This video told a lot of truth at the end. My Dad loves motorcycling and bougth a GS because its ``the best bike of course``. He only went to 3 trips in 4 years of owning it. Scared that if he dropped it he wouldnt have the money to rapair it.
So sad. Should sell it and get a 90s cb500. Or maybe a Honda nc 700. Anything cheap. Some French magazine rode that over 200 000km. Some German dude( interview by Austrias 1000ps) rode one through the Sahara.
@@samuelboldt232 doesn't need much. Though a good point for newer bikes between 50-90 ish hp for 3-6 k used rather than something 90s for 1.5 -3 is the fuel consumption. Something like 4.1-5 l rather than 5-6.5
To be fair, that's a bit of a boomer thing, they buy a lot of toys they don't use or need because they're swimming in cash from unprecedented strong economic times
@@Matt-vo1ge I believe it calls to the extent of narrative components that we kind of missed with the reviews for bikes like the ZX4RR's, where it was very technical, maybe a couple jokes, but overall a very clinical type of video.
@@zphayde yeah, the fact that zx4rr didnt get cinematic masterpiecie from F9 will be on of the biggest loses for us, audience. This bike just screams for one
Yes, I too loved the conclusion of the video. If you have plenty of money to buy an expensive bike like the 1300GS, God bless you and go have fun! But I remember when doing a short touring ride through the hills of Nevada and stopped at a small shopping center for travelers. I had my relatively inexpensive DR650 that was well modded out for adventure riding. There was another rider with his slightly banged up, cheap-looking, small Suzuki cruiser with a rack and duffle bags bungee corded all together. Young guy probably in his 20's. We chatted. He was having such a blast on his trip. Smiling and just full of excitement. I'll never forget that.
The problem with expensive shit is that it will start owning you rather than have you own it. There’s a lot to be said for owning a dr650 and a leatherman over a GS and an iPhone
True, but that's basically the same argument people use against all expensive bikes and cars. You can arguably have almost as much fun with a far less expensive bike as you would with the BMW R series GS, but that doesn't take away that it remains pretty much the Master Class bike. And if really you have the money to spend on these bikes without having to mortgage the home or something like that, I doubt you'll care too much about dropping or even crashing it.
Can I pick it up without breaking sweat? Can I fix it with the tools the bike came with? Can I afford it without getting into debt? Three rules for travelling by motorcycle.
@@tjroelsma The point isn’t that fun can also be had elsewhere, rather that there’s a big difference between being able to afford one of these bikes and being able to afford having to completely rebuild one if you crash it somewhere in the boonies. If you can’t afford the latter, it’s much more sensible to own something raggedy, simple and cheap because it’s only a marginally worse experience while actually being able to experience it.
Best thing in the Video is the typo from the BMW Assist voice. "How many I help you?" Even funnier is that the typo carried over to the german AI Voice "Wie vielen helfe ich Ihnen?"
I also like that Ryan is rocking the fashion leitmotif of the stereotypical RXXXXGS rider -- all his outfit is missing is the BMW branding. Yeah, I'm a BMW GS hater ;-)
I really resonate with the conclusion of this video. I ride a 2007 Fz6 that i bought in early 2023 for €2700 with 12.000km on it. The previous owners rode less than 800km per year. In the following 17 months i have ridden it 30.000km, through all weather, and been to 11 different countries and 4 different mountain ranges with it. It has never let me down. In that time it has had a valve service, a chain and sprocket, 3 new tires, 6 oil changes, installed a used set of hard cases, a topcase and heated grips. As well as about 1500 liter of expensive European petrol. All combined it cost me probably 2.5x the purchase price of the bike in less than 2 years of riding it. I have the money to buy the ideal bike and not go on many trips, or to buy a not so ideal bike and go on many trips. I rather spend my money on the older bike which is not ideal and make the trips, than have the ideal bike which just sits at home while i work.
Same same. I'm dreaming about changing bikes often, but every time I go back to the same thought: "new bike wouldn't change how much time I have for riding". Because by buying a different bike we often really dream not of a different bike, but of a different life that their marketing teams are telling us we will have.
I on the other hand don't have the time to put in 30k a year. If I get in 3k, I've done very well for that year. If I'm gonna be limited so much, I may as well go whole hog and enjoy the big fat bike the few times I do get out. I get what you're saying though. No point spending so much if it limits what you can do. In my case, I'm already limited by time anyway, so that's not a problem. lol
If you do, you won't be using a BMW service manual to fix the thing. And you'll be spending a small fortune replacing the failed sensors/switches/computers/servos that can only be purchased from a dealer.
@@bobdobbs3360 Sadly, the cost of the repair parts have been an issue for a long time. About 20 years ago, my cousin essentially gave his late 70's R 65 to the dealer when he found that the cost to replace the broken switch gear was more than the running motorcycle was worth.
I used to think Camissa was the best automotive journalist alive. I dont even care about motorbikes. I keep coming back for the superb writing and storytelling about design. Congratulations Fortnine crew, youre among the best in the world, if not the best.
I love Cammisa-- you can find me in the comment section of most videos out there of him-- he's not Chris Harris or Jeremy Clarkson. Look at the clusterf*ck marketting propaganda the Cybertruck vid is, Clarkson would never. We all have our poster journalists but Ryan definitely get closest to the latter than Discount Sandler. To me, the fact we're even thinking about them in the same headspace means a lot about the quality of the content they're producing!
Many years ago, my friend and I got some cheap Chinese 150cc dirt bikes and rode across Central and South America, we didn't have much money, bought gym bags and strapped them onto our bikes. We went across the Amazon rainforest and over the Bolivian Andes and the Atamaca desert, and yes our bikes broke regularly but we had memories of a lifetime. We met guys on their BMW 1200GS and F800, but they were afraid for their bikes and stuck to only good roads.
In Germany BMW sells as many GS' as the next four competitors in the top 5 combined. Ever since the GS 1200. You see them everywhere. Saturdays, being polished in the driveway of their owners. Sundays, in front of the nearest biker café. On trailers behind expensive cars, on the way to vacation in the Austrian or Italian Alps. But on the road or on trails.... No, not that I could recall.
Not just in Germany. All over Europe you can observe what you described. It´s a "status quo" that says you have wealth\money and also ZERO skills. I bought an used full extra GSXR with 3500Km and big chicken strips on the tyres... that bike was never rode as it was supposed to but it had all the fancy sport package colours that everyone could see! Cheers and ride safe!
Usual BS. The more you are away from home, the more you see. Even off-road. Café. That's right. GS drivers also need and want a break from time to time. Not as many as others, of course. Of course, the chance of meeting them in a cafe is quite big... because there's a lot on the street.
In Germany, where you see a lot of GSs, you notice one thing: This bike is under utilized. Most people that can afford the GS are way retired or almost retiring - their reflexes are not as good anymore, they aren‘t as in shape and have their stiff necks or shot knees. They can‘t use the GS off-road because it‘s to heavy, they can‘t fling it round the Alps because they can‘t turn their head far enough for the switchbacks and so on. Nothing the bike offers really gets used so it‘s mostly a rolling sign of a midlife crisis. The best bike out there, I agree, but also the most under utilized. I just checked and in 2017 the average Age of a BMW owner was 46 years (down from previous 50 years)
The reason you see that is because even a modest GS will set you back $25,000 - Vey few people in there 20's can afford that. Go for the GSA and add panniers and you're at $30,000. Now add another $1500 in ridding gear. The group with more testosterone than money buys race bikes. By the time you can comfortably afford and appreciate what a GS is all about you're older and wiser and have more financial resources and slower reflexes LOL. A GS would not have appealed to me in my 20's and 30's. All that said, I'm the guys who's had 5 race bikes, had 2 stroke dirt bikes did the track on both. Now that I'm on the GS. I can make that bike an ABSOLUTE WEAPON! I've had total strangers come up to me and tell me holy crap you can ride your @$$ off on that monster of a bike. The bike is phenomenal just cruising around... I'm having more fun and appreciate the GS more than my race bikes...
I wonder if it has the same technology installed (but not activated) like cars that have the SOS button. They have the ability to geo fence you to an area and to limit your driving time allowance.
