I'm Desperate to Get Off Suboxone
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- Опубликовано: 8 дек 2021
- In this video, Dr Peter Coleman, who is Board-certified in Addiction Medicine and in long-term recovery himself, shares his thoughts on getting off of buprenorphine.
-Safe, Comfortable Outpatient Detox
The Coleman Institute for Addiction Medicine has been a leading outpatient addiction treatment center since 1998. Our innovative withdrawal management programs, often referred to as The Coleman Method, have helped thousands of people free themselves from addiction to Alcohol, Opioids, and Benzodiazepines. Originally founded in Richmond, Virginia, our network has expanded to cover 14 cities across the US.
-3 - 8 Day Opioid Detoxification Process
For short-acting opiates like oxycodone, most patients complete their detox and begin Naltrexone therapy within 5 days. Longer-acting opiates like Suboxone and Methadone typically take 8 days. Our standard opioid treatment package in Richmond, VA and Wellesley, MA includes the detox and 6 months of case management and Naltrexone therapy. As a non-addictive opioid blocker, Naltrexone dramatically reduces cravings so that patients can focus on their recovery. We have a 98% success rate for completing detoxification and starting Naltrexone therapy. During the detox, we work with patients and their families to develop an appropriate aftercare plan. We also offer a convenient, 3-day outpatient alcohol detox and a Rapid Benzodiazepine Detox.
-Caring, Empathetic Environment
Dr. Peter Coleman understands first-hand the challenges our patients are facing due to his own personal struggle with the disease of addiction. He has been in long term recovery since 1984. Dr. Coleman has dedicated his career to treating addiction patients and creating a team and an environment conducive to long term recovery for his patients.
-For more information, please call us at 888-788-5474 or visit us at www.thecolemaninstitute.com
Been taking 8mg for 8 years and I stopped 5 days ago… smoking helps, but the lack of sleep is creepily similar to WD from H/pills the jerks and shakes at night time hurt but once you get through it it’ll all be worth it.. ready to be off everything. Wish y’all all the best 💪🏽
Bro, I was taking 24-28 mg per day for at least 3 years. I cut down to 1 like 3 months ago then 1/2 per day for the past couple weeks. I finally woke up today without any single piece. I am 24 hours in to being subutex free and I know it's going to suck. I am just looking for all the info on supplements I can find to try to help. How you doing today>
@@Mike-hn4uu how are you? I am once again on 24 hrs sober from subs for like the 10 time i know relapse is a part of it but dam i am done with it i am so tired of this crap i dont feel well off of it and i dont feel well on it but i definitely feel better off of it than i do on it especially the longer i go last time was almost 6,months this time its for good!
Keep it up fellas. I’m 5 weeks off and feel great now.. the sleep got better after 3-4 weeks in my case. Finally starting to feel “normal” can’t believe it took me so long to get off that shit but as many close cases I’ve had with opiates it was my last crutch and finally free from it as well. It served a purpose but I can’t see taking subs long term is beneficial.
I've been taking 8mg for one week...it has obviously helped with opiate withdrawals, but now I'm worried about the horror stories I hear about coming off Suboxone...I'm under a Dr.'s care, but how long would you guys think I need to be on it(Suboxone) before withdrawals would become a problem?
@@rebelmetal4233get off now
wow i could never imagined that one day i'll be viewing those clips while im clean!! nothing , i take nothing at all and i sleep like a baby !thaks god if i can do it , you can do it tooo ! good luck everybody
That is fantastic, M Ki1! Thanks for sharing your success. Best wishes to you!
@@thecolemaninstituteforaddi6234 thank you
Thanks !
@@mki1104ow long did the most severe suboxone withdrawal symptoms last?
hello what I did was tapering . There are many videos about it. The first week can be tough - you may feel like crap and have trouble sleeping, but it's not as hard as it seems(listen to music,try to walk outside.....). Trust me, I feel like a different person now. I don't like to talk much about this subject without any meaning or sense. i hope the best for you, beleive me man just take the decision to stop and the rest is easy! saludos
People who's never been addicted think it's so easy to get clean. That all you have to do is quit. You'll only been sick a couple of days. But tell me... when you're sick do you not take medicine to help you get better? What if they're was a little pill that could take that sickness away in minutes? It'll make you feel well again.. would you not take it?
As long as you have the access to take your sickness away, it will make it nearly impossible to get clean. Now how do you do about getting clean when you have a family, a job, a home, bills? What if you can't take the time you need to get clean because if you do you lose everything? What does that person do? Suboxone isn't help. It isn't the way to go and it will forever be the biggest regret of countless lives always remembering the day they made the terrible decision to get "help" because that help wasn't help. It was a gimic pulled by big pharma and we fell for it at our biggest time of need. So many were grateful at first but when they realize it's 10 years later and they're still dependent and they try to quit but they can't because that pain is so intense and they're going to lose everything they've worked for... it's at that moment they learn the truth. They've been scammed. They fell for a lie. They were betrayed by those they came to in their time of need and all they saw was a dollar sign.
