I’m getting comments about one particular sentence I said in this video so let me address this a little better. I said “This could have been easily avoidable” What I’m saying is compared to other ways of passing on (disease, old age,etc) is that suicide/depression as difficult as it is ! Is not inevitable unlike the others. Again let me be clear that I understand it’s complicating that deals with a lot of psychological issues that are easier said than actually going through with them. Still there are resources always available to prevent such things and I’d like to at least think there are people with some form of common empathy that could reach out in the most minimum of ways to prevent further actions. From personal experiences my problem is I always think my friend’s suicide could have been avoidable because I keep thinking it shouldn’t of happened but it did sadly for reasons beyond my control. However I just keep thinking those resources for him were never absent which is why I think and said what I said in that one sentence. Please know whatever your negative thoughts and mental health may be at the moment that there’s always someone out there to talk to you.
I feel like this dude has spent the last 15 years of his life scrolling through metallum and hasn’t left the house since. Idk what else could lead to someone using someone’s suicide as an opportunity to call them a poser and say that them killing themselves is “metal”.
@@Kmkz-1989 It's sadly a common edgelord attitude in "real metal" types to be this flippant with someone's death when they don't like their music. They often have this attitude in general toward human life because they're just terminally online and their actual personality has been overrided. Really gross and sad shit.
I hope he does it too would rather have trevor than a washed up narcissist glorifying someone else’s death because they’re jellie about their music being better
Trevor was a great guy, I’ve seen tbdm multiple times and Trevor was easily the most approachable out of the bunch, along with Brian, guy was a good soul and literally the embodiment of what a frontman should be. Rest in power legend 🤘🏻 you are missed
I met Trevor at a show last October. He was signing autographs and CDs for fans and he talked to me for a bit and even took pics. My phone camera was barley working and even then he still had the patience to try multiple times. I told him the The Black Dahlia Murder was the only band I ever listen too, which was not exactly true, but pretty close to true since they completely influenced my musical style. Trevor pointed out my Misfits shirt and I stuttered a bit and then he pointed to the Misfits tattoo on his leg and we both had a laugh. I wish I had talked to him more. I heard him talking to others about how he was excited he was to go bowling in Chelsea. I wish I could have said more to him and know how things were for him then. I wish I could have known him better. I'm crying a bit as I type this because literally his band meant more to me than any other music in the world no lie. I hope he finds the peace in death that he was lacking in life.
Trevor Strnad has done more for getting people into "true metal" than all the people calling them posers. Trevor showed that you didn't have to look like the big, spooky dude and needed to wear the black tshirt. Kinda makes the whole "poser" thing kind of ironic in that regard. Travor was always shouting out underground bands and gave people a gateway into more extreme forms of music. Anyone screeching about how they "ruined this and that" has their head up their ass.
@Dawn Razor look up Trevor Strnad, the obituarist, he also was the one who helped vulvodynia, there’s plenty of screenshots of him talking to smaller bands that those bands took screenshots of. There’s a pretty easy paper trail if you simply use google.
I've been dealing with depression a long time. I use jokes to cope, be they puns, word play, crude situational humor, even dad jokes. I make suicide jokes. A lot. Having been on that brink, I saw it as gallows humor. I've made them to friends and family. They know it's what I do and how I deal with it. When I read the news yesterday, I had to fist fight every fiber of my being to not cry. I was at work. I took care of people that are dying and in pain with that heartbreak, and I felt every second of it. I learned to sing from emulating Trevor and Randy Blythe. I never met the man, but we all knew he loved us. I'll never make a suicide joke again. I won't leave anyone feeling like this. I miss him, this is how I'll remember him. How i'll honor him. So to this rat human. This desecrated husk of unbridled jealousy capitalizing on the death of a man whose love is unquestioned, remember there will be no one like him again. And you're a fucking meme.
Hey bro. That hit me hard and not just because I've battled depression and suicidal ideations my whole life or that I work with people in the same circumstances that you do. I have that same gallows humor and I'll tell ya that Trevor did too (and he was fuckin hilarious). Hell, the people who do the kind of work we do end up having a dark sense of humor, even if they didn't before. It's quite a normal and healthy way to cope. I'm lucky enough to have known Trevor since the mid 00's and he was such an amazing human being. I'll also tell you that he did in fact love all his fans, whether you met him or not. I know that all successful musicians say that, but I got to see that he actually meant that first hand over the years. Trevor had a huge heart man. Losing him has been fuckin tough and I'm right here with you in that. I know how much of a toll the kind of work we do can have on a person too. Especially when dealing with your own loss. I just lost both of my parents back to back last year and had to cope while at work too. When you work with the sick and dying and witness that process over and over, it truly shows you the harsh reality of mortality amongst many other things. It's hard, and I commend you for doing what you do. Your patients are lucky to have someone so caring by their sides. Also, I just want to say, it's perfectly fine if you want to give up those kind of jokes, but you don't have to. Especially if it helps you cope. I know for a fact that just living your life and trying your best to live a good one would be the best possible way to honor Trevor's memory and honor him. If you think that is going to help you do that and better yourself, then go for it, my man! Just don't punish yourself is all I'm saying. Trevor would already be proud of you. I wish you the absolute best, Andrew. You seem like a real good dude who has great things ahead in life. If you need to talk or something, feel free to just hmu. You can always leave a comment on one my videos to make sure I see it (they're only there for family & stuff, I'm not a YTer or anything lol). Keep shredding and stay strong, bro🤘.
@@xenophagia If either one of you two lovely seeming people decides to ever try and hurt yourselves you will have me to deal with. I joke, but this world needs more of the better people in it, and life is a gift that is infinitely unlikely and you cannot get that gift again, you get what you take out of it. On a serious note to both of you, please speak to me if you have any suicidal thoughts again, don't be bastards and do that for me at least lol :)
I lost a friend to suicide last year. His statements honestly Hurt me... I also think about how easily it could have been avoided had I been able to talk to him the night before he jumped infront of a train. Fuck this guy Condolences to your friend, Wyatt
As the guy said in his video, pretty arrogant of you (or anyone) to assume a brief conversation with you or anyone could somehow alter a massive decision like being ready to give up on your own life. Do we think people who commit are so silly that they are giving their life away when it all could have been saved by a quick visit from a friend? Calling suicide easily avoidable is more insulting than anything the other guy said in his video lol
@@bonka_mann you’re seriously gonna respond to someone expressing remorse about their friend who committed suicide with “Um AkShUaLlY yOuRe BeInG aRrOgAnT” dude gfys
"Trve metal fans" never cease to amaze me in their sheer cult-like devotion to "defending trve metal from the falses". This guy's entire channel represents the absolute worst of the online metal community and it makes me sick to be constantly reminded that people like this exist. Rest in power Trevor Strnad.
Some people get validation from belonging to some kind of music scene and shitting on everybody else. I mostly listen to Black Metal and I respect musicians from all genres, no matter how cringe they might be, just because I love my own type of cringe so much.
Dude it's an opinion. He has an opinion. Attacking him for voicing his opinion..you dont have to like it. Attacking people, demeaning them..no need for it. Not everyone thinks alike. The sooner you realize that, the better. It doesnt make you any less right or wrong. It's an opinion.
@@TtrainInVain I mean, sometimes people are simply wrong. There are such things as just being plain stupid. That should be acknowledged, in the human interest.
@@tyronp8487 where did I give kudos? You let me know when you find that..you know what's worse? Putting words into someone's mouth. I was simply stating the man spoke his opinion and whether you find it wrong or not..is completely subjective. I've met trevor. Great dude. Loved the band. I'm simply saying you shouldn't resort to calling people mentally challenged that have differing views. That is all. I dont agree with anything he said really. I dont think he needs to be attacked for it though.
Yeah it was like the time when I saw LG Petrov from Entombed back in 2019 and LG giving me a vodka shot then I few years later he died of cancer it’s such a surreal thing RIP.
When I first saw TBDM live when they toured clubs with Exhumed and Atheist in 2011, I was ready to hate on the band, because based on their name I too thought they'd be some cringy Metalcore band. But I was pleasantly surprised that how good they were and they definitely gained a fan that day. He was a really easy going dude and seemed to be a walking talking encyclopedia on old school Death Metal. Absolutely tragic loss.
You still see people labeling TBDM as "metalcore" when in reality they are pretty much straightforward melodic death metal. I never understood the label because I honestly can't find any "core" elements to their music. It's like they just got lumped into the genre because they looked a certain way when they first hit the scene.
Whoever thinks that TBM is metalcore is as dumb as Fox news who called TBM a "black metal" band. Just goes to show that only the people who listen to The Black Dahlia Murder understand what it truly is.
Damn. I'm a follower of his channel who didn't get to see this video before it was removed. All suicides are a great tragedy, and to jump on it like this on the same day is in the worst possible taste. I cannot defend it, and I don't know if I can continue to support him after seeing his views on this, which sucks because his videos did help me to grow as a musician. As contrary as his views are, the channel does have some genuine insights on songwriting and melodic development which have caused me to rethink my own songwriting. It's easy to dismiss this guy as a closed-minded elitist, but I think there's genuine value in his videos too. I guess I can be grateful for that whilst still condemning this particular video, but I will be thinking twice about watching his stuff again.
At a concert once Me and a girl i was with at the time, went to the front of the crowd in front of the speakers, getting our ears blown out, at one point we finally get to the center of the stage, and Trevor just high fives me and gives me a grin mid-song, I was so pumped the rest of night, never said a word to me but made my fuckin year in 2 seconds. Fuck it sucks hes gone, I keep having to remind myself that that dude isnt on our earth anymore. 😢😢
I also met Trevor back in 2019 and he was such a cool guy! I talked to him for a little bit and got a selfie. I saw TBDM again back last September and I will never forget how Trevor was so awesome to his fans on stage and off. I will never forget about Trevor and he will live on in our hearts. Again, RIP Trevor.
What an absolute ballbag. I know nothing about the band in question, but I've learned in the last 24 hours how truly involved in the underground scene the guy was - in a legitimate way. The smallest, up and coming death metal bands he was buying their demo tapes and repping the shirt while on stage with his very large band. That's worth applauding. Seen half a dozen RIP posts from tiny bands where someone has then commented "I got into you guys because Trevor talked about you". Props to that.
This guys response is fucking disgusting. Trevor was hurting. He doesn't deserve this bullshit being said about him. It blows my mind that people can be so insensitive. Rest easy, Trevor.❤️
Another channel called him a Jesus hating metal singer. The comments on that video were terrible, saying things such as Trevor would burn in hell. Really sad. ruclips.net/video/DRh2vOdWR3Q/видео.html
Here in Cincinnati OH there's a local BM band called Valdrin, the lead dude in that band put out an FB post talking about Trevor and how the dude was legit into so much underground music, blew my fucking mind a guy in a long running/successful death metal band knew and kept in contact with a small BM band from Ohio. Trevor really did leave and breathe extreme music of all types. RIP to a legend
This is most definitely true. Trevor has followed my bands and we have stayed in touch since the first time we played a show together in the mid 00's. He was just a fucking awesome dude like that. I miss him already.
