Got ball fitted after years of playing whatever ball. TP5 is what I came out with. Been over a year & a half and I’ve dropped 1.5 off my handicap. Not much but playing the same ball is key for consistency and TP5 is a great ball.
Love these comp videos. I have a weird video idea...fitters always tout the custom or high end shafts vs the OEM shafts because of the lower tolerances. Could you test 3 or 4 of the same exact OEM “stock” shafts vs each other to show the differences? IE Callaway Rogue with the stock even flow. 3 of the Exact same head and shaft to see variances, and then maybe chuck in a handcrafted to show how the variance is less. Thanks again guys!
A driver costs around 500 new with a given shaft , if you buy the same shaft aftermarket it will be around 300-500 up to 1500 or more if exotic , do you really think the shaft is the same regardless of what brand is on it , I have many shafts aftermarket , and tried many and taken straight out of your new driver the shaft is half the thickness ( internal wall ). Standard off the shelf drivers shafts are watered down versions of the real thing, the very same shaft aftermarket will be a huge difference in how it performs , this is my experience , the material,construction and materials are much better quality .
I hit both balls with my 5iron brand new from 230yds and they landed 2 feet from each other and went exactly the same distance at around 205 yds. I don't know if it is the familiarity or the sound but I prefer the "feel" of the prov1 over tp5. To me they perform identically, so it comes down to your personal preference for feel and price.
Great video. I have played them both. I like them both. I think the tp5 goes a touch higher or comes down steeper for me. They have a slightly different feel. Both feel great. It’s nice having a tp5 pix when playing in a foursome so no one in your group can mistakenly play your ball as theirs. The pix helps with putting feedback as well. A video covering how the wind affects various balls would be great. Also a video on how to judge how slope increases and decreases yardage distance out on the course.
Another great video, thank you. At the end you reference the various golf balls slated for the mid price ball test and mentioned the NXT. My understanding is that Titleist no longer makes the NXT, that it was replaced by Tour Soft.
Well done guys! Feels like apples to apples. By now we know what we get at $48 a dozen. We cant all afford that unfortunately. Lets see Chrome soft vs Supersoft. Pro V1 vs Velocity. TP5 vs Burner. Keep up the good work. Mich
I'd love to see this in actual hard data as I currently bounce between both. For ME the Tp-5 lunches higher off the tee with a slight advantage in distance over the (a), but in the mid-low irons the (a) performs better. Tp-5 feels softer with metal woods, (a) feels softer with irons, putter I can't tell them apart.
Just played 3 rounds with one ProV1. Shot 79, 77, 79. Only took it out of the bag at the end of yesterday's round because it has lost some of its luster and has a small scuff on it. Good ball. There is not a better ball out there. I have found the same as you with the TP5; it flies higher like the ProV1X. Both may get you a couple of yards more with your irons over the ProV1, as a result, which is no big deal.
great video as usual. I bounce back and forth between both these balls and found exactly what you have found. mark crossfield put out a video where he was at titlist in which they do an amazing job of explaining the aerodynamics of the ball and why they design the dimple patterns the way they do.
When doing the mid priced test, can you be sure to throw in the Q Star Tour, not just the normal Q Star? As far as name brand balls go, so far that has been the best "bang for your buck" ball as far as what you're paying, and the amount of performance from 80 yards and in that you get, which is really where the benefits/drawbacks of a ball really show themselves.
Great video guys it shows that Titleist are still the one to beat when it comes to golf balls.. On a different topic have you ever heard of the Harrison Shotmaker golf shaft insert that they claim can reduce shot dispersion up to 35% ....
yea on a sim and indoor they are prob the same. but when you put real grass and wind speed and air temp is what really matters. playing into wind and down wind is what really shows what it's doing. even greens conditions, but now days not a lot of fitters will take there trackman out of the store and onto a outdoor range to do a real ball ans club fittings.
With my senior swing and handicap, I've found that the Taylor Made Burner Soft ball (about 1/2 the price of the TP5) is a good fit. I might play one of the expensive balls if I found one but I won't pay that much for my game!
Very nice video guys . Golf balls really up to personal preference, budget will be the main concern The best way to do is to test the few shortlisted in your mind and then see which 1 individual likes . Not always the most expensive ball will give the best .
Great videos guys. I'd like to see a ball test of all balls from one manufacturer compared to each other to see the difference from the low priced to highest. Then compare each class of ball from different manufacturers.
