Can THE CLAW Compete?

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  • Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
  • The MSI Claw is an interesting device. It's different than lots of the devices out there in many ways, but is that a good thing?
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Комментарии • 182

  • @da3726
    @da3726 Месяц назад +52

    Thank you for saving my junk. That deserves a like

  • @thefoxhouse
    @thefoxhouse Месяц назад +33

    It’s nice to see an actual positive review on the MSI Claw

  • @jackdoobie
    @jackdoobie Месяц назад +24

    I fought the claw and the claw won.

  • @ItWasAllPartOfMyPlan
    @ItWasAllPartOfMyPlan Месяц назад +61

    Claw? More like mittens

  • @_Majoras
    @_Majoras Месяц назад +37

    gonna hold off until the successor, the msi hook

  • @beowolf410
    @beowolf410 Месяц назад +11

    This just adds to competition which benefits the consumer in the long run. It isnt for me but I'm sure theres intel purists that have been waiting for this thing to hit the market.

    • @imaginalex5850
      @imaginalex5850 19 дней назад

      it is just e waste to launch a handheld so weak, they should know better

  • @crystal_is_cozy
    @crystal_is_cozy Месяц назад +14

    I like that you’re giving this one a chance and making a point that a huge chunk of its shortcomings are price related. Interesting and entertaining as always! Thanks for the vid!

    • @TechDweeb
      @TechDweeb  Месяц назад +4

      Thanky! Yeah I had good fun with this. I was expecting to hate it from the sentiment online but it's a really nice gaming experience. I don't doubt that they'll cut the price. MSI is usually the 'budget midrange' option when it comes to PC stuff like laptops, monitors, etc. I'm sure they'll undercut the competition once their initial push trails off.

  • @SirCaco
    @SirCaco Месяц назад +22

    "The Claw" in the world of handhelds has a different meaning if you were a part of the oldschool PSP Monster Hunter scene. I wonder who the genius was that came up with that technique.

    • @poultrylord7300
      @poultrylord7300 Месяц назад

      I could never get into the MH games on the PSP despite loving the series, holding the console like that was sooo uncomfortable after even like 5 minutes. Couldn't even kill a Gendrome before cramping up!

    • @Seikatsu
      @Seikatsu Месяц назад +1

      @@poultrylord7300 I just pretend its a zelda game and constantly use L to put the camera behind you every 10 seconds

    • @SirCaco
      @SirCaco Месяц назад

      ​@@poultrylord7300That's unfortunate. It wasn't a comfortable grip by any means, but it was the meta and we powered through the pain. At some point it just kinda stopped hurting. Never stopped getting me some weird looks in the train though.

    • @chronossage
      @chronossage Месяц назад

      The claw has never died. People are currently using it in Helldivers 2 on modern controllers for inputting stratagems.

    • @arondyte318
      @arondyte318 Месяц назад

      My left hand suddenly cried in pain when I read this comment

  • @the_nerdbucket
    @the_nerdbucket Месяц назад +7

    all hail, TechDweeb! SAVIOR OF JUNKS!

  • @dementedp
    @dementedp 21 день назад +2

    The Claw needs to be at least 550-600 USD to be competitive. At that price point the Ally or the Steam Deck are way better choices.

  • @BandoidView
    @BandoidView Месяц назад +3

    I like the paddle buttons. They can come in very handy, especially when you need to add UI functions when streaming games. For instance, I use the right back paddle as the Xbox home button when I'm streaming from there. Edit: I have a ROG Ally

  • @pspsmallz
    @pspsmallz Месяц назад +3

    Finally a reasonable review for this that isnt pure hyperbole. The shoulder buttons, software for tuning power usage and the price seem like the biggest set backs based on what you said. Hopefully their next version of the claw can fix all that and the first claw gets heavily discounted. Thanks for the fair review, techdweeb.

  • @borf42
    @borf42 Месяц назад +5

    Thank you for saving my junk! You're the best!

