The $50,000 beer: why very attractive women aren't on dating apps

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  • @psychacks
    @psychacks  9 дней назад +113

    This is the second part in my three-part series on why successful men use escorts. There is a reason very beautiful women aren't on dating apps. Much like very successful men, exceptionally beautiful men are priced out of the sexual marketplace as traditional dating becomes increasingly expensive for them. The $50,000 beer exemplifies how opportunity cost can influence behavior among these populations to a greater extent than can intrinsic personality factors. Differences between scarcity and abundance mentality are also discussed.
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    • @JoseChung21
      @JoseChung21 9 дней назад +7

      This truly requires a 10 hour podcast to completely flesh out. Perhaps an economic argument can be made to legalize this taboo profession not only with respect to its impact on GDP but also it's ability to be taxed to fund projects and spending for public good.

    • @kungfujoe2136
      @kungfujoe2136 9 дней назад +2

      allso why sattel for an Amateur when you can have a pro

    • @ll6216
      @ll6216 9 дней назад +4

      @@psychacks where's the citations?

    • @JosephERICFisk
      @JosephERICFisk 9 дней назад +1

      17 minutes is too long! 😡

    • @KS-ij2oz
      @KS-ij2oz 9 дней назад +14

      This video seems anti-relationship and very cynical about both sexes. What about emotional connection, respect, friendship, intimacy, partnership, support, companionship? I have learned a lot from watching you, but this one really bothers me. I am a 59 year old very attractive (no plastic surgery or filler 😅) woman, a high value women most would say, and I don’t sleep with a guy until I get to know him. You are basically saying that all men only date for sex. I don’t think it’s true but if it was, it would be very depressing. I was on a date last night with a man (55) who is extremely sexy, smart, attractive, successful. We have another date scheduled. He was nothing but a gentleman. He is a father of daughters and is very protective of women. To me it was perfect and he expressed that he had a great time and is excited to get together again, despite no sex (yet). Is he an anomaly?

  • @josephoduor2358
    @josephoduor2358 9 дней назад +1674

    "Women, if you make men wait, you will end up with the men with time on their hands."

    • @InsipidRoustabout
      @InsipidRoustabout 9 дней назад +24

      4:14

    • @roberthawkins3106
      @roberthawkins3106 9 дней назад +43

      Best quote

    • @Odthean
      @Odthean 9 дней назад +20

      so true

    • @hurrikane1449
      @hurrikane1449 9 дней назад +60

      Will go over 95% of their heads lol

    • @kargs5krun
      @kargs5krun 9 дней назад +22

      Logical women, albeit the few, understand this quote already. And ironically, so do the few(?) who don't care. Because they have a different agenda in mind for what to do to with "time on their hands " situations.

  • @joaomaria2398
    @joaomaria2398 9 дней назад +953

    "Why very attractive women aren't on dating apps?"
    Because they are on Instagram!
    LMAO

    • @ArmyWolves
      @ArmyWolves 9 дней назад +74

      💥 and on Instagram they have RUclips celebrities, successful men, talent scouts etc all sliding into their DMs. . .

    • @jambajoby32
      @jambajoby32 9 дней назад +4

      😂

    • @simontmn
      @simontmn 9 дней назад +12

      Sometimes they are on both. I met an Instagrammer on eHarmony.

    • @your_royal_highness
      @your_royal_highness 9 дней назад +27

      Or onlyfans

    • @JonathanVachon777
      @JonathanVachon777 9 дней назад +1

      Right 😂

  • @mystykalmn4434
    @mystykalmn4434 9 дней назад +750

    For Men is cheaper to be single and for women is cheaper to be in relationship

  • @feralandroid
    @feralandroid 9 дней назад +306

    Being single and not chasing women for the last 5 years after my divorce, I have saved more money then I thought possible. There is a huge price to being in any relationship with a woman.

    • @rayrwyr
      @rayrwyr 9 дней назад +4

      How did you meet your zexual needs, assuming you have some?

    • @bennettjohnson2631
      @bennettjohnson2631 9 дней назад +21

      Sometimes you just gotta go without especially if you have standards at least I do

    • @M0viLover
      @M0viLover 9 дней назад

      @@rayrwyr Hit a s3x doll site, and buy a torso for 600 bucks.

    • @JosephKelly-uj1zo
      @JosephKelly-uj1zo 9 дней назад +19

      I would have retired ten years earlier if I had learned that lesson earlier.

    • @summmmmmable
      @summmmmmable 9 дней назад +22

      Same here! Dating scene for middle age man is just too expensive. I don’t need a woman beside me and boss me around and make my life miserable

  • @revolutionaryhamburger
    @revolutionaryhamburger 9 дней назад +720

    The truth is the woman won't wait if she wants it. If she doesn't want it, she's not going to be worth the wait.

    • @rmsfootball63
      @rmsfootball63 9 дней назад +55

      @@revolutionaryhamburger BINGO!!! If you have to guess at all about the girl liking you, then you need to move on.

    • @RecreationalUseOnly
      @RecreationalUseOnly 9 дней назад +30

      She wouldn’t make Chris Hemsworth wait.

    • @jeffreycfmok
      @jeffreycfmok 9 дней назад +34

      Word. Women who actually want you wouldn't make you wait. She would be making herself wait... and what woman has that kind of discipline these days

    • @redpilljesus
      @redpilljesus 9 дней назад +15

      She'll wait when she thinks it will secure her more investment.

    • @Khan-rz8qi
      @Khan-rz8qi 9 дней назад +37

      Yup, I’m not married, but the women who’ve given into me the fastest, ended up getting the most genuine and generous sides of me. Mainly because at that point you know she gave in cause she REALLY likes you, which increases your motivation to reciprocate more, at least for me. When you see them tilting towards making you “wait” you already know it’s BS and cause she sees other traits in you that can benefit her long term, not cause she views you in a very sexually desirable light. Because best believe, most women have slept quickly with a guy before, simply because of pure unadulterated attraction.(I would know, I’m a very attractive dude myself). Thats what most men want, that security of knowing she views you as number 1, that boost to your ego makes you wanna go all out! Especially when you pair this up with a woman that has a very kind soul and cheery personality.🙏💯💯

  • @1989Mordwin
    @1989Mordwin 9 дней назад +632

    I have always found it baffling, that so many women have the attitude of wanting to be appreciated for their personality instead of their body, while at the same time being so entitled that they feel they don't have to sell their personality.

    • @redpilljesus
      @redpilljesus 9 дней назад +71

      A woman who likes you will talk you into her. Literally.

    • @ThomasFaller
      @ThomasFaller 9 дней назад +47

      And at the same time, being obsessed with their looks, clothes, hair, makeup, etc.

    • @mediocreman2
      @mediocreman2 9 дней назад +45

      And they want you to be attracted to their body and they dress in such ways to garner attention to their bodies. But heaven forbid you express that you're attracted to their bodies.

    • @jacquelinee1220
      @jacquelinee1220 9 дней назад +45

      We appreciate compliments on our bodies and our personality. I think a woman should be excited to know that the man she is with or dating finds her sexually attractive but for most conventionally attractive women, they hear it very often, it doesn't impress them. Also, alot of women assume men's standards for sex is lower, so the compliment means nothing. Perhaps they only get annoyed if they're not attracted to the guy making the compliment.

    • @VaronPlateando
      @VaronPlateando 9 дней назад

      good point. seeing through them renders personality irrelevant anyway. if even moderately ‚appealing‘ (while faked up) xx.s have bd.cnt >> 10(0). there‘s abundance in zombies with prospect on rel.ship.wreackages around. and those 9..10s in escort mode | as likely alpha widows are included here. be they gone wherevever, pass left (x). gents actually don’t have to settle for any xx.s at all, ever.

  • @Mari-gl2tk
    @Mari-gl2tk 6 дней назад +25

    I’m a woman and prefer coffee dates, walks, doing sports together, basically free or low cost dates. I just want to get to know someone and build a genuine connection, expensive dates aren’t required for that. But no way will I sleep with a guy on the first date, or sleep with every guy I date, that’s disgusting and hard on a woman’s soul.

    • @juliea.
      @juliea. 5 дней назад +11

      So well-said. These videos are ridiculous.

    • @tdaye6978
      @tdaye6978 День назад

      @@juliea. They're only ridiculous if you live in a fairytale. It's fine not to sleep with a guy quickly when you're young. But by a certain age, we all know you've done a lot for little or nothing. We know what you'll do for the guy you like, so we know how you feel when you don't do the same for another guy.
      Don't hate the player, hate the game.

    • @juliea.
      @juliea. День назад

      @@tdaye6978 Keep telling yourself that.

    • @skyeeesss
      @skyeeesss 17 часов назад +2

      @@Mari-gl2tk seriously…like whatever happened to having genuine connection with someone. That is something I crave

  • @nicolecleric9405
    @nicolecleric9405 9 дней назад +163

    All the happiest relationships I know literally just met someone and clicked with them. It should be that simple. I think the problem is that most people of both genders are not prioritizing genuine connection. Everyone is so poisoned from online dating discourse that they can’t approach dating innocently and lose the ability to distinguish genuine affection from survival instinct.
    As a woman, my feed is always giving me “dating advice” and urging me to automatically reject any man that doesn’t automatically treat you like a prize just for existing. I never see anyone question, “do you even like him?” It’s just about what you can get out of them.
    The truth is when you approach dating like this people can sense how poisoned you are. It makes your personality and spirit unpleasant and unfeminine. I believe in traditional roles, but this always felt so dehumanizing and infantilizing to me. Its disrespectful to both the man and to ourselves.
    This is just an example, men have their own versions of this poisonous rhetoric. We’re all being spiritually poisoned and broken down for the same reasons.

    • @Lex_Lugar
      @Lex_Lugar 9 дней назад +34

      Great comment. Can’t believe any women bother with this content and I like a lot of his stuff but this just feeds angry men online

    • @nicolecleric9405
      @nicolecleric9405 9 дней назад +8

      @@Lex_Lugari get recommended his page a lot and sometimes lurk, I’m really curious about this stuff

    • @renardbennett75
      @renardbennett75 9 дней назад +27

      This is a GREAT take! You said that so much better than I could have. Human connection isn’t a commodity to be traded in an open market.

    • @carlospita6442
      @carlospita6442 9 дней назад +4

      Treat you like a prize but the men you're going out with is probably talker, stronger and makes more money than you, so if he's better than you on must aspects how're you a prize ?

    • @csmith9699
      @csmith9699 9 дней назад +10

      ​@@renardbennett75 Yes...meet partners in the real world, not much different from meeting friends. Connection can't be overstated imo. It seems that's of no interest for the most part on this channel

  • @shatakshipandey8014
    @shatakshipandey8014 9 дней назад +56

    Honestly, engaging in today's hookup and dating culture is an embarrassing and an aweful way to live. Men worry about money, women worry about safety. Be nice to the people you emgage with. Sometimes patience and politeness also gets you what you want.

