C63 AMG Vs Lexus ISF* What Is The Better Buy? This Is What Happened
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Welcome to another Episode of Ross Reviews AU on this weeks Video we compare the C63 AMG vs the Lexus ISF.. Both have NA V8s.. Bothe RWD.. Both Luxury Sport Sedans & now on the used market costing around the same money... so what's the best bang for buck??? Lets find out!
Huge thanks to NextRide for loaning us the C63 AMG its for sale so check them out through the link below.
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My IS-F just hit 280,000 miles! And basically ZERO major repairs (tons of brakes, tires, and oil)…. I’d love to see what C63 owners have in that regard-
I've had four 2012+ W204 C63s with no repairs to speak of; however, only about 80k miles combined in all. Funny enough, I have an IS-F now myself and love it :D Everything feels well thought out and tailored. And the transmission is so much smoother which was a surprise to me.
So a Japanese Five-O motor that still keeping together and trucking for days, huh? Must be a good buy for ya
P.S: Would love to own this but I am broke
If only Lexus had had the balls to make a supercharged one it'd be just about perfect.
@@BigUriel Yeah and I recently checked for a supercharger kit, problem is the ringland on those engine crack with boost. The engine will take it but the piston ring are not made for that. So to push boost into the ISF you need to go forged piston OR swap the RCF engine. I heard those are okay (not 100% sure)
To be honest an healthy FBO ISF will get you in the 420-440whp territory. You can basically have 500hp+ crank in the ISF and beat it every single day for years until something goes bad, and it's probably not the engine.
Great review and comparison. I came from a 2010 ISF to a 2014 C63 Edition 507 which borrows a few goodies from the Black Series. Both the ISF and C63 are amazing cars. I have a great deal of love and respect for both models.
If I had to compare the two, I would say the ISF is a gentleman and the C63 is a Psychopath.
The ISF is of course the more logical choice here for long-term reliability. You don't buy the C63 for this reason, you buy it because of how it makes you feel...
Spot on mate! And the 507 is 👌🔥 definitely a lot of upgrades in that one
Couldn't say that any better!
If you had to pick only 1 of the 2 which would you go with?
The C63 makes you wanna have second thoughts and humbles you.
The IS F pushes you to bring your inner psychopath out to enjoy it.
What’s a good price for one
If I was choosing between these two when they were new ten years ago, I would go with the Lexus. Bulletproof reliability and lower cost of ownership. The ISF sold a fraction of the numbers compared to the m3 and c63 which just makes it more appealing to me.
the ISF would have been the smart play
Also doesn't feel like you're making any compromises with the Lexus, for the sake of reliability...
That makes no sense... Reliability matters when the car is old and out of warranty...
@@panda1412. I had long term ownership in mind. The choice would be the same buying now second hand.
@@panda1412. Exactly.
Most people who buy these cars trade them in before the warranty runs out, that's why they prefer something German with more performance for the money even if on the long run it's not as reliable, they won't have to pay for it when it breaks.
ISF is so bloody underrated. They look so awesome given the age!
It’s so ahead of it’s time
Hearing the C63 in real life makes you realise why they were so popular! Damn good sounding car 👌
Yup camera doesn’t do it justice
Great work bro, I have never owned a c63 but have driven a few and yes the power and aggression and fun factor is like no other . I have had a tuned ISF and the biggest difference between the two is that the ISF gets the power down every time especially if left in sports auto mode for drag racing. It will beat a huge amount of much more powerful cars in an 1/8 of a mile. Great video and comparison Johnny.
I knew you would love this one mate! Man I wish I had your old one 🥺 that was an epic spec
How do they take boost?
Great Comparison. Yes, the Lexus 8 Speed was the worlds first 8 speed transmission. It was the same box they released with the LS460 in 2006 but with a sportier tune.
