I know that it would be cowardly of me to beat up an injured guy. So I already healed you up. You should be completely fixed now, can you move your arms? Noe that your all healed up I can beat the shit out of you without it being a coward. DORARARARARARARARARARARARA
Josuke will always be my favorite Jojo due to how much of a chill/friendly guy. Like Araki said he’s the kinda guy you’d wanna be friends with. I don’t mind the way Part 4 handled having several main characters bc it helped with the Town Setting but I can agree that letting Joarto get the last hit on Kira was kinda disappointing but He did have a great fight against Kira. Also Rip to the legend Billy Kametz for his Great voice As Josuke in the English Dub
I kinda like Jotaro hitting Kira last, Jotaros always the Hero type no matter where he is. Josukes a hero too but hes more of a bro while Jotaro literally hunts a dude across the globe. Him to get the final hit on Kira doesn't diminish Josuke's hype for me at all. Just another consequence of timestop.
He's my favorite after Jolyne. I like to argue how the Bites the Dust tussle is my favorite fight of the first 5 Parts of JoJo. Josuke interpolates just about everything he learned about Crazy D throughout Part 4 into that fight - right down to a panel from the manga version of the Transmission Tower arc, "I can't fix back this guy's (wet, slippery) blood that's already down here!" From that line we are led to potentially consider/infer, like, "huh...so, I wonder what else he can do with 'blood' after he got his own both on & in the shoulder of Kira?" which leads into his own dried-dead-blood-bending Crazy Diamond healing exploit for massive damage - which essentially won his portion of the fight (using the gun-firing power of Crazy D's flick - which he learned to do in the Ratt arc). &, just as much, I find an even stronger case insofar as Hayato's mother, Shinobu, very-suddenly falling for Kira perhaps due to the Cinderella Stand's lingering effect it may have had on him. His good luck/fate really dictated those events for him, and while he thought Hayato did everything for him - he only further counteracted his luck by being a creepy kid maybe almost as much as Kira was a creepy dude.
I wouldn't say Hayato is as creepy as Kira cause Kira is just on a whole other level. If I could give a theory, I would say both Shinobu's infatuation and Hayato spying on them are Cinderella Stand's lingering effect since because of those trait from them that let the others to find Kira. Kinda like fate send him into the worst case scenario for someone to discover his true identity
A lot of what was found as an issue I found enjoyable because of the writing. This season feels relaxing at times and completely insane at others. It implements stands in everyday uses and regular human wants and uses the whole cast to do it. It has a Saturday morning cartoon vibe to it but is still current and engaging in episodes that don’t move the plot. It’s refreshing to see a jojo so happy go lucky yet still as compelling. I’m waiting for another season like this one!
I really is more on how you want your shows. I loved the slice of life take, I love seeing stand users with everyday lives and while many start out using it for bad learn how to use it in a postive way rather than focusing them on majority villains who die. It's nice getting to see most of the characters manage to live and not have a death crazy season for allies and minor antagonists while still keeping it overall compelling and having a very dark undertone with Kira-- managing to balance a much different genre of sorts with the standard jjba style. But if people like jjba for the horror, for the violence and direct action of good vs bad/moral vs immoral then people aren't going to enjoy it despite the writing and more unique take on what it means to live in this world with a stand.
my theory for why Josuke didn't have Fungami sniff out Kira's location was because Josuke didn't fully trust him even after the fight with Enigma. The guy had just become an ally & Rohan was already close to the solution, so why bother trusting the guy who made it clear he doesn't want to get into more danger. Either this or the idea of sniffing out Kira's location had never crossed either Josuke & Fungami's mind. Edit: A potential 3rd option is Josuke did ask Fungami to sniff out Kira, but he flat out refused because he already made it clear he wants no part in hunting a serial killer
Watching part 4 I was getting increasingly annoyed at the amount of times that Jotaro’s the world was mentioned and not seen. Josuke is my favourite jojo and Okuyasu is my favourite jobro so I just had a lot of fun watching the action and the funny conversations. I was more pleased than anything seeing Jotaro actually use his powers at the end, he was portrayed as smart and menacing but would often bumble around or be just around the corner. The ending with Kira suits the part, where anything can happen, a slice of life story doesn’t need a main hero and I was just glad to see Jotaro get some action too
I can feel where you're coming from with being disappointed that he didn't get to take out the main villain, but honestly for me? A guy who lived to see the end of the original Adventure Time series where Finn did literally FUCK-ALL in the FINAL EPISODE of his OWN GODDAMN SHOW? Josuke still made a spectacular show of at least kicking Kira's ass for a bit up until Jotaro showed up. It really could have been SO MUCH WORSE...
I think it's perfect that Kira doesn't die to Josuke, it's in character. Josuke would rather leave someone to rot in an object prison then face the idea of killing them.
I still find it interesting that Josuke has not killed an enemy except for the two rats that had the sniper stand when Jotaro took him to go hunting to practice ranged combat.
would also say the same with Jonathan in Eyes of Heaven game. People say he should be the one who has to finish Dio but it would really be out of character as he still cares so Jotaro being the main guy there fits
@@quiteabizarreone6441 technically Johnathan have killed the dead that was brought back to life like tarkus the exception is jack the ripper but i dint concider jack a human in the first place.
I mean, technically he killed angelo? I mean yes he is still alive because he was turned in to a rock, but it is still probably a fate worse than death, that is unless you are Diavolo who is dying in a loop
Josuke being underutilized when compared to previous JoJo’s felt more like a concession with Araki’s ever evolving writing. As you go through each part of JoJo numerically, you start to see the protagonists have less time in the spotlight than the one before them. That’s because they had to share it more with that part’s cast of characters. Part 4 felt like an experiment in this style.
I actually agree with like in part 5 mista and bruno out shined the hell out of giorno like if I'm being honest to me the only memorable things I got from giorno was the 7 page muda and ger and my brain kinda throws the rest out the window
@@epicnessoflegends Giorno is definitely meant to be more of a shining beacon/guide to Bucciarati’s group, as he plays a support role in most fights after joining
Agreed. Speedwagon was just Jonathan's cheerleader. Will Zeppeli taught Jonathan the basics of Hamon and died. Caesar and Lisa Lisa trained longer than Joseph in Hamon but couldn't defeat at least one Pillar Man each. Stardust Crusaders did a better job than Parts 1 and 2, but it still felt like Jotaro was the guy who carried the team most of the time. What I like about Part 4 is that there was no great evil to defeat until the third act. It was everyday scenarios where people used their Stands in their lives to make them easier. While it's true that I wanted Josuke to be the one to off Kira or someone different from Jotaro, he doesn't live in Morioh, so it doesn't have a great impact on the Narrative of Part 4, I'm content with the ending.
@@mrmwm5446 i meant more that there was no mention of him after pt 5 when realistically the gang woulda gotten in contact with the speedwagon foundation or something because they had polnerev as a member
Idk I think jolyne did some pretty inventive stuff. But yeah when I first watched part 4 I was constantly in that phase of "oh that's neat". I remember my jaw dropping when he destroyed and rebuilt the motorcycle. Also the punching a hole into someone on the first episode was amazing.
When discussing Kira's actual death, you forgot to mention the fact that he wanted to stay unnoticed by the people around him, and ended up dying because the ambulance driver didn't notice him.
Yeah but I also kind of add a semi ironic thing the ambulance driver didn’t notice him but a lot of people still gathered around and noticed his death so I guess ironically he was both noticed and unnoticed at the same time
If you were to talk about Yukako Yamagishi's redemption, I do have a positive to say: She at least makes the change to put Koichi's wants and needs before her own, respects his space and boundaries, and doesn't force things. Before she was the total opposite. She realized what didn't work and made the conscious decision to change for the better. Now, I will agree that Koichi shouldn't have gotten with her because of what she did to him.
I don't mind that Yukako and Koichi hook up, but I hate the way they hook up. I remember when I first read the Cinderella arc, it came across like Yukako brainwashed Koichi into loving her and then... that was it.
@@nuibaba280 yeah, but the thing is that episode doesn't elaborate on WHY he loves her after all. from our perspective, she traumised koichi, tried to brainwash him, and now he loves her. there's no reason why he would, and while I do love their relationship from that point on, I have to admit that it's beginning felt undercooked.
Its kinda weird we never see that passione connected with the speedwagon foundation or something since polnerev was probably with them up to the events of stone ocean. I guess they never connected after giorno became a mob boss 🤷♂️
I definitely see why this is a valid take away, I don't think he's in the part enough, but I almost think its in Araki's style of making group centered stories that makes it so the main character is only every a piece of the group and nit centre stage, which I think works well. I think about part 3 and 5 especially to this degree as both have their jojo not be in the spotlight as much to compensate for the unit. Jotaro and Giorno are usally in the background unless during key fights while characters like Joseph and Bruno are at the helm, with the same if not more motivation for the Jojo of the part. In short, I think Josuke's lack of screentime is just a symptom of the writing focusing on more than one player. Koichi is definitely as much a protagonist as Josuke and there's argument to say Rohan also becomes a main protagonist because of his focus and motivation post Kira introduction and is ther with Jotaro to do the heavy lifting. This all culminates during Bites The Dust, when Rohan is at the centre directly trying to find Kira, Josuke takes what he learned from Jotaro to fight Kira, and through Koichi's developed ability over the full part, only then is the stage set for Kira's demise. I think that for what was trying to be done he fufilled his role as a key character but he wasn't the sole main character
honestly, I'd prefer a story involving many characters as their own protagonists and not just one, I know Jotaro is the JOJO GOAT but he tends to carry the plot too much in parts 3, 4 and even 6. (except 5 , he only cameoed in it.) its a nice change of pace for a series so 'BIZARRE' (hehe, get it?) don't you think?
“No matter how careful you try to be or how successful you think you are, there will always be an ambulance to kill you” is gonna be my yearbook quote. Thank you for that
@@astralman and yet pucci lost everything by a very small mistake of """"""giving""""""" the disk to emporio, jojo has alot of bs (aka fate BS), literally, he was the one who had the most chance to win against Jolyne Crew
@@astralman I completely understand “fate” is the factor in a lot of the events that occur in jojo in general, but this is a hypothetical instance, where made in heaven is created, and the only real difference being that the part 4 gang is also there, what we’re saying is that the part 4 crew would be able to take out him easy in these circumstances. In the same way Emporio used pucci in sped up time to cripple him with weather report, it’s easy to say that the increased and multiplied speed of gravity toward MIH pucci would most likely be able to instantly take care of pucci, and if not, okuyasu would be able to finish the job, seeing as the only thing defending him would be his incredible speed, which happens to be crippling him in that very moment
I mean not everything. I think Josuke would be a perfect mentor for Jolyne IMO (due to being very similar) and I could see him diying against WS or something and giving Jolyne a good developmental ark.