One aspect that appears to overlooked is the swing speed - most testing is carried out by low handicap golfers with a fast swing speed - to get a balanced review it would be good to compare a slow swing vs a fast swing - Many thanks
You guys should do a video on shaft torque. I'd love to see Matt's results with a couple shafts that are very similar other than the torque, and it'd be interesting to hear how different they feel if they do. Thanks for the great videos guys!
Never really cared about the ball I play till I played the tp5 and honestly it’s my go to ball now I do find it longer off the tee then others. I shoot my best round 78 with it. The only other ball I play is Wilson staff urethane.
you told me to check back in with prov1 and prov1x...x is going a couple yards further but i just dont like the feel compared to prov1 which bleeds into confidence regardless of if it performs the same or not. but good video boys thanks!
Loosely backs up what I've been saying for years. There's so little to choose between the premium balls. I use all of them and they all do the same for me......Fore right!!
Big fan of your videos and data. Would like to clear up whether the current Foresight GC software has modeled exact aerodynamics for each specific current ball OR whether it just has a generic "Premium ball" aerodynamic model. If the aerodynamic packages make any notable difference, then the flights of both balls could be of significant difference even with exact same launch characteristics. It only radar systems used in open air that would tell one "The ball _actually_ flies like _this_". And when using radar like that, on should be aware of the Trackman "Last Data" stat - even radar can switch over to "estimating" trajectory when say Player interrupts radar line of sight to ball or a ‘Noisy’ environment
Great video boys... ill admit never been a titleist fan until the new AVX. Swapped and changed a bit with ball and for me not a lot of difference between the pro vs and the TPs. I find I have to move away from the x balls in the cold melbourne winters cause the performance seems to drop off. Love to see a video on a FLO'd club and standard of the shelf club. How much difference does it actually make.
Titleist's revenue is the golf ball, Taylormade's is equipment....each dabbles into the others territory with premium grade offerings with limited success ($$$). In the meantime while these innovation wars rage on, we get to enjoy finding out which of their products work best for us. A++ gents...
Are we going to get the revisit to the ball fitting? Maybe how different ball characterics fit certain players. Like a high speed blade player vs slower players distance irons players
Love the TP5’s but I can’t play the ProV1’s to save my life....but I can easily game the ProV1x any day, strange but it just works for me. Great video guys!
Hi Guys, I truly appreciate all of the information your sharing through your RUclips channel. I was wondering why, in all of your ball testing The Bridgestone Tour B series wasn't included? It seems as though it's the only "premium" ball u haven't looked at. Thanks...
Great video! Was so curious to see the results. How comparable are the results between your videos on golfballtesting? So TP5 vs TP5x... just thinking since it’s a different day and Suff...
Actually, just checked with your video from 2 weeks ago on X model balls... some new swing changes going on Matt? 😜 quite a bit less spin on a 7 iron in this video and around 5mph less ball speed on driver 🤷🏻♂️
While I do use the tp5 ball, will I be getting the full range of benefits from this premium ball with my moderate driver club head speed ( roughly 85 mph ).
What about new chrome soft with graphene versus older chrome softs? My brother in law got the graphene version and they seem much harder and spin less on pitch shots around the green. Thanks
Having been given a sleeve of TP5 balls, the thing I noticed was that the printing came off quite quickly. As high handicap senior, couldn't really see or feel any performance changes compared to cheap balls
Great video again lads ..have question for you two.just watch a challenge tour event for four days and I noticed prob 70 per cent were playing kbs shafts in there irons...why would this be ...keep up the great videos
I love these golf ball tests. Any way to get the new Snell RED tested? against the black and other industry standard. I think y'all use the ProV line for that.
I've noticed that I like and play a ProV1 with red numbers better than the black numbered balls. It *used* to be that red numbers meant 90 compression and black numbers meant 100 compression, but I don't think that's the case any more. What does the color of numbers mean today? (Seems a Red lettered/red numbered is out there also.) Thanks for a great channel
Hey guys. Little confused. Why do your spin numbers in this video so much lower than your previous video?..(Premium 'X' Model Golf Balls - Iron/Wedge Testing) It seems these spin less than the avx and the pro v1 is spinning way less than all the other x models. Thanks
Hi, I was wondering if there's a way to know the remaining spin value/axis at impact when the ball is at carry distance ? Pretty sure guys at foresight use that piece of informations on wedge shots to get the ball zipping back on some shots on not others. And it's probably there too as one of the variables for the amount of roll on all other shots. That question popped up in my mind when you were talking about the behavior in the wind. If a ball starts at 100% backspin, how much remains at impact and which balls keep most of that spin. Thanks for all those very informative vids. Too bad Toronto is way too far away from Paris/France to come and have a full fitting (Maybe guys at TrueSpecGolf are the closest to your philosophy ?)
