Here's How the Lexus ISF Is Better(And Worse) Than a BMW M3
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
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Despite that these cars look similar on paper, the M3 and ISF offer different advantages and disadvantages over each other. On this episode I cover exactly what makes them each unique, and what you can expected to experience if you own one.
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Honestly, you can't not talk about reliability. If your car is going to spend 60% of the time in the shop or leaves you stranded 400 miles from home, you're not going to enjoy it much.
Cough cough sounds like a bmw
Right on.
You are speaking on bmw’s right? Lol
Sounds like my Z06
@TRUTH HURTS um who is winning all major racing in the world Today except for F1? Toyota will enter F1 in the not to distant future and take the crown from german and Italian manufacturers in that discipline also!! These are just facts ! Truth hurts 😆😅🤣
There was an ISF on the lexus forums with 340k miles that a guy bought for 8k.
I sold my 2001 Honda S2000 for $7100 with original stock clutch that had 220k miles back in 2018
@@madsupervilian. my s2000 has 80k miles I've been thinking of selling it to buy a Lexus isF but I just can't bring myself to doing that. Rather have both , hard to find a Lexus isF 2010 + for a good price and well kept in my area.
Believe Inyourself there are e39 m5 with 5.0 V8 that have 400k miles still running strong.
I saw an 08 ISF with around 286K miles that was selling for 5K, it was gone the next day
About AU $40000 at best now in Australia for an 08 in decent condition 😖
Now only 4406 ISF's on the road in North America according to the DMV. These cars are extremely special. Definitely upgrade the steering ECU, wider tires on the front (chassis loves a square setup), and upgrade the control arm bushings. Those mods will yield dramatic results. Thanks for making ISF vids as there isn't many on RUclips and looking forward to seeing what you do with it!
People are now starting to notice the potential of the ISF (2008 - 2014) I have been a fan of the ISF since 2008.
moe malik even the is250 is able put down 300+ whp because these cars came with forged internals (except the piston itself but those are still really good).
Same here! Always been a huge fan and I'm always looking for used isf's... one day!
I love my ISF
I have disrespected the Lexus and F badge until my buddy let me get behind his gsf. Lexus has my respect now.
Tai Nguyen nobody really knows that much about them due to the scarcity F production cars. Love my F
For all the short comings for the ISF, they can be modded for improvement. Unfortunately, there’s no reliability mod for the M3 lol
I saw one for sale and asked the salesman do you think they are reliable. He couldn't even lie. He said I have a nice Lexus IS over here :lol:.
I have ISF now and used to own e90 M3... there is also no mod for ISF to have 8400 redline which I miss.
@@chanhyung88 An rr tune will help a little.
@@Marcos-ll5fs i have it and yes car is fast and fun but it's not as sharp as the M3 still. But I'm not complaining each car has its strength.
I couldn't even consider any car knowing it will lunch it's engine. Not "if" but "when". That is inexcusable.
For the steering feel, you can upgraded with the usrs bushing from rr-racing or figs. They make a difference you can feel and they stop the interior tire use.
I have the RRRacing Steering Bushings in my ISF. Night & day difference
This is very true. This is highly recommended!
Haha you beat me to it. I have a 2010 Lexus IS350, I added F-Sport Sway bars, RR Racing LCA Polyurethane bushings, and a Steering ECU from a 2010 ISF! It made a huge difference in steering, handling etc. On this note, if you upgrade your Sway bars, make sure you also change your End Links! I started to get rattling noises, but changing the End Links fixed it
@@asifalimirza what sway bar links did you go for ?
