@@mergo5956Yeah probably. The 5f backdashes with 18f total duration are pretty goated. This is your Jack-O/Testament/HC. Perfect balance between speed and s. So they're great defensively while also being extremely difficult to react to like May/Millia backdash.
This has nothing to do with his kit, but a few friends of mine who are completely new to the series had me explain how his kit works and the conclusion they initially came to was that, since he sets up a mechanic that tacks on extra hits, he's similar to Bedman?. Long story short, they now sometimes call him ManMan.
@@VilArknights I'd argue that title is reserved for Testament, they also qualify for Bedman?-ness with Stain. The spot of BedWoman is already taken up by Delilah so... no idea what Jack-O could get. MinionMan? MinionMam since she's a lady? We'll let Freddy figure that one out.
When I first played Johnny in +R I thought you had to hit the coin with mist finer to get the upgraded mist finer glad to see that was an idea that the devs at arc sys had
Johnny main since his release. I think he's okay. He has very polarizing matchups. Some are absolutely brutal. His inability to dash block is borderline crippling in some matchups. That said, his offense is good enough to make work once he's in, even in the bad matchups for the most part. I think he'll always be held back by his inability to dash block. Likely around middle tier. If you're playing to win, as in trying to enter tournaments, I don't see a reason to pick Johnny over quite a few other characters. But he's extremely fun and I love the character so I'm sticking with him.
Air card and command jump is pretty fun to use. Definitely not able to dash block makes me nervous. I do think Johnny is in a fairly good place, he has a lot of unique movement.
Johnny can also confirm into full combos from punch Normals with a card and mist finer. So he probably has good staggers that he can convert off of, he is also just an insane conversion character.
johnny’s meter build feels dependent on conditioning. if your opponent respects a card toss into something or especially a mist finer cancel (gone but not forgotten🕊), it builds a lot of meter. and usually when i’m far away from my opponent (maybe post burst) a couple mist cancels grants a nice chunk of tension
As a new player Johnny has quickly entered the very long list of "characters I'll main once I get a good grasp on the game" and I went back to going unga bunga with Ky afterwards
His highest damage (that I know of) combo starters, meaning you can get 50% without meter: Close S, 2HS, 6HS needs a card setup but it’s good damage if you can land it, and finally mist finer, with a card of course.
I'm surprised you didn't mention another way where characters can be "burst safe". And it with really potent moves that force you into a longer hitstun but they're still able to freely move and potentially K ir S mistfiner with a card or ram swords in corner are pretty good examples. You can technically burst them there but since they have a lot of hitstun to work with its a bad idea as they don't have to immediately act if they want a combo.
@@natman2939 sorry I'm saying characters that have way still actively attack you while maintaining free movement are inherently more burst safe as they can just hold back while either waiting or before their next input to automatically block burst whilst not giving up a combo opportunity. For example Johnny's mist finer follow up when hitting a card on his P or K versions are very potent launchers so near the corner Johnny players hold down back to automatically bait burst while waiting for you to fall to follow up with c.S or 5K. Same with ram players, a lot of her corner routes launch 236S or 236HSearly in the combo during this time the swords are causing a wallbounce and then they explode keeping you in hitstun during this time Ram can move freely including by holding down back to automatically bait burst while she waits to follow up.
