Woonggi was literally a walking breathing advertisement for TO1. He’s one of the most popular member that was loved by EVERYONE. He isn’t even my bias but I was so devastated when he was going under hiatus and when the rumors of him being kicked out was established, I was extremely upset.
i really don't understand... both magnolia and no more x were masculine badass concepts and the three members who left did fine. the concept photos for their new comeback look colorful and bright. what the hell do the company means by 'team identity' then? 💀 the identity of a group shouldn't be their concept or music, but the people who make the group😓
I’m also hearing people say that wakeone wanted a more mature concept for them, yet they added a 17 year old member to the group, and the 3 members who just left were in their early 20s it’s just not adding up
I really hope woonggi Jerome and minsu redebut in an other group ! They are so talented and funny 😭 i don't get it woonggi is one of the most popular members and they fit the last badass concepts just fine bc they have multiple side: they can be badass, they can be cute bc they are pro idols ! To me that doesn't make sense from a business stand point: it bad for the reputation of the group, disappointing for the fans, bad for the stability among the members, they get rid of one of the most popular members.. in my eyes it's just plain hate for ''feminine'' men from the management ;-;
For real for real. This is like one of those series where some of the main characters die in the second season but they still decide to continue the show.
Basically I’d put the group as TOO (2020-2021) TO1 Season 1 (2021-2022) TO1 Season 2 (2022-Present) (because of the current lineup) Their history reminds me of 9Muses, HelloVenus (the companies fighting), etc However I kinda consider them OT13 ❤️ >3
@@jihoonscarat yeah I actually had hight hopes for Woongi (I called him my little Woongles lol) during their Peak Because he was just one the cutest little things and seeing how Wake One came and ruined things is just 💔 I hope he, Jerome, and Minsu leave this trashy company soon. It’s absolutely no good at all. And I hope the new members don’t get mistreated but I’m kinda worried Wake One will do something stupid again.
32:05 What irritates me about this is that people use the most shallow, bullshit reasons to speculate on idols' sexuality. And then, to add insult to injury, they talk about it on social media where the idols, themselves, (or worse; homophobic trolls) can see it. I am a proud, card carrying member of the LGBT collective, but I would be insulted beyond belief if someone thought so because I liked girl groups and was partial to cute concepts. I don't think there's anything wrong with thinking idols might not be straight (I've always found it amusing that it's ~assuming~ an idol's sexuality when someone says as much but people talk about idols as if they're straight all the time; wouldn't that also count as ~assuming~ their sexuality?!) but if that shit is why, pls do me (and every other LGBT fan) a favor and delete your account.
Like I told someone in a comment, it is no ones business what you are or who you like. Being labelled as something you might not even be or aren’t even sure of is horrible and it’s not our business to be speculating about this stuff, especially on a public platform that is available for ANYONE to see
Right, people shouldn't be s3xu8l1zing these idols anyway, gay, straight or anything else, it's not their business and doing so isn't helping anything. Just let them be and if they talk about it, great, if not, it's no one's place to be talking about that anyway.
OH MY GOD I SCREAMED SEEING THIS POP UP It's so weird seeing somebody talk about events that I had to live through as a Together since debut. The term "internal policy changes" still triggers my fight or flight response. The day that everything changed from TOO era to TO1 was so scary; I remember checked their socials before 11am in my timezone and everything seemed fine and then soon boom... I got a bunch of notifications talking about TO1 this and TO1 that it felt so scary and unreal. Some clarifications from my perspective as a long-time Gether: - It's important to note that Woonggi's sudden hiatus was likely suddenly caused by the flood of hateful (and largely homophobic) comments he was receiving at the time. He posted a long thread of photos on Christmas and in one of the photosets he's on some stairs and the second photo was what _really_ set some people off. You'll know what I mean when you see it. The thread is still up btw. - Chihoon's departure was super sudden and the only theory I have was that he mentioned Woonggi once during a vlive while the boys were playing a game and the room got pretty silent. I coulda sworn that I saw Jaeyun looking behind the camera at somebody. After that vlive Chihoon fell totally silent on all socials for an entire month, including Bubble, which he was one of the most active members on. - WakeOne made a birthday post for Woonggi and not one for Chihoon despite their birthdays being only days apart (Woonggi on April 23rd vs Chihoon on April 27th) which was the biggest sign that Chihoon wasn't coming back at that point. - "to1 gay" arose as a sorta argument Gethers are having amongst ourselves, especially due to one Twitter user's comments, specifically something about a "boyfriend material" image or whatever (I didn't read the thread entirely because I skip over stuff like this and just wanna live on peacefully but I'm sure if you search for it it'll come up). Some LGBT+ Gethers argue that gay should not be treated as an insult and something negative to be associated with and while I personally agree with that I also agree that we literally cannot assume anything about anyone's sexualities or gender identities and that is that. TO1 gay and especially the Woonggi gay agenda have been going on for a while now and is something that we just have to live with. (More of a side note here) People took to the new members surprisingly well, actually; most surprising to me is the amount of people already biasing Yeojeong. I personally am not that comfortable with the idea of the new members yet but hopefully with the coming era that changes; I'm not unwilling to love them and learn about them more. But I still really don't get how people can bias him so comfortably when we barely just learnt that his surname is "Jeon" 🫠 Btw when WakeOne says a "more mature" concept i don't think it means mature as in "adult" but just a phrase as to say they've gone through even more "growth" as a group. And finally, most importantly, PLEASE support their comeback on the 28th!!! We've been through so much, the least you can do is check it out 🫶🏾 Thank yaaaaa~~
though i do support ur a really strong follower of to1, how can you say that the new concept really means growth as a group, when they just cut off about a third of it
These boys have been on a roller coaster ever since their debut. I feel so bad for them, they had so much potential if only the right people handled them, they could have thrived. They lost all of their rights to all of their older songs, was in between a merger and company conflict. NCH was the only company that actually cared for them.
They really fucked up with letting the four members go. Let's be honest Chihoon: a genius producer, song writer, composer, main rapper. He doesn't lack anything,like even his dance is good enough, he's obviously very handsome. Jerome: they could've hit the jackpot with that boy, very tall with a perfect face, the most handsome member (with j.you) he could be an actor and that would blow TO1s popularity (like ASTRO with Eunwoo), not to talk about his singing & dancing Woonggi: the icon, BEST DANCER, BEST VOCALIST, one of the most famous and loved memebers, another one who can give so much popularity to the grp. Minsu: Voice, visual, dancer, cuteness, he doesn't lack in anything as well. I don't hate the new members,tbh I don't even know them yet, congratulations to them for debuting too ofc. But wake one really ruined it all. I really hope TO1 to he successful after all the changes they've been thro, I really don't want them to disband. And I hope the other 4 memebrs debut soon in another grp
as someone who stanned them during rtk and been with them for some time, i just knew one of these days you would cover them esp concerning the history and changeups they had. its really gotten to the point now where i honestly feel so disconnected with the group esp with this latest changup because i really liked minsu and although i still have biases in the group, it just doesnt feel the same to me anymore. maybe i might still be a together but i honestly wont be surprised if i unstan soon. i'll always support all the members including the new ones and keep following them but idk if i have it in me to keep going through stuff like this and keep being a dedicated together
I also feel disconnected. I’m a newer stan, but I already got attached to the personalities and talents of the old members… How do they expect me to stan these random people that I don’t even know? Especially when it feels as if they replaced the older members and the members were just trash to be thrown away. I want to be excited for the new comeback and like the new members, but I can’t 😕 I don’t know them and Wakeone isn’t even doing anything to introduce them to us, no content no nothing. I feel mad at the fandom too because the new Japanese members are getting 5-6x the likes of the old members. It makes me scared that the old members will be forgotten or something like that.