@@PResmejor I just used the stock End Links I picked up from the Lexus dealer. I tried an aftermarket end link from MOOG but it didn't fit properly
Actually 11k were made world wide 5100 ISF were sent to United States a total of 60k plus M3E90, E92 and E93 were built world wide with 25k sent to USA. It took about 7 yr for after market to catch up. You can find just about everything you need now from suspensions from companies such as BC, Tein, KWV3, OHLINS, Penske, Airlift etc. Headers and exhaust from several companies from PPE, Sikky, Meisterschaft, Novel, Greddy, HKS, etc. You are correct regarding Steering feel. It's easy cheap and fast to cure. Get set 90 durometer urethane LCA bushings Figs engineering, it sounds high 90 but for ISF with that big 5.0 90degree V8 up front you need it. The Figs LCA are more street focused and very forgiving. If you like to track your car and have good road conditions go with 95 durometer RR Racing LCA are more track focused, but both turn driving feed back around from night to day difference. It also cures problem with OEM LCA with it inner tire wear, since they are rubber bushing filled with fluid that allows for too much deflection under heavy load especially under breaking which causes premature inner tire wear. They both cost around $350 mark, this instantly transformes steering feel to that of m3. I've had both LCA in my ISF so I can attest to the driving characteristics. Tons of body kits and carbon fiber parts hoods, wings, sideskirts, front spoiler rear spoilers and diffuser from som top notch companies like Tom's, and Novel just to name few. Rims Galore with off sets down from 25 all the way up to 55 light weight or stance. One downside, there is only one reputable tuner for ISF and all Lexus in general and that's RR Racing they basically developed first tune and superchargers for ISF, RC F, GSF, IS350 and IS 250s. Top tier Supercharger kit for ISF gets you 780hp RCF 820hp. These kits have been around for few years and are pretty reliable. There was ISF running 725hp that ran Mojave mile from standing start 0 to 191.1mph faster then several stock $250 to $350k supercars. There plenty of info out there on forums such as Clublexus, Lexus Enthusiast, Lexus Facebook club, and few others. ISF owners tend to hold onto there cars for long periods of time, much longer than your average M3 owner. In last few years ISF have started to attract somewhat of a small cult-like following. And of 3 cars from time it was produced from 2008 to 2014 with E90 M3's and C63 AMG being its biggest rival the ISF has highest resale value of all of them. Second is M3 with C63AMG coming in last I've seen them from $12k to $14k on low end. I've owed my 2011 ISF since it was brand new when I purchased it back in Nov of 2010. It's been rock solid DD for 7yrs has 104k Miles on it. Has been FBO for 9yrs with Tune and Tuned intake from RR Racing being add few yrs ago, Airlift 3H performance suspension. As well as other parts this car by far has been just joy to own and my favorite car and I've been driving for over 30yrs. It can be tracked and driven home or you can DD with know problem its jack of all trades and if you want make it a master of one that can be done easily.
What’s “LCA” lower control arms?
@@carloscrod_ yes Lower Control Arm if you primarily drive in street go with Figs Engineering, great road feed back no more inner tire wear and pretty comfortable. RR Racing are more aggressive fantastic road feed back but at cost of increase NVH in plain English a harsher ride unless you live in area white great smooth roads.👍
I have an is250 with a manual and they only made roughly 3500 of them
FSXflyermaster how do you like driving the IS250 manual found one in my area with 90k miles for pretty good price , thinking about getting it I have 07 Lexus IS350 but I want to drive manual Lexus just wondering thanks
Cookie Money556 test drive it first to see how you like it. It’s more of a cruiser than a racer and can’t bang through the gears like you can with a Honda. You need to take your time with your shifts. It’s a fun car in the rain bc of the rwd and controllable. The only downside to these cars is the clutch/flywheel are expensive to replace (just ordered mine and each one costed $600-700). I’m going from a dual mass flywheel to a solid lightwheel flywheel since people on clublexus says it makes the car ridiculously more fun to drive.
Upgrade the bushings and it'll feel alot better in steering response.
Still Can NEVER be same with A BMW. It's their Trade Secret.
@@oloruntosinkinyomi9562 I can't disagree 🤷🏼♂️
@@oloruntosinkinyomi9562 yep will never be as unreliable as a BMW
@@SNORKYMEDIA have You Ever Owned a BMW?... I Have Owned Both Brands, I will Choose A Better Performing Car Over a Piece of Family Car. You Only Live Once
Glad you're enjoying it. Fun to see someone drive the same roads. I really do miss my ISF and this isn't helping ha
Yamaha and Lexus/Toyota collab are so much fun. I have a 2006 corolla XRS another platform where Yamaha came in to help with the valves. Some fun cars
Hey Kurt, nice job! I've got the Joe Z exhaust plus headers and a few other local guys have different setups in case you want to hear them. On steering feel, swapping out the LCA bushings (RR or Figs) helps along with wider tires. I find the steering feel is improved on the street and the track.