Modern society makes me sick
Completely agree
And unfortunate truth. I have been trying to get off this shit for 8 years. My addiction days are way behind me but I just can’t afford to be completely disabled for 5 weeks
@@robertworton2394 you're saying for me to get off Suboxone I need 5 weeks of detox?
I take a small dose and wish to just not having to take it
I’ve moved on from the addiction piece & for that I’m grateful to have found suboxone.
I have a wife and kid (my kid is going to be 10 in November) and I’ve been plenty sober since before he was born. I get that it only takes one time and all that - but the desire has been completely lifted. Not sure what else to say about that.
As far as the Suboxone - there’s got to be a better way that just tapering. These docs know that! There really does.
If not, then I’ll go through whatever it is I have to go through. But I’m tired of every doc giving me the same old speech - saying “you gotta taper down,” with (really) little to no further support than that. It’s criminal & sad.
To anyone reading this - just know I’m praying for you. Keep your head up & do your best. When it’s your time - seize it. No one else will help or make you do it.
Or to put it a different way & in the immortal words of Mr. Winston Churchill:
“Never, never,…never give up!”
Good luck & Godspeed friends!
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Suboxone robs my soul. that's why I want to get off. I would rather die than live like this forever to be honest
And the medical community say that it's a life saver. Guess by now you have broken free from the clutches of the subs. As for me I'm planning to switch to subs with great trepidation to beat my heroin addiction. Just can't handle the withdrawal agony.
@@limayaden8458 Suboxone is an amazing life-saving medication. I have nothing bad to say about it. You will become normal again once you come off suboxone. The detox is not really that bad either. Suboxone is great for addiction. And I would definitely rather be on Suboxone and then die like I said in the previous comment a year ago
@@limayaden8458 my recommendation is if you're going to go on Suboxone long-term get to 2 mg, if you need to start at a higher dose make sure you get on that and then taper yourself down to 2 mg. Anybody can taper down to 2 mg easily. I noticed that all the bad side effects definitely subsided when you got down to 2 mg versus like 6 or 8 mg. 2 mg is worth equivalent to 40 mg of oxycodone to put it in perspective and 8 mg is 160 mg of oxycodone, also 8 mg is equivalent to 60 mg of methadone
yup i feel the same way as of right now ive been on 8mg strips for about 10 years now i lost all my back bottom molars in my mouth and im just so sick and tired of it controlling my entire day/life im currently working a 9-5 5 days a week and i only take it when i get home but i find it near impossible to start the taper because of how run down i am already from working its like i would need 6 months to a year of no worries to work on my mental health and get off suboxone but that isnt happening anytime soon i wish i got off it during covid. im so over it
Suboxone no doubt saved my life. It made it possible to get clean w/o getting sick. That said, I’ve been opiate free for over ten years and I just don’t want to be dependent on anything.
I'm not sure what you mean. Suboxone is an opioid. Are you taking it, or were you able to withdraw from Suboxone too?
Yea it might save lives but it turns you into a zombie you don't laugh or cry its like living a generic life SUBOXONE is more addictive than heroin and harder to get off of
So I’ve been on 1-2 mg a day ..sometimes i skip.ready to be on nothing I can’t wait suboxone is my only vice now
The hardest mental game like I just got tired of depending on that crap because what happens is you stay stuck
Amen 🙏 well said ! I realized that I had in an invisible hand cuffs when I went on vacation for 30 days and the doc gave me 2 weeks worth of subs I was telling my self what the hell did I do to my self ! I’m not free as ppl say sober yes but not free and that’s when I grew some ⚽️ ⚽️ and got off them ! I’m so happy that I can say I’m back to the old me now
Sober -clean- free
@@MemyselfI-tt9ucplz share how you got off them.
I hear Suboxone and methadone are similar so im going to put my experience here. I was on methadone for 10 years and took my last dose on July 15. It was so scary not knowing what was ahead. I did have pretty intense acute withdrawal for a month or so, sneezing, runny nose, chills, body aches, stomach pain, diarrhea, and insomnia. After that first acute stage, those symptoms faded. I still have trouble sleeping and seem to have low energy levels but I have adjusted to less sleep without it stopping my everyday life. Now there are days i still feel some lingering symptoms, mood is down, anxious, but its not everyday. Seems to come in a cluster of a few days and then lift again. I knew i had to do this eventually and time was going to pass regardless. I decided to use the time and get clean. Please don't let it scare you to never getting off of that's what you really want to do. God's blessings.
