I swear this channel has the best music scores ever. This is the ONLY golf page that I DO NOT skip through the intro to avoid crappy music. Love the background music, so majestic!
Made the switch to Snell for the 2019 season and haven't looked back. Absolutely the best ball (pound for pound) on the market. I trust Dean over any ball manufacturer in the game today.
I'm glad y'all made this video. I'm playing professionally and I've been using the snell MTB for over a year now. Having played the prov1x my entire life I can't tell the difference besides the price.
Bought 3 TP5 balls to try out on the course. Absolutely loved the feel until I had lost 2 on the front 9. Yep, sticking with cheap balls till that ball loss rate decreases.......
Robert Bowman that’s the main thing in all this. When I first started 5-6 years ago I didn’t care about the kind of ball I was using. I started shooting 100-105 from the tips. Two years ago I started shooting in the mid to low 80s way more consistently and went into last year saying that if I didn’t break 80 I would quit. Last year I broke 80 for the first time. This year I’ve started researching balls finally. Didn’t know Bridgestone made balls for Nike all those years. I started using used Prov1s last year and started hitting the ball further. Was putting drives in spots I never did before. Did I get a little better at golf to break 80? Did the ball help a lot? Probably a bit of both.
I just started back golfing last year. I found a Snell ball in the woods and tried it. I was shock at the feel and the distance of it. I now buy used Snell balls for when I’m playing the woods or water and new when I’m relatively safe play. Even though the balls are both inexpensive, I still cringe when I lose one, lol.
Been playing with the Vice Pro balls for 2 years now...you can’t beat the value and the performance is just as good as the others including the Pro V1s and TP5s. Thanks for the review. Can’t wait to show this to the ball snobs I play with!
I used to play ProV1, but tried 5 dozen Vice Pro+ last season and a couple dozen Snell Black and Red over the past few weeks. I've got a 100mph swing speed, and my index is 11 (down from 12 last year when I was using ProV1)... Overall, the balls are very similar - it's hard to say which are best. Although I think I'm leaning towards the Snell Red since they seem to spin more into the greens and really hold well. I'll probably just buy 6 dozen at the discounted price of US$27/doz, which is much better than the US$48/doz ProV1 price. Titliest is just not worth the extra money, and since nobody else at my club uses Snell (for now), I don't have to waste time marking my balls
I played the original Snell and now the red line and they are amazing. Have a few people hooked on them and I hope everyone gives them a chance! Great testing guys. Also the Vice gloves are amazing and the price is right on too!
The Snell MTB black and red are great. I went with their trial pack and liked red for the extra short iron, greenside extra spin. Definitely a great ball especially for the price. I'm guessing you guys used the Snell black, or the original MTB (original is basically what the black is now but with a touch lower compression). As always great content you guys are putting out.
Currently undergoing swing changes to address some issues but I’ve always spun and launched the ball WAY to high, especially with my irons. It took me a long time to try and go away from the prov type balls to a “cheaper” ball but I’m liking the performance of the vice tour and actually have been able to play a bit better in windy conditions with it. Just highlights what you are saying about trying things for yourself. Great video, as always.
I've switched from ProV1* to VicePro+. No difference at all except half the price😉. I also found that the Vice is more predectible on back spin on the green than ProV. Cost is approx 35$cdn per dzn delivered to your home when order 5 dzn. You can also order a selected pack that have 5 different sleeves so you can try all of their balls.
On course I payed the ProV1 and Vice Pro this year, 120 yards and in my scores were better with the ProV1 as it was easier to control consistent trajectory and spin for me. I played the ProV1 in tourneys and money rounds and the Vice Pro for everything else, helps take the sting out of premium ball cost.
Did a ball fitting with Cam last summer and ended up with the Snells. Can’t say enough about how good they are and at the price point really can’t be beat!
I commented about the cut blue last year hoping you guys would test it. I was actually testing a bunch of budget balls at the time. Within the year I decided that the OnCore Elixr was the best ball out there for me. Funny to go back and watch this video and see that it hung in with the ProV1 so well. Keep up the great work boys. Still loving the videos
I bought a test pack of the Snell MTBs and finally tried them out today on my home course (Deerwood). Y’all will know the 4th hole as the 18th hole of the US Open in the movie Tin Cup lol. Both of these balls were fantastic compared to my gamer (Pro V1X)....tons of zip with wedges and chip shots, soft feel off the putter, and cut through the wind like butter off the tee!!
Great video! Maybe going forward the Srixon's Q Star Tour is a budget ball that works well for slower swing speeds. A video going forward on the improved performance with mid handicap swing speeds.
Balls are so close in performance. I may not should say this but I am great at finding the previous generation of tour Srixon or tour Bridgestone balls online, brand new for even less then these non-mainstream balls. I figure the B330s or Zstar XV that the pros were playing just a year or 2 ago is just fine for me. Great video guys! Thoroughly enjoyed it!
The biggest issue for me is around the greens and putting. I game Srixon ZStar XV (113Mph SS). Tried Project a, Chrome Soft and more recently AD333 Tour and none of them hold the spin as well with chip shots. Also the ball seems to come quicker off the face with the putter. I found the same results as Matt with longer clubs. I could not tell the difference between balls as all felt nice. I think you should do a video with this same range of balls but 15 yards and in
Really good episode and great comparison. Seems I'm in the minority of the Direct to Consumer balls here, as I have been playing the ElIXR for about two months now and love it. Your results showed what I see when I compared it to the Prov1 I was also playing. Just a touch behind the ProV in a lot of categories, but for the price difference, is certainly more than suitable.