Amazing transmission for the time! Really noticeable improvement over the C63 box
It was also the world's fastest automatic for it's time I believe. It was the only one capable of 100 ms shift times. Very fast transmission. Was definitely ahead of it's time.
@@f3nixfire yeah, it was faster than the VAG DSG gearboxes and still compares to them to this day, I believe!
"It's not a car, it's an axe-murderer with headlights!"
-Jeremy Clarkson on the C63 AMG
😈😈😈😈
Great video mate, both wonderful cars but yes the AMG is an absolute monster. I was following my father in his on the highway once, I was in my R35 and thought I'll rip past him on the overtaking lane and show him some Japanese power. Way harder task than had expected😅in the end 'm pretty sure he let me pass.
That’s awesome 😎 there is no denying how beastly the C63 is!
I've owned both, I'd prefer the isf, just for the reliability factor🤣
The ISF is what you should buy but the C63 is that deep desire
@@RossReviewsau the c63 is a great car, but one day I was driving down the highway and the car shut off on me. Needed an ecu replacement, that was a nice $10,000 job😅
@@goldencrumpets what year
I just bought a 2012 lexus isf silver with red interior and only 34k miles! This is a beast.
Lucky man, curios what you spent? I'm looking at a black 08 84k miles for 29k....
C63 is all about that engine. My friend has one it's about the best sounding v8 I've ever heard
100% the monster engine creates an insane noise
Makes me happy to see someone else smile the way I do when I get in and drive mine. Cool footage video
Glad you enjoyed it
C63 sounds like a WWII bomber.
It’s insane eh! The noise on camera doesn’t do justice
Made by the same people.
@@RypienGT 😂
@@RypienGT😭🤣bro u really went there
@@RypienGTles bombardiers oui je pense bmw idem
I considered the C63, and I don't see many. But the ISF was what I chose. No regrets. FBO!
Can’t go wrong eh
Love how you’re slowly developing more and more of an Aussie accent mate. 🤙🏽
Love the vids !
cheers mate ;)
Those ISF are monsters plenty out there with over 300,000kms.. don’t see the Benz doing that 😂
Yup reliable and fun
You do but with a couple of engine rebuilds inbetween
@@Birmingham_racing 🤣🤣🤣
@@Birmingham_racing 🤣🤣🤣
Nobody rebuilds m156 engines like that, there's a lot out there with 300km. I think the reliability thing is blown out of proportion. It is developed by the same guy who created the carrera gt engine, and they have the same head engine issues which boil down to not changing oil or using the right oil.
I still can't believe that AMG made an LSD optional on the C63.. it's a hotrod with leather seats.
🤣 true
I’d rebuy my c63 again and again if given the option. More smiles per mile than any similar car.
The noise is just amazing eh
Your reviews keep getting better and better Ross !
That Lexus is a real road ripper, AMG goes overboard and we all have to accept that but at the same ignore because they are always ahead of any other car
Thanks brother really appreciate the support
@@RossReviewsau No Worries mate you deserve it, but yeah everyone knows that Mercedes-Benz or AMG will keep a design for 5 - 10 years then update and quiet a risk taker and but very successful over the years, but on another note.... I STILL LOVE LEXUS, Mercedes-Benz just gives a bit of kick to let us know what cars will be like if you were to drive a "Mercedes-Benz"
I have a 2008 IS-F that I have owned since new as my daily driver, here in the USA...goes through all four seasons including snow without a beat. I also bought a new Supra recently and if I had to get rid of one, it would be the Supra. The IS-F is special.
Awesome cars 🙌 thanks for watching
I’m contemplating going from a 05 6speed FBO tuned g35 sedan to an ISF.. what’s your verdict on the car? It would be my daily here in NYC. I’m just not crazy about the dated interior !! Oh and the automatic lol ..