    • @goazer2
      @goazer2 6 дней назад +10

      Yeah giving the advice to women that they should put out to guys they're after without a lot of qualification is spectacularly bad advice because it just results in getting used by guys who are out of their league or don't have an interest in them then by the time they figure out what they're doing wrong they're so screwed up emotionally and traumatized they'll need 2-3 relationships in a row of men willing to put up with a massive amount of abuse being punished for all the previous relationship failures to recover. And the number of women who can get that is not very high.
      This is one of the main reasons so many women aren't getting married today, men would rather leave the country or not date at all then deal with this.

    • @rizzamaeong
      @rizzamaeong 4 дня назад +2

      ​@@goazer2No one ever said dating and mating would be easy.
      All genders must adjust expectations.

    • @goazer2
      @goazer2 3 дня назад +1

      @@rizzamaeong Yeah but the chances the high level guy will actually date or commit to them is like 5% according to the numbers I've seen. And in a lot of cases it negatively affects future relationships. So this is not good advice.

  • @FloridaManConstruction
    @FloridaManConstruction 9 дней назад +319

    “I didn’t pay them for sex, I paid them to leave”
    -Charlie Sheen

    • @peaceonearth8693
      @peaceonearth8693 9 дней назад +4

      Wasn't he the king dork though?

    • @gregorylatta8159
      @gregorylatta8159 9 дней назад +23

      With HIV.

    • @MrBendacorna
      @MrBendacorna 9 дней назад +1

      @@peaceonearth8693 what’s your point?

    • @MrBendacorna
      @MrBendacorna 9 дней назад +1

      @@gregorylatta8159your point?

    • @peaceonearth8693
      @peaceonearth8693 9 дней назад +9

      @@MrBendacorna The point is that if someone is a fool, then their 'wisdom' is worthless. What C.S. said, sounds like him bragging that he was so in demand that he had to fight women off. Which would put himself as so much better than regular guys. Someone with that attitude is a dork, imho.

  • @tiomoidofangle102
    @tiomoidofangle102 8 дней назад +117

    "Women make rules for Betas, and break rules for Alphas." -- Rollo Tomassi

    • @ikevin127
      @ikevin127 7 дней назад +3

      ✅ Verified statement.

    • @stevendavidson8733
      @stevendavidson8733 6 дней назад +3

      @@tiomoidofangle102 did he come up with that in high school? It sounds so high school to me.

    • @Unhinged29
      @Unhinged29 6 дней назад +3

      @@stevendavidson8733 doesn't make it wrong though.

    • @goazer2
      @goazer2 6 дней назад

      Yeah the issue most men have with women sleeping on the first date is that if you do it for the chads you should be doing it for the regular guys you're serious about. Because otherwise that's just stupid and unfair. However you shouldn't be sleeping with guys on the first date in the first place.

    • @michaelmarchanda
      @michaelmarchanda 6 дней назад

      nailed

  • @Juan_Olmos
    @Juan_Olmos 9 дней назад +119

    This "economics of relationships" mentality is so freaking harsh for us romantics, but sadly so REAL.

    • @MVProfits
      @MVProfits 9 дней назад +5

      Count on women, especially do called "good ones", to crush the dreamer out of you. Sad, but it is what it is. I'm a "half-Chad", and Ive been treated waaayyy better as a player, except for the infatuation period.

    • @madslasher18
      @madslasher18 9 дней назад +1

      Wayyyyyyuu better as a player by a long shot

    • @lilbroomstick7914
      @lilbroomstick7914 8 дней назад +1

      Honestly it’s freeing to hear. You no longer have to operate under this guise of love and romanticism, operating under the laws of economics and practicality is much more approachable

    • @fallen546
      @fallen546 8 дней назад

      I agree, it's disappointing at first, but i've come to realize romance is for women. We create emotional experiences for them to make them feel good, which can feel fulfilling. Unfortunately it means the magic trick is ruined for you personally because you know how it's done.

    • @onemillionpercent
      @onemillionpercent 6 дней назад +1

      It's harsh for us romantics, we can just check out from this and talk to real, normal, well adjusted people (who also tend to be romantics)

  • @advaitchougule242
    @advaitchougule242 9 дней назад +392

    Your thumbnails designer should get a raise!! I first discovered your channel because of your unique thumbnails. I always love your thumbnails. It looks like I'm going to read a novel

    • @ATORI_ENZO
      @ATORI_ENZO 9 дней назад +18

      Are they not AI generated? They are beautiful.

    • @yuris6125
      @yuris6125 9 дней назад +29

      They are Art Deco-inspired, I love them, too! 👍🏿

    • @Bricecenturion974
      @Bricecenturion974 9 дней назад +7

      Same here, very interesting one !

    • @2yoober
      @2yoober 9 дней назад +6

      Hear, hear! 😎

    • @phoenixmonkee
      @phoenixmonkee 9 дней назад +5

      @@yuris6125 Indeed!! Love them as well!

  • @johannesdolch
    @johannesdolch 9 дней назад +533

    The most insulting thing is that you have a 30 year old who was easy when she was young and hot but now suddenly wants to be treated as a lady. No comment.

    • @hurrikane1449
      @hurrikane1449 9 дней назад +66

      Our dating market in a nutshell my friend

    • @estuardo2985
      @estuardo2985 9 дней назад +59

      yep the ran through alpha widow who will treat the next man as second class at best wants an even higher value. Yep makes sense.

    • @detroitvcw
      @detroitvcw 9 дней назад +39

      Automatic disqualifier. Most women nowadays, especially if she has kids. She's simply looking to funnel ALL the benefits out of a man, while she holds her bargaining chip

    • @alexmuenster2102
      @alexmuenster2102 9 дней назад +14

      @@detroitvcw >>simply looking to cipher ALL the benefits out of a man

    • @oumaima854
      @oumaima854 9 дней назад +1

      @@johannesdolch I don’t get it?
      - If she was a hoe in her twenties she MUST stay a hoe for the rest of her life otherwise she’s a hypocrite ?
      - do you feel entitled to her body just because she had sex before ? Wouldn’t it be easier to just leave her alone?
      And isn’t this how women’s body count keep doubling in first place ?
      This reminds me of kids who sell flowers in the streets of poor countries, if you buy from one of them you’ll have to buy from the rest of them.

  • @Alexanderrayman
    @Alexanderrayman 9 дней назад +39

    Seems like a rather callous take on life and relationships imho.
    Sure, that might be my social standing talking, but I'd rather be married and living a "normal" life with my run of the mill wife and kids than doing 80 hours at work and dating escorts. The person living that life might not be shallow,, but the life as such is. Damn it must be depressing.

    • @Prototyp3m1nd
      @Prototyp3m1nd 7 дней назад +7

      An escort won't take everything you've worked your whole life to build, while a run of the mill wife can. Every opportunity has a cost and everyone has to decide which costs they want to pay.

    • @user-zv8md9xv8c
      @user-zv8md9xv8c 7 дней назад +3

      You don't think it could be depressing for a guy knowing he's stuck in a marriage pounding away at a mid in his own tier like him whenever she's in the mood but at any moment she could turn around and shoot him in the face with a divorce? I do agree with you in one aspect though, "You're as lucky as you feel." So. Do you feel lucky?

    • @mistress.villaina7591
      @mistress.villaina7591 3 дня назад

      @@Alexanderraymanyour right, this is just red pill concepts repackaged

    • @YoYo-gt5iq
      @YoYo-gt5iq 3 дня назад +3

      Married 20 years and am very happy. If we ever broke up, I'd eventually look for a loving partner again.
      Could I save money by not doing that? Sure, but it's worth the cost to have the best.

    • @Tontataki
      @Tontataki День назад +2

      It's because perspective of the video is centered about the money value of dating. Take money out of the ecuation, and you get the most beautiful women going for the guys they feel most secure with.

  • @douglasauclair3086
    @douglasauclair3086 8 дней назад +29

    I learned scarcity vs abundance from my wife, who is Pinay. Her family doesn't have a mechanical dish washer and washing machine, they have a maid, who also cooks for them. When we got married and I went to mow the lawn, my wife asked me, 'why? How much do you make in an hour? How much does contracting that out cost?' We have our house cleaned and our lawn mowed, and I keep making more and more per hour. So: instead of losing $50 to have somebody else mow our lawn, our family has made millions over these past five years because I pay somebody else to mow the lawn, and, with that time, I concentrate on building our business.

    • @GearZNet
      @GearZNet 6 дней назад +2

      Based Pinay wife.

    • @rizzamaeong
      @rizzamaeong 4 дня назад

      I'm Filipina.
      But you didn't even have to learn that from her.
      Its simple: OPPORTUNITY COST

    • @douglasauclair3086
      @douglasauclair3086 4 дня назад +1

      ​@@rizzamaeong I did. You see, you know that, foundationally. But I learned an entirely different lesson from my dad: he learned how to fix cars, so he wouldn't have to take them to to the shop. He cut his own wood and had a wood-burning stove, so he would pay less on the heating bill. He cut the grass, because: to pay another person one red cent? The thought was anathema. No: the thought didn't even exist for him. He fixed bicycles that he would fish out of the landfill, and sent 100 of them in a container to Africa.
      Whatever my dad did, he rolled up his shirt sleeves and got to work, saving $5 here, $10 there, and he built his fortune that way, owning 3 homes, 2 rented out (which he managed), and retired at 50. He hasn't worked for pay a day since.
      That's what I learned from my dad: "If you're going to do something, do it yourself, and do it right."
      So, when my wife suggested we hire people to do work that we could contract out? That blew my mind. It took a lot of adjusting to see that "A penny saved is a penny earned" isn't the only way to look at life and labor.

  • @jth_printed_designs
    @jth_printed_designs 9 дней назад +492

    Women don't see making men wait as "her getting everything she wants while he gets none of what he wants" because they think we actually enjoy dates where no sex happens.

    • @paulcolin9926
      @paulcolin9926 9 дней назад +3

      Do you think so?

    • @jasonu3741
      @jasonu3741 9 дней назад

      The Dichotomy of women to only want to date well traveled, experienced, wealthy and knowledgeable men and think YOU would be of any interest to them in terms of conversation.

    • @elonever.2.071
      @elonever.2.071 9 дней назад +137

      We are supposed to feel blessed just being in her presence.

    • @terraflow__bryanburdo4547
      @terraflow__bryanburdo4547 9 дней назад +91

      ​@@elonever.2.071Female narcissicism trumping reality.

    • @brycenlanager1216
      @brycenlanager1216 9 дней назад +90

      I think you also hit the other issue. Men should enjoy going on dates even if sex doesn’t happen. If a man doesn’t enjoy the date, then there are two options. The guy only wants sex or the woman isn’t pleasant to be around.

  • @BodyByBenSLC
    @BodyByBenSLC 9 дней назад +258

    Women think if they have to make men wait so they will see her inner beauty. Problem is most women don't work on their inner beauty.