This review is the exact reason I switched from Pro V1 to the Snell. Not to mention the huge cost savings. Dave Snell comes from that heritage of designing got Titlest and TaylorMade so he definitely knows what he is doing
I bought some Vice/Oncore about a year ago because of this video. After doing my own “testing” on the course, I’ve been playing Vice Pro for probably 6-7 months & love it. I’m not sure about the other companies but I know with Vice, the price listed is only if you buy 1 dozen, if you buy more than 1 dozen at a time, the price goes down even more. Especially around holidays/birthday, I’ll ask for gift cards & buy maybe 5 dozen at a time for around $25 dozen instead of $35 for a dozen (US).
Really cool comparison. Interesting how in this test the Snell is considerably longer, but in other tests such as from Crossfield and a few others didn't show nearly the same gap in distance. Matt sure does hit it pretty hard though so maybe that's where it comes from. I've played the Vice Pro and did notice that it seems a little shorter than a normal ProV by a couple yards, which is just something you have to get used to. It does spin really nicely like a ProV, so I can live with the distance for half the price. It just goes to show you how delivery of the club and the golfer's swing is really the most defining factor of how these balls perform.
great video, even though I was a few years behind haha! ordered the vice variety pack and took them to my local 80-100 yd 9 hole track for comparison: the Pro immediately jumped out! I was expecting the ProPlus (4 piece construction) to win, but the feel, launch and spin of the Pro was unmatched! so fun to really test equipment, TXG always makes me want to explore all the options and understand what I’m seeing! thanks guys!
I haven’t even got to the testing in the video yet lol. But I play the Vice pro soft absolutely love that ball and for the price if you get 5 dozen at once it’s hard to beat for me personally. I’ve been playing strictly Vice for the last 3ish years at least as long as the prices don’t skyrocket I’ll continue to stick w them. Good luck w your game my man!
Quick clarifications: We mentioned in the video that the 'off-brand' balls were about half the price of Prov1's. That's not correct, they're about 2/3 of the price. Also, the Oncor and Snell balls tested in this video are 3-piece balls, not 4-piece as we said.
you also mentioned these DTC balls (*D*irect *T*o *C*onsumer, you're welcome 😉) balls are 4-piece, also not true, the Elixr and MTB Black are 3-piece....good review guys, I made the switch to the Elixr from the ProV1 about six months ago and haven't looked back, excellent all round ball
@silvestre we didn't film a why in the bag for Dustin this week. Mostly because we had a few other videos we wanted to shoot instead and time didn't allow for more, and also because we're pretty sure he's going to win at least one more time this season anyway! 😉
New to the channel, loved this. Have you ever done ProV1 comped to the midlevels like the Velocity, Warbird, TM Burner etc? Would like to see what you actually get for twice the price
Great video lads. Prov1 for me for many years now and still love them. Purchased a dozen of the new chrome soft and one of them split in 2 which really surprised me. (no I didn’t thin it lol). That being said would have no problem trying any of the balls in the test.
Really appreciate the great videos you guys do. Thanks so much. For me, putting is the acid test. I can tell more difference putting. I prefer the pro V1 versus AVX or TP5 which are all great balls.
Great test. I love seeing these balls compete at a high level. I do think that a ball with an audible "click" will feel like it's light and will reduce confidence. I love feeling like a ball is slightly heavy off the face. Feels like I'm playing a more controlled ball.
Playing the Snell MTB-Black right now. Won an online contest back in March and got a dozen MTB-X, but have yet to put them in play. The 'X' is the Goldilocks ball for Snell. People complained about spin rates on the MTB Red as being too high off the driver, and the Black was too low. The X is supposed to split the difference, as well as offer better spin on irons and wedges than the Red. Of note is the ability of the Black to hold a line with less side spin. I'm usually good for a lost ball per 9. Went 14 holes into my most recent round before finally losing a ball. Even then, it was a horribly struck ball off the toe of a hybrid that would have sent any ball into the woods. I'm a 13 handicap, but recently drove a 272 yard par 4 green with these balls. and in the same round had a 41 for the back nine. I found myself being surprised by the quality of the shots that I got from the ball with what I consider less than optimum strikes.
Good review, just to say Vice do a selection pack to try all there balls, 2 balls of each. I got one then decided on the vice tour for the feel and price range, saves wasting money on a few boxes of balls you don't like.
Love your work guys. Please continue. Would love to see you conduct the same test for entry level 2 piece ball for your mid to high working class handicappers. Thanks. Mich
Another excellent video. Hands down you guys are producing the best videos in golf. I've been testing the Snell MTB Black and Red recently. The Red spins noticeably more. I'd love to see a comparison video with these two balls. When you consider the durability and the cost, this is the ball I'll be playing the rest of the season. Probably playing the Red in dry, summer conditions and the Black when it's wetter. I'd also love to see a video on how Matt generates that kind of swing speed. Has he slowed it a little bit recently?
Would love to see an updated version of this video with the pro v1 vs the newer versions of these balls and maybe the tour soft. Pro v1, snell prime 3.0 and 4.0, vice pro, and maybe Wilson triad, a Bridgestone etc
Interested in getting your opinion on balls for high handicap players, i.e., premium/pro balls versus balls like Taylor Made Project (a), Srixon Q-Star Tour, Bridgestone B330 RX/Tour B RX.
