You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned how the ISF is analog. I find the 2is to very analog and tossable, where the newer “sporty” Lexus's seem boatier and more like luxury cruisers
I owned both and the 2IS chassis is crp. Revisionist thinking make people forget the E92 M3 won every single comparison against the ISF. They tried to make the chassis better for the ISF, but like Chris Harris said, if you took out the V8, the ISF feels like 335 competitor. The 8:18 Nurburgring lap time tells the true story. . 2IS chassis is soft and flimsy with so much shuddering and cowl shake. The 3IS made it better, but RCF chassis according to Lexus officially is more than twice as stiff the 3IS chassis, which is improved over the 2IS chassis. The RCF is wider and lower so it takes 90 mph turns as if they were 40 mph. It masks speed as if it is not even fast while ISF feels a lot more strained at lower speeds. Numbers don't lie. The best skidpad test for RCF is 0.99g by Car And Driver compared to 0.92g for the ISF. You should watch hot lap review of illWillem on his channel who owns a track built ISF for time attacks and did a hotlap in a stock RCF His conclusion. Objectively, RCF is superior in every way
Agreed. I owned both ISF and RCF CF/TVD. The whole thing and ISF and harshness is due to the very poorly designed 2IS chassis and lack of torsional rigidity. RCF chassis is like a brick. Does not flex at all so the suspension despite being stiff, is overwhelmed a lot less over imperfections. RCF rolls a lot less than the ISF because RCF is lower, wider and also has a stiff chassis. ISF feels harsh over bumps, but then when you throw it around a track, it rolls like crazy on stoxk suspension. RCF actually compete well initially in 2015 with the F30 M4 because even pro racing car drivers like Randy Pobs or Tiff Needel nearly ran even lap times in the F30 M4 and RCF
@@2ZZGE100 isf was a pretty low budget shoe horn job from factory, of course they improved other f's as they were specifically designed to be f cars rather than putting a v8 in an is250/350. I only drive them on the street & prefer the sedan & just like the isf, for me if going for a performance car I wouldn't take either, but for a fun reliable, somewhat practical daily the isf suits
I have an ISF and my buddy has an RCF. I only have intake and exhaust no headers yet, and lightwheels. He was stock. We were neck and neck on the highway 60 to 130. RCF had a beautiful interior for sure. I love how the ISF so unassuming and raw though. People always stare because there aren't a lot and hear the v8. Love it.
RCF is superior obviously as it is 10 years newer. I sold my 2011 with 60k miles for $35k and bought the 2016 CF/TVD RCF for $52K with 35k miles.The $30k RCF are badly maintained, accident and high mileage RCF. Clean and mint RCF are still at a minimum in high 40s. RCF feels like an evolution of the same concept where they had a proper budget to R&D everything and a skunkworks car like the ISF where the chief engineer was forced to use a flimsy 2IS chasdis. . I owned both of them and definitely RCF has the superior chassis a lot more rigid, better and more modern suspension and more modern technologies and also a lot more powerful and high revving engine. The ISF 2IS chassis is very flimsy and shudders everywhere whereas RCF under extreme tossing feels very composed and like a brick. RCF is faster on almost an of the tracks. The ISF is lighter and is a narrower taller car so it gives illusion of a smaller car. RCF also gets the TVD that makes it super nimble. ISF is also feels more raw compared to the sophisticated and advanced feel of the RCF
I got an ‘08 ISF about a year ago and its been awesome. Sound is insane (previous owner put on a HKS SSM exhaust) and it always turns heads when they hear the V8. I agree the ride is very rough, so I got some KW v3s to hopefully help reduce that harshness a bit. Great video, love seeing other ISFs out there!
I think the 2020+ RCFs will hold their value more than previous versions, because the front end is better styled and will attract more buyers. The GSF (IMO) is just too big for my taste, I'm not the Family Hauler demographic. 🙂 The ISF's ride is too rough for me personally, it's awesome on the track and canyons, but that's not where you'll be every day. When I went from my 2006 2nd Gen 350 to the 2016 3rd Gen 350 Fsport to the 2022 3rd Gen 500 FSP, the structural advances were quite noticeable with each. All are great cars and rare, but I'd say the 500 has a better blend of analog and modernization in one package. Thanks for posting!
for the price, the RCF has a lot more modern features and versatility. picking these up for 30-35k is an absolute steal. you can find ISF’s for around the 20k price range, but for an 08-09, i think for what you’re getting that’s too much. also the 2011+ ISF prices are insane, most are going for around 40k. the ISF will definitely increase in price over the years, but i can see the RCF shooting down to the 25-30k range soon.