@@kaylaa660 im just glad im not alone in feeling the same! like you said, it just felt like, to wakeone, the members are disposable and can be replaced with new members if they dont fit the image they want for them. and it hurts esp as minsu, jerome, and woonggi have shown even from debut that they can easily fit darker concepts. i want to like the new members, and i do obviously, but i barely know them. i didn't watch produce so i don't even know the japanese members. i don't know their talents or personalities (im sure they are talented but i just wish we had a live with them or a recent cover video to show them off) and tbf the jpn members im sure have their produce fanbase that followed over so that might explain the likes but yeah it makes me worried too. ik we're doing our best to accept this and try to move on, but for me, it's hard to, esp as an older together than went through a good amount of their history
@@mmello_jello They were really good! I remember people at the time being stunned that they were only rookies! Such a shame these groups with so much potential always get squandered by these incompetent agencies:(
Stanned TO1 since debut with the name of TOO, felts I could not Stan anymore because my bias was left for unknown reason. I can't believe their journey went through how bad like this. I didn't know why W1 removed the three feminine members were they actually fits the concept TO1. And also I didn't know what happened to Chihoon being left. Yet, I'm still supporting this group until the end
I hope the company didn't kick them out of the group just so they could go with a more "mature" concept and the ones who "left" didn't fit that, when TOO literally debuted with a "mature" and "masculine" ahh concept, It.does.not.make.sense.
I can tell u I also thought Chihoon was forced to leave after “mentioning Woongi” during a Vlive. Therefore he was probably forced to leave the company beside the other reason and look unlike the other members leaving he left he didn’t have a written farewell letter!! Shows you how their career has not gone well due to the current Situations.
I feel really bad for all the members. I hope Jaeyun isnt doubting himself as a leader because he isnt lacking in any way, its just WakeOne being stupid. Jerome’s departure in particular shocked me the most because he was always the member who seemed to be the most enthusiastic about the group. The team identity thing is BS. The three of them fit perfectly with the group.
Jaeyun is my ult ult bias and Jerome and Minsu were my bias wreckers so I was so torn on whether I should keep supporting them but I decided that I would be open minded. I love Jaeyun and the other members TOO much to leave them. It’s hard to support them when I don’t want to support such a horrible company 😭
Count 1! 2! Was probably the best concept they had for a comeback yet because it fit perfectly best for their feminine members especially Woongi!! Such a shame Wake One threw them out 🤦♀️ (just to “change their group image”) Wake One really needs to wake up at this point I’m sick and tired of how they’ve treated their artists.
Nooo but like actually I was watching Edward Avillas video with TO1 to make sure I was thinking of the correct members and the first thing that truck me while looking at the members that left... all of them were the more feminine/cute members. They will have a hard time getting fans... now that Woongi is gone. Like I'm not even a boy group stan and I still adored him
I literally just watched some of those videos too and Woongi was literally the one who stood out the most as the one with the most sass and personality. I don’t get why he was removed…
Im glad you made video about them but i'm just unable to watch it, im still in such pain after woonggi, jerome and minsu departue, especialy woonggi, he means world to me, i got into so many nugu ggs thanks to him and i just cant even think of to1 but i'm still happy you made vid abt them they deserve it
I feel extremely bad for them they're still TO1 but with the new members it feels like a 3rd debut for them I don't stand TO1 and the fandom doesn't seem like the type to harass people (I hope not) so I hope the new members don't get hate for something they had no say or control over. I hope after this comeback things start to become a lot more stable for them because at this rate I don't know how much TO1 can take before the company says screw it and disbands them.
Idk why but I think wakeshit is gonna try sending the 3 members that left to boys planets or maybe the 3 members that they just add to to1. Im pretty sure they would send anyone to that program. As a kep1ian I feel so sorry for to1, that shitty company doesn’t deserve the artists they have.
now that u put it in the room i can feel woonggi, jerome and minsu joining boys planet.. idk what else they would plan with them rn, just pulling them out of to1 for a new group, .. it just doesnt make sense to me but wakeone sending them to a survival show? seems like smth they would do
33:20 I agree 100%, like I looked their ytb channel and they didn't even upload smt since 3 months ??? Like the new members didn't get to show their rap and singing, they didn't even have an introduction video, I feel like the agency choose them just to choose new members without paying much attention
When they announced new members I was shocked because Daigo and Renta were 2 faves from produce 101 Japan season 2 and I was expecting them to debut in Jpop groups not a Kpop group that was already established. Plus the very controversial way of them going into TO1 after 4 members leaving that kinda feels like a black cloud was put over them because it’s too soon. I don’t know what the future will be like for this group but I just can’t feel optimistic about it right now. I want them ALL to succeed, this whole mess hurts my heart.
Yesss thank you for covering! I was following them since debut, because I’m a leaf (nature stan) haha But dang just hearing you recap their history showed how they were always in turmoil. I hope that the members(old and new and former) could get a fair shot at fame. 💚
when i discovered TOO through rtk they immediately captured my heart, i was so amazed by all their talent and personalities, each member was so unique and could easily be an ace if they were in seperates groups,, they had so much potencial and i was looking foward to their future so much i don't know if with all these changes TO1 will feel the same to me, it's sad to say but i had such a big attachment to all the 10 members that this just doesn't feel like TOO/TO1 anymore i'll support the best i can the rest of the members but yeah i just feel so heartbroken with everything, they had everything to succeed if it wasn't for that company
OMG SEEING a video on a group I LOVE is not a great feeling at all. I mean all these groups truly going through it. Then seeing a group I definitely listen to a lot. Dang. Thank you as always for updating us. I’m sure it may be a lot mentally to have to go through all this research and such. And also the amount of work. Thank you so much! We all really appreciate it and you💖
i met this group yesterday and i did not even imagine all the shit and mistreatment and shit that they went through. now i just want to stay by their side and save them from their company, no joking. thank you so much for all the info, it is really helpful. i hope things became more stable now. sorry if i made a mistake, english its not my first language and sometimes i mess up.
Oh it's very odd for a very freshly debuted group to go on RTK indeed! It happened again this year with Kep1er on Queendom, but at least Kep1er had a tiny bit more time in the industry than TOO (and since both programs were from MNET it makes more sense too)
I got into the CJ E&M rabbit hole on Wikipedia, and they are MASSIVE. When you said "one of the biggest entertainment companies in Korea, I wasn't expecting they are "we own Mnet and TVN" big, or that they own production companies that make some of the most popular dramas ever. They are quite literally EVERYWHERE.
Happy 1 year to this vid 🥺❤️ unfortunately it’s only a matter of time TO1 will disband it could be any day now but I have a feeling it’ll be sometime this year. I’m glad the former members were finally able to leave WakeOne though.
I've wanted to stan TO1 for so long,but every time they do something that makes me wanna stan them it is followed by bad news. I will support them in this comeback,but I genuinely don't want them in that company. It's the same thing for Kep1er. I know that they are better than in a nugu company, but at the same time it's pretty obvious shitty things are happening behind curtains.
3:37 the reason TOO went to rtk is because they were collaboring with mnet, their survival aired on mnet so yeah, that's pretty much the same for kep1er and queendom
the comeback was fine and i liked the album, but i feel like i cant really 'stan' this group anymore and would probably consider myself a casual fan now. they've been ot10 for almost 3 years since world klass, and now suddenly the group dynamics are are different, and even though this is their most commercially successful comeback, it still feels kinda lackluster? other than the 4 members leaving, something feels empty and different.
