Monster High is getting a reboot again because it went so well the last time.
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
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Monster High released character designs and bios for its Nickelodeon reboot. It doesn't look better than the first reboot in 2016 but for some reason Mattel is rebooting it again only six years later. Weird.
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Deuce’s snakes used to be these cute little pet kinda things, but now they’re bad influences that tell him to do bad things? WAT?! The fact that Deuce’s snakes loved Cleo like Deuce did was one of my favorite part about the original. And now his snakes are like evil little demons trying to make him make bad choices. It just ruins it for me.
That time one of snakes gave Cleo a kiss on the forehead was the cutest.
@@celtichound9889 oh my god I love part
@@celtichound9889 aweee
True they literally kissed her forehead too and he was giving them drinks by straws :(
I know right
lagoona’s literally giving:
“just walked out of starbucks with my unicorn frappucino now i’m boutta make a musically showing off my smiggle haul 😍💅🏻✨”
Yeah…. Imagine her saying “Save the turtles” 👁👄👁
@@rick_astleyfan12 if they make her do that, im gonna cry 💀
Bruh she is the unicorn Frappuccino
RIGHT💀
“I’m not like other girls 🤩”
My main problem is that they got rid of most of the freaky bold fashion and are replacing it with modern boring outfits that just feel out of place… Like the characters weren’t wearing modern 2010 clothes when the line released, they were wearing their own styles and outfits that really fit the characters..
Also, I feel like each one was clearly based on a subculture, all which are still pretty relevant in teen fashion...
Og Frankie felt based on (brit) punk, with the plaid and the tie and the hair. Punk is still popular, esp on tiktok, and just iconic.
Og Draculora was lolita goth (actual og goth was actually pretty modern rather than victorian). Still very popular with tweens and teens. Many 12 yr olds have a basic lolita fashion oc, looking at gacha.
Og Clawdeen was chic and I think kinda Glam Rock? Not as popular currently, but still plenty material to get inspiration from. Especially with Maneskin (which is Danish for moonshine) currently being a popular rock band that takes inspiration from glam rock.
Og Cleo was just chic chic, plenty of Instagram models to take inspiration from.
Og Lagoona looked to me like a mix of surfer beach chick and skater, her style was pretty modern but still in a cool slightly edgy way and again, done way better on tiktok etc.
And Ghoulia was like this mix between emo, retro hipster and geek, honestly not as relevant styles as they were back in 2010 (though her outfit weirdly enough might be the most currently relevant out of all of them, I could see current alt girls wear exactly her fit minus the headband and with shorter boots) but I still feel like something interesting could've been done with Ghoulia had she not been erased. Maybe make her cottagecore bc her og outfit had cherry print lol, or focus more on the retro aspect.
Rainbow high and especially LOL OMG dolls and other modern doll lines are nuch better with doing bold modern fashion that's actually FASHIONABLE
@@thekitkatlizard8661 Frankie’s style was preppie
And that's what made monster high unique. The reboot looks like Halloween barbie
People who designed monster high before: "Oh! Let's add some different aesthetics to the characters that shouts out their personality! Also, it can help other kids discover their own sense of fashion!"
the reboot art directors: "Just throw in pastel colors and 'fashionable' outfits. Those are what kids are into these days."
Also not to mention some of them look unrecognizable until you realize it’s them.
It pains me that out of everyone, Toralei looks the closest to her original counterpart.
Yeah. Tbh-- I kinda don't like Toralei that much at all. But then again-- I hate most of these reboot characters
even better
Her back story isnt helping tho
@@yourmum1963 What’s her backstory?
And deuce
Clawdeen is the one that’s the most bastardized in my opinion. She was the coolest one to me as a kid and now she looks like the dorky awkward new kid.
Which should be reserved for frankie.
@@coffintears5821 It should be. I don't know why with this reboot they're giving Clawdeen Frankie's role when she was the one with all the confidence and sass as a monster.
She also looks like a nerd...which is ghoulia's character. They just hate that poor zombie, huh?
@@thisusernameisalreadytaken5132 oh God yeah. Ghoulia gets taken out of every single reboot it seems like.
Yes she's one of the most confident ghoul with a classy, edgy style and the reboot is not giving any of that
cleo literally looks like isabela from encanto and why is lagoona a vsco girl 😭
LMAOOOO
Taking away, arguably, the ONLY animated Australian character that made people remember our country existed was a MASSIVE mistake. Not only did they take away her Australian culture, but they’ve taken away the possibility for Lagoona to be Aboriginal as well, which was what many Aboriginal kids (including myself) were constantly hoping for... her redesign feels like more of a slap in the face than any of the other characters. Australia isn’t taken seriously anymore, we’re constantly mocked for an accent that’s hardly noticeable. It would’ve been really nice to have an Aussie actress play her, but I guess that was wishful thinking :(
THIs!!! one of the biggest fumbles in my opinion for this reboot, im so upset about it
Exactly, it's so upsetting :( same with Draculaura being Romanian representation. Ugh. I'm glad Abby isn't in this reboot (yet).
@@taylsbucko5190 mhm 😞 it would’ve been refreshing to see a blak character for once
@colorbar.s She is still half Romanian, she is just now also half Chinese.
@@one-onessadhalf3393I thought she was half Taiwanese
They just can’t let good things RIP because they’re taking advantage of our nostalgia
While perfectly willing to call us every name under the Sun if we express that we don’t like certain things about it because they want our money from the nostalgia and NOTHING else.
You can blame the Cryptkeeper for blowing up the original school, lol.
Ha! 🤖🐔
They can only take advantage of what you give them.
At least the characters were redesigned for this.
Still awkward to see a third reboot though.
They looked at "Descendants" and thought, "We can do that, too."
I thought not wanting to be seen a Descendants knockoff was the reason Mattel canceled the Ever After High series that paralleled Monster High. And the writing for their stories was far, far better than Descendants.
Ever After High came out before Descendants. Mattel made dolls for Disney Princesses but Disney was offended by the Ever After High line so they made Descendants as an answer to it and went to another company to make their princess dolls.
