitchenstein
Ice Cap has multiple different tracks. There’s the Prototype version (used for Origins), the other Sonic Adventure track (Snowy Hill), and the lesser known variant heard in Lego Dimensions that’s pretty faithful to the original but clearly isn’t the original
@abaddon1503 Well yeah, I know, but I think most people would want Hard Times for Act 1 if they were to have it in Generations and then the Adventure music for Act 2, that was my thought process with that stage
Suprised you didn’t choose Space Colony ark for adventure 2
Its already used for shadows fight and i like pyramid cave more as a concept
My list would be this
Sonic:1 Starlight
Sonic CD: Quartz Quadrant
Sonic 2: Aquatic Ruin
Sonic 3&K Launch Base
Sonic Adventure: Red Mountain or twinkle park
Sonic Adventure 2: Crazy Gadget or Prison Island
sonic heroes: Bullet Station
Sonic 06: White Acropolis
Sonic unleashed: Savannah Citidel or Dragon Road
Sonic Colors: Tropical Resort with laser wisp for Modern and Drill for Classic
Or Sweet mountain with modern using the hover and Classic using the drill
I absolutely love this series. Been a fan when since I was 3 years old when Unleashed came out, and that was my first Sonic game. Now I'm 19 and still love it to death. Happy belated birthday my favorite blue rat.
Stages the should’ve been in Sonic Generations (Console/PC) in my opinion
Classic Era
Green Hill Zone - Sonic the Hedgehog (1991)
Mystic Cave Zone - Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Palm tree Panic - Sonic CD
Carnival Night Zone - Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
Speed Slider - Knuckles’ Chaotix
Dreamcast Era
Red Mountain - Sonic Adventure
Metal Harbor - Sonic Adventure 2
Egg Fleet - Sonic Heroes
Westopolis - Shadow the Hedgehog
Modern Era
Sand Oasis - Sonic and the Secret Rings
Skyscraper Scamper - Sonic Unleashed
Camelot Castle - Sonic and the Black Knight
Tropical Resort - Sonic Colors
Q&A
Q: Why Include Knuckles’ Chaotix, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic and the Secret Rings, and Sonic and the Black Knight?
A: I felt that it would been a great opportunity to have them in Sonic Generations, to see how they would include certain gimmicks in the said stages for Modern and Classic Sonic
Q: why not include any stages from Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)?
A: I felt that stages from from the said game shouldn’t have been in Sonic Generations at all due the events from 06 were erased and also I never thought it fit well in Sonic Generations
Q: What About Stages from The Riders Series?
A: They’re racing games and therefore it would likely be difficult to properly import the stages in Sonic Generations
Nice stage list. I would have picked Windy Valley instead. That's the only change I can think of.
I keep on seeing this is my recommended and it's time I watch it, in the morning that is!
Casino Night is in the 3DS version and Kingdom Valley is gonna be in Shadow’s part of the remaster
I mentioned those
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I haven't played every Sonic game, but if they ever decide to make a Generations 2 (not counting Sonic X Shadow), I'd like them to pick 2 stages per game this time around and the ones I'd choose would be:
Sonic 1 = Star Light + Spring Yard
Sonic 2 = Mystic Cave + Aquatic Ruin
Sonic 3 = Flying Battery + Hydrocity
Adventure = Ice Cap + Red Mountain
Adventure 2 = Metal Harbor + Final Rush
Mania = Studiopolis + Press Garden
Forces = Sunset Heights + Mortar Canyon
I'm currently on my quest to play every main line entry
Honestlythats a great list, i like how you picked Red Mountain for adventure, that was one of its coolest stages
You definently should play through every mainline game, its a worth while experience as their all games you will feel the need to go back to sooner or later
@@mondopatrick oh I definitely will, I'll do Heroes next if it works properly on my 360, then CD, 06 (maybe), Unleashed and then Colors Ultimate
@@crashwing3716 Be careful with heroes, you might break your console if you try to true ending it in one sitting lmao
@@mondopatrick Takes me 5 days to finish like an 8hr game 😭
We getting sonic x shadow generations
Frog Forest is brill (and absolutely agree about the chase scene at the end), but Egg Fleet has GOT to be the choice for Heroes!