I have been on sub for 8 years. I have never been so stable and ready to be fully clean. I don’t drink or smoke…. I do nothing except suboxone. I’m married with 4 kids and the only thing I feel like is a bother in my life is suboxone. I’m scared though. I’m scared to get off and for my brain and body to go back normal and what that will look like.
I feel u 100% been 2 yrs for me and no benzos or opiates otherwise in about 2.5 yrs and im so ready and close to being off the subs but im kinda worried too like once its gone and im just “raw dogging reality” and dint have the accountability of the urine tests and my father finding out if i lose a carry and gotta go more often that I may relapse. I figure even if I do ive learned so much that I could never just fully dive in and fully endulge day after day just thinking ah ill worry about withdrawal and dependence some other day bc i feel too good. That mentality burned me way too many times for me to ever be ok w letting Myself do it again i feel. 🤷♂️
Don't be scared. Jumping off was the scariest part because I just didn't know how my body was going to respond. I was on methadone for 10 years and got off July 15. Sleep and low energy is the only thing that bothers me now 100+ days later. Times gonna go by regardless so I figured I might as well use that time to my advantage. The worst physical withdrawal was over in about a month. It lessens after that but the lingering issues with sleep and energy levels stay longer. I promise you though it's doable. My body has adjusted to less sleep and I still can do my daily activities.
I got off Suboxone, it only works well if you don't have to worry about relapses anymore. So if your set straight on a drug free life
I agree it only works if you want to get off.
It did save my life. I’m 61 y/o and constitutionally incapable of being honest with myself.
Very glad to hear that, Christ Follower! Buprenorphine is a powerful and proven medication for treating Opioid Use Disorder, along with methadone and naltrexone. These 3 prescription drugs all save lives.
I just read your comment aloud and wow. Very honest about not being honest. I get it. Sounds like something I read in AA. Anyways congratulations Christ Follower and possibly fellow friend of Bill, on saving your own keyster.
@@michaellindsay7693 Indeed. Blessings!!
I mean I hear you but what's killing me at this point is being on the Suboxone. Physically I look exactly like I did 7 years ago when I put the needle down. I'm 5'8 and barely 100 lb. Suboxone has disrupted my hunger signals, it has crushed my appetite and has taken away almost all desire for food. I am absolutely miserable I am trapped. I've been on Suboxone 7 years and I honestly don't think I'll make it to 8. This medication has legs. Any attempt to lower my dose has been for nothing. Just keeps me in a cycle of constant withdrawal.
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Ok, it was gluten 😭 BUT the levels of Suboxone in my blood just wasn't stable enough as I would feel wd symptoms upon waking. I switched to strips and now I'm only on sublicate shot.
It really does mess with mine and my friends appetite as well. We barely ate. I've been off subs for two months and gained at least 15 pounds already. Always hungry.
Okay LOL turns out it was a gluten intolerance BUT I was able to switch to strips instead of tabs and I am all around in a much better way. Even putting on some weight. And my appetite is huge I can't stop craving candy and ice cream haha
Well it's been another year and I hope all is good? Have you thought about trying the sublocade shot?
@@youdontmatter2737 haha! YES! Month 3. I survived last year and in comparison, now I feel worlds away from where I was emotionally and physically. Thanks for the check in, that's so thoughtful
@@youdontmatter2737how does that shot work? And do you know if it’s as hard to get off of as Subutex?
Most people I know that are on suboxone have been stuck on it for almost 20 years, including myself. I've lost all weight, I'm too skinny, I sleep too much, I always feel sick anyways, and I have lost ALL OF MY TEETH even though I had good oral hygiene. These doctors get checks for every prescription they fill, vacations, cars, and they have you stuck on it so patient FOR LIFE. ITS SICK. 🤮 TAKE KRATOM
Exactly. I have to constantly drink water because my mouth is so dry. If these people think I’m getting a cavity over taking Oxycodone they are nuts
losing teeth has absolutely nothing to do with suboxone , thats actually only methadone and other drugs haha maybe you should stop blaming suboxone for losing your teeth when you didnt brush them anyway an did alot of actual drugs.
It saves lives but 10 x harder to get off. With drawls up to a month followed up with 1 year of depression & anxiety. Suboxone is a synthetic opiate. So when your really to get off drugs then detox 3-5 days an work a program with a support system that works for you. When you stop suboxone it’s like comming off drugs. But 10 worse and takes longer then drugs.