Does Mattel need to be reminded that they started the trend with Monster High in the first place? Even Descendants was following MH and EAH. Now Mattel is following the followers
eah being cancelled was brutal. however if they bring it back they probably will change the loved art style and a basic plot line because that’s what they do with reboots lol
Um, Ever After High came out way before Decedents. Disney made a knock off of Ever After High! Disney might be the biggest movie company and corporation in the world, but they make knock offs too.
ever after high AND monster high is both made by mattel they trying to copy the show that made a terrible knockoff of their own series?
So im beginning to see a pattern...
when people or whatever say theyre going to "reboot" something
That basically means
"I'm gonna take everything you loved and thought was cool and make it boring and cringe"
They're making them so watered down and way too clean cut looking when just about everyone loved them for their original spookiness. That's why I liked them as a kid, they could be both "creepy" yet still very fashionable and usually nice good people.
Gosh, WHY in the world are they shying away from the goth aesthetic so much? It's not like kids now don't like that.
FOR REAL. The whole creepy part of it was part of what made monster high stand out against other dolls like Barbie. I remember thinking they all looked super cool when I was younger.
Ironic- I've seen a lot of teenage girls getting back into goth stuff and yet Mattel is homogenizing Monster High (a franchise DEFINED by being an alt fashion alternative to little miss perfect Barbie) into the exact opposite
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho Wasted potential since e girls are the new goth
Goth is ironically becoming more popular!! TikTok’s fashion videos have been almost always dark clothes and loads of jewellery. Why did they pull off into bright colours? Kids don’t like that and I don’t think they ever have! No one likes being babied, and softer colours & characters are doing JUST THAT to the audience! I really think Monster High is ruined for me now. I can’t trust them anymore
@@moistwrmonastring1017 I have noticed that too. Is there a reason dark clothes are getting popular again?
Heath looking like he got fashion advice from the CEO of Hot Wheels lol
LOL
He looks like a Rice Krispy elf from hell
Definitely.
God I hate his new design he just looks so dumb
I THOUGHT HE LOOKED LIKE A CAR TOO
Clawdeen was already a werewolf which as I know it already means- half wolf/ half human… so now she’s 3/4 human?
Nah werewolves of Monster high work differently. It's more like their a wolf monster and when their cubs they look like full wolves and when they get older they have kind of a human appearance like human like legs and arms but still have more wolf features but their not half human. Same with werecats
Honestly I’m just happy Ever After High won’t be coming back at this point. The franchise was just right and wondrous like it was. So was Monster High. They were drop dead gorgeous and perfectly imperfect. They should have let them just Rest In Peace and move on from MH.
‘Die as a hero or live long enough to see yourself as a villan’ explains mh and eah
They really don’t care about fans in ANY fandom.
That isn't always true
@@animezilla4486 it isn't always true but it is true often enough.
@@cartoonking1789 good point especially in these modern times
Not only that but some creators would silence those that criticize their work... That just shows that not only can they handle criticism but also shows them how pathetic they are.
I really don't get that isn't their a whole saying of 'give the people what they want' why do companies never follow it
I agree with you! I hate when they “reboot” characters. Just make new ones. That way we won’t compare the two so heavily. We might make fun of the fashion but everything else is based on how good the writing is. I just can’t get into the new movie and stuff. I might watch the show if I have time. But you won’t catch me tripping over myself to see it 😂
Yeah fr they can be the same species as the old ones and don't make the plot boring💀
A third reboot is questionable enough without lazily repeating the same characters.
yup bc that went so well last reboot with iconic memorable characters such as Ari Hauntington and Raythe
Same exactly. I will watch it whenever i think of it but I'm not exciting or anything
Fr
This made me tear up... First Barbie, then mlp, then monster high...
What happened to mattel. It's like they purposefully WANTED to ruin the series a lot of hold dear to our hearts. This is soooo sad, I can't- 😭
You know mlp had many generations right? it was expected to have a new generation when 4 ends and they didn't reboot the character so Is different
@@Cherry-ob7hx Also, MLP is Hasbro, not Mattel...
@@Cherry-ob7hx pretty sure they meant the toys, i have a couple gen 4 toys and you can see their molds be drastically different, and really weird looking aside from the translucent Princess Luna doll because she actually looked pretty
@@Cherry-ob7hx The thing with this generation and previous generations is that gen5 is connected to gen4. No other generation was connected to the previous one except this one...Twillight also appeared in gen5 and she's uhh- well she isn't looking her best (probably because its hard to translate 2d to 3d and her colors are much more saturated).
@@istoleyourjams270 Yeah, she doesn't look really good, but the other og characters look cool
Monster High was what sparked my interest for alternate fashion. The entire vibe of monster High was "this is who we are take it or leave it" and in a world where everyone is trying to look like perfect orange clones of eachother this message is needed more than ever rather than g3 desperate to fit in.
I thought Lagoona looked like a babyfied Ariana Grande, but now I can’t unsee the Jojo Siwa resemblance.
Literally many franchise’s reboots are making the characters look more child-like that it looks a little unsettling.
Because apparently the execs in charge of these hare-brained rehashes are convinced that kids can’t relate to a character unless they look and/or act like them
which is dumb, honestly. Kids want to be Batman; they don’t want to be Robin unless he’s Nightwing. Kids want to be Optimus Prime; they don’t want to be Wheelie or Energon Ironhide. Kids wanna be He-Man or She-Ra, not Loo-Kee or Orko.
In my opinion I dislike this more then the 2016 reboot
@@sailorduck2585 Well, at least 2016 MH still felt somewhat like the original, just in a more juvenile format. This just feels like Mattel disregarding the original for the sake of woke brownie points
AGREED.
And they ruined Barbie and mlp too.
@@sailorduck2585 yeah. I personally loved the 2016 reboot too. The characters were adorable, the story was actually canon. This? EW.