Besides the fact that this guy has absolutely zero shame and no self respect to be saying this shit about a man who has recently died, his point about TBDM "ruining" metal is just fucking stupid. In general, both newcomers to extreme metal and veterans have given the band overwhelmingly positive reviews. Yes their first couple albums were more core-ish, that's mainly due to the fact they took a lot of inspiration from Slaughter of the Soul. Plenty of great bands started off taking huge inspiration and kinda copying their inspirations until they found their sound. I am into every form of extreme metal and I still have a huge love for the bands music, they have released so many great albums over the years and they were a band that helped many others get into extreme metal. Trevor and TBDM as a whole have made a huge impact on the entirety of metal and there are no words to express how tragic this loss is. RIP Trevor Strnad, fly high.
@@zombiemachinery4868 Just because bands like AILD and KSE ripped the Gothenburg sound and then became the giants of the genre it seems anyone else that uses similar sounding riffs just immediately get pegged as metalcore. TBDM have no breakdowns, no cleans, and the lyrics have zero to do with anything hardcore. They are pretty much just a melodic death metal band.
One point that I thought of, is this: while suicidal ideation can be a prolonged thing and can crop up for a person’s whole life, the actual act of taking one’s own life is usually a semi-impulsive decision brought on by extreme duress. It’s not anyone’s job to “save” someone, but at the same time, a single friend or person reaching out and stopping someone from committing suicide can make all the difference. That dude from the other video clearly has no understanding of that.
Spot on commentary (with the exception of the "easily avoidable" sentence, which you yourself explained in a pinned comment - props to you for rephrasing). On topic, suicide/depression shouldn't be taken lightly, it should be taken seriously. Whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone in this. Reach out, get help.
That dude seams a bitter spoiled cry baby that treats his mom like crap. His mom probably bought his CD collection. He obviously never felt cold clutches of depression. It's horrible. It's a constant feeling of your inside emotions wanting to rip through your skin. Anyone that feels alone you are not!!! my freinds. Their is always some one for you. Learn to reach out. Don't be afraid to say something.
Yeah this man is insane, he "re-writes" Death song parts to make them "better" as he is a "better" songwriter than Chuck and has written way way way more complex music than Death - that's what he says (I'm not even the biggest Chuck fan, and Death is certainly not the most technical band, idk that's just plain fucking weird) and he compares every modern dm band to Incantation and shits on them. And now this, I just don't fucking know. It's like he really wants attention and just tries to make his shit as controversial as possible to get views and he doesn't even realize it himself. RIP Trevor
They couldn’t do it due to scheduling but Trevor wanted to take dragged into sunlight out with tbm, he also wanted to take out bands like the rotted and akercocke on U.K. tours, he had an encyclopaedic knowledge of death metal, I remember talking to him about obscure Brazilian death metal. He didn’t hurt metal he used his platform to showcase underground bands, if anything he did the opposite. RIP dude.
First off, RIP to Trevor, but yeah this dude is off his rocker. I don’t understand how anybody could be so Ice cold towards others, he’s more than likely an undiagnosed (or diagnosed idk this guy) sociopath.
He's for sure an egotist and narcissist. Look at his channel and he has videos where he "fixes" Death songs. I mean the audacity to think you can "fix" Chuck's music and that you know better says all that needs to be said about the type of person the clown is. He's the worst kind of metal elitist, and yes most of us had a phase where we had that mentality but you grow out of it, this dude is like middle aged with the mentality of a teenager.
its fucking shit. I met TBDM in 2007 when they were casting for a new drummer and they flew me over from europe to detroit 2 times and I almost got the spot, it was damn close. Trevor took me to an italian restaurant and after dinner we played super metroit and listened to some other extreme bands. He was a true metal enthusiast
ive seen a lot of people say that "telling suicidal people to not do it because of how other people will be affected is selfish" i get the logic, but it shows such little understanding of what it is to be suicidal. i havestruggled with suicidal thoughts and self harm for about two years, ive attempted suicide twice, both times were when i felt like absolutely no one cared, im still suicidal and i still want to die but thinking about my friends and parents and stuff is generally enough to stop me doing smt bad
That line is usually used in an accusatory or shameful manner, which is not supportive, and can often reinforce the perception of being a burden on others, which is common for suicidal ideation. That is, if your thought is, "my friends and family are better off without me" then someone yelling at you about how your death would be a burden on them isn't helpful. If you're experiencing suicidal thoughts and you yourself find comfort in thinking about loved ones, that's great, but that's different than someone using your relationships to shame you for being suicidal.
I'm in a similar boat, for me i think my cat just existing and needing me as his mama has probably saved my life a couple of times. "if you die who's going to feed your cat and have dinner with your mom and greet your neighbors every day?" may seem flippant and irrational, but mental illness is irrational, lol. I'm glad you're still here by the way. thank you for being so strong! 🫂
@@moonlightequilibrium Those are actually completely rational thoughts (not the suicide part ofc) and perfectly good reasons to live. Similar things keep me going too, as well as my family & my wife. I'm grateful that my own attempts failed and am lucky to have found my own reasons to live. I still struggle with not wanting to exist and wanting to be freed my physical prison, but I do not want to KMS anymore (if any of that makes sense). That time for me will come when it does. So I just keep hanging on for the ride and try my to make it the best one I possibly can. I'll get an entire eternity of not existing and only years to live, so I personally gave up on cutting the living part short. Anyway, I wish you, your cat, and OP the very best and I hope that you both stay along for the ride with me. 🤘
oh, THAT guy lol… I know him because of the video "Blood Incantation sucks and here's why" where he just cries for half an hour about how we need to gatekeep (even more than we already do). I do consider myself to be somewhat of an ELiTiSt, but he is on a whole another level lmao. I also find his mic really funny.
@@SlyHikari03 He is also a member of a (I believe now defunct) metal band, I don't remember the name. Gotta be the least technical tech death I've ever heard. edit: got it, Ara - Judisprudence
When he said "Trevor's death was more metal than anything else " is the equivalent of Euronymous saying" dead died for black metal" it's just sociopaths and clowns making dumb statements
Thing is it would be interpreted as a very metal type of statement or attitude wether you like it or not. Suicide is actually more diverse in its decisions than one gives it’s own perception at.
I died a little inside yesterday when I found out trevor died I been a fan of them for 11 years it was ironically one of the first death metal bands I got into they got me out of dark places multiple times I would see them every time they toured
I saw one of this guy's videos a while back, it was basically him nitpicking at the structures of Death songs. Talking about Chuck Schuldiner, a man who has been dead for almost 20 years and is well credited in the metal community, and how his song writing is awful to say the least. This man has no respect and no credibility.
@Dragon Ball fans can't read Vigna, Lemay, Schuldiner. Trey Azagthoth is the most overrated death metal guitarist ever. Dude is sloppy as hell, constantly resorts to whammy bar nonsense, and plagues any great Morbid Angel song with his pentatonic blues bullshit. Literally every solo. Even when he starts with something cool, he falls into the pentatonic trap and ruins the vibe of the song. He has written some great riffs but too many terrible ones as well. I own their entire discography and they are way overhyped. Vincent is an embarrassing frontman and Pete "The Cheat" Sandoval triggers his fucking snare drum of all things.
@Iron Reagan chuck was an extremely mediocre songwriter. Death as a band is just watered down death metal for normies who can’t handle actual death metal.
A long time ago, I considered attempting suicide because I was being bullied at school and had to deal with an abusive father. People have told me how selfish it is for me to do attempt it. I wanted to do it because I felt like it would let my misery go away forever and I wanted to be happy in heaven rather than be miserable on earth with the situation I was in. People still act like assholes towards me when it comes to whenever I talk about my mental health journey and my history with ableism as I have Autism, GAD, and Depression. I just wanted to be happy. What Mr. Actually said about one of the members of Atheist telling Trevor that he could talk to them made me really mad. Saying to somebody who's trying to help someone out of attempting suicide that they're selfish just adds to the stigma of mental health.
That dude is just "bald Euronymous". I suspect his dog or whatever will get sick of hearing his videos and take a dump 23 times on his carpet just to spite him.
I agree with you for most of what you say in this video - but I do want to nitpick one thing. I don't think it's so simple to call suicide selfish, because a lot of times people ARE thinking about their friends and loved ones when they want to kill themselves. From my own experience (and talking to others who have had these thoughts and/or attempts) they often feel like a burden to others and they genuinely believe their loved ones would be better off without them. It gets even messier because sometimes when you're in a dark place for a while, you can legitimately start to be a bit of a burden on others, and friends will often start distancing themselves from you - which validates that perspective.
Yeah, TBDM’s popularity is ONLY due to Trevor’s magnetic personality. It has NOTHING to do with the legendary talent that the band has employed through their career, how they toured the world times over on as many bills as they can humanly handle in a year, the technicality & speed of their music, Trevor’s wide vocal range & power, the quality of execution in a live setting.. This man (Mr. Ackshually) must have some really nice plans to boost the metal community the way that Trevor has over the years with his constant support of underplayed/unknown acts- just as soon as he finishes his plate of tendies. I bet he’s got a folder of riffs on his computer that will bring the metal world to it’s knees, as soon he finds some trve players that can handle how kvlt the songs are. Like seriously, that man needs to get a fucking life & touch grass. Thanks for calling out this absolute turd. Trevor was a hero for all of us in heavy music, and the metal community now has a gaping hole in it’s heart without him. He was a friend to all of us, and personally a supporter of one of my projects.
The point that he was making is that to espouse the platitude, for the purpose of stroking your own social media ego, of "talking someone down from the ledge", after they've already "jumped", without first regarding that person's quality of life, at the inferred expense of that person living in misery for your pleasure or comfort, is about the most selfish and unsympathetic behavior in which a person could engage. His commentary was colored a bit by his disdain of the band, but that wasn't the point of the video. This isn't to start an argument, it's an offering of perspective.
Well that’s still better than allowing someone to jump . There’s literally no empathy with that notion and I rather read that from the guy from Atheist than him saying “ahh they’re screwed just let them die”. I understand you’re trying to give me another viewpoint so I’m not so one sided with this topic but I’ll always be dead set on my stance.