If you are a high handicap use a cheap distance ball. An expensive ball typically spins more than a distance ball. That spin will make your shots slice or hook farther offline. If your problem is thinned or fatted shots, it won't matter. Might as well thin a cheap ball into that pond. ;)
Way late to this but I'm not sure if calculated items such as carry or peak height (I don't think you mentioned peak) should come up with optical launch monitors. I'm trying to study the math that could go into approximating golf ball flights and I came across a paper from 2011 that measured the drag of various golf balls at the time. Different golf balls had different measured drag coefficients for different air conditions. From what I can gather, these differences are attributed to slight differences in the dimples (the patterns, count, shape, depth, etc). In turn, when flighted on the course, these may fly differently in small ways, such as trying to calculate the drag applied on the ball. I don't think that the math is there to understand how a dimple pattern will affect a ball during flight. Not that there aren't some understandings, as Crossfield put out a nice video with Titleist on dimple patterns. I just don't think you can flash a pattern and say that there will be a X yard difference or Y drag difference accurately with hard numbers and math to back it up (not until you start testing the ball, anyway). I could be wrong on that though. So, I doubt that anything like a SkyTrak or GC2/Quad could predict the small differences in drag between balls. Not that this says that anything will be massively different, if different at all, from that the QC Quad says. But it's a variable that *may* cause discrepancies. And, just to do a little cya after throwing something out there, launch conditions are measured and should be accurate. I'm just wondering about the accuracy of approximated values (carry, total, and peak). The study: www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S187770581100991X
If I am not mistaken, Titleist has reversed the characteristic of the ProV1 and ProV1X - so the ProV1X(red) is similar to the Snell MTB Red. The ProV1(black) matches the Snell MTB Black.
Been using the Vice Pro for a while now. I can't see much of a difference between it and the ProV1 in terms of distance, spin and feel but the covers get cut up really easy.
I have been playing the Snell MTB for two years, just started using the new MTB Black when they came out and its a great ball, the red is nice as well but spins quite a bit more of the irons than the Black if you need more spin that's a great choice. I am not surprised to see how closely these balls perform. I just don't know why anyone would spend the extra money on Pro V any more, although I know some guys that just wont let go of theirs.
great yest guys as usual, just one question out of the cheaper end balls , which one is the most durable please , srixon z star is so durable, would it be worth me saving £20 if they mark and cut up quicker , cheers jules UK
Any opinion on the AVX? I PICKED it to play when I started back up after a 30+ year absence from the game. Not a long hitter at 60 years old, but find that keeping the ball on the fairway after a 220 carry drive and maybe 20 yards of roll is a big key to making pars...
Really enjoyed the Ball comparison Guys, thanks once again. Personally I would not buy Titleist Balls on principle as I think they are a complete rip-off. As a Senior Hacker I always find that Premium Balls spin way too much (with my driver) and usually make a dash for the nearest Rough never to be seen again! In a Ball fitting 2 years ago I was advised to change over to a Soft compression two piece Ball and have found that these do indeed work MUCH BETTER for me and my driver (some times they even stay on the Fairway, honest)! So I would be interested to hear from your viewers of a similar age whether they have had similar findings These days I either play the Wilson DX2 or Vice Pro Soft, both perform equally well and both are at a sensible Price point that doesn't make you wince or risk life and limb trying to rescue your pristine PRO V1 from the undergrowth.
Great test and definitely in line with others I've seen. The one thing I rarely see though in videos of this nature is translation from golf speak into real world speak. What I mean is, what does that few hundred rpm difference actually mean on the course for us average SS golfers? At 14:54 for example you mentioned that the Snell ball "didn't have the spin to stop it on the green" when in fact you were talking about 300 rpm. On the course I'd guess that the difference between where those two balls would end up might be a foot or two even with the same angle of descent and probably equal given the Snell's slightly higher descent angle. If we're relying on the digital data though, your own data shows the ProV1 with a 17 yard rollout and the Snell with a 14 yard rollout given the parameters indicated in the test. The other thing to consider is that the Snell is half a club longer off the tee which also gives you a slight advantage in both spin and descent angle. All in all some great data but, like many others I would assume, I'd love to see a similar test for us 90-100 mph SS guys and see what happens.
The rollout data isn't something we'd consider to be universally applicable data, the GC Quad software tends to have very firm ground particularly on the green conditions. Carry numbers, descent angle and spin are better to analyze especially since courses all over the world have different ground conditions.
The moment I've been waited for!!! Pausing the school work for the next 20 minutes. EDIT: Good video. I was surprised at how well the Snell balls performed, I may have to grab some after I run out of my Superhot/Supersofts. Also, nice mention of the Kirkland Signatures. Haven't been lucky enough to find them around me but I check almost every week for them.
Can you also do a video comparing slightly blemished golf ball to a brand new ball as mention in the video 18:50/20:36? How does it affect the performance and numbers?
I use the Bridgestone brx , low spin and long distance type of balls . I like them also because they often go 40 percent off and I like the shape of the dimples .
No surprise to the average player that has played the MTB by Snell ball. Less expensive and plays as well as the Titleist for the average player. We are always lead to believe that a higher price is better. The average player isn’t that consistent at striking the ball to get the benefit of a ProV1.