I hate hate HATE how Clawdeen is now this awkward new kid nerd when she was one of the sassiest and confident of the bunch. I hope they didn’t change it because it played too much into the “diva black girl” stereotype. Ugh
I loved her confidence. She was an inspiration to many :(
@@remedy2174 yeah for me at least it was such an inspiration as a kid because of her dream to become a fashion designer
@@remedy2174 ikr she was always my fav
I wouldn’t be surprised. They’ve done everything else in their power to be as woke as possible.
I reckon they only made her the main character because she’s black coded, to please the masses
Edit: how did this get 15 likes with a typo in it ffs
@@kayiscrispy Hardly though. 😂 I mean they made her light skin, gave her a generic boring backstory with even more boring personality. Added bonus points that they changed her sexuality and made her steal Cleo’s BF 😒 If they wanted to be “cute and quirky” and have a black (light-skinned) girl as the main character. Just put her sister in there. NOW that would’ve been interesting. Instead they retconned every last character and made them look horrid
I wish they would just make an animated series that will appeal to tweens, teens, young adults and adults, in terms of character design and writing. Shows like Young Justice/Teen Titans, Avatar/Legend of Korra, Star Wars Rebels/Clone Wars, the Dragon Prince, She-Ra & PoP, Voltron, and Trollhunters all did this. The writing and the character designs were neither too childish or too mature to exclude anyone. It was that sweet spot that's totally possible, which is why it's so frustrating to see MH limit their own potential.
Claudine looks like a librarian from New York oh sorry Boo York in her early 20's
Yes, I think that in this reboot they were drawing inspiration for Clawdeen from her older sister Clawdia
HOW...MANY...REBOOTS...DO...WE... FREAKING....NEED?! 😡😵💫
my lord, the original was good enough (if not great) with all the uniqueness, the characters, etc.
Just bring that back, PLEASE 🥺
Yes
Unfortunately I don’t think they can do that especially with Frankie because they aren’t patterning with unverisal which as rights to frankstien
And it taught us life lessons
Got damn I feel your pain I'm glad I'm not the only one.
@@Mayt5987 then why are selling creeproduction??
In my own opinion, if they really wanted to cater to a new audience or a new generation a new cast of character would have been a good choice.
1. it wouldn't degrade the originals and wouldn't taint their legacy
2. new character meaning new people to interact with and new merchandise
3. old fans wouldn't have a reason to bash the new designs in favor of the old generation.
I get that we are not the core demographic they are after, but constantly re-using character names and hoping it would make the older and newer fans happy is not the best option for this doll line.
What they did to Laguna reminds me a lot of what they did to Howleen when higher up though “orange isn’t a girly enough color, girls won’t like it, change it” and then they gave her pink hair.
1:40 This design wouldn't be too bad if it was one of Clawdeen's MANY siblings or even a cousin.
YES. I vote we rework her into Clawdeen's tomboy mechanic cousin Clawdella from Scarizona.
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho SECOND! Maybe fix the glasses (Purple frames, the gold/brown blends into the fur). I could see her as a little sister character for Howleen to bounce off without being a repeat of the Clawdeen/Howleen dynamic.
It would fit Clawdia since she was the confident nerd sister
@@Saltedroastedcaramel I don't know. The outfit and hair lean more tomboy (or awkward freshman). Clawdia had a more "put together" style.
Interesting idea, given that this is a new take on previous characters and you wouldn’t expect Clawdeen so be the exact same as she used to be in a reboot of the franchise
I know it's a small detail in the scale of things, but why is Lagoona no longer blue? Ironically she has the best design here as it's not bad, but it's not Lagoona at all. Speaking of skin tones, why is Deuce green here, when all of the characters seems to be based off of the live action reboot designs? Isn't that gonna confuse people?
Also I really do not know why they keep pushing Health. He's a fun character but not on the same level as the other classic characters here. I guess I should be glad they haven't touched Spectra, or Operetta or the other classics.
yeah, I feel like heath's only interesting parts were his dynamics with Abby. Or at least, the only parts with him I remember are his intereactions with Abby.
Her and Clawdeen have the worst designs in this reboot. That is not a good design at all. If it wasn't Lagoona, maybe, but since this is Lagoona we're talking about, it's just bad all around. Being a "save the turtles" lookin @ss is NOT good look for her-
Because they don't have the other monster high characters anymore only heath is left 💀👍, I think their licensing or smthng expired and so all they got is heath
I'm glad they never touched Spectra and Operetta as well because they're my personal favorites.
Edit: they touched Spectra, I feel sick.
@@stingingcake853 Heath used to be "fire" and "funny guy", now he's just "guy constantly on fire"
As I remember, the original Monster High had backlashed from soccer moms and other parents who didn't like the striking fashions of the original designs. This is the reason why it had a reboot. Now, there's a another reboot...soooooo....who to blame?
FR😭 I don't understand what was wrong with it
What I always found funny about those parents, is that my mom LOVED Monster High, specially Draculaura (she's pink, that's her reason).
Even now she will say "you should do x and x thing like the Monster High characters", and back then the most common one was "wouldn't you prefer more girly stuff? Like the pink one?".
The only reason that stopped me from getting more into the show was money, and now that I have some...the show that the two of us liked is nothing but a memory. I wish they could just stop with these reboots...
unfortunately I think they're doing it to just make money and cut corners where they can that includes cheap reboots cheap designs cheap dolls and cheap live actions and what makes it worse is they release OG Dolls every once in a blue moon but triple or quadruple the price so they can suck the money out of OG fans well making money off of their cheap knockoff dolls at the same time it's really sad to see what Monster High has become and it's honestly disgusting
Yeah fr also the pre reboot universe had decent clothing like it had more unique fashion and it went visually better😅
I like the older Monster High generations. I like the goth / punk aesthetics that the characters had. It’s like an opposite version of a Barbie.
Fun fact
While Frankenstein is a free use character in the sense of copyright, the whole neck bolts/sides of the head bolts is copyrighted by universal, same for the color of their skin being green, that's why most Frankensteins outside of universal properties tend to have Grey skin and no bolts
But then again that's what my art teacher told me 3 years ago
That is interesting
Wait, if that's the case, how did Monster High get access to that on Frankie the first time?
