MSI CLAW REVIEW - We saw it coming...
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- Finally reviewing the Brand New MSI Claw...
And there are issues... but maybe not even what you'd think!
MSI CLAW
Intel COre Ultra 5 125H
16GB DDR5 6400Mhz
512GB M.2 2230 SSD
Full HD 120Hz Display
Windows 11
00:00 Introduction
01:16 Specs
01:56 Price
02:24 vs. ASUS ROG Ally
03:06 Build Quality
05:28 Speakers
06:39 Fanspeed, Loudness, Temperatures
07:02 Performance Modes and Wattage/TDP
07:20 Battery
09:15 The Software
09:43 The BIOS
10:01 Performance
11:08 Gaming Benchmarks
14:34 Conclusion
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Игры
Updates:
- This Version uses the Core Ultra 5 135H (not 125H) The Only difference is 100 Mhz. Won't change anything though.
- the VRR Option is defenitely confirmed!
Please can you test overwatch on this vs rog?
Have you done a review with the Acer Nitro V15 ? Its another interesting budget gaming laptop❤
I dont think i like the testing imo. You dont wann test one product you know has less inside like a core i5 is junk now why even by it.should wait till the one that has the right specs to test them . I love msi though so the claw still seems nice asf to me.. My pc laptop are both msi .
You helped me get my Legion go up and running :) awesome channel
Going with Intel really screwed them.
Definitely, it's the jankiest of jank like this
- windows on a handheld
- intel GPU drivers and perf/w
- bad design choices
And they still ask 50-100% more than the competition
Intel's graphic cards sucks, i dunno why they chose Intel, probably because they don't want to copy other handhelds using amd but the msi claw already looks like the rog ally with a different color anyway.
I guess Intel paid more
Should have partnered with nvidia
And then what? Using the tegra? Might be even worse than intel.
For an easy VRR check, in Windows Settings -> Display -> Graphics -> Change default graphics settings. If the device supports VRR, you should see a toggle to enable/disable Variable Refresh Rate. If you open the settings on Rog Ally the toggle is there. Could you please confirm for all of us?
O wow I didn't know that! Thank you!
It's there! Confirmed!
Alot of monitor manufacturers doesn't state whether their monitor supports VRR, why is that?
I was extremely disappointed with mine. I reviewed the core ultra 7 and it was not far off with performance but the hardware itself and buttons as you said were literally garbage. It feels very cheap. They should have got community feedback and sent out review samples. They made their own bed with this one and it’s a mess that can’t be fixed imo. The only way they could redeem it is fix the buttons on a claw 2 and totally add more ram. They have way too many services running. Even after debloat. The fact they don’t have a way to adjust vram and also no temp monitor and the the fps counter is lying is wild lol. Who are they fooling?
Great video tho bro ❤
I was worried about Services. Why oh why do they need so many of them running all the time!?!
I think the fps is more of a bug, if you remove the last number it lines up closely with rivatuner
Haha what an intro, dreams do be dreams tho 😭Very much lackluster bumper buttons (on a handheld even) but hey... good speakers I guess? Sucks that there wasn't much GPU driver improvement between the release of MTL when you reviewed it, more waiting I guess
And hey, it me, the penguin!
Thanks. I just ordered mind after watching this review for 10 seconds
You should have ordered 10 though!
@@Hubwood Hahaha. It’s that good I bet.
So basically these things just more expensive because of the intel name brand alone. I knew it.
I was looking forward to some more competition in this space. Every entry so far had some specific pros & cons, but as you said, the Claw seems to have nothing unique about it. If I want simplicity (but game support limitations) I get a Deck, if I want full Windows functionality & support in a truly portable form factor I get an Ally, if I want basically a small Windows laptop replacement with controllers slapped on the side I get a Legion Go. What does the Claw do better than the others?
I had a Deck & switched to a Go & after initially really missing the positives of the Deck, I'm now very happy with my choice. Man I miss that super fast sleep & resume though, that's huge for a handheld.
You can run steam os on the legion go in dual boot though. There's a guy that made a tutorial about it on RUclips
@@Hubwood does it support the really fast sleep & resume just like the Deck though? That's very tempting if so! Use that for anything on Steam, then use Windows whenever SteamOS gets in the way. That sounds great!
Anyway I can protect the usb-c/thunderbolt port from bending/wearing/tearing aside from plug/unplugging carefully?