I agree it's 3-4x longer than detoxing from H
It's criminal that more people are not aware of the benefits of Vitamin C for withdrawal relief. I have kicked SUB several times using it (and Loperimide & Magnesium.)
5 years my life is saved by suboxone and these words were by far the most accurate i have ever heard!
I don't know if sublucade is the same but after 15 years of pain pills and 13 years of suboxone I want off everything.sublucade did it with a monthly shot for 5 months.its been 6 months and I'm so happy not going to a doctors once a month for suboxone.
No free lunch. Still has withdrawal.
Does the shot hurt?
Pain management and failing Drug test is how I became familiar with this medication from methadone and Percocet to Suboxone it’s just about the same for killing pain as the other .
I'm still getting off Suboxone
I'm in my third day of acute withdrawal and it feels different than the standard opiate withdrawal, it's hard but I'm going to make it... It was making me very aggressive and I was having nausea and indigestion, vomiting up my dinner completely undigested in the morning and I just couldn't anymore, I believe the pain that I'm going through right now should be enough to have me steer clear of any opiates anymore. I'm glad they all make me feel sick now
I feel the withdrawal is different too. Not nearly as psychological as getting off opiates. Weed, edibles, tinctures work wonders when u need to eat or feel anxious
@@johnprevite6673 I agree so much I took a couple of Xanax the first two days but that was for rest and appetite I couldn't manage to get anything down not even water so I had to.
Good on you buddy. Hang in there. It’s hard but worth the truck.
@@bobobrien8968 thanks for the support
Using CBD has helped me alot
It helps to restore order in your body and mind.
I don't "crave" any longer. The anxiety comes when I don't have it. I know that can be seen as a craving, but it's just withdrawal. I have a great relationship, a kid on kid on way, decent job, and I have been in a blacksmithing apprenticeship almost a year. The subs are what's the issue. They did help me, but now I dread the days. I feel like I did when I was at my low with heroin. Naltrexone worries me too. I know it's a lab made substance, and I was using "kitchen chemistry" made heroin before, (oxymoronish) but yeah... I've heard of infections and other horror stories about it.
Are the bad effects of naltrexone as bad as the hype?
Desomorphine?
I agree but Suboxone is also huge fricken DEMON! HORRIBLE STUFF TO GET STUCK ON.
Devil 😈
I’m posting this in hopes when I read it my body will be rid of this drug.
Idc about the relapse rate. You have to get off Suboxone. That stuff absolutely sucks the life out of you. What’s the point of living if just to be a walking zombie everyday.
Ive been on it for 10 years thats why i want off. Its good for short term use thats it. It is handcuffs.
I've been out at 7 years, but think God I am down to almost a quarter of a milligram .25 mg each day
@@seekingfreedom9020hey man have you gotten off of it completely yet? Can you update me?
@@danielc1592 yep, came off September 3 2022
Please help me I have been trying to find a rapid detox to force it out so I don’t have withdrawal. I have a cleaning business and I don’t have time to be sick. I had several surgeries that had me on pain meds for 2 years I was sent to a dr for suboxone as a Guinea pig I have been on suboxone for 12 years I have gone into debt paying for it from doctors, paying for new teeth as it caused dental issues I have no sex drive it changes my mood . I also have been on adderall for the same amount of time and it caused me to have blood pressure issues where I have migraines daily. I have tried so many ways to stop and doing it all the right way. I have taken pill naltaxone but nothing works I am so sick each time. I have so many responsibilities and no time to be sick . Is there a rapid detox that I can be asleep and wake up not sick? I’m so over taking this crap it’s ruining my life
Hi The Rabbit and Lab Best Friends-Sorry to hear about your bumpy journey. There are options for detoxing that provide relative comfort for most people, but some people have a tougher time than others, based on usage history, age, other health conditions, genetics, etc. Ultra Rapid Detox using general anesthesia is one option, but it brings all the risks associated with anesthesia, can be extremely stressful on the body, and isn’t covered by most (any?) commercial insurers in the US, who tend to consider it experimental or not medically necessary. We have developed an outpatient detox
process that seems to thread the needle with a very high completion rate for detoxing while using sedation short of general anesthesia and a customized suite of comfort medications to address any symptoms that may arise. We’ve used this method with over 9,000 patients over the past 20 years with good results, and we are in-network with Blue Cross Blue Shield, Humana, Optima, Tufts, and Beacon Health Options among others. If you want to learn more, please call us at 888-788-5474 or visit TheColemanInstitute.com. Best wishes to you!
suboxone does not cause dental issues it was all the other drugs you did buddy,.