I'm so happy that this popped up in my feed. I really like how you compare both vehicles (pros and cons) and are straight to the point. I honestly thought that this car was forgotten about. I always wanted this car since I was in high school (I'm 29 now), and now that I am financially stabled, trying to find a good IS F for sale is like Jonah Hill's weight loss; it's taking a long time.
I have a 2011 ISF for sale at the moment. But, I’m located in Las Vegas Nevada. The F community here isn’t that big here.
Had an IS250 SR with 250k on the clock,I was shocked how well was driving,sold it as I needed some money and now I regret doing that. Really happy for you and your ISF,maybe I will be able to afford one in the future. Take care!
nice video. How would you compare lexus to lancer evo in terms of road noise, ride comfort, steering feel and predictability?
I've had my ISF for 8 years. Love the car. I tracked it extensively. I stopped tracking it when I bought an e36 M3 NASA GTS2 race car. He's right about the steering in the F. It's numb. I just can't get rid of it because it's very rare. Ill probably keep mine forever. I also have an e46 330ci that the steering feel is way better than the F.
I own the is250 w/manual and it’s really hard to justify getting rid of it.
Upgrade your bushings on the F and you'll feel a big difference in the steering feel
@@PResmejor I already have bushings to put on. Just haven't had the time. I am aware of the ISF issue with inner tire ware and how the factory alignment specs for toe need to be different. :)
@@bigcloudttz 😁👍🏼
My GSF steering is not numb when turning corners(front springs are compressed by G forces) or over 60 mph(front springs are compressed by wind down force). Actually in the above situations the steering feels more direct(less rubber) than M4(competition) which I rented last year. Now my GSF steering is spot on all the time since I put Ohlins DFV(16K/12K) on it...
Great info and comparison!
Nice ISF. I got a 2012 USB ISF as my daily in January and have an E46M3 track car. The ISF is a Toyota M3 with slightly numb steering. The ISF is ok on an autox course, but shines on a road course.
I dont have to worry about parts availability for my ISF because IT WILL NEVER BREAK
That’s true and you just destroyed ever bmw m3 owner 😂
I’ve had my 2009 E90 M3 since new and probably 240k kms and 10 track days. No issues.
I did change my rod bearings at 160k kms, but when I took mine out they were pristine. Throttle actuator issue is overhyped.. I’ve never changed mine. Very easy to replace. The part is a bit expensive. $~600 a piece and you need two.
First off, very good video and congrats on your new ISF. Something that I’m a bit surprised that you didn’t go further into detail with was the difference of transmission. Yes you mentioned that the M3 is available in manual whereas the ISF, of course, is not. But the difference between BMW’s DCT and lexus’ 8 speed (?) in the ISF is noteworthy as well...or at least I’ve been told. I’ve never driven an ISF nor have I driven a DCT e9x (have driven a manual e92 and 93). From what I understand the BMW’s DCT is much more dynamic and, even by today’s standards, a tremendous transmission. I’ve done a bit of research on the ISF’s and I know that, even while 10+ years old, it’s a decent transmission but it’s not the BMW DCT. Anywho, I really love the ISF and if available in manual I believe that would be a legendary car and hold MAJOR value. Interestingly enough, I follow BaT (Bring a Trailer) quite regularly and I have never seen an ISF on there. Keep posting content. I would love to hear that 5.0 with some exhaust work!
Had a 2007 IS and own a 2008 3 series. The steering in the three is my fav
GSF owner here. After having a BMW 550i with steering column / tie rod issues (10 trips to the dealer) I can live with Lexus steering feel.