I've played Snells for two years now, starting with the original MTB. I tried the MTB Black and MTB Red, and came to the following conclusion: if you already deliver a lot of spin, the Reds might spin TOO MUCH for you. I play the Wilson V6s and hit a neutral flight to a slight fade, and I was ripping 6 irons back 20 feet with the Reds. The Reds also didn't fly as far with my driver, probably because I need to upgrade the driver and it was also delivering too much spin. The Blacks are perfect for me - long and straight off the tee, and with every iron in my bag (even up to 3 hybrid) they stop dead on the greens - almost always within a few feet of their pitch mark. That allows me take dead aim at a spot on the green and know that it won't shoot forward or rip backward. Hope this helps some people still searching out there.
And to follow-up on that thought, my cousin plays a draw with his Mizuno irons and he achieves the same stopping power with the Reds as I do with the Blacks. The simple rule of thumb might be: draw = Reds, neutral/fade = Blacks.
"One of these balls often wins and you won't tell us" ... Haven't felt this let down since they cancelled the Flintstones. :-) My balls, Snell yes it gets a laugh when announce what your playing but extremely happy with they work for me, never turn down a Pro V either biggest thing me is I like staying with the same ball over a period of time. Probably placebo effect but I just feel these balls are more forgiving. Can't wait for the next TXG video greatest thing since the Flintstones:-) Thumbs up.
Great job Team TXG. This test shows that for Matt level swing speeds, in general, the differences are very minimal. Snell's 6i performance stood out a touch more, but overall, the separation across the brands is trivial. Next stop....premium vs. premium. Any chance of getting Sam to do a high/mid handicapper test?
Strike/swing delivery consistency would be a concern with using a high handicap player for this type of test. Adding too many variables to the test to give you guys proper objective data. Hopefully we can do one with either a very consistent slower speed player, or I can dial it back a bit for that video.
I really like the Bridgestone Tour B series of balls. The RX line is perfect for the winter and early spring when the swing speeds are slower. Also, really like buying used from LostGolfBalls.com , sure I'd like to always buy new, but these are only hit a few times and are still in really great condition.
You were asking if the lower price balls will take market share from the prov1 players or the nxt players. I can say I have just switched from prov1 to vice pro plus and I am absolutely thrilled with the performance of the vice ball. The durability is great compared to prov1, and the vice seem to even spin more for me on the greens. I've played four rounds so far this year with these balls and two of those round are my record lows if that says anything.
Ball testing starts at 7:48
lol....thx.
ProV1~Vice Pro (3 layer)
ProV1x~Vice Pro+ (4 layer)
Correct?
@@BaBaBooeyWRLD correct
The great thing about a cheaper ball is you are less attached to it when it goes into the woods
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:D lol. Amen to THAT, Brother.
not if your on a score then they're all your babies
Or the water, or someones backyard, or....
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I swear this channel has the best music scores ever. This is the ONLY golf page that I DO NOT skip through the intro to avoid crappy music. Love the background music, so majestic!
Made the switch to Snell for the 2019 season and haven't looked back. Absolutely the best ball (pound for pound) on the market. I trust Dean over any ball manufacturer in the game today.
Bucks did they test mtb black or mtb x
@@richeatongolf They were testing the MTB black. The MTB x comes in a blue case.
Bucks nice thanks. Interesting that ball has so much distance. Will have to try
Me too Bucks! Long. Tons of short game spin.
I play the MTBX.
I'm glad y'all made this video. I'm playing professionally and I've been using the snell MTB for over a year now. Having played the prov1x my entire life I can't tell the difference besides the price.
Bought 3 TP5 balls to try out on the course. Absolutely loved the feel until I had lost 2 on the front 9. Yep, sticking with cheap balls till that ball loss rate decreases.......
Robert Bowman that’s the main thing in all this. When I first started 5-6 years ago I didn’t care about the kind of ball I was using. I started shooting 100-105 from the tips.
Two years ago I started shooting in the mid to low 80s way more consistently and went into last year saying that if I didn’t break 80 I would quit.
Last year I broke 80 for the first time.
This year I’ve started researching balls finally. Didn’t know Bridgestone made balls for Nike all those years.
I started using used Prov1s last year and started hitting the ball further. Was putting drives in spots I never did before. Did I get a little better at golf to break 80? Did the ball help a lot? Probably a bit of both.
I just started back golfing last year. I found a Snell ball in the woods and tried it. I was shock at the feel and the distance of it. I now buy used Snell balls for when I’m playing the woods or water and new when I’m relatively safe play. Even though the balls are both inexpensive, I still cringe when I lose one, lol.
Snell is by far the best ball for the money! I play with it all the time and love it!
Been playing with the Vice Pro balls for 2 years now...you can’t beat the value and the performance is just as good as the others including the Pro V1s and TP5s. Thanks for the review. Can’t wait to show this to the ball snobs I play with!
Matt the swing is looking great. I love how you've created width in your swing without letting the club get away from you at the top.
Thanks Scott!
I used to play ProV1, but tried 5 dozen Vice Pro+ last season and a couple dozen Snell Black and Red over the past few weeks. I've got a 100mph swing speed, and my index is 11 (down from 12 last year when I was using ProV1)... Overall, the balls are very similar - it's hard to say which are best. Although I think I'm leaning towards the Snell Red since they seem to spin more into the greens and really hold well. I'll probably just buy 6 dozen at the discounted price of US$27/doz, which is much better than the US$48/doz ProV1 price. Titliest is just not worth the extra money, and since nobody else at my club uses Snell (for now), I don't have to waste time marking my balls
I just ordered the Snell and the variety pack of the Vice. I really liked the feel of the Vice, I can’t wait to try the Snell. Thanks guys.