I feel like most of the problems related to josuke are related to how part 4 is structured, he is not the only main character in his part, and while he does grow, his growth happens in the early chapters to make way for the other main characters. It's less about josuke being done dirty, and more about part 4 being really different compared to the other main universe parts.
Yeah Josuke main development happens in the first arc and ends with him promising to protect his town, then okuyasu’s development happens and he learns to be more independent then koichi’s development ends last with him gaining confidence in himself. Your right part 4 shares the main character spot with three characters.
True, it's kinda like how Jotaro was the leading Jojo for Stardust Crusaders, but his character arc was something that had mildly happened in other Parts more than Part 3 itself (the group dynamics, and some of Polneraff's character growth, took up more of the spotlight), and Jotaro doesn't really shine much directly until he's shown defeating another villain.
Honestly, Josuke getting so much development early on was awesome because Part 4 had the unfortunate task of carrying two Jojos in the same part and not have one of them be super old. In my experience this made Josuke a more enjoyable Jojo than his predecessor early on which helped make Part 4 easier to breeze through during the "weaker" half.
Part 4, it was a group effort to bring down Kira. Josuke had to work with Hiyato and Okuyasu to lure out Kira from the shadows so others could help apprehend him.
@@rKhael53 Wrong. Josuke, Jotaro, Koichi and Okuyasu literally all went to Kira's house after the identity change. Not to mention after that they were all fighting off Stand Users created by Yoshihiro Kira that were trying to kill the Morioh Warriors to stop them from investigating and finding Kira. Its just not shown on screen since it would be boring.
I love Josuke because he has the second most fun personality of the Jojos(behind his dad) and has by several miles the best MC stand. He comes off as a badass while also feeling like a teenager, something Jotaro and Giorno failed at.
I think people do forget that the fight with Kira was a team effort. Every major character contributed, weakening him one by one until the end. It just so happened that Jotaro dealt the final blow. I'm not defending this, but I think people do fixate a little too much on that aspect instead of the bigger picture. The main players in the city of Morioh coming together to defeat the major threat is thematically appropriate for the kind of story part 4 was going for and I do like it when the main character isn't the one to defeat the villain People also forget that, before part 6, it's usually not the main character in Jojo that gets the most development. Part 1 had very little development for any character except Speedwagon I guess... Part 2 had Caesar, it was Polnareff in 3, Rohan/Koichi in 4 and Part 5 focused more on character exploration (I haven't read parts 7 or 8 yet)
@@CyanideOwl He did. There's a fun inversion of plot armour in part 4. The villain is defined by how ungodly lucky he is. It makes sense that he meets his demise the one moment he got "unlucky"
I think the problem applies even more to Giorno, it's just highlighted by how much he's built up at the very start and then instantly fades once he joins passione. Very much on the side until the very end, and even then, spoiler Bruno and Polnereff play a much bigger role in the final battle until the very last moment
Tbh, Giorno is already a completed character tbh. The only time that he developed in the part, other than GER, is when he found out he can "heal" people. I think part 5 is basically just Araki showcasing Giorno and how he is the "day" that woke up the Sleeping Slaves by being the guy that kickstarted Bruno and Bucci Gang's motivation.
I think Giorno works well the way he is. Giorno is basically Jesus (son of god and fighting the devil), he starts off the story already at the end point of his character arc and only really only is there to guide his group to their future. That's why he plays support in most the fights and even if he isn't he still usually give important info or helps plan before the fight. Giorno isn't meant to be the same type of main character the other Jojo's are and leaves that role to the rest of his team (mainly Bruno, which is why he's my favorite character).
In regards to Josuke's hair thing going away after Rohan, I feel that's because the whole flashback was essentially a Cerebus Retcon-initially, the hair thing could tend to be a gag here and there early on, cause look at this bozo with his ridiculous pompadour, but once you really get into how and why he's so protective of his signature hairdo and why he flies off the handle when it's insulted, it can kinda be hard to see it made fun of. In regards to Yukako, I expect her to be in that redemption video since yeah, she practically got zilch in the grand scheme of things.
Main character spoiler for part 8 Who do you think would win a fight, Josuke or Josuke? Because Josuke is very creative with his ability. Especially with what he did at the end of his part. But Josuke is very creative with his ability. Especially with what he did at the end of his part.
You must also take into account on whether Kira could beat Kira, since Josuke had an advantage on Kira, and Kira might be able to go toe to toe with Kira, Josuke could adapt to Josuke’s attacks quickly.
Literally! Thank you for this man! Josuke deserved so much better and he's definitely my fave Joestar of all time, also RIP to the legend Billy Kametz, he really did amazing with Josuke's dub voice and he will be greatly missed
Josuke will always be one of my favourites, if not my favourite JoJo, from his dope personality, style and vibe, plus his stand power would be the one I want the most
I think the biggest issue is both Kira and Josuke are too passive as protagonists. While reactive protagonist is aren’t bad, the need a proactive force constantly or they tend to just chill. Goku for example is pretty reactive, but that’s fine because everyone wants to kill him. The issue with all of this is that Kira also just sits there. So you have the gang and Kira’s dad setting up all these plans and hunting the other down while our main two just kinda… sit there. It’s why I think the first half of part 4 is the better story for Josuke because Akira is actively hunting Josuke down and engaging with him
To me, the lack of focus on Josuke's character kinda ties into the whole underlying message of P4: it's not Josuke that fights the bad guy, but the entire town trying to get rid of the disease that is Yoshikage Kira. Josuke being a JoJo only name-wise and not mc-wise is a good way of showing that, too. It's also very in character for him to not be in the spotlight, since as a down to earth normal teenager all he really wants in life is yummy food and fun videogames. Not saying that was intentional, but it works perfectly in my book
Honestly i would think josuke after part 4 would go on as a doctor in morioh, helping those in need, while defending the town from trouble. In a way still being similar with kira as he would helping instead of killing. Plus getting to help out with koichi as a part of the speedwagon foundation too would be nice
Great video overall Kamen, per usual! Though from my own perspective, the main reason I personally don’t really agree with the whole “Josuke being overshadowed” thing (even if I can still understand and respect your perspective) is because DiU, for better or worse, is a vast departure from the more MC-centric parts in 1-3. Those stories basically revolved around the Joestars and their connection to Dio and the Phantom Mask, and so them being in the forefront made plenty of sense. But for part 4, while Josuke is the protagonist, he isn’t the main character. Instead, *everyone* is, because DiU focuses more on the community aspect and all the people who live in this crazy, noisy, bizarre town, instead of just a select group of people like in the other parts. This’s why we’ll have some episodes revolving around Koichi, Rohan and even Yukako instead of solely following Josuke’s perspective, since he isn’t the driving force of the story, but just one of its many major players. And even if this might make Josuke feel sidelined or underdeveloped as a result, I still feel like he gets enough screentime and focus to have his personality and character shine…like a diamond. So basically, part 4 has no single main character since it follows everyone in Morioh, as well as their goals, aspirations and relationship to eachother. It’s fine to dislike this aspect, sure, but I find it to be one of the many unique ways that part 4 sets itself apart from its predecessors. I also never really agreed with the perspective that Josuke didn’t defeat Kira simply due to not landing the final blow, since the last fight against him was meant to be a team effort. Josuke fought off Kira before anyone else arrived, and mortally wounded him to the point where he had to use Stray Cat to bail himself out. Then Okuyasu saves Josuke by using his stand to take away Stray Cat, and then once Kira was left with no other options, he resorted to using Bites the Dust to loop time and was stopped from doing so by Koichi and Jotaro. Who had already fought him off once before in the Sheer Heart Attack arc, and so it was building off of their teamwork already established earlier in the series. It’s similar to the ending of part 6, where even if Jolyne isn’t the one to defeat Pucci, both her and everyone else still worked towards defeating him until his inevitable demise. Again though, I can certainly see where you’re from, but just providing an alternate perspective from someone who’s read and watched part 4 extensively due to being one of my favorite Jojo parts. And always feel like it gets majorly misunderstood due to people trying to look at it from the lens of the other parts, rather than what Araki intended the part to be on its own terms.
I believe the reason why they didn't use Yuya sense of smell cause at that point in the story Rohan got a new lead on Kira's new identity and was going to investigate the next day.
Jotaro overshadowed bruh didn't watch pt3 Part 3 was about Stardust crusaders unlike other parts it was off 5 teams i would say everyone had their own screen time but the one who controlled the story in pt3 was jotaro Sure iggy,polnareff,kakyoin , joesph,avdol were there But they couldn't overshadow jotaro
Part 4 definitely decentralized it's JoJo for it's Slice of Life theme. It was definitely more focused on other characters. A Slice of Life lives and dies on its cast of characters. And Part 4 does have a good selection, I'll give it that. It's just unfortunate it came at the cost of Josuke's development.
Josuke isn’t the only one who feels like a side character in his own story. In part 3 Polnareff gets far more character development and is in more fights than Jotaro, similar with Bruno in part 5 who gets much more character development than Giorno.
Recently I finally read part 7 and almost finished part 8 and I think Josuke part 8 is my new favourite jojo due to his motivation, how connected he his to the overall plot and I love his stand I kind of agree with the point that it's kind of disappointing that josuke didn't hit the final blow on Kira but I think it doesn't hurt the story that much and I love the final battle anyway
You know, it is pretty weird that Josuke suffers from the same problem as Jotaro and Giorno in that he, most of the time, doesn't feel like the protagonist of his own story, considering that part 4 was more story-focused and had a smaller cast of characters than parts 3 and 5. Also, in regards to Josuke not defeating Kira, i think it could've been worse. Like, Kira could've accidentally erupted a volcano and got sent into space, or it migh've turned out that Josuke and Kira's stands are the same type, or character from another part might've come out of nothere and given Josuke a convenient mcguffin to defeat the final villain. And don't forget that not only Jolyne wasn't the one who defeated Pucci, she also never even had a chance to properly beat the shit out of him before dying along with her father, who she has spent the entire part 6 trying to save, and all of her friends. In that regard, Josuke definitely didn't get the worst deal.