I don’t own a motorcycle. Never have. I am not particularly mechanically inclined. I have however watched every single video you have made. This is the only channel I am subscribed for which I have notifications on for when a new video is uploaded. I find myself dazzled and pensive by the thoughtfulness one person can spark inside of me when discussing motorcycles - which I don’t own and often did not know existed. I find your videos inspiring, smart, and thought provoking while emotionally stimulating. All while talking about … motorcycles.
Aw man so many Easter egg subtle burns sprinkled everywhere. I used to think it was scripted, but I'm beginning to think Ryan rolls these off his tongue aux naturelle. Kudos for filming this at night! The complexity increases exponentially. 8:15 "press 1 to eliminate" 😅🤣😂 three thumbs up for the editor! Mucho respect to the team. 👍💪🙏
I bought the 2015 GS-A, brand new, full spec. Pricey bastard, the best riding machine ever! Did 32K in one year and then the second, yes the SECOND, gearbox started breaking. Sold it back to the dealer and bought a 2006 R1200S. Still riding that today, as well as my 2005 K1200S. Both have 130K kilometers on them and are absolutely fine. And when they're not; I can fix them myself. I'd like to ride this 1300, but I am not falling for that shit again.
Bought 2013 GS new. So far it’s got 45,000 miles, 3 recalls including a new swing arm/shaft drive, had total instrument display failure, and excessive cam wear that is “a known issue”. Meanwhile I have a 2000 Honda and 2004 Suzuki that have combined mileage of over 390,000 miles with no major issues. What is wrong with BMW?
I bought an 07 R1200 GS with 115,000 km on it last year. It runs like a new bike, and I like it more than my buddiy's 2022 R1250 GS. I also paid 31,200 less than he did.
I have an '09 R1200GS and I really struggle with the newer technology. Not in the sense that I don't' understand it, more in the sense that it's taking me further away from the ride. I don't WANT my motorcycle to do everything for me, I like to be challenged. I'd like to think my skill makes the difference but I know in many ways, the motorcycle has more to do with my enjoyment by making up for my lack of certain skills. But at least with my 09, I know I am still in charge. I dictate when and where I take he risks and don't rely on the moto to get me out of trouble. My 09 GS has been, and continues to be the best motorcycle I've ever owned. It's hard to give it up and after watching a video like this, it just reinforces that my 09 GS still has a long time left in my possession. At some point the repairs and maintenance will out pace it's value. But that day is not today. Not today.
These planes you've been testing, Captain, one day, sooner or later, they won't need pilots at all. Pilots that need to sleep, eat, take a piss. Pilots that disobey orders. All you did was buy some time for those men out there. The future is coming, and you're not in it. [...] The end is inevitable, Maverick. Your kind is headed for extinction. Maverick : Maybe so, sir. But not today. 😉
What a nice bit of producing and editing at around 3:45, speaking of symmetry of the bike and showing a shot of the city lights reflected in the water.
Looks that way, but the editor actually split the screen, mirroring the upper part by flipping it so it's upside down and copying it into the lower half of the picture. Either way, nice effect.
@@kevingilbaugh6278 Also the reason why the bike is catching fire is more significant. It is trying to turn itself ON so it can go on adventure, but it's Owner do not time for it. It is funny, sad and true at the same time.
Amen! This is my attitude towards all new cars too. The driver should be in complete command of all systems. I want to choose when the lights dim, the wipers wipe, and when the engine starts or stops. All the gadgetry is just more opportunity for failure.
I generally find that warnings and defaults are valid, and for a majority of people often useful, but there should almost always be an option to bypass it if I want to. The ABS video comes to mind. My bike has ABS, which is fine since I don't ride it off road, but it also has stoppy prevention. While that is arguably a good thing for a beginner slamming the brakes, it does reduce my stopping power, which is a bit annoying, and I can't disable it without disabling ABS entirely by pulling a fuse.
Not talking smack but Ryan took a lot of inspiration from old clarkson. He’s totally developed his character far beyond that now, but watch an older video from the channel and you’ll see him speaking with the same cadence, using the same gesticulation, and basically copying many of the jokes. I only am so sure because I watched every single episode of top gear so many times it’s not healthy.
I'm an R1250GS owner and this video sums up my opinion of the R1300GS. I think it looks like it is an improvement in almost every way except that it would require my spending a lot more money. I don't get mine dirty as much as I would like, but I do ride it and I love my bike. Go out and ride, guys, and if you can afford a motorcycle that won't own you, go buy one and ride it!
The Classic K (Flying brick) had starter relay issues in the 90s. My 1994 K1100LT would crank until you saw smoke. Don't worry, the fuse box was under the gas tank and took 15 minutes to access
My r1100rt takes over two hours to swap the god damn battery, because the Krauts put half the battery under the gas tank, to create some Space Magic? Anyways, it's up for sale here shortly.
@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic i had a R1200CL with the same type of placement. I put an extra wire running to the side cover for a Jumpstart emergency.
@@flippy6553 We have a THICC wire with a cap on it under the seat. Helps with jumping, doesn't help with the cigar and swearing for two hours to replace a KNOWN. WEAR. COMPONENT. 😅
@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic they now how to improve and make it smaller for sure. The ST1100 is a cool bike. Damn near a twin for my old K1100LT. Other than the starter relay, a valve adjustment was all it ever needed in 70k miles. (Not counting consumables)
Never even encounter? These things are friggin everywhere. I did my annual rider training course yesterday, out of twelve participants... eight were on GS-es.
Really enjoy the videos, and most of the content. Defensive rebuttals from a R1300GS owner......The hill hold function is nothing new. HD has had it for years (so BMW also ripped that off of them). The simple trick to release it, is just tap the brake lever again before you roll on the throttle. No problem. Regarding the adaptive height control, I almost didn't get it. Been riding tall ADV bikes on and off-road for years. I didn't need or want AHC. But, the bike I wanted had it so what the heck, I got it. So glad I did. It is freaking awesome, especially in metro settings, and in the garage. Side note......Owned a lot of bikes. The R1300GS is by far the best all-around bike I have ever owned. It is the Swiss Army Knife of bikes. Amazing!
11:13 Ryan’s face. I hope someday there is a bronze statue of Ryan in Vancouver and they choose this moment to immortalize forever. Keep up the amazing work!
I recently bought an old BMW 1200 GS and before I owned one I thought it was expensive crap but after riding it I got just how good it is and why people love their BMW. I would recommend BMW to anyone, of course they have their issues like all other bikes but no one that has ridden them can say they are not good. My opinion is if you can afford it go for it but if you need a loan skip it.
@@K0nst4nt1n96 Buying used often simply beats newer bikes by a longshot though, the usual boxer engine customers are exactly the type of people you want to buy bikes from. My 2016 R 1200 RS cost me 7,7k € with only 27k km run. I literally couldnt ask for a better bike and I wouldnt know what an alternative would be. The tractor like torque, quickshifter and comfort beat alot of bikes I was considering.
The rule with BMW is as follows: The older you get, the more you like em. Dad got several, I fucking hate em all, they are just boring. It goes the other way, he hates my ducati. It is 2 wild for his taste.
I have a v strom and can say that it doesn’t have issues. So no. Not like any bike. BMW do not own the market but I’m glad they exist. However I will never buy one.
8:20 that shot with blinking retroreflectors is beautiful. also, at 2:40 engine sounds are amazingly fit with the music, dunno if it originally was there or your editors are this talented.
Ryan - you should have put the GS on a scale. The 1300 GS comes in 30 kg! over the stated 237 kg wet)- this is with the typical extra packages installed (ready to ride). Despite the good design BMW dropped the ball on the weight target. A Swiss review channel put the the Big 3 adventure bikes on a scale (ready to ride) - BMW R1300GS 267 kg, Ducati V4S 257 kg and KTM 1290SAS 247 kg
Exactly. I never believed in the manufacturers' declared weight. Nowadays, you'll not find a big adventure bike (with like 1000+cc) which is at least 240-250kgs in weight. V Strom DE is at 250 kg. And I'm ok with that weight. But I'm not okay when people start to compare motorcycles just by brochure specs, like small kids.