@@zMurderification it's funny. When the g35 came out I was dead set on getting a red one with brembos. I test drove one and was let down. The IS F will blow it away in every aspect. Try to find a 2010 and up, unless you want to update the differential on a 08 or 09
@@eventhorizon4795 Check out the ClubLexus forums - the problem is that any good condition IS-F is going to be more expensive than its worth. Many kids have gotten their hands on these things and beaten them to death and jammed garbage aftermarket headlights and tailights on them. You should stick to a 2010+ as they have the Torsen LSD from the factory. Some folks do modify the older 08/09 cars to have the OEM LSD as well...good luck in your search! Also don't rule out the IS500 - it comes with the V8, but not really track ready.
Great review mate. Loved those bounces of the rev limiter too they sounded awesome. I love that Australia is right hand drive too like here in the UK so the cars seem relatable
Glad you enjoyed it mate
@@RossReviewsau yeah I had heaps of fun...sorry just being a bogan
ISF all day! There are a few out there with over 400k miles still running as strong as new. The only known issue is valley plate leak which is a simple fix relative to all the issues the c63 has. For that reason, ISF are appreciating in value year over year.
Yup definitely a lot more reliable than the C63 , my old C63 cost me over $25,000 NZD In maintaining & repairs in just 4 years of ownership plus the purchase cost of 40k nzd . Oh & the car only had 150,000kms on it when I sold it. Unreliable heaps of shit.
C63s are appreciating faster then the IS since it's the last 6.2L v8
@@carft1234 yeah. You made that up. Prices are exactly about the same for equivalent year/mileage c63 compared to equivalent ISF. 2012-2014 ISF are actually worth more and will appreciate way more since they only made about 1000 units in those years world wide.
@@sdlausen1 yeah bro they’re not at all check prices online 😂
@@johncombs216 I literally did... Same model year ISF vs. same model years C63 from 2008-2014. Jesus f'n Christ. Look it up yourself. It takes 5 minutes for crying out loud.
Great review, both are incredible cars, I own 09 ISF pearl white with WedsSport wheels,
very sporty and a fun car to drive!
Glad you enjoyed it
This 8 speed auto transmission was first used in the Lexus LS460 in late 2006/early 2007 which was the first 8 speed auto used in a passenger car and then used in the IS F shortly after though it was tuned to be a bit quicker and sportier shifting.
I also just bought an ISF too! Can’t wait to pick it up.
Good but
The C63 swallows that's why you want it😂😂
🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀
@@RossReviewsau You always remember that one😉
🎯💯🤣
Ok let’s bust some of these comments.
The car in this road test is an early car, sometime 2008-2011. It is the pre-facelift car with different bumpers, skirts, lights and hood; it has aged worse than the facelift. The interior is marginally better than a 203, closer to the old E Class W211. It was only available as a sedan or a wagon and had the 7G torque converter transmission.
In late 2011 the car was given a facelift on all models, and a coupe was introduced. Then, in 2012 for one year a Black Series coupe was available but we’ll forget that. The facelift had a new body kit with daytime running lights in the front bumper, more aggressive rear diffuser, full LED tail lights (aside brake light bulb) and as an option you could have the xenon intelligent lighting system, but the factory option was a halogen pair of units. The interior was reworked drastically and did not have the low-def flip up screen, it has a fixed mounted high-def screen that is now capable of running Car Play and streaming high-def content from your phone. Many of the cheap plastics were replaced for leathers and softer materials but, some remained as it was ‘just’ a C Class. The transmission remained 7 speed but was changed to the MCT which is a faster shifting wet clutch setup. Both are reliable, the MCT will take more power than the 7G.
In both pre and post face lift cars, an extra power package was an option giving 480hp vs standard 456hp. This also gave you red calipers, and some lighter engine internals from the SLS such as pistons and a crank, then some styling parts like alcantara wheel and carbon rear spoiler. Realistically side by side, and if a standard car is tuned, the lighter internals don’t seem to make much of a difference. On the pre-facelift car, stiffer suspension was available but then became the same on all cars (aside BS) after the facelift. An LSD, mechanical only, was an option on all cars other thank the Black Series…you need to look for option 471.