Honestly? Koichi was the main character, and I think it’s better that way. That isn’t to say that Koichi is necessarily the _protagonist,_ just the main character. He’s not the main character of his own life, but rather others. I think this is really interesting, to be frank.
Okay this video is definitely interesting and it discusses an idea that I studied frequently which the media of Jojo’s part 4 and how unique it is to most media and even within the Jojo franchise which says a lot. I definitely disagree with the part the Josuke isn’t deep. He is simple but in my opinion he’s character actually carries a lot of thematic depth within the themes of exterior vs interior image, uniting communities the theme of healing bonds, relationships, conflict and connecting people to each other, the theme of genuineness and a punk with a gold diamond heart in general. That being said I think that Josuke barely being the protagonist is THE POINT, Meaning that Josuke and his character’s thematic messages are associated with him being a SUPPOT a healing hero more than being traditional hero and that’s I believe is his appeal. I think Araki managed to successfully get every message of the character Josuke told decently and never missed out on anything the character wants to tell necessarily. Btw he does have goal in protecting his people in Morioh which is interesting in this case. To me Josuke is one of the better examples of protagonists who are reactionary and don’t having a strict progression yet executed perfectly. He is sort of a way better Ichigo in a sense. I do agree with the fact that we might be left needing a bit more of him but I think part of that issue is solved by the manga “partially” meaning that the part 4 manga has a lot more content compared to the anime which means a lot more of Josuke. Now I still think we needed a bit more of Josuke inn terms of character arc and screentime and I also agree that there seems to be dropped character traits within him in a weird way which definitely distasteful. Anyhow great video and I agree with some of your points but I definitely think his utilization isn’t as bad as you presented although still not good either. Still he is the best JOJO imo.
Favorite JoJo, and yeah, I agree with a lot of this vid. I love part 4 since I'm such a sucker for small town/city mysteries with the supernatural or weird sprinkled in (especially when the three 3 act structure is used well). I've always wished we got to visit them again, and while Crazy Diamond's Demonic Heartbreak & JoJoLion, they were a Prequel and a different universe respectively. I would have loved a sequel set with the gang in maybe their college years, whether it be slice of life or a new threat, it be nice to see how the kid's with hearts of gold have grown.
I feel like all these criticisms of Josuke also apply to Okuyasu, another part 4 character i feel wasnt given enough to do. It really bugs me how he isnt the one to beat RHCP and he doesnt even have a real win while Koichi and Rohan have several. Especially since i personally HATE Koichi
Something else that should be mentioned is that, compared to the other Jojos in the first universe, Josuke is arguably the only Jojo who's life is more consistently grounded compared to the other Jojos, which is probably part of why there's not as much focus on him directly all the time. Unlike the other Jojos that have to be constantly on their toes to survive throughout their designated Parts, Jotaro lives life as a normal teenager that goes to school and deals with semi-normal teenage things. Yeah, he has to fight for his life against Red Hot Chili Pepper, some rats with Stands, and Yoshikage Kira, but outside of that one eventful summer that makes up Part 4, his life is the most laid-back slice-of-life levels of calm out of all the other Joestars in the first universe. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm currently watching part 4, since it returned to Netflix this month. I'm actually loving it and it's my second favorite part to part 3. I watch it with Swedish subtitles with the original Japanese audio and it keeps most of the original stand names, which I think it's really awesome.
Pucci: IM GOING TO ATAIN HEAVEN Josuke: hits window making it all come back together pulling the window frame puccis floating in back to the ground, or should i say, pulling it into a CRAZY BEATDOWN!!!*
When I watched Part 4 for the first time I immediately loved Jouske. He’s a stand up guy who’ll do anything to protect the ones he loves most, a goofy teenager as well. That’s also why I love Gentaro Kisaragi from Kamen Rider Fourze, two dudes who’d be amazing friends to have around
Here is one very interesting fact about Jojo part 4. The story of it had several things removed when the manga was being written, in fact proibbly of all parts aside from 6 it had the most messy development as stuff was changed or removed a LOT. One of these was deepening the dynamic of Josuke and Kira. Where it was going to be reavealed that Kira had an extremly abusive and negected childhood, where his father was away most of the time and his mother often abused him physically, resulting in his fixation on womens hands. As well as explaining why his father was so obessed with helping Kira and ignoring his serial killer nature. He could only see the child he wasn't there for when he looked at him and it was guilt that made him do as much as he did to try to help Kira. Josuke was suppoused to learn this and actually feel sorry for Kira and realize it's not enteirly his own fault he is the way he is, but still be resolved to stop him. This is just one example of stuff Araki changed/took out of part 4's original planned story. No doubt this helped contrubite to Josuke not being the protagonist he could of been as he simply didn't have all the scenes he could of.
I understand a lot of your points, Josuke definitely definitely feels like a secondary character by the end. But I think when I sit back and look at it he’s still my absolute favorite Jojo and part 4 is my favorite in the series. I think that the other Jojo’s are total badasses. Practicals larger than life heroes especially the first 3. But just like how Araki said Josuke feels like a big bro or a reliable upperclassman. Someone I don’t look up to in the sense that they’re larger than life but like someone I’d want to have as a best friend. To know they’ve got my back if something happens and that I’d be willing to return the favor for. I’d rather be one of the guys in the “Duwang” gang😂 then where I’d want to fantasize about being the hero like the other Jojos. Though l do wish it was say more of a team effort to beat Kira. Which is what I think they where going for when Jotaro takes in that breath imagining all the other teammates before he OraOras Kira into the ground. Also mad respect for the Billy Kametz tribute at the end. RIP you crazy diamond.
I disagree. Yukako is alright. Due to her character arc she mellowed out to the point where she's at least the least likely person Koichi knows to hurt him specifically. She also did the least to violate him of anyone he considers his friend. .-.
Initially I wasn't a huge fan of Josuke, but after my recent rewatch of DiU he grew on me more. Hugely enjoyable protagonist who gets great interactions with all the cast, and his theme is so good! Definitely the JoJo I'd want to be friends with irl
Great video and I can see where alot of your points are coming from, but personally I do not think he was underutilized at all. Josuke to me represented the best of Morioh: a flawed person, but overall with a heart of gold and I think that presence is felt throughout the entire part. Every important battle hinges on Josuke at some point even the first major confrontation of Kira one of the main sources of tension was if Josuke would get there in time and if he wasn't there Kira would of got away. I think his final fight with Kira shows it the best. Kira realizes in that fight that the main threat to his peace was not Jotaro, but Josuke. While Kira bided his time in isolation Josuke (while not investigating) did something equally as important which is gather allies defeat enemies, and well not amazing I think it shows well in the July 15th arc in which the entire team would of been eliminated if not for the help of some of the friends made in the town. Also I think getting the final blow for Kira does not matter, cause the most important person in the fight at the end of the day was still Josuke who did all the work and who beating Bites the Dust hinged on for being late. I do agree with your point about the fact that it is kind of unfortunate that Josuke does not push the plot forward unlike the rest, but I think he makes up for that fact due to him being the one dealing with the enemy stand users in the second half of the part except 2 Rohan fights. I think what really hurts Josuke weirdly enough is merely that portion of The Lock, Surface, and Love Love Deluxe. While Surface was Josuke focused Hazamada becoming buds with Koichi pushes that forgettable fight into leaning towards a Koichi fight in the mind so for alot of people they just experienced like 4 episodes of Koichi as the protagonist not even including the opening narration starting with him. I think if this was broken up better with the Pearl Jam happening before Love Deluxe this probably would of lessened that Koichi centric feel. Overall keep up the good work, your videos are pretty inspirational! 👍
Josuke as a character is perfect! In the peaceful town of Morioh, just your average hoodlum. Just like Kira is just your average office worker. Although both of them have their morals and are quite the opposite, what they do share in common is that they just want to live their lives in peace, even thought they are blesses with unnatural abilities. I honestly love the fact that Josuke isn't actively searching for the bad guy, instead the danger comes to him and while it isn't he just goofs around with his friends.
Aww man. What part 4 was really needed was more turtles. (That fear is not the same as a catch phrase or something more common that induces rage) I disagree heavily with this analysis, though it is interesting part 4 is not perfect but the small town feel is why Kira's defeat is perfect. Kira basically wins until a small town kid throws a wrench into his plans. The entire main cast contributes to defeating Kira, Josuke does the heavy lifting and exposes Kira in public. Okuyasu saves Josuke from the bubble, Koichi slows him and Jotaro gets a good hit on him too. All of those things (besides Hayato calling in Josuke) can only happen because of Josuke's direct involvement. You could argue that the town comes together to defeat him as the main cast, a random kid and an ambulance all attempt to put a stop to the murderer haunting the town. Could have been better executed perhaps but people get so hung up on Jotaro 'kill stealing from Josuke' when it didn't really matter as Josuke already physically defeated Kira and brought him into the light.
The problem with Josuke/Kira dynamic is that there is none. The character never actually "meet" until the final fight. The fact that kira appears vs shigechi, and the sheer heart attack arc is the first and only fight before he goes into hiding kills all pacing with his character. If there was a fight in between in which our characters meet and have a little confrontation, even if they pull the "they are doing something next to eachother without knowing who the other guy is" to atleast have a baseline interaction so that their opposing designs can work off eachother they could have a really fun dynamic. But since Kira went into hidding so early on, Kira's dad steals the spotlight that should had been Kira's showing off his character to the group, instead we get Kira showng off his character to randoms in the street and the Kawajiri family, and don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE daily life with the kawajiris, but Josuke is not a part of that, making Kira more of his own character but reducing Josuke's part in it.
Don't take this the wrong way,i dont mean any offense, but it honestly sounds like you had an image in your head of what you thought part 4 would/should be, and you're disappointed that it isn't that.
Agree with 100% everything. Also creator saying Josuke his favorite while he hardly wrote Josuke as the main character in his own story. Instead his favorite was koichi. Like Josuke stood against kira and fight him and got impaled... Jotaro while Josuke impaled/bleeding to death Jotaro: "I'm proud of you Koichi" 🤡 Like it's obvious who really is the favorite in diamond 4,. Watching it expecting to see more Josuke focus.. Instead it side characters none stop....Not surprised considering seeing people hate writing for part 6, when he nuked his favorite Josuke from the story.. 🤡 even Koichi and Rohan where seen more after diamond... Cleary Josuke was not the favorite. writing exposes that truth.