I recently picked up a 14’ ISF for 48k yeah price is insane but I’ve always wanted one that was 2012+ and I know i probably could’ve gotten a use rcf for cheaper but I really like the ISF, also I like being a lowkey car and not having people constantly trying to race me on the road lol
@@Louie_Rodriguez yes sir, I’m extremely lucky to find one in my city. But damn is it expensive. Right now I’m trying to meet and talk with people that have an ISF so I can gain some more knowledge on the car, stuff I can’t find on forums or yt videos. Sadly I’ve yet to meet someone but I’ll be going to a car event this Saturday (cars and coffee) and I’m hoping to meet some people there
For the same price, no contest the RCF. I've had both. You won't be able to find any clean ones for 30s. Usually really chipped out and clapped out/high mileage.
Clean ones with higher miles exist but you mostly run into clapped out modded ones for 30k I suspect in the next two years, it’ll be normal for RCFs to being in the 30k ballpark more often
I have a super clean 2011 isf. 2011 gets the updated interior with alcantara, no more ugly bulged infotainment physical controls, updated gauge cluster with digital and analog speedo. Blue book is 30k , already has ppe headers, JoeZ exhaust, intake, tune, ohlins coilovers. Clean title, paid off, zero accidents. 30k someone can leave with it right now. And you get the lsd.
Say it ain't so Tyler...😢.. why are you getting rid of it?.....BTW I think you can get more than 30K for it if you're patient but if you're in a rush I can understand the lower pricing
@@gabeh7373 a handful of life related things that persuaded me to sell it. Nothing negative, and not because I got bored with the car. I’d def get another one someday.
One thing with a 2 door cars is the length of the doors when getting in and out, they are big and long so you have to park very selective, had a 1982 firebird the doors are huge, have a 2011 ISF and love it very easy DD cheers.
Definitely the later interiors are nice, the isf has a terrible exhaust setup from front to back from factory, seems stupid to restrict it so much when it was in the m3 c63 bracket, also depending where you are it's not cheap to get the headers, & not easy to put them on. Both decent cars but I prefer isf.
I love the look and feel of the RCF and GSF modern and up to date, more power, more options ,more modes, and looks aggressive and newer and won't be mistaken for a base model, all that being said I still went with a 13 ISF when I had the choice of the 3 , but i still wouldn't mind picking up an RCF or GSF. Also I think the 2010's and up aren't any where close to being a harsh ride.
I have yet to find a RCF under 30k, they go for 36-45k normally. I seen one for 29k with 104k miles which is a lot. I really wanna pick one up for around $25k in the next month or two.
@@Louie_Rodriguez they remove hot air from the engine bay and slightly better aerodynamics. the Channels of these ducts lead into the engine compartment right to the firwall. there are 2 cutouts on each side. same as with the rcf
@@Louie_Rodriguez that’s why I didn’t get an rcF bc there’s no goddamn reason an exhaust should cost 15-30k when the same one cost 10k for a lambo. They think they’re the best Carson the road and charge way more for everything that’s nots even worth it
@@matthewwaldrup149welcome to obscure car tax. And unless you’re buying a full Novel exhaust you can get plenty of catbacks for a grand or two, and of course headers are also a grand or 2 depending on if you go cheapo OBX or PPE/American Racing. Still expensive compared to other platforms don’t get me wrong but again, obscure car tax :/ And most people with the money to afford these cars should have the money to afford modifying it lol.
@@matthewwaldrup149l have a 2015 RC F and l installed an Apexi N1 catback exhaust with resonators and l believe it was around $2100. The car sounds and runs awesome. The RC F was purpose built to run harder than any F car except the big one, the LFA. I have always liked the IS F and call it the original monster. When the IS F first hit the streets no one knew what it was, and couldn’t figure out how a Lexus was kicking that azz! I would still take the RC F any day of the week.