    • @TechDweeb
      @TechDweeb  Месяц назад +2

      Always lookin out for ya Borf

  • @gnarlyblasterboys4123
    @gnarlyblasterboys4123 Месяц назад +2

    I love how you haven’t blown your nose since 1986… subbed!

  • @eldercristian7329
    @eldercristian7329 Месяц назад +3

    Tech D. froze for a moment 😆 one of my favourite channel about Retro and technology!

  • @xbostonboyiZfirex
    @xbostonboyiZfirex 19 дней назад +1

    I’m having trouble with picking this the rog ally of the legion go. Which is best u think? I think the hall effect sticks are the 1tb drive and sd card that works are most important to me. But I also don’t think asus will drift if I do get it. But the legion go looks sick too. Is the intel cpu worse then the amd chipset?

  • @baoquoc3710
    @baoquoc3710 Месяц назад +1

    tbh, after the whole Asus ROG Ally SD card melting and troublesome RMA reputation, the MSI will now at least have some chance to be the Ally alternative aside from the Lenovo Legion Go, which is a more solid handheld than the other two, but spotty availability held it back

  • @user-yg2dm5sf9r
    @user-yg2dm5sf9r Месяц назад

    Do you have the RGB20SX coming in for review? I'm waiting for your take on the device. 😊

  • @AppNasty
    @AppNasty Месяц назад

    The amount of quality in Tech Dweebs vids deserve at LEAST 250k subs by the end of 2024.

  • @JermundOttermo
    @JermundOttermo 14 дней назад

    Liked and subscribed, thanks for the laughs and valuable security ..tip.

  • @Hubwood
    @Hubwood 22 дня назад +1

    Finally somebody beside me critisizing the terrible RB/LB Buttons...

  • @GameplayTubeYT
    @GameplayTubeYT Месяц назад +2

    You have a Lenovo Legion Go Content can't find it? Can you give me link?

  • @shto4782
    @shto4782 Месяц назад +4

    why do you need to send it back? msi what are you doing? let the guy keep it, he freaking promotes it.... If I would be them I would send you 3 at least

  • @garethevans2499
    @garethevans2499 Месяц назад +7

    "among the worst bumpers i have ever felt" title of your mum's... Oh forget it.

  • @washuai
    @washuai Месяц назад +2

    Sold at Costco? When? Where? What price?

  • @jamesmannion7560
    @jamesmannion7560 22 дня назад

    My junk is safe for another week 😀 great video man. Looking at a handheld while I'm travelling.

  • @andyredfearn3002
    @andyredfearn3002 Месяц назад +2

    The main issue is this is still worse than the Rog Ally (as a whole), so the price has to actually be even lower than the already discounted Ally to make anyone take a serious look. Good review. Maybe if they bundle a Steve and a Amanada version together in one giant package, along with a less junk destroying Claw, they'll have a winner.

    • @TechDweeb
      @TechDweeb  Месяц назад

      Yeah the price is the biggest flaw here. Good device, at the wrong price.

  • @Sadtiric
    @Sadtiric Месяц назад +6

    Interesting points, sir! You may have just sold me on one after the inevitable price drop 💚. I know I want a Windows handheld eventually..

    • @TechDweeb
      @TechDweeb  Месяц назад +1

      I think after the price drop, this'll be a great choice. MSI products are usually compelling because of the price:performance. This isn't there yet but I don't doubt it will be.

    • @Dracossaint
      @Dracossaint Месяц назад +1

      If the claw dropped $200. It probably wouldn't be the worst value, I am doubtful though that we will see a price drop. They really need to optimize low power usage mode a lot.
      I also think overall the software needs a lot more cooking and I have my doubts with MSI. Hopefully hand held companion picks up the slack

  • @geerhead
    @geerhead Месяц назад

    I seen the thumbnail and thought of Jim Carrey in the movie liar liar and got a good chuckle.

  • @bembelknecht
    @bembelknecht Месяц назад +1

    That thumbnail had some "Nightmare on Dweeb-Street"-vibes...

  • @CRAgamer
    @CRAgamer Месяц назад

    I haven't slept in two days. I genuinely thought this video was about claw gripping on handhelds.