His charge ibagree feels slower in strive maybe it's because he had the cards now amd not theblinited coin resource he had in xrd to start a lot of his mixup or maybe I'm just imagining it and he still builds meter really quickly
The Axl matchup is impossible if: 1.- The axl player is good or knows what he's doing and 2.- you dont know how to play against him..... literally cannot touch him, mist finer K is always 1 pixel away from hitting, axl is technically out zoning johnny and without the DASH BLOCK ITS EVEN WORSE
In my experience (peak floor 8 player so grain of salt recommended) if you have meter then you can get some really unconventional positioning and hit S mist finers
How long until the next character? How often (how many months apart) do they tend to release. I want Johnny but I hate to buy the season pass when only 1 character is out and the others are not even announced
To answer your question, end of November is next release so expect first or second week of November for a trailer, 3rd could be anywhere between February or march, and last will likely be in May again. You’re gonna have to base it off of the second character or just kinda buy it if you are the type to play everyone
@@Vexce11en1 thanks. I am definitely the type that likes to play everyone. I just want to make sure I mesh well with the online of the game overall before I sink $75 for DLC
yeah for sure find a main on the main roster before anything, give it a good 20/30 hours of online with whoever you're playing before you really consider getting ALL the dlc. That's a decent amount of time to say you'll stay into the game. Also look up each of the character guides for each season and make sure you jive with them before grabbing a season.@@natman2939
One thing I've noticed is that my opponents dont pay attention to the cards like they should. Soon as a card hits the ground, they forget about it. Trust me....i remind them 🤭
I have no experience with older versions of Johnny as Strive is my first Guilty Gear. In my experience he has incredible potential but falls flat incredibly quickly in the hands of a gorilla player like me. It really might just be me but I swear he gets out played, ranged and sped by the weirdest match ups, but like said I'm still basically learning him after 1.5 months
something that i want to have studied is the interaction with clash and trades on mist finer when card procs as it stands right now, i'm pretty sure card procs on mist finer regardless of what state johnny is in at the time of activation which means johnny can just win trade with stuff when card is active and in certain circumstances trading puts him in an even better position than he would be if the opponent got hit normally and if this is true to the degree that i suspect it might be, it's going to make balancing the character a nightmare to do and he's already a very lopsided character with his kit in its current state
@@hlarjay7503 Historically, Johnny has always had good trade situations from leveled up mist finer. Imagine this: You are playing Guilty Gear Xrd Rev 2 and trade with level 3 K mist finer just past midscreen - Johnny proceeds to dash 3 times to the corner, whiffs cS by accident, walks forward for 30 frames, you're still wallstuck, and he combos you for 75% of your health and sets up level 3 again, an unblockable, or zweihander yrc into a 50/50. Could always be a lot worse lol. The trade situation for Johnny in Strive seems pretty tame to me honestly, and lots of other characters can set up great trades that lead to good situations and damage.
@@hlarjay7503 idk my homie plays Bridget and does rolling cancels into half screen lows that beat the 6p call out constantly. It's not like he's the only one with a set up tool that beats 6p when it "shouldn't". It's a little frustrating to deal with but he's certainly not the only character with access to that kind of option
@@HellecticMojo it's very frustrating. There aren't a lot of characters I fight that make me feel like I can't play. I look forward to better players figuring out how to deal with him cause I sure as hell don't know XD
Goldlewis main, and we suffer together. It absolutely socks to take one whiff punish from 3/4 screen and then get carried to to corner from anywhere where it feels like the game is over with card setups and mix.
6P negates many of Johnny’s offensive options. Not to mention low profile feels bad for him to deal with as most moves whiff *cough cough* crouching Faust
I wish Johnny's reward on block after card was different than guard break... Gold Lewis can just pull up and pretty much do the same with no two steps.
@@thekeening3778 Just something different than guard break. Reward can still be plus double digits. It's just lack luster and not as creative as I thought it would be imo.
Cause his nickname is Lord Cap. He's very intelligent and knowledgeable but he's been known to downplay and overhype certain characters he likes or dislikes.
Bro nobody thinks red wild assault is the best what are you talking about, even arc sys themselves know white is blatantly and purposefully the best wild assault, give any character without white wild assault white wild assault and they will easily be a tier
politely, this is cap, red is instant (can't react on hit so you can't burst), and ups conversion ability, giving chars who have no business converting access to positive for free, and then you get the meter back White is ANNOYING for sure, but it isn't as good as red
I just wish theyd add a character whos win condition isnt "be plus and make them guess randomly at close range". So far youve got axl (boring) testament (simple) and HC who is pain
His big normals are disjointed only at very tip range, mist is punishable unless you have card out or at tip range. No consistent way to deal with projectiles, ensenga only frame traps/block string off of level 4 normals so 6h 6k and 2h. Vault is at perfect timing -1 on block and out of throw range, making it potentially safe but it's not his turn anymore. His highest damage combos are extremely difficult. He is strong but he's not brain dead broken. Learn the matchup, or play a zoner.
my b his backdash is 18 total, not 16
also pls subscribe
Is it still the best backdash in the game?
@@mergo5956Yeah probably. The 5f backdashes with 18f total duration are pretty goated. This is your Jack-O/Testament/HC. Perfect balance between speed and s. So they're great defensively while also being extremely difficult to react to like May/Millia backdash.
Or else.
Would Johnny be broken if he could dash block?
This has nothing to do with his kit, but a few friends of mine who are completely new to the series had me explain how his kit works and the conclusion they initially came to was that, since he sets up a mechanic that tacks on extra hits, he's similar to Bedman?.