Does maybe using a u-shape usb-c adapter, good enough yo somehow protect the port?
I just don't get why only put one fragile port for such an expensive device.
ultra 5 really seems pointless if the ultra 7 really under performes compaired to the legion go and rog ally whats the point of the ultra 5?
I don't know. I also didn't really understand the Z1 (non extreme) version of the Ally ...
@@Hubwood IDK in my area they don't sell Z1 or ultra 5
ETA Prime seemed to get better FPS in Cyberpunk 2077 with the Core Ultra 5 Version O_o
I will also compare both Versions in an extended video in a few days.
But it's ALLY vs CLAW first :)
On it!
Hello, how many years has the Rog ally been supported with updates?
Less than a year… like 8 or 9 months.
I have small to medium hands and have a LSD 256gb steam deck but I’m looking to replace that with the claw are rog x as for as comfort in any handheld will come down to muscle memory and that shouldn’t take too long In my opinion for any hands
Fairnesshalber muss man sagen, dass der ally auch erst durch Updates richtig gut wurde. Ein wenig tut sich vielleicht also noch beim msi. Aber der Intel Chip scheint für den Verwendungszweck nicht annähernd so geeignet zu sein, wie der z1E
Klar absolut. Aber das Button Problem wird sich nicht beheben lassen. Und der Preis ist albern :D
The ssd is also a btch to replace too in the claw. You gotta remove the fan.
Schon drauf gewartet, lets see!
I have seen that turning off turbo boost increases GPU performance
I still like my Steam Deck OLED LE da mostesssst! 🤪
I think we're going to see a lot of this type of device because it's easy to carry and move around, especially since AMD has evolved a lot in terms of the internal graphics card, which has become amazing
Good point on the 16GB RAM, it seems like planned obsolesence for these handhelds as in some games it's barely enough. I'd gladly pay even 200$ more for 32GB RAM option, preferably of the Legion Go which I prefer, and it also has dual USB4. At least GPD does this for not too bad of a price...
Great video Hubwood. Your production value wayyyyy out-weighs your subscriber count, good work. As much as I enjoy crapping on intel, I'm glad they are at least catching up to AMD offerings in the mobile space. I would hate to see AMD have no competition and sit on their ass for a decade the way intel did before the Ryzen re-brand by AMD. Hopefully next generation they have a compelling product.
Thanks for the feedback :)
And I agree with your view on the competition!
Legion go is better option better screen bigger screen more hz for same price
I personally prefer the Go as well. Has no VRR though.
Kurz gesagt: Das Steam Deck OLED wischt den boden mit dem Ding auf?
I still prefer the Steam Deck OLED, with the ROG Ally following close behind. I haven't owned the Lenovo Legion Go or the MSI Claw, but I can tell I wouldn't like them as much.
SD Oled definitely like oled must be the default screen for all these handhelds
Legion Go is great. Honestly Lee it more than my Ally. Stream Deck is the most comfortable though
Legion Go is just too big for me when I tried it. Love my Ally and Steam Deck OLED
if you don't like bad speakers and a huge screen (no portable) and if you had nightmares with Intel, yes... stay away from them. steam deck and ally are the best overall at the moment.
04:26 Ah!!! So that's why it's called the Claw :D
🤯
More and more handheld PC reviews I watch the more I am glad I nabbed a Deck for $230
They way they just made user use the buttons like a claw is crazy 😆 like the name of the device itself
🙄 I was expecting that to be the best part about it considering the name. The grip and the haptics I mean.
😂😭😂😭😂
Sp legion go is still king
It has legs to improve with better drivers BUT Intel still can’t compete with AMD in this field and AMD’s performance is top notch for these kind of things. I love my legion go!
Maybe it has legs. It's just that in the past we haven't excactly been spoiled with better performance due to driver updates with Intel INTEGRATED graphics (Iris Xe etc) :-/
@@Hubwood you’re right, though with Arc it’s somewhat different. Anyway, it won’t improve to equal or win this fight. Go AMD, go!
@@ricarmig We can only hope it is different for ARC. More competition is always good. I love the RX780M but we don't want AMD to be without competition here ;)
Spot on comment!
The problem is this chip is WAY too power hungry! Their previous 1165G7 was much better for these low powered use cases.
Even more sadly performs almost the same watt to watt to this new chip.
Nasty, MSi, nasty.
The Fortnite gameplay is painful, I get a locked 60fps at 72% Rez scale high settings on the ally.