My GSF steering is not numb when turning corners(front springs are compressed by G forces) or over 60 mph(front springs are compressed by wind down force). Actually in the above situations the steering feels more direct(less rubber) than M4(competition) which I rented last year. Now my GSF steering is spot on all the time since I put Ohlins DFV(16K/12K) on it...
That Reading on-ramp is always a good time to send it
I wonder if there's a permanent fix for the rod bearings on the BMW engine. I wonder if a different spec for the bearings would create different tolerances. I know it would be expensive and probably not worth it. Just a thought.
I had a 08 B7 RS4 in Daytona Grey which you could have included in this group. It was my first big purchase after I landed a great job out of university. I loved the that car and wished I had held onto it, the 4.2 V8 that redlined at 8250 was glorious coming from a econo subcompact. They only made around 1400 or 1500 B7 RS4s and only half of those came to the States. I live in Southern California and I only saw one or two of them in the three years I owned the car, which seemed special at the time. I also owned an e92 before moving onto my M4C and the F82 is fast, but I miss the sound of both the Audi and the BMWs V8. Great vid btw...I looked at the ISF as well, but no manual option was a deal killer for me and the RS4 only came in a manual.
Super rare. My buddy got his B7 RS4 a lil over a year ago. Sounds nice n has good pickup. Picked it up in Dallas I think.
@@migocctx Nice its a fairly rare car. They had 420hp at the crank, but some put up lower numbers and some had carbon build up issues with no catch cans. Tell your friend to get a remap and put a full system on it, like a Akro or Tubi or Capristo and it sounds like a mean fucker. Tell him congrats and watch for the carbon build up.
I see one almost every Saturday at Rancho Santa Fe Cars and Coffee in San Diego area
DIAMLER You’re probably seeing a lot of replicas, rebadged A4s or most likely S5s since they had a detuned version of the 4.2 liter V8 like the RS4 and R8.Tons of guys did in Orange County at the time too. You could buy everything from the front fascia to side sills and everything in between.
RS4 was an all time great. I had a 2007, then got a 2011 e90 M3 manual. I liked the RS4 better overall.
Really enjoyed the unbiased comparison. I have a love/hate relationship with my M3. Everything you mentioned makes perfect sense. The biggest difference, in my opinion, is the appeal of the M3. The ISF just doesn't stand out enough. I still get weekly compliments on my 14 year-old M3.
I can see what you mean. My buddies have ISFs and the modified ones definitely get noticed but the stock ones don't get much attention other than by people who know what it is. Some people enjoy flying under the radar though and the ISF makes for a perfect sleeper that only some people really know about.
ISF also have port and direct fuel injectors with doesn't cause carbon build up like BMW with only direct fuel injectors. 😎
E90 M3 doesn’t have direct injection. Only f80 m3 have DI, but those don’t have any carbon build up, think VW/Audi. Also I would say f80 m3 is as reliable as this ISF. F80 m3 are approaching mid 30s, same price as clean low mileage ISF.
@@Areku06
Because of carbon build up in engine I do not buy any car that only have direct fuel injectors 👍
John Xaiyavong e90 m3 doesn’t have direction injection it’s just port injection. Only issue with s65 is rod bearings, but some people have gone 130k miles on stock rod bearings, about $2000 to do at a Indy, the coolant valley plate issue on the ISF is about $1500-2000 as well. Also take a look at cost of the suspension parts and brakes on the ISF. If you diy, parts on ISF are more expensive probably because they are more exclusive than the m3.
@@Areku06 not really brakes are cheap on ISF unless u r going to a dealer. I recently picked up 4 rotors and pads for my RCF from rock auto for like $470 CAD and they are as good as factory for daily driving. If people wanna go oem then they can buy oem rotors from brembo USA for like 100 each. So nothing special.
Good job! It's refreshing to see videos from a real car guy who's unbiased and knowledgeable.
As was mentioned, 2011+ ISFs had a retuned steering ECU for improved feel. Not coincidentally, along with suspension improvements, the 2011 ISF ran VIR with identical lap times to the M3. As the chief engineer said, Lexus made constant improvements to the ISF through the years.