Is Ryan moonlighting at night & holding the Slow/Stop sign at road construction sites? It either that or he is guiding planes to their gate at the airport in that outfit!
I finally figured it out! It's an advanced stage firefighter maternity suit. Looks like it has a delivery pocket so mom can keep working after the child drops. You Canadians are a tough breed!
I have the 1250 and I fully agree with the Hill Climb Control: I use it mainly at incline (up but mostly down) stopping lights to avoid having to brake continuously. Then I take it off and do things manually when I need to start
I think Ryan is the review G.O.A.T. And… after having clicked over to check out some Flying Eyes, I thought "hmm…seems like a Gore-Tex style inspired review is in order for these $250 plastic bendy sunglasses." 💰😎
In Australia we don't have the SOS button, and the HSC you mention can be set to Auto, Manual or Off quite easily. If you set it to Manual it works exactly as is does on the 1200 & 1250. Relay issue now fixed, so that's no longer an issue As for Vario cases. Don't buy them, just go soft panniers or 3rd party hard luggage like GIVI.
Yep, I went from an F800GS to an $8k 1200RT a couple of years ago (although I've yet to actually sell the GS). Mostly because I live I nNew England and the "adventure" riding in this part of the world is dirt roads or single track. Now if I lived in Utah... LOVE the RT although when used 850/900GSs with cruise control become cheap enough, the RT might get replaced. As long as I can hold up two wheels, I will ALWAYS keep my R90S!
Absolutely the most informative, most entertaining, and best produced motorcycle videos on the planet. I wish the magazines or their respective channels were half as good.
This summer, (not that anyone had asked) I got my first gravel bike (yes bycicle) for that manual pain through which I own what i ride. Definitely a struggle and i love it, going down in small forest hills with roots all over and bumps and I'm realizing this is harder than mountainbikes but more like a racecar feel and engagement. Strange. One day i will enjoy Yukon in one of these or likely not 1300 but small engine. Thank you for an amazing video and welcome to Yukon sometime.
Thank you. Honestly. I started looking at a brand new Goldwing, then thought about the new R1300gs, then remembered you made a video about it, only to find you reminding me that the point is riding, not owning the bestest, newest, most comfyest, most sophisticated machine on the banks asset sheet. Thank you.
"Whether or not you like the design will depend on whether or not you have taste" hahaha Guess I don't have taste, because there's just something about that big burly asymmetrical 1250 GS
He didn't say you will like it, if you have taste. I rather think he implied the opposite. The 1300 GS is not a beautiful motorcycle and if you have taste you will probably think the same. But the design is crazy good from a technical standpoint
@Alphonselle Preach! BMW's asymmetrical headlights on most of their bikes looked awesome. If not, psychotic; if, you look at the previous generation of the S1000RR and it’s single-R, scantily-clad sibling bike. Now, without the asymmetry, BMW's current bikes just look generic. Mechanically, they’re still amazing. They just don’t have any (stylistic) character traits, outside of still committing to Boxer-Twins.
great video as always. We also need to comment BMW for improving the off road capabilites of a motorcycle that almost none of its owners is going to take off road, hell they do not even target those riders. Do not worry about having enough money after buying it to go arround the world with it, that's not their target group either :)
Such a spot-on review and accurate parting shot. This is a rich man's toy. A fourth, or maybe even fifth bike. I think it's an awesome piece of kit and BMW have lifted the bar yet again. But, would I trade in my R1250GSA for this? Nah! Is it desirable and great fun on the trails? For sure; of this I have little doubt!. And, as usual, a top notch production. Well done, Ryan and your team!
If you can only have 1 bike in the garage, the GS is, in my opinion, the best choice. I'm just waiting to see the 1300GSA before I make a choice. Newer bikes just don't bring enough changes for me to trade in my R1200GSA
Just bought a 52 year old airhead, what I love about it, it does not call home and even better it does not need to call home, it simply runs and runs and runs.......
I just sold my reliable loaded 2006 1200gs for a 1992 100gs, so far I’m happy and amazed how well it rides and simple. The 1300 seems ridiculous with lane departure sensors and all that tech. I like to fix and service my own machine not have it go into limp mode for some sensor issue. Love my airhead
I watched twice in a row. At first, I got the whole idea. And the second one was just for my pleasure to watch something high quailty, well scripted, well edited. I am so glad F9 is a motorcycle enthusiast.
The 1300GS video i expected to see... awesome job Fnine! by the other hand... nobody talks about the old F650GS 2nd gen ... one of the most reliable bikes of the German Brand... and one of the greatest designs ever. It's intemporal, the designer of the bike was a genius from my point of view.
I have a 2015 and I love it (just upgraded to it a few weeks ago in fact). But the pinnacle of the R1200GS IMO, was 2007 which I upgraded from. It was the lightest GS without the gosh-awful servo brakes of 05-06. It had no electronic extras that were not also practical. It was just a great bike. The new suspension does intrigue me on the new model. Floaty/vagueness is the only detriment of the Telelever (but that only in off road situations or very extralegal road speed cornering). But overall the Telelever is the best real world riding suspension I have ever experienced in 40 years of riding - and what made me - a cheapskate - a BMW rider since about 2004 - so about half my in the saddle years.
Incredible storytelling, beautiful shots, and a compelling narrator. You are everything us motorcycle content creators should aim for, big shoutouts for you guys, amazing video!
I want to see your opinion on the new Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally line. I went with the Tiger 1200 rally over the GS1300 and couldnt be happier with my choice. I think the Tiger is the king right now
Riding my V-Strom through Utah right now. I'm glad to hear the new GS is lighter. That was the biggest improvement I noticed when leaving my 1100. The Strom (08) is 60 pounds lighter. I hate electronics though. I love my fuel injection system, but I don't need anything more than that. Those are just more things to break and ruin my trip.
This bike has so many design quirks that make it unique and in the same time more likely to fail it getting worse of than competition. But still it's very popular. It's so cool to see the evolution of these machines from the very beginning that's like evolution in nature. Once you embark on a feature. Being the engine layout or particular rear wheel mount and shafts then the developers keep it and only make it better. Like evolution decided we will have two hemispheres a long time ago and we still have. I have only fully realised this when I was in the museum with machines from the beginning of last century. I wish everyone many happy and enjoyable miles.
Me too. After some much needed legit suspension upgrades, it’s a BDR beast. Even does well on two track and single track if you have the endurance. Not going to be seeing too many giant buses doing that very often.
Great advice, that's why I've now got a Honda 1200 Crosstourer after briefly coming away from adv bikes (VFR1200F), no one should have bought it new with the competition it had, its got no gizmos, its heavy and its 6 years old. But I didnt have to get a loan, it'll only see the shop for servicing, its got a 1200cc V4 so its no slouch, it corners like a dream, and its better in almost every way than the 1200F it replaced because its better suited for the shite roads we have in the UK and can also do 200 miles on a tank. For me my bike is a toy really, I'll use it for work sometimes in the summer, but really its for weekends and trips away so I cant really justify spending so much or financing a bike, that will do exactly what any other modern adv bike will do. If i wkn the lottery then yes i probably would get either the 1300gs or the Multistrada, but not if i would notice that money missing
He had the rear spinning in the wet sand. The sand did not have one small contact patch. It was proof of a high torque environment. Most bikes with a lower max torque output would stall, or they would burn out the clutch too quickly.
I own a 2006 R1200GS Adventure. Was buying it relatively cheap for 6k with about 100k km on the clock. Apart from the suspension, it still rides like new. I highly doubt that newer gen models can perform that well in terms of durability. Especially not the 1300. It may ride much better than my old big and heavy adventure, but I am still amazed how good my old gs handles as if the weight would be left in the garage when driving off. And pricewise, this is a much better deal I think. Also, I am not scared to drop it... In fact I already did once. It sat comfortably on a cover protected cylinder and a sturdy metal case... Got the bike back up and rode on, nothing to see here. Try that with those flimsy plastic cases. 30k Euro for a New 1300gs used to be Ducati money. And back then i also thought I would never buy a bike that costly. Even if i have the money. I just don't see the value for it, when you can have at least 90% the fun for much less.