The Vice Pro feels great to me. Works great too. But I played the MTB-X yesterday and it seemed less spinny but was GREAT off the tee.
I played the original Snell and now the red line and they are amazing. Have a few people hooked on them and I hope everyone gives them a chance! Great testing guys. Also the Vice gloves are amazing and the price is right on too!
I switched to the Snell MTB red about 2 months ago. Haven’t looked back since.
A great ball for a fantastic price.
Can you buy these America?
No bs from you two guys. I like your back and fourth.
The Snell MTB black and red are great. I went with their trial pack and liked red for the extra short iron, greenside extra spin. Definitely a great ball especially for the price.
I'm guessing you guys used the Snell black, or the original MTB (original is basically what the black is now but with a touch lower compression).
As always great content you guys are putting out.
Your videos are very informative and provide valuable insight.
Please keep the videos coming. Always looking forward to the next one.
i switched from the Crome Soft to the MTB, and I am very happy.
Currently undergoing swing changes to address some issues but I’ve always spun and launched the ball WAY to high, especially with my irons. It took me a long time to try and go away from the prov type balls to a “cheaper” ball but I’m liking the performance of the vice tour and actually have been able to play a bit better in windy conditions with it. Just highlights what you are saying about trying things for yourself. Great video, as always.
I've switched from ProV1* to VicePro+. No difference at all except half the price😉. I also found that the Vice is more predectible on back spin on the green than ProV. Cost is approx 35$cdn per dzn delivered to your home when order 5 dzn. You can also order a selected pack that have 5 different sleeves so you can try all of their balls.
Try Vice Pro it feels more similar to the pro v1 to me
Been playing Snell for last year and during competition. The ball just works.
Thanks guys! I switched from ProV1x to Snell simply due to the cost. Now I like them better and would not go back. cheers
On course I payed the ProV1 and Vice Pro this year, 120 yards and in my scores were better with the ProV1 as it was easier to control consistent trajectory and spin for me. I played the ProV1 in tourneys and money rounds and the Vice Pro for everything else, helps take the sting out of premium ball cost.
Did a ball fitting with Cam last summer and ended up with the Snells. Can’t say enough about how good they are and at the price point really can’t be beat!
I commented about the cut blue last year hoping you guys would test it. I was actually testing a bunch of budget balls at the time. Within the year I decided that the OnCore Elixr was the best ball out there for me. Funny to go back and watch this video and see that it hung in with the ProV1 so well. Keep up the great work boys. Still loving the videos
I bought a test pack of the Snell MTBs and finally tried them out today on my home course (Deerwood). Y’all will know the 4th hole as the 18th hole of the US Open in the movie Tin Cup lol. Both of these balls were fantastic compared to my gamer (Pro V1X)....tons of zip with wedges and chip shots, soft feel off the putter, and cut through the wind like butter off the tee!!
Oh, Roy!
Great video! Maybe going forward the Srixon's Q Star Tour is a budget ball that works well for slower swing speeds. A video going forward on the improved performance with mid handicap swing speeds.
Balls are so close in performance. I may not should say this but I am great at finding the previous generation of tour Srixon or tour Bridgestone balls online, brand new for even less then these non-mainstream balls. I figure the B330s or Zstar XV that the pros were playing just a year or 2 ago is just fine for me. Great video guys! Thoroughly enjoyed it!
Interesting results that have changed my view of each balls capability!! Great input as usual!!! Learning at it’s best.
The biggest issue for me is around the greens and putting. I game Srixon ZStar XV (113Mph SS).
Tried Project a, Chrome Soft and more recently AD333 Tour and none of them hold the spin as well with chip shots. Also the ball seems to come quicker off the face with the putter.
I found the same results as Matt with longer clubs. I could not tell the difference between balls as all felt nice.
I think you should do a video with this same range of balls but 15 yards and in
Another good ball, one I finally tried and wish I had sooner, the Wilson Staff Duo Urethane. Great ball at a reasonable price.
Really good episode and great comparison. Seems I'm in the minority of the Direct to Consumer balls here, as I have been playing the ElIXR for about two months now and love it. Your results showed what I see when I compared it to the Prov1 I was also playing. Just a touch behind the ProV in a lot of categories, but for the price difference, is certainly more than suitable.
This review is the exact reason I switched from Pro V1 to the Snell. Not to mention the huge cost savings. Dave Snell comes from that heritage of designing got Titlest and TaylorMade so he definitely knows what he is doing
I bought some Vice/Oncore about a year ago because of this video. After doing my own “testing” on the course, I’ve been playing Vice Pro for probably 6-7 months & love it. I’m not sure about the other companies but I know with Vice, the price listed is only if you buy 1 dozen, if you buy more than 1 dozen at a time, the price goes down even more. Especially around holidays/birthday, I’ll ask for gift cards & buy maybe 5 dozen at a time for around $25 dozen instead of $35 for a dozen (US).
Great work guys, always nice feel in your videos and a bunch of learning to be done!
I'd like to see something even more budget. Some rocks from your local generic sports shop. Dunlop or something cheap and nasty like that.