It's so bad.
I'm simultneously watching gaming benchmarks from the Steam Deck (not even OLED) with the same games you tested and they're ALL performing better than with the Claw.
They have higher fps with similar (or higher!) graphics settings.
And to top it all off, the Deck uses way less power (15W max, iirc) than these.
Some caveats I'm aware of, though: Deck uses SteamOS (Linux) and also at 800p max res.
Either way, those won't give justice to how MSI made the Claw.
The Hall effect sticks sell it for me
Get the Legion go then or replacement joystick for the Ally or deck... Intel sucks with power management and their igpu is a long way from being usable. MSI has been selling garbage since before the pandemic and the quality of any of their components has started to dwindle around the same time as if they switch manufacturing processes just to make it cheaper without doing quality control. If they ever release a Claw 2 with everything fixed and probably an arm based chip or AMD APU then I might give it a look but the current model is really bad
this issue with the claw is that is uses an intel cpu, the core ultra will never compete with the z1 in this form factor no matter what msi does, this thing was dead before arrival. if msi prices the core ultra 5 model to what the z1 ally cost then they might have a chance as the gimped gpu in the z1 will probably perform about as good in lower power settings and a bit worse in higher power settings. the core ultra 7 well i dont know maybe they can offer it at a price point of 550 but as for 699 and 799 its too expensive for the performance and general user experience as its probably the worst handheld out now.
Yeah Intel doesn't have nether the GPU tech or the driver experience to built a powerful enough integrated graphics system that will compete with AMD.
Also to my knowledge this chip biggest weakness in the GPU part so the MSI doesn't really need a stronger i7 chip for a gaming handheld since the CPU is already too strong fore the GPU. I don't know if the GPU part on the i7 chip is stronger but if it is then is a waste for MSI and it would have fair better with a custom chip that has the GPU performance of the i7 chip while still keeping the i5 CPU. This way the chip will be more balance and not waste more battery needlessly.
If the GPU on the i7 chip isn't stronger but only the CPU is then is completely pointless to buy the stronger version of this handheld.
So no surprise here. Steam deck oled still the king of handheld
do you know what the worst thing about this machine is... minimum 20w... also if you check the spec sheet for this intel 155H it actually says it requires 20w minimum and its base operating wattage is 28w... so i would not be too hopeful of a 15w mode coming in future. That's nothing short of a disaster for a handheld device, especially one that should be prime hardware for indie games. The steam deck OLED is amazing precisely because of what it can do with minimal power, i play games all the time at 4w with total system power being around 6w and that gets me 12 hours battery easily... What good is a handheld device playing games like binding of issac, dead cells or balatro, or the thousands of other games like that if the system is stuck at 20w when we know those games run on much much lower power without issue. What were MSI thinking, they must have been paid well from intel. This is what 16 cores gets you, a lot of hardware that will never get used but still needs power to stay active.
Intel has been garbage for the past few years. Sock Tanking, regret building my Desktop with it. Runs hot af, compared to its AMD equivalent.
Crazy considering running AMD 10 years ago was a meme.
We all seen it coming…except msi
Been using it, sucks like crap so far
0:08😂😂😂😂😂
also the upgradabliy is trash.. you gotta remove the fan. just why?? 😑 I feel robbed, and I didn't even bought this thing
Intel it’s not even battery efficient not sure why would they use it on a handheld.
this thing too much overpriced, if they put 32gb of ram for this price, then ok, but claw have only 16
Hot garbage it could have been decent if it had amd chip😂
This device is a prime example of a company trying to cash in. I don't wish failure for any device, but I can make an exception for this one. Just lazy.
On this episode of tech trash we have :
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Worse performance than Steam Deck hta cost me $235 ;)
steam deck has 3 years of up´dates......
2 years :)
@@horaciobrownperalta467steam deck could have 20 years of updates, it still should not outperform this machine... what do you guys think software can do, increase hardware spec?
Even the ROG is terrible, windows is just so bad on this devices and the 16gb ram is often a bottleneck. I tried it but will stick wit the steam deck , it just feels so more mature. Great review of course and still interested in the performance of the i7
while Windows surely lacks some optimization it is THE selling argument for most people. (Would be the same for me) as it allows you to use the device in more ways....
your right i got a windows based handheld and then sold it was so worse than my Steamdeck, i want a handheld to play games, not anything else , if i want to use windows i would use my laptop/ipad or my desktop, i don't see the use of windows on a handheld
SteamOS is not so great when your favorite games/tools won't run.. or run poorly.. plus modding games on SteamOS is a total chore.