    • @elinope4745
      @elinope4745 9 дней назад +21

      Inner beauty is a requirement for outer beauty. Outer beauty requires discipline, it requires dieting and exercise, it requires regular maintenance of several body and hair care routines and requires this all be done while still young.
      It requires inner beauty to maintain outer beauty. The whole idea of beauty only being skin deep is just a dumb idea to help ugly people cope. The beautiful people have better personalities than they do but they don't want to admit it.

    • @1989Mordwin
      @1989Mordwin 9 дней назад +16

      @@elinope4745 Equating inner beauty to discipline is a cope. While discipline is a practical personality trait, it doesn't make some fun/interesting/pleasant to be on a date with...

    • @KennethFabritius
      @KennethFabritius 9 дней назад

      MO$T women don't even have inner beauty.

    • @roses6564
      @roses6564 9 дней назад

      True dat.

    • @ArmyWolves
      @ArmyWolves 9 дней назад +11

      The make-him-wait strategy works if
      1. Hookup culture is not an option where the prospective man may not be swayed to go and get pleasure elsewhere
      2. She has always maintained the same standard even in her past not not easily slept with men she dated

  • @johns6331
    @johns6331 9 дней назад +23

    Dr, an escort isn't a real relationship.. it's a fake one. Your executive might be "saving money" but he's not building anything.. he's just shooting his load and that's it. You're not placing a value on the very high worth of building a relationship with someone who knows you, cares about you, loves you. And if you've ever had sex with someone you love vs. some floozy you don't give a damn about, you know there's no comparison there either. So, I reject this whole analysis.

    • @roses6564
      @roses6564 9 дней назад +4

      This is true. On the other hand, how many couples who go for that goal end up in loving relationships for the long term? 50% divorce rate, another 20-30% of expired intact marriages where the sex is anything but emotional. A few manage a great relationship long term but those are rare.

    • @johns6331
      @johns6331 8 дней назад +7

      @@roses6564 I guess it depends on what your parents modeled for you. My parents had a loving relationship their entire lives.

    • @roses6564
      @roses6564 8 дней назад

      @@johns6331 Stats talk.

    • @SozjeCat.
      @SozjeCat. 5 дней назад

      For men who just want to bust a nut it's cheaper and less money wasted to visit an escort. For men who are looking for more, they will eventually find it.

    • @tdaye6978
      @tdaye6978 3 часа назад

      @johns6331 Considering how MOST marriages turn out, having meaningless sex is a FAR better outcome than getting into a relationship/marriage that has, at best, a 20% chance of being a lifelong net-neutral or better. The majority of marriage that stay together (which is a shrinking minority already) are only together because the man knows that is he leaves the bad situation, his life is effectively ruined beyond any reasonable repair due to the family court system. And these are people whose parents were in living relationships. My parents are still married, but we aren't raised by our parents as much as we are by society. And seeing our society for what it is, and knowing the laws, I'm simply not dumb enough to put myself in a contract that the other party is socially AND financially incentivized to break at my expense. My life is far better than all but one of the married or divorced millennial men I've ever known. ONLY ONE is in a positive situation that a reasonable man would accept.
      You can reject the analysis, but understand that our entire culture is built off of rejecting the truth because the truth isn't pretty.

  • @BaseRealityVR
    @BaseRealityVR 9 дней назад +123

    This Is why Men should never lead with money or take women on expensive dates. if she is annoyed about some coffee or walks in the contryside , bowling dates She is Not worth any investment Expecting expensive dates just to get to know someone is a HUGE RED FLAG

    • @csmith9699
      @csmith9699 8 дней назад +2

      @BaseRealityVR Why are so many of you guys paying for everything? Most women today have careers and can easily split costs with you and actually would want to. Maybe you haven't met those many women. Too bad. Also takes communication around the subject. I forgot...advice on this channel is basically not to talk to women much in a relationship. Whatever...

    • @stephanypistachio
      @stephanypistachio 8 дней назад +4

      For women their looks = currency, and yes beauty eventually fades, therefore just date women that are average looking with careers of their own. You would be surprised how happy you will be.

    • @razzendahcuben
      @razzendahcuben 8 дней назад +7

      Speak for yourself. You probably don't make much money, so the idea of spending 100-200 on a date is jaw-dropping to you. But for some men that's pocket change.
      Most women will r*pe you in divorce, if given the chance, regardless of what you make. The only way to mitigate that is a prenup, or don't get married at all (and never live with a woman) if a prenup doesn't seem safe enough to you.

    • @csmith9699
      @csmith9699 8 дней назад

      @razzendahcuben In state I live in is NO fault. 50/50 split

    • @csmith9699
      @csmith9699 8 дней назад +1

      @razzendahcuben A lot of men and women I know split cost of dates, dinners, trips, concerts...

  • @tucobenedicto1780
    @tucobenedicto1780 9 дней назад +311

    I think keeping sex work illegal has only helped married women. It gives men a much lessened chance of finding outlets for sexual relief. While making their wives the only (legal) game in town. It kills the sexual "supply," while the demand only grows & grows. If escorting became legal everywhere, then married women would lose their tactic of not putting out for their husbands, because he could find some tail easily elsewhere.

    • @torachan23
      @torachan23 9 дней назад +24

      Bingo

    • @elinope4745
      @elinope4745 9 дней назад +52

      Keeping it illegal is oppressing women to help women. Older women are constantly doing that to younger ones.

    • @BestInImpact
      @BestInImpact 9 дней назад +5

      It has helped all women.

    • @2yoober
      @2yoober 9 дней назад +7

      Vegas, baby... VEGAS. 😎

    • @kayc7442
      @kayc7442 9 дней назад +22

      Unfortunately prostitution, like hard drug use, is detrimental to society and the community in general, but it is true that the main voices for criminalizing prostitution were house wives.

  • @redtiger7268
    @redtiger7268 9 дней назад +134

    😂😂 Has the Dr talked to my mother? She is a 63 year old two time divorcee that is now saying she will not have sex before marriage

    • @cic6002
      @cic6002 9 дней назад +28

      Well, I guess it’s over for her

    • @mikey92362
      @mikey92362 9 дней назад +13

      Well, technically she's right then.

    • @ORflycaster
      @ORflycaster 9 дней назад +17

      How many cats?

    • @melenico4512
      @melenico4512 9 дней назад +7

      The issue for sex for women is that they know many men it's a driving force. So they believe that holding sex will land them a better catch. Many older women engage in this strategy.

    • @MH-jp8en
      @MH-jp8en 9 дней назад

      daaamn aha no man gonna marry her to get some of that old tuna

  • @BanditsandBusiness
    @BanditsandBusiness 9 дней назад +41

    There's another thing I wanted to add about escorts. If you're a sufficiently high-value male and play your cards right, the escort will charge you LESS over time.
    You can end up saving even MORE money.

    • @cecee3480
      @cecee3480 7 дней назад +2

      Why are you getting these guys hopes up and lying to them. Once a man starts offering less the woman will pull away.

    • @Strafeyy
      @Strafeyy 7 дней назад +6

      He's talking about escorts. Return business at a reduced rate is better than few and far between and regular rate.

    • @Muswera
      @Muswera 7 дней назад

      @@cecee3480you do not have to tell the escort that you’re a higher earner, if she charges more than the market rate you simply call one with reasonable price. It’s cheaper than taking a regular woman on endless dates with no guarantee of sex.

    • @cecee3480
      @cecee3480 7 дней назад +1

      @@Strafeyy Return does not mean lower rate. Unless he is tripling the amount of times he’s sees the escort in a week she might consider giving him a reduced amount. He would have to see her more and be a decent customer combined.

    • @JPIndustrie
      @JPIndustrie 5 дней назад

      @@cecee3480ya he’s likening and simplifying the process to something like when you have a ‘regular bartender’ comping drinks but we all know it’s more complex than that 😊

  • @sgbawg0
    @sgbawg0 9 дней назад +71

    Opportunity cost is a thing. As you get older, your time becomes more and more valuable. Not because you're making more money... but what little time you have in this world is even more precious. Doc is spot on. Again !!!!

    • @chrisbunka
      @chrisbunka 9 дней назад

      As a dude in my fifties myself, your point hits home!

    • @user-jl7jr8mj3q
      @user-jl7jr8mj3q 9 дней назад +3

      Since men judge womens worth somewhat on body count, this is terrible advise for women. Look for high quality men not necessarily high earning men..not the same thing. That is.. if you are looking for marriage at any age.

    • @JosephKelly-uj1zo
      @JosephKelly-uj1zo 9 дней назад

      I would never waste an evening on a date with a woman I pay for. My time is $1,000 per day every day and I would rather do some yoga or read a book than listen to some dumb chick blather on about nothing.

    • @Muswera
      @Muswera 7 дней назад

      @@user-jl7jr8mj3qhigh earning men = high value men. There are plenty of men out there who will treat you like a queen and have good character, but women don’t want them due to income impediment. 🧢

  • @MsLilflyer
    @MsLilflyer 9 дней назад +157

    He makes a good point, forget about world-class beauties, even just a normal pretty girl with a very fit body will get hit on anywhere she goes, there could be a guy asking her out while she steps out for a cup of coffee. why would she need to use dating apps?

    • @dobsok84
      @dobsok84 9 дней назад

      Easy, because dating apps give wo.en access to men that they wouldnt just stumble across. Think going to a walmart vs browsing amazon. I knew 2x 19 year old girls that just browsed dating apps/DM'd on insta until they found a professional athlete to fuk. No way they would just stumble on them in real life.

    • @tarekyared4404
      @tarekyared4404 9 дней назад +15

      That is mostly true. Lots of pickup artists who sell their dumb courses make the argument that attractive women get approached less because men are intimidated. They sell this argument as proof of their unparalleled wisdom. Reality is if you ask really attractive women, most will tell you they get hit on almost every single place they go to in public.

    • @Diamondsandpearls.
      @Diamondsandpearls. 9 дней назад +14

      This is not true, many beautiful women dont never ever get approached.

    • @delawarehistory1675
      @delawarehistory1675 9 дней назад +10

      If this is true- I never see it. I see tons of hot women who are flat out ignored now because men are done with it. Literally saw a hot woman try to pickup a guy at a gym. She'd chose a machine next to him and try to talk to him and he'd switch machines. It was great.

    • @lookupEdwardBernays
      @lookupEdwardBernays 9 дней назад +4

      I think it's a bit of both. If they work at a groceries store they will get hit on a lot. But if they are not in physical proximity in a regular place where he can plan it, she won't get hit on much. Success has so much to do with physical proximity. Some men have admitted to me they married someone purely because of that. ... Men in the other hand.. Chris Williams is a famous model and yet has only been hit on twice in his life. Mid 30s!!
      This is one reason why I think age gaps can be fairer

  • @krashdummiez007
    @krashdummiez007 9 дней назад +109

    If she’s attractive and has Instagram she doesn’t need a dating app. (Because Instagram is also a dating app). Rare to find an attractive woman who doesn’t have any social media

    • @catvergueiro8905
      @catvergueiro8905 9 дней назад +27

      @@krashdummiez007 in my experience even linkedin is a dating app. and one with very respectful suitors may I add.