Funny considering Dunlop owns Srixon, XXIO, Cleveland
yellow range balls
@@MarkTodd33 I’ve got to be honest, I hit some bombs with range balls - don’t care about losing them so I swing much violently
Really cool comparison. Interesting how in this test the Snell is considerably longer, but in other tests such as from Crossfield and a few others didn't show nearly the same gap in distance. Matt sure does hit it pretty hard though so maybe that's where it comes from. I've played the Vice Pro and did notice that it seems a little shorter than a normal ProV by a couple yards, which is just something you have to get used to. It does spin really nicely like a ProV, so I can live with the distance for half the price. It just goes to show you how delivery of the club and the golfer's swing is really the most defining factor of how these balls perform.
great video, even though I was a few years behind haha! ordered the vice variety pack and took them to my local 80-100 yd 9 hole track for comparison: the Pro immediately jumped out! I was expecting the ProPlus (4 piece construction) to win, but the feel, launch and spin of the Pro was unmatched! so fun to really test equipment, TXG always makes me want to explore all the options and understand what I’m seeing! thanks guys!
I haven’t even got to the testing in the video yet lol. But I play the Vice pro soft absolutely love that ball and for the price if you get 5 dozen at once it’s hard to beat for me personally. I’ve been playing strictly Vice for the last 3ish years at least as long as the prices don’t skyrocket I’ll continue to stick w them. Good luck w your game my man!
Very interesting video guys. Can't wait to see what's next. Keep up the great work.
Quick clarifications:
We mentioned in the video that the 'off-brand' balls were about half the price of Prov1's. That's not correct, they're about 2/3 of the price.
Also, the Oncor and Snell balls tested in this video are 3-piece balls, not 4-piece as we said.
you also mentioned these DTC balls (*D*irect *T*o *C*onsumer, you're welcome 😉) balls are 4-piece, also not true, the Elixr and MTB Black are 3-piece....good review guys, I made the switch to the Elixr from the ProV1 about six months ago and haven't looked back, excellent all round ball
Are we going to get a Why in the Bag for Dustin Johnson. He recently went back to 2017 putter, would like to hear your thoughts on that.
@silvestre we didn't film a why in the bag for Dustin this week. Mostly because we had a few other videos we wanted to shoot instead and time didn't allow for more, and also because we're pretty sure he's going to win at least one more time this season anyway! 😉
When you buy 5 doz Vice the price is $25 a dozen. I do this once ever year or so.
TXG Tour Experience Golf you may have already corrected this, but the Snell MTB Black is not a 4-piece, and neither is the ProV1.
New to the channel, loved this. Have you ever done ProV1 comped to the midlevels like the Velocity, Warbird, TM Burner etc? Would like to see what you actually get for twice the price
Great video lads. Prov1 for me for many years now and still love them. Purchased a dozen of the new chrome soft and one of them split in 2 which really surprised me. (no I didn’t thin it lol). That being said would have no problem trying any of the balls in the test.
I use the srixon z star XV great ball and great just noticed $23.99 a dozen at sportchek. That is srixon comparable ball to the prov1x
Awesome video! Great comparison information you guys keep it up! I’ve never been fit but I hope my first experience is as good as you guys
You guys need to do a review of the AVX. I’m sure a lot of people would love to see that compared to other balls including the ProV1 and ProV1x.
Great ball testing video Ian and Matt.
I would love to see some other ball testing videos! Particularly on putting as I find that’s really where feel is so different from brand to brand
Really appreciate the great videos you guys do. Thanks so much. For me, putting is the acid test. I can tell more difference putting. I prefer the pro V1 versus AVX or TP5 which are all great balls.
I would love to see the Cut Blue as apart of one of these tests.
I love love love the depth of information in your videos
Great test. I love seeing these balls compete at a high level. I do think that a ball with an audible "click" will feel like it's light and will reduce confidence. I love feeling like a ball is slightly heavy off the face. Feels like I'm playing a more controlled ball.
Playing the Snell MTB-Black right now. Won an online contest back in March and got a dozen MTB-X, but have yet to put them in play. The 'X' is the Goldilocks ball for Snell. People complained about spin rates on the MTB Red as being too high off the driver, and the Black was too low. The X is supposed to split the difference, as well as offer better spin on irons and wedges than the Red. Of note is the ability of the Black to hold a line with less side spin. I'm usually good for a lost ball per 9. Went 14 holes into my most recent round before finally losing a ball. Even then, it was a horribly struck ball off the toe of a hybrid that would have sent any ball into the woods. I'm a 13 handicap, but recently drove a 272 yard par 4 green with these balls. and in the same round had a 41 for the back nine. I found myself being surprised by the quality of the shots that I got from the ball with what I consider less than optimum strikes.
Great comparison, guys. Good work.
Started playing the vice pro+ recently and I love them. At 25 Usd/dozen I cant justify buying pro v1 for twice the price for the same performance.
Isaiah Bergemann completely agree, I'm also playing the vice pro plus instead of a prov1
As always quality production... food for thought
Good review, just to say Vice do a selection pack to try all there balls, 2 balls of each. I got one then decided on the vice tour for the feel and price range, saves wasting money on a few boxes of balls you don't like.
Class act guys...So informative. Keep'em coming.
Love your work guys. Please continue. Would love to see you conduct the same test for entry level 2 piece ball for your mid to high working class handicappers. Thanks. Mich
Another excellent video. Hands down you guys are producing the best videos in golf. I've been testing the Snell MTB Black and Red recently. The Red spins noticeably more. I'd love to see a comparison video with these two balls. When you consider the durability and the cost, this is the ball I'll be playing the rest of the season. Probably playing the Red in dry, summer conditions and the Black when it's wetter. I'd also love to see a video on how Matt generates that kind of swing speed. Has he slowed it a little bit recently?