Windows is just so much better off back.. I feel like Valve performed a magic trick that that everyone fell for.
Some people are anxious about the power usage of handheld PCs. That can be fixed with an outlet. Not near an outlet.. get a battery bank. You probably already have one if you have a laptop or another handheld.
I found myself to be more anxious with a Steam Deck. Was the game I wanted to play too demanding? Does it have an anti cheat that expects Windows operating system? Will there be issues in some games with Proton. Am I on the right Proton layer. Will the game run at all.
The only anxiety that I get now on the Ally is "when is it coming to PC?" Because it can for damn sure handle it
@@dirkwood4544 I only play single player games, the only multiplayer game I’ll play on my Deck is HD2 because I work out of state sometimes, other than that every game I own on Steam before I got my deck works on the deck, I play all multiplayer games on my PS5 with a 25” 165hz monitor
@@dirkwood4544 a lot of games that do not run on steam os (from the recent ones) often run poorly if at all on this devices as well. And stuff like the docked experience or the sleep and resume are just awesome. Have you actually tried both on a day by day basis? You might would think twice. If I really want windows, I then switch to the PC with enough power to run the whole OS and has inputs and a display it was designed for.
that thing cost how much ?! 900?! MSI what a rip off! with Intel
Please don't make any more jokes, your humor is way off
Which Humor? Which jokes?
Im German.
We don't have any kind of Humor.
@@Hubwood obviously you don't, I mean do NOT force try it! That part where you jokingly stopped the review or when you dream and wake up to... Please don't it was super lame and cringe
@@alifarsani2469 yeah No sorry.
I won't stop :) I run my channel how I like to do it. I enjoy making videos. And sometimes I enjoy these little skits. It's totally okay if you don't like them and consider them cringe. Totally. You don't have to watch it.
But you can't tell me what to do and what not. Get it? 😘
@@Hubwood yeah and people like me find them extremely annoying and lame. Good thing you are so freaking bad at dealing with criticism even constructive ones lol makes it much easier to unsubscribe and forget about you. No wonder you are nobody chanel with very few people liking your crap lol German 😉
Uh yeah insulting. Give me more 😂
Show everyone how mature you are 😘
Let it all out! I can take it.
Farewell.
When the Rog Ally and Steamdeck first came out, they were junk and everyone said the category would never survive. The Claw is just fine. It will be optimized with drivers and bios updates over time. I have the Steamdeck, Ally, and i7 claw. But since you’ve been a hater on this since the CES debut, I’ll just not watch your crap in the future. I’m not a fan of tribal fanboys.
Ok. Not a fanboy though. I'm not a child. It's just not justified to pay over 200 euros more for a device that's not really doing anything better but worse.
As I said lowering prices and optimizing drivers could help, but intel didn't exactly shine in improving mobile drivers for their igpus in the past. And for me the Button issue is just ridiculous.
Driver updates or not it is underperforming against older hardware at a higher price tag. You are on real copium if you think it will get flesh out drivers as amd let alone perform under 15 watts as good as the steam deck or over 15 watts as good as the 7840u. It came out in 2024 and still couldn't be bothered to add more vram. That ram is about a $ per gig and they are cheaping out. Everyone knew a long time ago how this was going to turn out and it met peoples expectations perfectly. I think the only thing going for it is on the cpu side emulation will run like a champ. Just wait for strix point to show up and really blow this POS out of the water lmao.
I mean, anyone who follows the hardware decisions and performance of this Intel chip could see the Claw's lackluster performance coming a mile away.
And then there are the ergonomics and button letdowns, which I think fewer people saw coming. And in relation to that issue of ergonomics, this becomes a strong argument for the versatility of the Legion Go, now that their rep has confirmed that additional accessories are coming. Not to mention the possibility of aftermarket controllers.
Not a fanboy to expect a new, more expensive item to perform better than the older items it is imitating. It should at least perform on par to justify the price.
dude... the claw came out like hot trash. not even the deck and ally massed up that bad. but hey you have the right of your opinion. but I get his point! I don't like the claw
Man..what half as mediocre device. I rather get a steamdeck over this and i own a steamdeck and hate it. Yikes! LEGIONGO is what i will go for.