I love your conclusion and the whole overview. This also points to a conclusion i got from other riders here in Romania: BMW bikes are expensive to maintain, both in mecanics hourly rate and in parts replacement or upgrade
Very Smart Advice " I really think you should buy it. BUT not if you can afford it , you should buy it if you can afford so much more than 30k that you wont have to work longer for having spent it" I bought a 2019 1250 for a steal a dream bike for nearly half off and only 2000mi on it the original owner spent 32k i got the receipts with the bike .....later i rented that bike and paid it off in less than 18mo so i bought a 2022 1250GSA my ultimate dream machine a bike for myself....the 2019 battery failed, ride height sensor failed , and the death was the starter one way clutch bearing failed , and to further complicate it i live on Maui Hi so no dealer....oh and the throttle on my 2022 failed under warranty but BMW wont help because i have to ship the bike to Oahu for a 15min eval at a 2000$ cost to me....lessons have been learned NEVER BUY FIRST GEN and make sure you build a work shop BEFORE you buy the bike so you can fix it yourself! Ill post the video later of the fixing of the One way clutch bearing..its a process!!!
Let me tell you something funny. I just joined a BMW F900r/XR group on Facebook. The people in that group love LOVE to encourage people not to work on their bikes because" It will void the warranty" and they frequently imply anybody but a BMW mechanic is too stupid to work on one even things as simple as changing the oil. Your post and having seen many like it prove to me the warranty is all but useless in most cases. One video on youtube, Guy bought a brand new 1000RR. Babied it on the way home- the motor blew ON THE WAY HOME less than 50 miles on it. BMW would not honor the warranty. So that shows the value of a BMW warranty.
Kudos to the audio mix - the revving engine with the track is killer. I have it on audio loop for an hour now.....really, really cool.... the rider outside the service area is the most resounding backhander that will resonate across the lazy torque junkies!!! That's too close to the bone fella..... Ride On Away Ryan
Informative and Gorgeous video as always. Raising the bar. Edit: FYI, I came from the short for this video. It was a good idea to use the short like a trailer. I wasn't interested in this video, but the short hooked me. Well played.
So good - Self Immolating adventure bike cause the rider is stuck in work office trying to afford the repayments. Love the BMW assist scenes with the missile launch. 🤣 Brilliant Alles klar, Herr Kommissar??
You can afford a BMW. Look at GS's from 2014 and older. They are under 10k now. Many under 8k. Put in 2-3 k yourself and you have an amazing bike that will last a long time. I've seen some 1200GS for 6-7k with 50k miles on them, That's nothing. Keep looking. I have an 09 1200GS and it does everything I'll ever need. Is hill assist necessary? No. Cruise control? no. Nice, but not necessary. I bet if you look right now on Cycletrader, you'll find a well maintained 09 GS for less than 8k.
This is so well produced, I feel like these get better every time. The writing, the editing, the music, the graphics, the fact that the whole thing was shot at night and still looks great.. everything is perfect.
Ryan idk if this is ever gonna reach you guys, but I love the video and the contents Fortnine is putting out and would love to put CC on it to reach audience in Asia! These quality contents must be seen by more people!
I'm still not a fan of that beak. Not sure why it's there when there's a low fender? They got rid of it on the F900 and it's so much better looking without it
It's a bit smaller. He mentioned compactness several times in video. However you're probably used to seeing older gs adventures( they have larger tanks luggage and engine bodywork protection)which are significantly bigger than standard gs's
It is smaller. I rode one a few months back, and I used to own a 1200. It's very much smaller. On my old 1200 I could flat foot one side only (load was for just rider). On the 1300, I can flat foot both feet and have some bend in my knees.
I mean its in the video lol. Condense and symetrical. Looks smaller because they shaved weight and streamlined the design aesthetic compared to the previous 1250
As the driver of a Mack truck I take mild offense to the idea that my truck is anywhere as girthy as a 1200. Though yes. Like others have said, it is smaller.
Smaller as per the spec sheet, yes. But part of it is kind of an illusion - this one hasn't had the "throw the entire parts catalogue at it"-routine done yet. Which makes it look almost like a normal bike.
“A bike trying to go and dying because its rider was busy paying for it”……man….this guy is a bike riding prophet….that’s some deep sh!t right there….
Bro FR!
That shit gave me goosebumps 🥶🥶
exactly why I bought mine full cash after saving for 5 months. 16 years since it still zooms. well it's Japanese
This is what i watch f9 for
Don't waste money... Buy it used 😅 if it's still working😂😂😂
This video told a lot of truth at the end.
My Dad loves motorcycling and bougth a GS because its ``the best bike of course``. He only went to 3 trips in 4 years of owning it. Scared that if he dropped it he wouldnt have the money to rapair it.
So sad. Should sell it and get a 90s cb500. Or maybe a Honda nc 700. Anything cheap. Some French magazine rode that over 200 000km. Some German dude( interview by Austrias 1000ps) rode one through the Sahara.
@@gur262he did enventualy sell it to help pay for my college. I hope i can buy him a new one once i get older, returning the favor.
@@samuelboldt232 doesn't need much. Though a good point for newer bikes between 50-90 ish hp for 3-6 k used rather than something 90s for 1.5 -3 is the fuel consumption. Something like 4.1-5 l rather than 5-6.5
he probably insures his car - so why not insure his bike?
To be fair, that's a bit of a boomer thing, they buy a lot of toys they don't use or need because they're swimming in cash from unprecedented strong economic times
These are the classic f9 videos weve been waiting for.
Don't have any "padding" in them?
@@Matt-vo1ge I believe it calls to the extent of narrative components that we kind of missed with the reviews for bikes like the ZX4RR's, where it was very technical, maybe a couple jokes, but overall a very clinical type of video.
Thought you were waiting for your dad to come back with the milk?
@@257796 Are you 9 yrs old or the grand age of 10 yrs old?
@@zphayde yeah, the fact that zx4rr didnt get cinematic masterpiecie from F9 will be on of the biggest loses for us, audience. This bike just screams for one
Yes, I too loved the conclusion of the video. If you have plenty of money to buy an expensive bike like the 1300GS, God bless you and go have fun! But I remember when doing a short touring ride through the hills of Nevada and stopped at a small shopping center for travelers. I had my relatively inexpensive DR650 that was well modded out for adventure riding. There was another rider with his slightly banged up, cheap-looking, small Suzuki cruiser with a rack and duffle bags bungee corded all together. Young guy probably in his 20's. We chatted. He was having such a blast on his trip. Smiling and just full of excitement. I'll never forget that.
The problem with expensive shit is that it will start owning you rather than have you own it. There’s a lot to be said for owning a dr650 and a leatherman over a GS and an iPhone
True, but that's basically the same argument people use against all expensive bikes and cars. You can arguably have almost as much fun with a far less expensive bike as you would with the BMW R series GS, but that doesn't take away that it remains pretty much the Master Class bike. And if really you have the money to spend on these bikes without having to mortgage the home or something like that, I doubt you'll care too much about dropping or even crashing it.
Can I pick it up without breaking sweat? Can I fix it with the tools the bike came with? Can I afford it without getting into debt? Three rules for travelling by motorcycle.
@@tjroelsma The point isn’t that fun can also be had elsewhere, rather that there’s a big difference between being able to afford one of these bikes and being able to afford having to completely rebuild one if you crash it somewhere in the boonies. If you can’t afford the latter, it’s much more sensible to own something raggedy, simple and cheap because it’s only a marginally worse experience while actually being able to experience it.
@@borderlands6606 DO any motorcycles come with tools anymore?
So glad Anish is back - you can see it immediately in the videography, absolute art.
Absolutely right
Yeah the vids here don’t just feel like any other RUclips channel. It’s amazing how good they look
Best thing in the Video is the typo from the BMW Assist voice. "How many I help you?" Even funnier is that the typo carried over to the german AI Voice "Wie vielen helfe ich Ihnen?"
Ist mir auch aufgefallen
Scheise
Lol
I also like that Ryan is rocking the fashion leitmotif of the stereotypical RXXXXGS rider -- all his outfit is missing is the BMW branding. Yeah, I'm a BMW GS hater ;-)
What is the meaning
I really resonate with the conclusion of this video.