    • @EC-yl7xk
      @EC-yl7xk 8 дней назад

      @@catvergueiro8905 thanks for the tip.

    • @fallen546
      @fallen546 8 дней назад

      @@catvergueiro8905 Hitting on women on linkedin sounds like a very dangerous game to play. haha Do you want additional HR training, because that's how you get it. lol

    • @Elisabetta.Scalisi
      @Elisabetta.Scalisi 8 дней назад +1

      Not all men want a lady without social media. She may be seen as boring or not as desired by other men as he would (implicitly) expect. There are also men who enjoy being there and cannot live without social media.

    • @krashdummiez007
      @krashdummiez007 7 дней назад +9

      @@Elisabetta.Scalisi I never said that that men prefer women without social media. But since we’re on the topic MOST men would not think a girl is “boring” without social media that’s how women think. I think most men would actually prefer it.

  • @strategic1710
    @strategic1710 9 дней назад +18

    Opportunity cost is not something many of us take into account in these situations. Jesus Christ what the internet and global communication has done to dating.

  • @marriagecausesdivorce7540
    @marriagecausesdivorce7540 9 дней назад +174

    All men pay. But Chad and Tyrone get the biggest discount. The scarcity-minded beta male will have to pay the most, i.e. marriage. The scarcity-minded beta male will also lose the most, i.e. his money, house and kids in divorce. Chad and Tyrone get the best treatment (same night lay) for the least amount of investment.

    • @HelpMeFindTheseSongs
      @HelpMeFindTheseSongs 9 дней назад

      White women love BBC. They're the ultimate alphas.

    • @BBWahoo
      @BBWahoo 9 дней назад

      I want to bottom for chad and tyrone lol

    • @koehh4652
      @koehh4652 9 дней назад +30

      Exactly. Men need to start waking up and arming themselves with knowledge. Marriage is only to have a family, and only with a girl who showed 100% interest in you when she was under the age of 22 and you are able to maintain complete frame.

    • @wanderingdoc5075
      @wanderingdoc5075 9 дней назад +10

      I've dated all over the world, from experienced women to virgins, from conservative to liberal. And I've always went to bed with the women date one or two. I'm very bold and move fast, but I haven't found a huge variation in this.

    • @abel3874
      @abel3874 9 дней назад

      Chads>tyrones
      Being yt is law

  • @mreese8764
    @mreese8764 9 дней назад +57

    16:30 Women: "I am the prize". Orion: "Most men have to settle, at least sexually" (paraphrased).

    • @user-zv8md9xv8c
      @user-zv8md9xv8c 7 дней назад +2

      Orion is doing the regular-looking guy cope of being a well-spoken and interesting person. Women do that too but they look to date up, like him. However, unlike women, who don't tell anyone about dating their looks-match, Orion or a guy in Orion's tier would totally drop the fact he's dating his looksmatch into casual conversation.

    • @Michelle-White
      @Michelle-White 4 дня назад +1

      Most women settle as every single women would like to date a wealthy man but those are in very limited supply.

  • @razer0072073
    @razer0072073 9 дней назад +261

    Any woman who makes you wait for sex, or by her actions implies she is making you wait for sex; the sex is NEVER worth the wait. - Rollo Tomassi

    • @dominique7269
      @dominique7269 9 дней назад +40

      Does he teach this to his daughter too?!🤣

    • @razer0072073
      @razer0072073 9 дней назад +12

      @@dominique7269 I believe she's married

    • @luciopantoja111
      @luciopantoja111 9 дней назад

      @@dominique7269 It would be something new if a woman had to wait for sex. Then it's really not worth it.🤣

    • @Accentor100
      @Accentor100 9 дней назад +4

      @@razer0072073 They always come with the SIGN language

    • @JustinColletti
      @JustinColletti 9 дней назад +18

      Men should be suspicious of women who give it up on the first date and make a point of not continuing to date these women or take them seriously for an actual relationship.

  • @georgia_swann
    @georgia_swann 9 дней назад +21

    Throughout history the average guy never had access to women unless he went to a brothel. Having a woman was reserved for men who had the wealth or property that would allow him to take care of a woman and family. The brief time in history when the average men had the economic ability to get a wife are over. And women would rather not have a family than settle for an average man who will only have them struggling through life.

    • @roses6564
      @roses6564 9 дней назад

      This time cannot come soon enough. A world of high SMV men each married to a bunch of mutually supportive women would be an absolute dream for the female of the species once the practice is culturally legitimized and institutionalized. Jealousy would make no sense and the "queens" would have a blast having top notch genetics for their kids and a a solid support network. A lot better than being married to the passive, emotionally inept, disconnected, poor communicator bores so many are forced to marry for lack of better options.
      Of course, the bores would be left without partners in a world like this but who says the species needs those genes passed down?

    • @autoclearanceuk7191
      @autoclearanceuk7191 9 дней назад +2

      God point Georgia. ignore the attempted troll.

    • @janem3575
      @janem3575 7 дней назад

      psssst. even the married men back then went to brothels!

    • @autoclearanceuk7191
      @autoclearanceuk7191 7 дней назад

      @@janem3575 - what percentage ?

    • @proudatheist2042
      @proudatheist2042 5 дней назад

      @@georgia_swann remember that throughout history, girls and women were married off to men with no choice of their own. History wasn't kind to girls and women, either.

  • @RoubenDO3
    @RoubenDO3 8 дней назад +52

    I’m a high value man and I’ll tell you first hand paying for it is not fun. It takes all the joy of the hunt, finessing your skills, figuring out how to find a great woman who will be someone that will enrich your life. Women are a lot more than just a hole to stick your thing in. It’s sad that we have come to this as a species where all of the skills we have built as men to get women are now solved by a few dollars. Supposedly. Let’s not forget that the women that trade their bodies for money are highly skilled in stripping as much money from you as possible. And often come with men, who may rob you, scam you or end your life. If you let a certain side of the world into your life, he prepared for the consequences

    • @schweinhund7966
      @schweinhund7966 8 дней назад

      You are a rare experience on this site full of very jaded men! After nearly 34 years I am still happily married to my first and only wife! Marriage takes work. “It ain’t easy” but as long as both parties are committed to trying to make it work it is worth the effort. I think a lot of men have unrealistic approaches to finding a keeper wife. The host never mentions the consequences of paying for sex! Men get attached to a good woman too but who would marry a prostitute? Who wants to risk HIV? I found my wife as a neighbor. We spoke casually while washing cars and such… we had the ability to converse and laugh… similar ambitions but enough differences to give us “space.” She is the only woman who said she wanted to have kids with me and here we are 1.5 score later. So sad to see so many deeply jaded men out there. If my wife passed away I’d remarry if I found the correct “chemistry.”

    • @nalianalianalia
      @nalianalianalia 7 дней назад +12

      Exactly.
      One, the doctor is continually suggesting the only asset a woman can give to a man is sexual favors (in reality it is much more than that, like she can be a friend, a mother, a career advisor, a supporter, a kind critic, a muse, a motivator, a hair stylist, wardrobe stylist, cleaner, tax advisor, accountant, advisor of social cues and unwritten norms, a person who knows what a gift would suit for a specific occasion, etc.).
      And two, while counting cost of prostituting females, he doesn't take into account probability of STDs and ensuing costs of curing those, or emotional toll a MAN has to bear for using this option, or loss of self-esteem of a man, loss of reputation (and even contacts) at/with his mother, siblings and more conscious friends, sometimes also at his work, etc.
      Some things cannot be undone.

    • @janem3575
      @janem3575 7 дней назад +1

      when i heard the dr t mention escort, I assumed he meant an official escort service. I know people, well, ladies who got themselves a sugar daddy. through a service. that may work out better for both parties, they go into it with eyes wide open. one girl was at his beck and call. he was married, but she escorted him to events and functions. he rewarded her for her service though. the way dr t talks about relationships, it may as well be sugar daddy-baby based. it would be more fun

    • @Muswera
      @Muswera 7 дней назад +1

      @@nalianalianalia The things you mentioned men can easily get that from other men. Men in general deal with women for sexual access. If you’re not offering that, we have zero interest being your friend or anything else you have to offer. You’re more likely to get an STD from a regular woman than a prostitute. A prostitute; you will wrap it up, but a woman you’re taking on dates,you will most likely hit raw 😊

    • @iamyoda1980
      @iamyoda1980 2 дня назад

      @@nalianalianaliathis.

  • @dustsky
    @dustsky 9 дней назад +57

    I used to think that leaving money on the dresser on your way out was demeaning for a man. However, given the current state of dating, it’s hard not to see its advantages.

    • @jackdeniston6150
      @jackdeniston6150 9 дней назад +5

      super witty, leave a tenner.

    • @jacquelinee1220
      @jacquelinee1220 9 дней назад +8

      I find it more of a compliment if they do that. As a previous sb I think I've had more luck with this than finding viable option for commitment lol

    • @smokingcrab2290
      @smokingcrab2290 9 дней назад

      Don't ever pay for sex. Make the girl buy her own food, drinks, etc. Go Dutch on every date and never ever ever pay for sex. Might as well just jerk it and save the money.

    • @algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286
      @algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 9 дней назад

      @@jacquelinee1220 If a woman can't find a man "viable for commitment" that is entirely her problem.

    • @calibre_au6183
      @calibre_au6183 9 дней назад +1

      Better to leave it on the way in 😉

  • @literalvampirepotbellygobl5629
    @literalvampirepotbellygobl5629 9 дней назад +28

    I feel like this particular message is true but trivial. You're essentially saying that very wealthy men aren't willing to date because the juice isn't worth the squeeze. But isn't that kind of the reason why all men are opting out of dating? It's definitely true that a wealthy lawyer or surgeon isn't going to pay $15,000 for the joy of being told to wait by someone who's already banged 500 dudes for way less, and is less interesting to talk to than your average shrubbery. But I feel like the average construction worker is also waking up to this fact. And they're not willing to spend $150 for the joy of getting told to wait by someone who's already banged 50 dudes for way less, has at least one other guy's kid, is 50 pounds overweight, and is less interesting to talk to than your average shrubbery. The only difference is the wealthy guy can afford to rent by the hour, while the rest of us are basically relegated to taking care of it on our own.
    We're all saying, in as many ways as we can, that we are no longer interested in paying inflation-era prices for used, banged-up, worn-out products that think they deserve to be treated like they're brand new. It's not necessarily an issue that's confined to successful men. Even the dude who works at McDonald's is starting to get hip to the game.

    • @zoraster3749
      @zoraster3749 9 дней назад +6

      As Kevin Samuel’s so eloquently put it, “Name something that increases in value with use and age? I’ll wait.”

    • @BestInImpact
      @BestInImpact 9 дней назад +3

      Underrated comment. Can't really put it any better than this.

    • @superunknown6560
      @superunknown6560 9 дней назад

      @@zoraster3749 a house

    • @eliel14ful
      @eliel14ful 9 дней назад

      true comment

    • @kylefrisby
      @kylefrisby 9 дней назад +3

      Very brilliant comment. Very articulate use of words to send across a very important point.