Yup working on the swing so I'm down about 4-5mph clubhead speed. It is getting there though, should be back to normal in coming weeks.
Would love to see the 2022 version of this one. Awesome content.
Would love to see an updated version of this video with the pro v1 vs the newer versions of these balls and maybe the tour soft.
Pro v1, snell prime 3.0 and 4.0, vice pro, and maybe Wilson triad, a Bridgestone etc
Very informative! Waiting to see a comparison between major ball brands...
Interested in getting your opinion on balls for high handicap players, i.e., premium/pro balls versus balls like Taylor Made Project (a), Srixon Q-Star Tour, Bridgestone B330 RX/Tour B RX.
The Project (a) is a great ball for the price, i have always been a fan of it.
If you are a high handicap use a cheap distance ball. An expensive ball typically spins more than a distance ball. That spin will make your shots slice or hook farther offline. If your problem is thinned or fatted shots, it won't matter. Might as well thin a cheap ball into that pond. ;)
Thanks guys will give the Snell a go for sure
Way late to this but I'm not sure if calculated items such as carry or peak height (I don't think you mentioned peak) should come up with optical launch monitors. I'm trying to study the math that could go into approximating golf ball flights and I came across a paper from 2011 that measured the drag of various golf balls at the time. Different golf balls had different measured drag coefficients for different air conditions. From what I can gather, these differences are attributed to slight differences in the dimples (the patterns, count, shape, depth, etc). In turn, when flighted on the course, these may fly differently in small ways, such as trying to calculate the drag applied on the ball.
I don't think that the math is there to understand how a dimple pattern will affect a ball during flight. Not that there aren't some understandings, as Crossfield put out a nice video with Titleist on dimple patterns. I just don't think you can flash a pattern and say that there will be a X yard difference or Y drag difference accurately with hard numbers and math to back it up (not until you start testing the ball, anyway). I could be wrong on that though. So, I doubt that anything like a SkyTrak or GC2/Quad could predict the small differences in drag between balls. Not that this says that anything will be massively different, if different at all, from that the QC Quad says. But it's a variable that *may* cause discrepancies.
And, just to do a little cya after throwing something out there, launch conditions are measured and should be accurate. I'm just wondering about the accuracy of approximated values (carry, total, and peak).
The study: www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S187770581100991X
I've been using Vice Pro Plus balls for 2 years now and I'll never look back. They perform better than any major brand ball I've used, since Nike.
Another great vid as always guys ! I like your results from the MTB's. A great ball for the price.
If I am not mistaken, Titleist has reversed the characteristic of the ProV1 and ProV1X - so the ProV1X(red) is similar to the Snell MTB Red. The ProV1(black) matches the Snell MTB Black.
We actually just did a test on that Jak, you might be curious to see the results we found: ruclips.net/video/-ZyJ6WopYnM/видео.html
Another very informative discussion on a part of the bag that people don’t consider to be as important as say a $500 Driver. Well done guys👍
Haven't finished the video but the vice pro plus is what I've been using and I find it better than pro v1 for me.. not even accounting for the cost
Oncore golf is from my home town, Buffalo NY!!!! So proud to have a great golf ball company in my home town!
amazing stuff guys. purely the best I have ever seen for golf videos. Would LOVE to see the best ball for Blades players. Please! :)
great Video guys, I would like to see the Bridgestone B330 and 330S against the Prov 1 and 1X
Been using the Vice Pro for a while now. I can't see much of a difference between it and the ProV1 in terms of distance, spin and feel but the covers get cut up really easy.
I love the video guys. I use a Zstar and it is amazing. Tried ProV1x, Chromesoft and TP5x... Srixon is great value and great performance.!
I love your videos Ian! I’m hoping to come get a fitting from you before next season!
I have been playing the Snell MTB for two years, just started using the new MTB Black when they came out and its a great ball, the red is nice as well but spins quite a bit more of the irons than the Black if you need more spin that's a great choice. I am not surprised to see how closely these balls perform. I just don't know why anyone would spend the extra money on Pro V any more, although I know some guys that just wont let go of theirs.
great yest guys as usual, just one question out of the cheaper end balls , which one is the most durable please , srixon z star is so durable, would it be worth me saving £20 if they mark and cut up quicker , cheers jules UK
Any opinion on the AVX? I PICKED it to play when I started back up after a 30+ year absence from the game. Not a long hitter at 60 years old, but find that keeping the ball on the fairway after a 220 carry drive and maybe 20 yards of roll is a big key to making pars...
Really enjoyed the Ball comparison Guys, thanks once again. Personally I would not buy Titleist Balls on principle as I think they are a complete rip-off.
As a Senior Hacker I always find that Premium Balls spin way too much (with my driver) and usually make a dash for the nearest Rough never to be seen again! In a Ball fitting 2 years ago I was advised to change over to a Soft compression two piece Ball and have found that these do indeed work MUCH BETTER for me and my driver (some times they even stay on the Fairway, honest)! So I would be interested to hear from your viewers of a similar age whether they have had similar findings
These days I either play the Wilson DX2 or Vice Pro Soft, both perform equally well and both are at a sensible Price point that doesn't make you wince or risk life and limb trying to rescue your pristine PRO V1 from the undergrowth.