I’ve seen people comment on reliability here but without any knowledge. This isn’t an unreliable car. Pre-facelift had an issue with head bolts coming loose but, was part of a factory recall so, all cars should be done. Check this. Injectors can stick on cars less used and cause hydro lock, uncommon but you may need a new set, under $1000 for a full set. That’s literally it, the rest can be attributed to wear, tear and poor maintenance such as not getting suspension tracked properly causing bad tire wear, sun roof sticking due to dried grease and maybe a wheel speed sensor will go out from dirt ingress into the hub… about $100 to fix.
I have had my coupe for 9yrs, it is a standard car (not power pack) and I have supercharged it. I don’t understand why Australians measure engine power in the same units as a dishwasher but, this equates to around 720hp, with scope for closer to 800 with interchilling, more boost from a 2.9L charger and a transmission rebuild.
All cars can take a tune from standard and end up around 510hp, then with headers 530-550hp. The intakes on these cars are already ram-air so, no intake upgrades necessary at all. Once you tune a C63 (which is easy, and extra power comes from literally opening the throttle up closer to 100%), you’ll forget the ISF.
Appreciate the comment and information mate 🙏
i loved my 204! a while back i was considering to replace my 205 with a 204 507 but in the end i decided to stick with the 205 and wait to see if the CLE will be something. never been a fan of lexus it's looks but i don't think anyone ever regrets buying and driving a lexus.
that sounded soo good at 5:16, sounds like a velociraptor
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That exhaust on lexus sounds amazing. Which aftermarket exhaust system is it?
I don't know which one I'd choose! They both have more power than a stock VFII SS or even an FG-X XR8, in a smaller body!
The W204 is the best C Class in my opinion, much better than the previous W203 and the next gen W205, especially for interior materials and quality... The second generation IS is also really cool as well, it's a shame they didn't continue the 'F' brand... Great video 👍
I'd like to drive the C63 AMG, it's a great car, but would never own one, IS-F all the way. I actually bought an IS350 (2012) this time last year shortly after checking out Ross's review on a white IS 350 F Sport (mine's a Sports Luxury). While I'd already made the decision, Ross's review really confirmed it for me! I remember he got a 5.49 second 0-100 km/h time in that car (in the dry of course).
There is just something about that generation IS which still looks amazing today. My IS is Vermillion red with beige interior and it's in amazing condition. I had it fully detailed by my nephew (carnuba wax - didn't get ceramic as it lives in the garage during the day and night) but it looks so good it's often a talking point when friends and family see it..then they look at the interior and nearly fall over.. It's so solid and just works so well in just about every way. Only complaint a seat bottom cushion comfort could be better (weird because my neighbour's IS feels more padded and comfortable) ..and AM radio reception is rubbish (I need to use a phone app to listen to good old 3AW! LOL)..but the Mark Levinson Audio is great.
I found it interesting that Ross said the IS feels big...maybe because I came from a 2008 Honda Accord V6 (the really big ones), but the IS feels positively compact and 'wrap around'.
Anyway, as usual great review Ross!!!
Thanks mate! Glad you got the car and enjoyed it like I did! Good buy
Hey Ross, awesome review and agree the C63 is a monster. I owned one for a couple months and it was definetly smiles per gallon rather than miles! Random question, is your arm tattoo a ta moko from New Zealand? It looks like one!
Damn I am also laughing when you happy😂😂I feel same things in my phone.... damn how is that possible🤣super dope video👍
Haha glad you enjoyed the video 😂
Can’t wait to see this. Might make me sad. I miss mine.