Out of topic but did you see the news about the next post Good Day groups ? I love the determination of these girls. Especially my girl Jiwon who is already in her 3rd stage name.Preparing myself to pour out all the money on Cignature,IRRIS and ALDL .
As a Minsu stan, I am sad that he left the group. Idk what really is happening behind the camera but they just went to Kcon a few months ago and after a month they released a statement that Minsu, Woonggi and Jerome will leave the group.
What makes me so upset is then they were formed under a survival show. People voted for each individual member, so what right do they have adding people WHO ARENT EVEN FROM THE SAME SHOW? This just destroys the purpose of survival shows in the first place. Even if you take out members, it's not necessary to add new ones. Something else I noticed too is that they tended to make the songs they cover more masculine (the i cant stop me cover is a great example). It makes me wonder how masculine theyre trying to make this group look. Taking out one of your most popular members? Yeah, great way to make money.
They have so much potential I’m just hope that they don’t disband after this comeback because most groups from small companies disband because they didn’t become popular ☹️
Yes me too but I actually want them to disband and/or rebrand and stuff so they can get of this mess!! I mean look at what the group has gone through all these years!! They shouldn’t be in this company anymore!
Since their last cb re:alize all we’ve been given is the update about the four members leaving the group. Then f*ck all leading up their next cb. It literally came out of NOWHERE and we were not informed about the three new members joining the group beforehand. I REALLY WANT THE ORIGINAL TO LEAVE THE COMPANY AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE ALTOGETHER THAT WILL TREAT THEM SO MUCH BETTER!
In other words, even doe Too or To1 were under three different companies they still didn't or couldn't get the proper management they needed for their careers
I don't think they kicked out those three members because of their looks or personality but because they may have disagreed with the new changes. For example, Woongi was a very extroverted spokesman and maybe the other members were too. The group already had a hard time trying to made it to the final lineup later on losing its original name and rights then going into hiatus and now having to "change" concept once again?
They just lost one of their new members. Renta left on Sept.22,2023. His departure was unusual as well. I don't believe that I have ever seen such constant member chaos in a group before. Management needs to get it together and either handle this group properly or dissolve all contracts and let them go. They are sitting on a gold mine of talent and are letting them rot for inactivity. Sad.
I have an interesting perspective on the matter! I've never really known too much of TO1 but I do follow the Japan side of things in the industry and I was (worried admittedly) but excited to see Renta and Daigo pop up after disappearing to Korea after PD101 JapanS2. They're both sweethearts and hardworking and I look forward to getting into TO1 or at least checking them out now. It sounds weird, but I think it'll be good exposure for the group into the Japanese market and it'll bring more attention and fans to TO1 in wake of all the changes that have occurred. While I can't bring back old members, I offer a sliver of optimism in that the change might be a "blank canvas, fresh paint" kind of thing and myself as a new fan to get to know these talented guys and their antics! Stay strong for the members still left, and try to welcome the new guys with warm hearts-- it won't fix things but it might make the bandaid prettier while the wound heals. TO1, fighting!
nah but i was so sad when i heard and found out that they were leaving the group, they fit the concept perfectly well, dont deserve any hate and shouldnt have felt forced to leave the group etc theyve been thru sm shit together as a group since a debut and it makes me sad to see them go but as a toogether i'll still support T01!!!
Most boy bands (whether Korean or not) aren’t seen as masculine to the GP in general, so it’s interesting that they’re out here removing the most feminine members when that’s not really a problem for their target fanbase. Seems like a combo of a vocal minority + all the usual issues that arise when a company is trying to engineer success vs. having it happen organically
Omg what ?? I've been so away from kpop, they're one of the groups that to me produces some of the best songs ever, like you have to listen to their albums I love them so much I used to watch all their contents from debut and I didn't know all these were happening
I fell in love with them as soon as they debuted as TOO, Chihoon was my bias and him leaving made me lose interest in the group honestly, I still follow their content and progress but learning about Jerome, Woonggi and Minsu's leaving it just made it so hard :( I don't hate the new members but i'm really upset about it, I don't like how they are just replacing the others
I hope you’re also worried about the girl group Favorite, because I am. It’s been nearly 3 years since their last comeback and I wouldn’t want them breaking up immediately
@@henrybanchieri8305 yeah they (the company) probably can’t afford to give them a comeback due to financial issues they might’ve had because of Covid or they just don’t want to say anything
You did a really great job on this, as usual, very thorough and great research. I hate that this might be needed, but I wonder if you might consider a future video on Thai kpop soloist Natty? 3 days ago, without any explanation, it was quietly announced she signed to S2 Entertainment, though she was signed to SWING Entertainment for 2 years but hadn't had any activities since November 2020 and her 2nd single "Teddy Bear" (many of us thought the break had to do with C()V!D though). She had announced her fandom name and said on her RUclips channel that she was going to be doing a lot more social media but that was basically her last video and we have heard nothing from anywhere her for over 18 months :/ She was on SIXTEEN (the show that made TWICE) and beat Momo but JYP decided she was too young (she was 14? at the time) and on Idol School (and likely got rigged out, as she was ranked #1 for several weeks and then suddenly stopped getting screen time and her ranking plummeted). We're very confused and worried :/
Such a great video... The group had a pretty rocky road so far... I hope things get petter for them and that Chihoon, Woonggi, Jerome and Minsu will become successful without TO1. I had the same feeling about the three leaving the group as what you mentioned. They are more feminine... but in TO1s performances, they still always nailed the concepts... even if those were more masculine and tough! I am sad that the three are no longer part of TO1. But may I ask, what is wrong about the assumption that they are probably gay? I am really curious because I don't understand why this is rude. I mean... being gay is nothing bad... being gay or whatever sexual/romatic orientation you have, isn't something bad or something that needs to be hidden! Again thank you for this great video.
It was just announced Japanese member Renta will be leaving the group and bruh only a year in the group. W1 really needs to disband them at this point. The group is ruined at this point.
i never followed them paticularly closely and i only have like one mutual who does but from what i've seen woonggi was definitely a moneymaker. from a business standpoint at least it seems ridiculous to kick him out because if you have nugu bg mutuals you've definitely heard of woonggi! as much as daigo and renta can help bring them into the japanese market, i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of togethers start feeling disconnected from to1 as a whole and drop off them. obviously i wish the best for all of them but removing three of the most popular members is never ideal.
i can't believe they got rid of half of the members. to1 was incredibly perfect together, their chemistry was unmatched, and they were all comfortable with each other. with enough promotion the og lineup would've blown up soon enough. i hate wakeone.
I’ve been a Jerome bias since day 1 and just found out about the new lineup and our ICONIC trio leaving. Honestly I hope that those three debut together but I know the Jerome hinted at becoming a solo artist which I think would be really good for him. At this point though it’s not even TO1 this is TO2 now 😭😭😭😭
This is what I will never understand…and that’s how homophobes and/or people with toxic masculinity are SO obsessed with other peoples sexual preference and mannerisms. As a gay guy myself, I don’t focus on members like those three and their sexuality. I just love and focus on how they’re very expressive and talented. It’s like being feminine in society has been so demonized when there are literal straight men out there that are comfortable in their sexuality, that are very feminine and aren’t afraid to express themselves… it doesn’t matter what they are! Their femininity and joyful selves are what make them and the group shine!