Been on it since 2016 and for so long I wanted to get off of this and still do but I’m worried the withdrawals from being on it so long is going to be really bad. I’m still on a high dosage and the doctors don’t want to taper down if you can believe it! Someone like me should not be on 3 a day for this long and that’s another problem but I made my mind up and it’s time.Wish me luck it’s going to be a long journey from here.
It’s a lotta mental shit and you have to be willing to be ready to get off you can’t just get off but I did it cold turkey I can only say that I asked God help me God help me and I’ve been good I don’t have Temptations to go get it I don’t have Temptations to go get drugs it’s only been October 20 21
Help me
My faith is gonna help me through this as well... That's the real secret!!!
Amen!
If doctors truly cared about saving people's lives that write Suboxone they wouldn't charge $150 or more per month cash only. Yes it does save peoples lifes that are bad off but there are doctors out there like mine that has left me on it for well over a decade. I added it up and I'll spent about $50,000 cash since I've started. Imagine what I could have done without money otherwise.
I was on 16mg a day..have lowered it by 2mg every 3 months..am now at 4mg...gained weight feel like crap and have started drinking again..should I raise my dose back up?
Taking daily suboxone killed my testosterone
Dr Coleman what do you think of using gavapenting to help with withdrawal??
gabapentin..and yes it works wonders
What does this doctor think about switching to subcade?
It's so hard on my head like I feel mental wen I'm on it. I'm on 12ml nd I feel fucking mental like methadone didn't make me this mad. Injection smack didn't make me feel as mad. I take saboxon and 3 D10 blue valum nd I cut the saboxon out I'm on 5th day but man I can't sleep I'm going through it big time.
Is there a long acting naltrexone program like what you offer available in Australia?
Hi Josie-We’re not aware of a program in Australia that uses this technique to transition people over to long-acting naltrexone. Our offices are all in the US currently.
@@thecolemaninstituteforaddi6234 Waaaaaahhhh!!!!
how would he know?
Where can I go to get evaluation for getting off Suboxone. I haven't used any type of drugs for 10 yrs. I am tired 😫 of talking this.
If im on suboxone. Long term why should I get off it it there any medical reasons I should...Does it hurt anything long term...It has been way better than a 20 year methedone addiction...I would like some reasons why I should get off. Thank you for Your videos.
Hi Andrew-If it is working for you and enabling you to live a happy and productive life , there is no reason to get off of it. Thank you for your question.
it destroys lives long term, weather the subs lie to you or not.
I know why I was on that kind of stuff because I was around nothing but mental and physical abuse abandonment isolation neglect psychologically like I’m not around that kind of stuff no more
If i ben using subs for a week and half 8mg will it be bad getting off it or since I haven’t ben on it long it shouldnt be a problem ? Plz some one respond
I see it’s been 5 months since you left your comment. I pray you were able to get off the subs shortly after? The longer you’re on them the worse the w/d are. At least in my experience it’s been that way. I’ve been on them over 10 years now & I’m literally petrified to try to get off them because my life over the last 10 years has gotten better & better. I am married with 3 children so going into w/d after being off the hard stuff this long is terrifying. I hope you’re doing well!
Lol “pot” actually helps tremendously getting off suboxone
Couldn't agree more man. Cannabis is a miracle medicine.
It helps with the appetite and you can't under state enough how important it is to eat while detoxing Suboxone but most negate it.
@@slimeoxygen8267 Most people who quit suboxone are nauseous and can't eat normally so that's not an option for me lol
@@AbnormalityTVyeah but it's still super important to eat? It makes you feel better after you did, so pot helps.
@@theirishaxe9405 have you ever tried it??? Anxiety and being paranoid are two different things lol usually flower cures Anxiety. Try a different strain
Well lease I didn't relapse from my drug of choice I'm still clean from heroin 22months and I'm proud of me. And as from crack it's been 3years since I relapse from that so I'm good and forget about Subs that ain't no difference is still a drug and they want you on it.
I’m not taking any other drug after I get off. Mainly because its to expensive and my family has went with less so I can pay for suboxone long enough. I don’t really get cravings I just mentally can’t handle long term wds I have no energy, no feeling of happiness, and little sleep, for months on end. That will drive a man crazy and considering I’m married with a child that cannot happen. Iv been on suboxone for 5 years now. I feel trapped .
i was using heroine for a few years.. then hopped on suboxone for a few weeks and then ditched the suboxone and i was clean... i used the subs to avoid the overwhelming misery of the withdraws, but i failed in the span of things because i got off of everything so fast.. that i hadnt given myself enough time to form new habits and truly recover.. but i did things the way i did because i didnt wanna become addicted to the subs.. and it worked technically .. but because i hadnt actually dealt with the psychology aspect of it.. about 2 weeks later.. i went and got right back on the heroine.. so now...i need a job terribly and i cant get one because im on this shit again.. and even though i would be able to work just fine and hold down a job perfectly i wouldnt be able to pass any drug test i was given to get said job.. so now im panicking a little.. i found a person that i can buy subs from because buying them the right way costs WAAAAYYY too much!! Its disgusting how hard it is to just get good help in the US medically.. especially for drug abuse.. its just a damn shame. Ive looked everywhere online for a way to get free suboxone and they all want so much money.. cheapest ive found would be around $150 dollars.. and its embarrassing to say this.. but i just dont have it.. :( .. wish me luck .. im gunna need it..