Trevor’s death shocked me a lot, it was one of those were I was in denial about it same about LG Petrov. As back in my high school days I was listening to Deflorate all the time. This guy seems to me he wants to be trve and it’s borderline cringe. And it makes me mad that some people agree with this dude aswell. As a person with severe anxiety and depression these people makes me hate humanity even more then I already do. RIP Trevor
I got to met Trevor a few years ago at the show they were playing and man he really is the most humble nicest person you’ll met.. he gave me free guitar picks that was 5$ didn’t have to do that at all and gave a discount on his band shirts too.. didn’t have to do that either.. the man would go beyond to make someone feel good and just supporting the music scene. The hold thing the guy has said is highly gross. mental health issues is a big problem even the nicest people who you never expected even I deal with it.
The guy gives me Jason Blaha vibes, except for lifting weights, he's into music. He has no clue how great Trevor was, and will still be in our memories.
I left like 10 comments on that video. Trevor Stnrad is one of if not the greatest frontman in modern metal. I saw TBDM live and I was absolutely shocked by the quality of the performance they put on. Absolute greatness. The world of metal will never be the same.
A friend of mine committed assisted suicide... He had a lot of permanent severe mental illnesses. It took him years to get to this. He wanted to avoid having to do it ''the messy way''. I am very very sad that he left. But at the same time he really really wanted this. He was more happy towards the end. We miss him. He was so brave. I understand where you are coming from though. Please try your best to prevent that from happening (if you can).
The comparison to the "Akshully" meme is sadly way too fitting and he even goes further, this dude's really something else. Promoting suicide as a fully conscious choice is just really messer up
Thank you for doing this reply video. I lost mysister to suicide 8 years ago and this dudes hateful video about the topic really angered me. Rip Trevor, King of the nightworld
Unhollowed is the reason I even got into metal. That CD helped me discover other bands like Nile, Dying Fetus and then later dark funeral and belphagor and this was back when the cd first came out. I'll never forget when The black dahlia murder, Dying fetus, commit suicide and cattle Decapitation came to our old podunk town of Hagerstown Maryland. Was one of the greatest nights of my life and I think I was about 16 at the time, 33 now. It was such a small venue that we all got to hang out with all the bands and even help them with all their equipment. After the show me and acouple of my best friends had some really amazing weed which was super rare for our area and time but we were honored to share it with Trevor and their guitarist and drummer. They told us so many cool stories and were some of the friendly and humble guys we've ever met. Me and my buddies were gushing over them and thanking them all night for coming to our tiny shitty town and playing for only like 25 people and they put up with us like Champs and even drove us in their stinky tour van to waffle house. I'll never forget Trevor and that night.
Words can't describe how I felt after the news of Trevor's passing. Giving context here, TBDM was basically my FIRST concert experience. Headlining alongside Suffocation, The Zenith Passage, Necrot, and Wormwitch. That day still remains as one of my most amazing experiences. After that I saw them again when they did a mini tour, another amazing performance. Back during high school TBDM was pretty much that bridge I needed to get into more extreme metal. The closest thing I was able to go back then that was considered heavy for me was Sepultura's early stuff and Kreator's. Then TBDM came along and changed everything, since then I been a huge fan of the underground. The amount of playlists, albums, eps, and merchandise I acquired over the years is a testament to that. I never spoken to Trevor personally, but I'll be in denial if I didn't say his lyrics were definitely some of the most comforting. A good portion of the TBDM songs definitely touched on the subject of mental illness and suicide. As an individual that struggled with such things it was a relatable stance. It was probably because of that, also mix in their blend of death metal that I became a devoted fan since high school. While I don't listen to much TBDM now like I use to (more nowadays leaning towards black metal, doomy stuff, ambience and what not). I still nonetheless respect them with high regard. Trevor has introduced me to a slew of killer artists and I'm grateful for that. I'll definitely never forget seeing TBDM twice, seeing Trevor on stage filled with energy. I can only imagine what lingered deep within his battles. Rest In Power Trevor, you'll be very dearly missed.
Never cared much for TBDM, but Trevor seemed like a very passionate and down-to-earth man. A musician who earns their reputation through their works and wisdom should be respected. May he rest in peace.
I don't think he said that you have to let people kill themselves. He said that people reveal their ecocentric side by saying "you should have kept on because of ME". I don't know if I agree with the dude, but that was his point.
As someone who suffered from depression and almost successfully committed suicide multiple times throughout the years, hearing about Trevor Strnad passing really broken my heart. I didn't even know about his passing until one of my friends posted it on snap. Hearing this guy talking down on the legend who showed love and supported small and huge bands really got me super pissed, but to blame us face for "not letting him end his life" struck a nerve to me completely
Metal elitists just seem so much more annoying and cancerous to me than elitists of other genres. Like who gives a shit if someone likes something you don’t? Go listen to your acoustic nsbm recorded on a cassette tape in a forest and remember to change your diapers when you accidentally listen to anything remotely popular.
@Dragon Ball fans can't read What culture exactly? Being a murderous scumbag like Varg Vikerens or becoming a strung out drug addict that dies an early death like Alexi Laiho? A culture of elitism and gatekeeping and one-upping each other about who or what is more "metal"? If anything the people like this guy claiming to preserve the culture are in fact doing the exact opposite, making the culture look pathetic and full of sociopaths and degenerates. If that's what metal is to you you can have it.
He says that TBDM isn't "trve", but Reciept is far darker than most BM or DM songs. On another note: please reach out to friends who may be a bit down or are in a dark place. It may not be much to you, but it may mean the world to them if you just listened to their struggles and try to help them out.
TBDM is an amazing band. Trevor's voice was so damn unique. They got me through seriously rough times. Their music got me through friends commiting suicide. This guy talking about Trevor's suicide is a joke. Trevor doesn't deserve to have this said or spoken about him. Trevor is a legend in the metal community. He will always be a legend. RIP Trevor.
i never liiked tbdm, but have always had a love for trevor as a vocalist, lyricist and general human being. he was one of the most promenant and successful figures in modern extreme metal and still managed to support smaller bands and artists in the scene,
As someone who's taken the leap off the ledge and has had to talk others down from it, it's honestly just the talking that helps. Just knowing that in the moment where you feel most alone, somebody is there. Very few people take their own lives right in front of other people or over the phone/livestream.
I think we should never judge or shame someone for considering or actually committing suicide, but we should also do EVERYTHING we can do make sure that they know there are reasons to stick around. We should help them as much as possible. Calling Trevor's suicide the "only time he was more metal than atheist's vocalist" is absolutely unforgiveable. As someone who's been suicidally depressed and had family experience the same, I think it isn't selfish to take one's life due to the sheer amount of suffering one has to experience to be driven to take such a decision. However encouraging it and celebrating it as "metal" is honestly unforgiveable. To clarify I don't think it's selfish to want your friend to stick around and not end their lives. I think some situations are just shit for everyone involved. Edit: You keep saying "easily avoidable" but it really, really isn't, usually it's a chronic, treatment resistent issue that goes on for many years and doesn't go away regardless of what you try. If it was easily avoidable people wouldn't be dropping left and right due to suicide. Also, I'm really sorry you and everyone else had to go through your frend's suicide. Nobody deserves that, like you said.
@@wyattxhim Just read it. I hear you, it is actually now inevitable for anyone technically, some of us are just less fortunate with the treatment of our Depression. I've been treated with 3 SSRI, 1 NDRI, 1 other antidepressant, 1 tricyclic antidepressant, 2 mood stabilizers, and 1 antipsychotic. Literally everything has been useless, as well as 7 years of many kinds of therapy. But yes, I agree we should do our absolute best to prevent it. Depression is a unique disease in the sense that it truly makes you unable to fight it, usually diseases don't render you completely unable to fight it. I'm sorry you had to go through losing your friend, and as you said it was due to factors beyond your control. Never blame yourself my man, sorry you had to deal with the dipship who made the video.
I've dealt with suicidal ideation for 25 years now. It's severe and treatment resistant and I agree with you fully. I'm really only here to type this comment because of the shame, placed on me by others, for how I feel. I can guarantee that a suicidal person has beat themselves up over not being able to find strength in their friends and family. I know that the general consensus is that suicide is selfish, but we tend to think the same of the guy trying to talk us into living when we're that low. There is no perfect solution to resolving a suicide. I'm glad to see that OP pinned the rephrasing of his original comment. Idk, I just felt compelled to comment and say that I understand exactly what you mean by what you said. Not sure if my comment comes across as shitting on the OP; I'm not, I promise.
" I'm not here to celebrate or anything, but I gotta say that I've always loathed this band, think they completely ruined modern metal and they're only popular because Trevor was nice." * continues to do a victory lap for 15 minutes *
If you think talking to someone can prevent suicide - that it can be “easily avoided” - then you really don’t understand suicide, nor the circumstances leading up to it, at all.
While I think it can be dangerous to offer untrained help to people with suicidal thoughts, sometimes people need to vent their dark thoughts in order to just start to release themselves from it. Especially when there's an event like that. Sure, it's not the only solution and people will need further professional help, but when the thoughts are just there, echoing and echoing in the head, they can grow bigger every time they appear. So they can feel there's a way out... With all that said, although didn't follow Black Dahlia Murder career, RIP Trevor and all my condolences to the fans and family :/
I think the biggest thing that everyone keeps getting wrong I keep hearing was, “this could have easily been avoided.” As someone who has lost 4 friends and a family member to suicide, I have to completely disagree. You are not designed to want to have harm come to you. You will have a hard time biting through one of your fingers even though it takes the same strength to bite through it that you’d need for a baby carrot. And there is a reason why you have many people have that last minute change of heart. When you’re at a point of actually taking those steps, you’re not thinking rationally, you aren’t fully there anymore. No one would want to hurt their family in that way on purpose, and most people don’t have the mental capacity to actually do it. Am I saying do nothing? Of course not. But every day I sit there and I think back on all of them and I always ask myself what could I have done differently? Each case for me was different from each other. But at the end of the day some amazing human beings ended up carrying out actions that hurt the most. If it actually was as easy as you and so many say, I don’t think it would have happened. But the fact that we have access to all these resources and it still is prevalent clearly shows it’s not just something easily avoided. If it was, I’d have my friends and my mother. But sadly it’s complicated, it’s hard, and it’s painful. So now we have the chance to try to move forward, and improve our resources and ways to help others. It’s not enough to just tell the people who are suffering to get help. To change this we have to change society, we have to be caring, loving, accepting, and nurturing towards each other. It’s the least we can do for the ones we lost needlessly.
Well I’m sorry for those events that took place in your life. I understand it’s a complicated subject that dives more into the psychological aspect of an individual. When I said “it’s the most avoidable way of someone losing their life” I mean this in the sense of other ways of passing. (Diseases , old age , etc) As complicating as it is there’s still resources to prevent it. It doesn’t nor should it be this inevitable thing. Maybe I’m just stubborn cause I keep thinking still about how my friend should still be with me or how I almost lost another friend 7 months ago cause of certain situations.