I think the ISF interior is a lot nicer than the M3. The M3 interior is very spartan and looks outdated when you sit in one today. The ISF interior still looks good (except for that Camry digital clock!).
Actually the ISF might have been faster than the M3 if it had the M3s tires. The M3 with the same time as the ISF was running cup 2 tires while the ISF was running stock tires. Also they did more than just a steering ECU retune to the steering. From the steering wheel to the whole steering rack most things were upgraded
@@jat946 Good point about the tires. With the steering and suspension improvements along with the addition of a LSD, I really doubt that the 2011+ ISF was a step behind the M3 dynamically. Things tend to get repeated over and over without factoring in significant improvements that were made.
I find the steering on my '14 to be excellent - good feel/feedback, well-weighted, beautifully accurate and feels like a good hydraulic system.
That M3 had Cup2 tires while ISF had standard PSS tires. I wonder what time would have been if ISF had Cup 2 tires. Mostly faster than M3.
@@TheDavcrz5 There's no question the ISF would be quicker than the M3 with those same SC+ tires. Interestingly, the SC+ tires on the M3 only gave a .2 sec improvement in lap time over the standard PS2s.
For Lexus to be so competitive with the M3, a car that's been around since 1986, on their first attempt with what started out as a skunkworks project is amazing.👍
@@esteve72 Agree 100%
Use ( metal polish ) to clean the headlights Glass with Fiber cloth or... very easy and amazing result
Go with the Meistershaft Exhaust, great video on RUclips.
Are you switching the power/snow switch on to power? I know it won't make it feel like an M3 but it does change how the power steering interacts and makes it heavier so you can feel the road better.
Been following you for the lotus days and now I may want to get a Lexus haha
You can replace 2010 steering damper with 2011-2014 for better feel 👍
is it expensive?
I want ISF to be my weekend car and my Tesla model 3 for my commute car. Btw great info!
It's a great combo I have my ISF and a Model 3 Performance for a commuter perfect yin and yang😎..... If you can do it!
Nice video! Actually they made around 12K ISF units word wide. The 5K units quoted are relevant for the US market.
Glad you enjoyed!
Does this car have electronically adjustable shocks. If I remember correctly, later year ISFs had that option.
The ISF never came with adjustable shocks.
My first modern performance car was a WRX( horrible turbo lag, and under steer) , then I bought 2 cars, a 2005 E55 AMG ( broke too often, stranded several times, would constantly go into “limp home” mode after driving hard.
I also bought a 2002 corvette convertible, that started to rattle apart after 100,000 miles, but I kept it as a second car/ sunny day cruiser.
Then a MB certified used c63, with 20,000 miles, At 28,000 ish miles MB took it back under lemon law. Yep they couldn’t fix it after 5 attempts, they put me in a C300 ( at least I had my vette) for a month once…ugh. I ended up owning it for free, when I wasn’t in a loaner.
I then bought a manual 2008 M3, loved being able to easily drive at the limit( and over the limit) but lots of assorted mechanical problems under warranty. Also the ride was too stiff for daily drive and driving mom around. Also the car started to make noises, interior and power train so I Immediately sold just before warranty ( and possibly the car) ended.
I got a 2009 ISF, then a 2011 ISF, and though still stiff, it’s much more comfortable as a daily driver.
I’d rate as Acceleration: 1 MB, 2 ISF/BMW. Handling at limit: 1 M3 2 ISF 3 MB
In town cruising/comfort / handling/ : 1 ISF 2 C63 3 M3( can you believe “ too eager to turn.). Sleeper and Exclusiveness 1 ISF 2 MB 3 M3. Reliability 1 ISF by a mile 2 M3 3 MB
Now what if you took the ISF engine, and swapped it into the IS250/350C hard top convertible body? The engine bay is the same size
You should try a steering computer from the later models. It's a much different feeling from the 2010 computer. Current ISF owner, former e92 M3 owner.
Marlon Bailey fun fact: you can direct swap that computer into the is2/350
Yeo are u located in canada i subbed cuz i love this car n your vids
Is there a lot of aftermarket support for that isf?