I NEED HELP.!!! I'm desperate to get 📴 Suboxone,Why? bc I've been clean off street drugs for many years and after being clean for 20 years I relapse than after that relapse I stayed clean 13months n after 13th months I relapse again now I've been clean 3months WHAT A WASTE, I won't say it won't happen again but I can say My mind is made up not to run to that, forget a quick fix. it's not that I'm tempted or I was craving for it, it's because I've been in the house isolated for so so long and I became very bored I'M VERY ANGRY AT MYSELF I CRIED 24-HOURS MY EYES We're PUFFY THEN A HEADACHE CAME FOR SO MUCH CRYING, I'M OVER IT NOW BUT I CAN'T WIN MYSELF I JUST CAN'T I DON'T KNOW HOW TO IT'S NOT WORKING FOR ME I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY SAY IT'S A BLOCKER BECAUSE YOU STILL CAN FEEL THE STREET DRUGS.😢
check into a rehab after detox..its that simple youre looking for a quick an painless fix and its not on youtube an it doesnt work that way. you gotta put the work in.
I must have tried to quit 100 ,no cap it’s a working progress one day you just look around at all the normal ppl and decide you’ve had enough of earning money to constantly put that crap into your body which is slowly killing you,lady H she’s always there when your low I get that totally but there’s alot more in life that can take it’s place like when your feelings/drive comes back you can work on family or girls,subutex is good to come away from street drugs and stabilise but takes snot of getting used to first 5 days or so,totally worth it good luck 🤞you can allways take a ibuprofen to help the aches too but obviously take no more than packet says for no longer than 3 days consecutively
Maybe the headache is from the blocker pushing out heroin lol from experience
My main goal for getting off Suboxone is just to feel normal. I’ve heard from several people on long acting Naltrexone that it blocks any feel good endorphins - from working out or sexual excitement or motivation to do fun things. The whole point of me getting off Suboxone after being trapped for 8 years is to feel normal - so can someone explain how Naltrexone has helped them? I’ve heard from some that low dose Naltrexone helps by healing the receptors that have been changed by years of being plugged by Suboxone. Any thoughts on this? I have absolutely no desire to use ever again, especially opioids, I’m done with that. My main concern is just getting back to normal and feeling good again. I’ve felt horrible on this and Gabapentin for 8 years now, and I’m wondering if an SSRI would be a better option in the future compared to Vivitrol.
Obviously I want to wait and see if I can get by without something like that, but I’m willing to try it. Psychedelic therapy changed my entire attitude about drug use, now I just want to get back to a somewhat decent baseline of sobriety without any mind altering medications or drugs.
Yh that was corrrct in my case too so I stopped
It's all about control
I’m having high liver enzymes the meds are affecting me severely that’s why!!!
There’s enormous fear of the future in people with long-term sobriety on Suboxone. As we age, painful joints etc come along. How is chronic pain managed in the Suboxone / naltrexone community? NSAIDS often aren’t enough & S8’s will be blocked (I think?). Also, there’s the continual stigma associated with people on MAT that their pain isn’t real. I agree with staying on MAT but when the day for residential care comes along, will MAT continue? What happens in a palliative care situation - will morphine work? I guess people who’ve kicked the habit just want an uncomplicated future.
Thanks for your posts, they’re always very informative.
One can only hope you do suffer. They aren't helping people with pain right now who've never abused anything and have no problems controlling themselves. Maybe they'll stumble back on to something that works again after helping those who would not help themselves or others.
@B L thanks for your informative comment. I’m so sorry that you’re suffering so much now. Very best of luck with your spine.
How do you get naltraxone ?
Hi Austin-Oral naltrexone is widely available by prescription. We’ve found that long-acting formulations of naltrexone-either Vivitrol or a naltrexone implant-are much more effective than oral because they remove a daily choice from the equation. You can find Vivitrol providers at Vivitrol.com. We have offices in 10 states that also offer naltrexone implants. You can find more info at www.TheColemanInstitute.com.
Where are you located?
Hi Gail-We have 14 offices across the country. Please call us at 888-788-5474 for more details. Best wishes!