  • @nazart7830
    @nazart7830 9 дней назад +12

    He's talking about the 1% of the 1% who are extremely succesful, even between millionaires are levels of millionaires

  • @tallest-man6309
    @tallest-man6309 9 дней назад +12

    I think there is a flaw in this analysis. If someone is dating for marriage and children, the escort certainly can’t solve this problem. I’d argue that even being with the escort some nights is going to reduce the man’s drive to find a “non escort” woman who might be wife and mother material. Thanks and love the content!! So what is a guy to do who is looking for a wife and not just sex?

    • @lornayeo3303
      @lornayeo3303 21 час назад

      I vote this argument up! I’m also interested in this question…what do super busy guys who want to marry/have a family do? This talk only focuses on sex in the short term, but some rich men surely also want to have a family? Would they also consider the escort for this??

  • @SquarishLink
    @SquarishLink 9 дней назад +112

    im not successful but i agree with Orion here, at 60$ per hour for my wage i cannot justify wasting my time on 4s and 5s on shitty dates that go no where. Dating apps and what not consumed a good 5 hours of my free time a week, which admittedly is scarce given my side job and gym routines. I met my current gf outside of dating, outside of that whole context completely.
    I recommend to any bro needing a date to meet her in the ether through friends, activities and gyms etc. I met mine at a church board game cafe.

    • @jth_printed_designs
      @jth_printed_designs 9 дней назад +23

      Referrals are way better than cold approach. Engage socially in hobbies and things you like doing and you'll meet people though friends. Women need men to be "vouched for" before they'll really consider you, and the only way to do that is to have personal relationships with their friends.

    • @smokingcrab2290
      @smokingcrab2290 9 дней назад +14

      The thing about meeting women is you need an actual real life reason to talk to them besides how attractive they are. That's the only real way connections actually happen. You need some kind of mechanism to relate to each other with. It's even the same for your friends and family. If there's nothing to relate to each other about then you simply cannot connect. And the kicker is she has to WANT to relate to you.

    • @Lex_Lugar
      @Lex_Lugar 9 дней назад +4

      @@jth_printed_designsrelying on friends is limiting. developing game and cold approach is much more sustainable. dating apps were great in the 2010s for attractive men. All bubbles burst…

    • @Lex_Lugar
      @Lex_Lugar 9 дней назад

      Sir, less than 5% of men in the entire world make $60/hr and those 5% don’t all have girlfriends. Distorted world view you have.

    • @Lex_Lugar
      @Lex_Lugar 9 дней назад

      @@smokingcrab2290false. that’s a skill issue. you don’t have game.

  • @d3r4g45
    @d3r4g45 9 дней назад +151

    Flip the script. She sold off a potential life long partner and father of her children, just for the price of a vacation in Dubai.
    She sold long term future for a price of a vacation.

    • @IMYOURMAJESTY92
      @IMYOURMAJESTY92 9 дней назад +22

      Renting her is always the best option . Only a fool buys and owns the car (depreciated item)

    • @d3r4g45
      @d3r4g45 9 дней назад +36

      He says she bought a beer for the price of a vacation. While in reality she bought a vacation for the price of a long term relationship.
      And that offer from Dubai is to rent her.

    • @KennethFabritius
      @KennethFabritius 9 дней назад +11

      @@IMYOURMAJESTY92 not all cars depreciate... just most.
      Some cars are instant classics, and if maintained, will significantly appreciate in value.
      Your mentality comes from a "keeping-up-with-the-Jonses" perspective. True elegance and attractiveness doesn't need to be updated for the market's sake, it doesn't have subjectivity because it is completely objective and it doesn't fade. This kind of attractiveness is indeed rare... but it exists.

    • @psychacks
      @psychacks  9 дней назад +41

      See "Romance is for men"

    • @edheldude
      @edheldude 9 дней назад +2

      @@KennethFabritius So you just gotta find your LFA or Porsche 918 Spyder?

  • @Chewymochifruity
    @Chewymochifruity 7 дней назад +8

    A woman that holds back is not necessarily playing hard to get. A woman might enter the dating game with an understanding of how she feels after having sexual relations with a man.
    There are biochemical factors to consider and it differs for both men and women (and varies from individual to individual). It makes sense for someone who has an intention to find a long term commitment to wait a little longer before having sex.
    This may be 3 hours, 3 days or 3 months - but the point is to make sure that both parties have similar goals or are aligned in life.
    An escort gets $250-$1000 in return for an hour of her time whereas the woman looking for commitment is not guaranteed anything. It is only logical for a woman to calculate risks and protect herself before diving into the oxytocin goodness of sex. ❤

    • @333angeleyes
      @333angeleyes 2 дня назад +1

      This is the best comment I've read on this 3 videos.
      But I am curious, what do you do to keep a man interested if you will have him wait 3 months for sex? Just long talks and fun dates?
      I think this works for average guys without options who are not use to dating beautiful women, but I'm curious do women use the same strategy for men with options? Most women automatically say "Yes!" but it can't be that easy to find then attract high quality men (looks + personality, not just money like a lot of men think).
      I could be wrong but since women complain so much about not finding most men attractive I just can't see a woman doing things to run man off who she finally finds attractive.

  • @clintpot8521
    @clintpot8521 9 дней назад +7

    Where do morals and ethics play into this conversation? I've never heard most religions say that its ok to have sex on the 3rd date or less, and a transactional economy seems to leave many people feeling exploited and empty.

  • @JaySmith-pv2mw
    @JaySmith-pv2mw 9 дней назад +27

    I haven't been in a relationship in over four and half years. I am also in the best financial shape of my life. Hmmm.
    I think men should tell the women they are interested in that they will withhold being generous with their money and withhold committing until they are SURE the women are worthy.

    • @JustinColletti
      @JustinColletti 9 дней назад +4

      Yes, men are supposed to withhold commitment and investment, and women are supposed to withhold sex and physical intimacy. That’s how it’s supposed to work. We’ve only known this for as long as there have been people. 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @wisp7753
      @wisp7753 9 дней назад +1

      Honestly 2000 dollars in an hour doesn't sound too terrible right now. I don't even consider myself successful. I just feel like the people I want to date aren't in my league and the people in my league feel like some uglies and weirdos.

    • @JustinColletti
      @JustinColletti 9 дней назад

      @@wisp7753 sounds like you need to work on yourself.

  • @AM-ko4pi
    @AM-ko4pi 6 дней назад +5

    I’m not a religious person, but listening to this video made me realize the rules about sex in the bible pretty much solve this issue. Sex is only for marriage and making children. If there’s no expectation of sex outside of marriage, then people will just try to get to know each other and enjoy each other’s company first. Relationships become less transactional.

  • @zebontheweb
    @zebontheweb 9 дней назад +6

    I don’t use dating apps, it’s impossible to gauge the chemistry I value necessary.

    • @csmith9699
      @csmith9699 9 дней назад +1

      zebontheweb...absolutely

  • @sosodave4192
    @sosodave4192 9 дней назад +8

    Your economic break down explains EXACTLY why prostitution is still illegal. The economy can't possibly afford to have men step off the rat wheel.

  • @uumlau
    @uumlau 9 дней назад +84

    I'm wondering if you're circling around a more fundamental point. A huge part of the problem with modern dating is that sex has become a commodity, but relationships shouldn't be treated as commodities. How can we expect to be treated like human beings if we have to think like mercenaries for dating purposes?

    • @tombe5791
      @tombe5791 9 дней назад +8

      Yh but sex is what makes the world go round. Grow up.

    • @smokingcrab2290
      @smokingcrab2290 9 дней назад +30

      For real. I'm so tired of being treated like I'm not a human being. It's about the heart connection, but people are completely ignoring that these days it seems. I'm so tired of always having to strive to be in the top 1% of a pyramid scheme I didn't create, all to impress people who couldn't give less of a shit about me.

    • @smokingcrab2290
      @smokingcrab2290 9 дней назад +14

      @tombe5791, its what makes YOUR world go round.

    • @johnfarmyguy1
      @johnfarmyguy1 9 дней назад +1

      The vast majority of people’s. You’re in the minority my friend

    • @mudblood9699
      @mudblood9699 9 дней назад +19

      You don't have to think like a mercenary, you just have to understand that if a gal has true desire for you, she'll be willing to have sex as fast or faster than she's had it with all the men before you. If she doesn't have true desire for you, you can't have a healthy relationship with her anyway.

  • @FA9082
    @FA9082 9 дней назад +146

    8s and 9s aren't on dating apps bc they are MONETIZED. They are all dating rich men, either as GFs or sugar babies, and a lot of these rich men have multiple women 🤷‍♀️
    I know this bc I am a rich man, and the women I can get on Tinder, Hinge Bumble are FAR less attractive compared to the women I can get with my money.

    • @FA9082
      @FA9082 9 дней назад +32

      ​@njerseydavid no not escorts. as wives, gf and sugar babies. I have 3 sugar babies and a gf and I give them money / spend money on them. Lots of rich men have multiple women.

    • @trudiamond30
      @trudiamond30 9 дней назад +10

      Question to you as a rich man. Is beauty really in the eye of the beholder or is there an actual standard of beauty that rich men prefer? I’m asking because I have seen that some men don’t necessarily choose highly attractive women. Not all the time. I have a few wealthy uncles and their choices in women (as far as looks goes) were kind of questionable. But that was their life and we didn’t judge. But there also wasn’t apps back then either so maybe things have changed. 🤷🏽‍♀️

    • @suefleming
      @suefleming 9 дней назад +1

      ​@@njerseydavid Some escorts are beautiful but they are very rare. Most women out digging for gold, hopes that they will marry the man even though they are incredibly stupid for thinking that. 😂😂😂

    • @unapologeticanti-feminist3205
      @unapologeticanti-feminist3205 9 дней назад

      Yes was going to say this.

    • @suefleming
      @suefleming 9 дней назад +16

      ​@@FA9082 Girlfriends and sugar babies are capable of very devious actions and may try to trap you.
      You didn't need me to tell you that though.

  • @LiaBSakura
    @LiaBSakura 3 дня назад +5

    You make it sound like dating is a transaction for men to get sex and women to be chosen rather than simply two people trying to see if they are compatible long term

    • @tdaye6978
      @tdaye6978 3 часа назад

      @LiaBSakura That's literally what all marriage has been for all but maybe 300 years of human history. What you described is literally 99.9% of human history. People who fell in love almost never got married until literally shortly before the US was established. Arranged marriage is still the most common form of marriage worldwide....and still by far the most successful with the best family outcomes.

  • @iraschellenberg-kollenstei2247
    @iraschellenberg-kollenstei2247 8 дней назад +4

    The question is not to wait for a man "who is good enough to sleep with" but the dishonest attitude of thousands of men who pretend to be interested in a relationship and in reality just want to abuse. Never ever have I known a woman who "got a man forever" by having sex with him in the very beginning. It's nothing else but an egoistic attitude of men, it has nothing to do with a loving relationship that women are looking for. So, I see them as clever enough not to be abused.