Great content as always. Can you do a test on the budget end of the market, e.g callaway supersoft. ..srixon ultisoft and wilson duo. Then compare with the 2 piece snell, oncore and vice versions. Cheers
How important do you think it is to use the same model of ball consistently? I have not bought a golf ball in 9 years, because I find so many out on the course- we have thick forest and plenty of golfers too scared of Australian snakes to look for their ball. Usually end up practising with a mix of mid-range balls, and using a variety of premium balls during competition. I've probably saved a heap of money over that time. But my handicap is down to 5 and I wonder if my game would benefit by keeping the feel, spin and distance characteristics of my ball constant.
There's definitely a benefit to using the same ball, especially when it comes to the short game and distance control with the irons. If you're varying the amount of launch and spin, two shots hit with the same delivery are potentially going to produce different results, which makes it tough to develop consistency and feel in your game.
Thanks. Will you do a follow-up video comparing the 'x' balls (ProV1x, TP5x, Chrome Soft x etc) on iron and wedge shots? I believe you have only compared them using driver so far.
RE: Matt’s comment about “Feature activation”. From your testing, it appears that ball speeds at 130mph or lower tend to generate fairly similar launch conditions and ball flights across these balls. However, higher Driver ball speeds really show larger variance in distance (thinking about the Snell MTB vs. Pro V1 video from some weeks ago). My question, at what ball speed does would the distance features ‘activate’? For example, my 6 iron (TaylorMade P790 Modus 130 shaft) has a ball speed of 142 mph, would I expect to see distance variances activate? I probably have to test these balls with each club to find the answer.
Ps Another great B2B Review Gents. I found a Brand new Titleist PRO V1X in the rough a few weeks ago and have been playing with it ever since (that is until this morning, when I over Drew into some Jungle, damn!) Anyway, I have to say that I found it`s performance to be outstanding! Long off the Tee and great around the Green. I`m really going to miss that Ball!! I`m now on the look out to find a TM TP5X to see how that compares with the PRO V1X and will report back on my findings.
I keep looking, but no luck so far. Which either means that no one is using them at my Course or they are really good and they don`t end up in the jungle! Ps How you they compare to PRO V1 & X`s?
Hey guys the local pga tour store here in Dallas has practice bay rentals that gives you launch, ball speed, spin etc. but to get the most accurate numbers you have to use one of their balls with the black marks on it. how accurate would what you're seeing numbers wise be to real conditions with a premium ball? should you add/subtract spin? say compared to an AVX. I'm asking for a friend 😆
Is it possible that they're using a premium ball with the black marks on it? Not seen their setup personally so sorry not to be of much help on this one!
Ian , have you ever tried wilson stafg fg tour balls on test . I feel they are same quality as prov1 . Your thoughts would be good . Cheers from your homeland 😄
MopTopTeenyBop, I heard them say they have some Q Star to test in the future. So keep an eye out. As I understand it AD333 and Q star are the same ball, just different names for different regions in the world. ( check out Srixon UK and Srixon USA web sites. You’ll see what I mean. ) Have purchased both in UK and USA and they certainly seem to be the same. Decent ball for a mid handicap club player, Good off the tee, stop well on the green, feel nice off the putter. Great price. You can’t go wrong.
Mark Crossfield visited the Titleist factory and basically found that what separates Titleist from the others is how precisely they center the core and control the thickness of each layer. They claim nobody else comes close. He went from playing a Chrome Soft to Titleist pretty much right after that.
You guys are amazing in the quantity and quality of truly interesting and illuminating content you are putting out. Being a mid-handicapper myself, I likely won't tell the difference between these or several other of the top tier balls. So how do I make my choice, when your metrics are geared towards the better player? Well, there is a metric you have not been using in your tests and its a real one: Tour Player Inspiration Factor. We all know a large degree of our golf game depends on what we have going on in our minds...what head game we have operating on any given day. Well, regardless of your tests, if I am playing a ProV1 and as I place the ball on my tee, if give a nod to how far and straight I just saw Tiger or Brooks hit the same ball two weeks ago, I'm gonna hit that sucker better. Confidence factor. Should you add that to your evaluation metrics, perhaps?! :)
The weekend golfers can’t throw money away on expensive balls. Let’s see Wilson titanium 10 bucks vs callaway super soft 21 bucks vs Bridgestone E6 30 bucks. Best budget balls I’ve seen.