Long story short, they now sometimes call him ManMan.
Fits well honestly
LeanMan?
Does that make Jack-O WomanMan?
@@VilArknights I'd argue that title is reserved for Testament, they also qualify for Bedman?-ness with Stain.
The spot of BedWoman is already taken up by Delilah so... no idea what Jack-O could get. MinionMan? MinionMam since she's a lady? We'll let Freddy figure that one out.
@@GumshoeClassic Except Testament is Agender so it'd be ThemMan
I read "3 minutes ago" as "3 months ago" And almost didnt click lmao
Watch anyway xD
Nah that video woulda been called "JOHHNY IS BROKEN"
Well, now it's been 3 months lol
When I first played Johnny in +R I thought you had to hit the coin with mist finer to get the upgraded mist finer glad to see that was an idea that the devs at arc sys had
I miss level 3 mist finer, and it's rapid slashing bullshit
ULTRAKILL
They stole the idea from you sue them for millions
@@OwlsNeck your so right
Johnny main since his release. I think he's okay. He has very polarizing matchups. Some are absolutely brutal. His inability to dash block is borderline crippling in some matchups. That said, his offense is good enough to make work once he's in, even in the bad matchups for the most part. I think he'll always be held back by his inability to dash block. Likely around middle tier. If you're playing to win, as in trying to enter tournaments, I don't see a reason to pick Johnny over quite a few other characters. But he's extremely fun and I love the character so I'm sticking with him.
the block to win vs hit to win thing really resonates with me as an mbaacc player lol
I was literally playing FEH while watching your video and the music choice tripped me out. Loving the content as always LK!
Air card and command jump is pretty fun to use. Definitely not able to dash block makes me nervous.
I do think Johnny is in a fairly good place, he has a lot of unique movement.
He was never able to block dash in any game. He did have a jump cancel in his dash though
I can handle no dash block, but let him jump any time throughout the dash instead of just the start
It's time to be honest, LK. How strong is Sin?
You gave me flashbacks when I used to play Fire Emblem Heroes with this OST
one thing about his 2p mash is that he gets a hkd that he can set card off through 2p > 214s, so his reward for mashing is higher than most imo
Johnny can also confirm into full combos from punch Normals with a card and mist finer. So he probably has good staggers that he can convert off of, he is also just an insane conversion character.
Babe wake up, new Lordknight video!!
Dann this thumbnail is 🔥 🔥
Hello Mr. Lord of the Knights. When are you planning to play "A.K.I" the recently released character from the hit fighting game Street Fighter 6.
johnny with the beard is cursed
Brother Johnny with the beard is sick not gonna lie
@@Shione_Starlightwould be sick if it didnt look drawn on with sharpie
Let’s gooo Johnny mains.
Our boys is back
johnny’s meter build feels dependent on conditioning. if your opponent respects a card toss into something or especially a mist finer cancel (gone but not forgotten🕊), it builds a lot of meter. and usually when i’m far away from my opponent (maybe post burst) a couple mist cancels grants a nice chunk of tension
Uhh, must finer cancels exist. Wtf are you on?
@@Clone4082 i was just joking about how strive mist finer cancels aren’t plus like in xrd or +r, essentially making them gimmicks now
As a new player Johnny has quickly entered the very long list of "characters I'll main once I get a good grasp on the game" and I went back to going unga bunga with Ky afterwards
Same
15:16 "penis finder"
Glad I’m not the only one
Johnny has a _what_ ?
Another amazing Great video.
LK thanks
His highest damage (that I know of) combo starters, meaning you can get 50% without meter: Close S, 2HS, 6HS needs a card setup but it’s good damage if you can land it, and finally mist finer, with a card of course.
Nice video! Would love to hear your opinion on the new Sin now that he's had some time to cook a bit.
I'm surprised you didn't mention another way where characters can be "burst safe". And it with really potent moves that force you into a longer hitstun but they're still able to freely move and potentially K ir S mistfiner with a card or ram swords in corner are pretty good examples. You can technically burst them there but since they have a lot of hitstun to work with its a bad idea as they don't have to immediately act if they want a combo.
Can you word this a little differently? I’m confused what is this other ways can be burst safe?
@@natman2939 sorry I'm saying characters that have way still actively attack you while maintaining free movement are inherently more burst safe as they can just hold back while either waiting or before their next input to automatically block burst whilst not giving up a combo opportunity.