I was sad just thinking about yours
GREAT REVIEW THE FIRST 8 SPEED AUTO WAS IN THE 2007 LEXUS LS 460 THATS A LONG WHILE AGO
Some people say this is and some say it I s not
@@RossReviewsau it was the 2007 LS460 tht got the 1st 8spd, but in 2008 the ISF got a revised quicker shifting 8spd. Lexus claiming fastest at the time / F1 like shifting of 0.1sec upshifts in manual and sport mode. BUT you have to shift at the Beep, TC is locked from 2nd to 8th up until 6800rpm, after that its not. Unless you can get it tuned by Lois to increase the rev limit to 7500rpm and keep the TC locked until then
Great review! Have had 2008 ISF for 4 years and absolutely love it. 2 weeks ago added C63 S204 wagon as a daily for the added practicality. It is definitely sounds more insane than the ISF, as it had long tube headers, but both cars make me smile every time I drive them. Will see how reliable is C63 as it is still early days and it has 211k km, but ISF has been bulletproof during my ownership.
Very nice! That an awesome garage mate
It's been a year. How's the c63? I'm considering of getting one as a daily. It would be great to hear how it's been. especially with yours having higher km.
The reason you think the AMG is old is because you were driving the old shape 2009 6.2 the 2012 shape 6.2 was a lot more modern
Isf was out in 2007 😂
@@xFactoryUSA both companies decided to facelift their cars at different times.
ISF hands down.
It is amazing all round
😂 no
I'm a lexus guy but your crazy to say hands down lol. That Merc engine is one of the best v8s of all time.
Go up one generation and you are correct from a styling perspective
@@shawndon7374 that 6.2amg engine is unreliable and gets left behind by a cammed Ls1
Both brilliant cars with high displacement which is a rarity these days. Love the c63 a bit more but would love to own both
Both brilliant and would love either of them eh
Haha I drove past you when you were doing the intro! I was in a Datsun 280zx!
🤣 nice one
I was the work truck at 7:18!
I had a ride in an SL63 2014. It was like a plane taking off. I want the ISF as my daily 😀. Great review Ross👍
Thanks Stephen appreciate your support
Lexus every time, another great video John 👍
The Lexus ISF is the smart choice 😅
Toyota vs AMG
Such comments, that Toyota is no match for that Mercedes, you don’t buy this level of car if you have money issues, these are toys bought purely for fun and you throw in all the money they require without a grime to keep you smiling, the word reasonable and or economy doesn’t exist in this world and in that light, grand as the Toyota is, but it doesn’t match this car, this cars rival is the BMW and the Audi…
@@duffydon1741 you also don’t buy a Mercedes if you desire quality. Quality lasts.
@@Mcali1984 these are big boy toys who don’t give a fu&?ck about anything except fun, they have the money to “stomach” QC issues! You make it sound like the Germans are Chinese quality and this is because you don’t have enough money to roll like the big boys, to you every cent counts, to people that have money, money is used to buy these toys!
Later years of the merc got the updated interior, much nice and modern
Yes later models are nicer inside
Great video both cars are both beast in the there class of performance
Both are 100% Beasts!
It’s amazing how much better and modern the interior is in the 2013 facelift of the C63. I wish you had the facelift version here! If your in the market I highly recommend the facelift. They also fixed some issues on the engine so it’s much more reliable.
100% had the 204 63 ,2012 for 8 years and its faultless , the one reviewed is not the performance pack , that has red calipers and a bit more power
What’s a good one mileage wise
Great video. I have a Supercharged ISF I'd love to see your reaction in that she's a monster 😂
God damn! Would love to see that 😳
I love my ISF!! Getting ready to sell it but it’s been amazing! I can’t recommend it enough, I just need more space.
Instant regret bro 🥲 don’t do it
btw for those that want to buy a 204 and want a bit of nice interior, go for the facelift and a lot of the parts you can switch with those from the E class like having a nice digital climat control panel.
facelift of course is a bit nicer
C63 is a better car but the Lexus would be significantly better to own.
Yup very fair assessment
Any idea of the exhaust setup on the ISF and did it drone?
Noice video Ross Reviews. 20’000 Kilometre VE SS next please.