28:15 IOI wasn't under Studio Blu when they were active (2016-2017), they were under YMC Entertainment which wasn't related to CJ&EM, Studio Blu was gonna manage IOI's 2019 comeback reunion but that was cancelled thanks to the Produce Vote rigging scandal so the members probably never got far enough like to sign with them. Wanna One during their first year was also managed by YMC before transferring to Swing.
i just want the guys to leave cj and make a proper statement towards why did woonggi, sungmin and minsu left, bc i dont believe the "more mature image" thing. sungmin was one of the main visuals and brought attention, woonggi did so too bc of his amazing personality and most of the fandom felt connected towards minsu's shyness. plus, the group in general felt like they had a geniune and pure friendship and connection between the 10 (9 at the time) of them. i understand chihoon leaving bc he never even wanted to be a full on idol, and i love the music he's been uploading lately on souncloud (as ian). my ult bias is kyungho and I'm glad he didn't leave, but i just don't feel happy at all even with the cb they'll be having this week. i just hope they're doing well, it must be horrible going through all of that in just 2 years
minsu seemed kind of low energy for the past couple months, not sure about jerome though. woonggi might have been suffering from the hate comments and after someone tried to accuse him of bullying. someone else said that mnet might be sending them to boys planet
TO1 had me following them after I heard their cover Someday by OneRepublic and since then I have loved their music and personalities and right not they are getting hit left and right with setbacks and I hope they aren’t to stressed because this is a lot. One thing I really hate is it seems stone entertainment has everything to treat the idols they had/have well and take them far and it just seems they are choosing not to like they really should have let the other company help with the boys because stone is failing them. And yes some of the boys were feminine however they did well when they had a masculine concept so if they were kicked for that reason that’s another failure on stone.
just saw the comeback and bi/tch what made wake one remove toowice for "group identity" this is literally a bright concept hello?? they just wanna ruin everything thats what
Plus, the new members barely got an impact on it. I casually watched a line distribution and... unless it contains blatant mistakes, Renta, Yeojeong and Daigo all stand in the bottom 3 with less than 10s worth of lines (along with OG member Jisu). Also, it also looked like Renta and Yeojeong had little to no solo screen time, or maybe it's just me. Shouldn't you make an effort to showcase new members' skills adequately?
the continuity is dead... like this isnt a mature concept LMAO its so dumb at this point im conviced theyre just trying to kill TO1 bc i took a peek at the sales and its not looking too hot there either which SUCKS cuz the choreo and song go hard
@@basma7806 - the particular phrase use in the statement doesn't necessarily mean "mature" as in "adult" or sexualized but "mature" as in "they've done more growing as a group". as for sales, we're still barely a week past why not??'s release and in the first week the album has been selling pretty well + they're charting more than they've done before.
It makes my blood boil knowing that they kicked the three more feminine members out for a more mature concept when they fit that concept. My ult bias was Woonggi and I just hope him and the other members will debut in another group or maybe even go solo.
To be fair, Kprofiles isn’t the most accurate source for member popularity; and member popularity is hard to measure anyways. Plus, Daigo, Renta, and Yeojeong are still super new to the team - we haven’t even heard any of them sing or rap yet so people biasing them is going to be rare right now. And all of the original members have had those bias votes accumulating over 2 years vs the new members only getting votes for about a month. I’m upset about these changes too but at the end of the day there’s nothing that we can do. Personally, I’m still going to support them no matter what.
@@DaeguYunie Dont get me wrong I like the new members and I understand that its pretty unfair that I used votes thats been going on for 2 years+ now and how the new members just joined the group but I just wished they had a better reason for kicking them out. Dont take it as I hate the group now because I still stan them and I'll support them on their journey no matter what.
@@zakari6087 - That's good to hear! It's devastating that TOOwice + Chihoon aren't here anymore but we'll support them for a better future as much as we can :)
Woonggi was literally a walking breathing advertisement for TO1. He’s one of the most popular member that was loved by EVERYONE. He isn’t even my bias but I was so devastated when he was going under hiatus and when the rumors of him being kicked out was established, I was extremely upset.
He was my bias 🥺😭😞😔💔❤️
Sigh, is Woonggi still planning to be in the industry or maybe acting. He is very entertaining.
@@JimFeig - idk if you heard by now but him and Seongmin are now participating in Boys Planet.
@@DaeguYunie Yes I saw, not the best activity if you had a stress related mental health issue.
i really don't understand... both magnolia and no more x were masculine badass concepts and the three members who left did fine. the concept photos for their new comeback look colorful and bright. what the hell do the company means by 'team identity' then? 💀 the identity of a group shouldn't be their concept or music, but the people who make the group😓
That’s exactly what I was thinking?! They suited the concept well from what I could tell
It was a excuse to them to be "homophobic"
@@hrawwr yeah
I’m also hearing people say that wakeone wanted a more mature concept for them, yet they added a 17 year old member to the group, and the 3 members who just left were in their early 20s it’s just not adding up
*17 (Yeojeong was born in January)
F’real
i believe that the particular phrase used doesn't directly mean more mature as in "adult" but more mature as in they've experienced more "growth"
@@DaeguYunie yeah
Fr!! Make it make sense 😭
I really hope woonggi Jerome and minsu redebut in an other group ! They are so talented and funny 😭 i don't get it woonggi is one of the most popular members and they fit the last badass concepts just fine bc they have multiple side: they can be badass, they can be cute bc they are pro idols !
To me that doesn't make sense from a business stand point: it bad for the reputation of the group, disappointing for the fans, bad for the stability among the members, they get rid of one of the most popular members.. in my eyes it's just plain hate for ''feminine'' men from the management ;-;
I fell in love with them while making this video and I just hope that their journey isn’t done
@@jihoonscarat me too ! After watching the video my friend and I decided to be their future Stan xD
Jerome hinted at becoming a solo artist
@@tristan_mbb4422 yeah
Jerome and Woonggi are now on BOYSPLANET !!!
I feel so sorry for all the members, this all sounds like so much stress.
It really does. I feel bad for all of them, the new ones, the ones that stayed and the ones that left. This can not be a easy situation to be in
@@jihoonscarat Nah it isn’t especially Jaeyoon since he was a on ASC and has been year since day 1
This isn't even TO1 anymore, this is TO2😭
TO1 Season 2
staaawwwwwwppppppppp 😭
LMAOOO
For real for real. This is like one of those series where some of the main characters die in the second season but they still decide to continue the show.
Basically I’d put the group as
TOO (2020-2021)
TO1 Season 1 (2021-2022)
TO1 Season 2 (2022-Present) (because of the current lineup)
Their history reminds me of 9Muses, HelloVenus (the companies fighting), etc
However I kinda consider them OT13 ❤️ >3
As I was watching content for this video I really fell in love with WoongGi and Jerome.
@@jihoonscarat yeah I actually had hight hopes for Woongi (I called him my little Woongles lol) during their Peak Because he was just one the cutest little things and seeing how Wake One came and ruined things is just 💔 I hope he, Jerome, and Minsu leave this trashy company soon. It’s absolutely no good at all. And I hope the new members don’t get mistreated but I’m kinda worried Wake One will do something stupid again.
If someone doesn’t get TO1, Kep1er and Yuri out of Wake One right now I will go and do it myself
32:05 What irritates me about this is that people use the most shallow, bullshit reasons to speculate on idols' sexuality. And then, to add insult to injury, they talk about it on social media where the idols, themselves, (or worse; homophobic trolls) can see it.
I am a proud, card carrying member of the LGBT collective, but I would be insulted beyond belief if someone thought so because I liked girl groups and was partial to cute concepts. I don't think there's anything wrong with thinking idols might not be straight (I've always found it amusing that it's ~assuming~ an idol's sexuality when someone says as much but people talk about idols as if they're straight all the time; wouldn't that also count as ~assuming~ their sexuality?!) but if that shit is why, pls do me (and every other LGBT fan) a favor and delete your account.
you're lgbt but would be offended if someone assumed you're lgbt?