  • @I4get42
    @I4get42 Месяц назад +3

    Good morning TD! hee hee, I see that playdoh toy knife you got on your desk so that Aden Walls gets a chuckle. 😀

    • @TechDweeb
      @TechDweeb  Месяц назад +2

      Adin and I are going to knife fight with fisher price toys

    • @I4get42
      @I4get42 Месяц назад

      @@TechDweeb:-P Maybe his DnD character could hold it 😀

  • @Joloxx
    @Joloxx Месяц назад +2

    Letsgooo new Vid!!

  • @Metal-Josh
    @Metal-Josh Месяц назад +2

    Good looking machine. Too bad about price though.
    And I know this isn’t the place for my question, but I’m asking anyway.
    Would you recommend the 256gb lcd Steam Deck still? On a budget here

    • @TechDweeb
      @TechDweeb  Месяц назад +3

      Oh definitely, the 256gb LCD deck is one of the best deals in gaming right now!

    • @Metal-Josh
      @Metal-Josh Месяц назад

      @@TechDweeb (In a Mr Burns voice) “excellent!”
      Thanks TechDweeb, you could be a counsellor. Having the answers.

  • @cameraman1234567890
    @cameraman1234567890 20 дней назад +1

    Waiting for better OLED version to come out

  • @rometherevenant8749
    @rometherevenant8749 Месяц назад

    Immediate love the video for the Jim Carrey reference

  • @Ben-pi8nd
    @Ben-pi8nd Месяц назад +1

    I have All 4 Big Devices testet and the Claw fits the Best in the hand

  • @ZwickTheEditor
    @ZwickTheEditor Месяц назад +3

    Ain't on law when you're drinking the Claw! 😎

  • @supergooglelee
    @supergooglelee Месяц назад +1

    I have just pre-ordered the new iPad Pro with OLED screen. Can’t wait to try some retro stuff on it. I hope the M4 chip can cope with PS2 emulation if an emulator eventually becomes available on iOS.

  • @steveweinberg462
    @steveweinberg462 Месяц назад +2

    As a "Steve" I have to say... yeah.

  • @Stef2050
    @Stef2050 Месяц назад +2

    Why'd TechDweeb just describe me in the intro??

  • @DemocracyJones
    @DemocracyJones Месяц назад

    Hey TD! Have you tried out the new bios (E1T41IMS.106) and gpu driver (31.0.101.5445) that got released yesterday? I don't have a Claw but MSI is claiming a 150% increase in performance in certain situations

    • @Dracossaint
      @Dracossaint Месяц назад

      Typically if something goes up. 150%. It's because it was fundamentally broken beforehand. Like I'm talking 15 fps to 45 fps broken

    • @DemocracyJones
      @DemocracyJones Месяц назад

      ​@@DracossaintI don't know about broken but definitely not organized enough before release. This is a new thing from Intel like TechD mentions in the video. I'm just curious if he's tried out the new updates and got similar results. Tom's Hardware had an article about it yesterday but it read like they were just reporting on the updates and haven't tested it themselves

  • @MrTurtlebird
    @MrTurtlebird Месяц назад

    I am interested in seeing how the Claw improves over time. They really are gonna have to plummet that price though, especially with Asus getting ready to launch their Ally revision.

  • @meisner-effect
    @meisner-effect Месяц назад +5

    solid review, I done buying handhelds this year, the claw closed the deal, lol. funny as hell, hey that dude was your boring uncle Todd already , lol

    • @TechDweeb
      @TechDweeb  Месяц назад +3

      Yeah Todd makes the rounds huh

  • @hadamana
    @hadamana Месяц назад

    Where's that OLED Steam Deck review link in the description?

    • @washuai
      @washuai Месяц назад

      It's the third link, did you click more to read the description?

  • @bullymaguire243
    @bullymaguire243 Месяц назад

    Can wait for the successor, the Msi papercut

  • @charleshon6835
    @charleshon6835 Месяц назад

    is this the latest bios?