I have myself convinced they have more stopping power on approach shots than anything else (I say they are like velcro!) but I might just like the matte feel and color for all I know...
into wind TP5 flys better and still gets the distance you are needing... ProV gets knocked down. side wind ProV gets blown offline real bad vs TP5 actually doesnt go offline like ProV did. I got 10y more with TP5 & TourB XS then ProV was giving me.. overall TP5 & TourB XS beats ProV1 on distance control in wind and spin around green for me... they are cheaper and lot better
Bridgestone have all those engineers from their parent company to rely on. Tires for MotoGP, Formula 1, World Superbike and on and on. No wonder Ping knew they had a good ball
Do not get it twisted, the tp5 has passed the pro v1 and is now the gold standard. Best ball I have ever used, by far in regards to shot shaping, feel around the green, and flight through the wind. They only cost $39/dozen to boot. I will concede that it doesn’t have the greatest durability, but that’s the only con considering it’s ultra high performance. - 2 handicapper
The USGA should stop all pay for play then we would see what equipment and which balls really are the best. I believe the average consumer would benefit because then pros would not be influenced by contracts and amateurs would not be influenced by professionals video marketing for said companies ....
'Don't think Taylormade will ever be able to quite compete with Bridgestone's revenues at $3.6 trillion USD to their (KPS Capital Partners) 'miserly' $5.7 billion in total assets.. lol
PPs If anyone finds a Titleist PRO V1X with a Red dot on it anywhere in Bolton, can I have it back please? You will find me searching in the undergrowth looking for a TP5X LOL
Hey ian, can we get this rematch with the 2019 balls ? Battle of the titans round 2 ?
TP5 is an amazing ball. High spin around greens, long off tee, long off irons. Feels great off clubs, wedges and putter. It is mu favorite ball.
Got ball fitted after years of playing whatever ball. TP5 is what I came out with. Been over a year & a half and I’ve dropped 1.5 off my handicap. Not much but playing the same ball is key for consistency and TP5 is a great ball.
Love these comp videos. I have a weird video idea...fitters always tout the custom or high end shafts vs the OEM shafts because of the lower tolerances. Could you test 3 or 4 of the same exact OEM “stock” shafts vs each other to show the differences? IE Callaway Rogue with the stock even flow. 3 of the Exact same head and shaft to see variances, and then maybe chuck in a handcrafted to show how the variance is less. Thanks again guys!
Derek Ryan
That's a great idea...
I'm betting the tolerances are not similar....
A driver costs around 500 new with a given shaft , if you buy the same shaft aftermarket it will be around 300-500 up to 1500 or more if exotic , do you really think the shaft is the same regardless of what brand is on it , I have many shafts aftermarket , and tried many and taken straight out of your new driver the shaft is half the thickness ( internal wall ). Standard off the shelf drivers shafts are watered down versions of the real thing, the very same shaft aftermarket will be a huge difference in how it performs , this is my experience , the material,construction and materials are much better quality .
I really liked the no rubbish approach to the matter, new subscriber here, keep the good job mates
I hit both balls with my 5iron brand new from 230yds and they landed 2 feet from each other and went exactly the same distance at around 205 yds.
I don't know if it is the familiarity or the sound but I prefer the "feel" of the prov1 over tp5. To me they perform identically, so it comes down to your personal preference for feel and price.
Great video. I have played them both. I like them both. I think the tp5 goes a touch higher or comes down steeper for me. They have a slightly different feel. Both feel great. It’s nice having a tp5 pix when playing in a foursome so no one in your group can mistakenly play your ball as theirs. The pix helps with putting feedback as well. A video covering how the wind affects various balls would be great. Also a video on how to judge how slope increases and decreases yardage distance out on the course.
Thans a lot for this great video. We all have to think about our choice of golf balls...
Another great video, thank you. At the end you reference the various golf balls slated for the mid price ball test and mentioned the NXT. My understanding is that Titleist no longer makes the NXT, that it was replaced by Tour Soft.
Yes tour soft will be the one we test.
"Activate the various layers of compression..." - interesting note!
Well done guys! Feels like apples to apples. By now we know what we get at $48 a dozen. We cant all afford that unfortunately. Lets see Chrome soft vs Supersoft. Pro V1 vs Velocity. TP5 vs Burner. Keep up the good work. Mich
except swap Burner to Project (a)
Tp5 vs project a!
I'd love to see this in actual hard data as I currently bounce between both. For ME the Tp-5 lunches higher off the tee with a slight advantage in distance over the (a), but in the mid-low irons the (a) performs better. Tp-5 feels softer with metal woods, (a) feels softer with irons, putter I can't tell them apart.