Like I told someone in a comment, it is no ones business what you are or who you like. Being labelled as something you might not even be or aren’t even sure of is horrible and it’s not our business to be speculating about this stuff, especially on a public platform that is available for ANYONE to see
Right, people shouldn't be s3xu8l1zing these idols anyway, gay, straight or anything else, it's not their business and doing so isn't helping anything. Just let them be and if they talk about it, great, if not, it's no one's place to be talking about that anyway.
OH MY GOD I SCREAMED SEEING THIS POP UP
It's so weird seeing somebody talk about events that I had to live through as a Together since debut. The term "internal policy changes" still triggers my fight or flight response. The day that everything changed from TOO era to TO1 was so scary; I remember checked their socials before 11am in my timezone and everything seemed fine and then soon boom... I got a bunch of notifications talking about TO1 this and TO1 that it felt so scary and unreal.
Some clarifications from my perspective as a long-time Gether:
- It's important to note that Woonggi's sudden hiatus was likely suddenly caused by the flood of hateful (and largely homophobic) comments he was receiving at the time. He posted a long thread of photos on Christmas and in one of the photosets he's on some stairs and the second photo was what _really_ set some people off. You'll know what I mean when you see it. The thread is still up btw.
- Chihoon's departure was super sudden and the only theory I have was that he mentioned Woonggi once during a vlive while the boys were playing a game and the room got pretty silent. I coulda sworn that I saw Jaeyun looking behind the camera at somebody. After that vlive Chihoon fell totally silent on all socials for an entire month, including Bubble, which he was one of the most active members on.
- WakeOne made a birthday post for Woonggi and not one for Chihoon despite their birthdays being only days apart (Woonggi on April 23rd vs Chihoon on April 27th) which was the biggest sign that Chihoon wasn't coming back at that point.
- "to1 gay" arose as a sorta argument Gethers are having amongst ourselves, especially due to one Twitter user's comments, specifically something about a "boyfriend material" image or whatever (I didn't read the thread entirely because I skip over stuff like this and just wanna live on peacefully but I'm sure if you search for it it'll come up). Some LGBT+ Gethers argue that gay should not be treated as an insult and something negative to be associated with and while I personally agree with that I also agree that we literally cannot assume anything about anyone's sexualities or gender identities and that is that. TO1 gay and especially the Woonggi gay agenda have been going on for a while now and is something that we just have to live with.
(More of a side note here) People took to the new members surprisingly well, actually; most surprising to me is the amount of people already biasing Yeojeong. I personally am not that comfortable with the idea of the new members yet but hopefully with the coming era that changes; I'm not unwilling to love them and learn about them more. But I still really don't get how people can bias him so comfortably when we barely just learnt that his surname is "Jeon" 🫠
Btw when WakeOne says a "more mature" concept i don't think it means mature as in "adult" but just a phrase as to say they've gone through even more "growth" as a group.
And finally, most importantly, PLEASE support their comeback on the 28th!!! We've been through so much, the least you can do is check it out 🫶🏾 Thank yaaaaa~~
though i do support ur a really strong follower of to1, how can you say that the new concept really means growth as a group, when they just cut off about a third of it
where are those pictures of him posted?
These boys have been on a roller coaster ever since their debut. I feel so bad for them, they had so much potential if only the right people handled them, they could have thrived. They lost all of their rights to all of their older songs, was in between a merger and company conflict. NCH was the only company that actually cared for them.
Well some of them did get re recorded on the their 1st album as TO1
Oh yeah F’real
If they still had them Nature probably would’ve had to not go through as much as them
They really fucked up with letting the four members go. Let's be honest
Chihoon: a genius producer, song writer, composer, main rapper. He doesn't lack anything,like even his dance is good enough, he's obviously very handsome.
Jerome: they could've hit the jackpot with that boy, very tall with a perfect face, the most handsome member (with j.you) he could be an actor and that would blow TO1s popularity (like ASTRO with Eunwoo), not to talk about his singing & dancing
Woonggi: the icon, BEST DANCER, BEST VOCALIST, one of the most famous and loved memebers, another one who can give so much popularity to the grp.
Minsu: Voice, visual, dancer, cuteness, he doesn't lack in anything as well.
I don't hate the new members,tbh I don't even know them yet, congratulations to them for debuting too ofc.
But wake one really ruined it all.
I really hope TO1 to he successful after all the changes they've been thro, I really don't want them to disband.
And I hope the other 4 memebrs debut soon in another grp
as someone who stanned them during rtk and been with them for some time, i just knew one of these days you would cover them esp concerning the history and changeups they had. its really gotten to the point now where i honestly feel so disconnected with the group esp with this latest changup because i really liked minsu and although i still have biases in the group, it just doesnt feel the same to me anymore. maybe i might still be a together but i honestly wont be surprised if i unstan soon. i'll always support all the members including the new ones and keep following them but idk if i have it in me to keep going through stuff like this and keep being a dedicated together
I also feel disconnected. I’m a newer stan, but I already got attached to the personalities and talents of the old members… How do they expect me to stan these random people that I don’t even know? Especially when it feels as if they replaced the older members and the members were just trash to be thrown away. I want to be excited for the new comeback and like the new members, but I can’t 😕 I don’t know them and Wakeone isn’t even doing anything to introduce them to us, no content no nothing.
I feel mad at the fandom too because the new Japanese members are getting 5-6x the likes of the old members. It makes me scared that the old members will be forgotten or something like that.
@@kaylaa660 im just glad im not alone in feeling the same! like you said, it just felt like, to wakeone, the members are disposable and can be replaced with new members if they dont fit the image they want for them. and it hurts esp as minsu, jerome, and woonggi have shown even from debut that they can easily fit darker concepts. i want to like the new members, and i do obviously, but i barely know them. i didn't watch produce so i don't even know the japanese members. i don't know their talents or personalities (im sure they are talented but i just wish we had a live with them or a recent cover video to show them off) and tbf the jpn members im sure have their produce fanbase that followed over so that might explain the likes but yeah it makes me worried too. ik we're doing our best to accept this and try to move on, but for me, it's hard to, esp as an older together than went through a good amount of their history
Is this the group that did the Rising Sun cover on Road to Kingdom?
@@crelgen1588 yes :)
@@mmello_jello They were really good! I remember people at the time being stunned that they were only rookies!
Such a shame these groups with so much potential always get squandered by these incompetent agencies:(
Stanned TO1 since debut with the name of TOO, felts I could not Stan anymore because my bias was left for unknown reason. I can't believe their journey went through how bad like this. I didn't know why W1 removed the three feminine members were they actually fits the concept TO1. And also I didn't know what happened to Chihoon being left. Yet, I'm still supporting this group until the end
I hope the company didn't kick them out of the group just so they could go with a more "mature" concept and the ones who "left" didn't fit that, when TOO literally debuted with a "mature" and "masculine" ahh concept, It.does.not.make.sense.
It really doesn’t!
Magnolia was very mature concept. The company don't know what they're doing
I can tell u I also thought Chihoon was forced to leave after “mentioning Woongi” during a Vlive. Therefore he was probably forced to leave the company beside the other reason and look unlike the other members leaving he left he didn’t have a written farewell letter!! Shows you how their career has not gone well due to the current Situations.
Whoa WTF Woongi left? Then Chihoon too. Omg. I can’t even
@@anyone1111 no It was around his “Hiatus”
@@anyone1111 did u even watch the video lol. It was announced Chihoon left then Woongi Jerome and Minsu
they are having a comeback july 28th!! please support the original members as well as the new members!! 🫶🏻
Finally!!! I’ve been waiting on this!!! I really feel terrible for them and Kep1er!!