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From Jordan’s car reviews
Both awesome cars, I'd take the F for sure, it opens up quite a bit with headers etc although they're not cheap & it's not an easy install without a hoist
It’s a quality car
Great to see the ISF. Miss mine 😂🤣
Yes, they had the worlds first 8 speed auto. Designed in Japan by Aisin. Less parts and less power loss than the later ZF.
That car you are in is a MY10. First with the Torsen limited slip.
Worst way to launch an ISF is by loading the torque converter 🤣🤣😂 Off idle (500 rpm) as it “surprises” the converter and launches harder. Best I got in mine was 4.6 with street tyres on a normal road fighting TC. With TC off it would just wheel spin.
On a sticky drag strip with AR-1s was 4.08 my best 0-100. 1/4 was 12.1 full weight, spare, tools, carpets etc. Never got the right conditions to do 11.9.
Hope one day to get another and go further with development of the inlet manifold with better inlet porting, a GSF TB and open up the PPE headers where they merge. That is a bottle neck.
Love your videos. Great content 😀👍😎
That’s amazing mate! Love all the info! Beautiful cars
Sold?🥲
What's the best way to launch an isf? I have a 2011 with just sikky headers
@@lcameeno1 Off idle. Not loading the converter.
That’s actually false. The first 8 speed transmission came on the 2007 Lexus LS460. Btw buddy of mine just set the world record for NA isf on the 1/4 mile, running a 11.5 at 119 no nitrous. Beast of a transmission though!!! And trust me you have to load up the torque converter on these to get out of the hole on a well set up isf.
Had the same reaction 7:26 lol the thing is a beast for it’s time
oh man this is to good! both epic sedans
Love them both
That's a fair match up! And yeah the mercedes 7g tronic works well in luxury applications but it's not sporty.
true the 7G Tronic is not the liveliest but i have seen some with a tune on it that helps.. but the ISF 8spd is far superior
Lexus All Day
Bought an 11' isf 2 years ago and it hasnt gone to the shop yet lol. Neck and neck with my m5 until about 150 (in mexico).
The switch to Japanese for the daily was relieving in the sense that it didnt feel like minesweeper with CELs warning chimes going off at any moment
They are solid cars
The Lexus ISF is a better overall car. But I'm drawn to the C63 because it is flawed and imperfect. The maintenance will wreck your account but that's why I'll have one soon.
Yup the ISF is the smart car to buy.. but deep down you want the violet angry temperamental C63 😂💀
Headunit upgrade on the IS on The Fitting Bay channel, so no excuses now 😂
I have a 09 c63 bought it 12yrs ago. Low miles. I test drove the Isf before making a decision. I fell in love with the c63. With just tune 440whp. That isf is not stock exhaust.
Yeh the ISF has an exhaust.. the C63 is a beast tho eh.. the feeling is unmatched
Hows it been treating you since you've had it for 12 years? And HUGE repair bills?
@@RossReviewsau Sounds insane, which exhaust system is it?
0-60 is 4.3-4.4 in my ISF, something was wrong, maybe don't launch with the brake pedal engage. I found that the ECU cut power when I engage my gaz/brake at the same time.
Interesting comparo. The IS-F is probably going to be the more reliable car, the Mercedes M156 has some known flaws, head bolts/studs and sticking/leaking injectors. The 2UR as far as I'm aware only has the known valley plate leak.
My brother has an 2010 IS-F. Goes really nicely.
I believe head bolt issues were addressed for 2012+ models of the C63. The valley plate leak on the ISF was on all years 2008 - 2012
@@jpxmodz What on earth is a valley plate leak and is it an expensive fix? Other than that, what other issues are there for the Lex?
@@solefreak2 if you fix it yourself it costs you about 10$. my ISF never had the valley plate leak and its at 160k km
@@musoui they ripped you off my man
@@bdmr_isf Okay but is it a difficult job? Also, is this the same engine in the GS F?