Just played 3 rounds with one ProV1. Shot 79, 77, 79. Only took it out of the bag at the end of yesterday's round because it has lost some of its luster and has a small scuff on it. Good ball. There is not a better ball out there. I have found the same as you with the TP5; it flies higher like the ProV1X. Both may get you a couple of yards more with your irons over the ProV1, as a result, which is no big deal.
great video as usual. I bounce back and forth between both these balls and found exactly what you have found. mark crossfield put out a video where he was at titlist in which they do an amazing job of explaining the aerodynamics of the ball and why they design the dimple patterns the way they do.
When testing Srixon don't forget about the Q-Star Tour. It is on the higher end of the middle ball market but is a great value.
I don't even play golf (too fat and too poor) but I look forward to each and every one of your videos guys. Thanks!
You need to start. No such thing as too poor or too fat. You can do it!
When doing the mid priced test, can you be sure to throw in the Q Star Tour, not just the normal Q Star? As far as name brand balls go, so far that has been the best "bang for your buck" ball as far as what you're paying, and the amount of performance from 80 yards and in that you get, which is really where the benefits/drawbacks of a ball really show themselves.
Great video guys it shows that Titleist are still the one to beat when it comes to golf balls..
On a different topic have you ever heard of the Harrison Shotmaker golf shaft insert that they claim can reduce shot dispersion up to 35% ....
Very insightful video as always. Thank you for the great information. You two are the reason this is my favorite and the BEST RUclips channel.
Thanks for watching Anthony!!
yea on a sim and indoor they are prob the same. but when you put real grass and wind speed and air temp is what really matters. playing into wind and down wind is what really shows what it's doing. even greens conditions, but now days not a lot of fitters will take there trackman out of the store and onto a outdoor range to do a real ball ans club fittings.
With my senior swing and handicap, I've found that the Taylor Made Burner Soft ball (about 1/2 the price of the TP5) is a good fit. I might play one of the expensive balls if I found one but I won't pay that much for my game!
Very nice video guys .
Golf balls really up to personal preference, budget will be the main concern
The best way to do is to test the few shortlisted in your mind and then see which 1 individual likes .
Not always the most expensive ball will give the best .
Great videos guys. I'd like to see a ball test of all balls from one manufacturer compared to each other to see the difference from the low priced to highest. Then compare each class of ball from different manufacturers.
One aspect that appears to overlooked is the swing speed - most testing is carried out by low handicap golfers with a fast swing speed - to get a balanced review it would be good to compare a slow swing vs a fast swing - Many thanks
Thank you for uploading this! Highly awaited information here.
Thks for these informations. You’ve recently talked about Srixon balls. Next time, would be nice if you cuold put it against ProV and TP 5
You guys should do a video on shaft torque. I'd love to see Matt's results with a couple shafts that are very similar other than the torque, and it'd be interesting to hear how different they feel if they do. Thanks for the great videos guys!
Agree.
Never really cared about the ball I play till I played the tp5 and honestly it’s my go to ball now I do find it longer off the tee then others. I shoot my best round 78 with it. The only other ball I play is Wilson staff urethane.
you told me to check back in with prov1 and prov1x...x is going a couple yards further but i just dont like the feel compared to prov1 which bleeds into confidence regardless of if it performs the same or not. but good video boys thanks!
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Loosely backs up what I've been saying for years. There's so little to choose between the premium balls. I use all of them and they all do the same for me......Fore right!!
Big fan of your videos and data. Would like to clear up whether the current Foresight GC software has modeled exact aerodynamics for each specific current ball OR whether it just has a generic "Premium ball" aerodynamic model.
If the aerodynamic packages make any notable difference, then the flights of both balls could be of significant difference even with exact same launch characteristics. It only radar systems used in open air that would tell one "The ball _actually_ flies like _this_". And when using radar like that, on should be aware of the Trackman "Last Data" stat - even radar can switch over to "estimating" trajectory when say Player interrupts radar line of sight to ball or a ‘Noisy’ environment
No aerodynamics data with Foresight, would need to use Trackman outdoors to test that variable.
Great video boys... ill admit never been a titleist fan until the new AVX. Swapped and changed a bit with ball and for me not a lot of difference between the pro vs and the TPs. I find I have to move away from the x balls in the cold melbourne winters cause the performance seems to drop off.
Love to see a video on a FLO'd club and standard of the shelf club. How much difference does it actually make.
Titleist's revenue is the golf ball, Taylormade's is equipment....each dabbles into the others territory with premium grade offerings with limited success ($$$). In the meantime while these innovation wars rage on, we get to enjoy finding out which of their products work best for us. A++ gents...