@@wyattxhim yes there are resources to prevent it. But you need to keep in mind many people don’t have access to it. Another thing you need to keep in mind as well is that you don’t know if someone like Trevor was seeking help. I can only speak anecdotally, but I watched my mother seek help. My mom had access to some amazing doctors and any medication. She needed. And I watched her as she followed everyone’s advice down to a t. But I also saw it’s limitations, I saw the flaws. Remember as well, Chester from Linkin Park. He was very open about his struggles, about people seeking help, and about him trying to get him and seeing doctors. I’d actually love to speak to you about this in person if you have a discord or something. No arguments or dumb shit, an actual discussion because I believe it’s important. I think we also see more eye to eye than you think. Again this isn’t an attack on you, I hope you can understand that.
@@withinthrall1445 again I’m sorry to hear this and I’m aware you understand where I’m coming as I do too you as well. I guess I just hear a lot about how these resources helped out people I know (my friend 7 months ago attempted suicide thankfully failed at it). I’m not saying I’m absolutely correct with my remark of “it’s easily the most avoidable death” but I’m explaining how I guess in a sense that my friends suicide from 8 years ago shouldn’t of happened in any situation.
Yo dude, idk if you remember me, we went to middle school together. I just want to say how admirable you are bro. This death really affected me, Trevor being such a huge inspiration in my life, and maybe I'm wrong but it sounded like you may have been speaking about Westgate, if you were, mannnn did this speak to me, I was so hurt by westgates death man I can't even describe, I think about him every day. Anyway dude I'd love to catch up some time and talk about metal stuff if your still in the new b area, just know It makes me so happy that your doing your thing here on RUclips
I may not have been big on TBDM or agreed with his politics but I gotta give Trevor credit, his knowledge on metal and his dedication to finding more underground bands and giving them exposure was very cool. Rip.
Haven't followed the band for a really long time, but I remember seeing them open for The Haunted in 2005, and I just remember they put on a really good show and Trevor seemed like a hilarious guy. That's all I really have to say about this, other than that I'm especially sad for his friends and family.
Sometimes I worry that the online metal community is just a toxic cesspool of elitism, so it's reassuring when an actual elitist prick shows up to try and capitalise on someone's death (on the same day it happens no less), the result is response videos like this. Good video, troll or not, what this guy said is absolutely vile.
I think they are a really good band. I hated the goofy hipster image they had for the longest time. However, Trevor gave shout outs to my band on a few different platforms. He shouted us out in our home town. He had no clue we were there. After getting to know Trevor, I knew he was a true metal head. He used goofiness and jokes at his own expense all the time. Alot of people who deal with depression do that. Unfortunately Trevor could have gotten some help. He probably just needed an antidepressant. But, I realized he was a really nice guy. He was exceptionally polite to me and the people around me. Prayers to his family and and his band mates. RIP
When I was younger, and even two years ago, I was on the edge of suicide. Amazing how a gun barrel tastes, you never forget it. I was at the lowest points of my life. If I'd have pulled the trigger two years ago when I last had a Kimber in my maw, I'd have never gotten back with the best person I've ever met. I'd have never gotten married. And I'd have never gotten the love of my life pregnant and be ready to bring new life into this world. To think it's selfish to want to stop people from killing themselves.... that's infuriating. Sometimes we get so blinded to the darkness in our lives we forget that we can find a way out. There is some form of salvation. And we can find another reason to stay alive. I've had a cousin commit suicide, almost 20 years ago now. His daughter just became the first on our maternal side of the family to graduate from college. He'd have been so proud. But one moment of weakness lead to a decision there was no going back from. He used liquid cough syrup to swallow an entire cabinet of pills because his wife cheated on him. He parked his truck in the woods in a Louisiana summer, and his body wasn't found for a week. Closed casket funerals aren't fun. There's no real closure. My point is. There's nothing selfish about trying to save someone from killing themselves. We all have a reason to live. Sometimes our inner demons blind us to that. And that's when we make that mistake of pulling the trigger or kicking the chair. I'll stay alive as long as I can. For my wife. For my child. To be able to tell the story of my life and teach lessons
I saw that video pop up and didn't click on, for no apparent reason, he could've been making some very heartfelt points. If i'd have seen that before seeing this, I don't know what i'd have commented.
First thing this guy reminded me of is all the boomers on Sea of Tranquility that constantly bash Nirvana and Slipknot for having depressing lyrics that their sons like.
I've been at the breaking point before. I've been three inches away from my knife and it would've been so easy to just end it, but I held on. I knew there were people who would wish they could've done something. To say it's selfish to want to talk someone out of suicide is the most fucking asinine point about the topic. This man has obviously never lost someone or even almost lost someone to suicide. To take someone's suicide and go and say that it was the most metal thing he's done, is a fucking vile and horrendous thing to do. Metal is a lot of things, and yes in metal you will find songs about murder and even suicide, but there's a line between music and reality. And when someone tragically takes their own life and you say some vile shit like that, you've crossed that line. Metal is about unfiltered expression, people like this who gatekeep music and then go to say shit like this aren't true metalheads. They're the same as people who think that only classical music is true music. They fail to understand the true nature of art as a medium of self expression and creativity where good and bad are completely subjective. Instead they see music as something that's quality objectively measured using a checklist of techniques or stylistic influences it has. I know this has been long but people like this really piss me the fuck off.
TBDM is in no way an easy band to listen to if youre not into metal. I think its a disservice to call them boring and easy going accessible music when they really were one of the bands that defined melodic death metal and helped pave the path for so many other bands regardless of the genre. trevor was one of the nicest people i have ever met and he was vocal and adamant about mental health and supporting those around you. he will be missed and the metal scene would not be the same without his impact.
@Dragon Ball fans can't read "metalcore framework" I love that you manufacture bullshit terms to support your viewpoints. Do tell what exactly this "framework" is.
@Dragon Ball fans can't read And of course you can't even explain what it means and resort to name calling. You are clearly thinking within an 8th grade framework. See I can manufacture bullshit terms too.
Hey mate I appreciate what you're saying because I woke up to news of Trevor's death and it brought me to tears. To say he was HUGE in my musicial life is an understatement. I don't know who ol mate is, don't know why he's using a tradegy for clout by shitting on Trevor and BDM but his main gripe was with the Atheist vocalist. Trevor was very open about his struggles with mental health and the avenues he had taken to try and turn himself around. He had time off during COVID. He's one of the most respected vocalists in one of the most seminal, hugely influential bands in modern metal with a storied 20 year career, so many accolades, everyone loved him, he was living his dream, he has a missus who adores him and worships him and still with all of that he fell it necessary to end his life. He had tried the meds and drugs and talking and therapy and he still didn't see a way out. Some times feelings are temporary but some people's suffering is ongoing. If that's what brings them peace then who are we to force them to keep going for us ? R.I.P Trevor
I look at it cause I’ve heard so many stories from people saying they’ve wanted/attempted suicide to realize they still have a lot to live for. Attempting suicide within those moments cuts away so much that’s yet to happen in life. I understand it’s an ongoing mental battle no matter what there’s always another thing to experience in life. Call me overly Optimistic with that takes my take.
I won't lie. I never heard of Trevor or his band until I read of his death. Only recently have I gotten into the whole death metal thing. It was always a bit too much and too silly for me. I listened to good last album TWICE in the last two days. I never knew what melodic death metal was but it could hear the difference in this band and plan to explore it more. RIP.
I’m getting comments about one particular sentence I said in this video so let me address this a little better. I said
“This could have been easily avoidable”
What I’m saying is compared to other ways of passing on (disease, old age,etc) is that suicide/depression as difficult as it is ! Is not inevitable unlike the others.
Again let me be clear that I understand it’s complicating that deals with a lot of psychological issues that are easier said than actually going through with them.
Still there are resources always available to prevent such things and I’d like to at least think there are people with some form of common empathy that could reach out in the most minimum of ways to prevent further actions.
From personal experiences my problem is I always think my friend’s suicide could have been avoidable because I keep thinking it shouldn’t of happened but it did sadly for reasons beyond my control. However I just keep thinking those resources for him were never absent which is why I think and said what I said in that one sentence.
Please know whatever your negative thoughts and mental health may be at the moment that there’s always someone out there to talk to you.
Greatly stated!
As someone who's been down that road multiple times, i fully understood what you were saying with that statement. You have my support.
I totally get what you're saying and agree, except for the "easily" part.
How incredibly naive to think that having “someone to talk to” magically makes everything ok.
@@ericb7095 how incredibly naive to think that’s all I’m saying in this
I feel like this dude has spent the last 15 years of his life scrolling through metallum and hasn’t left the house since. Idk what else could lead to someone using someone’s suicide as an opportunity to call them a poser and say that them killing themselves is “metal”.
@@Kmkz-1989 It's sadly a common edgelord attitude in "real metal" types to be this flippant with someone's death when they don't like their music. They often have this attitude in general toward human life because they're just terminally online and their actual personality has been overrided. Really gross and sad shit.
I hope he does it too would rather have trevor than a washed up narcissist glorifying someone else’s death because they’re jellie about their music being better
He's basically just Euronymous from Reddit
If Anthony Fantano was a part of the MCU, this dude would be the most evil version of him in the multiverse.
Not even Melon would say the dumb shit that came out of that mouth breathers face.
No,the evil version of Fantano is Christopher Harper Mercer
Trevor was a great guy, I’ve seen tbdm multiple times and Trevor was easily the most approachable out of the bunch, along with Brian, guy was a good soul and literally the embodiment of what a frontman should be. Rest in power legend 🤘🏻 you are missed
I met Trevor
at a show last October. He was signing autographs and CDs for fans and he talked to me for a bit and even took pics. My phone camera was barley working and even then he still had the patience to try multiple times. I told him the The Black Dahlia Murder was the only band I ever listen too, which was not exactly true, but pretty close to true since they completely influenced my musical style.
Trevor pointed out my Misfits shirt and I stuttered a bit and then he pointed to the Misfits tattoo on his leg and we both had a laugh. I wish I had talked to him more. I heard him talking to others about how he was excited he was to go bowling in Chelsea.
I wish I could have said more to him and know how things were for him then. I wish I could have known him better. I'm crying a bit as I type this because literally his band meant more to me than any other music in the world no lie.
I hope he finds the peace in death that he was lacking in life.
Trevor Strnad has done more for getting people into "true metal" than all the people calling them posers. Trevor showed that you didn't have to look like the big, spooky dude and needed to wear the black tshirt. Kinda makes the whole "poser" thing kind of ironic in that regard. Travor was always shouting out underground bands and gave people a gateway into more extreme forms of music. Anyone screeching about how they "ruined this and that" has their head up their ass.
Exactly. There's no way that guy could even know if he would enjoy TBDM or not because his head is so far up his own ass that he can't hear the music.