For example Johnny's mist finer follow up when hitting a card on his P or K versions are very potent launchers so near the corner Johnny players hold down back to automatically bait burst while waiting for you to fall to follow up with c.S or 5K. Same with ram players, a lot of her corner routes launch 236S or 236HSearly in the combo during this time the swords are causing a wallbounce and then they explode keeping you in hitstun during this time Ram can move freely including by holding down back to automatically bait burst while she waits to follow up.
@@natman2939they’re talking about hit confirming
I would say good enough. I just wish the other mist finers were available during his stance instead of being locked to just one of them.
His charge ibagree feels slower in strive maybe it's because he had the cards now amd not theblinited coin resource he had in xrd to start a lot of his mixup or maybe I'm just imagining it and he still builds meter really quickly
Take a shot every time LK says "attack from safe ranges"
If johnny could dash block I would be satisfied, the most irritating shit is the amount of time the dash takes
The Axl matchup is impossible if: 1.- The axl player is good or knows what he's doing and 2.- you dont know how to play against him..... literally cannot touch him, mist finer K is always 1 pixel away from hitting, axl is technically out zoning johnny and without the DASH BLOCK ITS EVEN WORSE
In my experience (peak floor 8 player so grain of salt recommended) if you have meter then you can get some really unconventional positioning and hit S mist finers
Thx for explaining why j.H hits, when I 6P too late. Now that know its obvious and less tilting.
You gotta get masoma on the podcast.
How long until the next character? How often (how many months apart) do they tend to release.
I want Johnny but I hate to buy the season pass when only 1 character is out and the others are not even announced
You can buy just johnny too
To answer your question, end of November is next release so expect first or second week of November for a trailer, 3rd could be anywhere between February or march, and last will likely be in May again. You’re gonna have to base it off of the second character or just kinda buy it if you are the type to play everyone
@@captaincookie5042 yeah but then I end up wasting money if I end up wanting all 4 of them eventually plus don’t you get colors and stages too?
@@Vexce11en1 thanks. I am definitely the type that likes to play everyone.
I just want to make sure I mesh well with the online of the game overall before I sink $75 for DLC
yeah for sure find a main on the main roster before anything, give it a good 20/30 hours of online with whoever you're playing before you really consider getting ALL the dlc. That's a decent amount of time to say you'll stay into the game. Also look up each of the character guides for each season and make sure you jive with them before grabbing a season.@@natman2939
15:14 the what finer!?😳
(I know its p mist finer)
I think if Johnny had a dash block, he would be S tier or fringe S tier.
never showed his teleport trick?
One thing I've noticed is that my opponents dont pay attention to the cards like they should. Soon as a card hits the ground, they forget about it. Trust me....i remind them 🤭
I have no experience with older versions of Johnny as Strive is my first Guilty Gear. In my experience he has incredible potential but falls flat incredibly quickly in the hands of a gorilla player like me. It really might just be me but I swear he gets out played, ranged and sped by the weirdest match ups, but like said I'm still basically learning him after 1.5 months
something that i want to have studied is the interaction with clash and trades on mist finer when card procs
as it stands right now, i'm pretty sure card procs on mist finer regardless of what state johnny is in at the time of activation which means johnny can just win trade with stuff when card is active and in certain circumstances trading puts him in an even better position than he would be if the opponent got hit normally
and if this is true to the degree that i suspect it might be, it's going to make balancing the character a nightmare to do and he's already a very lopsided character with his kit in its current state
Yea it feels really bad to 6p a Johnny that over extended but the card covers it
@@hlarjay7503 Historically, Johnny has always had good trade situations from leveled up mist finer. Imagine this:
You are playing Guilty Gear Xrd Rev 2 and trade with level 3 K mist finer just past midscreen - Johnny proceeds to dash 3 times to the corner, whiffs cS by accident, walks forward for 30 frames, you're still wallstuck, and he combos you for 75% of your health and sets up level 3 again, an unblockable, or zweihander yrc into a 50/50.
Could always be a lot worse lol. The trade situation for Johnny in Strive seems pretty tame to me honestly, and lots of other characters can set up great trades that lead to good situations and damage.