I ride a 2007 Fz6 that i bought in early 2023 for €2700 with 12.000km on it. The previous owners rode less than 800km per year.
In the following 17 months i have ridden it 30.000km, through all weather, and been to 11 different countries and 4 different mountain ranges with it. It has never let me down.
In that time it has had a valve service, a chain and sprocket, 3 new tires, 6 oil changes, installed a used set of hard cases, a topcase and heated grips. As well as about 1500 liter of expensive European petrol. All combined it cost me probably 2.5x the purchase price of the bike in less than 2 years of riding it.
I have the money to buy the ideal bike and not go on many trips, or to buy a not so ideal bike and go on many trips.
I rather spend my money on the older bike which is not ideal and make the trips, than have the ideal bike which just sits at home while i work.
👌👌👌
Same same. I'm dreaming about changing bikes often, but every time I go back to the same thought: "new bike wouldn't change how much time I have for riding". Because by buying a different bike we often really dream not of a different bike, but of a different life that their marketing teams are telling us we will have.
You just said what I am thinking. I want to enjoy the rides, afford the bike and maintenance.
I on the other hand don't have the time to put in 30k a year. If I get in 3k, I've done very well for that year. If I'm gonna be limited so much, I may as well go whole hog and enjoy the big fat bike the few times I do get out.
I get what you're saying though. No point spending so much if it limits what you can do. In my case, I'm already limited by time anyway, so that's not a problem. lol
@@Gofr5people can always find ways to justify anything.
Can’t wait to buy one used in 15 years!
That's if there are any still on the road by then.. new bikes have become disposable
make sure you count how many recall will be in 15 years, you don't wanna take one poorly serviced.
If you do, you won't be using a BMW service manual to fix the thing. And you'll be spending a small fortune replacing the failed sensors/switches/computers/servos that can only be purchased from a dealer.
@@bobdobbs3360Is that you, Hoovie?
@@bobdobbs3360 Sadly, the cost of the repair parts have been an issue for a long time. About 20 years ago, my cousin essentially gave his late 70's R 65 to the dealer when he found that the cost to replace the broken switch gear was more than the running motorcycle was worth.
I used to think Camissa was the best automotive journalist alive. I dont even care about motorbikes. I keep coming back for the superb writing and storytelling about design. Congratulations Fortnine crew, youre among the best in the world, if not the best.
I love Cammisa& Ryan
To me, he is like Jeremy Clarkson for motorcycle world.
I love Cammisa-- you can find me in the comment section of most videos out there of him-- he's not Chris Harris or Jeremy Clarkson.
Look at the clusterf*ck marketting propaganda the Cybertruck vid is, Clarkson would never.
We all have our poster journalists but Ryan definitely get closest to the latter than Discount Sandler.
To me, the fact we're even thinking about them in the same headspace means a lot about the quality of the content they're producing!
Many years ago, my friend and I got some cheap Chinese 150cc dirt bikes and rode across Central and South America, we didn't have much money, bought gym bags and strapped them onto our bikes. We went across the Amazon rainforest and over the Bolivian Andes and the Atamaca desert, and yes our bikes broke regularly but we had memories of a lifetime. We met guys on their BMW 1200GS and F800, but they were afraid for their bikes and stuck to only good roads.
In Germany BMW sells as many GS' as the next four competitors in the top 5 combined. Ever since the GS 1200.
You see them everywhere. Saturdays, being polished in the driveway of their owners. Sundays, in front of the nearest biker café. On trailers behind expensive cars, on the way to vacation in the Austrian or Italian Alps.
But on the road or on trails.... No, not that I could recall.
lmao
Not just in Germany. All over Europe you can observe what you described. It´s a "status quo" that says you have wealth\money and also ZERO skills.
I bought an used full extra GSXR with 3500Km and big chicken strips on the tyres... that bike was never rode as it was supposed to but it had all the fancy sport package colours that everyone could see!
Cheers and ride safe!
Usual BS. The more you are away from home, the more you see. Even off-road.
Café. That's right. GS drivers also need and want a break from time to time. Not as many as others, of course.
Of course, the chance of meeting them in a cafe is quite big... because there's a lot on the street.
Only that is not true
In Germany, where you see a lot of GSs, you notice one thing: This bike is under utilized. Most people that can afford the GS are way retired or almost retiring - their reflexes are not as good anymore, they aren‘t as in shape and have their stiff necks or shot knees. They can‘t use the GS off-road because it‘s to heavy, they can‘t fling it round the Alps because they can‘t turn their head far enough for the switchbacks and so on.
Nothing the bike offers really gets used so it‘s mostly a rolling sign of a midlife crisis.
The best bike out there, I agree, but also the most under utilized.
I just checked and in 2017 the average Age of a BMW owner was 46 years (down from previous 50 years)
The reason you see that is because even a modest GS will set you back $25,000 - Vey few people in there 20's can afford that. Go for the GSA and add panniers and you're at $30,000. Now add another $1500 in ridding gear. The group with more testosterone than money buys race bikes. By the time you can comfortably afford and appreciate what a GS is all about you're older and wiser and have more financial resources and slower reflexes LOL. A GS would not have appealed to me in my 20's and 30's. All that said, I'm the guys who's had 5 race bikes, had 2 stroke dirt bikes did the track on both. Now that I'm on the GS. I can make that bike an ABSOLUTE WEAPON! I've had total strangers come up to me and tell me holy crap you can ride your @$$ off on that monster of a bike. The bike is phenomenal just cruising around... I'm having more fun and appreciate the GS more than my race bikes...
I had a GSA, am 41 and can more than afford the 1300, but after my GSA experience for 3 years, i fully refuse to buy one for various reasons.
I got a GSA @ 30
Got my GS at 27
The other problem is the cost of breaking something, you are going to adventure with a motorbike that is quite expensive.🫰
8:15 - SOS rider outside starbucks service area😂
Dude that ended me. Lol
it must have been in northwestern Greenland!
I wonder if it has the same technology installed (but not activated) like cars that have the SOS button.
They have the ability to geo fence you to an area and to limit your driving time allowance.
hahahah and the missile launch
SOS has a new meaning now- Stuck Outside Starbucks
I don’t own a motorcycle. Never have. I am not particularly mechanically inclined. I have however watched every single video you have made. This is the only channel I am subscribed for which I have notifications on for when a new video is uploaded. I find myself dazzled and pensive by the thoughtfulness one person can spark inside of me when discussing motorcycles - which I don’t own and often did not know existed.
I find your videos inspiring, smart, and thought provoking while emotionally stimulating.
All while talking about … motorcycles.
3:40 The glowing exhaust headers look really cool in this shot.
3:41 glowing pipe has such a nice color...
Nice catch
i was just wondering if it was glowing or edited
@@ValentinKiryazov That's the real deal - dune riding is hot work, even at night. ~RF9
@@FortNine Wow. I thought that was edited in.
Something to keep in mind riding in the weeds, dry weeds.
Aw man so many Easter egg subtle burns sprinkled everywhere. I used to think it was scripted, but I'm beginning to think Ryan rolls these off his tongue aux naturelle. Kudos for filming this at night! The complexity increases exponentially. 8:15 "press 1 to eliminate" 😅🤣😂 three thumbs up for the editor! Mucho respect to the team.
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I bought the 2015 GS-A, brand new, full spec. Pricey bastard, the best riding machine ever! Did 32K in one year and then the second, yes the SECOND, gearbox started breaking. Sold it back to the dealer and bought a 2006 R1200S. Still riding that today, as well as my 2005 K1200S. Both have 130K kilometers on them and are absolutely fine. And when they're not; I can fix them myself.
I'd like to ride this 1300, but I am not falling for that shit again.
08 GS baby. ill die with it
You are a hater because you dare to criticise bmw from experience...
Bought 2013 GS new. So far it’s got 45,000 miles, 3 recalls including a new swing arm/shaft drive, had total instrument display failure, and excessive cam wear that is “a known issue”. Meanwhile I have a 2000 Honda and 2004 Suzuki that have combined mileage of over 390,000 miles with no major issues. What is wrong with BMW?