@Dragon Ball fans can't read nice argument
@Dawn Razor google is your friend. This shit is super easy to find lmao
@Dawn Razor look up Trevor Strnad, the obituarist, he also was the one who helped vulvodynia, there’s plenty of screenshots of him talking to smaller bands that those bands took screenshots of. There’s a pretty easy paper trail if you simply use google.
@Dawn Razor k
I've been dealing with depression a long time. I use jokes to cope, be they puns, word play, crude situational humor, even dad jokes. I make suicide jokes. A lot. Having been on that brink, I saw it as gallows humor. I've made them to friends and family. They know it's what I do and how I deal with it.
When I read the news yesterday, I had to fist fight every fiber of my being to not cry. I was at work. I took care of people that are dying and in pain with that heartbreak, and I felt every second of it. I learned to sing from emulating Trevor and Randy Blythe. I never met the man, but we all knew he loved us.
I'll never make a suicide joke again. I won't leave anyone feeling like this. I miss him, this is how I'll remember him. How i'll honor him.
So to this rat human. This desecrated husk of unbridled jealousy capitalizing on the death of a man whose love is unquestioned, remember there will be no one like him again. And you're a fucking meme.
Hey bro. That hit me hard and not just because I've battled depression and suicidal ideations my whole life or that I work with people in the same circumstances that you do. I have that same gallows humor and I'll tell ya that Trevor did too (and he was fuckin hilarious). Hell, the people who do the kind of work we do end up having a dark sense of humor, even if they didn't before. It's quite a normal and healthy way to cope. I'm lucky enough to have known Trevor since the mid 00's and he was such an amazing human being. I'll also tell you that he did in fact love all his fans, whether you met him or not. I know that all successful musicians say that, but I got to see that he actually meant that first hand over the years. Trevor had a huge heart man. Losing him has been fuckin tough and I'm right here with you in that. I know how much of a toll the kind of work we do can have on a person too. Especially when dealing with your own loss. I just lost both of my parents back to back last year and had to cope while at work too. When you work with the sick and dying and witness that process over and over, it truly shows you the harsh reality of mortality amongst many other things. It's hard, and I commend you for doing what you do. Your patients are lucky to have someone so caring by their sides. Also, I just want to say, it's perfectly fine if you want to give up those kind of jokes, but you don't have to. Especially if it helps you cope. I know for a fact that just living your life and trying your best to live a good one would be the best possible way to honor Trevor's memory and honor him. If you think that is going to help you do that and better yourself, then go for it, my man! Just don't punish yourself is all I'm saying. Trevor would already be proud of you.
I wish you the absolute best, Andrew. You seem like a real good dude who has great things ahead in life. If you need to talk or something, feel free to just hmu. You can always leave a comment on one my videos to make sure I see it (they're only there for family & stuff, I'm not a YTer or anything lol). Keep shredding and stay strong, bro🤘.
@@xenophagia If either one of you two lovely seeming people decides to ever try and hurt yourselves you will have me to deal with. I joke, but this world needs more of the better people in it, and life is a gift that is infinitely unlikely and you cannot get that gift again, you get what you take out of it. On a serious note to both of you, please speak to me if you have any suicidal thoughts again, don't be bastards and do that for me at least lol :)
I lost a friend to suicide last year. His statements honestly Hurt me... I also think about how easily it could have been avoided had I been able to talk to him the night before he jumped infront of a train.
Fuck this guy
Condolences to your friend, Wyatt
I'm so sorry for your loss.
@@CarlReijer-lk2nt Yes, you are
As the guy said in his video, pretty arrogant of you (or anyone) to assume a brief conversation with you or anyone could somehow alter a massive decision like being ready to give up on your own life. Do we think people who commit are so silly that they are giving their life away when it all could have been saved by a quick visit from a friend? Calling suicide easily avoidable is more insulting than anything the other guy said in his video lol
@@bonka_mann you’re seriously gonna respond to someone expressing remorse about their friend who committed suicide with “Um AkShUaLlY yOuRe BeInG aRrOgAnT” dude gfys
@@Asukol unfortunately that's the internet alienating people from proper human interactions. Not defending it anyway.
"Trve metal fans" never cease to amaze me in their sheer cult-like devotion to "defending trve metal from the falses". This guy's entire channel represents the absolute worst of the online metal community and it makes me sick to be constantly reminded that people like this exist. Rest in power Trevor Strnad.
Some people get validation from belonging to some kind of music scene and shitting on everybody else. I mostly listen to Black Metal and I respect musicians from all genres, no matter how cringe they might be, just because I love my own type of cringe so much.
@Dragon Ball fans can't read When was the last time you took a shower?
@Dragon Ball fans can't read Lol. I'll give you that one. That's a good joke
@Dragon Ball fans can't read lol are you on the spectrum or something
@Dragon Ball fans can't read Standards are for normies anyway.
The sad part about this guy is that there are actually people who agree with his sentiment as well.
some people in the comments of that video need a reality check BAD.
Dude it's an opinion. He has an opinion. Attacking him for voicing his opinion..you dont have to like it. Attacking people, demeaning them..no need for it. Not everyone thinks alike. The sooner you realize that, the better. It doesnt make you any less right or wrong. It's an opinion.
@@TtrainInVain okay and when someone says other dumb stuff like for example a racist remark they can just say it’s “an opinion “
@@TtrainInVain I mean, sometimes people are simply wrong. There are such things as just being plain stupid. That should be acknowledged, in the human interest.
@@tyronp8487 where did I give kudos? You let me know when you find that..you know what's worse? Putting words into someone's mouth. I was simply stating the man spoke his opinion and whether you find it wrong or not..is completely subjective. I've met trevor. Great dude. Loved the band. I'm simply saying you shouldn't resort to calling people mentally challenged that have differing views. That is all. I dont agree with anything he said really. I dont think he needs to be attacked for it though.
I saw The Black Dahlia Murder last year, seeing Trevor on stage, now knowing that he’s gone makes that memory seem so much more surreal
Yeah it was like the time when I saw LG Petrov from Entombed back in 2019 and LG giving me a vodka shot then I few years later he died of cancer it’s such a surreal thing RIP.
When I first saw TBDM live when they toured clubs with Exhumed and Atheist in 2011, I was ready to hate on the band, because based on their name I too thought they'd be some cringy Metalcore band. But I was pleasantly surprised that how good they were and they definitely gained a fan that day. He was a really easy going dude and seemed to be a walking talking encyclopedia on old school Death Metal. Absolutely tragic loss.
You still see people labeling TBDM as "metalcore" when in reality they are pretty much straightforward melodic death metal. I never understood the label because I honestly can't find any "core" elements to their music. It's like they just got lumped into the genre because they looked a certain way when they first hit the scene.
Whoever thinks that TBM is metalcore is as dumb as Fox news who called TBM a "black metal" band. Just goes to show that only the people who listen to The Black Dahlia Murder understand what it truly is.
Damn. I'm a follower of his channel who didn't get to see this video before it was removed. All suicides are a great tragedy, and to jump on it like this on the same day is in the worst possible taste. I cannot defend it, and I don't know if I can continue to support him after seeing his views on this, which sucks because his videos did help me to grow as a musician.
As contrary as his views are, the channel does have some genuine insights on songwriting and melodic development which have caused me to rethink my own songwriting. It's easy to dismiss this guy as a closed-minded elitist, but I think there's genuine value in his videos too.
I guess I can be grateful for that whilst still condemning this particular video, but I will be thinking twice about watching his stuff again.
At a concert once Me and a girl i was with at the time, went to the front of the crowd in front of the speakers, getting our ears blown out, at one point we finally get to the center of the stage, and Trevor just high fives me and gives me a grin mid-song, I was so pumped the rest of night, never said a word to me but made my fuckin year in 2 seconds. Fuck it sucks hes gone, I keep having to remind myself that that dude isnt on our earth anymore. 😢😢
I also met Trevor back in 2019 and he was such a cool guy! I talked to him for a little bit and got a selfie. I saw TBDM again back last September and I will never forget how Trevor was so awesome to his fans on stage and off. I will never forget about Trevor and he will live on in our hearts. Again, RIP Trevor.
One word for his video- Oof.
RIP/ RIC Trevor, dude was a colossus whether people like TBDM or not.
What an absolute ballbag. I know nothing about the band in question, but I've learned in the last 24 hours how truly involved in the underground scene the guy was - in a legitimate way. The smallest, up and coming death metal bands he was buying their demo tapes and repping the shirt while on stage with his very large band. That's worth applauding. Seen half a dozen RIP posts from tiny bands where someone has then commented "I got into you guys because Trevor talked about you". Props to that.
Ballbag, what a great swearword thank u
This guys response is fucking disgusting. Trevor was hurting. He doesn't deserve this bullshit being said about him. It blows my mind that people can be so insensitive. Rest easy, Trevor.❤️
Another channel called him a Jesus hating metal singer. The comments on that video were terrible, saying things such as Trevor would burn in hell. Really sad.
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Here in Cincinnati OH there's a local BM band called Valdrin, the lead dude in that band put out an FB post talking about Trevor and how the dude was legit into so much underground music, blew my fucking mind a guy in a long running/successful death metal band knew and kept in contact with a small BM band from Ohio. Trevor really did leave and breathe extreme music of all types. RIP to a legend
Trevor even supported my local south African band vulvodynia , dude didn't care he just loved people
This is most definitely true. Trevor has followed my bands and we have stayed in touch since the first time we played a show together in the mid 00's. He was just a fucking awesome dude like that. I miss him already.
@@tyronp8487 I found out about your band from his playlists. 💔
Besides the fact that this guy has absolutely zero shame and no self respect to be saying this shit about a man who has recently died, his point about TBDM "ruining" metal is just fucking stupid. In general, both newcomers to extreme metal and veterans have given the band overwhelmingly positive reviews. Yes their first couple albums were more core-ish, that's mainly due to the fact they took a lot of inspiration from Slaughter of the Soul. Plenty of great bands started off taking huge inspiration and kinda copying their inspirations until they found their sound. I am into every form of extreme metal and I still have a huge love for the bands music, they have released so many great albums over the years and they were a band that helped many others get into extreme metal. Trevor and TBDM as a whole have made a huge impact on the entirety of metal and there are no words to express how tragic this loss is. RIP Trevor Strnad, fly high.
If it wasn't for them I wouldn't be into Death Metal as much as I am today. The hate these people have for them is just fucking retarded.
There is nothing coreish about At The Gates, what the heck are you smoking dude?
@@zombiemachinery4868 Just because bands like AILD and KSE ripped the Gothenburg sound and then became the giants of the genre it seems anyone else that uses similar sounding riffs just immediately get pegged as metalcore. TBDM have no breakdowns, no cleans, and the lyrics have zero to do with anything hardcore. They are pretty much just a melodic death metal band.