I can see why you think that, im just biased cause i always considered frog forest to be a very awesome and atmospheric stage even as a kid
personally, i think there should've been at least 1 or 2 additional zones per Sonic era. i agree wholeheartedly with most of your choices, though if i had to make my own i'd choose
Genesis Era: Metallic Madness from Sonic CD and Angel Island Zone (specifically the part where it's on fire) from Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Dreamcast Era: Sky Rail from Sonic Adventure 2 and Final Haunt from Shadow The Hedgehog (mostly because the stage music is fire)
Modern Era: Arid Sands from Sonic Unleashed and Starlight Carnival from Sonic Colors
This comment made me remember metallic madness has mini sonic! 3D Modern Mini sonic couldve been very cool
Wish we got a tutorial stage (being Isolated Island from Chaotix)
The stages you picked for the games that were already in Generations is honestly exactly what I had in mind lmaooo, the only stage that was different was Heroes where I think Grand Metropolis would be an awesome pick, I know there's an overflow of city stages in Generations already but I think that future tech theme could be really cool, and also I picked Jungle Joyride instead of Dragon Road but honestly they're both on par for candidates imo
I mean kingdom valley is gonna be in shadow generations
SA1 Egg carrier.
The level could have boosted through the entire egg carrier. Start in the hub, go through the sky deck, then go interior to hot shelter, then end in that knuckles section like usual.
The ultimate level, just like that.
2:24 man I wish they could use the music though but I guess they can't really use it because of copyright men I guess that's going to be a hard time anyways this is a pretty good video I bet it was "hard" to make again you did a great job
Thanks i really appreciate this comment, this video wasnt really that hard to make as it was a lot of fun, its a topic ive been interested in for many years now
Roger Van Der Weide had a humorous flash movie based on the game called "Sonic Generations in 8 Minutes", where the Dr. Eggmans of the Past and Present sent Sonic to levels from some of his more infamous games; Sonic Labyrinth, Sonic's Schoolhouse Sonic Shuffle (in Easy Mode), and Tails' Sky Patrol.
I totally agree that kingdom valley should have been in Sonic generations Instead of crisis city. The stage is on the sonic 06 box art.
Wave Ocean would've been pretty cool as a stage
"Can't imagine a stage like Marble Zone in Sonic 3"
Sandopolis and Marble Garden:
those stages are nothing like marble zone, if you play them well then they are pretty fast paced, marble zone has many instances where you gotta wait on the block, which is why i clip through act 2 and 3 every time i play sonic 1, Sandopolis sucks for knuckles though
Oh I talked about new generations stages a bit in a discord server I’m in, except in the context of adding stages from a “future” era. Eventually, we landed on Frozen Factory (to add a snow level, like you said), Studiopolis, and Eggman Empire Fortress (to end the game on an Eggman level, also like you said) with Fang being the rival and one of the Frontiers titans being the area’s boss. It’s interesting to see how our ideas and reasoning lined up.
those are actually neat ideas
if i had to pick a future era line up different than yours it would go
Sonic Lost World- that sky world
Sonic Mania- Mirage Saloon
Sonic Forces- that one water slide level
Sonic Superstars- Golden Capital
and for a rival id pick zavok and for the boss probrably one of frontiers titans as well
the possibilities are endless, i see what you did there
The og sound tracks are now dlc for origins, I think they did reacquire the rights
Unless you mean a mod i cant find anything
@@mondopatrick I might have been misinformed then. But don't worry, I'll make him pay for that. o7
3:41 that footage of modern sonic doing a spindash genuinely surprised me
Generations modding is a ton of fun
Timestamps: "Ah yes, I love me some good Casino Knight* Zone"
Holy shit those are the worst timestamps ive ever seen
Good vid and this reminded me about if sega made generatoins 2
I know it'd be a smaller video, but maybe going through the post-gens games would be interesting for stage picks
If you want my opinion on that rq here it is
Lost World: World 7 mashup
Mania: Mirage Saloon (NO Act 1)
Forces: Sunset Heights
Frontiers: Titan Boss fight
With Ice Cap: The music issues didn't exist when Generations came out, as evidenced by Sonic 3 And Knuckles being released on Steam with it's original music earlier that year
Also with Jungle Joyride from what I've heard it runs pretty well on PS3 when 1080p upscaling is disabled
I agree with most of those alternatives but i believe that chemical plant was really fantastic for the representation of sonic 2.