I bought an 07 R1200 GS with 115,000 km on it last year. It runs like a new bike, and I like it more than my buddiy's 2022 R1250 GS. I also paid 31,200 less than he did.
@@AgentJayZ yes
I have an '09 R1200GS and I really struggle with the newer technology. Not in the sense that I don't' understand it, more in the sense that it's taking me further away from the ride. I don't WANT my motorcycle to do everything for me, I like to be challenged. I'd like to think my skill makes the difference but I know in many ways, the motorcycle has more to do with my enjoyment by making up for my lack of certain skills. But at least with my 09, I know I am still in charge. I dictate when and where I take he risks and don't rely on the moto to get me out of trouble.
My 09 GS has been, and continues to be the best motorcycle I've ever owned. It's hard to give it up and after watching a video like this, it just reinforces that my 09 GS still has a long time left in my possession. At some point the repairs and maintenance will out pace it's value. But that day is not today. Not today.
These planes you've been testing, Captain, one day, sooner or later, they won't need pilots at all. Pilots that need to sleep, eat, take a piss. Pilots that disobey orders. All you did was buy some time for those men out there. The future is coming, and you're not in it.
[...] The end is inevitable, Maverick. Your kind is headed for extinction.
Maverick : Maybe so, sir. But not today. 😉
What a nice bit of producing and editing at around 3:45, speaking of symmetry of the bike and showing a shot of the city lights reflected in the water.
Looks that way, but the editor actually split the screen, mirroring the upper part by flipping it so it's upside down and copying it into the lower half of the picture. Either way, nice effect.
One of the best video ending ever.
Yeah, that kind of hit home.
Might I ask what what so significant of that ending scene? Thanks
The bike slowly burning in the background while owner working to pay off the bike.
@@wildboby1see below, or watch from1000
@@kevingilbaugh6278 Also the reason why the bike is catching fire is more significant. It is trying to turn itself ON so it can go on adventure, but it's Owner do not time for it. It is funny, sad and true at the same time.
I don't want a tool that does what I didn't ask it to do, I want one that does what I tell it to do, even if it's stupid.
Amen! This is my attitude towards all new cars too. The driver should be in complete command of all systems. I want to choose when the lights dim, the wipers wipe, and when the engine starts or stops. All the gadgetry is just more opportunity for failure.
Get a T7! Throw it into a rainy corner, open your wrist, and meet God. ~RF9
@@FortNine- yup.... do it but only if u r Darwin theory case. If u not familiar... just keep doing 😂
I generally find that warnings and defaults are valid, and for a majority of people often useful, but there should almost always be an option to bypass it if I want to. The ABS video comes to mind. My bike has ABS, which is fine since I don't ride it off road, but it also has stoppy prevention. While that is arguably a good thing for a beginner slamming the brakes, it does reduce my stopping power, which is a bit annoying, and I can't disable it without disabling ABS entirely by pulling a fuse.
you have a KLR i take it?
Closest we've gotten to an old school TopGear episode right here...
Not talking smack but Ryan took a lot of inspiration from old clarkson. He’s totally developed his character far beyond that now, but watch an older video from the channel and you’ll see him speaking with the same cadence, using the same gesticulation, and basically copying many of the jokes. I only am so sure because I watched every single episode of top gear so many times it’s not healthy.
The days when Top Gear was about reviews and opinions of semi affordable machinery instead of scripted "challenges" and millionaires play toys...
Hammond, May, and F9 could have a Top Sprocket. I'd pay per episode for that shit.
I wonder when we'll stop calling every automotive RUclipsr the "new" Top Gear
yove should seen the royal enfield one hahahaha
I'm an R1250GS owner and this video sums up my opinion of the R1300GS. I think it looks like it is an improvement in almost every way except that it would require my spending a lot more money. I don't get mine dirty as much as I would like, but I do ride it and I love my bike. Go out and ride, guys, and if you can afford a motorcycle that won't own you, go buy one and ride it!
I don’t ride, but I still think these videos are great. Every hobby deserves a channel as good as FortNine.
Riding is not a hobby it’s a passion.
The Classic K (Flying brick) had starter relay issues in the 90s. My 1994 K1100LT would crank until you saw smoke. Don't worry, the fuse box was under the gas tank and took 15 minutes to access
My r1100rt takes over two hours to swap the god damn battery, because the Krauts put half the battery under the gas tank, to create some Space Magic? Anyways, it's up for sale here shortly.
@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic i had a R1200CL with the same type of placement. I put an extra wire running to the side cover for a Jumpstart emergency.
@@flippy6553 We have a THICC wire with a cap on it under the seat. Helps with jumping, doesn't help with the cigar and swearing for two hours to replace a KNOWN. WEAR. COMPONENT. 😅
Meanwhile, my ST1100....five minutes, one screwdriver. The Japanese know how to ENGINEER a good bike.
@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic they now how to improve and make it smaller for sure. The ST1100 is a cool bike. Damn near a twin for my old K1100LT. Other than the starter relay, a valve adjustment was all it ever needed in 70k miles. (Not counting consumables)
The last line of the video was beautifully articulated. Thx for this video Ryan.
Why yes, Of course I'm watching a video on a bike I'll never have and might never even encounter because the production quality is just that good.
Never even encounter? These things are friggin everywhere. I did my annual rider training course yesterday, out of twelve participants... eight were on GS-es.
Really enjoy the videos, and most of the content. Defensive rebuttals from a R1300GS owner......The hill hold function is nothing new. HD has had it for years (so BMW also ripped that off of them). The simple trick to release it, is just tap the brake lever again before you roll on the throttle. No problem. Regarding the adaptive height control, I almost didn't get it. Been riding tall ADV bikes on and off-road for years. I didn't need or want AHC. But, the bike I wanted had it so what the heck, I got it. So glad I did. It is freaking awesome, especially in metro settings, and in the garage. Side note......Owned a lot of bikes. The R1300GS is by far the best all-around bike I have ever owned. It is the Swiss Army Knife of bikes. Amazing!
Like a Swiss army knife that needs batteries and a wireless connection.
11:13 Ryan’s face. I hope someday there is a bronze statue of Ryan in Vancouver and they choose this moment to immortalize forever. Keep up the amazing work!
I recently bought an old BMW 1200 GS and before I owned one I thought it was expensive crap but after riding it I got just how good it is and why people love their BMW. I would recommend BMW to anyone, of course they have their issues like all other bikes but no one that has ridden them can say they are not good. My opinion is if you can afford it go for it but if you need a loan skip it.
They are kind of disliked as a bike but they are very good.
@@K0nst4nt1n96 Buying used often simply beats newer bikes by a longshot though, the usual boxer engine customers are exactly the type of people you want to buy bikes from. My 2016 R 1200 RS cost me 7,7k € with only 27k km run. I literally couldnt ask for a better bike and I wouldnt know what an alternative would be. The tractor like torque, quickshifter and comfort beat alot of bikes I was considering.
The rule with BMW is as follows: The older you get, the more you like em.
Dad got several, I fucking hate em all, they are just boring. It goes the other way, he hates my ducati. It is 2 wild for his taste.
I have a v strom and can say that it doesn’t have issues. So no. Not like any bike. BMW do not own the market but I’m glad they exist. However I will never buy one.
@@enaniux182 That funny because with my dad it's the opposite, he's in his fifties with a diavel and I'm in my twenties with a R1200 RS.
8:20 that shot with blinking retroreflectors is beautiful.
also, at 2:40 engine sounds are amazingly fit with the music, dunno if it originally was there or your editors are this talented.
Man ,the editing, the story telling the pictures, the best designed review video for the best designed motorcycle.
Ryan - you should have put the GS on a scale. The 1300 GS comes in 30 kg! over the stated 237 kg wet)- this is with the typical extra packages installed (ready to ride). Despite the good design BMW dropped the ball on the weight target. A Swiss review channel put the the Big 3 adventure bikes on a scale (ready to ride) - BMW R1300GS 267 kg, Ducati V4S 257 kg and KTM 1290SAS 247 kg
Exactly. I never believed in the manufacturers' declared weight. Nowadays, you'll not find a big adventure bike (with like 1000+cc) which is at least 240-250kgs in weight. V Strom DE is at 250 kg. And I'm ok with that weight. But I'm not okay when people start to compare motorcycles just by brochure specs, like small kids.
the 1250 also comes in 20kg over the 250kg stated weight. Most weight almost 300kg.