    • @tdaye6978
      @tdaye6978 3 часа назад

      @iraschellenberg-kollenstei2247 You sound like a woman who only chases bad boys.
      I personally know a LOT of women who got a man forever by having sex with him quickly. Even my mother. Who is still married to my dad 32 years later...been together 35 years. And are 59 and 71 (so probably not going anywhere at this point). What's funny is that MOST of the women I know who kept a man around for 10+ HAPPY years had sex in the beginning. The ones who fell apart and were unhappy while together and were on and off a lot, the woman usually held out for a while.
      My current gf is the best woman I've been with. Ever. Had sex on the second date. And she's shown all the signs of a great life partner in last 2.5 years. Worst gf I've ever had made me wait over 3 months. And she was downright abusive. And made me wait the longest of anyone. But I bought the lie of "the good ones make you wait". No, the ones who don't like you make you wait.

  • @eronpaulo23
    @eronpaulo23 9 дней назад +49

    Today the series should be called "Not-so-short talk"

    • @madslasher18
      @madslasher18 9 дней назад

      17 mins for GOLD. Stop crying

    • @eronpaulo23
      @eronpaulo23 8 дней назад

      @@madslasher18 It depends. I agree with most of what he has to say, but not with the ones about dating.

  • @tavar16
    @tavar16 9 дней назад +4

    I've tried telling men that 8s and higher aren't on dating apps because they don't need them.

  • @Brian-zc2ip
    @Brian-zc2ip 9 дней назад +36

    This mindset is depressingly transactional, and it is not the complete truth, that love is real, and when love walks in the room, none of this stuff matters.
    May you all find love... and make some babies.

    • @wisp7753
      @wisp7753 9 дней назад +9

      Love is real, and it's great when it walks into a room. It's also very expensive when it walks out.

    • @Brian-zc2ip
      @Brian-zc2ip 9 дней назад +2

      @wisp7753 Unfortunately, yes, especially if you're a man and married when love walks out.
      I just can't do it any other way.

    • @kylefrisby
      @kylefrisby 9 дней назад +9

      Good luck finding a woman to love you genuinely when she knows your bank account is in the millions. Her mind will surely be on your money more than it will be on you.

    • @Brian-zc2ip
      @Brian-zc2ip 9 дней назад +6

      @kylefrisby again, another valid viewpoint, and i know from experience how bad men can get burnt.
      Im only speaking for myself here.
      I don't have random hookups because i dont enjoy sex with condoms and I don't have romantic relationships unless I'm ready to fully invest emotionally.
      I'd rather be celibate until I'm ready to take that chance again.
      This other detached approach isn't for me and would rather be alone.

    • @Doberman_6773
      @Doberman_6773 9 дней назад +5

      Love is grand; divorce is a 100 grand.

  • @SkylarDeRouen
    @SkylarDeRouen 9 дней назад +60

    Moving to Brazil 🇧🇷 while earning USD is the cheat code. There is not a lot of men here with money, so you win mathematically.

    • @ma2000
      @ma2000 9 дней назад +4

      Same goes for most countries in Latina America or South-East Asia

    • @Grumpollion
      @Grumpollion 9 дней назад +1

      The Brazilian men will rob and kill you though.

    • @user-ew3hh1mv9l
      @user-ew3hh1mv9l 9 дней назад +2

      The one the only Skylar. Nice to see you here watching Orion material. Orion is the goat. U guys should do a podcast episode or yt collab.

    • @christopheramaro333
      @christopheramaro333 9 дней назад +1

      ​@@ma2000 the US dollar goes far in many places? Wow. Who knew? Jesus fuck

    • @oomeshramrekha2595
      @oomeshramrekha2595 8 дней назад +4

      It's not only about the money my friend. Richardo and Francisco will still be King and you would simply be the simp.

  • @adventureswithamy7747
    @adventureswithamy7747 9 дней назад +6

    No thanks. I’d rather keep my soul and dignity by going on slightly less “expensive” dates.

  • @estuardo2985
    @estuardo2985 9 дней назад +14

    Absolutely makes sense. I have seen stories on the flip side of that of when an escort/onlyfans tries to get a "real" relationship and runs into difficulties.

    • @rayrwyr
      @rayrwyr 9 дней назад

      S3x-workers are avoided by most men for relationship for good reasons. S3x-workers lose their ability to pair bond with a man. They will cheat and leave.

  • @asheekitty9488
    @asheekitty9488 7 дней назад +18

    this is so psychopathic. Y'all can play your psychopathic, transactional dating games. There is quite a large pool of people who don't

  • @destinyandfate2
    @destinyandfate2 7 дней назад +16

    "Women should be very secually generous with the men they are trying to catch."
    .... said the man who has never had to date men.

    • @Zayden.Marxist
      @Zayden.Marxist 6 дней назад +2

      Can you elaborate please? Why was he wrong to make that statement?

    • @skyeeesss
      @skyeeesss 6 дней назад

      For reals 😂

    • @KeyaCares
      @KeyaCares 5 дней назад

      @@Zayden.Marxistmen do not respect what is given to them easily. Sex has never kept a man, so offering it up early is a recipe for that man disappearing and leaving women heart broken. Then these women turn into “bitter Betty’s” that yall can’t stand simply because she had sex with every man who asked her out because the good Doc says “you need to freely give sex to the men you want”. That never ever works.

    • @ayoutubecommenter7494
      @ayoutubecommenter7494 4 дня назад +1

      This assumes you know what you want and are not trying to catch assholes who will use you. In this case it stands

    • @destinyandfate2
      @destinyandfate2 4 дня назад +3

      @ayoutubecommenter7494
      "Men should be very financially generous with the women they are trying to catch."
      Based on that logic, this rule applies successfully, too. How well has this worked for every man who has tried this approach?

  • @zachariah380
    @zachariah380 9 дней назад +19

    While all of that is true about why successful men use prostitutes, that does not translate into it being a good idea for women to sleep with men sooner.
    Women do not benefit long term from sleeping with unvetted men who are not interested in long term commitment, regardless of her age. When she chooses to sleep with a man should be based on vetting his personality & character, life situation, and intentions. There's no benefit to a woman to sleeping with a man before she has this information.
    While I get that a woman "holding out" isn't the best method either, because she's not really considering the right things if it's about a certain amount of *time* vs a certain amount of information. And she better actually be feeling the desire herself, otherwise everyone looses in the end.
    The fact is, young women can wait longer, and that's good, as they should, to better vette the partner. The fact is that older women don't have the same amount of power, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't also be just as interested in vetting the partner's character, life circumstance, and intentions, as she will not actually benefit from sleeping around as an older woman trying to get picked. She should instead focus her attention on how to vette men properly.
    The real actual solid advice for women for the benefit of women is: vette men before you have sex. And if they are young women, it's: don't even think about having sex until you're sure he's vetted and in for the long game, and you're sure he's the one you want to do life with. Use that power properly while you still have it.

    • @alexmuenster2102
      @alexmuenster2102 9 дней назад +1

      >>The fact is that older women don't have the same amount of power, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't also be just as interested in vetting

    • @BestInImpact
      @BestInImpact 9 дней назад +4

      You lost me at "vetting his personality & character". Character is the *last* thing women of today are checking for. They are looking for everything BUT personality & character, lol. What they ARE doing is exactly what you describe -- sleeping with men who are not interested in long term commitment. Those are the men they tend to be attracted to.

    • @zachariah380
      @zachariah380 9 дней назад +4

      @@BestInImpact what the general population are doing and what is best for them are often different. It's the responsibility of anyone giving advice, especially from a professional pulpit like a therapist to tell people what would actually be best for themselves, not reinforce societal behaviors that are 100% not beneficial and in fact harmful to themselves.
      People do things because either:
      They have been taught to,
      Or
      They haven't been taught not to, and why.
      If the Doctor is going to be teaching people, it makes sense to teach them the things that they obviously haven't been taught, or taught well enough, that they should have been taught for their own well-being.

    • @zachariah380
      @zachariah380 9 дней назад +5

      @@alexmuenster2102 right, so if a woman can't, for whatever reason pull a man who has the character and intentions that match what's best for her long term, then she shouldn't be choosing or sleeping with men anyway, so, my point stands. She's genuinely better off not sleeping with any man unless she has vetted the ones expressing interest. If they don't vette, she's dodged a bullet, which may also mean she stays single forever, which, if a man's character and intentions don't match up with what's best for her, single forever is more beneficial, or at least less detrimental.

    • @mediocreman2
      @mediocreman2 9 дней назад +2

      Sure, but the problem is these women only start vetting men after having bad experiences with Chads. So you're getting the scraps and having to wait for it.

  • @DannyBoy443
    @DannyBoy443 9 дней назад +14

    I don't agree that there are no attractive women on dating apps. Harder to get? Sure, but not none.

    • @rejectwokeness1314
      @rejectwokeness1314 9 дней назад

      They're outliers though and they're impossible to chase. 8s and above looks for 10s or higher. It's safe to just disregard them unless you have 9 figure wealth

    • @krejziks3398
      @krejziks3398 8 дней назад +1

      if you're attractive, fun and lucky enough, you could score a 9 or 10 still in her teen years who were cheated on by her first serious boyfriend and use that to advantage.

  • @ThomasDickson3
    @ThomasDickson3 9 дней назад +13

    People understand the value of time ,money and effort until it applies to them/individuals.

  • @petercampbellmusic3782
    @petercampbellmusic3782 9 дней назад +5

    Precisely why the first date, which is really a first meeting, should be brief and inexpensive.

    • @neilt6480
      @neilt6480 6 дней назад

      With 'should' being the operative word.

  • @imcool338
    @imcool338 9 дней назад +28

    Appreciate ya Orion

  • @YoYo-gt5iq
    @YoYo-gt5iq 3 дня назад +3

    My marriage is the best relationship i could have. Having the best is worth the cost.

  • @seangaw6429
    @seangaw6429 9 дней назад +6

    Reason this channel is gaining traction is because all you hear is fact and not just opinions.

    • @lilbroomstick7914
      @lilbroomstick7914 8 дней назад +3

      Honestly the fact he’s getting critical information to men through a RUclips algo that usually blackballs this info in the algo rather quickly is SUPER IMPRESSIVE and CRITICAL for disabusing men in the modern dating market

    • @seangaw6429
      @seangaw6429 8 дней назад

      @@lilbroomstick7914 yes specifically using men as lottery scam in divorce courts.

  • @QWERTY-hl6wm
    @QWERTY-hl6wm 8 дней назад +4

    nahhh just be normal, make friends and see, I take things really slow, works best! Ladies don’t rush, but don’t let them hanging if you decide they aren’t it

  • @Timber1205
    @Timber1205 9 дней назад +51

    As a successful man, I would never in a million years even think about Marrying a woman who gives it up in less than 3 dates 😂😂 God only knows how high her body count would be 😂😂

    • @andyfranks1575
      @andyfranks1575 9 дней назад +1

      I'm practically screaming EXACTLY THAT at my computer right now. Even the comments section. I thought it was common knowledge that you can't trust a girl who puts out on the first date. Everything he's saying makes sense up until he shits on the (very standard) 3-date rule. It's leaving the important "SLUT WITH DADDY-ISSUES" variable out of the equation. It's watching someone well respected and educated say 2 + 2 = 5 and 99% of this comments section is agreeing with him. It's giving me a migraine.