Try going down to a sixteenth a day and then swich to kratom
Tbh even if ur taking subs fentanyl gets u high regardless for me thats what it would do
The answer is life and death. Stay on Suboxone stay a zombie. It seems like sublocade is the best answer at this point.
I need info on quiting Suboxone and gabapentin. I would rather be on gabapentin. But then I don't want another addiction. Does sleeping pills help in anyway... Can someone help !!!
Kratom will help but don't trade them for one another. Start low at 1 to 2 grams and only use for about a week max. You'll sleep and eat. It'll not be pain-free in the end but it'll be worth it.
Hi David Champine--We have developed an 8-day outpatient detox specifically to help folks transition from buprenorphine or methadone over to long-acting formulations of naltrexone. We've helped hundreds of people through this process and made a lot of improvements along the way. We use small doses of naltrexone to speed up the withdrawal process without precipitating full withdrawal. We also customize a set of comfort medications to help manage any symptoms that do appear. When we've surveyed our patients, most of them report that their detox using the Coleman Method was easier and more comfortable that other approaches they have tried. Hope that helps!
get a script of gabs from your doctor, its the least of the evil's otherwise you will get stuck again. you can get off gabs ten times easier then any other drug out there. even kratom
The truth is simple and it is that if you would tell anyone ANY of the same things about Kratom you can say it for this and vice versa. You wouldn't say this about kratom? Well there you go then.
YES people need to get off it the real problem here is that the longer you're on it the deeper in the addiction you get. The problem with doctors is they want to draw this arbitrary distinction between drugs and medication. So far as they care this is a med--it isn't. It's a drug. It's a drug I once abused when I was 19 years old. You might as well tell people the same fucking thing about getting off of clonazepam, or getting off of cocaine, or getting off of Kratom or Marijuana. I'm trusting doctors less and less the more I see these videos on YT honestly, the fact is docs and drug companies make money off this and not dillies or Kratom. Yeah Diluadid can kill if you're being sufficiently reckless, I get that. And this isn't a miracle cure. I wouldn't prescribe bupe for anxiety or PTSD or alcoholism. You can easily read between the lines why this is not idea, the same way doing Kratom for 8 years is not ideal. Yet I've heard docs and health professionals attacking kratom and trying to treat it like an opiate, then drawing a line with methadone or suboxone. Personally I feel as though bupe is a really bad weapon of last resort for H and T addiction, or Oxy or hydromorphone or something sufficiently serious. Especialyl true when the alternative is literally risking fentalogue overdose. However. I'm sorry doc your literal exact same line of reasoning is literally applicable to taking Norcos. So what if a guy is stable, he should wait until he has a girl, a stable job, feels stable is in a good place to stop taking 40mg of hydrocodone a day? Really? No. And I'll tell you why any Pt. should be tapered asap, is because this is hard as shit to kick and you'll want to kill yourself being trapped on something extra that at least wanting to die from heroin withdrawal is over with eventually, the reason benzo WDs is so scary to me and why I don't want to fuck with that is it takes freaking months. It can take you one to four months to kick bupe, then have PAWS.
I wish more doctors would be from our own ranks frankly. Our lives are not a textbook. And it should be treated like what it truly is at the end of the day, an addicting and possibly dangerous drug that's near impossible to quit and comes with its own risks and drawbacks. I consider buprenorphine both more dangerous and more addicting than Kratom. IIRC both have SSRI activity which makes both complicated treatments, while I do appreciate the bind doctors are in for where you really can't even officially recommend shit like Ginkgo extract and are sort of forced by the system to recommend proscribed treatment courses (i.e. things that benefit the drug industry and impact the insurance companies as little as possible) the end state should always be the goal worked towards, which is to quit. ANYTHING that gets treated as lifetime maintenance is frankly bullshit to me. You should be learning to cope and getting cognitive and behavioural tools to deal better. I don't want to share mine here to make myself identifiable but I developed a battery of non-chemical solutions to things like anxiety and panic attacks and they work. You need a non-chemical toolkit and doing the inner work to take yourself from the hopelessness of being an addict to being drug free, and for many of us that is a battery of substances that needs being cleared out often one at a time (or sometimes a cluster if you can inpatient detox, probably after a long bender like hitting that meth pipe and doing dope and benzos and shots until you wind up forced to treatment). The goal should be as little drug as humanly possible. Otherwise you might as well throw in the towel and be saying that well, the founder of John Hopkins was a morphine addict and he spent his whole life a functional drug addict who only had problems when he tried to quit morphine so I guess being addicted to morphine longterm is ok. And that's the reason it isn't, it's the same with Valium or hell even coffee and Kratom, the longer which you are on something, the longer that shit takes to clear out including by your psychological habit and lack of behavioural toolbox. This is my problem with longterm BMT and it's what most addicts find out the hard way.