  • @Dads1stTime
    @Dads1stTime Месяц назад +1

    I sense much Canada in TexhDweeb...

  • @kumaSOevl
    @kumaSOevl Месяц назад +1

    I thought u we’re describing me in the beginning

  • @CandyChannel1966
    @CandyChannel1966 18 дней назад

    The price is way too expensive for me. It has no OLED screen either and the screen is too small for me

  • @Mr4real0316
    @Mr4real0316 Месяц назад

    The I-5 version with a terabyte and a case for 700 dollars might be compelling.

  • @Dracossaint
    @Dracossaint Месяц назад

    3:56 jokes on you! I'm into that! (Not really, but i found it funny)

  • @fredericmanson441
    @fredericmanson441 Месяц назад

    In the end, nothing beats the Steam Deck OLED...

  • @Curse0fMandos
    @Curse0fMandos Месяц назад +1

    A bowl is concave, not convex. Love your content.

    • @TechDweeb
      @TechDweeb  Месяц назад

      OMG I can't believe I goofed that up. I feel like a dweeb 🤓

  • @Yeshuah6
    @Yeshuah6 Месяц назад

    Love that im not the only one that jokes about eating the silica gel packs

  • @ralphmcmahan2139
    @ralphmcmahan2139 Месяц назад

    Lanyards are a big deal to me. Like I don't use my Steam Deck anywhere in the house that doesn't have carpet, important. My claws don't work great.

  • @inovade
    @inovade Месяц назад

    i still dont get why does it look very similiar with ally???

  • @GNARUTOx
    @GNARUTOx Месяц назад

    Baaaaabe, TD dropped the claw video. Grab the root beers!

  • @cangel8563
    @cangel8563 Месяц назад +2

    Windows handhelds aren't exactly inviting to me for some reason..

  • @NoiseRockGamer
    @NoiseRockGamer Месяц назад +1

    $700 is an absolute deal breaker.

  • @ranielnascimentoferreira8808
    @ranielnascimentoferreira8808 Месяц назад

    Was hoping to see a toy story reference

  • @danielwaters3188
    @danielwaters3188 Месяц назад

    I feel like this is an evolution of a product that will be better in the future. That's not a critique, that's just my opinion, man.

  • @KevinAdams06
    @KevinAdams06 Месяц назад +2

    My name is Kevin, I am a claw. Or that is what my wife says.

  • @sacredvolt69
    @sacredvolt69 Месяц назад +1

    I've watched a ton of reviews of the claw just because I like to see people dunk on this thing, and you're the first one I've heard mention the Vt-d issue. Feel like this needs to be more widely known, a 10% performance bump takes this thing from hot trash to actually possibly competitive. Still overpriced but not so terribly much

    • @TechDweeb
      @TechDweeb  Месяц назад +1

      Yeah totally, although the responsibility is on MSI. If this really does provide such a big performance boost they need to include it as an update and enable it by default. The user shouldn't be expected to go into the BIOS just to get their games to run better! Hopefully if we can get the word out those that have a Claw can benefit in the meantime.

  • @Moatiz
    @Moatiz Месяц назад

    Definitely an interesting device with lots of.... criticism but hopefully MSI and Intel will both take notes as this felt more like an experimental device rather than a fully baked one

  • @Rockysbeats
    @Rockysbeats Месяц назад

    its monstrous id take a pocket go any day and save a fortune

  • @sahabatgamerID
    @sahabatgamerID Месяц назад

    2:41 is that a coded message?🧐 Do we need to call 911? 🤔

  • @ryanfowlow8034
    @ryanfowlow8034 Месяц назад +1

    Poor Steve's.

  • @erictrauman2879
    @erictrauman2879 Месяц назад

    real cool pimp

  • @decisionparalysis7856
    @decisionparalysis7856 Месяц назад +1

    Nothing can touch the Trackpads on the Steam Deck, those are pretty much standard in my eyes now. That being said I don't hold anything against these other devices and would still try them. Waiting for a Steam Controller modeled after the Deck now, it seems so simple to do, not sure what is taking so long. Valve please take my money!