I've often joked that part 4 felt less like Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and more like Koichi's Unusual Escapades a lot of the time, but I'm starting to genuinely consider the validity of that statement as of late.
Josuke is my favorite JoJo because he’s funny, kind, determined, and a good guy. He makes mistakes but I can relate to his personality and how he treats most people pretty well. His power is to fix things not break them and I like that a lot. It shows he builds things up and heals. I also am glad he did not get the final hit on Kira. It’s a weird opinion but josuke never really killed. He focused on being more passive and I really like that he was merciful to those around him. I find it more endearing than a heartless killer. One of the things I don’t like about part 5 is all the unnecessary death. It doesn’t feel funny or good when they defeat the villains like in part 3 or 4. Instead it just feels terrible because the opponents suffer gruesome fates that in all actuality they might not even deserve. Like Ghiaccio was one of the koolest stand users and he wasn’t even that bad but he got brutalized.
13:50 I have an uncle who I think is once or twice removed (I only met him exactly once) around the same age as me but part of my mom's family came from Arkansas where the age of consent is 16 so...
The only Jojo who was done dirty is Giorno lmao. Josuke is my favorite JoJo BY FAR. He’s the best of Joseph and Jotaro. He’s goofy but also stoics at times. Plus he let other characters shine.
What'd you say about MY HAIR!? You have no right to talk with that tacky skull and generic Shonen Jump MC Hairdo. Mine though? Mine's got style and personality; Its a pretty boy Hairdo. Oh, and Josuke's got that to. I gotta respect the work that it must take to style and maintain it.
Josuke isn't my favorite but I think everything you've said against him actually works in his favor when you take into account the setting of Morioh that being the town itself is its own character and everything else even the superfluous aspects are to build itself up, even the characters treat it so with all the weird happenings and their descriptions of Morioh and Josuke represents MMorioh's heart, yeah hes passive, and in the search for Kira he didn't go out of his way to hunt for him, but he's always helped and supported EVERYONE (even the kanji of his name has support in it) Koichi, Jotaro, Hayato, even Rohan he's been pushing them up to win in the same way how it feels the town of Morioh is fighting alongside them, so that even if its not of Josuke's intention that only speaks more to how great of a support he is that he doesn't need to try to be one, he just is naturally. TL:DR: while Josuke isn't my favorite Jojo in the context of Morioh I believe he is the perfect protagonist for that setting
I'm fairly certain that Koichi was in a way intended to fell like the main character... it's likely the reason he was chosen to introduce Giorno in the 5th part... this makes me wonder if Josuke was treated this way on purpose... which is not a thought I want to think about since I to think that Josuke is my favorite JoJo... or atleast close to
I think it makes sense for Josuke to be "side lined" in this part, since it's in direct contrast to Kira. Kira thinks the world is all about himself, and that the world is his playground to do whatever he wants with and he only thinks about himself, while being a rather isolated person. Meanwhile, Joskue's stand can heal anyone, but himself since he puts others before himself and the stand reflects that, and unlike Kira who only thinks/acts on his own, Joskue always works best when he is part of a team.
I didn't agree with your point but you've brought up Ruby and I have to agree - if RWBY managed to give meaningful development to their main protagonist, Jojo should too
Honestly, in spite of all the legitimate criticism of Josuke and Part 4, and the flair and polish of other parts - Part 4 will always be my favorite part and Josuke will always be my favorite Jojo. And the reason why is simple: Part 4 was exactly what I was looking for in a concept like Jojo’s Bizzare Adventures. I was introduced to the series when I was 14 through memes on Skype, and thought that JBA was an urban fantasy similar to Persona - meaning that the cast spent most of their time within one-to-three towns/cities. When I actually watched Jojo from Part 1, I was confused yet intrigued. By the end of Part 3 I had the sense that JBA may not have been the show for me (at least at the time, I love the series now), but I was going to give it one more Part to win me over; and Part 4 did just that. And even though I still have to catch up (I’m still on Part 7 of the manga at the time of this comment) I would say that JBA is my favorite anime/manga series regardless of its flaws, inconsistencies, and ‘duwangs’.
@@thegamerator10 it was more to show off two comedic scenes where he takes the phone right before the person is supposed to say something important to the person they're in the call with
From Know Your Meme in 2019 I'm just curious… How come JoJo and RWBY are always the top trending image galleries all year round? Because one is Jojo, and the other has really good fanart…
Best part about DIU: mostly everything excluding shigechi Worst part of DIU: shigechi (and how overlooked josukes theme is compared to the other jojo's)
One thing I wish didn’t get dropped so quick is his grandfather’s death. It would’ve been a great motivation for Josuke to hunt down Kira as he would be protecting Morioh in Ryohei’s place. Saying Koichi is the real Jojo is crazy cap though, take that back.
"Be careful not insult people's hair while watching this video." Okay but you have to admit that Josuke's hair looks like a flattened tire. Also Koichi is like Jotaro's son. I like to see you do a part 3 on why you think Yukako is the worst choice for a gf.
I don't know if I agree that someone else getting the last hit on Kira is actually problem for Josuke 🤔 One of the biggest strengths for Josuke as a character is his ability to relate to others and get them on his side, he is one of the kindest and most relatable Jojos, which contrasts with Kira who operates entirely alone. So having a friend/ally get the final blow on Kira can be viewed as a part of that strength Josuke has that Kira lacks, and it makes the difference. Josuke held the brunt of the battle against Kira, but its always his friends stepping in for every major turning point in the fight - Be it Okuyasu, Koichi, or Jotaro. There's also an aspect of how his kindness makes solving a problem by killing it feel strange, especially when that's the villains main way of solving problems. Like with Superman snapping Zodds neck, yes it makes sense - And its satisfying to see the villain taken down for good - But it doesn't feel satisfying in a narrative way. Maybe we could have had someone else of Morioh get the last hit other than Jotaro, but I don't think I'd actually want it to be Josuke.
I never said Josuke had to kill Kira. You're conflating the 'final blow' with killing which is not the same thing. Even then, the final fight did have Josuke getting support from others before then, what is so wrong for Josuke to deliver and end the fight?
@@Mangakamen Apologies if the initial comment wasn't as clear as it could have been, but I meant them to be two separate points One being: "it isn't necessarily bad that he didn't get the final blow." And the second being: "It would be weird if he killed him." I understand that those are not the same thing, and that it was totally possible for Josuke to get the final blow and not kill him. After all, its not like Jotaros final blow is what killed him - The ambulance did that. (In fact, I think this is yet another reason the Ambulance is a smart way to finish Kira) _ _____ _ As far as what is wrong for Josuke to deliver and end the fight (with his own hands)....I would answer: Nothing. Nothing is wrong with that. Assuming its a situation that isn't Josuke killing - I would be down for it. My argument isn't that its bad for Josuke to deliver the final blow. My argument is that "Its not bad for him, as a character/protag, to allow an ally deliver the final blow." Both things can be true at the same time. _ _____ _ For the record, I agree with the sentiment that Josuke was underutilized as a protagonist - And agree with most of the points you made in the video. I just think that this particular criticism isn't the strongest one If they had taken a moment to flesh out the whole hair thing with the person who saved him, or did anything else surrounding his character, he'd prob be my favorite Jojo too. (Currently torn between Johnathan and Jolyne)
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Josuke will always be my favorite Jojo due to how much of a chill/friendly guy. Like Araki said he’s the kinda guy you’d wanna be friends with. I don’t mind the way Part 4 handled having several main characters bc it helped with the Town Setting but I can agree that letting Joarto get the last hit on Kira was kinda disappointing but He did have a great fight against Kira. Also Rip to the legend Billy Kametz for his Great voice As Josuke in the English Dub
Did you read part 7?
@@cesarcastillo7129 what does that have to do with it? Also yes i did, and i loved it
I think every Jojo is great in its own way, that’s why it’s so difficult for me to find a favorite in all those JoJos
I kinda like Jotaro hitting Kira last, Jotaros always the Hero type no matter where he is. Josukes a hero too but hes more of a bro while Jotaro literally hunts a dude across the globe. Him to get the final hit on Kira doesn't diminish Josuke's hype for me at all. Just another consequence of timestop.
I always forget Billy voiced Josuke in the dub seriously rest in piece to that legend
He's my favorite after Jolyne.
I like to argue how the Bites the Dust tussle is my favorite fight of the first 5 Parts of JoJo. Josuke interpolates just about everything he learned about Crazy D throughout Part 4 into that fight - right down to a panel from the manga version of the Transmission Tower arc, "I can't fix back this guy's (wet, slippery) blood that's already down here!" From that line we are led to potentially consider/infer, like, "huh...so, I wonder what else he can do with 'blood' after he got his own both on & in the shoulder of Kira?" which leads into his own dried-dead-blood-bending Crazy Diamond healing exploit for massive damage - which essentially won his portion of the fight (using the gun-firing power of Crazy D's flick - which he learned to do in the Ratt arc).
&, just as much, I find an even stronger case insofar as Hayato's mother, Shinobu, very-suddenly falling for Kira perhaps due to the Cinderella Stand's lingering effect it may have had on him. His good luck/fate really dictated those events for him, and while he thought Hayato did everything for him - he only further counteracted his luck by being a creepy kid maybe almost as much as Kira was a creepy dude.
I wouldn't say Hayato is as creepy as Kira cause Kira is just on a whole other level. If I could give a theory, I would say both Shinobu's infatuation and Hayato spying on them are Cinderella Stand's lingering effect since because of those trait from them that let the others to find Kira. Kinda like fate send him into the worst case scenario for someone to discover his true identity
A lot of what was found as an issue I found enjoyable because of the writing. This season feels relaxing at times and completely insane at others. It implements stands in everyday uses and regular human wants and uses the whole cast to do it. It has a Saturday morning cartoon vibe to it but is still current and engaging in episodes that don’t move the plot. It’s refreshing to see a jojo so happy go lucky yet still as compelling. I’m waiting for another season like this one!
I really is more on how you want your shows. I loved the slice of life take, I love seeing stand users with everyday lives and while many start out using it for bad learn how to use it in a postive way rather than focusing them on majority villains who die. It's nice getting to see most of the characters manage to live and not have a death crazy season for allies and minor antagonists while still keeping it overall compelling and having a very dark undertone with Kira-- managing to balance a much different genre of sorts with the standard jjba style. But if people like jjba for the horror, for the violence and direct action of good vs bad/moral vs immoral then people aren't going to enjoy it despite the writing and more unique take on what it means to live in this world with a stand.