@@mikhailthegreatestdragon3627 well I'm guessing cause nick is 9wned by paramount which is part of comacon so it's part of universal or tied to, but at the same time I remember monster high used to air on cartoon network which is WB so idk
@@natto4now Imma be frank, this all makes very little sense
@@mikhailthegreatestdragon3627 yeah copyright tends to be that way
For the outfits and styling I can still justify them as wanting to appeal to a new generation that follows the fashion trends on social media rather than wanting to reinvent the wheel. The colors, however, are inexcusable: Deuce has too much green, Lagona BLUE isn't blue anymore and between the skin and sweater has too much pink going on, Draculaura could have had more black and white because the pink on the skirt almost matches the skintone but she is the most successful reboot design, Cleo now looks like her sister because now blue is her main color(again too much, could have been balanced with more gold) and Frankie I agree should be green even if the og design used a lot of blues. Heath's color pallette is an eyesore. Also I'm sad that we have no Abbey since she was my fave :(
Abby appeared briefly in the trailer...but she's nothing like herself, so maybe it's for the best you didn't notice lol
@@thisusernameisalreadytaken5132 You know what, yeah I'm going to stay ignorant and not find out how she looks like now🙈
the only excusable one here is frankie as it is a copyright issue. Monster High is no longer partnered with the company that owns the rights to the movie design of Frankenstein's monster so they now have to comply with some rules about making Frankenstein monster inspired characters. the character cannot be green, cannot have the neck bolts, and cannot have a scar across the forehead.
Even with the fashion, they can get more creative than that. It looks like they got each piece for 3 dollars at Walmart. Monster High was always about the fashion, it's sad to see them drop the ball so badly.
@@Chm388 Yeah I just saw some comments talking about the copy right issue that they have with Frankie. I feel they could have used a greener shade of blue but I would totally get it if they didn't want to risk it
Cleo and Heath's design hurts me on a personal level-
Something that everyone seems to miss about Frankie is the copyright. Universal copyrighted the green skin and bolts. Since these new dolls are nickelodeon, Frankie can no longer have those things.
These would fine if they were all new characters. Clawdeen is the worst looking of the bunch. Lagoona looks less and less like a fish the more they reboot her. They could literally stick a horn on her forehead and call her a unicorn and it would make more sense for that design. I don't like Draculaura's half and half hair. I miss the streaks, they were better looking with those colors. Everyone else is just meh. Again, better off making them all new characters.
But the question is will people especially the fans will give new characters a chance if they were created
@@animezilla4486 It would depend on a lot of smaller factors honestly. Next generation characters have worked for some series in the past and MH fans are pretty used to new characters being introduced to them. They made a bunch of new characters every doll line and movie. Having some of the older characters as teachers, parents or mentors would help.
Giving the new characters fun personalities and broad relatability instead of one dimensional sock puppets would make it easier for people to accept them. But Mattel isn't going to that no matter if they use new or old characters, so may as well make them new.
As for selling dolls, as long as they look good and have good quality, doll collectors will buy them. That's all there is to that part of the equation.
The point is, fans of a thing don't want to see the characters they love arbitrarily changed into someone unrecognizable to them. Which is what is happening here. Clawdeen is a teenaged fashionista werewolf, not a half human dork who dresses like a five year old and doesn't know how to brush her own hair.
@@aprilvaiarella435 you make a good point there
@@aprilvaiarella435 Seems like they confused Clawdeen with her older sister Clawdia, who is the nerd of the family
Who knows maybe if this was a new show with new characters it would be actually good
Just continue with the old stuff. It's still very liked and popular. And if they want something new just create new characters. They basically did that just change the names. If it's supposed to be a ''new generation'' why not take from the idea of the hybrid. Son of Cleo and Duse. Draculaura's and Clowde's kids, half vampires half werewolves. Make Todoroki character, half fire half ice. Why race swap? Just say it's a cousin or just another member of the same species.
I always wonder why some studios don't want to make new characters I think it's because they don't want to take a risk introducing new characters that the audience will not give them a chance because there are some people in the fandom that are too stubborn to give new characters at least a look at
@@animezilla4486 That could be it. Big companies are taking less and less risks now a days. As much as I HATE to admit it, I cam somewhat relate. I work hard on my original works but its usually my familiar fanworks that get more attention. But as the saying goes: no risks, no reward.
They don't have the same team making it so regardless the project would end up just bad.
They also don't have any original ideas in house and they aren't interested in accepting them from outside due to control issues.
Yeah. That's a sensible idea. 👍🏻
a lot of the reason why they just reuse old names and appearances for seemingly new characters is actually due to the copyright process. its a lot easier to rewrite a character you already have the copyright use for than to make a new character and have to go through the copyright process in EVERY country you sell the line in. it takes a lot of time and money and its just easier
I actually like Cleo’s design since it does look more ancient Egyptian haha. I can’t believe what they did to Lagoona though 😭
If I'm not wrong why by example Frankie doesn't have the bolts on her neck and more Frankenstein characteristics is because they lost the rights to the creature (and many others) and thus can't use anything that is obviously from the monster they're based on. So yeah that's why they look so iffy and human like
I just don't understand the point of making a reboot that isn't for the pre-existing fanbase. They make so much changes where it might as well be its own thing and they don't even cash in on the nostalgia that much. It's just lazy. That's not to say you shouldn't make any changes in a reboot, in fact that would get stale fast and arguably is even more lazy, but change just for the sake of change doesn't improve your quality.
Having a third reboot is questionable enough without keeping the characters the same. Of course, I just do not see how changing greatly would be lazy. You yourself admitted keeping things the same would have been lazier.
Besides, it is the third reboot, so I think they could not get away with keeping things the same, or at least very similar.
@@Bezaliel13 I think changing everything and using the same IP is lazy because by that point you might as well make a new property.
@@stevensteviepryde5888
I have to argue the laziness there is not in making changes, only in continuing the franchise.
honestly I think they're 100% doing it just to make more money by making cheaper dolls cheaper animation cheap live actions and overall just trying to cut Corners to save money and make more money. what makes it worse is they do release OG Dolls every once in a blue moon but they nearly triple the price so they can make even more money there by draining OG fans it's really sad and disgusting to see what Monster High has become.