To the average person it’s a sleeper.. you only say that because you know what it is. Even the RCF to the average person is just a Lexus coupe. They don’t know
You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned how the ISF is analog. I find the 2is to very analog and tossable, where the newer “sporty” Lexus's seem boatier and more like luxury cruisers
Probably has something to do with the more aggressive gearing in the 2is as well
Thanks homie I really appreciate tht!
I owned both and the 2IS chassis is crp. Revisionist thinking make people forget the E92 M3 won every single comparison against the ISF. They tried to make the chassis better for the ISF, but like Chris Harris said, if you took out the V8, the ISF feels like 335 competitor. The 8:18 Nurburgring lap time tells the true story. . 2IS chassis is soft and flimsy with so much shuddering and cowl shake. The 3IS made it better, but RCF chassis according to Lexus officially is more than twice as stiff the 3IS chassis, which is improved over the 2IS chassis. The RCF is wider and lower so it takes 90 mph turns as if they were 40 mph. It masks speed as if it is not even fast while ISF feels a lot more strained at lower speeds. Numbers don't lie. The best skidpad test for RCF is 0.99g by Car And Driver compared to 0.92g for the ISF. You should watch hot lap review of illWillem on his channel who owns a track built ISF for time attacks and did a hotlap in a stock RCF
His conclusion. Objectively, RCF is superior in every way
Agreed. I owned both ISF and RCF CF/TVD. The whole thing and ISF and harshness is due to the very poorly designed 2IS chassis and lack of torsional rigidity. RCF chassis is like a brick. Does not flex at all so the suspension despite being stiff, is overwhelmed a lot less over imperfections. RCF rolls a lot less than the ISF because RCF is lower, wider and also has a stiff chassis. ISF feels harsh over bumps, but then when you throw it around a track, it rolls like crazy on stoxk suspension. RCF actually compete well initially in 2015 with the F30 M4 because even pro racing car drivers like Randy Pobs or Tiff Needel nearly ran even lap times in the F30 M4 and RCF
@@2ZZGE100 isf was a pretty low budget shoe horn job from factory, of course they improved other f's as they were specifically designed to be f cars rather than putting a v8 in an is250/350.
I only drive them on the street & prefer the sedan & just like the isf, for me if going for a performance car I wouldn't take either, but for a fun reliable, somewhat practical daily the isf suits
Hot take: GSF>
I saw one today on Lakewood ranch
On the east part of the US there's only 5 for sale and they are all listed for 40-55k range.
@@esu2537 gotta fly outta state maybe
Find me a solid one for 30k I’m on the first flight out lol
@@Sprizzy718 my friend just sold his for 24k
I had a 2015 RCF and now own a 2011 ISF. Trust me, the ISF is way better!! I love that car!!!
Why? It will help me decide what to get!😁
Why is the ISF better I’ve been having trouble deciding
I have an ISF and my buddy has an RCF. I only have intake and exhaust no headers yet, and lightwheels. He was stock. We were neck and neck on the highway 60 to 130.
RCF had a beautiful interior for sure. I love how the ISF so unassuming and raw though. People always stare because there aren't a lot and hear the v8. Love it.
Those mods don't make the car any faster than stock.
RCF is superior obviously as it is 10 years newer. I sold my 2011 with 60k miles for $35k and bought the 2016 CF/TVD RCF for $52K with 35k miles.The $30k RCF are badly maintained, accident and high mileage RCF. Clean and mint RCF are still at a minimum in high 40s. RCF feels like an evolution of the same concept where they had a proper budget to R&D everything and a skunkworks car like the ISF where the chief engineer was forced to use a flimsy 2IS chasdis. . I owned both of them and definitely RCF has the superior chassis a lot more rigid, better and more modern suspension and more modern technologies and also a lot more powerful and high revving engine. The ISF 2IS chassis is very flimsy and shudders everywhere whereas RCF under extreme tossing feels very composed and like a brick. RCF is faster on almost an of the tracks. The ISF is lighter and is a narrower taller car so it gives illusion of a smaller car. RCF also gets the TVD that makes it super nimble. ISF is also feels more raw compared to the sophisticated and advanced feel of the RCF
RCF is chunky AF though. Would love to hear how you measured frame flex
I got an ‘08 ISF about a year ago and its been awesome. Sound is insane (previous owner put on a HKS SSM exhaust) and it always turns heads when they hear the V8. I agree the ride is very rough, so I got some KW v3s to hopefully help reduce that harshness a bit. Great video, love seeing other ISFs out there!