Are we going to get the revisit to the ball fitting? Maybe how different ball characterics fit certain players. Like a high speed blade player vs slower players distance irons players
Thanks for another smart video. Please include Project A in your mid price test.
Is there every any difference in weight from model to model? TP5 feels heavier to me. It also seems to make a louder sound off the driver
Love the TP5’s but I can’t play the ProV1’s to save my life....but I can easily game the ProV1x any day, strange but it just works for me.
Great video guys!
I would really like to see a test on the new Bridgestone line of balls to see the difference in them.
Hi Guys, I truly appreciate all of the information your sharing through your RUclips channel. I was wondering why, in all of your ball testing The Bridgestone Tour B series wasn't included? It seems as though it's the only "premium" ball u haven't looked at. Thanks...
Have a sleeve waiting to test Jon! We'll get to it for sure at some point soon.
Hope to see a test for the Bridgestone Tour B XS.
I know the TP Red was awesome in the wind. A two club wind turned into a one club wind with the Red. Maybe the TP5 has the Red dimple pattern?
In relation to swing speed at what point does it become more preferable for the ball to spin more with the driver?
Lower swing speeds generally benefit from more spin to keep the ball in the air longer for more carry
Great video! Was so curious to see the results. How comparable are the results between your videos on golfballtesting? So TP5 vs TP5x... just thinking since it’s a different day and Suff...
Actually, just checked with your video from 2 weeks ago on X model balls... some new swing changes going on Matt? 😜 quite a bit less spin on a 7 iron in this video and around 5mph less ball speed on driver 🤷🏻♂️
While I do use the tp5 ball, will I be getting the full range of benefits from this premium ball with my moderate driver club head speed ( roughly 85 mph ).
What about new chrome soft with graphene versus older chrome softs? My brother in law got the graphene version and they seem much harder and spin less on pitch shots around the green. Thanks
Having been given a sleeve of TP5 balls, the thing I noticed was that the printing came off quite quickly. As high handicap senior, couldn't really see or feel any performance changes compared to cheap balls
Can you do a review on Srixon Qstar tour?
What about a review of the 2019 srixon/xv and the taylormade tp5/x? Would love to see one of those.
What do you think about the Bridgestone B XS? I wonder how does it compare with these two.
Love these vids! Maybe next pro v vs. the Bridgestone x or xs (tiger ball)?
Made this comment before the end of the vid lol
Glad Bridgestone is coming soon!
Great video again lads ..have question for you two.just watch a challenge tour event for four days and I noticed prob 70 per cent were playing kbs shafts in there irons...why would this be ...keep up the great videos
I love these golf ball tests. Any way to get the new Snell RED tested? against the black and other industry standard. I think y'all use the ProV line for that.
Yup more Snell and Vice tests are on out list
I would love to see the bridgestone b xs vs pro v1.
I've noticed that I like and play a ProV1 with red numbers better than the black numbered balls. It *used* to be that red numbers meant 90 compression and black numbers meant 100 compression, but I don't think that's the case any more. What does the color of numbers mean today? (Seems a Red lettered/red numbered is out there also.) Thanks for a great channel
Red numbers are Prov1x and black numbers are Prov1 - the x model is a firmer compression, lower spin ball
Hey guys. Little confused. Why do your spin numbers in this video so much lower than your previous video?..(Premium 'X' Model Golf Balls - Iron/Wedge Testing) It seems these spin less than the avx and the pro v1 is spinning way less than all the other x models. Thanks
Human variable, impossible to swing the same with every test. Have to take each test as a standalone results to some degree.
Have you tested the 2021 versions?
Great video! What happened to why in the bag?
We were planning to do for the PGA but Brooks won again and we did his bag for the US open!
said this a few times, but would still love to see a "best" ball for people who play blades. :)
Still want to see the best value for money ball in the UK, Srixon AD333 Tour...
Ian, can you comment on the effect of the wind on these ball tests?
Not yet, we'd have to do some outdoor testing with Trackman
Hi, I was wondering if there's a way to know the remaining spin value/axis at impact when the ball is at carry distance ? Pretty sure guys at foresight use that piece of informations on wedge shots to get the ball zipping back on some shots on not others. And it's probably there too as one of the variables for the amount of roll on all other shots. That question popped up in my mind when you were talking about the behavior in the wind. If a ball starts at 100% backspin, how much remains at impact and which balls keep most of that spin. Thanks for all those very informative vids. Too bad Toronto is way too far away from Paris/France to come and have a full fitting (Maybe guys at TrueSpecGolf are the closest to your philosophy ?)