For adventure 2 I would go with metal harbor
I just think it’s cool
I'd make a couple changes:
Sa1: Red mountain
sa2: Crazy gadget
Unleashed: Eggmanland
Colours: Starlight carnival
Green Hill makes sense. Classic Sonic zone, and a good “beginner’s guide” to the game.
Chemical Plant, in my opinion, was the best pick from Sonic 2, especially soundtrack-wise. Casino Night is great, but Chem Plant is probably one of if not the best classic Sonic soundtracks.
From 3&K, I would say Angel Island, Hydrocity, Marble Garden, Flying Battery or Lava Reef. However, as the boss for the three was the Death Egg Robot (or Big Arms for 3DS), Sky Sanctuary made sense from a continuity standpoint, or Launch Base could’ve work (or have Launch Base for 3DS?) Also, Flying Battery could have fit in for Xbox, as it would be reminiscent of the Wing Fortress, which led up to the Death Egg battle. Also, Flying Battery is just a banger soundtrack.
Fun choices!
So before I watch, if I were given the choice to replace any of the levels within Generations. I would say to replace Seaside Hill with Casino Park & Planet Wisp with Astroid Coaster (yes I'm one of the people who wanted a more climatic final zone), everything else are already good choices and I feel like I wouldn't swap them out.
And as for what's to come from Shadow Generations, I honestly don't care what they choose, but for thier "Shadow the Hedghog" choice, for a basic level I would accept Glyphic Canyon or Digital Circuit (This one more so as it feels distinctive from everything else we would see from this game so far and I would love to play a good cyber level), but if that game was locked for a final level then they have to use the Black Comet to show off Black Doom's home base. The levels they showed off so far are absolutely spectacular.
very nice video you should make more content similar to this
Thanks, I will
@@mondopatrick Then ill be here to watch
I like Gen, but for an anniversary title I felt like they could have really gone into it more. They should have kept the 3rd adventure play style, they should have added atleast 1 more level for each era, maybe another rival challenge, or acts for Bosses, and character unlocks.
5:35
I know it’s the mascot stage, but I personally believe Crisis City is the better stage to represent Sonic 06. Even if a lot of the reasons mostly comes down to thematically being appropriate for the game, and not the actual level design. Since it is worse than Kingdom Valley.
Also, Hot Take: I don’t think any version of Kingdom Valley is the best level in the game. I honestly would probably consider something like Tropical Jungle Very Hard to be better since it’s shorter.
I think Sonic 06 should’ve had a point system that worked like Cannon’s Core. In that level, every time you swap to the next character, your points from the last character permanently saves on that run until you game over or quit the level. I think 06 would’ve benefited from this, but instead of it working everytime you swap a character, it’s every time you go to the next segment of the level. This would help with the tediousness with the level as it gets tiring having to restart the entire level for an S rank.
If that’s a problem for some people, then maybe do what Frontiers nowadays does, where beating a level under a specific condition could give you a marker on your S rank. You could be given a marker for beating a level without turning on the point saver in the options. You can also get the marker if you have the thing on if you beat the level without restarting a segment.
If I was forced to chose from what's not in the game I'd go:
Starlight
Casino night
Lava reef + hidden palace
Emerald Coast
Final rush
Hang castle
Westopolis
White acropolis
Dragon road
Asteroid coaster
Basically just for variation of themes
I feel like Cool Edge from Sonic Unleashed is getting slept on. If using Ice Cap's original music is impossible, Cool Edge is a more than adequate substitute. Gorgeous natural environment, tons of sweet water-running, beautiful and perfectly fitting music (which I noticed you used in the SU segment!)...what's not to love? Heartily agree with you on Asteroid Coaster, though. So many Sonic games move towards space in the end (Sonic 2, 3, SA2...), why not this one? And no, Time Eater doesn't count, because it's boring. 😅
S1: Green Hill
S2: Casino Night
SCD: Stardust Speedway
S3: Hydro City
S&K: Lava Reef
SA1: Lost World
SA2: City Escape
Heroes: Egg Fleet
Shadow: Westopolis
Sonic ‘06: Kingdom Valley
Secret Rings: Sand Oasis
Unleashed: Cool Edge
Black Knight: Faraway Avalon
Colours: Asteroid Coaster
Generations: White Space stage switching between Classic & Modern Sonic ala Eggmanland w/ Werehog, replaces Time Eater boss
For me, I’d have to choose:
1. Star Light Zone
2. Aquatic Ruin
3. Stardust Speedway or Tidal Tempest
4. Windy Valley or Lost World
5. Crazy Gadget or Metal Harbor
6. Frog Forest or Hang Castle
7. Radical Train or Tropical Jungle (Sonic/Elise).
8. The Pirate level or Leviathan Ruins
9. Cool Edge or Savannah Citadel
10. Starlight Carnival
1: Spring Yard Zone
2: Metropolis Zone
CD: Quartz Quadrant
3&K: However-you-pronounce-it Zone
Adventure: Windy Valley
Adventure 2: Metal Harbor
Heroes: Casino Park/Bingo Highway
06: Flame Core
Unleashed: Empire City
Colors: Aquarium Park
YESSS!!! ANOTHER FLAME CORE FAN!!
I think Sega would be a fool not to either add more levels to the game or dlc to expand the Sonic Generations experience, Sega have no idea that this game could be a cash cow if they make paid dlc for this game !
The sonic 1 takes are completely terrible and I’m baffled the fandom is still so comfortable bashing the shit out of it.
Sonic 3 betta
@@mondopatrick Sonic 3 is the best Classic Sonic game, Sonic 2 is great and introduced my fav character for a long time, before I switched to Shadow, and Sonic 1 is nostalgia, but other than that, is just there
8:01 the possibilities... are.. e-endless... endless... p..possibilities...
Casino Night’s already in the Console Generations as the only DLC available if you pre ordered the game on the 360 & PS3. However it’s free in the PC Version.
Edit: SEGA could’ve remixed all of Sonic 3’s original songs in Sonic Origins.
yeah but its not really a stage its a very bad pinball mini game
Ice Cap whould have been the Sonic 3 representative.
Sonic and Knuckles should have got its own representative in Sly Sanctuary.
Should have the game with 12 Stages instead of 9 as it was quite short.
Make the first area have 3 with Ice Cap and make a new Second Section with Sky Sanctuary for Knuckles > Collision Chaos as the CD representative > Regal Ruin or Spring Stadium as the Sonic R or 3D Blast Representative
iif i were choosing levels for a new sonic generations today with the shouldve been, i would choose these:
green hill, chemical plant, collision chaos, hydro city, lava reef for classic era, with metal sonic in stardust speedway for rival and big arm for the boss
sky deck, city escape, egg fortress, westopolis, and kingdom valley for era 2, with shadow as the rival and solaris as the boss (fight me)
idfk about secret rigns, jungle joyride (this is the most important change IMO bc this lvl is just perfect for... remastration... remastry... getting remastered bc of framerate aesthetic and music), camelot castle, aquarium park, splash hill for era 3 with silver for the rival (idc if his debut was last era) and egg dragoon for boss.
desSert ruins, studiopolis, mortar canyon, (I don't think frontiers could have a part here and I'm glad bc I cant leave out superstars or dream team) sky temple, and nightmare maze, with zavok as rival and (because we need frontiers representation) one of the 3 frontiers titans for boss.
I would also have liked to see;
Black Comet (Shadow the Hedgehog)
Babylon Gardens (Sonic Riders)
The Noctourne (Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood)
Ive been saying it ever since SxS Gens got announced. I hope they add 1 or 2 more stages for Sonic, since it is a "remaster", they'd have to balance the amount of stages for Shadow as well.
EDIT: Hopefully they do DLCs
Yeah they seriously need a CD stage, especially since its in origins and is finally recognized as a mainline game
Hope sonic x shadow will have DLC stage for both sonic and shadow, it would be amazing
of all the mods done on Generations, which stage do you like the most?
I'm kind of hoping they add Asteroid Coaster for Shadow generations. Shadow does show up in that level in a cutscene in Sonic Colors DS
5:36 your gonna love shadow generations bro😁😁
6:06 yeah
This is the kind of debate I've had with myself for 13 years.
Ultimately I am disappointed at the lack of space levels that Generations originally had, so if I were to fix that I'd put in Starlight Carnival instead of Planet Wisp for Colours, putting the space level as the last one for the game would give it some nice finality to the normal gameplay if you asked me, and I kinda don't like the execution of Planet Wisp in Gens to begin with.