@@skatevidcentral I know right? Nowadays the stuff melodic metal core bands stole is considered coreish according to these illiterates.
@@skatevidcentral You know your stuff my dude.
One point that I thought of, is this: while suicidal ideation can be a prolonged thing and can crop up for a person’s whole life, the actual act of taking one’s own life is usually a semi-impulsive decision brought on by extreme duress.
It’s not anyone’s job to “save” someone, but at the same time, a single friend or person reaching out and stopping someone from committing suicide can make all the difference. That dude from the other video clearly has no understanding of that.
"real metal" i am so fucking exhausted why cant people just worry about themselves lol
Exactly
I cant believe this guy recorded this entire thing, watched it back, and decided it was a great idea to post it. Unbelievable man. RIP Trevor ❤️
Spot on commentary (with the exception of the "easily avoidable" sentence, which you yourself explained in a pinned comment - props to you for rephrasing). On topic, suicide/depression shouldn't be taken lightly, it should be taken seriously. Whoever needs to hear this: you're not alone in this. Reach out, get help.
That dude seams a bitter spoiled cry baby that treats his mom like crap. His mom probably bought his CD collection. He obviously never felt cold clutches of depression. It's horrible. It's a constant feeling of your inside emotions wanting to rip through your skin. Anyone that feels alone you are not!!! my freinds. Their is always some one for you. Learn to reach out. Don't be afraid to say something.
Well said my dude. Many of us care about every decent human being and will be happy to help somebody who needs help or somebody to be there for them.
Yeah this man is insane, he "re-writes" Death song parts to make them "better" as he is a "better" songwriter than Chuck and has written way way way more complex music than Death - that's what he says (I'm not even the biggest Chuck fan, and Death is certainly not the most technical band, idk that's just plain fucking weird) and he compares every modern dm band to Incantation and shits on them. And now this, I just don't fucking know. It's like he really wants attention and just tries to make his shit as controversial as possible to get views and he doesn't even realize it himself. RIP Trevor
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. As a Death fanatic I will visit his videos and leave disparaging comments. Seriously, fuck that dude.
@Dragon Ball fans can't read Yes sure bro whatever
Just remember, when you think you have reached rock bottom online, it can always get worse
Also R.I.P Trevor
RIP Trevor bro. Also, I see you a lot in MFKR-related comment sections
@@22tfortnitevevo i used to get that all the fucking time lmao, i have made my mark on mfkr vids lol, now i only get it from time to time
@@slipknotmfkrlocust8843 mhm yeah
They couldn’t do it due to scheduling but Trevor wanted to take dragged into sunlight out with tbm, he also wanted to take out bands like the rotted and akercocke on U.K. tours, he had an encyclopaedic knowledge of death metal, I remember talking to him about obscure Brazilian death metal. He didn’t hurt metal he used his platform to showcase underground bands, if anything he did the opposite. RIP dude.
Dude Crypta kicks ass!
Akercocke I just learned about from some random metalhead I met on FB recently, crazy enough. Interesting and quite amazing band.
First off, RIP to Trevor, but yeah this dude is off his rocker. I don’t understand how anybody could be so Ice cold towards others, he’s more than likely an undiagnosed (or diagnosed idk this guy) sociopath.
He's for sure an egotist and narcissist. Look at his channel and he has videos where he "fixes" Death songs. I mean the audacity to think you can "fix" Chuck's music and that you know better says all that needs to be said about the type of person the clown is. He's the worst kind of metal elitist, and yes most of us had a phase where we had that mentality but you grow out of it, this dude is like middle aged with the mentality of a teenager.
@@skatevidcentral what's this absolute *douche canoe's* channel anyway?
And *WTF?!!* He seriously has videos _"fixing"_ Chuck's songs? Omfg... 😑
Trevor did more for Metal than that ragstain ever did making that video.
Rest easy Trevor. Thank you so much for everything.
Glad to see you take this guy down. He’s been putting out asinine content for a while.
its fucking shit. I met TBDM in 2007 when they were casting for a new drummer and they flew me over from europe to detroit 2 times and I almost got the spot, it was damn close. Trevor took me to an italian restaurant and after dinner we played super metroit and listened to some other extreme bands. He was a true metal enthusiast
Damn thanks for the story dude
ive seen a lot of people say that "telling suicidal people to not do it because of how other people will be affected is selfish" i get the logic, but it shows such little understanding of what it is to be suicidal. i havestruggled with suicidal thoughts and self harm for about two years, ive attempted suicide twice, both times were when i felt like absolutely no one cared, im still suicidal and i still want to die but thinking about my friends and parents and stuff is generally enough to stop me doing smt bad
That line is usually used in an accusatory or shameful manner, which is not supportive, and can often reinforce the perception of being a burden on others, which is common for suicidal ideation. That is, if your thought is, "my friends and family are better off without me" then someone yelling at you about how your death would be a burden on them isn't helpful. If you're experiencing suicidal thoughts and you yourself find comfort in thinking about loved ones, that's great, but that's different than someone using your relationships to shame you for being suicidal.
I'm in a similar boat, for me i think my cat just existing and needing me as his mama has probably saved my life a couple of times. "if you die who's going to feed your cat and have dinner with your mom and greet your neighbors every day?" may seem flippant and irrational, but mental illness is irrational, lol. I'm glad you're still here by the way. thank you for being so strong! 🫂
@@moonlightequilibrium Those are actually completely rational thoughts (not the suicide part ofc) and perfectly good reasons to live. Similar things keep me going too, as well as my family & my wife. I'm grateful that my own attempts failed and am lucky to have found my own reasons to live. I still struggle with not wanting to exist and wanting to be freed my physical prison, but I do not want to KMS anymore (if any of that makes sense). That time for me will come when it does. So I just keep hanging on for the ride and try my to make it the best one I possibly can. I'll get an entire eternity of not existing and only years to live, so I personally gave up on cutting the living part short. Anyway, I wish you, your cat, and OP the very best and I hope that you both stay along for the ride with me. 🤘
I sincerely hope that man is a troll, although I don't even know if that would make the video "more acceptable".
His entire channel is delusional asf, I would be very surprised if he’s trolling
oh, THAT guy lol…
I know him because of the video "Blood Incantation sucks and here's why" where he just cries for half an hour about how we need to gatekeep (even more than we already do). I do consider myself to be somewhat of an ELiTiSt, but he is on a whole another level lmao.
I also find his mic really funny.
Yeah.
Mis mic looks like something I’d find on eBay.
Like a real cheap piezo mic.
@@SlyHikari03 He is also a member of a (I believe now defunct) metal band, I don't remember the name. Gotta be the least technical tech death I've ever heard.
edit: got it, Ara - Judisprudence
I've seen this dude too. He believes he holds all the answers. ESPECIALLY when it comes to music.
@@felixrr7381 oh, that was supposed to be tech death? huh
@@nachfullbarertrank5230 Ikr, but that's what he says in the video or in the comments I believe
When he said "Trevor's death was more metal than anything else " is the equivalent of Euronymous saying" dead died for black metal" it's just sociopaths and clowns making dumb statements
Jesus is Lord
Thing is it would be interpreted as a very metal type of statement or attitude wether you like it or not. Suicide is actually more diverse in its decisions than one gives it’s own perception at.
@@NeroAngelo616 Whatever. Jesus is Lord
@@ryanmozert it is what it is, i'm afraid.
@@NeroAngelo616 No, it isn't. Suicide is the antithesis of metal. It should be about strenght and community.
I died a little inside yesterday when I found out trevor died I been a fan of them for 11 years it was ironically one of the first death metal bands I got into they got me out of dark places multiple times I would see them every time they toured
I saw one of this guy's videos a while back, it was basically him nitpicking at the structures of Death songs. Talking about Chuck Schuldiner, a man who has been dead for almost 20 years and is well credited in the metal community, and how his song writing is awful to say the least. This man has no respect and no credibility.
@Dragon Ball fans can't read Vigna, Lemay, Schuldiner. Trey Azagthoth is the most overrated death metal guitarist ever. Dude is sloppy as hell, constantly resorts to whammy bar nonsense, and plagues any great Morbid Angel song with his pentatonic blues bullshit. Literally every solo. Even when he starts with something cool, he falls into the pentatonic trap and ruins the vibe of the song. He has written some great riffs but too many terrible ones as well. I own their entire discography and they are way overhyped. Vincent is an embarrassing frontman and Pete "The Cheat" Sandoval triggers his fucking snare drum of all things.
@Iron Reagan chuck was an extremely mediocre songwriter. Death as a band is just watered down death metal for normies who can’t handle actual death metal.
A long time ago, I considered attempting suicide because I was being bullied at school and had to deal with an abusive father. People have told me how selfish it is for me to do attempt it. I wanted to do it because I felt like it would let my misery go away forever and I wanted to be happy in heaven rather than be miserable on earth with the situation I was in. People still act like assholes towards me when it comes to whenever I talk about my mental health journey and my history with ableism as I have Autism, GAD, and Depression. I just wanted to be happy. What Mr. Actually said about one of the members of Atheist telling Trevor that he could talk to them made me really mad. Saying to somebody who's trying to help someone out of attempting suicide that they're selfish just adds to the stigma of mental health.
That dude is just "bald Euronymous". I suspect his dog or whatever will get sick of hearing his videos and take a dump 23 times on his carpet just to spite him.
dude living in his moms basement, talking shit on a legenddddd. RIP Trevor.
I agree with you for most of what you say in this video - but I do want to nitpick one thing. I don't think it's so simple to call suicide selfish, because a lot of times people ARE thinking about their friends and loved ones when they want to kill themselves. From my own experience (and talking to others who have had these thoughts and/or attempts) they often feel like a burden to others and they genuinely believe their loved ones would be better off without them. It gets even messier because sometimes when you're in a dark place for a while, you can legitimately start to be a bit of a burden on others, and friends will often start distancing themselves from you - which validates that perspective.
Yes, thank you. 25 years of dealing with this shit. Just want it to be quiet for once.
dude lives in his moms basement... literally you _can tell he's in a basement in the video_ so yeh, it's confirmed.
he claims it’s not due to the sunlight but either way he’s a loser that does nothing better than the shit he talks
Yeah, TBDM’s popularity is ONLY due to Trevor’s magnetic personality. It has NOTHING to do with the legendary talent that the band has employed through their career, how they toured the world times over on as many bills as they can humanly handle in a year, the technicality & speed of their music, Trevor’s wide vocal range & power, the quality of execution in a live setting..
This man (Mr. Ackshually) must have some really nice plans to boost the metal community the way that Trevor has over the years with his constant support of underplayed/unknown acts- just as soon as he finishes his plate of tendies. I bet he’s got a folder of riffs on his computer that will bring the metal world to it’s knees, as soon he finds some trve players that can handle how kvlt the songs are.