Great content as always. Can you do a test on the budget end of the market, e.g callaway supersoft. ..srixon ultisoft and wilson duo. Then compare with the 2 piece snell, oncore and vice versions. Cheers
For sure Paul, mid-range balls will be our next ball test but we can certainly note this one for the future.
do the volvik vivids add driver distance and how much spin do they lose on wedge shots
2021 tp5 vs pro v1?!?! Please
How important do you think it is to use the same model of ball consistently? I have not bought a golf ball in 9 years, because I find so many out on the course- we have thick forest and plenty of golfers too scared of Australian snakes to look for their ball. Usually end up practising with a mix of mid-range balls, and using a variety of premium balls during competition. I've probably saved a heap of money over that time. But my handicap is down to 5 and I wonder if my game would benefit by keeping the feel, spin and distance characteristics of my ball constant.
There's definitely a benefit to using the same ball, especially when it comes to the short game and distance control with the irons. If you're varying the amount of launch and spin, two shots hit with the same delivery are potentially going to produce different results, which makes it tough to develop consistency and feel in your game.
Thanks. Will you do a follow-up video comparing the 'x' balls (ProV1x, TP5x, Chrome Soft x etc) on iron and wedge shots? I believe you have only compared them using driver so far.
Yup we did: ruclips.net/video/GLnKzcapZH8/видео.html
Can we see the refurbished pro v's vs new
New vs Refurbished vs different "quality" rescued balls - down to scuff bag quality
Are you two serious? Wow...go play soccer...it’s cheaper
Can you please test both these balls on the course
What about durability, especially with wedge shots?
RE: Matt’s comment about “Feature activation”. From your testing, it appears that ball speeds at 130mph or lower tend to generate fairly similar launch conditions and ball flights across these balls. However, higher Driver ball speeds really show larger variance in distance (thinking about the Snell MTB vs. Pro V1 video from some weeks ago). My question, at what ball speed does would the distance features ‘activate’? For example, my 6 iron (TaylorMade P790 Modus 130 shaft) has a ball speed of 142 mph, would I expect to see distance variances activate? I probably have to test these balls with each club to find the answer.
Earnest Farley, "Swing Speeds" or "Ball Speeds"???
A Paul McDonough Ball speeds
Earnest Farley, I thought so. 🤔
Those would have been "Rips" for "Swing Speeds"!!!! 🤑
A Paul McDonough And it would caused permanent damage!!
Earnest Farley 😁 🤢
Ps Another great B2B Review Gents. I found a Brand new Titleist PRO V1X in the rough a few weeks ago and have been playing with it ever since (that is until this morning, when I over Drew into some Jungle, damn!) Anyway, I have to say that I found it`s performance to be outstanding! Long off the Tee and great around the Green. I`m really going to miss that Ball!! I`m now on the look out to find a TM TP5X to see how that compares with the PRO V1X and will report back on my findings.
Classic that's what I do I'm one ahead of you I've already found tp5x and tp5
I keep looking, but no luck so far. Which either means that no one is using them at my Course or they are really good and they don`t end up in the jungle!
Ps How you they compare to PRO V1 & X`s?
Can we get some Wilson staff duo soft vs srixon Z star vs tigers Bridgestone ball
Hey guys the local pga tour store here in Dallas has practice bay rentals that gives you launch, ball speed, spin etc. but to get the most accurate numbers you have to use one of their balls with the black marks on it. how accurate would what you're seeing numbers wise be to real conditions with a premium ball? should you add/subtract spin? say compared to an AVX. I'm asking for a friend 😆
Is it possible that they're using a premium ball with the black marks on it? Not seen their setup personally so sorry not to be of much help on this one!
Good question. There isn’t a label on the ball but It doesn’t really feel like a premium ball.
Ian , have you ever tried wilson stafg fg tour balls on test . I feel they are same quality as prov1 . Your thoughts would be good . Cheers from your homeland 😄
Without looking back guys have you tested the AD 333.....and if so, what do you think???
Haven't tested that one yet
MopTopTeenyBop, I heard them say they have some Q Star to test in the future. So keep an eye out. As I understand it AD333 and Q star are the same ball, just different names for different regions in the world. ( check out Srixon UK and Srixon USA web sites. You’ll see what I mean. )
Have purchased both in UK and USA and they certainly seem to be the same. Decent ball for a mid handicap club player, Good off the tee, stop well on the green, feel nice off the putter. Great price. You can’t go wrong.