Because of that, I'd need to get another forest/valley type of level, and I'd agree with putting Kingdom Valley to replace Crisis City. It's just the best representation of 06 if you asked me (though it might not explain Silver's boss fight quite so well, and Blaze is a bit more synonymous with the future environment of that game, but still I'd take Kingdom Valley any day.)
The idea of Ice Cap could be interesting because you could almost make Modern Sonic's version feel more like the Adventure stage where you end with the snowboard chase instead of starting it - it'd also fix the soundtrack issue as well where they'd play Be Cool, Be Wild, and Be Groovy instead of the 3&K version of it.
Ultimately if that takes the role of 3&K and Adventure together, then I'd have another game to play with here... Sonic Rush in 3D. Give me that Water Palace in 3D Generations! This goes alongside SA2 (I'd keep City Escape but if I had to replace it then Crazy Gadget would be some insane level of chaos lmao) and Heroes (I love Egg Fleet so much, but Grand Metropolis/Power Plant would've worked so well for the game.)
After those, I'd keep everything else as is.
replacing ice cap with the end part of the adventure version is actually genius i never thought of that
8:02 POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS? ENDLESS POSSIBILITES
0:43 oh yeah definitely
Sega is the master of missing out on easy fucking money in exchange for horrible dogshit decisions since ever. I REALLY HOPE they won't miss out on their 2nd chance for easy DLC (actual good dlc, not some model swaps) money with this one
8:01 nice reference
They could add a whole 4th Era with forces, lost world, and Mania
That would be sick
Egg Fleet. No question. Best level in heroes.
This probably wouldn't happend but it would be cool if they add spin off games for some levels like have Advance levels or Riders levels. They could of added that if Generations had dlc.
Advance games deserved representation in the 3DS version
I feel like modern sonic games has the best anniversary titles than the old ones. Sure sa2 was great but everything else wasn't very good but the modern games anniversary titles were games like generations, mania and frontiers which were very good
Great video! I think Sonic Generations is probably my favorite Sonic game just because of how straightforward it is. No gimmicks, no shallow and half-assed concepts, No weird side stories just straightforward levels of both varieties in terms of 2D and 3D. I think some of these stages should have been added as DLC. It made perfect sense and it would have added to the total length of the game. The story isn't that deep and the whole game was just an excuse to give fans what they wanted. This is one of the few and only times where I would have supported DLC because there could have been so much potential for great levels. Instead all we got was a pinball level which was kinda lame.
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Yeah getting more levels would have been great, I know they had to scrap some levels due to time constraints but it wouldve been cool to get those as DLC
Tbf they probably should have used flame core for 06 representation. And honestly they could have picked any area from unleashed and I would have been fine with it bc every stage in that game is great.
Good to see more Flame core fans
I have not played 06, but I plan on playing it on my 360 in August, so I'm looking forward to seeing Flame Core since many people seem to like it
I feel like Green Hill represents Sonic 1 the best. When it made a return in Sonic Generations, fans were thrilled. It's the fact that SEGA then mandated that EVERY SINGLE Sonic game after it should have a starter Green Hill zone of some kind that made fans dislike the stage!
Regardless, Starlight Zone, I think, would be the best second stage from Sonic 1.
Sonic 2… ahh, what would have been fun would be if Sonic Team had done one of the many, many, MANY unused levels from Sonic 2 for Generations.
But if I had to… I absolutely adore Chemical Plant and it reflects Sonic 2 perfect. People tend to associate Chemical Plant with Sonic 2, and it's arguably the most memorable stage in the game, so I think it's the right choice.
Otherwise, I like Hill Top - however, it's a bit boring and does lean a little against Green Hill with its colour palette, so I would probably go… Oil Ocean, to be honest. It's very iconic and very unique, standing out amongst Sonic levels in history much like Chemical plant. They could have done something ala Mania did with act 2 for the Classic stages.
For S3&K, I absolutely agree, Ice Cap would have been perfect and it is one of the few snow stages in Sonic history, and arguably the best one there is. However, given the licensing issue with the music, it would probably not be viable (and the one they use in Origins is really bad).