    • @victor7143
      @victor7143 9 дней назад

      Successful mean you got all your objectives done?

    • @JustinColletti
      @JustinColletti 9 дней назад +1

      Agreed.
      I never committed to any of the ones who slept with me on the first date.
      Why would I control myself for a woman who has no self control?
      If my wife slept with me on the first date, she wouldn’t be my wife today.
      It’s a bad strategy for women, and I doubt @psychacks would actually recommend this strategy to his daughter, if he had one.
      This advice really strikes me as someone trying to justify their current proclivity to see others in an instrumental kind of way.
      It seems like the words of a man who has seen his income and status increase, but is annoyed that he is still expected to prove to women that he doesn’t just see them as a means to gratify his hedonistic pleasures.
      The instrumental outlook on human beings is borderline sociopathic, and I hope Orion doesn’t play in this swamp for too long.
      I’ve been there. The hedonistic life of having multiple partners trying to win you over with sex seems like a teenage boy’s fantasy, but it’s actually pretty empty, pointless, and I had to be one a borderline alcoholic to even engage in it.
      I’m glad all that is behind me now.
      The irony is that I’m also hotter and more successful now than I was in my twenties so it’d probably be even easier! But it’s not remotely worth it.

    • @kylefrisby
      @kylefrisby 9 дней назад

      It's because you are a successful man but not an attractive man.

    • @kylefrisby
      @kylefrisby 9 дней назад +4

      You clearly don't think you are attractive, you just think you are successful.

  • @jeravincer
    @jeravincer 8 дней назад +6

    So you’re saying we’ve built a society in which (you recommend) women and men behave immorally to successfully match up with who they want. Got it!

    • @obviouslyasockpuppet
      @obviouslyasockpuppet 7 дней назад

      She'll be the first to break her own rule for a guy she finds extremely attractive. Think about it this way: Get her alone in a room with her celebrity crush and see if she'll follow her rules. Especially if he also appears interested in her.

    • @GearZNet
      @GearZNet 6 дней назад

      That's already the society you live in.

    • @jeravincer
      @jeravincer 5 дней назад

      @@GearZNetthat’s what I said!

  • @13SirLink
    @13SirLink 9 дней назад +3

    The couple videos in this series has been just what I needed to hear. Thanks Orion.

  • @ryunz9639
    @ryunz9639 5 дней назад +2

    My man created a whole video rationalizing his use of prostitutes 😂

  • @peterwhimster
    @peterwhimster 9 дней назад +4

    You should have paid £200 to the housemate to clean the common areas.

  • @uusrano
    @uusrano 8 дней назад +3

    This totally ignores that man want to be chosen by women, which is part of being accepted by society.

  • @kenndavis8680
    @kenndavis8680 2 дня назад

    "Always Cheaper for a man to stay single & always cheaper for a woman to stay in a relationship"... that was gloriously poetic & blew my mind. Simple yet elegant.

  • @fashionspy96
    @fashionspy96 9 дней назад +29

    "don't sleep with men on the first date if you want to be perceived as high value. It cheapens you"
    "DO sleep with men on the first date if you want him"
    So... You should only want to be perceived as high value if you're NOT interested in them?
    Make it make sense, Orion...

    • @psychacks
      @psychacks  9 дней назад +6

      Easy. Disregard the first statement.

    • @fashionspy96
      @fashionspy96 9 дней назад +23

      @@psychacks right... So what happened to "if she does this with me, she must do it with every man she meets"?
      Again: make it make sense

    • @ForrestMystic
      @ForrestMystic 7 дней назад +1

      ​@@fashionspy96you can't. Men are hypocrites.

    • @johnnonamegibbon3580
      @johnnonamegibbon3580 7 дней назад

      @@fashionspy96 It was never a real talking point. The reality is women sleep with men they truly like on the first date. Everything else is a romantic cope from men. It's why, and let's say it all together, *none of them are virgins.* The logic only applies to virgins.

    • @FAVanguard
      @FAVanguard 7 дней назад +4

      ​@fashionspy96 "doing the right things with the wrong guys".
      "Dont make the right guy wait and the wrong guy gets his fun, while hoping that the right guy will think higher of you, when you dont deserve to be thought higher off based on your actions".
      In the age of social media, women as solipsistic as they are, exposed the game themselves. Even, the most hermit of men, now see the female sexual strategy. Some men have adapted to play the game to win, others dont see the point. I believe you call the latter, incels lol.

  • @emanuelnicolescu5015
    @emanuelnicolescu5015 9 дней назад +6

    Looking forward to the third part

  • @A90maly
    @A90maly 9 дней назад +9

    I'm pretty sure you just did the best job ever of explaining why modern governments keep this victimless crime illegal. The power dynamic in the dating market would probably reverse overnight if it were made legal and socially accepted. God forbid we let that happen.

    • @peegirl69
      @peegirl69 9 дней назад

      Unfortunately sex work isn’t a victimless crime because sex trafficking and the type of life course a woman takes to become a sex worker usually involves herself being victimized in some way before making the decision (therefore meaning she is not making a healthy decision but a trauma enforced one)

    • @alexisc7565
      @alexisc7565 9 дней назад

      You think men don't do it because it is "illegal" lmao

  • @michaelferreira2651
    @michaelferreira2651 8 дней назад +7

    Flaw of your theory is that you assume that successful men make money 24 hrs a day. Like in your example, the lawyer who makes 1200$ an hr. He does not make 1200 $ an hr 24 hrs a day 265 days a week. So your theory is based on wrong assumptions.

    • @FedPut
      @FedPut 8 дней назад

      Successful would mean he turns away work, if he worked 24 hours the money would fly in for 24 hours. Obviously he needs downtime, but he doesn't need to jump through hoops for some unpleasant woman

    • @michaelferreira2651
      @michaelferreira2651 7 дней назад

      That is not true. In most cases, there would not be work available to do for 24 hrs even if he wanted, That is the reality.

  • @Nyorkjse
    @Nyorkjse 9 дней назад +1

    Doc always keeps it real

  • @hoi-polloi1863
    @hoi-polloi1863 9 дней назад +121

    Nice analysis Doc, thank you! One thing I do have to point out however, is that this entire argument is predicated on the idea that having sex is the one and only reason guys go on dates. Hiring an escort doesn't add marginal progress toward finding a life partner, while going on a regular date just might. I'd like to know your thoughts on how a desire for long-term companionship fits into your economics-based analysis!

    • @paulcolin9071
      @paulcolin9071 9 дней назад +4

      Well it is the main reason if not on the first night

    • @dc99999
      @dc99999 9 дней назад

      @@hoi-polloi1863 I agree there. I think the Doc sometimes takes the transactional nature of relationships too far and ends up with incogruent results. Hey, but no harm no foul, that's what research and exploration are for.

    • @hoi-polloi1863
      @hoi-polloi1863 9 дней назад +1

      @@paulcolin9071 Just between you and me, I'm playing the long game. I want to find a good woman, marry her, and install her in my house. Mileage varies, of course!

    • @alexmuenster2102
      @alexmuenster2102 9 дней назад +24

      >>...entire argument is predicated on the idea that having sex is the one and only reason guys go on dates...

    • @detroitvcw
      @detroitvcw 9 дней назад +13

      Thats because sex is the initial and primary desire for a man in most cases, and less of a "life partner", and if you couple that with climate of women in today's society, it's even more profound. Most guys dont go on dates, primarily, get to know someone...if ever. Sex is always on the table, and if its not for the woman, then there's no interest from the guy to continue "dating". The auxillary thought is that finding a life partner is not the primary interest, if at all...especially for the caliber of men he used in his example.

  • @AndrewBrownK
    @AndrewBrownK 9 дней назад +6

    So if their most common mistake is doing the right things with the wrong people, how are they supposed to know they have the right person without holding off long enough to evaluate? Is one date enough time to choose a lifetime partner?

    • @renardbennett75
      @renardbennett75 9 дней назад +2

      Lol Fair question, if we’re being honest. I’m not a fan of playing a bunch of games with sex, but being pressed to jump in bed on the first date is stretching it.

    • @kylefrisby
      @kylefrisby 9 дней назад +1

      They should just do opposite of what they usually do, that by the process of inversion would be the right decision.

  • @thefleecer3673
    @thefleecer3673 9 дней назад +10

    This is a bit too simplistic. A woman being overtly paid to perform doesn't have the allure of actual chemistry, however fickle that might be

    • @tobe-you-tube6612
      @tobe-you-tube6612 9 дней назад

      You're so sweet 😂

    • @neilt6480
      @neilt6480 6 дней назад +2

      He wasn't talking about you and me. He's talking about the guys who work 80+ hours a week and spend the rest of their waking hours working out or whatever. They don't have the spare time to devote the amount that a successful relationship requires.

    • @JohnAlot
      @JohnAlot 6 дней назад +1

      Agreed. These men don't want, or can not establish the emotional bonds necessary for a mutually beneficial relationship. To them everything is transactional. The most successful men in the world often score high on the sociopathic scale. They often have only learned to feel for others, yet actually "feel" very little.

    • @thefleecer3673
      @thefleecer3673 6 дней назад

      @@JohnAlot okay I get it. Interesting stuff. So they're kind of like the guy from American Psycho without all the nasty death bits?

  • @Skull-Nation23
    @Skull-Nation23 9 дней назад +1

    Always insightful Doc

  • @autoclearanceuk7191
    @autoclearanceuk7191 9 дней назад +9

    I have always used escorts to avoid the verbal aggression and rejection that comes from attempting to engage with western women. Escorts are better looking. Guaranteed sex, and it is not more expensive than dating.
    I would like a conventional girlfriend just once. But it has never happened.

    • @Susan-fg3nv
      @Susan-fg3nv 7 дней назад +1

      You have trained yourself to have a certain mindset about women. Women can sense it

    • @autoclearanceuk7191
      @autoclearanceuk7191 7 дней назад +2

      @@Susan-fg3nv - I do have a certain mindset about women. I would say the women in my past life have trained me.

    • @Susan-fg3nv
      @Susan-fg3nv 7 дней назад

      @@autoclearanceuk7191 only because you allowed them into your life. If I let every man who wants a date or sex into my life I might be crazy too

    • @GearZNet
      @GearZNet 6 дней назад

      @@Susan-fg3nv Where is this sense when women get with dead beat losers or men who beat on them? Why don't I ever see people like you calling women out for choosing abusers? You know, since they be sensing and shit.