I'm 63 and a 13 handicap and I definitely agree. I use soft balls all the time. The only time I use Titliest is when I find one!
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Excellent job fellas! can you do a distance ball like the snell drive, volvik velocity? and others?
Just played the snell MTB red today. Great stopping power in my short game
Would love to see the tour XS when you do tp5 and the prov1. Keep.it up!
Great test and definitely in line with others I've seen. The one thing I rarely see though in videos of this nature is translation from golf speak into real world speak. What I mean is, what does that few hundred rpm difference actually mean on the course for us average SS golfers? At 14:54 for example you mentioned that the Snell ball "didn't have the spin to stop it on the green" when in fact you were talking about 300 rpm. On the course I'd guess that the difference between where those two balls would end up might be a foot or two even with the same angle of descent and probably equal given the Snell's slightly higher descent angle. If we're relying on the digital data though, your own data shows the ProV1 with a 17 yard rollout and the Snell with a 14 yard rollout given the parameters indicated in the test. The other thing to consider is that the Snell is half a club longer off the tee which also gives you a slight advantage in both spin and descent angle.
All in all some great data but, like many others I would assume, I'd love to see a similar test for us 90-100 mph SS guys and see what happens.
The rollout data isn't something we'd consider to be universally applicable data, the GC Quad software tends to have very firm ground particularly on the green conditions. Carry numbers, descent angle and spin are better to analyze especially since courses all over the world have different ground conditions.
Great video as always guys!
Quick question....which srixon ball are you referring to as the most durable?
Wait till you test the new Snell Blacks if you liked the MTB. Another great vid. guys!
Like to see all the Titlelist ball brands perform on the test.? Which is good for driving irons pitching and so on.?
The moment I've been waited for!!! Pausing the school work for the next 20 minutes.
EDIT: Good video. I was surprised at how well the Snell balls performed, I may have to grab some after I run out of my Superhot/Supersofts. Also, nice mention of the Kirkland Signatures. Haven't been lucky enough to find them around me but I check almost every week for them.
Can you also do a video comparing slightly blemished golf ball to a brand new ball as mention in the video 18:50/20:36? How does it affect the performance and numbers?
I use the Bridgestone brx , low spin and long distance type of balls . I like them also because they often go 40 percent off and I like the shape of the dimples .
Another great vid, gents! Any chance of getting the full set of data from each shot?
We just kept the averages
No surprise to the average player that has played the MTB by Snell ball. Less expensive and plays as well as the Titleist for the average player. We are always lead to believe that a higher price is better. The average player isn’t that consistent at striking the ball to get the benefit of a ProV1.
I've played Snells for two years now, starting with the original MTB. I tried the MTB Black and MTB Red, and came to the following conclusion: if you already deliver a lot of spin, the Reds might spin TOO MUCH for you. I play the Wilson V6s and hit a neutral flight to a slight fade, and I was ripping 6 irons back 20 feet with the Reds. The Reds also didn't fly as far with my driver, probably because I need to upgrade the driver and it was also delivering too much spin. The Blacks are perfect for me - long and straight off the tee, and with every iron in my bag (even up to 3 hybrid) they stop dead on the greens - almost always within a few feet of their pitch mark. That allows me take dead aim at a spot on the green and know that it won't shoot forward or rip backward. Hope this helps some people still searching out there.
And to follow-up on that thought, my cousin plays a draw with his Mizuno irons and he achieves the same stopping power with the Reds as I do with the Blacks. The simple rule of thumb might be: draw = Reds, neutral/fade = Blacks.
I am interested in how ball’s compression affect the flight and driving distance.
"One of these balls often wins and you won't tell us" ... Haven't felt this let down since they cancelled the Flintstones. :-) My balls, Snell yes it gets a laugh when announce what your playing but extremely happy with they work for me, never turn down a Pro V either biggest thing me is I like staying with the same ball over a period of time. Probably placebo effect but I just feel these balls are more forgiving. Can't wait for the next TXG video greatest thing since the Flintstones:-) Thumbs up.
Great job Team TXG. This test shows that for Matt level swing speeds, in general, the differences are very minimal. Snell's 6i performance stood out a touch more, but overall, the separation across the brands is trivial. Next stop....premium vs. premium. Any chance of getting Sam to do a high/mid handicapper test?
Strike/swing delivery consistency would be a concern with using a high handicap player for this type of test. Adding too many variables to the test to give you guys proper objective data. Hopefully we can do one with either a very consistent slower speed player, or I can dial it back a bit for that video.
Please test Snell Red/Black. Is there a difference between them or not?
I really like the Bridgestone Tour B series of balls. The RX line is perfect for the winter and early spring when the swing speeds are slower. Also, really like buying used from LostGolfBalls.com , sure I'd like to always buy new, but these are only hit a few times and are still in really great condition.
I recently switched to the Snell golf ball. I gained yardage with my longshots in control around the greens. Best ball for my money!
Im a Snell fan and user, defo improved my game, really consistent solid ball and great value.
You were asking if the lower price balls will take market share from the prov1 players or the nxt players. I can say I have just switched from prov1 to vice pro plus and I am absolutely thrilled with the performance of the vice ball. The durability is great compared to prov1, and the vice seem to even spin more for me on the greens. I've played four rounds so far this year with these balls and two of those round are my record lows if that says anything.