You forgot to mention the valley plate leak is a once in a lifetime repair, and the manifold is always swapped for an header's that will service the car until it dies.
While the M3 you will need to do rod bearing and adress many gizmo multiple time.
the easiest fix for the steering feel is to get wider front tires and wheels i did 18X10 all four corners car feels better then the E9x M3
2014 ISF EPS Power Steering Module would help with the steering numbness. OS Giken 1.5 way LSD would make it handle and behave better. Toms is pricey but out there.
Other reasons are the badge, history, involvement in motor sports.
Any chance you could do a similar video to this, but include the W204 C63 AMG _and_ the 2nd gen Cadillac CTSV, along with both the M3 and the ISF?
I'm going to be in the market to buy one of these cars in the coming months, and no matter how much research I do into all of them, I simply CAN NOT make up my mind!
What year rims are those?
Do you really feel that the torque is LACKING for daily use in the m3? I guess I’m old I mean my old corvette had similar torque to the m3
Reliability its not something you can underestimate, its very important aspect for a day to day car. The fact you can not rely on beemer is huge disadvantage even if its handles better or goes little bit faster, in every day car those perks are irrelevant
What’s better the IS or the GS LEXUS?
Great video! So here is why I would take an ISF over an M3 anyday...reliability. All the upgraded options you need are all taken care of by the aftermarket, including infotainment systems. Let's say you buy a 2010 ISF for $20K, and you buy a 2015 M3 for about the same amount. On the ISF, if you are really that keen into upgrading it, you will spend between $1K and $3K at the most doing upgrades (such as infotainment, swaybars, upgraded LCA bushings etc). If you were to buy the M3, you would have to put aside $5K to $10K...in maintenance and repair costs! I'm around a lot of BMW enthusiasts, so I know what issues they have as I have seen it first hand. So hands down, I would buy the ISF over the M3, regardless of miles. BTW, if you are looking for better steering feel, easy fix. RR Racing or Figs Engineering Lower Control Arm Polyurethane bushings! Under $400, easy to install and will give you stiffer steering, better road feel and braking. Or you can go with the RCF Bushings which are like $50 a bushing!
If I could buy a 2015 m3 for 20k tell me where! You must mean a 2008 or there about.
@@akkando Haha I don't know much about the BMW resale market, so I was just kind of making up numbers for the example. Really, a 2008 M3 sells for that much? You learn new things everyday
Amazing video i'm huge fan of Lexus IS F and 2018 BMW M3 keep going but my tall is 5,7 i don't know if i will fit in IS F
@@peterc3302 I can't wait your next video about IS F
i’m 6 feet tall and fit just fine in my isf
the 2UR GSE is such a great, over engineered motor. if i’m not mistaken lexus is still sticking a variant of that 5L V8 in their RC-F.
Yep there was a slight evolution of the motor in the GSF and RCF and now the LC 500 but at its core yes the same motor designated 2UR-GSE 😎
Yup 2nd vid and had to sub
If you think it’s hard to find info or upgrades for the ISF, then your mind would be blown with a C55 AMG lol
Ahhh. Now I know why there are tons of E36, E46, E90 and a few newer M3 but the ISF is is hiding since it is so rare
08-14 was the production years. Gotta get those ppe headers ASAP. It will wake ur F up a bit :)
Waiting on videos about eating and sleeping
When you say 5,000 units, are you talking about the US only? They produced 12,000 units worldwide. Nice video 👍🏽
5,100 in N America. There are also some in Japan of course, Russia and I believe Europe.
Ok but if I plan on making one my daily driver, with most of my driving being light-medium accelerations, and the occasional itch to burn some rubber, my impression of both cars is that, while the M3 will be more fun to drive, the ISF will win the simply because of that legendary Toyota reliability.
I need one
Are you going to be modding this car?
In my opinion the ISF is way more special than the BMW M3. I see a BMW M3 and don’t look twice I see ISF and I take my time to analyze the vehicle. Very special car and special because it’s the first high-performance luxury Japanese sedan to battle the Germans.