Like seriously, that man needs to get a fucking life & touch grass. Thanks for calling out this absolute turd. Trevor was a hero for all of us in heavy music, and the metal community now has a gaping hole in it’s heart without him. He was a friend to all of us, and personally a supporter of one of my projects.
yeah idk how this band was not real metal
The point that he was making is that to espouse the platitude, for the purpose of stroking your own social media ego, of "talking someone down from the ledge", after they've already "jumped", without first regarding that person's quality of life, at the inferred expense of that person living in misery for your pleasure or comfort, is about the most selfish and unsympathetic behavior in which a person could engage.
His commentary was colored a bit by his disdain of the band, but that wasn't the point of the video.
This isn't to start an argument, it's an offering of perspective.
Well that’s still better than allowing someone to jump . There’s literally no empathy with that notion and I rather read that from the guy from Atheist than him saying “ahh they’re screwed just let them die”.
I understand you’re trying to give me another viewpoint so I’m not so one sided with this topic but I’ll always be dead set on my stance.
This is an overly simplistic, reductive take on suicide.
Trevor’s death shocked me a lot, it was one of those were I was in denial about it same about LG Petrov. As back in my high school days I was listening to Deflorate all the time. This guy seems to me he wants to be trve and it’s borderline cringe. And it makes me mad that some people agree with this dude aswell. As a person with severe anxiety and depression these people makes me hate humanity even more then I already do. RIP Trevor
I got to met Trevor a few years ago at the show they were playing and man he really is the most humble nicest person you’ll met.. he gave me free guitar picks that was 5$ didn’t have to do that at all and gave a discount on his band shirts too.. didn’t have to do that either.. the man would go beyond to make someone feel good and just supporting the music scene. The hold thing the guy has said is highly gross. mental health issues is a big problem even the nicest people who you never expected even I deal with it.
The guy gives me Jason Blaha vibes, except for lifting weights, he's into music. He has no clue how great Trevor was, and will still be in our memories.
I left like 10 comments on that video. Trevor Stnrad is one of if not the greatest frontman in modern metal. I saw TBDM live and I was absolutely shocked by the quality of the performance they put on. Absolute greatness. The world of metal will never be the same.
@Dragon Ball fans can't read Please do elaborate
@@ashleybrown4754 he wont. He is a piece of crap gatekeeper who likes to piss off people
A friend of mine committed assisted suicide... He had a lot of permanent severe mental illnesses.
It took him years to get to this. He wanted to avoid having to do it ''the messy way''. I am very very sad that he left. But at the same time he really really wanted this. He was more happy towards the end. We miss him. He was so brave.
I understand where you are coming from though. Please try your best to prevent that from happening (if you can).
Dude couldn’t agree more. You’re the man Wyatt
The comparison to the "Akshully" meme is sadly way too fitting and he even goes further, this dude's really something else.
Promoting suicide as a fully conscious choice is just really messer up
Thank you for doing this reply video.
I lost mysister to suicide 8 years ago and this dudes hateful video about the topic really angered me.
Rip Trevor, King of the nightworld
Unhollowed is the reason I even got into metal. That CD helped me discover other bands like Nile, Dying Fetus and then later dark funeral and belphagor and this was back when the cd first came out. I'll never forget when The black dahlia murder, Dying fetus, commit suicide and cattle Decapitation came to our old podunk town of Hagerstown Maryland. Was one of the greatest nights of my life and I think I was about 16 at the time, 33 now. It was such a small venue that we all got to hang out with all the bands and even help them with all their equipment. After the show me and acouple of my best friends had some really amazing weed which was super rare for our area and time but we were honored to share it with Trevor and their guitarist and drummer. They told us so many cool stories and were some of the friendly and humble guys we've ever met. Me and my buddies were gushing over them and thanking them all night for coming to our tiny shitty town and playing for only like 25 people and they put up with us like Champs and even drove us in their stinky tour van to waffle house. I'll never forget Trevor and that night.
Sounds personal. His girl must've cheated on him with somebody in the band lol
maybe with trevor but i doubt it pretty much 100%
Words can't describe how I felt after the news of Trevor's passing. Giving context here, TBDM was basically my FIRST concert experience. Headlining alongside Suffocation, The Zenith Passage, Necrot, and Wormwitch. That day still remains as one of my most amazing experiences. After that I saw them again when they did a mini tour, another amazing performance. Back during high school TBDM was pretty much that bridge I needed to get into more extreme metal. The closest thing I was able to go back then that was considered heavy for me was Sepultura's early stuff and Kreator's. Then TBDM came along and changed everything, since then I been a huge fan of the underground. The amount of playlists, albums, eps, and merchandise I acquired over the years is a testament to that. I never spoken to Trevor personally, but I'll be in denial if I didn't say his lyrics were definitely some of the most comforting. A good portion of the TBDM songs definitely touched on the subject of mental illness and suicide. As an individual that struggled with such things it was a relatable stance. It was probably because of that, also mix in their blend of death metal that I became a devoted fan since high school. While I don't listen to much TBDM now like I use to (more nowadays leaning towards black metal, doomy stuff, ambience and what not). I still nonetheless respect them with high regard. Trevor has introduced me to a slew of killer artists and I'm grateful for that. I'll definitely never forget seeing TBDM twice, seeing Trevor on stage filled with energy. I can only imagine what lingered deep within his battles. Rest In Power Trevor, you'll be very dearly missed.
he took down the vid, not a true edge lord at all.
Never cared much for TBDM, but Trevor seemed like a very passionate and down-to-earth man. A musician who earns their reputation through their works and wisdom should be respected. May he rest in peace.
I don't think he said that you have to let people kill themselves. He said that people reveal their ecocentric side by saying "you should have kept on because of ME". I don't know if I agree with the dude, but that was his point.
As someone who suffered from depression and almost successfully committed suicide multiple times throughout the years, hearing about Trevor Strnad passing really broken my heart. I didn't even know about his passing until one of my friends posted it on snap. Hearing this guy talking down on the legend who showed love and supported small and huge bands really got me super pissed, but to blame us face for "not letting him end his life" struck a nerve to me completely
Hit the nail on the head buddy 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Yo.
@@invincibleunderthesun8545 No
That guy is the reason metalheads can’t sit with the cool kids. .-. Satisfying response Video my friend! You earned a subscriber here.
Metal elitists just seem so much more annoying and cancerous to me than elitists of other genres. Like who gives a shit if someone likes something you don’t? Go listen to your acoustic nsbm recorded on a cassette tape in a forest and remember to change your diapers when you accidentally listen to anything remotely popular.
@Dragon Ball fans can't read What culture exactly? Being a murderous scumbag like Varg Vikerens or becoming a strung out drug addict that dies an early death like Alexi Laiho? A culture of elitism and gatekeeping and one-upping each other about who or what is more "metal"?
If anything the people like this guy claiming to preserve the culture are in fact doing the exact opposite, making the culture look pathetic and full of sociopaths and degenerates. If that's what metal is to you you can have it.
This pain won't ever go away for sure
He says that TBDM isn't "trve", but Reciept is far darker than most BM or DM songs.
On another note: please reach out to friends who may be a bit down or are in a dark place. It may not be much to you, but it may mean the world to them if you just listened to their struggles and try to help them out.
TBDM is an amazing band. Trevor's voice was so damn unique. They got me through seriously rough times. Their music got me through friends commiting suicide. This guy talking about Trevor's suicide is a joke. Trevor doesn't deserve to have this said or spoken about him. Trevor is a legend in the metal community. He will always be a legend. RIP Trevor.
Man you spoke with such feeling! Yo didn’t bs and knew what say about all this …
Thanks for the respect to Trevor and Spite Suicide!
Sorry to hear about your friend. I lost countless friends to drugs and wish they had gotten help.
i never liiked tbdm, but have always had a love for trevor as a vocalist, lyricist and general human being. he was one of the most promenant and successful figures in modern extreme metal and still managed to support smaller bands and artists in the scene,
As someone who's taken the leap off the ledge and has had to talk others down from it, it's honestly just the talking that helps. Just knowing that in the moment where you feel most alone, somebody is there. Very few people take their own lives right in front of other people or over the phone/livestream.
Thanks for sharing, I couldn’t agree more with everything you said
This guy sounds like hes talking with mucus all in his throat
I think we should never judge or shame someone for considering or actually committing suicide, but we should also do EVERYTHING we can do make sure that they know there are reasons to stick around. We should help them as much as possible. Calling Trevor's suicide the "only time he was more metal than atheist's vocalist" is absolutely unforgiveable. As someone who's been suicidally depressed and had family experience the same, I think it isn't selfish to take one's life due to the sheer amount of suffering one has to experience to be driven to take such a decision. However encouraging it and celebrating it as "metal" is honestly unforgiveable. To clarify I don't think it's selfish to want your friend to stick around and not end their lives. I think some situations are just shit for everyone involved.
Edit: You keep saying "easily avoidable" but it really, really isn't, usually it's a chronic, treatment resistent issue that goes on for many years and doesn't go away regardless of what you try. If it was easily avoidable people wouldn't be dropping left and right due to suicide.
Also, I'm really sorry you and everyone else had to go through your frend's suicide. Nobody deserves that, like you said.
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@@wyattxhim Just read it. I hear you, it is actually now inevitable for anyone technically, some of us are just less fortunate with the treatment of our Depression. I've been treated with 3 SSRI, 1 NDRI, 1 other antidepressant, 1 tricyclic antidepressant, 2 mood stabilizers, and 1 antipsychotic. Literally everything has been useless, as well as 7 years of many kinds of therapy. But yes, I agree we should do our absolute best to prevent it. Depression is a unique disease in the sense that it truly makes you unable to fight it, usually diseases don't render you completely unable to fight it. I'm sorry you had to go through losing your friend, and as you said it was due to factors beyond your control. Never blame yourself my man, sorry you had to deal with the dipship who made the video.
I've dealt with suicidal ideation for 25 years now. It's severe and treatment resistant and I agree with you fully. I'm really only here to type this comment because of the shame, placed on me by others, for how I feel. I can guarantee that a suicidal person has beat themselves up over not being able to find strength in their friends and family. I know that the general consensus is that suicide is selfish, but we tend to think the same of the guy trying to talk us into living when we're that low. There is no perfect solution to resolving a suicide. I'm glad to see that OP pinned the rephrasing of his original comment.
Idk, I just felt compelled to comment and say that I understand exactly what you mean by what you said. Not sure if my comment comes across as shitting on the OP; I'm not, I promise.
" I'm not here to celebrate or anything, but I gotta say that I've always loathed this band, think they completely ruined modern metal and they're only popular because Trevor was nice."
* continues to do a victory lap for 15 minutes *
If you think talking to someone can prevent suicide - that it can be “easily avoided” - then you really don’t understand suicide, nor the circumstances leading up to it, at all.