@@berserkagain7976
How does that relate to "make so much changes where it might as well be its own thing and they don't even cash in on the nostalgia that much?" *I am dead serious in saying that does not really make sense.* Maybe if you had said they did not want this _competing with their "triple the price" OG dolls,_ but shouldn't the completely changed redesigns go directly against your tangent on "overall just trying to cut Corners to save money" by most likely needing new molds.
*On the dark side, I am sure you **_could_** agree on the conspiracy I just came up with.* Probably could make a huge rant on "they changed everything so they could keep triple charging on their cashcow OG," right?
But for real, your comment did not make sense on its own. Well, the movie looks super cheap, but the toys still would be different, possibly cheaper made but still different.
According to Monster High lore isn’t Headmistress Bloodgood the daughter of the Headless Horseman from the Legend of Sleepy Hollow who was, according to legend, a Hessian soldier aka a German during the American Revolutionary War yet they cast a black woman to play the daughter of a 1776 German?
Gotta get them inclusivity points at ALL COSTS
Im not a big fan of these endless reboots, at first. But I’d just like to say that it’s fiction, fantasy fiction and it doesn’t always fit with the og stories.
For example, in the MH Great Scarrier Reef, character Kala Mer’ri’s introduced as the daughter of the Kraken, a legendary monster coming from Scandinavian folklore… while the plot is supposedly takin place near Australia ("great scarrier reef" being an analogue of the Great Barrier Reef).
I agree with you on the part of superficiality there’s in over-representation of inclusivity. Just thought maybe it wasn’t the most adequate example.
Plus she’s pasty white in her og design.
@@wibblestwooble having your head detached from u would do that
@@dreamiinotdream730 we didn't even ask for this😭😭😭 and monster high already had great representatiom
I hate how they are shying away from the Pastel Goth aesthetic and pushing the Barbie light princess look with geeky annoying charcters.
And why is Deuce BALD without his fire, this reboot is gar-VaGe
Thank the conservative karens
I don't understand why they had to swap headmistress blood goods race. Like, I know that modern media needs more diverse representation, but doing that to an already established character instead of bringing in more characters with diversity just feels cheap.
yeah it feels kind of wrong in a way... i just don't know why they'd do that
couldn’t they have just brought in some of the og black coded characters? Clawdeen’s siblings etc? Robecca??
And there were a lot of monsters with darker skin/fur tones than could be rebooted well using POC (Catty Noir would look AMAZING played by a deep black skinned girl!!)
@@kayiscrispy love that idea with catty noir !!!!
I don't really care but Monster High had black coded characters already, why not give them the spotlight and develop them? Feels weird.
Clawdeen looks like an aging librarian.
I love that you took this time to review their designs, as I am not a big fan of either reboot. The developers should have gone in other directions, like what their lives are like during their college years.
well played
My heart breaks for this I remember as a kid when they first came out. They inspired my fashion and to stand up to my bullies and be me. Now I barely recognize it and it seem more like a money grab to get younger kids to watch it without having any of the good original meaning and story bed it and all the monsters.
Lagoona is now an influencer, Frankie is now a they and a them, and the headmistress has been race swapped. So basically monster high sold its soul to this new generation. smh
Ong
Why is Frankie being non binary a problem for you?
I like how they are trying to be ‘more inclusive’ and yet they arent, like the gen 1 slogan was to ‘ love all our freaky flaws’ why did they changed it 😢
They need to end the line if this is what they're going to be doing to it. At this point they're only devaluing it further than they did the last time!
Yeah, I don't think this franchise is gonna last.
It’s looks more appealing to Karens now. And I thought the 2016 reboot was Karen-friendly…
@@tiamystic this is worse than the 2016 reboot 😭😭 I didn’t know it was possible
@tiamystic Really doubt that the Karen’s are going to like all the queerness in Gen 3 but aight
For the reboot to be this diverse, it feels less diverse. This is why I can't stand the diversity and inclusion crap. Feels artificial. If this was a different doll franchise, then I wouldn't have a complaint. But when it's an existing property it's less authentic.
What annoys me is that Monster High's whole thing was about being inclusive, you'll be accepted no matter what you look or where you come from. They've made it feel so forced just to get boy points...just feels so soulless.
Agree to both of these comments. Monster high was naturally inclusive of race, gender, and sexuality. It wasn't forced, it just was. The subtly of it was what made it so good. Because you got the message, you understood. Being individual with your own tastes and your own style was accepted and natural. But now it's forced, it's hollow, there's no genuine message or feeling,.it's strictly for the purpose of shoving in your face saying "hey look we are being inclusive too! See!?" Like they need to stop. Hollywood ruins everything good. Strong female leads being Mary sues these days and have no development at all, and it's so forced. Then not to mention the never ending race swapping of already years passed well established characters, sexuality, all of it. It's just... sickening at this point. Everything is just so forced these days and no one in charge of these things actually cares about quality content or original ideas. They don't know how.to come up with new plots and stories so they take well loved ideas of past, "reboot" them, and shit all over them and original fans all for the sake of greed. They still haven't seemed to learn their lesson that doing this crap actually causes them to lose money in the end, not gain. Ugh. Sorry, rant over
This whole thread is weird 💀. Increasing representation and diversity is never a bad thing. The problem is that execs don’t do it well because of preconceived biases (hence the need for diff POVs), and they can never go as far as they need to because you’ll have people like the above commenters crying foul about ever character and design change as some sort of agenda when it’s completely innocuous and/or mot giving these characters the proper chance cuz they’re holding on too tightly to their nostalgia
@@LP-ct9nk There's nothing diverse or representational about this. It's manufactured crap. Monster High was diverse in it's own way in the original. Now it's cookie cutter quota check list to keep people like you happy for like 5 seconds.
@@Saltedroastedcaramel right.
My childhood with Monster High was a vibe now me coming back to this sh- hurts me like girlie Frankie stein be looking like a blue dried up noodle 💀
Monster high fans: "Will we ever know peace?!"