Mark Crossfield visited the Titleist factory and basically found that what separates Titleist from the others is how precisely they center the core and control the thickness of each layer. They claim nobody else comes close. He went from playing a Chrome Soft to Titleist pretty much right after that.
Saw that video, was interesting for sure!
Please take into consideration that Crossfield is paid by Titleist.
Cross field gets them for free , with the top end balls being so similar why wouldn’t he swap , he’s not really losing anything ,
You guys are amazing in the quantity and quality of truly interesting and illuminating content you are putting out. Being a mid-handicapper myself, I likely won't tell the difference between these or several other of the top tier balls. So how do I make my choice, when your metrics are geared towards the better player? Well, there is a metric you have not been using in your tests and its a real one: Tour Player Inspiration Factor. We all know a large degree of our golf game depends on what we have going on in our minds...what head game we have operating on any given day. Well, regardless of your tests, if I am playing a ProV1 and as I place the ball on my tee, if give a nod to how far and straight I just saw Tiger or Brooks hit the same ball two weeks ago, I'm gonna hit that sucker better. Confidence factor. Should you add that to your evaluation metrics, perhaps?! :)
The cool factor Paul!! 😉
What about vice pro balls against pro v1s see what the difference is?
ruclips.net/video/le6uMUeiZGA/видео.html
can we get the 2019 version of these 2 balls?
2019 prov testing is coming very soon
The weekend golfers can’t throw money away on expensive balls. Let’s see Wilson titanium 10 bucks vs callaway super soft 21 bucks vs Bridgestone E6 30 bucks. Best budget balls I’ve seen.
Doesn’t 6-7 yds (18-21ft) of rollout seem too much for a 7 iron?
Just the software simulation when it lands on the fairway, wouldn't roll that much in real life
Any chance of adding Volvik Vivids into the mix?
I believe we have a sleeve in the shop somewhere...
I have myself convinced they have more stopping power on approach shots than anything else (I say they are like velcro!) but I might just like the matte feel and color for all I know...
How about a Hammer driver?
into wind TP5 flys better and still gets the distance you are needing... ProV gets knocked down. side wind ProV gets blown offline real bad vs TP5 actually doesnt go offline like ProV did. I got 10y more with TP5 & TourB XS then ProV was giving me.. overall TP5 & TourB XS beats ProV1 on distance control in wind and spin around green for me... they are cheaper and lot better
Can we have a what’s in the bag with Matt? Including ball?
Coming soon Louis! Just having the last few clubs built and we'll be ready to go.
TXG Tour Experience Golf Love it! Keep up the good work
Can we see pro v1 vs Srixon z star
Bridgestone have all those engineers from their parent company to rely on. Tires for MotoGP, Formula 1, World Superbike and on and on. No wonder Ping knew they had a good ball
Do not get it twisted, the tp5 has passed the pro v1 and is now the gold standard. Best ball I have ever used, by far in regards to shot shaping, feel around the green, and flight through the wind. They only cost $39/dozen to boot. I will concede that it doesn’t have the greatest durability, but that’s the only con considering it’s ultra high performance. - 2 handicapper
Idea for a video: "Are modern drivers really Draw proof?"
It's all physics!
The USGA should stop all pay for play then we would see what equipment and which balls really are the best.
I believe the average consumer would benefit because then pros would not be influenced by contracts and amateurs would not be influenced by professionals video marketing for said companies ....
Rodney Greenwell I love all of that but a lot of golf companies would suffer so that’s probably why they don’t
The Golf industry is a business.
The Bandit has always been a Fan of "Extremely Large Dimples"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I nearly choked on my lunch when I hear Ian say, "extremely large Dimples", only it wasn`t Dimples that I heard!
I really must get my hearing tested!!
'Don't think Taylormade will ever be able to quite compete with Bridgestone's revenues at $3.6 trillion USD to their (KPS Capital Partners) 'miserly' $5.7 billion in total assets.. lol
data shows taylormade is better.
Youngsun Kim that would only be true if a robot was testing. Too close not to factor in the human element
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PPs If anyone finds a Titleist PRO V1X with a Red dot on it anywhere in Bolton, can I have it back please? You will find me searching in the undergrowth looking for a TP5X LOL
I lost pro vi on edge of pond I must remember to get sand bunker rack and get it out
Oh man I hate loosing Balls, it ruins my year if I lose one!
Lol you sound hard up
Indeed, down to my last £M! Just my crazy humour, LOL.
Since I heard titlesit went woke with not allowing let’s go Brandon on their balls, I’m changing to tp5
too much talking which is not needed. Too much time wasted