Just saw a isf on fb group with over 400k miles, still runs like a top
Great sounding IS F. Do you know what brand/model of aftermarket exhaust is fitted to it? Cheers
PPE heades,, high flow cats, tied to a magnaflow exhaust
See comment below
Be careful, Karen could be filming you from a tree disguised as a koala.. lol
They always are around looking for me
Think they call them Sheila's over there
Amazing review I’m a Lexus guy but I like c63 Amg also both of the cars are amazing I have ISF
Agreed both are amazing
Happy for you to take out my stage 2 c63s edition1 if you like to compare it to its competitors
Problem is with the c63 s they aren't actually that fast compared to other cars, I'd rather the E63s
@@bslothed3211 i also own a e63s but my stage 2 c63s is much more fun being only rear wheel and its quicker
appreciate it can you send me a fb message or on Instagram
@@RossReviewsau yes sir
You never really hear about the ISF in the league between Audi RS5, BMW M3 or the C63, but it definitely deserves to be considered on the same podium. Great review.
Glad you enjoyed it.. the ISF is a great car
Legendary M156 at its best !
That motor is a savage
Both of these were on my list. I test drove a C63 Estate and fell in love. But at the end of the day, I couldn't justify the price he wanted and the fuel consumption. Even though I know for a fact, that every time I heard the thing I would be grinning like an idiot. I didn't get to test drive an IS-F unfortunately.
the ISF could have been a perfect match for you mate! really great cars.. far more practical than the C63 madness lol
@@RossReviewsau I nearly said that I "settled" on an Audi B8.5 S4. But that's not really the word haha. It's a really good car to drive. Comfortable, a bit quick. Handles better than I was lead to believe. Grab yourself a steer of one if you can.
@@JediRuss77 Funny, I was shopping for an Audi S4 but came home with a W205 (well, estate so S205) C63S.
yeah mate, you want her bad (C63) but deep down you know she's a gold digger...lol
It’s true 😩😩😩
Can you please let us know which aftermarket exhaust is in the ISF?
PPE headers, high flow cats and magnaflow exhaust, I'm the owner of the ISF 😊
@@macchu5334 hey buddy is it Magnaflow with mufflers or muffler delete? How is the drone?
I can clock 0-100 in 4.6 in my 08 (open diff) ISF with just custom catback exhaust and intake/tune. The transmission hates being stalled up. You just need to let go off the brake and drop the hammer with the right foot.
In terms of long term ownership and reliability the ISF is far superior. In the C63 with the M156 you need to keep an eye on head bolts (if it isn't the revised engine), cam adjusters, worn camshafts, lifters, injectors and cracking in the intake manifold.
i need to redo that launch eh! haha man still its bloody quick
Hey Ross, love the content!
Can u try and do a review on a GSF/RCF?
Will do my best to find one
Awesome mate! Would look forward to it. Keep up the great reviews!
Obsessed with the ISF!
They are epic
Have a 2019 C63AMG ( 30k miles) and still own a 2014 AMGc63 2017e63 80k+ miles in both terms of reliability I’ve never understood peoooe saying they are not reliable even when driving the vehicle rough. I think if the owner takes care of the car and isn’t cheap or tries to cut corners with repairs or upgrades your in good shape.. unfortunately how many people don’t cut corners on their vehicles or buy badly serviced vehicles then trash the brand? Lexus doesn’t come close the c63 IMO not even the LFA tbh to some degree. Just my 2 cents
I've gotten 4.6 out of my stock ISF regularly. You weren't launching it in the most efficient manner. Don't try to build up revs. Just floor the accelerator.
My ISF can easily keep up with more powerful C63 and tuned M4s because they can't put their power down especially in the wet. The ISF gets it's power down so easily.
Interesting I’ll have to try again.. 4.6 is wild tho
Because it's only 415 hp
Id take that lexus any day
It’s a beast
Hey Ross I got a second gen toyota century . If you wanted to review it.