Wait, aren't werewolves already half-human-half-wolf? So if Clawdeen is part werewolf (AKA 50% wolf, 50% human) and part human does that mean she's, like, 25% wolf? And about Clawfeen's glasses. I don't mind her having glasses (well, if the frames looked fitting for her character) in fact, I like the idea of a bold, fierce character like her having them, it just seems counterproductive to give the confident girl glasses while dialing back on her confidence and making her more geeky and awkward. Also, Toralie Stripe sounds like a knock-off Moanica D'kay from the first garbage reboot.
I love 'bad bitch with glasses' sm, it's such a shame that in most cases glasses = nerd in media
They all look like budget dolls! Or those cheap knock off bootlegged dolls people would get from the dollar store. Clawdeen HAD a story she was this CONFIDENT stylish sporty slightly tomboyish girl...who was SUPER nervous talking to guys. She would rather book it then talk to a guy she thought was cute. I thought that was super cute but that would be an interesting story to that. Why get rid of that actually HAVE that be a challenge for her not this Oh she is a human crap...cuz I am pretty sure they once said Draculaura was ADOPTED in the orginal run wouldn't THAT be a story to talk about. Hell DEVELOPE more guy characters and revamp the designs not water them down. No one wants a watered down fashion doll it will never sell. Bring back the guys from the movies the cute zombie...unicorn, the purple hulk guy....oh the super sweet Jekyll and Hyde guy. I wanted the original series to give each girl a guy that would be an interesting pair for them that could join them on adventures as well as challenge them Duce and Cleo both challenged each other and fought for each other that was a healthy couple. Give adventure meaning...monster High was loved not for the design alone but because the characters were realistically likeable. There is always a group of friends like that who are very different but they are all so close and I respected that. The reboots make them sound hallow, shallow, boring, unrealistic boardering on generic and unrelatable.
Lastly they had diversity 🙄 all those international monsters weren't a problem the people who point it out have the damn problem! I loved seeing that come naturally the designs and personality made them distinctive as for their accents matched their nationality. They are are so much wanting this to work instead of LOOKING at what MADE it work!
Give it 1 year will be cancelled
@@sailorduck2585 I know right! But that is ridiculous why waste money a guaranteed failure when the fans are making suggestions...designing cool monsters etc and they would rather fail countless times then getting back to that.
Excuse me, tomboyish? Where? Girl was fashionista, lagoona was the tomboy one and it wasnt even that much to be honest
@@isabelbelem9062 Hmmm maybe more sport 🤔 either way I will never deny they were all iconic and fashionable !
@@sailorduck2585 i hope so bc this is awful, the shows now a days ain't nothing like they use to he
Lagoona looks as if Gigi forgot to undo the wish of 13 wishes, in fact prob a second wish to enhance the 1st 💀
I really wish they just revived the 2010-2015 monster high
I agree. I think letting the og cast grow up and show a new cast with the og characters coming in from time and time again for plot relevance (Frankie definitely would go and visit MH from time and time again) could have been such a genius idea. Companies seem to be too afraid to let go of the original cast which is why they rather reboot and completely change them - but at that point it might as well be new characters. I wish these (voice) actors got a better chance, because unfortunately, whenever fans intend it or not, there is going to be comparisons. It happened with the first reboot - but at least besides Kate Higgins, Laura Bailey and Erin Fitzgerald, everyone else returned. Wishing this all the best, I just don’t think I’m all for it personally.
Hell, they could've just made it a spinoff with older Howleen and Twyla etc and their new friends
Never got into Monster High, but I will admit some of the characters and designs from the original look pretty cool. Can definitely see it as a viable toy line (which I’m assuming is one of its main draws for people). And the play on monsters, myths, etc while a bit overdone to me, still makes for fun characters and personalities.
Will say, Frankie possibly having a prosthetic leg instantly made me think of Hiccup from How to Train Your Dragon. I know other characters in media have prosthetics, but Hiccup is definitely one of the more popular and noticeable, especially cause there’s no magic, science, or techno way for him to ever get his leg back. Which just makes it odder to me that Frankie wouldn’t have an organic leg while the rest of her does. Maybe the creators ran out of geniuses?
Hell, they could've given Cleo a prosthetic leg with the excuse that her leg just kinda fell off bc someone dropped her sarcophagus or something, rather than to the ghoul who can literally sew on limbs at will
Clawdeen physically hurts me so bad she was actually such a girlboss.
I feel like they should just make a whole new series of new characters if they truly want to connect with the new generation and have the original characters come visit like future mentors. Like you want a new nerdy girl, a person who has uniqueness like prosthetics and make a backstory for that, an Egirl? Just make new characters! Adding it to the original characters will actually confuse future generations especially when we try to explain the differences. It just clashes. Plus the outfits should be based on their personality and what kind of monster they are (just like you said with Heath’s outfit. That just looked low budget. Like he just went to a target for the sweater and added the flame designs himself….)
Imma need them to stop messing with my girl Clawdeen.
I LOVED the first iteration of her. She shares the same name as me. She was her own person who had no interest in dating and just lived hanging out with her friends. She was an older sister who called out her twin bro (another thing I loved as I have a twin named Claude) but always had his back. No one would have a problem with these reboots if they actually thought out the characters backgrounds, motivations, storyline, etc.
If Monster High is trying to have different iterations like Transformers over the years, then Mattel should have released more series to get people used to the idea.
I never watched Monster High growing up, but now that I’m older, I’m really starting to gain an appreciation for it. As someone who dresses in alternative styles, the original show and doll line has a lot of charm for me. The aesthetic is so unique and it really sets it apart from other doll lines like Ever After High and Equestria Girls. This reboot makes the characters look like all of the other shows’, eliminating what was special about Monster High in the first place. Like I said, I’m new to this, so that’s just my hot take.
Fun fact about Deuce the creators said that was suppose to be revealed that he was actually half human but the show ended before they had the opportunity.
Let's hope that the next six years will get gen 1 back and continue where it left off.