This group has gone through the ringer I feel so bad for them but I’m always going to support them
I feel really bad for all the members. I hope Jaeyun isnt doubting himself as a leader because he isnt lacking in any way, its just WakeOne being stupid. Jerome’s departure in particular shocked me the most because he was always the member who seemed to be the most enthusiastic about the group. The team identity thing is BS. The three of them fit perfectly with the group.
Jaeyun is my ult ult bias and Jerome and Minsu were my bias wreckers so I was so torn on whether I should keep supporting them but I decided that I would be open minded. I love Jaeyun and the other members TOO much to leave them. It’s hard to support them when I don’t want to support such a horrible company 😭
Count 1! 2! Was probably the best concept they had for a comeback yet because it fit perfectly best for their feminine members especially Woongi!! Such a shame Wake One threw them out 🤦♀️ (just to “change their group image”) Wake One really needs to wake up at this point I’m sick and tired of how they’ve treated their artists.
What I think is funny they’ve had more K Con performances than comebacks
Yes
Nooo but like actually I was watching Edward Avillas video with TO1 to make sure I was thinking of the correct members and the first thing that truck me while looking at the members that left... all of them were the more feminine/cute members.
They will have a hard time getting fans... now that Woongi is gone. Like I'm not even a boy group stan and I still adored him
Bro right. Woongi was my bias and now I’m like… why would they do that to those members. Wtf.
I literally just watched some of those videos too and Woongi was literally the one who stood out the most as the one with the most sass and personality. I don’t get why he was removed…
Im glad you made video about them but i'm just unable to watch it, im still in such pain after woonggi, jerome and minsu departue, especialy woonggi, he means world to me, i got into so many nugu ggs thanks to him and i just cant even think of to1 but i'm still happy you made vid abt them they deserve it
I feel extremely bad for them they're still TO1 but with the new members it feels like a 3rd debut for them I don't stand TO1 and the fandom doesn't seem like the type to harass people (I hope not) so I hope the new members don't get hate for something they had no say or control over. I hope after this comeback things start to become a lot more stable for them because at this rate I don't know how much TO1 can take before the company says screw it and disbands them.
Idk why but I think wakeshit is gonna try sending the 3 members that left to boys planets or maybe the 3 members that they just add to to1. Im pretty sure they would send anyone to that program. As a kep1ian I feel so sorry for to1, that shitty company doesn’t deserve the artists they have.
Yeah and I’m sick of how Kep1er has gotten treated also. That’s why I’m happy they’re temporary so they don’t have to suffer in that company forever.
now that u put it in the room i can feel woonggi, jerome and minsu joining boys planet.. idk what else they would plan with them rn, just pulling them out of to1 for a new group, .. it just doesnt make sense to me but wakeone sending them to a survival show? seems like smth they would do
You really predicted the future 💀 please support Woongi on boys planet y'all!
I have to say the companies fighting over them reminds me of the Pledis and Fantagio incident with HelloVenus 🤦♀️
33:20 I agree 100%, like I looked their ytb channel and they didn't even upload smt since 3 months ??? Like the new members didn't get to show their rap and singing, they didn't even have an introduction video, I feel like the agency choose them just to choose new members without paying much attention
When they announced new members I was shocked because Daigo and Renta were 2 faves from produce 101 Japan season 2 and I was expecting them to debut in Jpop groups not a Kpop group that was already established. Plus the very controversial way of them going into TO1 after 4 members leaving that kinda feels like a black cloud was put over them because it’s too soon. I don’t know what the future will be like for this group but I just can’t feel optimistic about it right now. I want them ALL to succeed, this whole mess hurts my heart.
Yeo Jung is also the new Maknae as he’s an 05 liner. Funny how they threw in a new member Younger than Woongi who was born in 2002.
woonggi was born 2002 , but i agree with your point … :”
@@dinonara.fanboi oh yeah whoops 😅 now I remember him being an 02 liner thanks for reminding me ☺️
@@gwenmloveskpopandmore ohh it’s okay , no problem : )
@@dinonara.fanboi 😊👍❤️
Yesss thank you for covering!
I was following them since debut, because I’m a leaf (nature stan) haha
But dang just hearing you recap their history showed how they were always in turmoil. I hope that the members(old and new and former) could get a fair shot at fame. 💚
UPDATE: Woongi and Jerome are participants in upcoming survival show Boys Planet 999, alongside other Wakeone trainees
when i discovered TOO through rtk they immediately captured my heart, i was so amazed by all their talent and personalities, each member was so unique and could easily be an ace if they were in seperates groups,, they had so much potencial and i was looking foward to their future so much
i don't know if with all these changes TO1 will feel the same to me, it's sad to say but i had such a big attachment to all the 10 members that this just doesn't feel like TOO/TO1 anymore
i'll support the best i can the rest of the members but yeah i just feel so heartbroken with everything, they had everything to succeed if it wasn't for that company
OMG SEEING a video on a group I LOVE is not a great feeling at all. I mean all these groups truly going through it. Then seeing a group I definitely listen to a lot. Dang.
Thank you as always for updating us. I’m sure it may be a lot mentally to have to go through all this research and such. And also the amount of work. Thank you so much! We all really appreciate it and you💖
i met this group yesterday and i did not even imagine all the shit and mistreatment and shit that they went through. now i just want to stay by their side and save them from their company, no joking.
thank you so much for all the info, it is really helpful. i hope things became more stable now.
sorry if i made a mistake, english its not my first language and sometimes i mess up.
Oh it's very odd for a very freshly debuted group to go on RTK indeed! It happened again this year with Kep1er on Queendom, but at least Kep1er had a tiny bit more time in the industry than TOO (and since both programs were from MNET it makes more sense too)
I got into the CJ E&M rabbit hole on Wikipedia, and they are MASSIVE. When you said "one of the biggest entertainment companies in Korea, I wasn't expecting they are "we own Mnet and TVN" big, or that they own production companies that make some of the most popular dramas ever. They are quite literally EVERYWHERE.
Happy 1 year to this vid 🥺❤️ unfortunately it’s only a matter of time TO1 will disband it could be any day now but I have a feeling it’ll be sometime this year. I’m glad the former members were finally able to leave WakeOne though.
they did
@@brbrbrbrbrbrbrbr199 yep I knew it’d come
@@gwenmloveskpopandmore wakeone straight up trash on them for 3 years🙂 fuck wakeone
they really remind me Seventeen, it's sad because this group really have potential
Yeah and it hurts seeing them being mistreated and going through so much
Genuinely asking, but how do they remind you of Seventeen? Is it because they are a large group?
Come on everyone!! Let’s break TO1 out of Wake One!!!
Yes and Kep1er!!!
and burn wakeone down !!!
And also Jo Yuri!!!!
I've wanted to stan TO1 for so long,but every time they do something that makes me wanna stan them it is followed by bad news. I will support them in this comeback,but I genuinely don't want them in that company. It's the same thing for Kep1er. I know that they are better than in a nugu company, but at the same time it's pretty obvious shitty things are happening behind curtains.
true, true. i hope that you can still enjoy their music, though! i'm open to welcoming in any new gethers and clearing any confusion if you have any
With Chihoon, Woongi, Minsu and Jerome all gone, To1 won’t be the same. Hope the new lineup do well but it’s very unfortunate that all this happened…
3:37 the reason TOO went to rtk is because they were collaboring with mnet, their survival aired on mnet so yeah, that's pretty much the same for kep1er and queendom
Yesss I’m glad someone finally made a video about this, it has been stressing me out. Thank you !! 💜
the comeback was fine and i liked the album, but i feel like i cant really 'stan' this group anymore and would probably consider myself a casual fan now.
they've been ot10 for almost 3 years since world klass, and now suddenly the group dynamics are are different, and even though this is their most commercially successful comeback, it still feels kinda lackluster? other than the 4 members leaving, something feels empty and different.