@@hlarjay7503 idk my homie plays Bridget and does rolling cancels into half screen lows that beat the 6p call out constantly. It's not like he's the only one with a set up tool that beats 6p when it "shouldn't". It's a little frustrating to deal with but he's certainly not the only character with access to that kind of option
his mist finer needs to delete projectiles and his step dash needs to be better like leos, other than that, he's an okay character.
No...he doesn't need that
@@khaosleigon504this man wants a more broken version of Johnny than he was in xrd🤦
@@pancakes7483 dude wants a MVC collab mix with guilty gear lmao 🤣🤣
@@khaosleigon504 oh hell nah, don't let that man cook 😂 man is gonna get us all killed
@@pancakes7483 lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Awaiting the "how good is season 3 Jack-O really?" video 🙂
Given the fact her most successful player ( eddventure ) is probably looking to switch out, not great.
Like, she's fine, but eh..
oh i know, that's why i want the video 😊@@Nooctae
what controller do you use?
YOU CAN SET HER TO BURST ON 7TH?!?! hiw 8:33
you can set them on burst to up to the 20th hit
Goatknight
As a Pot main, very good.
but he loses to chaos, so very bad.
wakarimasen~
Ah, a fellow pot main. I'm struggling against Johnny. I feel like I can't do anything in neutral against this character lol.
@@GrampaCramps I'm just yolo'ing with hammerfall until better tech comes along. If they finer, they die. If they just held to block, they win.
@@HellecticMojo it's very frustrating. There aren't a lot of characters I fight that make me feel like I can't play. I look forward to better players figuring out how to deal with him cause I sure as hell don't know XD
Goldlewis main, and we suffer together. It absolutely socks to take one whiff punish from 3/4 screen and then get carried to to corner from anywhere where it feels like the game is over with card setups and mix.
@@neog8029I’m an Asuka main….still trying to gain muscle memory using spells.
Johnny and Sin are a punishment from hell 2 me 😅🔥💯
Those greys
Are we getting old?
6P negates many of Johnny’s offensive options. Not to mention low profile feels bad for him to deal with as most moves whiff *cough cough* crouching Faust
I wish Johnny's reward on block after card was different than guard break... Gold Lewis can just pull up and pretty much do the same with no two steps.
+double digits gaurd crush is basically the best reward a blocked attack can give you. What else would you want?
@@thekeening3778 Just something different than guard break. Reward can still be plus double digits. It's just lack luster and not as creative as I thought it would be imo.
@@Caseyisforeverr I think I get what you're saying. Something closer to the level mechanic. That actually modifies Johnnys moves
@@thekeening3778 yeah, It of course doesn't have to lead to anything outrageous like an unlockable. Lol
Commenting for the algo
Ngl i thought this was about johny cage
Na the superior Johnny
Why does LK always feel like people don't believe him, what's the lore 😂 ?
Because his channel has two consistent idiots that harp on him and call him names.
Cause his nickname is Lord Cap. He's very intelligent and knowledgeable but he's been known to downplay and overhype certain characters he likes or dislikes.
@@iAmCalypso33for example millia, which is why we have that rodent in the comments lol
Bro nobody thinks red wild assault is the best what are you talking about, even arc sys themselves know white is blatantly and purposefully the best wild assault, give any character without white wild assault white wild assault and they will easily be a tier
politely, this is cap, red is instant (can't react on hit so you can't burst), and ups conversion ability, giving chars who have no business converting access to positive for free, and then you get the meter back
White is ANNOYING for sure, but it isn't as good as red
I just wish theyd add a character whos win condition isnt "be plus and make them guess randomly at close range". So far youve got axl (boring) testament (simple) and HC who is pain
Idk man HC is literally like the best character at doing "be plus and make them guess randomly at close range"
@@garhentai5386chaos is playing gg + r and having fun with his own game lol
am sorry but that thumbnail is not good
Who cares
🧢
A worse Goldlewis.
really good, borderline broken lmao yet another brain brainless top tier
You have not even watched the vid yet
“Anyone that isn’t my character is braindead.”
sounds like a perfect fit for you
average character complainer moment
His big normals are disjointed only at very tip range, mist is punishable unless you have card out or at tip range.
No consistent way to deal with projectiles, ensenga only frame traps/block string off of level 4 normals so 6h 6k and 2h.
Vault is at perfect timing -1 on block and out of throw range, making it potentially safe but it's not his turn anymore.
His highest damage combos are extremely difficult.
He is strong but he's not brain dead broken. Learn the matchup, or play a zoner.