DiU was amazing when I watched the anime and reading the manga made me love it even more.
"What'd you say about my hair!?" RIP Billy Kametz.
Alternate Video Title- Josuke- A JoJo DONE DIRT CHEAP...
I always found Part 4 to be Koichi's story, with Josuke being more like a catalyst than the classic JoJo hero.
my theory for why Josuke didn't have Fungami sniff out Kira's location was because Josuke didn't fully trust him even after the fight with Enigma. The guy had just become an ally & Rohan was already close to the solution, so why bother trusting the guy who made it clear he doesn't want to get into more danger. Either this or the idea of sniffing out Kira's location had never crossed either Josuke & Fungami's mind. Edit: A potential 3rd option is Josuke did ask Fungami to sniff out Kira, but he flat out refused because he already made it clear he wants no part in hunting a serial killer
Diavolo is still a pretty underrated villan
RIP Billy Kametz.
I sure hope that I’m spelling that right.
2:06 I actually have an aunt that is 4 years younger than me, my grandpa has that dawg in him
Watching part 4 I was getting increasingly annoyed at the amount of times that Jotaro’s the world was mentioned and not seen. Josuke is my favourite jojo and Okuyasu is my favourite jobro so I just had a lot of fun watching the action and the funny conversations.
I was more pleased than anything seeing Jotaro actually use his powers at the end, he was portrayed as smart and menacing but would often bumble around or be just around the corner.
The ending with Kira suits the part, where anything can happen, a slice of life story doesn’t need a main hero and I was just glad to see Jotaro get some action too
I can feel where you're coming from with being disappointed that he didn't get to take out the main villain, but honestly for me? A guy who lived to see the end of the original Adventure Time series where Finn did literally FUCK-ALL in the FINAL EPISODE of his OWN GODDAMN SHOW? Josuke still made a spectacular show of at least kicking Kira's ass for a bit up until Jotaro showed up. It really could have been SO MUCH WORSE...
Not the Yukako slander
I guess Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap made him dirty in a cheap price
0:20 Persona 4 infected the brain I see.
I think it's perfect that Kira doesn't die to Josuke, it's in character. Josuke would rather leave someone to rot in an object prison then face the idea of killing them.
I still find it interesting that Josuke has not killed an enemy except for the two rats that had the sniper stand when Jotaro took him to go hunting to practice ranged combat.
would also say the same with Jonathan in Eyes of Heaven game. People say he should be the one who has to finish Dio but it would really be out of character as he still cares so Jotaro being the main guy there fits
@@KrofisPlays Yeah he's the only JoJo who never kills a single person unless you wanna say Jonathan killing zombies doesn't count
@@quiteabizarreone6441 technically Johnathan have killed the dead that was brought back to life like tarkus the exception is jack the ripper but i dint concider jack a human in the first place.
I mean, technically he killed angelo? I mean yes he is still alive because he was turned in to a rock, but it is still probably a fate worse than death, that is unless you are Diavolo who is dying in a loop
Rest in peace Billy. You were our crazy Shining Diamond.
I watched the dub only because of his part, and it was worth it
hey idk if you care or not but there is a channel called, we.b and on it is a English cover of crazy noisy bizarre town with Billy singing it
Did josukes dub VA die?
@@goblinslayer1115 he died from cancer
@@blazingtrs6348 damn that’s terrible 😞, hope wherever he is now he’s happy
Josuke being underutilized when compared to previous JoJo’s felt more like a concession with Araki’s ever evolving writing. As you go through each part of JoJo numerically, you start to see the protagonists have less time in the spotlight than the one before them. That’s because they had to share it more with that part’s cast of characters. Part 4 felt like an experiment in this style.
Giorno fans: 🗿
I actually agree with like in part 5 mista and bruno out shined the hell out of giorno like if I'm being honest to me the only memorable things I got from giorno was the 7 page muda and ger and my brain kinda throws the rest out the window
@@epicnessoflegends Giorno is definitely meant to be more of a shining beacon/guide to Bucciarati’s group, as he plays a support role in most fights after joining
Agreed. Speedwagon was just Jonathan's cheerleader. Will Zeppeli taught Jonathan the basics of Hamon and died. Caesar and Lisa Lisa trained longer than Joseph in Hamon but couldn't defeat at least one Pillar Man each. Stardust Crusaders did a better job than Parts 1 and 2, but it still felt like Jotaro was the guy who carried the team most of the time.
What I like about Part 4 is that there was no great evil to defeat until the third act. It was everyday scenarios where people used their Stands in their lives to make them easier. While it's true that I wanted Josuke to be the one to off Kira or someone different from Jotaro, he doesn't live in Morioh, so it doesn't have a great impact on the Narrative of Part 4, I'm content with the ending.
@@mrmwm5446 i meant more that there was no mention of him after pt 5 when realistically the gang woulda gotten in contact with the speedwagon foundation or something because they had polnerev as a member
By far one of the most creative JoJo's in terms of how they use their abilities. Shine on you crazy diamond.
Idk I think jolyne did some pretty inventive stuff. But yeah when I first watched part 4 I was constantly in that phase of "oh that's neat". I remember my jaw dropping when he destroyed and rebuilt the motorcycle. Also the punching a hole into someone on the first episode was amazing.
Yeah, I was disappointed when Josuke(the one from Jojolion) barely used his unique power.(probably because it was too OP)
He was caught on the crosshair of childhood and stardom
I think Jolyne was more creative with her stand, Josuke is close second.
@@Axolotlian they said " one of "
When discussing Kira's actual death, you forgot to mention the fact that he wanted to stay unnoticed by the people around him, and ended up dying because the ambulance driver didn't notice him.
Yeah but I also kind of add a semi ironic thing the ambulance driver didn’t notice him but a lot of people still gathered around and noticed his death so I guess ironically he was both noticed and unnoticed at the same time
He basically did here 12:03
If you were to talk about Yukako Yamagishi's redemption, I do have a positive to say: She at least makes the change to put Koichi's wants and needs before her own, respects his space and boundaries, and doesn't force things. Before she was the total opposite. She realized what didn't work and made the conscious decision to change for the better. Now, I will agree that Koichi shouldn't have gotten with her because of what she did to him.
Koichi forgives everyone so it's fine
I don't mind that Yukako and Koichi hook up, but I hate the way they hook up. I remember when I first read the Cinderella arc, it came across like Yukako brainwashed Koichi into loving her and then... that was it.
@@TheAzulmagia It wasn't brainwash. The lipstick even wore off, it's to prove what Koichi had was genuine outside of Cinderella's "fate" shit.
Bro actually fixed her without even trying.
@@nuibaba280 yeah, but the thing is that episode doesn't elaborate on WHY he loves her after all. from our perspective, she traumised koichi, tried to brainwash him, and now he loves her. there's no reason why he would, and while I do love their relationship from that point on, I have to admit that it's beginning felt undercooked.
I wish Josuke had a cameo with Koishi in Golden Wind, it’s a shame we never saw him again after Part 4.
Agreed
Its kinda weird we never see that passione connected with the speedwagon foundation or something since polnerev was probably with them up to the events of stone ocean. I guess they never connected after giorno became a mob boss 🤷♂️
@@Nothisndhdudjdjdj I don't think the Speedwagon foundation would negotiate with criminals
@@Nothisndhdudjdjdj Purple Haze Feedback is sort of a thing...
@@zoefarr2600 non cannon not by araki, havent read it yet but will eventually
I definitely see why this is a valid take away, I don't think he's in the part enough, but I almost think its in Araki's style of making group centered stories that makes it so the main character is only every a piece of the group and nit centre stage, which I think works well. I think about part 3 and 5 especially to this degree as both have their jojo not be in the spotlight as much to compensate for the unit. Jotaro and Giorno are usally in the background unless during key fights while characters like Joseph and Bruno are at the helm, with the same if not more motivation for the Jojo of the part.
In short, I think Josuke's lack of screentime is just a symptom of the writing focusing on more than one player. Koichi is definitely as much a protagonist as Josuke and there's argument to say Rohan also becomes a main protagonist because of his focus and motivation post Kira introduction and is ther with Jotaro to do the heavy lifting. This all culminates during Bites The Dust, when Rohan is at the centre directly trying to find Kira, Josuke takes what he learned from Jotaro to fight Kira, and through Koichi's developed ability over the full part, only then is the stage set for Kira's demise. I think that for what was trying to be done he fufilled his role as a key character but he wasn't the sole main character
honestly, I'd prefer a story involving many characters as their own protagonists and not just one, I know Jotaro is the JOJO GOAT but he tends to carry the plot too much in parts 3, 4 and even 6. (except 5 , he only cameoed in it.) its a nice change of pace for a series so 'BIZARRE' (hehe, get it?) don't you think?
“No matter how careful you try to be or how successful you think you are, there will always be an ambulance to kill you” is gonna be my yearbook quote. Thank you for that
I actually know one girl who was hit by an ambulance, so they immediately drove her to the hospital afterward lol (she is completely fine)
We all know if Josuke and crew were in Part 6, they would've fixed everything.
Pucci’s face when koichi gravity pulls him down and okuyasu utterly destroys him
@@astralman and yet pucci lost everything by a very small mistake of """"""giving""""""" the disk to emporio, jojo has alot of bs (aka fate BS), literally, he was the one who had the most chance to win against Jolyne Crew
If josuke and crew were in part 6 it would just be more deaths added to the list
@@astralman I completely understand “fate” is the factor in a lot of the events that occur in jojo in general, but this is a hypothetical instance, where made in heaven is created, and the only real difference being that the part 4 gang is also there, what we’re saying is that the part 4 crew would be able to take out him easy in these circumstances.
In the same way Emporio used pucci in sped up time to cripple him with weather report, it’s easy to say that the increased and multiplied speed of gravity toward MIH pucci would most likely be able to instantly take care of pucci, and if not, okuyasu would be able to finish the job, seeing as the only thing defending him would be his incredible speed, which happens to be crippling him in that very moment
I mean not everything. I think Josuke would be a perfect mentor for Jolyne IMO (due to being very similar) and I could see him diying against WS or something and giving Jolyne a good developmental ark.
I feel like most of the problems related to josuke are related to how part 4 is structured, he is not the only main character in his part, and while he does grow, his growth happens in the early chapters to make way for the other main characters.