YES
Or we’ll get a Gen 4 and y’all bitches will be rounding up the pitchforks again
MH2022 being a Descendants/Zombies wannabe is ironic considering Disney felt threatened by Ever After High enough to take the Disney Princess license from Mattel and then make their own, far less thematically rich competitor in the form of Descendants.
Also, Frankie with a prosthetic limb wouldn’t be a terrible idea if it wasn’t being used for this version of the character.
Why would Frankie with a prosthetic limb be better on the Gen 1 version
I don't understand why they doing this. Like, the Monster High RUclips channel is still posing content with the original Monster High cast. They know people still love the original cast do why are they pulling this stunt.
I honestly like *some* of the character designs, but not for the characters themselves. They could have been some cool new characters because that would work out better
Their outfits are the most disappointing to me. It looks bad. Now I will say that a reboot is a reboot and that means the characters won’t be the same. But some reboots just don’t work, like the mlp reboot. That’s because the previous version was already perfect. I think the same goes for MH
At least Deuce looks more like himself than the live action movie... other than that, all of these designs aren't my cup of tea...
Okay, but can we talk about Heath and Cleo’s show characters? Cleo looks like she came from Shimmer and Shine, and Heath...I have no words..
They did such a good job running the characters!
Ironic how "inclusivity" and "diversity" by Western standards are some of the least diverse and inclusive. I feel like I've seen the same old crap here in other recent Western media. It's the same old song and dance. Monster High makes it more noticeable because the old tagline of it was "be yourself, be unique, be a monster". But now it seems to be "be you only if you agree with our politics!" considering Western media's climate and aggression to anyone who doesn't agree with or is different to them (Vic Mignogna anyone?). Ghoulia again be not appearing, and I'm glad Abbey isn't being shown so far.
Yeah and since characters can't have accents anymore, Laura and Abbie, fans who lack representation that doesn't involve their ethnic being villains have less now.
This 100%. Every western show pushes the exact same message (“the message”)If you know what I mean.Even my mother has noticed it- she now only watched Korean shows because... well they’re way better than the bs we’re making in the west.
@@foofung9961 My mother also watches Korean shows a lot and despite noticing some similar story beats and tropes, it's still more fun, entertaining, and engaging compared to Western shows (also the music is generally pretty good). This is namely because the story beats and tropes that are repetitive in Korean dramas are not political. Nobody likes being preached to or talked down on, and Western shows do that in very condescending and smug holier-than-thou ways.
Yeah im finally accepting that childhood monster high is gone now ): this new reboot is ass
@@maskedblanks7774 silly goose, everything has politics in it, you just dont see it yet
They done massacred my childhood and now imma go in a corner and cry.
But all jokes aside, I was actually looking forward to this reboot in hopes that they'll improve from the 2016 reboot but now looking at it it looks even worse in my opinion. I'm just gonna stick to the original MH and not even bat an eye to any more reboots unless they somehow bring back OG MH
Grow up
@@one-onessadhalf3393shut up
They better not replace lagoona’s love interest, Gil, with someone else because they are one of the best pairs in my opinion.
I think they should had continued with G1 monster high. Just my opinion! There’s so much more characters , dolls, & stories can come from that core of monsters. They could introduce new characters (like new lagoona).
I... ugh...
I'm sticking to the originals, thanks.,
I still have my original Frankie and Lagoona dolls from years ago, I adore their designs and the new ones are just so lifeless and mainstream it's depressing.
Cleo clearly looks like a cross between Princess Jasmine and Isabella Madrigal. It doesn't work. The old one was much better.
This reboot makes the first reboot actually look good.
Don't even get me started on Lagoona, if they wanted a Mayan monster then create a new character and give a new name.
They had one that was close it was a Manchu pichu flower monster that only blooms every several years.
@@soulsurfer7702 Amanita nightshade?
@@CelestePrimrose I don’t remember the name but that could be I but just remember she would rarely bloom as a flower and it showed what looked like a tribe worshiping her.
@@CelestePrimrose Or I might be confusing her with Marisol Coxi but they named it Monster Picchu.
@@soulsurfer7702 ah yes I think you've mistaken Marisol with the plant monster, Amanita. Amanita's origin are obscure but she's the one that a tribe worshipped before. Marisol is indeed the monster from Monster Picchu (a pun for Machu Picchu), the daughter of a Bigfoot.
They definitely missed a big opportunity with not basing more of the clothes off of 2000s/2010s scene/emo aesthetic. Not only was that what the original leaned towards, but it'd also just be really cool and open a lot of doors to be creative.
And yeah, after standing as who they are for over a decade and being beloved by all, it's way too late to make such big changes to the classic characters. It would be way better (in my personal opinion :) ) to introduce new characters and maybe make them the original cast's children or something
They're really trying to make Monster High cute and like a normal doll line, when the whole appeal of this franchise is that it's the weird edgy and creepy alternative to your Barbies and My Little Ponies. By trying to make it softer and cuter, they're missing the point.
Also give me back Ever After High, I loved those characters.
I agree, Toralei actually looks pretty cool. As for the rest, I'm not terribly impressed either
I think making Frankie “they/them” is just trend chasing.
Honestly, this whole thing feels like a trend. And like all trends, it will inevitably dwindle and people will look back and think how lame it was. Like being a hippie, or a goth.
It's a sad day when executives think it's smart to make people that use they/them/non-binary/GNC characters for the sole purpose of chasing a fancy trend just cause we are getting more attention now adays.
It is. I don’t see it as anything other than a trend at this point.
The E-girlification of the whole thing Is trend chasing 🧚🏻♀️👩🏼🎤🧜🏾♀️👽
i know and it needs to stop
Torelei's backstory change made me so sad because I loved her backstory! Also Lagoona was my first fave character and they just?? She looks NOTHING alike! Shes a whole new character!!
The way Clawdeen was such a fashion icon in monster high to the point where she got to go to Scaris and work with one of the best fashion designers in the world... and then in this movie she dresses like a 6th grader who just found out what hot topic is.