  • @alexalx182
    @alexalx182 9 дней назад +17

    I don't know what "dating" means for americans, but having sex after 3 dates is crazy. Is the whole purpose of dating just to get laid for people in that continent? Cuz some women/men are actually lookin for a life partner, and they would, indeed, need more time to spend with eachother before jumping straight into bed.

    • @skyeeesss
      @skyeeesss 6 дней назад +1

      I think his idea of dating is different than a lot of other people in America have. I think it is completely inappropriate to have sex on the third date. I myself never had that happen and I am in a secure relationship. I guess it just depends how serious someone sees the relationship and how much they want that person.

    • @SozjeCat.
      @SozjeCat. 5 дней назад

      America is chlamydia land. They have poly relationships there..inventors of hookup culture and friends with benefits. Far far from traditional.

  • @ForrestMystic
    @ForrestMystic 9 дней назад +54

    Women get attached through sex. We need to know who we are attaching ourselves to.

    • @Muswera
      @Muswera 7 дней назад

      🧢 why don’t they take time to know losers before sleeping 🛌 with them and having babies with deadbeats 🥴?

    • @amandahaataia5505
      @amandahaataia5505 6 дней назад +6

      @@ForrestMystic bingo! I love sex but if I don’t know the character of the man I’m with, it’s extremely risky. If he can’t at least somewhat enjoy my company, then he should find another woman! I’m looking for a mutually good fit not to “catch a man”.

    • @onemillionpercent
      @onemillionpercent 6 дней назад +1

      Yeah, agreed. But bear in mind that not all women think like this and the ones who don't are the type of women that are being discussed in most of this channel's videos

    • @tylerdurden3722
      @tylerdurden3722 6 дней назад

      @@amandahaataia5505 How has that strategy worked so far?
      How has it worked for every other female you know?
      Here's why it doesn't work:
      Women base their assessments of the world, things and people on how these make women feel... because that is the biological nature of women (and it's the best part about women, from a desirable guy's perspective)...
      In romantic situations, women make assessments in that way, instead of employing logical methodologies based on objective observations.
      If you attempt to assess the man's character based on how you FEEL about his character, you will fail every single time...and the more arousing the guy is, the stronger the "heart on the sleeve" effect is on the woman will be, which induces her to
      Basically, if you're a female, you can't trust yourself or your own brain when it comes to men. Against your own brain, you WILL lose every single time.
      Most men are experienced veterans at removing emotion from things like making assessments...we're built for it. Thus the most reliable pair of eyes for assessing a romantic candidate are the eyes of a father or brother of a female.
      Male friend's assessments most times can't be trusted (there are reasons).
      Female friend's assessments are even less trustworthy (it's not intentional).
      The most reliable assessment is from a father.
      The worst possible assessment, is by the female herself (because any experienced man knows, if she adores him enough, it becomes as if he can do no wrong in her eyes, she becomes blindly loyal, blindly trusts, blindly follows to hell and back,...none of it is earned, it just automatically comes for free attached to love.)
      (Us men are not wired like that, love does not induce trust or respect or loyalty, etc...those emotions need to be induced into us independently, aka earned one by one). Dealing with omen is easy...maker feel arousal+safe = bam!!, she just magically and bindly follows, trusts, respects, admires, loves, etc you.

    • @rory6984
      @rory6984 6 дней назад

      ​@amandahaataia5505 I'm a man, and I think the third date is perfectly reasonable. If you're looking for a long-time partner, it just makes sense to ge to know the person. If you put out after the first date then maybe you will get a relationship but maybe he will just leave in the morning. Maybe that's too much for a rich busy man but if you're a genuine guy you'll get why a good long time partner has some self respect.

  • @dynastygoddesshair6943
    @dynastygoddesshair6943 9 дней назад +30

    Imagine a pimp giving you this talk as a sales pitch.......now THAT'S a pimp.....😂😂😂.....great video and message.

  • @TylerGeffeney
    @TylerGeffeney 9 дней назад +4

    Women say they want to be appreciated for their personality and not their body but all social media posts by them are flaunting not their personality

  • @hurrikane1449
    @hurrikane1449 9 дней назад +9

    Dr Orion you have helped clear up alot of conflicting thoughts Ive been juggling in my mind. Thank you.

  • @zengjanezhu
    @zengjanezhu 8 дней назад +13

    He described a world I do not live in. I did not and will not go out with a man if it costs him $5200 a date, nor would I have sex with a man in the first or second dates. It is a ridiculous assumption that a woman should have sex with a man in the third date, let alone first or second. It is not enough to know whether two persons are compatible in the first few dates.

    • @TheLinkedList
      @TheLinkedList 8 дней назад +3

      The women I've had the longest relationships with slept with me on the first date. The same for my friends. Anyone playing hoop jumping games gets the boot

    • @ralphpinkins5619
      @ralphpinkins5619 8 дней назад +2

      @@TheLinkedList facts. if I get the hint that a woman is trying to play any type of games, im onto the next woman.

    • @ForrestMystic
      @ForrestMystic 7 дней назад

      ​@@TheLinkedListwomen, plural. Are you married?

    • @szekelycsanad340
      @szekelycsanad340 7 дней назад

      Where did the 5200 come from? Im assuming it is from a calculation but when and where did he calculate it? I havent finished the video but this confused me

    • @KingDavid5934
      @KingDavid5934 7 дней назад

      He makes the valid point that for a man of value dating indeed takes a lot of money and energy. Maybe not $5200 but trust me, a lot of money and above all, energy. Now multiply the 5 dates you are asking times say 10 women, that's 50 dates. It is also important to factor you are not the only worthy woman in town, there is plenty of them. Sometimes it is a matter of filtering them out, which can start as of date one. My rule is it is okay not to go to bed on the first date, but after it is fair game after that. I can tell you with authority, the value and worth of a woman has nothing to do with getting to bed on a second date.

  • @mauricegiuliani3806
    @mauricegiuliani3806 9 дней назад +1

    Such a great episode.
    Thanks.

  • @Awwsomee19
    @Awwsomee19 9 дней назад +17

    3 dates isn’t even a long time 🤣🤣

    • @WendyOryen
      @WendyOryen 9 дней назад +3

      Not if you don’t have hobbies. If you have things you like to do, you’re not just going to give that time up easily to go on 3 dates

    • @andyfranks1575
      @andyfranks1575 9 дней назад

      I think Orion is leaving important things out of the equation (which drives me nuts, because I almost 100% agree with these redpills otherwise). YES your time is valuable. YES no man should wait too long for sex to happen. YES the sooner she sleeps with you, the more attracted she is to you. HOWEVER, women who sleep with you on the first date are TOTAL WHORES who you'll never be able to trust. It's date #3. Not less, not more. Date 3 is ETIQUETTE.

    • @JustinColletti
      @JustinColletti 9 дней назад

      @@WendyOryen Well, obviously you shouldn’t be going on a second and third date with someone you don’t enjoy spending time with, and who you don’t see a future with.
      If the only potential benefit to dating someone is that you can eventually get sex out of them, then you probably shouldn’t be dating that person.
      Spending time with the person who you are dating should be an attractive alternative to your hobbies. But you should keep on doing your hobbies anyway.
      If I didn’t like my wife at least as much as I like jiu jitsu, I wouldn’t have married her. But I’m also not going to stop doing jiu jitsu either.

    • @ShaferHart
      @ShaferHart 8 дней назад +1

      The problem with the 3 dates is that we know it's a ruse 😂 it hasn't fooled anybody for at least 30 years. We know you do away with that rule for the "right" guy too so it's worthless to signal any kind of virtue. Anyways, it's not like we can force you to do anything so we just go along with it since it makes you feel better. It's always silly but it is what it is. Just know that it really isn't fooling anybody in this day and age 😂

    • @JustinColletti
      @JustinColletti 8 дней назад +1

      @@ShaferHart for intelligent, decent women, it’s not a ruse.
      They know that if they give it up right away, the “right” guy won’t take them seriously, and they’ve ruined their long term prospects with him.
      It may be counterintuitive, but if a smart woman is going to make the mistake of giving it up early, she’s going to make the mistake with someone she doesn’t care about losing as a long term prospect.
      It’s the dumb ones who think they can trap a man out of their league into long term commitment with sex.
      They can’t. It doesn’t work that way.
      If a man in her league is high value and she gives it up early, she has just demonstrated that she is low value, and he won’t take her seriously as a long term commitment.
      Orion should understand this dynamic by now.
      He either hasn’t experienced it, hasn’t studied it, or is pushing a narrative that will get him a lot of short term tail that he doesn’t have to commit to if the women he is interested in using for hedonistic pleasure are fooled by it.
      I hope and trust it’s one of the former. Then he’s only guilty of being naive.

  • @stratelite1337
    @stratelite1337 9 дней назад +3

    Your content is elite my man. I hope men and women listen so we can finally have some real understanding in this world filled with nonsensical inefficient advice.

  • @ShekaGolden
    @ShekaGolden 3 дня назад

    Great video as usual!

  • @parall4x
    @parall4x 9 дней назад +1

    thank you for putting out a longer video. can go even longer!

  • @mmnotes95
    @mmnotes95 9 дней назад +6

    Love this series but I recommend you put part two in the title so we know that it's part two of a three-part series bro Good job keep going big fan

  • @rachelw1349
    @rachelw1349 8 дней назад +48

    Sex is not equal to a relationship.

    • @DanielFenandes
      @DanielFenandes 6 дней назад

      Sex is a requirement for a relationship to men

    • @RobertLenior
      @RobertLenior 4 дня назад +5

      No, but it is part of it

    • @wiseonwords
      @wiseonwords 3 дня назад

      @rachelw1349 - It's a pity that many women don't realise this obvious truth!

  • @nerlind
    @nerlind 9 дней назад +15

    A man who is seriously interested in you is not in a rush. That does not mean you can keep playing coy though

    • @ShaferHart
      @ShaferHart 8 дней назад +1

      My problem is with them playing coy because "they know they have to" to not be seen as "easy" when you can see they want to do it. Girls, we know that's the only reason why you're doing it and it's not fooling us anymore 😂 that strategy lost effectiveness decades ago but they keep doing it.

  • @freditorials
    @freditorials 9 дней назад +2

    You are the ‘best ‘ bro! There is nothing like your clips on all of RUclips. PERIOD

  • @ferocious_r
    @ferocious_r 5 дней назад +6

    Dude, you're setting the people who believe your message up for relationships which are not going to be working out long-term, not even medium-term.

  • @Notone001
    @Notone001 7 дней назад +6

    Did I miss something? How does he come up with the figure of 5K date? What does the figure entail? If somebody could please explain this, I would be very grateful, thank you!

    • @Rowboaty
      @Rowboaty 14 часов назад

      Basically time is money and so any time dating rather than working “costs” the man the equivalent of his hourly work pay…very cynical view in my opinion! While the economics are a relevant aspect of the equation, authentic dating and true relationships are not purely economic transactions

  • @i_youtube_
    @i_youtube_ 9 дней назад +1

    I was watching this channel in early stages. I believed it will grow fast and I see that today. Really great content❤Thank you so much.