Read the pin comment
While I think it can be dangerous to offer untrained help to people with suicidal thoughts, sometimes people need to vent their dark thoughts in order to just start to release themselves from it. Especially when there's an event like that. Sure, it's not the only solution and people will need further professional help, but when the thoughts are just there, echoing and echoing in the head, they can grow bigger every time they appear. So they can feel there's a way out...
With all that said, although didn't follow Black Dahlia Murder career, RIP Trevor and all my condolences to the fans and family :/
I think the biggest thing that everyone keeps getting wrong I keep hearing was, “this could have easily been avoided.” As someone who has lost 4 friends and a family member to suicide, I have to completely disagree.
You are not designed to want to have harm come to you. You will have a hard time biting through one of your fingers even though it takes the same strength to bite through it that you’d need for a baby carrot. And there is a reason why you have many people have that last minute change of heart. When you’re at a point of actually taking those steps, you’re not thinking rationally, you aren’t fully there anymore. No one would want to hurt their family in that way on purpose, and most people don’t have the mental capacity to actually do it.
Am I saying do nothing? Of course not. But every day I sit there and I think back on all of them and I always ask myself what could I have done differently? Each case for me was different from each other. But at the end of the day some amazing human beings ended up carrying out actions that hurt the most.
If it actually was as easy as you and so many say, I don’t think it would have happened. But the fact that we have access to all these resources and it still is prevalent clearly shows it’s not just something easily avoided. If it was, I’d have my friends and my mother. But sadly it’s complicated, it’s hard, and it’s painful. So now we have the chance to try to move forward, and improve our resources and ways to help others. It’s not enough to just tell the people who are suffering to get help.
To change this we have to change society, we have to be caring, loving, accepting, and nurturing towards each other. It’s the least we can do for the ones we lost needlessly.
Well I’m sorry for those events that took place in your life.
I understand it’s a complicated subject that dives more into the psychological aspect of an individual.
When I said “it’s the most avoidable way of someone losing their life” I mean this in the sense of other ways of passing. (Diseases , old age , etc)
As complicating as it is there’s still resources to prevent it. It doesn’t nor should it be this inevitable thing. Maybe I’m just stubborn cause I keep thinking still about how my friend should still be with me or how I almost lost another friend 7 months ago cause of certain situations.
@@wyattxhim me,me,I,I.
You’re the reason I made the video.
@@scaleitback1055 congrats on learning your pronouns, I guess.
@@wyattxhim yes there are resources to prevent it. But you need to keep in mind many people don’t have access to it. Another thing you need to keep in mind as well is that you don’t know if someone like Trevor was seeking help.
I can only speak anecdotally, but I watched my mother seek help. My mom had access to some amazing doctors and any medication. She needed. And I watched her as she followed everyone’s advice down to a t. But I also saw it’s limitations, I saw the flaws. Remember as well, Chester from Linkin Park. He was very open about his struggles, about people seeking help, and about him trying to get him and seeing doctors.
I’d actually love to speak to you about this in person if you have a discord or something. No arguments or dumb shit, an actual discussion because I believe it’s important. I think we also see more eye to eye than you think. Again this isn’t an attack on you, I hope you can understand that.
@@withinthrall1445 again I’m sorry to hear this and I’m aware you understand where I’m coming as I do too you as well.
I guess I just hear a lot about how these resources helped out people I know (my friend 7 months ago attempted suicide thankfully failed at it).
I’m not saying I’m absolutely correct with my remark of “it’s easily the most avoidable death” but I’m explaining how I guess in a sense that my friends suicide from 8 years ago shouldn’t of happened in any situation.
Yo dude, idk if you remember me, we went to middle school together. I just want to say how admirable you are bro. This death really affected me, Trevor being such a huge inspiration in my life, and maybe I'm wrong but it sounded like you may have been speaking about Westgate, if you were, mannnn did this speak to me, I was so hurt by westgates death man I can't even describe, I think about him every day. Anyway dude I'd love to catch up some time and talk about metal stuff if your still in the new b area, just know It makes me so happy that your doing your thing here on RUclips
Subbed for "MR ACKSHUALLY" part. Had me dead 💀 Good stuff keep it up
That microphone the guy is holding, replicates his manhood and morality.
I may not have been big on TBDM or agreed with his politics but I gotta give Trevor credit, his knowledge on metal and his dedication to finding more underground bands and giving them exposure was very cool. Rip.
He had politics?
@@yerusalem4832 very left leaning.
We always get that 1. The edge lord. I don't even know what to say to him. But he damn sure does look like that meme
Trevor was awesome! The band was awesome! Excellent music! Through and through!
I love that you made this video.
This dude hurts metal.
Haven't followed the band for a really long time, but I remember seeing them open for The Haunted in 2005, and I just remember they put on a really good show and Trevor seemed like a hilarious guy. That's all I really have to say about this, other than that I'm especially sad for his friends and family.
Sometimes I worry that the online metal community is just a toxic cesspool of elitism, so it's reassuring when an actual elitist prick shows up to try and capitalise on someone's death (on the same day it happens no less), the result is response videos like this. Good video, troll or not, what this guy said is absolutely vile.
I think they are a really good band. I hated the goofy hipster image they had for the longest time. However, Trevor gave shout outs to my band on a few different platforms. He shouted us out in our home town. He had no clue we were there. After getting to know Trevor, I knew he was a true metal head. He used goofiness and jokes at his own expense all the time. Alot of people who deal with depression do that. Unfortunately Trevor could have gotten some help. He probably just needed an antidepressant. But, I realized he was a really nice guy. He was exceptionally polite to me and the people around me. Prayers to his family and and his band mates. RIP
The tiny mic my guy has is certainly a metaphor.
probably had a botched bris nor do i condone any and some jews have even stopped
When I was younger, and even two years ago, I was on the edge of suicide. Amazing how a gun barrel tastes, you never forget it. I was at the lowest points of my life.
If I'd have pulled the trigger two years ago when I last had a Kimber in my maw, I'd have never gotten back with the best person I've ever met. I'd have never gotten married. And I'd have never gotten the love of my life pregnant and be ready to bring new life into this world.
To think it's selfish to want to stop people from killing themselves.... that's infuriating. Sometimes we get so blinded to the darkness in our lives we forget that we can find a way out. There is some form of salvation. And we can find another reason to stay alive.
I've had a cousin commit suicide, almost 20 years ago now. His daughter just became the first on our maternal side of the family to graduate from college. He'd have been so proud. But one moment of weakness lead to a decision there was no going back from. He used liquid cough syrup to swallow an entire cabinet of pills because his wife cheated on him. He parked his truck in the woods in a Louisiana summer, and his body wasn't found for a week. Closed casket funerals aren't fun. There's no real closure.
My point is. There's nothing selfish about trying to save someone from killing themselves. We all have a reason to live. Sometimes our inner demons blind us to that. And that's when we make that mistake of pulling the trigger or kicking the chair.
I'll stay alive as long as I can. For my wife. For my child. To be able to tell the story of my life and teach lessons
I saw that video pop up and didn't click on, for no apparent reason, he could've been making some very heartfelt points. If i'd have seen that before seeing this, I don't know what i'd have commented.
this is the first time in years i've heard anyone on youtube say "retard" in years and it's great
I can’t believe he said it’s metal to commit suicide wtf that’s fucking horrible
First thing this guy reminded me of is all the boomers on Sea of Tranquility that constantly bash Nirvana and Slipknot for having depressing lyrics that their sons like.
I've been at the breaking point before. I've been three inches away from my knife and it would've been so easy to just end it, but I held on. I knew there were people who would wish they could've done something.
To say it's selfish to want to talk someone out of suicide is the most fucking asinine point about the topic. This man has obviously never lost someone or even almost lost someone to suicide.
To take someone's suicide and go and say that it was the most metal thing he's done, is a fucking vile and horrendous thing to do. Metal is a lot of things, and yes in metal you will find songs about murder and even suicide, but there's a line between music and reality. And when someone tragically takes their own life and you say some vile shit like that, you've crossed that line.
Metal is about unfiltered expression, people like this who gatekeep music and then go to say shit like this aren't true metalheads. They're the same as people who think that only classical music is true music. They fail to understand the true nature of art as a medium of self expression and creativity where good and bad are completely subjective. Instead they see music as something that's quality objectively measured using a checklist of techniques or stylistic influences it has.
I know this has been long but people like this really piss me the fuck off.
I like you, really good opinions here across the board. Please stay away from thoughts of self harm in future if you can. Life is too precious bud.
Grief is necessary but does pass into happy memories.
TBDM is in no way an easy band to listen to if youre not into metal. I think its a disservice to call them boring and easy going accessible music when they really were one of the bands that defined melodic death metal and helped pave the path for so many other bands regardless of the genre. trevor was one of the nicest people i have ever met and he was vocal and adamant about mental health and supporting those around you. he will be missed and the metal scene would not be the same without his impact.
@Dragon Ball fans can't read "metalcore framework" I love that you manufacture bullshit terms to support your viewpoints. Do tell what exactly this "framework" is.
@Dragon Ball fans can't read And of course you can't even explain what it means and resort to name calling. You are clearly thinking within an 8th grade framework. See I can manufacture bullshit terms too.
what fucking universe is trying to help someone through something selfish what an asshole. Rest in power Trevor Strnad
Hey mate I appreciate what you're saying because I woke up to news of Trevor's death and it brought me to tears. To say he was HUGE in my musicial life is an understatement. I don't know who ol mate is, don't know why he's using a tradegy for clout by shitting on Trevor and BDM but his main gripe was with the Atheist vocalist. Trevor was very open about his struggles with mental health and the avenues he had taken to try and turn himself around. He had time off during COVID. He's one of the most respected vocalists in one of the most seminal, hugely influential bands in modern metal with a storied 20 year career, so many accolades, everyone loved him, he was living his dream, he has a missus who adores him and worships him and still with all of that he fell it necessary to end his life. He had tried the meds and drugs and talking and therapy and he still didn't see a way out. Some times feelings are temporary but some people's suffering is ongoing. If that's what brings them peace then who are we to force them to keep going for us ? R.I.P Trevor
I look at it cause I’ve heard so many stories from people saying they’ve wanted/attempted suicide to realize they still have a lot to live for.
Attempting suicide within those moments cuts away so much that’s yet to happen in life. I understand it’s an ongoing mental battle no matter what there’s always another thing to experience in life. Call me overly Optimistic with that takes my take.
@@wyattxhim I stand firmly with you on this my brother.
I won't lie. I never heard of Trevor or his band until I read of his death.
Only recently have I gotten into the whole death metal thing. It was always a bit too much and too silly for me.
I listened to good last album TWICE in the last two days. I never knew what melodic death metal was but it could hear the difference in this band and plan to explore it more.
RIP.