And I bet the voice "actors" were chosen by their skin color and Not for the voice performance ...
its a weird world...
that how any american project is done now i hate it i miss when voice range was the norm not the exception
Yep. Thought the same thing. Because now a fictional cartoon has to be voiced by someone of the race race, gender, sexuality and identity. Good thing Phil Lamar made his money with Samurai Jack when he did.
Same with behind the scenes, doesn't matter if you got talent just if you fit in a certain box based on your sexuality, race or gender.
@@cartoonking1789 it’s getting annoying that if the voice actor is non binary lesbian etc than the character now changes. I thought it was the monster high movie of why Frankie is now non binary but it was because they changed it in the reboot.
Lol which is ironically racist, for some reason people try so hard to be racist that they just ended doing shit that’s fucking racist.
Why don't they make new characters? SJWs always ruin original things. This just hurt my eyes.
Because some people probably don't want new characters
@@animezilla4486Well we don't want this shit either
@@animezilla4486 Or they were diagnosed with creative imроtеnсе.
@@animezilla4486 monster high is always introducing new characters there's nothing wrong with this
SJW? How are you still living in 2016
They made a reboot like this because of laziness and corporate greed, it had nothing to do with political ideology
the problem with frankie is mostly due to copyright from universal studios, universal is really strict about the rules of creating your own Frankenstein's monster. the only reason why G1 Frankiestein was really close to the universal type Frankenstein's monster is because mattel was working with Universal. The new G3 is made by nickelodeon so they simply don't have rights to many of the iconic things that make a Frankenstein's monster recognizable
The characteristics that Universal holds the rights to (in the case of Frankenstein's monster) are: bolts on the neck, green skin, thunder bolt style white highlights on hair, a big "stitch" scar dividing the face. I'm pretty sure that most of the people reading already noticed that almost all of these are the characteristics which people say are missing from G3 Frankie!
tldr; many of the changes are simply due to copyright and they just can't be worked around, while it's really easy to redesign and criticize the G3 designs everyone should keep in mind that the underbelly of creating a cartoon (especially one as iconic as Monster High, which worked under a totally different studio) is really complicated and tread mostly by the legal team, not the designers !
When I saw the intro, and looked at Lagoona’s VA…
I immediately know who she is.
Ok, for those who don’t know, Valeria Rodriguez voices Strawberry Crepe Cookie (MY BELOVED💕💕💕💕) and Sucrose!!
WHAT---
I get the idea of making Monster High a multigenerational series like GI Joe or Transformers, but you need some serious time and effort to make that even happen. At they rate they are going, they should of stopped after the first reboot did so poorly.
I love lagoonas reboot design to be honest, its very cute and she looks like an axolotl! But the original lagoona works better because the outfit being more detailed and fashionable instead of just casual wear and her skin matching with her last name
Edit: the lagoona redesign is adorbs yall were just some haters 🤷🏻♀️
They could have gotten around that by having her turn blue when shes under water (or even teal for that matter since Frankie is the blue one now) which on the dolls side, is a gimick mattel is been giving Barbie for decades!
And they could have made her into an axolotl. South America has tons of mythology. But nothing in her look even reads Mayan, let alone South American
I miss the old Lagoona. They could've created a different character for that design
@@Saltedroastedcaramel my exact opinion!
@@choerbit I want my Australian surfer chick back
Jackson is so underrated. He have so much potential and can be the star of his own movie. He sid have a role in that halloween movie and an arc about him with Frankie. Plus he's supposed to be related to Heath. A movie about him would be cool.
Clawdeen was always my favourite as a kid, her outfits were always so chic but with a tiny amount of edge cause she is a monster, they made her look like an awkward 9 year old in this 😭✋️
My question is did a anyone ask for this?
I mean, some of us did, but Mattel answered in the most monkey paw way possible
I never watched Monster High but the designs look lackluster.
As an og monster high fan that LOVED monster high and all the old movies, it really pains me to see what they’ve done with the characters and especially their designs, as a kid what I loved most about monster high was the fashion and that goth aesthetic that they gave the characters and I really loved how they took the time to make EVERY character fashionable and unique and their outfits always resembled their character, but now all I see is lazily done character designs like why dose every character just look like that one geek that gets picked on? Clawdeen was really one of my favorite characters because of her hair and outfit and really how dare they replace her fur jacket and instead give her overalls and glasses? And Cleo, my favorite character, they literally stripped her away from all her excellence all the gold in her hair and diamonds and instead made her look extremely basic and boring oh and Duece loved him so much but his new redesign just destroys his former excellence, and DONT EVEN get me started on Draculaura because trust me I’m really not interested in making this comment longer than it already is, but all I’m going to say is this reboot is absolute garbage they should have left og monster high as it was.
The reason Frankie is blue and has no bolts is because I think either Warner bros or Disney whoever did the first Frankenstein monster with the green skin and neck bolts (please corrrect me in the comments) has the rights to the design. The company forbids any brand or tv show, movie etc from using it. So I think the people working on this tried to work around that.
Not a Monster High fan but I did see the original specials on Nickelodeon and all I can say about this reboot is: HOLY SHIT!
Omg I agree with you on so many of your points! I think Clawdeen's hair is looks like the dye washed out, I don't understand Frankie's rocker haircut, it worked well for Venus and not for them. Also did you notice Cleo has bugs crawling on her? Yuck!
The reason that Frankie is blue and missing her neck bolts is because of copyright! I believe that it's Universal that holds the copyright for the original Frankenstein monster, but I could be wrong. The's a list of rules that anyone trying to make a Frankenstein monster has to follow, and two of those rules are 'they can't be green' and 'they can't have neck bolts'.
I definitely like Cleo’s design better than the live action but it reminds me of Princess Jasmine
Lagoona and Clawdeen look awful..wtf were they thinking???
So..they make Deuce's white skin green..made Frankie's green skin blue...and made Lagoona's blue skin pink..wtfff??? For why? They literally just swapped their skin colours for no reason, it doesn't even make sense-
And nooo, Clawdeen..what have they done to my idol?? What are these decisions??? I barely recognized Heath tbh-
They literally hit randomise on the skin colours it's all hideous
Looks worst than my 8 year old oc designs