That also means that they’ve done a good job hiding the wight or Ryan is telling bullshit…
Aneesh making a hell of a comeback, nice work as ever
I've seen Ryan riding to work, wearing that enormous, high vis onesie. You can see the dude for miles. Very effective. Lol
What exactly is this suit? Me like
Is Ryan moonlighting at night & holding the Slow/Stop sign at road construction sites? It either that or he is guiding planes to their gate at the airport in that outfit!
i need to know what suit this is!!!!
😅😅😅😅😅😂
The suit! Me want
Omg, the production of this video. The details ❤❤
I finally figured it out! It's an advanced stage firefighter maternity suit. Looks like it has a delivery pocket so mom can keep working after the child drops. You Canadians are a tough breed!
I was thinking a Minion/Teletubbie hybrid. I can't think of any neighborhood I've ever lived in that wearing that wouldn't get you beat up.
Do you have any link for us?
I have the 1250 and I fully agree with the Hill Climb Control: I use it mainly at incline (up but mostly down) stopping lights to avoid having to brake continuously. Then I take it off and do things manually when I need to start
I think Ryan is the review G.O.A.T. And… after having clicked over to check out some Flying Eyes, I thought "hmm…seems like a Gore-Tex style inspired review is in order for these $250 plastic bendy sunglasses." 💰😎
I have no words. This is absolutley extraordinary
In Australia we don't have the SOS button, and the HSC you mention can be set to Auto, Manual or Off quite easily. If you set it to Manual it works exactly as is does on the 1200 & 1250. Relay issue now fixed, so that's no longer an issue As for Vario cases. Don't buy them, just go soft panniers or 3rd party hard luggage like GIVI.
Yep, I went from an F800GS to an $8k 1200RT a couple of years ago (although I've yet to actually sell the GS). Mostly because I live I nNew England and the "adventure" riding in this part of the world is dirt roads or single track. Now if I lived in Utah... LOVE the RT although when used 850/900GSs with cruise control become cheap enough, the RT might get replaced. As long as I can hold up two wheels, I will ALWAYS keep my R90S!
Absolutely the most informative, most entertaining, and best produced motorcycle videos on the planet. I wish the magazines or their respective channels were half as good.
Love the nighttime filming. Great job by the camera crew in some of the toughest lighting conditions. This was a Masterclass in Videography!
Aneesh is back
yeah, especially that retrorreflector shot - damn it was unique and beautiful.
Man the music in this video combined with bmw scenery got me going
Bro. That ending monologue was deep!
So I’ll keep my vstrom and work less and be happy. Got It, thank you!
This summer, (not that anyone had asked) I got my first gravel bike (yes bycicle) for that manual pain through which I own what i ride. Definitely a struggle and i love it, going down in small forest hills with roots all over and bumps and I'm realizing this is harder than mountainbikes but more like a racecar feel and engagement. Strange. One day i will enjoy Yukon in one of these or likely not 1300 but small engine. Thank you for an amazing video and welcome to Yukon sometime.
Thank you. Honestly. I started looking at a brand new Goldwing, then thought about the new R1300gs, then remembered you made a video about it, only to find you reminding me that the point is riding, not owning the bestest, newest, most comfyest, most sophisticated machine on the banks asset sheet. Thank you.
Have a nice day. Sends missle is flippen hilarious!
"Whether or not you like the design will depend on whether or not you have taste" hahaha
Guess I don't have taste, because there's just something about that big burly asymmetrical 1250 GS
the asymmetrical headlight is pretty sick, gotta agree.
He didn't say you will like it, if you have taste. I rather think he implied the opposite. The 1300 GS is not a beautiful motorcycle and if you have taste you will probably think the same. But the design is crazy good from a technical standpoint
He never specified if "having taste" meant you like it or not (=
@Alphonselle
Preach! BMW's asymmetrical headlights on most of their bikes looked awesome. If not, psychotic; if, you look at the previous generation of the S1000RR and it’s single-R, scantily-clad sibling bike.
Now, without the asymmetry, BMW's current bikes just look generic. Mechanically, they’re still amazing. They just don’t have any (stylistic) character traits, outside of still committing to Boxer-Twins.
You're right there is something to it. We call it autism.
great video as always. We also need to comment BMW for improving the off road capabilites of a motorcycle that almost none of its owners is going to take off road, hell they do not even target those riders. Do not worry about having enough money after buying it to go arround the world with it, that's not their target group either :)
This is the kind of videos that got me into this channel, no suger coating anything.
If there's one thing that BMW is good at, that's helping people spend money on a bike they don't need.
Nice production. I almost forgot it was a bike review
Such a spot-on review and accurate parting shot. This is a rich man's toy. A fourth, or maybe even fifth bike. I think it's an awesome piece of kit and BMW have lifted the bar yet again. But, would I trade in my R1250GSA for this? Nah! Is it desirable and great fun on the trails? For sure; of this I have little doubt!. And, as usual, a top notch production. Well done, Ryan and your team!
If you can only have 1 bike in the garage, the GS is, in my opinion, the best choice. I'm just waiting to see the 1300GSA before I make a choice. Newer bikes just don't bring enough changes for me to trade in my R1200GSA
Just bought a 52 year old airhead, what I love about it, it does not call home and even better it does not need to call home, it simply runs and runs and runs.......
I just sold my reliable loaded 2006 1200gs for a 1992 100gs, so far I’m happy and amazed how well it rides and simple. The 1300 seems ridiculous with lane departure sensors and all that tech. I like to fix and service my own machine not have it go into limp mode for some sensor issue. Love my airhead
I watched twice in a row. At first, I got the whole idea. And the second one was just for my pleasure to watch something high quailty, well scripted, well edited. I am so glad F9 is a motorcycle enthusiast.
The 1300GS video i expected to see... awesome job Fnine! by the other hand... nobody talks about the old F650GS 2nd gen ... one of the most reliable bikes of the German Brand... and one of the greatest designs ever. It's intemporal, the designer of the bike was a genius from my point of view.
Really drove your point home with that last line. What a banger!
Very different techno-dance type video! Awesome!!!
"Rider outside of Starbucks zone. Press 1 to eliminate, Press 2 to talk."
*chefs kiss*
Ryan! This is what other channels cannnot replicate! You hit on stuff that others do not even think about! You are Invaluble Sir.
Thank you
I have a 2015 and I love it (just upgraded to it a few weeks ago in fact). But the pinnacle of the R1200GS IMO, was 2007 which I upgraded from. It was the lightest GS without the gosh-awful servo brakes of 05-06. It had no electronic extras that were not also practical. It was just a great bike.
The new suspension does intrigue me on the new model. Floaty/vagueness is the only detriment of the Telelever (but that only in off road situations or very extralegal road speed cornering). But overall the Telelever is the best real world riding suspension I have ever experienced in 40 years of riding - and what made me - a cheapskate - a BMW rider since about 2004 - so about half my in the saddle years.
Aneesh - the one; the only - welcome back, legend.
Another incredibly well designed and executed video….that’s the masterclass.
Damnit, another effing 5-star video. These guys are amazing.
I rode an RT in Austria, two weeks ago, for five days. Loved the bike, but it also made me love my FJR even more when I got back home..!
Incredible storytelling, beautiful shots, and a compelling narrator. You are everything us motorcycle content creators should aim for, big shoutouts for you guys, amazing video!
"and there is something cautionary about that image: a bike trying to go and dying because its rider was busy paying for it" goes way too hard
Best line - "Rider is outside of Starbucks service area"!
I want to see your opinion on the new Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally line. I went with the Tiger 1200 rally over the GS1300 and couldnt be happier with my choice. I think the Tiger is the king right now
I've heard this too. Curious about an objective review of the two
Riding my V-Strom through Utah right now. I'm glad to hear the new GS is lighter. That was the biggest improvement I noticed when leaving my 1100. The Strom (08) is 60 pounds lighter.