    • @gdot1803
      @gdot1803 Месяц назад +2

      Yep. I'm playing RTS games, TBS and old school CRPG on Deck and the trackpads are essential for playing them on handheld. You can try to use the touchscreen, but if the games were designed for mouse pointer, that feels janky and inaccurate and trying to use the analog stick feels even worse.

    • @kylespevak6781
      @kylespevak6781 Месяц назад +1

      It's a shame Steamdeck isn't very powerful

    • @decisionparalysis7856
      @decisionparalysis7856 Месяц назад +1

      @@kylespevak6781 Price to performance it is pretty powerful. It will play about anything you throw at it. It really doesn't need to be too overpowered to be honest. I am sure the next iteration will be better also, and they have given us a pretty good window between release. The oled was kind of a Nintendo move but not too bad, and totally worth it. The Steam Deck seems to be the winner of this cycle of devices, which is pretty experimental as it is at this point in time.

    • @kylespevak6781
      @kylespevak6781 Месяц назад

      @@decisionparalysis7856 Literally it's power is the only thing I'm not sure about, otherwise I'd grab it as a second device. Kind of like the ROG for Windows as well so I could use an OS I'm more comfortable with.

    • @kylespevak6781
      @kylespevak6781 Месяц назад

      @@decisionparalysis7856 Can it run Cemu well? That's a good gauge of what I'd be doing

  • @kmjsuperfly1
    @kmjsuperfly1 Месяц назад +1

    As a fellow Steve I resemble that comment.

  • @WIImotionmasher
    @WIImotionmasher Месяц назад +1

    All I've heard about the claw is that it's way worse and is useless. I'm glad to see your review show me what's actually going on: nearly identical performance to ROG Ally on battery power. TDP doesnt change but lower end games actually last longer on the claw.
    This changed my mind about the Claw. While I still would prefer the Steamdeck for it's steam input options with the touchpads and gyro. I would be willing to get a Claw too now. Atleast its build quality is better than the rog

    • @TechDweeb
      @TechDweeb  Месяц назад +1

      Actually the claw is worse on battery power for high end games, but much better for lower end games. That's the big tradeoff I think. And the Ally has games that work better on it, for example cyberpunk is faster on the ally. But in the big picture they are very close.

  • @triage9082
    @triage9082 Месяц назад +1

    lol they want 1200 for it? ill stick to the z1 extreme ally lol.

  • @nickentros
    @nickentros Месяц назад +1

    The MSI Steve

    • @TechDweeb
      @TechDweeb  Месяц назад +1

      And the ASUS Amanda 🤣

  • @nrimichael4046
    @nrimichael4046 Месяц назад +2

    If you are kidnapped show some hand gestures like the sos to call for help in your next video

  • @Chrisdumm1
    @Chrisdumm1 Месяц назад

    That’s fair. 😉

  • @MiguelDeMarchena
    @MiguelDeMarchena Месяц назад +1

    If i can get a handheld pc i will go for steam deck because of linux.

  • @superscatman4236
    @superscatman4236 Месяц назад

    The Claw thinks it's Fletcher Reede but really, it's Jerry.

  • @jadedshard9650
    @jadedshard9650 Месяц назад

    yay halls of torment great game so much like gauntlet

  • @Brammen007
    @Brammen007 Месяц назад

    Meh, to each their own I suppose. I think most peeps would be better served by a Legion Go, Ally, or SD oled.

  • @ogrejd
    @ogrejd Месяц назад

    Hmm. I dunno if I'd want Wi-Fi that promises to kill my Intel...

  • @cameraman1234567890
    @cameraman1234567890 20 дней назад

    I love MSI, but would have loved for AMD to be in this console, intel hasn’t really helped make things affordable for the price. Thats why this console struggles with price is because intel is more expensive.