I’m buying an isf this year 🙏🏼
That's awesome man, take a good care of it. My time is next year, can't wait!
Did u get it yet
i never see rcf for under 40k unless its super high miles, and or salvage title. they hold their value very well.
I’d sell mine for 36k , carbon package 67k miles clean title . LMK! 😂
I think the 2020+ RCFs will hold their value more than previous versions, because the front end is better styled and will attract more buyers. The GSF (IMO) is just too big for my taste, I'm not the Family Hauler demographic. 🙂 The ISF's ride is too rough for me personally, it's awesome on the track and canyons, but that's not where you'll be every day. When I went from my 2006 2nd Gen 350 to the 2016 3rd Gen 350 Fsport to the 2022 3rd Gen 500 FSP, the structural advances were quite noticeable with each. All are great cars and rare, but I'd say the 500 has a better blend of analog and modernization in one package. Thanks for posting!
Thank you for doing this! No one has done a comparison between the two like this that I've found.
Both great options. Out of the box, RCF is certainly more rigid, but with mods, the ICF can be tight too. Love the comparison.
Couldn’t own a pre facelift RCF . The update is just perfect
I have the exact same RCF color and inside beautiful car fast comfortable and decent on gas and space can fit 4 people comfortably
ISF is more special imo
And if you get the GROM VLINE for Apple Carplay on the stock screen then the interior doesn't feel that dated
I’ll look into that thank you!!!
for the price, the RCF has a lot more modern features and versatility. picking these up for 30-35k is an absolute steal. you can find ISF’s for around the 20k price range, but for an 08-09, i think for what you’re getting that’s too much. also the 2011+ ISF prices are insane, most are going for around 40k. the ISF will definitely increase in price over the years, but i can see the RCF shooting down to the 25-30k range soon.
RCFs will keep coming down man! I don’t doubt they’ll be in the mid 20s in the next year or so
I recently picked up a 14’ ISF for 48k yeah price is insane but I’ve always wanted one that was 2012+ and I know i probably could’ve gotten a use rcf for cheaper but I really like the ISF, also I like being a lowkey car and not having people constantly trying to race me on the road lol
@@Mexicannator 1 of 86 I believe for the 2014 right :0
@@Louie_Rodriguez yes sir, I’m extremely lucky to find one in my city. But damn is it expensive. Right now I’m trying to meet and talk with people that have an ISF so I can gain some more knowledge on the car, stuff I can’t find on forums or yt videos. Sadly I’ve yet to meet someone but I’ll be going to a car event this Saturday (cars and coffee) and I’m hoping to meet some people there
@@Mexicannator where do you live just curious
For the same price, no contest the RCF. I've had both. You won't be able to find any clean ones for 30s. Usually really chipped out and clapped out/high mileage.
Clean ones with higher miles exist but you mostly run into clapped out modded ones for 30k I suspect in the next two years, it’ll be normal for RCFs to being in the 30k ballpark more often
@@Louie_Rodriguezthat’s not a fair comparison, if you wait every 2-4 months a really good price 2010+ isf comes on the market 20-28k
I have a super clean 2011 isf. 2011 gets the updated interior with alcantara, no more ugly bulged infotainment physical controls, updated gauge cluster with digital and analog speedo. Blue book is 30k , already has ppe headers, JoeZ exhaust, intake, tune, ohlins coilovers. Clean title, paid off, zero accidents. 30k someone can leave with it right now. And you get the lsd.
Say it ain't so Tyler...😢.. why are you getting rid of it?.....BTW I think you can get more than 30K for it if you're patient but if you're in a rush I can understand the lower pricing
@@gabeh7373 I sold it almost 2 months ago. 28k on the stock wheels 99k miles.
Why did you sell it? Just curious...
@@gabeh7373 a handful of life related things that persuaded me to sell it. Nothing negative, and not because I got bored with the car. I’d def get another one someday.
One thing with a 2 door cars is the length of the doors when getting in and out, they are big and long so you have to park very selective, had a 1982 firebird the doors are huge, have a 2011 ISF and love it very easy DD cheers.
Definitely the later interiors are nice, the isf has a terrible exhaust setup from front to back from factory, seems stupid to restrict it so much when it was in the m3 c63 bracket, also depending where you are it's not cheap to get the headers, & not easy to put them on.