It's less about josuke being done dirty, and more about part 4 being really different compared to the other main universe parts.
Yeah Josuke main development happens in the first arc and ends with him promising to protect his town, then okuyasu’s development happens and he learns to be more independent then koichi’s development ends last with him gaining confidence in himself. Your right part 4 shares the main character spot with three characters.
True, it's kinda like how Jotaro was the leading Jojo for Stardust Crusaders, but his character arc was something that had mildly happened in other Parts more than Part 3 itself (the group dynamics, and some of Polneraff's character growth, took up more of the spotlight), and Jotaro doesn't really shine much directly until he's shown defeating another villain.
Honestly, Josuke getting so much development early on was awesome because Part 4 had the unfortunate task of carrying two Jojos in the same part and not have one of them be super old.
In my experience this made Josuke a more enjoyable Jojo than his predecessor early on which helped make Part 4 easier to breeze through during the "weaker" half.
Part 4, it was a group effort to bring down Kira. Josuke had to work with Hiyato and Okuyasu to lure out Kira from the shadows so others could help apprehend him.
My ass. Rohan was the only one doing the investigation job, while the others just chilling 24/7.
@@rKhael53 facts
Hayato and Rohan were the only ones actively hunting down Kira
@@rKhael53 Wrong. Josuke, Jotaro, Koichi and Okuyasu literally all went to Kira's house after the identity change. Not to mention after that they were all fighting off Stand Users created by Yoshihiro Kira that were trying to kill the Morioh Warriors to stop them from investigating and finding Kira. Its just not shown on screen since it would be boring.
I love Josuke because he has the second most fun personality of the Jojos(behind his dad) and has by several miles the best MC stand. He comes off as a badass while also feeling like a teenager, something Jotaro and Giorno failed at.
the problem if you ask me is:
too much koichi
not enough josuke
Pretty much
cus its koichis pov
It's enough koichi
I think people do forget that the fight with Kira was a team effort. Every major character contributed, weakening him one by one until the end. It just so happened that Jotaro dealt the final blow. I'm not defending this, but I think people do fixate a little too much on that aspect instead of the bigger picture. The main players in the city of Morioh coming together to defeat the major threat is thematically appropriate for the kind of story part 4 was going for and I do like it when the main character isn't the one to defeat the villain
People also forget that, before part 6, it's usually not the main character in Jojo that gets the most development. Part 1 had very little development for any character except Speedwagon I guess... Part 2 had Caesar, it was Polnareff in 3, Rohan/Koichi in 4 and Part 5 focused more on character exploration (I haven't read parts 7 or 8 yet)
I always saw that the town was the main character and Josuke was the anchor that brought them together
@@planktonwithwater2886 Same here
He got defeated by ambulance.
@@CyanideOwl He did. There's a fun inversion of plot armour in part 4. The villain is defined by how ungodly lucky he is. It makes sense that he meets his demise the one moment he got "unlucky"
Sadly Jonathan’s development is mostly cut from the anime even though it wasn’t a lot of scenes.
I think the problem applies even more to Giorno, it's just highlighted by how much he's built up at the very start and then instantly fades once he joins passione. Very much on the side until the very end, and even then, spoiler
Bruno and Polnereff play a much bigger role in the final battle until the very last moment
I think Giorno is fine in part 5. Its meant to be a gang vs gang type plot. And Giorno has a supporting role type of stand for the most part.
Tbh, Giorno is already a completed character tbh. The only time that he developed in the part, other than GER, is when he found out he can "heal" people. I think part 5 is basically just Araki showcasing Giorno and how he is the "day" that woke up the Sleeping Slaves by being the guy that kickstarted Bruno and Bucci Gang's motivation.
Bruno was the true main character of Part 5 😂
I think Giorno works well the way he is. Giorno is basically Jesus (son of god and fighting the devil), he starts off the story already at the end point of his character arc and only really only is there to guide his group to their future. That's why he plays support in most the fights and even if he isn't he still usually give important info or helps plan before the fight. Giorno isn't meant to be the same type of main character the other Jojo's are and leaves that role to the rest of his team (mainly Bruno, which is why he's my favorite character).
giorno is carried by his design, badassery, and concept
In regards to Josuke's hair thing going away after Rohan, I feel that's because the whole flashback was essentially a Cerebus Retcon-initially, the hair thing could tend to be a gag here and there early on, cause look at this bozo with his ridiculous pompadour, but once you really get into how and why he's so protective of his signature hairdo and why he flies off the handle when it's insulted, it can kinda be hard to see it made fun of.
In regards to Yukako, I expect her to be in that redemption video since yeah, she practically got zilch in the grand scheme of things.
I swear Araki said this was the case in an interview but I’m not 100% sure
Main character spoiler for part 8
Who do you think would win a fight, Josuke or Josuke? Because Josuke is very creative with his ability. Especially with what he did at the end of his part. But Josuke is very creative with his ability. Especially with what he did at the end of his part.
You must also take into account on whether Kira could beat Kira, since Josuke had an advantage on Kira, and Kira might be able to go toe to toe with Kira, Josuke could adapt to Josuke’s attacks quickly.
Part 8 smashes
Josuke 8 would definitely win
you can't just expect anyone to survive the Go beyond though
@@duykhangtran4406 get Josuke 4 close enough and go beyond will be harder to aim when Gappy is trying to avoid Crazy Diamond
Literally! Thank you for this man! Josuke deserved so much better and he's definitely my fave Joestar of all time, also RIP to the legend Billy Kametz, he really did amazing with Josuke's dub voice and he will be greatly missed
Oh my god, that Billy Kametz tribute...
Rest in piece Billy. We will never forget you.
Interesting video btw. I loved it.
Stage 4 colon cancer is awful.
I’d say Morioh as a whole is the main character and each member of the cast, their life and experiences is an important part of it.
RIP Billy Kametz, the Josuke in English.
Josuke will always be one of my favourites, if not my favourite JoJo, from his dope personality, style and vibe, plus his stand power would be the one I want the most
I think the biggest issue is both Kira and Josuke are too passive as protagonists. While reactive protagonist is aren’t bad, the need a proactive force constantly or they tend to just chill. Goku for example is pretty reactive, but that’s fine because everyone wants to kill him. The issue with all of this is that Kira also just sits there. So you have the gang and Kira’s dad setting up all these plans and hunting the other down while our main two just kinda… sit there. It’s why I think the first half of part 4 is the better story for Josuke because Akira is actively hunting Josuke down and engaging with him
To me, the lack of focus on Josuke's character kinda ties into the whole underlying message of P4: it's not Josuke that fights the bad guy, but the entire town trying to get rid of the disease that is Yoshikage Kira. Josuke being a JoJo only name-wise and not mc-wise is a good way of showing that, too. It's also very in character for him to not be in the spotlight, since as a down to earth normal teenager all he really wants in life is yummy food and fun videogames. Not saying that was intentional, but it works perfectly in my book
Josuke was always my favorite jojo out of them all, you can't help but root for him. Rest in peace Billy and shine on you crazy diamond
Honestly i would think josuke after part 4 would go on as a doctor in morioh, helping those in need, while defending the town from trouble. In a way still being similar with kira as he would helping instead of killing. Plus getting to help out with koichi as a part of the speedwagon foundation too would be nice
I feel like Josuke would become a police officer.
I will forever miss Billy.
May he rest in peace.
Great video overall Kamen, per usual! Though from my own perspective, the main reason I personally don’t really agree with the whole “Josuke being overshadowed” thing (even if I can still understand and respect your perspective) is because DiU, for better or worse, is a vast departure from the more MC-centric parts in 1-3. Those stories basically revolved around the Joestars and their connection to Dio and the Phantom Mask, and so them being in the forefront made plenty of sense. But for part 4, while Josuke is the protagonist, he isn’t the main character. Instead, *everyone* is, because DiU focuses more on the community aspect and all the people who live in this crazy, noisy, bizarre town, instead of just a select group of people like in the other parts. This’s why we’ll have some episodes revolving around Koichi, Rohan and even Yukako instead of solely following Josuke’s perspective, since he isn’t the driving force of the story, but just one of its many major players. And even if this might make Josuke feel sidelined or underdeveloped as a result, I still feel like he gets enough screentime and focus to have his personality and character shine…like a diamond. So basically, part 4 has no single main character since it follows everyone in Morioh, as well as their goals, aspirations and relationship to eachother. It’s fine to dislike this aspect, sure, but I find it to be one of the many unique ways that part 4 sets itself apart from its predecessors.
I also never really agreed with the perspective that Josuke didn’t defeat Kira simply due to not landing the final blow, since the last fight against him was meant to be a team effort. Josuke fought off Kira before anyone else arrived, and mortally wounded him to the point where he had to use Stray Cat to bail himself out. Then Okuyasu saves Josuke by using his stand to take away Stray Cat, and then once Kira was left with no other options, he resorted to using Bites the Dust to loop time and was stopped from doing so by Koichi and Jotaro. Who had already fought him off once before in the Sheer Heart Attack arc, and so it was building off of their teamwork already established earlier in the series. It’s similar to the ending of part 6, where even if Jolyne isn’t the one to defeat Pucci, both her and everyone else still worked towards defeating him until his inevitable demise.
Again though, I can certainly see where you’re from, but just providing an alternate perspective from someone who’s read and watched part 4 extensively due to being one of my favorite Jojo parts. And always feel like it gets majorly misunderstood due to people trying to look at it from the lens of the other parts, rather than what Araki intended the part to be on its own terms.
I believe the reason why they didn't use Yuya sense of smell cause at that point in the story Rohan got a new lead on Kira's new identity and was going to investigate the next day.
I always thought Jotaro and Giorno suffered from being overshadowed infinitely more than Josuke ever did.
Jotaro overshadowed bruh didn't watch pt3
Part 3 was about Stardust crusaders unlike other parts it was off 5 teams i would say everyone had their own screen time but the one who controlled the story in pt3 was jotaro
Sure iggy,polnareff,kakyoin , joesph,avdol were there
But they couldn't overshadow jotaro
giorno was def overshadowed lol, jotaro literally handled part 3, literally soloed lmaooo
Part 3 is just Jotaro going to Egypt and kicking everybody ass.
R.i.p to the man behind the voice
Billy you were a goat
Thank you for the wonderful tribute to Billy at the end ❤
Billy was a cool va, My favorite roles of his were Josuke (of course) and Dr. Maruki
Part 4 definitely decentralized it's JoJo for it's Slice of Life theme. It was definitely more focused on other characters. A Slice of Life lives and dies on its cast of characters. And Part 4 does have a good selection, I'll give it that. It's just unfortunate it came at the cost of Josuke's development.