So… by popularity, likely Hydro City zone would have been the alternative choice. Though, I personally prefer Flying Battery and Lava Reef, and would have loved to see those.
For Adventure, I would go with either Red Mountain or Sky Deck, honestly. I know, unorthodox favourite levels from Adventure but I like playing through those stages a lot, and I absolutely agree, Speed Highway is kind of boring.
City Escape is absolutely PEAK city level and I would not have chosen otherwise for Generations, it's PERFECT.
That said, if I HAD to choose an alternative… I would honestly go for Metal Harbour or Green Forest. Like, imagine that Sonic has to go through Metal Harbour wearing an actual prison garb, and the more tricks he does off ramps, the more the clothes rips off him and signifying his breakout in a more humerous way.
I WOULD choose Radical Highway, but as that is not a stage that Sonic goes through in the story, but rather Shadow, it would not fit with Generations in this instance.
I am happy to see that it will make an appearance in Shadow's campaign, though ^^
Ah, Crazy Gadget could have been used for Generations. We don't have any space levels in Generations, and that one is iconic. Although, you do fight Shadow in the… Final Rush, I think is the name, as the rival battle in Generations, so I suppose not.
Sonic Heroes… whoof, that's a tough one. I like Haunted Mansion from that game, so if they combine the two haunted stages like they did with Seaside Hill and Ocean Palace for Generations, then I think it would be epic.
Otherwise, probably Frog Forest and its companion stage after it that I can never remember the name of… or the Egg Fleet and Final Fortress combined into one stage; either would be EPIC.
They should have included Shadow the Hedgehog stages though. I know you play as Shadow, but a player 2 can take control of Sonic in the stages he appears in - being Westopolis, Lethal Highway, Space Gadget and Final Haunt - and I was thinking one of those stages could be used for a Generations level.
Westopolis and Lethal Highway have the benefit that they are technically connected and takes place in the same city, so you could combine them into a giant level for Generations.
But they are city stages, so I would have gone for Final Haunt simply for being so different.
Space Gadget is based off Crazy Gadget from SA2, so using that would probably be confusing as people would probably think it's ANOTHER SA2 stage in Generations if it had made it in.
06, absolutely Kingdom Valley, but I do love Crisis City. It's a stupid challenging level and one of the two most iconic levels of 06. Given how very different Crisis City is to traditional city stages, I give it a pass for being one because it's literally on fire and ruined to the bone. It's AWESOME. I am sad we didn’t get the "snowboard" section of Crisis City into the Generations level, but I get it. They already have that in City Escape which is much more iconic than Crisis City 😅
Alternatively, you could use White Acropolis as the snow stage you were missing for Ice Cap. I know it does not have the charm of Ice Cap but, I think it could still work.
Now, Unleashed. I don’t like they chose Rooftop Run for that, I would have SO preferred Jungle Joyride, it is my FAVOURITE day level in Unleashed, it's just GORGEOUS and PERFECT. It's long, so much so that it is the only stage in Unleashed to have two sections within a single act. It's a jungle stage with beautiful music, and ah. This one has no contestants, it is absolutely perfect.
(Alternatively, you could have Eggmanland but, nah. Let's not torture ourselves, haha 😂)
Colours… I do think Planet Wisp is the right stage, but it is an absolutely awful level to play through in Generations. Plus, like most Colours stages, but especially Planet Wisp stages, most of it is 2D even for Modern sonic which is frustrating. I definitely think Aquarium Park, Starlight Carnival or Astorid Coaster would have been awesome in Generations and would balance it in a more 3D manner.
If it were up to me for sonic adventure 2 I would’ve gone with the metal harbour the music was elite and for colours either aquarium park or starlight carnival personally
If we had a Story Book stage, it should be from Black Knight instead of Secret Rings. Black Knight was such a blast.
Though i disagree I can at least say i really liked black knight as a kid
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I like Secret Rings aesthetic, but the controll was so awful that there was no way to get into it. The only other Sonic game to make me as mad as Rings did was 06.
Black Knight on the other hand is my favorite game with motion controls, they were simple but effective, and I still go back to replay it now and then to this day.
@Andrew7923 Secret rings is annoying but i kind of have fun with it, i liked its story and villian more, and thats why my experience of beating it though more frustrating than black knight feels more memorable..