Also when it comes to handling the 2014 ISF was lap against the V8 E90 competition and the ISF put down the same exact track time as the BMW M3 competition so when it comes to handling I would not say the M3 handles better. I have been in both cars also and the Lexus Interior is also a plus over the BMWs
The ISF Motor is also stronger and longer running then the BMWs motor smart money is on the ISF.
Your trippin bruh. E92 is a way better more enjoyable car to drive and looks much better
My guy just said the interior is better too
Lol at interior, Lexus ISF interior looks so outdated, e9x interior is superior especially with right color combo e.g. red or brown leather. Also engine is more special in m3, its bespoke high revving V8, with proper exhaust sounds better than any other V8, except maybe for flat plane V8 like Ferrari and GT350. M3 has huge potential, to make it faster or handle better. Look up Schirmer’s acclaimed E92 M3, it can run on Nurburgring in 6min 59s, that’s faster than many super cars and that’s N/A power. In fact that’s top 5 fastest cars around Nurburgring.
Lexus exterior- just touch the door metal - it is thin, can average eye see a difference between 5000$ is250 and ISF? - NO
Bmw exterior - carbon fiber roof, fiberglass fenders aluminum hood, wide fenders, working aerodynamic body parts
Lexus interior- cmon man, you probably never had bmw nappa/novillo leather seats with extended dashboard
Engine
Lexus engine was designed with help of Yamaha, red line 6800rpms....
Bmw engine short version of Formula 1 inspired s85 engine with 8 individual throttle bodies, and a redline 8200 rpms....
I would like to own Lexus ISF but i do not think it will bring me that kind of excitement that was bringing me m3 every time i would think about going somewhere.
E9x is a coult car, ISF looks for me as an experiment from Lexus, which they successfully achieved in reselling F sport body kits
SlowN54 Lexus interior has ALWAYS been better then bmw this is not up for debate
As a daily driver, besides reliability, I believe ISF would be more frugal on the highway, at a constant normal speed.
Better gas millage great sound and super reliable and torque
Would you by chance be interested in buying the smoked VLAND headlights? I have a brand new set I will sell to you for a great deal if you would like them.
Thanks man but I'll be in the market for non-smoked version. GLWS
Not everyone buys the isf to race. I bought my 08 isf as a DD. I use to DD a Miata and a turbo s2k and that shit was starting to feel harsh when I started to get older. The comfort and vagueness of the isf is nice if you just cruise like me. It's so refined to the point it does not feel fast. But that's not why I bought it. Plus I can haul the family around in comfort.
Haywood and Scott exhaust, BC coilovers and Michelin PS4S tyres, then compare the handling to a M3! TRUST ME!
in terms of performance daily, i'd take the isf. but in terms of track car, i'd take the m3. In the best world, I'd have them both in my garage.
I own an isf without a moonroof which actually saves 100 pounds or so. That’s another option
When I beat my e46 in the mountains I feel like I'm reading braille through the steering wheel. And the pavement reads "GO FASTER"!!!
It's better cuz it's lexus. For me reliability is first. Tho I do love e92 design, one of my dreams.
I love the isf and from my RUclips name you know the other car I like.Now I can go on and on how the Lexus is reliable but I'm not.The truth is I respect the m3 v8 they sound beautiful they handle well and they look beautiful.I have nothing bad to say about the BMW.But..if you need a daily driver that wouldn't let you down go with the Lexus it's built to last.The M3 V8 is lovely and if you have the time and money to maintain it go for it.The only problem I really know with the Beemer is something about bearings in the engine that's like a 3000 dollar job but once you fix it I hear they are fine..I'm team Lexus I love the high reving 5.0 v8 and how rare they are.But seeing a e92 m3 is really nice I got a ride in one years ago and it was a rocket.Really cool car aswell .Actually felt faster then the RCF I drove to be honest but I think the RCF is faster the BMW just felt quicker for some reason but it's not .With that said the RCF was still very powerful and the build quality is second to none and it looks like nothing on the road.Intake header catback and tune on the RCF and your making big reliable power that sounds like it should be on a race track..want to get crazy get An RR racing supercharger and hang with v10 R8s
This Lexus kind of reminds of the Lexus IS that Jeff from Community used to drive
It basically is
Mr. Winger has an 07’ Lexus IS 350
N0DA do you have an F? It’s definitely not about the same f-sport guy 😂😂😂
Dj RD it’s literally in the is line. It might be different engine wise and other wise, but it’s still an is
N0DA yeah i agree with you. Its Basically an IS. Just because its an ISF doesnt make it not an IS.