I hate electronics though. I love my fuel injection system, but I don't need anything more than that. Those are just more things to break and ruin my trip.
This bike has so many design quirks that make it unique and in the same time more likely to fail it getting worse of than competition. But still it's very popular. It's so cool to see the evolution of these machines from the very beginning that's like evolution in nature. Once you embark on a feature. Being the engine layout or particular rear wheel mount and shafts then the developers keep it and only make it better. Like evolution decided we will have two hemispheres a long time ago and we still have. I have only fully realised this when I was in the museum with machines from the beginning of last century. I wish everyone many happy and enjoyable miles.
I like the SOS button.Anytime I'm in the BMW palace and getting ready to sign on the dotted line, I'll press the SOS button..... and be SAVED!
You could teach a class in film editing with this video. Very well done.
Still loving my t7 buddy
Me too. After some much needed legit suspension upgrades, it’s a BDR beast. Even does well on two track and single track if you have the endurance. Not going to be seeing too many giant buses doing that very often.
Poetry. Art. Craft. Your videos continue to transcend mere "motorcycle RUclips content" and are in a class of their own. Bravo to the FortNine team.
Great advice, that's why I've now got a Honda 1200 Crosstourer after briefly coming away from adv bikes (VFR1200F), no one should have bought it new with the competition it had, its got no gizmos, its heavy and its 6 years old.
But I didnt have to get a loan, it'll only see the shop for servicing, its got a 1200cc V4 so its no slouch, it corners like a dream, and its better in almost every way than the 1200F it replaced because its better suited for the shite roads we have in the UK and can also do 200 miles on a tank.
For me my bike is a toy really, I'll use it for work sometimes in the summer, but really its for weekends and trips away so I cant really justify spending so much or financing a bike, that will do exactly what any other modern adv bike will do.
If i wkn the lottery then yes i probably would get either the 1300gs or the Multistrada, but not if i would notice that money missing
Never have i clicked so fast
4:41 is that a exhaust pipe glowing?
Yes, exhaust headers get very hot. Most will glow at night under load.
Yes. That tends to happen when you're running an engine hard at slow speeds.
looks like it.
He had the rear spinning in the wet sand. The sand did not have one small contact patch.
It was proof of a high torque environment.
Most bikes with a lower max torque output would stall, or they would burn out the clutch too quickly.
The next GS wont even start unless the rider is wearing a banana yellow jacket.
Hahaha
I own a 2006 R1200GS Adventure. Was buying it relatively cheap for 6k with about 100k km on the clock. Apart from the suspension, it still rides like new. I highly doubt that newer gen models can perform that well in terms of durability. Especially not the 1300. It may ride much better than my old big and heavy adventure, but I am still amazed how good my old gs handles as if the weight would be left in the garage when driving off. And pricewise, this is a much better deal I think. Also, I am not scared to drop it... In fact I already did once. It sat comfortably on a cover protected cylinder and a sturdy metal case... Got the bike back up and rode on, nothing to see here. Try that with those flimsy plastic cases. 30k Euro for a New 1300gs used to be Ducati money. And back then i also thought I would never buy a bike that costly. Even if i have the money. I just don't see the value for it, when you can have at least 90% the fun for much less.
I love your conclusion and the whole overview. This also points to a conclusion i got from other riders here in Romania: BMW bikes are expensive to maintain, both in mecanics hourly rate and in parts replacement or upgrade
Last line = best laugh. Well done, ya Canuck geniuses....
Very Smart Advice " I really think you should buy it. BUT not if you can afford it , you should buy it if you can afford so much more than 30k that you wont have to work longer for having spent it"
I bought a 2019 1250 for a steal a dream bike for nearly half off and only 2000mi on it the original owner spent 32k i got the receipts with the bike .....later i rented that bike and paid it off in less than 18mo so i bought a 2022 1250GSA my ultimate dream machine a bike for myself....the 2019 battery failed, ride height sensor failed , and the death was the starter one way clutch bearing failed , and to further complicate it i live on Maui Hi so no dealer....oh and the throttle on my 2022 failed under warranty but BMW wont help because i have to ship the bike to Oahu for a 15min eval at a 2000$ cost to me....lessons have been learned NEVER BUY FIRST GEN and make sure you build a work shop BEFORE you buy the bike so you can fix it yourself! Ill post the video later of the fixing of the One way clutch bearing..its a process!!!
Yeah, Hawaii is funny like this. Even here on Oahu support is poor now that CC owns the btrand
Let me tell you something funny. I just joined a BMW F900r/XR group on Facebook. The people in that group love LOVE to encourage people not to work on their bikes because" It will void the warranty" and they frequently imply anybody but a BMW mechanic is too stupid to work on one even things as simple as changing the oil. Your post and having seen many like it prove to me the warranty is all but useless in most cases. One video on youtube, Guy bought a brand new 1000RR. Babied it on the way home- the motor blew ON THE WAY HOME less than 50 miles on it. BMW would not honor the warranty. So that shows the value of a BMW warranty.
Rainy Day - F9 video. Lets go
Kudos to the audio mix - the revving engine with the track is killer. I have it on audio loop for an hour now.....really, really cool.... the rider outside the service area is the most resounding backhander that will resonate across the lazy torque junkies!!! That's too close to the bone fella.....
Ride
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Ryan
Informative and Gorgeous video as always. Raising the bar.
Edit: FYI, I came from the short for this video. It was a good idea to use the short like a trailer. I wasn't interested in this video, but the short hooked me. Well played.
So good - Self Immolating adventure bike cause the rider is stuck in work office trying to afford the repayments.
Love the BMW assist scenes with the missile launch. 🤣 Brilliant
Alles klar, Herr Kommissar??
Wow.
Great video and wonderful bike.
I'll keep my 90's DR650.
And my cell phone.
Will I ever be able to afford a beamer? No. Did it stop me from thorougly enjoying this video? Also no.
You can afford a BMW. Look at GS's from 2014 and older. They are under 10k now. Many under 8k. Put in 2-3 k yourself and you have an amazing bike that will last a long time. I've seen some 1200GS for 6-7k with 50k miles on them, That's nothing. Keep looking. I have an 09 1200GS and it does everything I'll ever need. Is hill assist necessary? No. Cruise control? no. Nice, but not necessary. I bet if you look right now on Cycletrader, you'll find a well maintained 09 GS for less than 8k.
Same... brother... same
This is so well produced, I feel like these get better every time. The writing, the editing, the music, the graphics, the fact that the whole thing was shot at night and still looks great.. everything is perfect.
Ryan idk if this is ever gonna reach you guys, but I love the video and the contents Fortnine is putting out and would love to put CC on it to reach audience in Asia! These quality contents must be seen by more people!
I'm still not a fan of that beak. Not sure why it's there when there's a low fender? They got rid of it on the F900 and it's so much better looking without it
Noticed that too, but they probably kept it "because it's iconic"
Beaks are a dealbreaker
Is it just me or does this new gs look smaller? It looks like they did some work to move away from a bike the size of a Mack truck.
It's a bit smaller. He mentioned compactness several times in video. However you're probably used to seeing older gs adventures( they have larger tanks luggage and engine bodywork protection)which are significantly bigger than standard gs's
It is smaller. I rode one a few months back, and I used to own a 1200. It's very much smaller. On my old 1200 I could flat foot one side only (load was for just rider). On the 1300, I can flat foot both feet and have some bend in my knees.
I mean its in the video lol. Condense and symetrical. Looks smaller because they shaved weight and streamlined the design aesthetic compared to the previous 1250
As the driver of a Mack truck I take mild offense to the idea that my truck is anywhere as girthy as a 1200.
Though yes. Like others have said, it is smaller.
Smaller as per the spec sheet, yes. But part of it is kind of an illusion - this one hasn't had the "throw the entire parts catalogue at it"-routine done yet. Which makes it look almost like a normal bike.
I feel smarter in my brain
Please never stop making videos,
Greetings from Bavaria
Ryan, you and your team are amazing! Those headers glowing while riding through sand and listening to your narrative is the best. Bravo!
The heck is he wearing? Is he going fishing in the Bering sea?