Josuke isn’t the only one who feels like a side character in his own story. In part 3 Polnareff gets far more character development and is in more fights than Jotaro, similar with Bruno in part 5 who gets much more character development than Giorno.
Recently I finally read part 7 and almost finished part 8 and I think Josuke part 8 is my new favourite jojo due to his motivation, how connected he his to the overall plot and I love his stand I kind of agree with the point that it's kind of disappointing that josuke didn't hit the final blow on Kira but I think it doesn't hurt the story that much and I love the final battle anyway
Josuke 8 definitely one of my favorites also
He became less odd after a while, i miss how unhinged level of weird josuke was at the start. Curious how ur gonna feel about the ending of it tho
You know, it is pretty weird that Josuke suffers from the same problem as Jotaro and Giorno in that he, most of the time, doesn't feel like the protagonist of his own story, considering that part 4 was more story-focused and had a smaller cast of characters than parts 3 and 5.
Also, in regards to Josuke not defeating Kira, i think it could've been worse. Like, Kira could've accidentally erupted a volcano and got sent into space, or it migh've turned out that Josuke and Kira's stands are the same type, or character from another part might've come out of nothere and given Josuke a convenient mcguffin to defeat the final villain. And don't forget that not only Jolyne wasn't the one who defeated Pucci, she also never even had a chance to properly beat the shit out of him before dying along with her father, who she has spent the entire part 6 trying to save, and all of her friends. In that regard, Josuke definitely didn't get the worst deal.
Honestly? Koichi was the main character, and I think it’s better that way. That isn’t to say that Koichi is necessarily the _protagonist,_ just the main character. He’s not the main character of his own life, but rather others. I think this is really interesting, to be frank.
I'm not sure you even know what Araki was doing with Josuke in the first place.
Okay this video is definitely interesting and it discusses an idea that I studied frequently which the media of Jojo’s part 4 and how unique it is to most media and even within the Jojo franchise which says a lot. I definitely disagree with the part the Josuke isn’t deep. He is simple but in my opinion he’s character actually carries a lot of thematic depth within the themes of exterior vs interior image, uniting communities the theme of healing bonds, relationships, conflict and connecting people to each other, the theme of genuineness and a punk with a gold diamond heart in general. That being said I think that Josuke barely being the protagonist is THE POINT, Meaning that Josuke and his character’s thematic messages are associated with him being a SUPPOT a healing hero more than being traditional hero and that’s I believe is his appeal. I think Araki managed to successfully get every message of the character Josuke told decently and never missed out on anything the character wants to tell necessarily. Btw he does have goal in protecting his people in Morioh which is interesting in this case. To me Josuke is one of the better examples of protagonists who are reactionary and don’t having a strict progression yet executed perfectly. He is sort of a way better Ichigo in a sense. I do agree with the fact that we might be left needing a bit more of him but I think part of that issue is solved by the manga “partially” meaning that the part 4 manga has a lot more content compared to the anime which means a lot more of Josuke. Now I still think we needed a bit more of Josuke inn terms of character arc and screentime and I also agree that there seems to be dropped character traits within him in a weird way which definitely distasteful. Anyhow great video and I agree with some of your points but I definitely think his utilization isn’t as bad as you presented although still not good either. Still he is the best JOJO imo.
Favorite JoJo, and yeah, I agree with a lot of this vid. I love part 4 since I'm such a sucker for small town/city mysteries with the supernatural or weird sprinkled in (especially when the three 3 act structure is used well). I've always wished we got to visit them again, and while Crazy Diamond's Demonic Heartbreak & JoJoLion, they were a Prequel and a different universe respectively. I would have loved a sequel set with the gang in maybe their college years, whether it be slice of life or a new threat, it be nice to see how the kid's with hearts of gold have grown.
JOSUKE is my favorite jojo, no smoke to joseph but man Josuke is just great.
Rip Billy. English Josuke.
I feel like all these criticisms of Josuke also apply to Okuyasu, another part 4 character i feel wasnt given enough to do. It really bugs me how he isnt the one to beat RHCP and he doesnt even have a real win while Koichi and Rohan have several. Especially since i personally HATE Koichi
Something else that should be mentioned is that, compared to the other Jojos in the first universe, Josuke is arguably the only Jojo who's life is more consistently grounded compared to the other Jojos, which is probably part of why there's not as much focus on him directly all the time. Unlike the other Jojos that have to be constantly on their toes to survive throughout their designated Parts, Jotaro lives life as a normal teenager that goes to school and deals with semi-normal teenage things. Yeah, he has to fight for his life against Red Hot Chili Pepper, some rats with Stands, and Yoshikage Kira, but outside of that one eventful summer that makes up Part 4, his life is the most laid-back slice-of-life levels of calm out of all the other Joestars in the first universe. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm currently watching part 4, since it returned to Netflix this month.
I'm actually loving it and it's my second favorite part to part 3.
I watch it with Swedish subtitles with the original Japanese audio and it keeps most of the original stand names, which I think it's really awesome.
The tribute to billy kametz at the end was really sweet. Hoping to see more jojo stuff!
Pucci: IM GOING TO ATAIN HEAVEN
Josuke: hits window making it all come back together pulling the window frame puccis floating in back to the ground, or should i say, pulling it into a CRAZY BEATDOWN!!!*
When I watched Part 4 for the first time I immediately loved Jouske. He’s a stand up guy who’ll do anything to protect the ones he loves most, a goofy teenager as well. That’s also why I love Gentaro Kisaragi from Kamen Rider Fourze, two dudes who’d be amazing friends to have around
Here is one very interesting fact about Jojo part 4. The story of it had several things removed when the manga was being written, in fact proibbly of all parts aside from 6 it had the most messy development as stuff was changed or removed a LOT. One of these was deepening the dynamic of Josuke and Kira. Where it was going to be reavealed that Kira had an extremly abusive and negected childhood, where his father was away most of the time and his mother often abused him physically, resulting in his fixation on womens hands.
As well as explaining why his father was so obessed with helping Kira and ignoring his serial killer nature. He could only see the child he wasn't there for when he looked at him and it was guilt that made him do as much as he did to try to help Kira.
Josuke was suppoused to learn this and actually feel sorry for Kira and realize it's not enteirly his own fault he is the way he is, but still be resolved to stop him. This is just one example of stuff Araki changed/took out of part 4's original planned story.
No doubt this helped contrubite to Josuke not being the protagonist he could of been as he simply didn't have all the scenes he could of.
Josuke always has been and always will be my favorite JoJo.
I understand a lot of your points, Josuke definitely definitely feels like a secondary character by the end. But I think when I sit back and look at it he’s still my absolute favorite Jojo and part 4 is my favorite in the series.
I think that the other Jojo’s are total badasses. Practicals larger than life heroes especially the first 3. But just like how Araki said Josuke feels like a big bro or a reliable upperclassman. Someone I don’t look up to in the sense that they’re larger than life but like someone I’d want to have as a best friend. To know they’ve got my back if something happens and that I’d be willing to return the favor for. I’d rather be one of the guys in the “Duwang” gang😂 then where I’d want to fantasize about being the hero like the other Jojos.
Though l do wish it was say more of a team effort to beat Kira. Which is what I think they where going for when Jotaro takes in that breath imagining all the other teammates before he OraOras Kira into the ground.
Also mad respect for the Billy Kametz tribute at the end. RIP you crazy diamond.
I disagree. Yukako is alright. Due to her character arc she mellowed out to the point where she's at least the least likely person Koichi knows to hurt him specifically. She also did the least to violate him of anyone he considers his friend. .-.
Initially I wasn't a huge fan of Josuke, but after my recent rewatch of DiU he grew on me more. Hugely enjoyable protagonist who gets great interactions with all the cast, and his theme is so good! Definitely the JoJo I'd want to be friends with irl
Great video and I can see where alot of your points are coming from, but personally I do not think he was underutilized at all. Josuke to me represented the best of Morioh: a flawed person, but overall with a heart of gold and I think that presence is felt throughout the entire part. Every important battle hinges on Josuke at some point even the first major confrontation of Kira one of the main sources of tension was if Josuke would get there in time and if he wasn't there Kira would of got away. I think his final fight with Kira shows it the best. Kira realizes in that fight that the main threat to his peace was not Jotaro, but Josuke. While Kira bided his time in isolation Josuke (while not investigating) did something equally as important which is gather allies defeat enemies, and well not amazing I think it shows well in the July 15th arc in which the entire team would of been eliminated if not for the help of some of the friends made in the town. Also I think getting the final blow for Kira does not matter, cause the most important person in the fight at the end of the day was still Josuke who did all the work and who beating Bites the Dust hinged on for being late.
I do agree with your point about the fact that it is kind of unfortunate that Josuke does not push the plot forward unlike the rest, but I think he makes up for that fact due to him being the one dealing with the enemy stand users in the second half of the part except 2 Rohan fights. I think what really hurts Josuke weirdly enough is merely that portion of The Lock, Surface, and Love Love Deluxe. While Surface was Josuke focused Hazamada becoming buds with Koichi pushes that forgettable fight into leaning towards a Koichi fight in the mind so for alot of people they just experienced like 4 episodes of Koichi as the protagonist not even including the opening narration starting with him. I think if this was broken up better with the Pearl Jam happening before Love Deluxe this probably would of lessened that Koichi centric feel.
Overall keep up the good work, your videos are pretty inspirational! 👍
Josuke as a character is perfect! In the peaceful town of Morioh, just your average hoodlum. Just like Kira is just your average office worker. Although both of them have their morals and are quite the opposite, what they do share in common is that they just want to live their lives in peace, even thought they are blesses with unnatural abilities. I honestly love the fact that Josuke isn't actively searching for the bad guy, instead the danger comes to him and while it isn't he just goofs around with his friends.
Ah yes, yosuke higashikata
(Every persona fan rn: 🙀)
Aww man. What part 4 was really needed was more turtles. (That fear is not the same as a catch phrase or something more common that induces rage)
I disagree heavily with this analysis, though it is interesting part 4 is not perfect but the small town feel is why Kira's defeat is perfect. Kira basically wins until a small town kid throws a wrench into his plans. The entire main cast contributes to defeating Kira, Josuke does the heavy lifting and exposes Kira in public. Okuyasu saves Josuke from the bubble, Koichi slows him and Jotaro gets a good hit on him too. All of those things (besides Hayato calling in Josuke) can only happen because of Josuke's direct involvement. You could argue that the town comes together to defeat him as the main cast, a random kid and an ambulance all attempt to put a stop to the murderer haunting the town.