Both decent cars but I prefer isf.
I love the look and feel of the RCF and GSF modern and up to date, more power, more options ,more modes, and looks aggressive and newer and won't be mistaken for a base model, all that being said I still went with a 13 ISF when I had the choice of the 3 , but i still wouldn't mind picking up an RCF or GSF. Also I think the 2010's and up aren't any where close to being a harsh ride.
Thanks for sharing homie! I think I can agree with you 🤝🏻
Love them both plus IS500 😊
RCF the extra doors on the GSF or ISF freak me tf out! 😂 But buy much respect to all Lexus F cars
2013 / 2014 ISF are the best ISF years. It’s also the first F ever made so it’s got that title
I have yet to find a RCF under 30k, they go for 36-45k normally. I seen one for 29k with 104k miles which is a lot. I really wanna pick one up for around $25k in the next month or two.
You CANT find any 30k I looked for a full year never seen one that low
Be better off buying a E9x m3
Mine has 113k. Saw on guy on the forum with 170k on his RCF last year. Don’t want to let this thing go lol
The RCF is a clear winner for me if you don't have a family that rides around with you.
The like the aggressive of the RCF can’t lie but a 4 door performance V8 just does it for me
RCF no question.
Rcf. I had an ISF but RCF Is better
ISF = raw
Isf all day long. 2010 or newer
You speak very well!
@@zaih13_ thx 👍🏻
RCF screw the money life‘s too short, believe me!!!
I have an 08 ISF and absolutely love it but also wish I could afford the RCF.
does anyone know how many years they stopped building ISF?(2012)?
@@mesutdegerli2189 2014 was the last model year for the ISF but only 86 were built for the United States I believe
the ducts on the ISF are functional aswell
Are they!? What do they do I was told they weren’t functional
@@Louie_Rodriguez they remove hot air from the engine bay and slightly better aerodynamics. the Channels of these ducts lead into the engine compartment right to the firwall. there are 2 cutouts on each side. same as with the rcf
Really no way this entire time I thought they were not functional!!!
Isf all the way
I care about interior so RCF
ISF
Integra S
Ill keep my ISF
Lc500
You can’t afford an
Exhaust for them other than muffler delete
Well yeah it’s expensive 🤣
@@Louie_Rodriguez that’s why I didn’t get an rcF bc there’s no goddamn reason an exhaust should cost 15-30k when the same one cost 10k for a lambo. They think they’re the best Carson the road and charge way more for everything that’s nots even worth it
@@matthewwaldrup149welcome to obscure car tax. And unless you’re buying a full Novel exhaust you can get plenty of catbacks for a grand or two, and of course headers are also a grand or 2 depending on if you go cheapo OBX or PPE/American Racing. Still expensive compared to other platforms don’t get me wrong but again, obscure car tax :/ And most people with the money to afford these cars should have the money to afford modifying it lol.
@@matthewwaldrup149l have a 2015 RC F and l installed an Apexi N1 catback exhaust with resonators and l believe it was around $2100. The car sounds and runs awesome. The RC F was purpose built to run harder than any F car except the big one, the LFA. I have always liked the IS F and call it the original monster. When the IS F first hit the streets no one knew what it was, and couldn’t figure out how a Lexus was kicking that azz! I would still take the RC F any day of the week.
The isf is NOT a sleeper stop calling it that.
When people confuse it for an is250 constantly…..I think its worthy of that title
@@Louie_Rodriguez they look nothing like each other.
@@matthewwaldrup149 the isf looks a bit more beefed up but the similarities are there
@@matthewwaldrup149 I agree the moment you see at ISF you can tell it’s not a IS250/350
To the average person it’s a sleeper.. you only say that because you know what it is. Even the RCF to the average person is just a Lexus coupe. They don’t know
Neither, get G70 3.3T it's faster and better
Although those are cool, a big V8 is all the hype
@@Louie_Rodriguez G70 doesn't have a V8. It's a twin turbo V6. Also did you liked your own comment?🤣
@@i.d.6492 I never said it had a V8…
There’s no replacement for displacement my friend and yes I liked my own comment :)
@@Louie_Rodriguez if you talking about is500 than yeah it's better but is350 nah
@@i.d.6492 this I can agree with
iSF is waht I got. And I got it because you eo t see them very often on the road
IS 500