Interesting send me a message on Instagram or Facebook
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What brand is the ISF rear diffuser looks so great
Maxon design, I am the owner of the ISF 😊
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@@macchu5334 ❤thank you v8 owner!
C63’s are way easier to find and about 10-15k cheaper than an ISF. In Canada I’ve seen 2008 ISF’s going for the same price as 2022 c63’s…. And the isf’s were sold within hours. Market is going crazy for isf’s
Hey Mate,2 special cars right there indeed I can see why you're having a ball in them I'd own either one if possible & I liked your chick analogy lol,the bad girl does it all but she's definitely not a keeper yeah hahaha,top review thanks Johnny man.
HAHA had to use something im familiar with lol both impressive machines
Love my 2008 IS-F 👍❤️
👌👌👌
It doesn't help that you're comparing the pre-facelift version of the C63 if you actually used the 2012-14 model the interior looks much newer and is of better quality. Plus the transmission also shifts quite faster as well
The ls460 2007 was the first 8 speed
The isf anyday ...that 5.0L has been into Toyota Hilux Dakar trucks and it sounds insane with highlift cams and headers.
Damn that would be cool as hell to see
Why does the 204 hood not go all the way up like other amg models?
they do i know on the later model 204s not sure about this one lol i didnt try
The wheels on the ISF look sick, any idea what brand they are? Also, so jealous that the Australian ISF actually comes with RHD indicator/wiper stalks, the UK version just uses the same LHD stalks as Europe :( (Japanese manufacturers gave up putting RHD stalks on our cars after 2000 because nobody else was as the US/EU manufacturers never bothered and the UK car industry was dead).
I had no idea about the stalks on UK models - our Aussie models are very close to JDM-spec and I just assumed other RHD markets would be similar.
The wheels looks similar to some JR wheels, but I'm not to sure. Black rims are hard to identify sometimes for me
Both epic machines
You got that right
Both cars are great in their own way
Here in the states the ISF will run you 10k +more to buy, so even though c63 is less reliable 10k+ does take care of some problems you may have, you just don't have to pay upfront for it, I've owned 2 c63 different years and 1k a year is normal for fixing stuff 🙂
Bro where are you finding these 10k ones I was looking for one for a solid year couldn’t find anything less than 20k that had less than 150k miles so I just went with the c63
@@yashka7137 10k more then c63 not for 10k total
@@yashka7137 10k more then c63 not for 10k total
@@yashka7137 10k more then c63 not for 10k total
yup this is the first 8 speed, but firstly was mounted in the LS500
I think you meant to say LS460.
@@AnontheGOAT my bad, not that generation 😅
Very cool
Love both cars, but the Lexus wins it for me, more unique, better specs with the cooled seats and camera on all models, probably more reliable because its a Lexus. I can forgive it for not being as fast.
Both are great cars for sure... cost of ownership means a lot to me, ISF would be my choice.
Yup definitely better maintenance wise
The ISF sounds pretty darn good, second to C 63 though :)
ISF FTW🙌🏻
It’s a weapon
There is a reason no one wants to own a 10yr old amg as a daily driver. The Lexus is alot more refined but given the manifold is known for cracking, whack on some headers and free up the exhaust and they sound like a beast.
agree the ISF is the best option daily here..
@@RossReviewsau Add Exhaust and Headers and you gain like 10% power. I+E+H+Tune on BP98 + some eth gets it from 416hp to >=500hp
Yes, the ISF was the first ever production vehicle with an 8 speed auto trans
Not true brother. Better look it up again
@@elementsk8erq it's true
Earlier comments state 2007 LS460.
@@AnontheGOAT always thought it was the ISF, but i guess not. Even though I'm sure it was developed with plans to go in the ISF, maybe they used the 07 460 as a test mule for it's capabilities and made necessary tweaks for the F. Idk, just speculation