watch my son he bought an is f 08 plate in the uk and has had so much done to it for example the exhuast he left but the downpipes in to the exhaust he deleted and it makes a sound that is incredible lol check it out fastlane_tv look forward to what you are doing any tips you need just ask....
They were made to 2014 not 13. And they made just over 11,400 of them and only imported 5,118 to North America.
5-0 MOTHA F* 😂😂💀
Regardless of the lacking if you will, I'll take that IS-F Over a BMW ANY DAY OFNTHE WEEK AND MY WALLET WILL THANK ME TOO. Plus, I can keep cost down being I work on the thing myself. Maintaining these things are very inexpensive.
If it was BMW they could make engine block from plastic just to make worse.
I'm pretty fucking mad all of these car youtubers are making my lowkey dream car not so fucking low-key. Fucking the market up, Goodluck finding a decent deal now
BUT, the C63 AMG is the relevant one in this category.
its such a MONSTER 😻
True 👍 but won't last no 400,000 miles!!! Toyota baby ..Mercedes money 💰 pits 😆 🤣 😂
JT if you maintain them they will. they're not "invincible" lol but atleast they're WAAAYYYY more reliable than BMW's lol
the lexus is alright , but boring
If you maintain your m3 it is reliable too. The m3 is expensive to maintain but it is a high performance machine. I've driven both and I never wanted to drive the Lexus again. The M3 I want to drive for no reason.
I got a honda for my daily and bmw for the second car.. works well for me
Yeah same, I have beater Nissan I commute in and a BMW specifically for mountain driving.
If you wanted better steering feel in the ISF you should've gotten a 2011+
Or swap out steering ECU like most do. Far cheaper!! Lol
@@jpxmodz If only that was all there was. You'd also have to swap from the steering wheel to the steering rack along with the suspension components including bushings. A lot more things were revised in 2011
From a consumer perspective, I would daily the Lexus and Track the BMW IF I don't do my own maintenance. Engineering Perspective, BMW M3 all day! This is the last v8 4 door m3 we're talking about.
I like the IS F, I truly do, but it's not a real sports car... and 3 Pedals >>>>>>>>>2 Pedals for a 'fun to drive' car. If it's your daily, sure go automatic, if its your fun car, hell no. Coming from a guy who has owned many fun cars (WRX, STi, S2000, C6Z06, 280ZX, Z4M, Z3M, E46 M3, F80 M3, GTi) along with other 'boring' daily drivers (B8.5 Allroad, B7 A4, 335Xi, B8 Avant, A6, etc)
Way way way way way more Reliable !!!!!! Resale is so much higher with Toyota and that is for a reason !!!!
These cars are fucking rare bro
Lexus needs to give manual transmission a chance again
I like the interior of the M3 better but the ISF is still a great car
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The hand modeling in your thumbnail reminds me of The Price is Right Game Show. Super cheesy 🧀
IS is the shit!
I hope you enjoy it as is....don't waste money on body repairs. Just buy a decent used bra and call it good.
It's fast enough, sounds good and is reliable my 2012
I’m just sitting here going... “get a GT350 again.” Haha
Lol why. ISF is so much cooler
Gt350 is best of both worlds
the 526Hp & flat-crank V8 exhaust sound are intoxicating... :)
suspension was better than I anticipated = very solid, ahem, almost 'Lexus-like' ;)
an amazing car YES ! , .. still,.,. Ford ..
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They made the isf 2008-2014 not 2013
the M3 is definitely a better looking car. They also made M3 sedans in the E92 class. Not just couple and convertible. The ISF is the more reliable option tho, a v8 BMW simply cant be trusted