Could have been better executed perhaps but people get so hung up on Jotaro 'kill stealing from Josuke' when it didn't really matter as Josuke already physically defeated Kira and brought him into the light.
if josuke was done dirty...
then johnny was done dirty deeds done dirt cheap
Josuke and Giorno feel like friends
The problem with Josuke/Kira dynamic is that there is none. The character never actually "meet" until the final fight. The fact that kira appears vs shigechi, and the sheer heart attack arc is the first and only fight before he goes into hiding kills all pacing with his character. If there was a fight in between in which our characters meet and have a little confrontation, even if they pull the "they are doing something next to eachother without knowing who the other guy is" to atleast have a baseline interaction so that their opposing designs can work off eachother they could have a really fun dynamic. But since Kira went into hidding so early on, Kira's dad steals the spotlight that should had been Kira's showing off his character to the group, instead we get Kira showng off his character to randoms in the street and the Kawajiri family, and don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE daily life with the kawajiris, but Josuke is not a part of that, making Kira more of his own character but reducing Josuke's part in it.
Don't take this the wrong way,i dont mean any offense, but it honestly sounds like you had an image in your head of what you thought part 4 would/should be, and you're disappointed that it isn't that.
Cept I didn't.
I liked part 4, and it really is offensive that you said that.
Agree with 100% everything. Also creator saying Josuke his favorite while he hardly wrote Josuke as the main character in his own story. Instead his favorite was koichi. Like Josuke stood against kira and fight him and got impaled... Jotaro while Josuke impaled/bleeding to death Jotaro: "I'm proud of you Koichi" 🤡 Like it's obvious who really is the favorite in diamond 4,. Watching it expecting to see more Josuke focus.. Instead it side characters none stop....Not surprised considering seeing people hate writing for part 6, when he nuked his favorite Josuke from the story.. 🤡 even Koichi and Rohan where seen more after diamond... Cleary Josuke was not the favorite. writing exposes that truth.
I've often joked that part 4 felt less like Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and more like Koichi's Unusual Escapades a lot of the time, but I'm starting to genuinely consider the validity of that statement as of late.
4:09 or wasn’t that pincushion on your head in fashion like- *gets the absolute shit beaten out of him*
God i love dub rohan
Josuke is my favorite JoJo because he’s funny, kind, determined, and a good guy. He makes mistakes but I can relate to his personality and how he treats most people pretty well. His power is to fix things not break them and I like that a lot. It shows he builds things up and heals. I also am glad he did not get the final hit on Kira. It’s a weird opinion but josuke never really killed. He focused on being more passive and I really like that he was merciful to those around him. I find it more endearing than a heartless killer. One of the things I don’t like about part 5 is all the unnecessary death. It doesn’t feel funny or good when they defeat the villains like in part 3 or 4. Instead it just feels terrible because the opponents suffer gruesome fates that in all actuality they might not even deserve. Like Ghiaccio was one of the koolest stand users and he wasn’t even that bad but he got brutalized.
13:50 I have an uncle who I think is once or twice removed (I only met him exactly once) around the same age as me but part of my mom's family came from Arkansas where the age of consent is 16 so...
rest in peace billy u was a great voice actor and game actor :)
The only Jojo who was done dirty is Giorno lmao.
Josuke is my favorite JoJo BY FAR. He’s the best of Joseph and Jotaro. He’s goofy but also stoics at times. Plus he let other characters shine.
19:06 I forgot if I asked this before I'm curious to know if you think Yugioh Sevens did the whole ensemble cast thing better.
What'd you say about MY HAIR!? You have no right to talk with that tacky skull and generic Shonen Jump MC Hairdo. Mine though? Mine's got style and personality; Its a pretty boy Hairdo. Oh, and Josuke's got that to. I gotta respect the work that it must take to style and maintain it.
Josuke isn't my favorite but I think everything you've said against him actually works in his favor when you take into account the setting of Morioh that being the town itself is its own character and everything else even the superfluous aspects are to build itself up, even the characters treat it so with all the weird happenings and their descriptions of Morioh and Josuke represents MMorioh's heart, yeah hes passive, and in the search for Kira he didn't go out of his way to hunt for him, but he's always helped and supported EVERYONE (even the kanji of his name has support in it) Koichi, Jotaro, Hayato, even Rohan he's been pushing them up to win in the same way how it feels the town of Morioh is fighting alongside them, so that even if its not of Josuke's intention that only speaks more to how great of a support he is that he doesn't need to try to be one, he just is naturally.
TL:DR: while Josuke isn't my favorite Jojo in the context of Morioh I believe he is the perfect protagonist for that setting
I'm fairly certain that Koichi was in a way intended to fell like the main character... it's likely the reason he was chosen to introduce Giorno in the 5th part... this makes me wonder if Josuke was treated this way on purpose... which is not a thought I want to think about since I to think that Josuke is my favorite JoJo... or atleast close to
I think it makes sense for Josuke to be "side lined" in this part, since it's in direct contrast to Kira.
Kira thinks the world is all about himself, and that the world is his playground to do whatever he wants with and he only thinks about himself, while being a rather isolated person.
Meanwhile, Joskue's stand can heal anyone, but himself since he puts others before himself and the stand reflects that, and unlike Kira who only thinks/acts on his own, Joskue always works best when he is part of a team.
I didn't agree with your point but you've brought up Ruby and I have to agree - if RWBY managed to give meaningful development to their main protagonist, Jojo should too
Honestly, in spite of all the legitimate criticism of Josuke and Part 4, and the flair and polish of other parts - Part 4 will always be my favorite part and Josuke will always be my favorite Jojo. And the reason why is simple:
Part 4 was exactly what I was looking for in a concept like Jojo’s Bizzare Adventures.
I was introduced to the series when I was 14 through memes on Skype, and thought that JBA was an urban fantasy similar to Persona - meaning that the cast spent most of their time within one-to-three towns/cities. When I actually watched Jojo from Part 1, I was confused yet intrigued. By the end of Part 3 I had the sense that JBA may not have been the show for me (at least at the time, I love the series now), but I was going to give it one more Part to win me over; and Part 4 did just that. And even though I still have to catch up (I’m still on Part 7 of the manga at the time of this comment) I would say that JBA is my favorite anime/manga series regardless of its flaws, inconsistencies, and ‘duwangs’.
The worst moment in DiU was when during Highway Star arc Josuke broke a phone, and instead of fixing it with his ability he just... stole another one.
To be fair it was just done for a comedic moment
That was meant to be a joke scene, with the joke being Josuke got ahold of another phone so quick, he didn't need to fix up the old one.
@@thegamerator10 it was more to show off two comedic scenes where he takes the phone right before the person is supposed to say something important to the person they're in the call with
You missed the part where that was a joke...
@@KiwiHavok777 Joke was so funny, I forgot to laugh.
From Know Your Meme in 2019
I'm just curious…
How come JoJo and RWBY are always the top trending image galleries all year round?
Because one is Jojo, and the other has really good fanart…
MangaKamen, would it be possible to get a video about how Okuyasu isn't as dumb as the fanbase makes him out to be?
Best part about DIU: mostly everything excluding shigechi
Worst part of DIU: shigechi (and how overlooked josukes theme is compared to the other jojo's)
One thing I wish didn’t get dropped so quick is his grandfather’s death. It would’ve been a great motivation for Josuke to hunt down Kira as he would be protecting Morioh in Ryohei’s place.
Saying Koichi is the real Jojo is crazy cap though, take that back.
"Be careful not insult people's hair while watching this video." Okay but you have to admit that Josuke's hair looks like a flattened tire. Also Koichi is like Jotaro's son. I like to see you do a part 3 on why you think Yukako is the worst choice for a gf.
*someone is banging at your door*
@@ChiefMedicPururu Josuke traveling all the way from Japan to Florida would be hilarious
I don't know if I agree that someone else getting the last hit on Kira is actually problem for Josuke 🤔
One of the biggest strengths for Josuke as a character is his ability to relate to others and get them on his side, he is one of the kindest and most relatable Jojos, which contrasts with Kira who operates entirely alone. So having a friend/ally get the final blow on Kira can be viewed as a part of that strength Josuke has that Kira lacks, and it makes the difference.
Josuke held the brunt of the battle against Kira, but its always his friends stepping in for every major turning point in the fight - Be it Okuyasu, Koichi, or Jotaro.
There's also an aspect of how his kindness makes solving a problem by killing it feel strange, especially when that's the villains main way of solving problems.
Like with Superman snapping Zodds neck, yes it makes sense - And its satisfying to see the villain taken down for good - But it doesn't feel satisfying in a narrative way.
Maybe we could have had someone else of Morioh get the last hit other than Jotaro, but I don't think I'd actually want it to be Josuke.
I never said Josuke had to kill Kira. You're conflating the 'final blow' with killing which is not the same thing.
Even then, the final fight did have Josuke getting support from others before then, what is so wrong for Josuke to deliver and end the fight?
@@Mangakamen Apologies if the initial comment wasn't as clear as it could have been, but I meant them to be two separate points
One being: "it isn't necessarily bad that he didn't get the final blow."
And the second being: "It would be weird if he killed him."
I understand that those are not the same thing, and that it was totally possible for Josuke to get the final blow and not kill him. After all, its not like Jotaros final blow is what killed him - The ambulance did that.
(In fact, I think this is yet another reason the Ambulance is a smart way to finish Kira)
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As far as what is wrong for Josuke to deliver and end the fight (with his own hands)....I would answer: Nothing.
Nothing is wrong with that.
Assuming its a situation that isn't Josuke killing - I would be down for it.
My argument isn't that its bad for Josuke to deliver the final blow.
My argument is that "Its not bad for him, as a character/protag, to allow an ally deliver the final blow."
Both things can be true at the same time.
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For the record, I agree with the sentiment that Josuke was underutilized as a protagonist - And agree with most of the points you made in the video. I just think that this particular criticism isn't the strongest one
If they had taken a moment to flesh out the whole hair thing with the person who saved him, or did anything else surrounding his character, he'd prob be my favorite Jojo too.
(Currently torn between Johnathan and Jolyne)