Out of topic but did you see the news about the next post Good Day groups ? I love the determination of these girls. Especially my girl Jiwon who is already in her 3rd stage name.Preparing myself to pour out all the money on Cignature,IRRIS and ALDL .
I did ! I might need to make an update video because so much has happened
@@jihoonscarat yeah
As a Minsu stan, I am sad that he left the group. Idk what really is happening behind the camera but they just went to Kcon a few months ago and after a month they released a statement that Minsu, Woonggi and Jerome will leave the group.
They kicked out their feminine members just because they “don’t fit the image they want for the group”
What makes me so upset is then they were formed under a survival show. People voted for each individual member, so what right do they have adding people WHO ARENT EVEN FROM THE SAME SHOW? This just destroys the purpose of survival shows in the first place. Even if you take out members, it's not necessary to add new ones.
Something else I noticed too is that they tended to make the songs they cover more masculine (the i cant stop me cover is a great example). It makes me wonder how masculine theyre trying to make this group look. Taking out one of your most popular members? Yeah, great way to make money.
They have so much potential I’m just hope that they don’t disband after this comeback because most groups from small companies disband because they didn’t become popular ☹️
Yes me too but I actually want them to disband and/or rebrand and stuff so they can get of this mess!! I mean look at what the group has gone through all these years!! They shouldn’t be in this company anymore!
@@gwenmloveskpopandmore true I just wish that they will move to another company like fromis_9 did
@@jihoonvx9195 me too
take a shot every time jihoon says "Hello, this is WAKEONE"
literally every gethers worst nightmare
@@DaeguYunie or anyone who stans a kpop group **cough**
Since their last cb re:alize all we’ve been given is the update about the four members leaving the group. Then f*ck all leading up their next cb. It literally came out of NOWHERE and we were not informed about the three new members joining the group beforehand. I REALLY WANT THE ORIGINAL TO LEAVE THE COMPANY AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE ALTOGETHER THAT WILL TREAT THEM SO MUCH BETTER!
2/3 members were from Produce 101 Japan
Yes me too or they should just disband the group all together
thank you so so much for covering this. as a long time fan of the group i’m glad this is finally getting attention
In other words, even doe Too or To1 were under three different companies they still didn't or couldn't get the proper management they needed for their careers
TO1 was already great. The line up was already great and perfect. T.T
This is what i personally feel: I feel like they just broke my happiness into pieces😢, there is only so much a person can take😭😭
I don't think they kicked out those three members because of their looks or personality but because they may have disagreed with the new changes. For example, Woongi was a very extroverted spokesman and maybe the other members were too. The group already had a hard time trying to made it to the final lineup later on losing its original name and rights then going into hiatus and now having to "change" concept once again?
They just lost one of their new members. Renta left on Sept.22,2023. His departure was unusual as well. I don't believe that I have ever seen such constant member chaos in a group before. Management needs to get it together and either handle this group properly or dissolve all contracts and let them go. They are sitting on a gold mine of talent and are letting them rot for inactivity. Sad.
I have an interesting perspective on the matter! I've never really known too much of TO1 but I do follow the Japan side of things in the industry and I was (worried admittedly) but excited to see Renta and Daigo pop up after disappearing to Korea after PD101 JapanS2. They're both sweethearts and hardworking and I look forward to getting into TO1 or at least checking them out now. It sounds weird, but I think it'll be good exposure for the group into the Japanese market and it'll bring more attention and fans to TO1 in wake of all the changes that have occurred. While I can't bring back old members, I offer a sliver of optimism in that the change might be a "blank canvas, fresh paint" kind of thing and myself as a new fan to get to know these talented guys and their antics! Stay strong for the members still left, and try to welcome the new guys with warm hearts-- it won't fix things but it might make the bandaid prettier while the wound heals. TO1, fighting!
some1 in Wake1 is a homophobe fr for kicking out TOOwice like that
nah but i was so sad when i heard and found out that they were leaving the group, they fit the concept perfectly well, dont deserve any hate and shouldnt have felt forced to leave the group etc theyve been thru sm shit together as a group since a debut and it makes me sad to see them go but as a toogether i'll still support T01!!!
Most boy bands (whether Korean or not) aren’t seen as masculine to the GP in general, so it’s interesting that they’re out here removing the most feminine members when that’s not really a problem for their target fanbase. Seems like a combo of a vocal minority + all the usual issues that arise when a company is trying to engineer success vs. having it happen organically
CJE&M literally own everything thing in korea! They even sell their food products in Walmart where I live in the US
first of all, I literally command u for making a 30 minute video with all the editing and the voiceovers and even the eng sub
Omg what ?? I've been so away from kpop, they're one of the groups that to me produces some of the best songs ever, like you have to listen to their albums I love them so much I used to watch all their contents from debut and I didn't know all these were happening
NOOOO I LOVED CHI HOONS VOICE
I love to see you improve with every video. 💜 Keep up the good work & thank you for all of your efforts.
I fell in love with them as soon as they debuted as TOO, Chihoon was my bias and him leaving made me lose interest in the group honestly, I still follow their content and progress but learning about Jerome, Woonggi and Minsu's leaving it just made it so hard :(
I don't hate the new members but i'm really upset about it, I don't like how they are just replacing the others
Yeah I mean it’s stupid they replaced their feminine members just to make the group more “masculine or adult” or something like-
@@gwenmloveskpopandmore siognesigs I didn't even think of it that way- they lost gems >:(
@@iknowwatermelonGyu yeah but I hope the 3 we lost can leave the company like Chihoon and as well as the other guys
@@gwenmloveskpopandmore I hope too :(( I miss TOO snif they deserved better
@@iknowwatermelonGyu yeah and TO1 season 1
no hate but jerome and woonggi literally were a few of the main reasons why to1 was getting a lot of attention
Ah yes I’ve had Sweet Chili 🌶 ramen 🍜 from CJ foods lol and it’s crazy and unbelievable how many companies they one
I hope you’re also worried about the girl group Favorite, because I am. It’s been nearly 3 years since their last comeback and I wouldn’t want them breaking up immediately
Actually it’s been 2 years (March 2020) but Lie didn’t get much attention compared to Loca
I actually feel like they silently disbanded because of Covid
If you look at Favorite‘s KPop wiki page I think they’re still together but not in the spotlight as much lately
@@henrybanchieri8305 yeah they (the company) probably can’t afford to give them a comeback due to financial issues they might’ve had because of Covid or they just don’t want to say anything
And mind you, Wikipedia also says they’re still together and their most recent song was “Lie” in 2020
so much bull originates from cj enm it's unreal
They're going to disband december 31 this year.
You did a really great job on this, as usual, very thorough and great research. I hate that this might be needed, but I wonder if you might consider a future video on Thai kpop soloist Natty? 3 days ago, without any explanation, it was quietly announced she signed to S2 Entertainment, though she was signed to SWING Entertainment for 2 years but hadn't had any activities since November 2020 and her 2nd single "Teddy Bear" (many of us thought the break had to do with C()V!D though). She had announced her fandom name and said on her RUclips channel that she was going to be doing a lot more social media but that was basically her last video and we have heard nothing from anywhere her for over 18 months :/ She was on SIXTEEN (the show that made TWICE) and beat Momo but JYP decided she was too young (she was 14? at the time) and on Idol School (and likely got rigged out, as she was ranked #1 for several weeks and then suddenly stopped getting screen time and her ranking plummeted). We're very confused and worried :/
woonggi i will avenge you
Such a great video...