  • @X862go
    @X862go Месяц назад

    I can't. INTEL is a no-go🙅‍♂️

  • @lalamove8712
    @lalamove8712 Месяц назад

    Idnt like claw. . I recomend asus deck or go

  • @FPSmodz-
    @FPSmodz- Месяц назад

    Nothing beats the steam deck. Valve please just give us all the drivers for windows. Also, it seems that all the steam deck alternatives try to be too 'gamery' with RGB and sleek edges.

    • @kylespevak6781
      @kylespevak6781 Месяц назад

      ROG Ally with the extreme processor is more powerful though

  • @kw9209
    @kw9209 Месяц назад

    Hmmm so that’s your secret to success…… silicon gel

  • @markdove5930
    @markdove5930 Месяц назад

    Is it at least good at ps3 emulation?
    If the answer is in the video I'm sorry

  • @MattyStarfish
    @MattyStarfish Месяц назад

    Hi Amanda ❤

  • @Lycan3303
    @Lycan3303 Месяц назад +1

    Steam Deck OLED is best girl

  • @Tubes78
    @Tubes78 20 дней назад

    The price is it's biggest problem. It's almost 250 euro 💶 more expensive then a ROG Ally.

  • @RockDeer-Island
    @RockDeer-Island Месяц назад

    not trusting intel igpu and driver over amd offering for now, waiting intel catching up first

  • @Harpy-with-Legs
    @Harpy-with-Legs Месяц назад

    I like me schweem denk

  • @axelgear666
    @axelgear666 Месяц назад +2

    Not with that crappy intel processor and shitty igpu.
    Amd ryzen is still the champ, own a gpd win mini 2023. I set the TDP at 18 watts

    • @washuai
      @washuai Месяц назад

      I wish I had a budget to deal with the risk proposition of GPD Win mini 2024. Steam Deck OLED support, repair, software gives more confidence

    • @axelgear666
      @axelgear666 Месяц назад +1

      @washuai the lack of oculink is why I opted for the win mini 2023 version. Gpd win mini 2024 feels more or less a downgrade. Until thunderbolt 5 arrives to the scene, egpu bandwidth bottlenecks will continue to persist these devices.
      But I will never buy an Intel UMPC, they're graphic drivers stink

    • @washuai
      @washuai Месяц назад

      @@axelgear666 great point about OCuLink, thanks

    • @axelgear666
      @axelgear666 Месяц назад

      @washuai the only risk i see are the batteries, sooner or later aftermarket win mini batteries will arrive at the scene. (Especially on aliexpress)
      The joystick nubs are aftermarket k-silver hall effect sensor pads found on a few of the premium ambernic Linux handheld devices.
      In fact asides from gulikit, the aftermarket k-silvers are being utilized as replacement joycon sticks for the Nintendo switch

  • @coolhawk2003
    @coolhawk2003 Месяц назад

    Cost. Thats why i dont have any

  • @rushmore3927
    @rushmore3927 Месяц назад

    Nope. Next question!

  • @SeldomSeen-if4pq
    @SeldomSeen-if4pq Месяц назад

    "Variable refresh rate" means you aint playing aaa game at 1080p and think it will run smoothly.

  • @eatereater6312
    @eatereater6312 Месяц назад +1

    WE NEED A rg28xx REVEIW

    • @TechDweeb
      @TechDweeb  Месяц назад

      I don't have it yet but I'm DEFINITELY gonna get my hands on one soon and will do a review :)

    • @eatereater6312
      @eatereater6312 Месяц назад

      @@TechDweeb I’ve seen other people cover it, but I won’t make a final decision until your review 😎 I’ll be waiting!

  • @adinwalls
    @adinwalls Месяц назад

    You’re scared of the claw… on a serious note in South Africa (and other countries I’m sure global brands like MSI and Asus) are able to get their more powerful Windows devices to use cheaper than the Steamdeck. That really changes the argument for a lot of people.

  • @user-yg7tw7ru7w
    @user-yg7tw7ru7w Месяц назад +1

    bring back ur cat

  • @anthonylowe8819
    @anthonylowe8819 Месяц назад

    Nah the internals and battery aren’t up to par IMO. Let alone that price tag. It’s a pass.