Black Knight feels more fluid but its very short and easy and i kind of get bored with it fast, does have a great final boss
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I would call Black Knight easy for the most part (although it has it's moments), however I wouldn't call it short. It probably has about the same amount of content that Rings has, maby a bit more. It has quite a few levels that are at least 3-5 minutes long which is pretty good for a Sonic game. It also has some of the better replayabilaty, I had a blast as a kid getting the materials for new swords and equipment, it makes you play the stages in a completely different way.
Then there's the boss fights, they're all so fun even if.they don't have any real challenges until Percival. They really do nail the feeling of a sword dual.
8:01 I see what you did there!
hopefully the devs for sonic x shadow generations see this bc i really want casino night in the game as an actual stage in 3D not like the pinball thing
I get you were going for stage diversity, but Egg Fleet from Sonic Heroes would've been more awesome and climactic than either of the two Heroes stages you mentioned in my humble opinion.
Egg Fleet would work great but i just like frog forest and Hang castle far more
From Sonic Cd, i would like Palmtree Panic, that stage is so nostalgic for me, because I played sonic Cd so much wen i had my Xbox 360 and I played a lot of times the demo of the game wich only had the Palmtree Panic (or maybe i was too noob to pass all the 3 acts), for Sonic 3 and Knuckles, i would choose the angel Island, but Ice cap is a great stage to put in the game either, about Sonic heroes, i think that seaside hill is perfect, talking about the SA1 stage, I prefer emerald coast, but Twinkle Park is good too. (Im sorry if my English is bad, im still learning)
For me itd be:
Sonic 1: Star Light
Sonic 2: Mystic Cave
Sonic 3K: Ice Cap
SA1: Red Mountain
SA2: Final Rush
Sonic Heroes: Egg Fleet
Sonic 06: Hmmmmmm, probably Aquatic Base? Idk
Sonic Unleashed: Jungle Joyride
Sonic Colors: Asteroid Coaster
I think 3&K option is the best option, I just love the fact it mixes exploration and speed! Can't get enough of it, I'm disappointed in Origins though, the moment I made it to Ice Cap I paused it and took a break, I was waiting the entire time for Ice Cap's music just for it to be changed into mid music
I wish Sonic CD got a level like Stardust Speedway (ik Metal Sonic boss has it but i want it on a real level and on present)
Couldve been possible since crisis city was both a stage and boss stage as well
It's a shame SEGA didn't add a snow level
There is one in Unleashed and it's great (like all the day stages)
I like the unleashed ice level but i also hate it because of that *one* Bobsled segment
I agree with how you dislike planet wisp but I think I would go with starlight carnival because sonic generations has no amusement levels like casino night
For Sonic Adventure I think Emerald Coast
Casino Park, Rail Canyon, Hang Castle or Mystic Mansion and Egg Fleet.
Pyramid Cave would fit in Forces.
Rooftop Run was worse than Planet Wisp. Play the classic doppelganger mission and you will realise why.
@@Euro.PatriotAll the doppleganger missions were easy in my opinion
@@mondopatrick Replay it and get an S rank without beating anything.
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2:22 or they could use the be cool be wild And be groovy from sonic adventure but remix it
Would unironically be better
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Why didn’t you include Black Knight when you included Secret Rings? Black was released between Unleashed and Colors, so it doesn’t make any sense.
Black knights level design is built around the sword gameplay
secret rings is at least built around speedrunning and platforming
@@mondopatrick and yet the black knight level design works well with the boost gameplay as we’ve seen with the Camelot Castle level mod
For me i want 1 level from
Sonic and knuckles hidden palace
Sonic cd stardust speedway propper
Sonic and secret rings dinosaur jungle
Sonic and the black knight shrouded forest
As far as i know there arent many other games you could include
Hold up! Where is black knight?!
Not on this list cause i dont think it needs a stage in gens, what stage would you pick for it?
@@mondopatrick Probably Camelot, or Dragons Den.
@@lightspeedchaos8420I guess it would be cool boosting onto the giant dragons horn to defeat it or something
Black Knight's level design relied too heavily on the sword to the point where they all play the same way. Secret Rings (Even if it's worse) had more of a shot.
@gameman5804 I mean most stages in Gens weren't made with the boost gameplay or classic gameplay in mind, so they could easily just not make it rely on swordplay.
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