The only positive thing I have to say for multiyear medically enabled buprenorphine addiction is that while it's so lonely and isolating, the same thing making it not as horrific is what makes it harder, that damn half life. It'd probably be easier if you could chip at dire moments once a few days when it gets bad but let's not kid ourselves nobody is stopping there and it won't help anything. I almost feel like coming off bupe sporadic Kratom use may help but I have no clue the binding affinities and clearance is so long it may take two weeks before you can even consider it anyway at which point you're starting more to treat PAWS than the WDS. What I'm getting at here is you're less likely to notice and be as directly and brutally impacted in your buprenorphine addiction than heroin or smoking because like I knew I had to pack and plan ahead of time for layovers and shit to get that nicotine in on anything that took over three hours. T addiction is the same, only more brutal. H I imagine feels this way. But what spooks me I'm hearing reports of people feeling the comedown in 12 hours which doesn't makes sense, it's 36 hour/HL how is something with such a long half life hitting withdrawals in under a day?
Tapering off this stupid med feels so impossible for me:/ my dose has been so sporadic lately… I just want off!
I’ve been on it for about 3 years none stop. I’m really tired of depending on this substance for me to get through my days and be able to function. Enough is enough I’m ready to quit. I have tried kratom to substitute it but it’s worst I’m going cold turkey now
Did you quite cold turkey? I tryed going cold turkey as well and lasted two days.
@@sking5681 same
What kind of medication will help me when I'm in jail. What kind should I take to jail with me
I don't know if you can take kratom but it's helps so much. But don't trade one for the other. Be ready to quit! And only use low dose at 1 to 2 grams for only a week max. Good luck!
@@cappy5634 No not kratom. I am now on subs since kratom made me go insane a nearly lost my job. I actually lost it anyway cus I couldn't work like this anymore. Being on kratom is a full time job. Same for subs but they last longer.
It’s way too strong in my opinion…there is no reason to make it that strong cuz honestly it’s the worse opioid to come off! I feel there is something flawed about this compound! I’ve been on 1.5 mg for a year and it’s impossible to come down having to go to work and take care of kids I feel I will be on that shit forever! And how to we know how much is really absorbed under the tongue?! The withdrawls are nothing compared to oxy’s! Way worse! Why is it the worse to come off when it’s suppose to be the best opioid to take for dépendance makes no f**** sense! I feel like shit most of the time I often get sick in the morning too! It should not stay and stick that long on the receptors!! They need to change the recipe!!
Totally Agree! My experience (MANY years) is that Dr's. prescribed far too large a dose - 4 mg/day covers 70-80% of the brain's receptors and they start people on 16mg and more! For the vast majority of the years I was on SUB I took 2mg/day. It IS possble to taper but you must get your mind straight first - you must make your decision; I'm gonna reclaim my life and I'm IN LOVE with the idea of being off SUB and all opiates. It must become almost all you think about, you are obsessed with the idea of being off. It's the last thing you think about every night (this is key - your brain will process these thoughts as you sleep, overcoming the negative "programs" that run your subconcious during waking hours). Happy to provide my step-by-step for jumping with no withdrawals. Again, I have done it four times.
I’m on day 20 and felt like a 7 on pain scale for first week only 3-4 hours sleep per nite and I stil feel abit weak but I’m sure this won’t go on past a month,so you mite wana get some time off,also when your on lower doses your rite some gets swallowed and therefore leaves you feeling crappy more often 😆
I got off only by god
Ask Him to help me get off of it too please.
IBeen using Suboxin for like over 10 years
It's hell, isn't it. It's poison!
U are to high I want to come to you but it's to high
you must be too high pal , you make absolutely no sense.
The thing I’m terrified about is at age 51 what if I have a medical emergency like a heart attack. Can’t breathe, a broken arm or hip, …. ER doctors say your screwed. No pain medication is going to work. I
How come on oxycodone I could work 56 hours a week now on Suboxone I don’t want to work at all. This stuff is garbage. I would rather be dead then go one more month on this crap. I’m going back to Oxycodone at the end of this month. Buprenorphine is a horrible drug. I cry all the time have anxiety up the ass. Ready to fly off the handle. Drs should be saying to other Drs…”we have a serious problem. They aren’t falling for our scam.
yeah good luck, bc once you get prescribed the subs you are red flagged in the system no doctor will ever give you an opiate again so youll need to be in the streets buying oxys like a addict ..thats what you wanna go thru instead at your age? wow unbelievable time to grow up