The group had a pretty rocky road so far... I hope things get petter for them and that Chihoon, Woonggi, Jerome and Minsu will become successful without TO1.
I had the same feeling about the three leaving the group as what you mentioned. They are more feminine... but in TO1s performances, they still always nailed the concepts... even if those were more masculine and tough! I am sad that the three are no longer part of TO1.
But may I ask, what is wrong about the assumption that they are probably gay? I am really curious because I don't understand why this is rude.
I mean... being gay is nothing bad... being gay or whatever sexual/romatic orientation you have, isn't something bad or something that needs to be hidden!
Again thank you for this great video.
omg i cant believe i watched that i cant stop me cover that they did and they were actually going through this the entire time i didnt even know
Woonggi and Jerome are on Boys Planet right now! Please support them!
i hope they r all okay mentally 😕
The one about the 3 "femenine" members seems a strong reason also because woongi was being cyberbullied for it and he was put in a hiatus once
It was just announced Japanese member Renta will be leaving the group and bruh only a year in the group. W1 really needs to disband them at this point. The group is ruined at this point.
i was waitng for this! tyy
i never followed them paticularly closely and i only have like one mutual who does but from what i've seen woonggi was definitely a moneymaker. from a business standpoint at least it seems ridiculous to kick him out because if you have nugu bg mutuals you've definitely heard of woonggi!
as much as daigo and renta can help bring them into the japanese market, i wouldn't be surprised if a lot of togethers start feeling disconnected from to1 as a whole and drop off them.
obviously i wish the best for all of them but removing three of the most popular members is never ideal.
i can't believe they got rid of half of the members. to1 was incredibly perfect together, their chemistry was unmatched, and they were all comfortable with each other. with enough promotion the og lineup would've blown up soon enough. i hate wakeone.
I'm hearing from other people "to boost them" REPLACING THEM WITH PEOPLE IN THEIR PLACE IS NOT GONNA BOOST THEM AT ALL
I’ve been a Jerome bias since day 1 and just found out about the new lineup and our ICONIC trio leaving. Honestly I hope that those three debut together but I know the Jerome hinted at becoming a solo artist which I think would be really good for him. At this point though it’s not even TO1 this is TO2 now 😭😭😭😭
TO1 Season 2
This is what I will never understand…and that’s how homophobes and/or people with toxic masculinity are SO obsessed with other peoples sexual preference and mannerisms. As a gay guy myself, I don’t focus on members like those three and their sexuality. I just love and focus on how they’re very expressive and talented. It’s like being feminine in society has been so demonized when there are literal straight men out there that are comfortable in their sexuality, that are very feminine and aren’t afraid to express themselves… it doesn’t matter what they are! Their femininity and joyful selves are what make them and the group shine!
yay a new video!!
28:15 IOI wasn't under Studio Blu when they were active (2016-2017), they were under YMC Entertainment which wasn't related to CJ&EM, Studio Blu was gonna manage IOI's 2019 comeback reunion but that was cancelled thanks to the Produce Vote rigging scandal so the members probably never got far enough like to sign with them.
Wanna One during their first year was also managed by YMC before transferring to Swing.
i just want the guys to leave cj and make a proper statement towards why did woonggi, sungmin and minsu left, bc i dont believe the "more mature image" thing. sungmin was one of the main visuals and brought attention, woonggi did so too bc of his amazing personality and most of the fandom felt connected towards minsu's shyness. plus, the group in general felt like they had a geniune and pure friendship and connection between the 10 (9 at the time) of them. i understand chihoon leaving bc he never even wanted to be a full on idol, and i love the music he's been uploading lately on souncloud (as ian). my ult bias is kyungho and I'm glad he didn't leave, but i just don't feel happy at all even with the cb they'll be having this week.
i just hope they're doing well, it must be horrible going through all of that in just 2 years
minsu seemed kind of low energy for the past couple months, not sure about jerome though. woonggi might have been suffering from the hate comments and after someone tried to accuse him of bullying. someone else said that mnet might be sending them to boys planet
love ur vids! u should do a video about onlyoneof !
I got to see them as WK at la kcon. Honestly I'm kinda sad it got to this point as they are my ults. A lot of things happened to them
Actually I'm a fan of TOO i am really sad about their group.. i hope they are all okay after what happenef
TO1 had me following them after I heard their cover Someday by OneRepublic and since then I have loved their music and personalities and right not they are getting hit left and right with setbacks and I hope they aren’t to stressed because this is a lot. One thing I really hate is it seems stone entertainment has everything to treat the idols they had/have well and take them far and it just seems they are choosing not to like they really should have let the other company help with the boys because stone is failing them. And yes some of the boys were feminine however they did well when they had a masculine concept so if they were kicked for that reason that’s another failure on stone.
First, so excited to watch the vid luv u
Thank you for watching! I hope you enjoy
TOO FOREVER
i’m still upset cj deleted all the too content on the channel since n.ch made all the vlogs/ shows and content 😭
you can still find the TOO videos in some playlists since the videos are unlisted and not deleted, thats how i watched them lol
makes me wonder about all the groups who might not be signed with a label under CJENM, but have a distribution deal through stone entertainment.
just saw the comeback and bi/tch what made wake one remove toowice for "group identity" this is literally a bright concept hello?? they just wanna ruin everything thats what
too/to1 are one of my ults and it just hurts so bad :))
Plus, the new members barely got an impact on it. I casually watched a line distribution and... unless it contains blatant mistakes, Renta, Yeojeong and Daigo all stand in the bottom 3 with less than 10s worth of lines (along with OG member Jisu). Also, it also looked like Renta and Yeojeong had little to no solo screen time, or maybe it's just me. Shouldn't you make an effort to showcase new members' skills adequately?
the continuity is dead... like this isnt a mature concept LMAO its so dumb at this point im conviced theyre just trying to kill TO1 bc i took a peek at the sales and its not looking too hot there either which SUCKS cuz the choreo and song go hard
@@basma7806 while their sales did improve, I didn't see a BOOST
@@basma7806 - the particular phrase use in the statement doesn't necessarily mean "mature" as in "adult" or sexualized but "mature" as in "they've done more growing as a group". as for sales, we're still barely a week past why not??'s release and in the first week the album has been selling pretty well + they're charting more than they've done before.
and now zb1 is under wakeone 😭😭😭 god help us
It makes my blood boil knowing that they kicked the three more feminine members out for a more mature concept when they fit that concept. My ult bias was Woonggi and I just hope him and the other members will debut in another group or maybe even go solo.
To be fair, Kprofiles isn’t the most accurate source for member popularity; and member popularity is hard to measure anyways. Plus, Daigo, Renta, and Yeojeong are still super new to the team - we haven’t even heard any of them sing or rap yet so people biasing them is going to be rare right now. And all of the original members have had those bias votes accumulating over 2 years vs the new members only getting votes for about a month.
I’m upset about these changes too but at the end of the day there’s nothing that we can do. Personally, I’m still going to support them no matter what.
@@DaeguYunie Dont get me wrong I like the new members and I understand that its pretty unfair that I used votes thats been going on for 2 years+ now and how the new members just joined the group but I just wished they had a better reason for kicking them out. Dont take it as I hate the group now because I still stan them and I'll support them on their journey no matter what.
@@zakari6087 - That's good to hear! It's devastating that TOOwice + Chihoon aren't here anymore but we'll support them for a better future as much as we can :)
@@DaeguYunie PERIOD!